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(BBC)   The White Rose of Stalingrad: Lidiya Litvyak was the young fighter pilot with the bouquet of wildflowers in her cockpit who shot down a dozen of the Luftwaffe's best pilots to become the highest scoring woman air ace of all time, OF ALL TIME   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 85
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2013-02-09 03:33:23 PM
 
2013-02-09 04:53:34 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Nachthexe!


Ah man, those old World War II dos programs were the best.
 
2013-02-09 06:16:30 PM
She was born in Moscow in 1921, on August 18, the day which, on her 12th birthday, became "Soviet Aviation Day." She later joked with her friends that they picked that date because it was her birthday.

Did they kill her for joking about the motives of Soviet Peoples' Deputies?
 
2013-02-09 06:25:12 PM
In September 1942

Not to diminish this brave woman's accomplishments, but weren't most of the best German pilots dead by 1942?
 
2013-02-09 06:40:22 PM

fusillade762: Not to diminish this brave woman's accomplishments, but weren't most of the best German pilots dead by 1942?


No. Eric Hartman (352 victories), Gunther Rall, Adolph Galland, lots of experten still around at that point. Their heaviest loses were from mid '43 onward.

And she was flying in the time when there was the greatest disparity between the performance of the Soviet aircraft and the German aircraft,  mostly MiG-1s and 3s and LAGG-3s and Yak-1s going against FW-190As and 109Fs and um...probably early Gs. Can't remember when the G-2 came out. Actually the Yak-9 which was at least a reasonable aircraft came out some time in late '42, maybe she got to fly that.

Always good to see an MIA found and properly put to rest with her comrades.
 
2013-02-09 06:50:19 PM

vossiewulf: fusillade762: Not to diminish this brave woman's accomplishments, but weren't most of the best German pilots dead by 1942?

No. Eric Hartman (352 victories), Gunther Rall, Adolph Galland, lots of experten still around at that point. Their heaviest loses were from mid '43 onward.

And she was flying in the time when there was the greatest disparity between the performance of the Soviet aircraft and the German aircraft,  mostly MiG-1s and 3s and LAGG-3s and Yak-1s going against FW-190As and 109Fs and um...probably early Gs. Can't remember when the G-2 came out. Actually the Yak-9 which was at least a reasonable aircraft came out some time in late '42, maybe she got to fly that.

Always good to see an MIA found and properly put to rest with her comrades.


Ah. I stand corrected. Thanks.
 
2013-02-09 06:56:40 PM
Did they identify her remains by the big brass balls?  RIP Hero of Western Civilization.
 
2013-02-09 06:58:44 PM
The character based on her was one of the few good factors of an otherwise mediocre show.
 
2013-02-09 06:58:55 PM
Great accomplishment. You were able to shoot down some planes from a country of 50 million which was overstretched, fighting on multiple fronts, vastly outnumbered by the enemy. But at least the Soviets were facing the bulk of the Werchmant unlike the Allies on Western Front that act like it was a great accomplishment defeating the Germans in France and the low countries.
 
2013-02-09 07:00:01 PM
But women aren't good in front line combat, am I right Republican bigots?
 
2013-02-09 07:00:54 PM
She's kind of like the Russian Helen Keller
 
2013-02-09 07:03:25 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: But women aren't good in front line combat, am I right Republican bigots?


Well, what if she couldn't find a fresh bouquet for her cockpit?*  She would probably have had a crying fit and demoralized all the other women and distracted the menfolk and such as and whatnot.

*giggity
 
2013-02-09 07:03:38 PM

Hector Remarkable: She's kind of like the Russian Helen Keller


More like the Russian Hanna Reitsch.
 
2013-02-09 07:04:07 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: But women aren't good in front line combat, am I right Republican bigots?


It's hilarious to see right-wingers who think that Israel can do no wrong blasting the decision to allow women into combat.
 
2013-02-09 07:04:51 PM

Cathedralmaster: Hector Remarkable: She's kind of like the Russian Helen Keller

More like the Russian Hanna Reitsch.


I was confused, I meant Anne Frank.
 
2013-02-09 07:06:29 PM

vossiewulf: fusillade762: Not to diminish this brave woman's accomplishments, but weren't most of the best German pilots dead by 1942?

No. Eric Hartman (352 victories), Gunther Rall, Adolph Galland, lots of experten still around at that point. Their heaviest loses were from mid '43 onward.

And she was flying in the time when there was the greatest disparity between the performance of the Soviet aircraft and the German aircraft,  mostly MiG-1s and 3s and LAGG-3s and Yak-1s going against FW-190As and 109Fs and um...probably early Gs. Can't remember when the G-2 came out. Actually the Yak-9 which was at least a reasonable aircraft came out some time in late '42, maybe she got to fly that.

Always good to see an MIA found and properly put to rest with her comrades.


She only flew Yak-1's.

/all I got
 
2013-02-09 07:07:38 PM
White Rose
White Mouse
White Death
White Rabbit
White Rose again

Who knew White was such a problem for the Nazis.

/White Mammoths
 
2013-02-09 07:13:05 PM

A Shambling Mound: She only flew Yak-1's.


A dozen victories flying Yak-1s against JG-52 and the like, yikes. She had to have been very good to simply stay alive that long, much less score victories.
 
2013-02-09 07:13:59 PM
What a woman!!! Imagine the sammiches she could have made for her man!!
 
2013-02-09 07:15:35 PM
I'd go with the Yellow Rose of Texas any day.
 
2013-02-09 07:16:26 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: White Rose
White Mouse
White Death
White Rabbit
White Rose again

Who knew White was such a problem for the Nazis.

/White Mammoths


and the White Knight.

/who's talking backwards
 
2013-02-09 07:17:00 PM

Hector Remarkable: Cathedralmaster: Hector Remarkable: She's kind of like the Russian Helen Keller

More like the Russian Hanna Reitsch.

I was confused, I meant Anne Frank.


How farking ignorant ARE you people?  She was the Russian Susan B. Anthony.
 
2013-02-09 07:19:10 PM
Bet she couldn't paralell park.
 
2013-02-09 07:20:04 PM
Bet I can't spell or preview....dammit.
 
2013-02-09 07:22:01 PM

Warthog: Hector Remarkable: Cathedralmaster: Hector Remarkable: She's kind of like the Russian Helen Keller

More like the Russian Hanna Reitsch.

I was confused, I meant Anne Frank.

How farking ignorant ARE you people?  She was the Russian Susan B. Anthony.


You mean the Russian Mother Theresa.
 
2013-02-09 07:23:34 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: White Rose
White Mouse
White Death
White Rabbit
White Rose again

Who knew White was such a problem for the Nazis.

/White Mammoths


Man Moths?
 
2013-02-09 07:25:17 PM
dericwater: Warthog: Hector Remarkable: Cathedralmaster: Hector Remarkable: She's kind of like the Russian Helen Keller

More like the Russian Hanna Reitsch.

I was confused, I meant Anne Frank.

How farking ignorant ARE you people?  She was the Russian Susan B. Anthony.

You mean the Russian Mother Theresa.


I think y'all mean she was the Russina Clara Barton.
 
2013-02-09 07:25:58 PM
Badassery knows no gender barriers.
 
2013-02-09 07:26:00 PM

wjllope: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: White Rose
White Mouse
White Death
White Rabbit
White Rose again

Who knew White was such a problem for the Nazis.

/White Mammoths

and the White Knight.

/who's talking backwards


She must've remembered to feed her head.
 
2013-02-09 07:27:18 PM
Oh Lidiya, oh Lidiya, say, have you met Lidiya?
Lidiya, The Flying Lady.
She has eyes that folks adore so,
and a torso even more so.
Oh Lidiya, oh Lidiya, say, have you met Lidiya?
Lidiya, The Nazi Killing Lady.
 
2013-02-09 07:27:41 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: White Rose
White Mouse
White Death
White Rabbit
White Rose again

Who knew White was such a problem for the Nazis.

/White Mammoths


I thought White Death fought the Soviets?
 
2013-02-09 07:28:23 PM

GranoblasticMan: She must've remembered to feed her head.


What the dormouse says should never be forgotten.
 
2013-02-09 07:29:46 PM

jake_lex: DarkSoulNoHope: But women aren't good in front line combat, am I right Republican bigots?

It's hilarious to see right-wingers who think that Israel can do no wrong blasting the decision to allow women into combat.


Right Wingers: "We love Israel and everything it does to protect itself and the holy land!" - Sensible people: "Alright then lets have women soldiers in combat roles just like Israel does." - Right Wingers: "Hold on, we didn't say anything about putting sammach makers into combat. We only support Israel and everything it does to protect itself and the holy land!" - Sensible People: *sigh*
 
2013-02-09 07:31:01 PM

Pichu0102: The character based on her was one of the few good factors of an otherwise mediocre show.


Okay, now I have to know...
 
2013-02-09 07:31:09 PM
She was the Russian Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya.
 
2013-02-09 07:33:47 PM
"That's a man , baby!"


"Austin, it really is not the 70's anymore"    Read in Elizabeth Hurley's voice.........mmmmmmm   drool.....
 
2013-02-09 07:36:35 PM

you are a puppet: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: White Rose
White Mouse
White Death
White Rabbit
White Rose again

Who knew White was such a problem for the Nazis.

/White Mammoths

I thought White Death fought the Soviets?


D'oh! How'd that get in there.
 
2013-02-09 07:37:59 PM
Bouquet of wildflowers in her cockpit ?

No Summers Eve?
 
2013-02-09 07:39:16 PM

DoomPaul: Great accomplishment. You were able to shoot down some planes from a country of 50 million which was overstretched, fighting on multiple fronts, vastly outnumbered by the enemy. But at least the Soviets were facing the bulk of the Werchmant unlike the Allies on Western Front that act like it was a great accomplishment defeating the Germans in France and the low countries.


it was quite an accompishment, the disparity in equipment and training are the major reasons why the following list is topped by about 120 german pilots (and 1 finn) with more kills than the "red baron" who earned the vast majority of their kills against the russians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_flying_aces

To overcome such great disadvantages and put on a great showing takes a lot of skill.
 
2013-02-09 07:40:42 PM
From TFA: "Through the coming months, Lilya entered combat dozens of times. She experienced having her plywood fighter plane being hammered by explosive shells the size of a young woman's forearm."
th03.deviantart.net
 
2013-02-09 07:46:29 PM
Dead at 22. She had far more courage than I think I'd ever be able to muster. Those Nazis really sucked.
 
2013-02-09 07:47:46 PM

ultraholland: dericwater: Warthog: Hector Remarkable: Cathedralmaster: Hector Remarkable: She's kind of like the Russian Helen Keller

More like the Russian Hanna Reitsch.

I was confused, I meant Anne Frank.

How farking ignorant ARE you people?  She was the Russian Susan B. Anthony.

You mean the Russian Mother Theresa.

I think y'all mean she was the Russina Clara Barton.


Actually she was Russian Madonna:
1. She loved guns.
2. She hated Nazis,
3. The white lily flower may be translated from Russian as Madonna lily
 
2013-02-09 07:50:30 PM

Farty McPooPants: From TFA: "Through the coming months, Lilya entered combat dozens of times. She experienced having her plywood fighter plane being hammered by explosive shells the size of a young woman's forearm."
[th03.deviantart.net image 267x200]


What ever that rule is, seems to apply here.
 
2013-02-09 07:53:00 PM
 
2013-02-09 07:54:36 PM

ultraholland: dericwater: Warthog: Hector Remarkable: Cathedralmaster: Hector Remarkable: She's kind of like the Russian Helen Keller

More like the Russian Hanna Reitsch.

I was confused, I meant Anne Frank.

How farking ignorant ARE you people?  She was the Russian Susan B. Anthony.

You mean the Russian Mother Theresa.

I think y'all mean she was the Russina Clara Barton.


You mean the Russian Laura Secord.
 
2013-02-09 07:55:37 PM

Prey4reign: Did they identify her remains by the big brass balls ovaries?  RIP Hero of Western Civilization.


Let's be fair.
 
2013-02-09 07:59:31 PM
But was she in the Mile High club?
 
2013-02-09 07:59:35 PM

DoomPaul: Great accomplishment. You were able to shoot down some planes from a country of 50 million which was overstretched, fighting on multiple fronts, vastly outnumbered by the enemy. But at least the Soviets were facing the bulk of the Werchmant unlike the Allies on Western Front that act like it was a great accomplishment defeating the Germans in France and the low countries.


1/11, but just because I wouldn't want you to lose hope and stop tryi n g.
 
2013-02-09 07:59:35 PM

jake_lex: DarkSoulNoHope: But women aren't good in front line combat, am I right Republican bigots?

It's hilarious to see right-wingers who think that Israel can do no wrong blasting the decision to allow women into combat.


Can you imagine some of those guys actually thrown thrown into combat themselves? ( especially thebloviating talk-radio hosts)

/ picturing Glenn Beck crying in Initial Entry Training right now...
 
2013-02-09 08:02:21 PM
yeah yeah, once you've shot em down they become "the enemies best pilots"

/i keed, i keed
 
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