Lsherm: FloydA: Dead for Tax Reasons:it seems like he just went there to point and laugh at how wrong the people there were, not to actually think or see the other side.Yep.Two people see something that they don't completely understand. The atheist will usually say "I don't know," and if s/he is motivated to do so, will go on to try to find an explanation. The theist will usually say "must be God" and cease all further speculation, because s/he has already come to an answer that satisfies him/her.I find this stereotypical summation, typical of liberal bigotry, amusingly ironic.Please, you two, tell us more about how "those people" think. Make sure to fluff yourselves up as the enlightened class at the same time. Extra bonus points for ridiculous generalizations and/or complete ignorance baout the people you are criticizing.
thamike: Atheist Church? What, like Brazzers?
Peter von Nostrand: Atheists, please quit trolling the fundies
Weaver95: Atheists have church? um...doesn't that kind of defeat the point of being an atheist?
muck4doo: Aar1012: Atheists have camps?Ask Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao about those.
maxheck: [i47.tinypic.com image 640x1188]just sayin'
thamike: Everything about organized atheism defeats the purpose of being an atheist.
Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Allow people their own relationship with God as they perceive him without insisting they profess belief in the supernatural. Otherwise your Special Magic Club is doomed.
StrangeQ: Popular Opinion: while i am not religious, i have a growing dislike for the anti-religious.i am battered daily by protestations from the FSM worshippers proclaiming the absolute disconnection between church and charity, and yet for 17 years now, I have yet to meet an atheist group at the local community center feeding the poor.i could understand if i only worked at a few, or only at faith based centers...atheist is another word for selfish and don't give a f*ck about anyone else. jmo.and i don't even believe in "god".http://www.squidoo.com/Atheist-CharitiesMan, that google search sure was hard.Go on with your superiority complex holding self, though.
clowncar on fire: gimmegimme: clowncar on fire: gimmegimme: BumpInTheNight: ciberido: ajgeek: "Atheist Church" is an oxymoron. Also stupid, but I repeat myself.So your objection is to the word "church"? If it was called "an atheist weekly social club" it would be fine?Or do you think it's stupid for a group of like-minded atheists to get together on a regular basis to listen to music and lectures?I gotta admit I find it more then a little strange that this group of people who are actively trying to reject the notion of religion are using a name universally recognized as reserved for houses of christian worship and applying it to their weekly club house. This sort of radical anti-religion is mildly funny to me, like I'm sure I'd feel differently if I had to deal with the zealously religious on a more regular basis but to me the idea of identifying myself as 'not that' in reference to something I reject as opposed to identifying something I actually am is just strange. Its counter productive and at the end of the day your self identification is reliant on the thing you reject existing...this guaranteeing it can never be fully erased lest you become void of purpose yourself.TL;DR? Militant atheists are just as bad as militant fundamentalists, they're just bad in different ways.1) What is a "militant atheist"? A person who not only believes but must make sure anyone who believes otherwise better change their ways2) How is the above "just as bad"? Re-read all posts in this thread. Take the time to keep count of those who defend the fundies and the nature of their responses versus those who oppose the fundies. Come to your own conclusions.How, exactly, does a "militant atheist" "make sure anyone who believes otherwise better change their ways" and why/how is this method unacceptable?The "method " is the usual: browbeat, troll, bully, etc. In the framework of the cyber community, I would say the bravery of being out of range would be considered acceptable.I, for example, am an atheist in regards to the existance of the Easter Bunny. My disbelief in The Bunny is the end game. In your venacular- whatever. Why would I even bother to even debate about its existance as I know it not to exist? As a true theist, with no doubt in my heart, I w ould not even see the oint of trying to expend my efforts to debunk that which is not debunkable.A true theist would not see the need to engage in such discourse as to whether God exists or not, but rather be comfortable in the belief in non-existance.Militant theists are an entirely different bird. There appears to be an internal need, not unlike that of a bully, to defend a core belief to which the holder may himself have doubts. In the case of theism, a need to express the non-existance of a diety and receive confirmation thereof.
ciberido: "If scientific analysis were conclusively to demonstrate certain claims in Buddhism to be false, then we must accept the findings of science and abandon those claims."― Dalai Lama XIV, The Universe in a Single Atom: The Convergence of Science and Spirituality
ennuie: thamike: Weaver95: Atheists have church? um...doesn't that kind of defeat the point of being an atheist?Everything about organized atheism defeats the purpose of being an atheist. Now I have to go around with some sort of absurd hyphenated clarification because of these bozos.I recommend "nontheist" or "anti organized religion" -- "heathen" if you're feeling playful.
BumpInTheNight: Jesus you're a sensitive lot ;) Yes I think its weird that a particular group of atheists decided to call their club house a church, yes I think its counter productive to decide you need to write down 'atheist' in the slot for 'religion' on your life score card rather then just leave it blank. I think seeking out echo chambers of 'anti-religion' is just a silly notion, its a sign of insecurity to need to cluster over something you claim doesn't need to exist. Now, these are my opinions and this is a discussion about the topic, beyond this discussion I really don't bring this topic up and that's why I'm not a militant or let's called it 'recruiting' atheist, I'm just someone who at the moment is bored but in general has no time to waste on bullshiat like religions or agonize that some people actually take them seriously.
Somacandra: Modern Western Atheism has no content--its a concept entirely founded on negating a complete strawman of a Protestant concept of religion.
Somacandra: FloydA: Two people see something that they don't completely understand. The atheist will usually say "I don't know," and if s/he is motivated to do so, will go on to try to find an explanation. The theist will usually say "must be God" and cease all further speculation=="As in the other sciences, astronomers in the Muslim lands built upon and greatly expanded earlier traditions. At the House of Knowledge founded in Baghdad by the Abbasid caliph Mamun, scientists translated many texts from Sanskrit, Pahlavi or Old Persian, Greek and Syriac into Arabic, notably the great Sanskrit astronomical tables and Ptolemy's astronomical treatise, the Almagest. Muslim astronomers accepted the geometrical structure of the universe expounded by Ptolemy, in which the earth rests motionless near the center of a series of eight spheres, which encompass it, but then faced the problem of reconciling the theoretical model with Aristotelian physics and physical realities derived from observation. Some of the most impressive efforts to modify Ptolemaic theory were made at the observatory founded by Nasir al-Din Tusi in 1257 at Maragha in northwestern Iran and continued by his successors at Tabriz and Damascus. With the assistance of Chinese colleagues, Muslim astronomers worked out planetary models that depended solely on combinations of uniform circular motions. The astronomical tables compiled at Maragha served as a model for later Muslim astronomical efforts. The most famous imitator was the observatory founded in 1420 by the Timurid prince Ulughbeg at Samarkand in Central Asia, where the astronomer Ghiyath al-Din Jamshid al-Kashi worked out his own set of astronomical tables, with sections on diverse computations and eras, the knowledge of time, the course of the stars, and the position of the fixed stars. Essentially Ptolemaic, these tables have improved parameters and structure as well as additional material on the Chinese Uighur-calendar. They were widely admired and translated e ...
noitsnot: Smgth: I think ...As a secular Jew, I understand .../Article writer was a self righteous prig.//So ALL people were CREATED to worship Jesus. Must've been confusing for all those people who lived before him..Being a jew must be complicated - there are political, religious, ethnic, and cultural facets. It's hard for a gentile to keep it all straight.
thamike: IlGreven: Peter von Nostrand: This shiat is getting old. Fundies, please stop trying to force your religion on everyone. Atheists, please quit trolling the fundiesYeah!Ahmadinejad, quit gassing your own people and developing nukes to lob at Israel.UN, quit writing strongly-worded letters to Ahmadinejad.What?
Somacandra: Wow. If only your incredibly stupid generalization had any relevance to the actual history of science,
Farking Canuck: If some atheists keep organizing like this I am going to have to get some identifier to make it clear that I am not affiliated.Maybe "Chaos Atheist" - I like that.
nerftaig: Well, this was the most condescending article I've read in a long time. I feel like theists, atheists, and even deists can agree that the author is a sanctimonious coont.
Spanky_McFarksalot: for a not religion they sure do act like one
Princess Ryans Knickers: Dear God,What created you and what are you made out of? Also, who created whoever created you?
hubiestubert: . In this, I think that Somacandra is right to make the distinction. It isn't what you believe, but rather what you do with what you believe.
heap: muck4doo:Organized non-stamp collectors?if philatelist groups were advocating mandatory and tax payer funded stamp activities, why wouldn't it make sense for those who weren't into stamps to have a voice in the conversation?
muck4doo: Because anti-absurdville tends to go in their own absurdville directions as well. Remember when that cross got stolen off the cemetery on some obscure California mountain?
FloydA: Two people see something that they don't completely understand. The atheist will usually say "I don't know," and if s/he is motivated to do so, will go on to try to find an explanation. The theist will usually say "must be God" and cease all further speculation
Aar1012: Atheists have camps?
xanadian: thamike: Atheist Church? What, like Brazzers?I once went to a UU church that had a smattering of everything: "recovering" Catholics, agnostics, atheists, etc...I think a Buddhist even showed up once. It seems to be mostly about fellowship than worshiping a cloudy sky wizard.YMMV. That place may have been an anomaly. *shrug* I know the *local* UU church where I live has a freakin' Pride flag out front. Yes. In The County (tm). I'm surprised the place hasn't been burned down. For extra fun goodness, they're right across the street from some screaming fundies. These fundies are moving, though. They're building a megachurch up the street on top of the hill.://csb
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alwaysjaded: That article was total farking bullshiat. Where were the baby bbq's? The gay orgies? The ritualistic virgin sacrifices to Hitchens? And he wasn't even forced to shoot heroin in his eyeballs once? That must have been some weenie junior camp.The atheist camp I went to, we were raping bald eagles and smoking the mary-juana before the hell wagon left the slaughterhouse! Kids these days....tsk, tsk.....
FloydA: Dead for Tax Reasons:it seems like he just went there to point and laugh at how wrong the people there were, not to actually think or see the other side.Yep.Two people see something that they don't completely understand. The atheist will usually say "I don't know," and if s/he is motivated to do so, will go on to try to find an explanation. The theist will usually say "must be God" and cease all further speculation, because s/he has already come to an answer that satisfies him/her.
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