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2013-02-09 07:49:57 PM  

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Better yet WHY would your Jesus return?
Given your society's / sect's previous attitude *sheesh*
 
2013-02-09 07:53:19 PM  

Robert Farker: It seems like you are being purposely cryptic. Why post if you are afraid to be clear in your actual opinion?


It must have been trained by the likes of SteveB and IDW when it comes to making a clear point.

An interesting snake oil pitch situation, a staple tactic to the loud religious "debaters", and indeed, anyone wanting to appear wise but with no real talent for it.
 
2013-02-09 07:55:10 PM  

maxheck: clowncar on fire:

Smgth: omeganuepsilon: Smgth: I agree with you, in principle. But I think the problem is that atheists, like religionists, like most of humanity, feels the need to belong to something bigger then itself to feel a sense if community, and that they aren't alone.


So you are saying there is nothing we can garnish from the bible or religion that no longer benefits today's society?  Does the bible/koran offer no comfort to its readers, no self evident law to which all members of society should not subscribe to- you know: don't steal shiat, obscess with others, respect authority, and recognise order through some rule of law?  No comfort in the belief that things may get better in the afterlife or possible governance over personal belief when defining right and wrong.

I would not even attempt to defend the bible in regards of science other than to say that it may offer simple explanation where simplicity over complexity may be needed.
 
2013-02-09 07:55:43 PM  
I visited an Athiest camp once.
I can't believe what I saw there.
 
2013-02-09 07:55:59 PM  
I thought an Atheist church was called a bar (or pub on the other side of the Atlantic)
 
2013-02-09 07:56:28 PM  

ciberido: So your objection is to the word "church"? If it was called "an atheist weekly social club" it would be fine?


Absolutely. The very definition of church in virtually EVERY dictionary is "A building used for public Christian worship." If it were a book club, meeting, hobby club or whatever I'd be fine, but "Atheist" and "Church" are mutually exclusive words.
 
2013-02-09 08:00:48 PM  

EngineerBob: I visited an Athiest camp once.
I can't believe what I saw there.


Want some whiskey in your water
Sugar in your tea
What's all these crazy questions they askin' me
This is the craziest party there could ever be
Don't turn on the lights, 'cause I don't want to see

Mama told me not to come
Mama told me not to come
That ain't the way to have fun, no

Open up the window
Let some air into this room
I think I'm almost chokin'
From the smell of stale perfume

And that cigarette you're smoking
'Bout scared me half to death
Open up the window, sucker
Let me catch my breath

[Refrain]
Mama told me not to come
Mama told me not to come
She said, that ain't the way to have fun, son
That ain't the way to have fun, son

The radio is blastin'
Someone's knocking at the door
I'm lookin' at my girlfriend
She's passed out on the floor

I seen so many things
I ain't never seen before
Don't know what it is
I don't wanna see no more

[Refrain]

Mama told me, mama told me, mama told me
Told me, told me
That ain't no way to have fun, whoah, yeah yeah
Mama told me not to come
Mama, mama, mama told me
That ain't no way to have fun

That ain't the way to have fun, no
That ain't the way to have fun, son
That ain't the way to have fun, no
That ain't the way to have fun, son  ~Three Dog Night
 
2013-02-09 08:05:01 PM  
Oh, FOR FARK SAKE, YOU ASSHOLE! You are at SOMEONE ELSE'S SERVICE! SHUT THE FARK UP ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS AND STOP ASSUMING THEY 'NEED' YOURS!

Goddamn, is there just something about being the dominant religion in a country that makes you completely farking forget basic good manners?
 
2013-02-09 08:05:41 PM  

clowncar on fire: maxheck: clowncar on fire:

Smgth: omeganuepsilon: Smgth: I agree with you, in principle. But I think the problem is that atheists, like religionists, like most of humanity, feels the need to belong to something bigger then itself to feel a sense if community, and that they aren't alone.

So you are saying there is nothing we can garnish from the bible or religion that no longer benefits today's society?  Does the bible/koran offer no comfort to its readers, no self evident law to which all members of society should not subscribe to- you know: don't steal shiat, obscess with others, respect authority, and recognise order through some rule of law?  No comfort in the belief that things may get better in the afterlife or possible governance over personal belief when defining right and wrong.

I would not even attempt to defend the bible in regards of science other than to say that it may offer simple explanation where simplicity over complexity may be needed.


How do you derive that from what I said?! I said people like to feel a sense of belonging. The end. This group of atheists wasn't getting it from the world around them, they don't believe in god, so they sought out a surrogate. How does that mean I don't think religious people should enjoy going to church?! If you want worship god, knock yourself out, no skin off my nose.

You're making a lot of large, unwarranted, assumptions about my position.
 
2013-02-09 08:08:00 PM  

PsiChick: Oh, FOR FARK SAKE, YOU ASSHOLE! You are at SOMEONE ELSE'S SERVICE! SHUT THE FARK UP ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS AND STOP ASSUMING THEY 'NEED' YOURS!

Goddamn, is there just something about being the dominant religion in a country that makes you completely farking forget basic good manners?


Nah, minority religions have NO problem being self-righteous smug assholes.

LOTS of people think they've the ONLY answer, and look down at the rest as deluded fools.

/The majority just have more room for smug.
 
2013-02-09 08:17:10 PM  

PsiChick: Oh, FOR FARK SAKE, YOU ASSHOLE! You are at SOMEONE ELSE'S SERVICE! SHUT THE FARK UP ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS AND STOP ASSUMING THEY 'NEED' YOURS!

Goddamn, is there just something about being the dominant religion in a country that makes you completely farking forget basic good manners?



lh3.googleusercontent.com
Because that's what they figure everyone needs...
 
2013-02-09 08:19:20 PM  

clowncar on fire: gimmegimme: clowncar on fire: gimmegimme: BumpInTheNight: ciberido: ajgeek: "Atheist Church" is an oxymoron. Also stupid, but I repeat myself.

So your objection is to the word "church"?  If it was called "an atheist weekly social club" it would be fine?

Or do you think it's stupid for a group of like-minded atheists to get together on a regular basis to listen to music and lectures?

I gotta admit I find it more then a little strange that this group of people who are actively trying to reject the notion of religion are using a name universally recognized as reserved for houses of christian worship and applying it to their weekly club house.  This sort of radical anti-religion is mildly funny to me, like I'm sure I'd feel differently if I had to deal with the zealously religious on a more regular basis but to me the idea of identifying myself as 'not that' in reference to something I reject as opposed to identifying something I actually am is just strange.  Its counter productive and at the end of  the day your self identification is reliant on the thing you reject existing...this guaranteeing it can never be fully erased lest you become void of purpose yourself.

TL;DR?  Militant atheists are just as bad as militant fundamentalists, they're just bad in different ways.

1) What is a "militant atheist"? A person who not only believes but must make sure anyone who believes otherwise better change their ways

2) How is the above "just as bad"?  Re-read all posts in this thread. Take the time to keep count of those who defend the fundies and the nature of their responses versus those who oppose the fundies.  Come to your own conclusions.

How, exactly, does a "militant atheist" "make sure anyone who believes otherwise better change their ways" and why/how is this method unacceptable?

The  "method " is the usual: browbeat, troll, bully, etc.  In the framework of the cyber community, I would say the bravery of being out of range would be considered acceptable.

I, for example, am an atheist in regards to the existance of the Easter Bunny.  My disbelief in The Bunny is the end game.  In your venacular- whatever.  Why would I even bother to even debate about its existance as I know it not to exist?  As a true theist, with no doubt in my heart, I w ould not even see the oint of trying to expend my efforts to debunk that which is not debunkable.

A true theist would not see the need to engage in such discourse as to whether God exists or not, but rather be comfortable in the belief in non-existance.

Militant theists are an entirely different bird.  There appears to be an internal need, not unlike that of a bully, to defend a core belief to which the holder may himself have doubts.  In the case of theism, a need to express the non-existance of a diety and receive confirmation thereof.


If, as a theist, the worst thing that can happen to you for your religious position is to get trolled on Fark, you're getting off light. As an atheist in Arkansas, I can be disqualified from serving on a jury or to hold state public office. Once you start getting discriminated against for being a Christian and having your actual civil rights revoked, you call me up.
 
2013-02-09 08:23:21 PM  

Somacandra: thamike: Everything about organized atheism defeats the purpose of being an atheist.

Being an "atheist" has no purpose by definition. Modern Western Atheism has no content--its a concept entirely founded on negating a complete strawman of a Protestant concept of religion. If instead you're going to talk about Humanism or an actual ethos of some kind, then social and ethical organizations have long been part of this tradition in Europe and the United States. Atheism does not mean non-religious: many Buddhists and Jains are 'atheists' but are nonetheless quite religious people.


My lack of belief in god is entirely focused on negating a strawman?

Please elaborate.
 
2013-02-09 08:23:26 PM  
while i am not religious, i have a growing dislike for the anti-religious.
i am battered daily by protestations from the FSM worshippers proclaiming the absolute disconnection between church and charity, and yet for 17 years now, I have yet to meet an atheist group at the local community center feeding the poor.
i could understand if i only worked at a few, or only at faith based centers...

atheist is another word for selfish and don't give a f*ck about anyone else. jmo.

and i don't even believe in "god".
 
2013-02-09 08:29:57 PM  
Well, he almost made a good point about our instinctual need for community, until he got all smug about his religion.

Our need for community and social bonds stems from biology, not religion. It's too bad the author can't understand this, and wastes energy feeling pity for people who are probably happier than he is.
 
2013-02-09 08:31:15 PM  
Popular Opinion:

while i am not religious, i have a growing dislike for the anti-religious.
i am battered daily by protestations from the FSM worshippers proclaiming the absolute disconnection between church and charity, and yet for 17 years now, I have yet to meet an atheist group at the local community center feeding the poor.
i could understand if i only worked at a few, or only at faith based centers...

atheist is another word for selfish and don't give a f*ck about anyone else. jmo.

and i don't even believe in "god".


So you'd agree that say, legislation based on faith is ok, and *not* getting in someone's face?

There may have been an example or two of that lately, just saying. I can in fact name a class of people who don't seem to give a fark about anyone else. It's not the one you're thinking of.
 
2013-02-09 08:33:11 PM  

Popular Opinion: while i am not religious, i have a growing dislike for the anti-religious.
i am battered daily by protestations from the FSM worshippers proclaiming the absolute disconnection between church and charity, and yet for 17 years now, I have yet to meet an atheist group at the local community center feeding the poor.
i could understand if i only worked at a few, or only at faith based centers...

atheist is another word for selfish and don't give a f*ck about anyone else. jmo.

and i don't even believe in "god".


You're certainly welcome to view the world as if your experiences are the only way the world functions. But just because you haven't seen at your community center doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_secularist_organizations

But please, continue to paint all atheists with the same brush.
 
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2013-02-09 08:38:59 PM  
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/just saying
 
2013-02-09 08:41:44 PM  
Smgth:

Popular Opinion: while i am not religious, i have a growing dislike for the anti-religious.
i am battered daily by protestations from the FSM worshippers proclaiming the absolute disconnection between church and charity, and yet for 17 years now, I have yet to meet an atheist group at the local community center feeding the poor.
i could understand if i only worked at a few, or only at faith based centers...

atheist is another word for selfish and don't give a f*ck about anyone else. jmo.

and i don't even believe in "god".

You're certainly welcome to view the world as if your experiences are the only way the world functions. But just because you haven't seen at your community center doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_secularist_organizations

But please, continue to paint all atheists with the same brush.


I have a sneaking suspicion that he's full of crap and flat-out lying trying to make a point, but that's just an opinion, man.
 
2013-02-09 08:44:50 PM  

Popular Opinion: while i am not religious, i have a growing dislike for the anti-religious.
i am battered daily by protestations from the FSM worshippers proclaiming the absolute disconnection between church and charity, and yet for 17 years now, I have yet to meet an atheist group at the local community center feeding the poor.
i could understand if i only worked at a few, or only at faith based centers...

atheist is another word for selfish and don't give a f*ck about anyone else. jmo.

and i don't even believe in "god".


http://www.squidoo.com/Atheist-Charities

Man, that google search sure was hard.

Go on with your superiority complex holding self, though.
 
2013-02-09 08:46:56 PM  

Marcintosh: phrawgh: [www.deeptruths.com image 420x300]
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Better yet WHY would your Jesus return?
Given your society's / sect's previous attitude *sheesh*


I'm not Jewish.
 
2013-02-09 08:48:00 PM  

GAT_00: Aar1012: Atheists have camps?

Only ones we put Christians in.  Uhh...I mean, they're re-education camps.  No, wait, I'm not supposed to say that either.  Uhh...knowledge camps!  That's it.


"Did I say Death camps? I meant 'Happy Camps'!"
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2013-02-09 08:48:24 PM  

maxheck: Smgth:

Popular Opinion: while i am not religious, i have a growing dislike for the anti-religious.
i am battered daily by protestations from the FSM worshippers proclaiming the absolute disconnection between church and charity, and yet for 17 years now, I have yet to meet an atheist group at the local community center feeding the poor.
i could understand if i only worked at a few, or only at faith based centers...

atheist is another word for selfish and don't give a f*ck about anyone else. jmo.

and i don't even believe in "god".

You're certainly welcome to view the world as if your experiences are the only way the world functions. But just because you haven't seen at your community center doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_secularist_organizations

But please, continue to paint all atheists with the same brush.

I have a sneaking suspicion that he's full of crap and flat-out lying trying to make a point, but that's just an opinion, man.


LOL, well that just like your opinion man...

I was going to be nice and give them the benefit of the doubt and just assume they lived in some Podunk town no atheist would be caught dead in. Because any atheist there would be killed.

Or maybe atheists don't need to make a big show of their charity because they believe it will get them into heaven?

/Is it ACTUALLY charity if you're doing it for a reward?
//As long as the poor get fed, I don't really care, I just find it interesting.
 
2013-02-09 08:49:19 PM  

Rindred: If, as a theist, the worst thing that can happen to you for your religious position is to get trolled on Fark, you're getting off light. As an atheist in Arkansas, I can be disqualified from serving on a jury or to hold state public office. Once you start getting discriminated against for being a Christian and having your actual civil rights revoked, you call me up.


This.  Exactly what I was talking about above.

If such a persecution/discrimination story does make the news, it puts the Atheists in the light of the troll.  Polk Under prayer being a great example, most who have heard about it only know it was a group of atheists "unblessing" a highway.

The real story, is that PUP prayed for anyone to does not follow jesus get deported or barred from town(hence the "deblessing"), had people(atheists) arrested from a school board meeting even though they were not disruptive(AND it had not started yet), relocated public school equipment to the church, on the cities dollar, and arrested a mean old atheist with a force of police in SWAT like get-ups under charges of "FRAUD" for tacking "Esquire" onto her name.(while inquiring about the funds to the school equipment).  etc etc

The formerly great thing about this country, is the whole freedom of speech thing.  Doesn't work so well when a conglomeration of people in power decide to assert their religious preferences in such bold ways.

If we have to allow Westboro Baptists to protest in their inane fashion, we should certainly allow some Atheists to protest the distinct and obvious mingling of church and state.
 
2013-02-09 08:50:24 PM  
Belief in a higher power is one of the deepest, most fundamental traits of being a human being. I would put it up there with upright walking, opposible thumbs, and intelligence. So much of what humans are in our very nature is religious. It has been that way since the very first cave paintings and will remain that way when we are watching two nebulae pass through each other from our starships one day. Athiests are denying themselves a major part of what it is to be human. Athiesm really is a loss and should not be responded to with anger.
 
2013-02-09 08:52:43 PM  

StrangeQ: Popular Opinion: while i am not religious, i have a growing dislike for the anti-religious.
i am battered daily by protestations from the FSM worshippers proclaiming the absolute disconnection between church and charity, and yet for 17 years now, I have yet to meet an atheist group at the local community center feeding the poor.
i could understand if i only worked at a few, or only at faith based centers...

atheist is another word for selfish and don't give a f*ck about anyone else. jmo.

and i don't even believe in "god".

http://www.squidoo.com/Atheist-Charities

Man, that google search sure was hard.

Go on with your superiority complex holding self, though.


He believes if he doesn't see it, it's not happening. So because there are no atheist organizations there when he is (which must be ALL DAY EVERY DAY), there are none.

/No Chinese people in my house, must mean there are no Chinese people.
 
2013-02-09 08:52:57 PM  

amquelbettamin: Belief in a higher power is one of the deepest, most fundamental traits of being a human being. I would put it up there with upright walking, opposible thumbs, and intelligence. So much of what humans are in our very nature is religious. It has been that way since the very first cave paintings and will remain that way when we are watching two nebulae pass through each other from our starships one day. Athiests are denying themselves a major part of what it is to be human. Athiesm really is a loss and should not be responded to with anger.



Citation and specificity needed.
 
2013-02-09 08:54:54 PM  

amquelbettamin: So much of what humans are in our very nature is religious. It has been that way since the very first cave paintings and will remain that way when we are watching two nebulae pass through each other from our starships one day. Athiests are denying themselves a major part of what it is to be human. Athiesm really is a loss and should not be responded to with anger.


It's not a lifestyle choice, you know. Either you have faith or you don't. I can't "choose" it anymore than I can choose my gender.
 
2013-02-09 08:55:03 PM  

omeganuepsilon: amquelbettamin: Belief in a higher power is one of the deepest, most fundamental traits of being a human being. I would put it up there with upright walking, opposible thumbs, and intelligence. So much of what humans are in our very nature is religious. It has been that way since the very first cave paintings and will remain that way when we are watching two nebulae pass through each other from our starships one day. Athiests are denying themselves a major part of what it is to be human. Athiesm really is a loss and should not be responded to with anger.


Citation and specificity needed.


I'm not your Google bot.
 
2013-02-09 08:55:32 PM  

clowncar on fire: I would not even attempt to defend the bible in regards of science other than to say that it may offer simple explanation where simplicity over complexity may be needed.


Simple is fine. But "we don't know therefore god did it" is simple-minded. And that is not fine.
 
2013-02-09 08:56:18 PM  

amquelbettamin: Belief in a higher power is one of the deepest, most fundamental traits of being a human being. I would put it up there with upright walking, opposible thumbs, and intelligence. So much of what humans are in our very nature is religious. It has been that way since the very first cave paintings and will remain that way when we are watching two nebulae pass through each other from our starships one day. Athiests are denying themselves a major part of what it is to be human. Athiesm really is a loss and should not be responded to with anger.


You can believe in a greater good without attaching a higher power.
 
2013-02-09 09:01:02 PM  

amquelbettamin: Belief in a higher power is one of the deepest, most fundamental traits of being a human being. I would put it up there with upright walking, opposible thumbs, and intelligence. So much of what humans are in our very nature is religious. It has been that way since the very first cave paintings and will remain that way when we are watching two nebulae pass through each other from our starships one day. Athiests are denying themselves a major part of what it is to be human. Athiesm really is a loss and should not be responded to with anger.


Yes. Atheists CHOOSE to not have faith. Very good argument.

Like all those poor gays choosing to be gay and suffer all that discrimination needlessly. War is part of mans nature too, should we embrace that? Human sacrifice was the main part of many religions for a long time, should that be brought back because it was endemic to humanity? Humans naturally hate and fear things different from them, should we regret the decline of racism?

There are a LOT of negative traits left over from our evolution, the belief in sky people who make thunder isn't any more special then any other traits holding us back.

/Being human aint so great, I wouldn't be bragging about it.
//We're pretty flawed. But some of us are smart enough not to cling to those flaws as if they were our defining features.
 
2013-02-09 09:01:18 PM  

BumpInTheNight: amquelbettamin: Belief in a higher power is one of the deepest, most fundamental traits of being a human being. I would put it up there with upright walking, opposible thumbs, and intelligence. So much of what humans are in our very nature is religious. It has been that way since the very first cave paintings and will remain that way when we are watching two nebulae pass through each other from our starships one day. Athiests are denying themselves a major part of what it is to be human. Athiesm really is a loss and should not be responded to with anger.

You can believe in a greater good without attaching a higher power.


A greater good is a higher power.
 
2013-02-09 09:02:50 PM  

amquelbettamin: omeganuepsilon: amquelbettamin: Belief in a higher power is one of the deepest, most fundamental traits of being a human being. I would put it up there with upright walking, opposible thumbs, and intelligence. So much of what humans are in our very nature is religious. It has been that way since the very first cave paintings and will remain that way when we are watching two nebulae pass through each other from our starships one day. Athiests are denying themselves a major part of what it is to be human. Athiesm really is a loss and should not be responded to with anger.


Citation and specificity needed.

I'm not your Google bot.


Nor intelligent.
 
2013-02-09 09:09:05 PM  

amquelbettamin: Belief in a higher power is one of the deepest, most fundamental traits of being a human being.


A human being that has fallen victim to a snake-oil salesman or been indoctrinated as a child. Those of us who can see through the religious snake-oil salesmen do not have this "trait" that you claim exists.

amquelbettamin:  I would put it up there with upright walking, opposible thumbs, and intelligence.


You would rank it that high likely because of the aforementioned indoctrination that leads you feel that belief without evidence is a positive trait.

amquelbettamin: So much of what humans are in our very nature is religious. It has been that way since the very first cave paintings and will remain that way when we are watching two nebulae pass through each other from our starships one day.


Only to people who are prone to see everything through a religious filter ... like the deluded author of this article. The rest of us can appreciate the universe for what it is without the need to attach magic to it.

amquelbettamin: Athiests are denying themselves a major part of what it is to be human. Athiesm really is a loss and should not be responded to with anger.


Theist, are the ones that refuse to see reality. By dismissing everything as magic and as a pale reflection of what they will get in heaven they are dismissing reality. They hide behind their fantasy believing the next life is the important one. Sad.

P.S. Spell-check is your friend ... apparently god doesn't help with that either.
 
2013-02-09 09:09:52 PM  

Smgth: amquelbettamin: Belief in a higher power is one of the deepest, most fundamental traits of being a human being. I would put it up there with upright walking, opposible thumbs, and intelligence. So much of what humans are in our very nature is religious. It has been that way since the very first cave paintings and will remain that way when we are watching two nebulae pass through each other from our starships one day. Athiests are denying themselves a major part of what it is to be human. Athiesm really is a loss and should not be responded to with anger.

Yes. Atheists CHOOSE to not have faith. Very good argument.

Like all those poor gays choosing to be gay and suffer all that discrimination needlessly. War is part of mans nature too, should we embrace that? Human sacrifice was the main part of many religions for a long time, should that be brought back because it was endemic to humanity? Humans naturally hate and fear things different from them, should we regret the decline of racism?

There are a LOT of negative traits left over from our evolution, the belief in sky people who make thunder isn't any more special then any other traits holding us back.

/Being human aint so great, I wouldn't be bragging about it.
//We're pretty flawed. But some of us are smart enough not to cling to those flaws as if they were our defining features.


The evolution of humans away from evil and towards good is in fact what we are seeing with humanity. With time it appears humans are getting less like animals and more like the gods they wish to be and worship. I think humanity will continue to progress away from those atrocities you mention, but will retain their spirituality in the same way we have moved away from multiple wives, but retained our sexuality.
 
2013-02-09 09:11:12 PM  
Societal norms =/= evolution
 
2013-02-09 09:19:19 PM  

amquelbettamin: The evolution of humans away from evil and towards good is in fact what we are seeing


You, uh, don't read the news much do you?  People are still killing each other and being terrible to each other all across the board.
 
2013-02-09 09:19:30 PM  

Farking Canuck: amquelbettamin: Belief in a higher power is one of the deepest, most fundamental traits of being a human being.

A human being that has fallen victim to a snake-oil salesman or been indoctrinated as a child. Those of us who can see through the religious snake-oil salesmen do not have this "trait" that you claim exists.

amquelbettamin:  I would put it up there with upright walking, opposible thumbs, and intelligence.

You would rank it that high likely because of the aforementioned indoctrination that leads you feel that belief without evidence is a positive trait.

amquelbettamin: So much of what humans are in our very nature is religious. It has been that way since the very first cave paintings and will remain that way when we are watching two nebulae pass through each other from our starships one day.

Only to people who are prone to see everything through a religious filter ... like the deluded author of this article. The rest of us can appreciate the universe for what it is without the need to attach magic to it.

amquelbettamin: Athiests are denying themselves a major part of what it is to be human. Athiesm really is a loss and should not be responded to with anger.

Theist, are the ones that refuse to see reality. By dismissing everything as magic and as a pale reflection of what they will get in heaven they are dismissing reality. They hide behind their fantasy believing the next life is the important one. Sad.

P.S. Spell-check is your friend ... apparently god doesn't help with that either.


I don't have the time to go point for point with you.

I strongly feel God inside me and all around people I meet. I also see and feel evil or the opposite of God at times. I guess it really comes down to that.

I also wonder how so much order can come about in the universe. I am taught disorder should come with time or at least an equal and opposite disorder should come with each order. I don't really see that; I see good and order coming with time through humans.
 
2013-02-09 09:20:00 PM  

amquelbettamin: Smgth: amquelbettamin: Belief in a higher power is one of the deepest, most fundamental traits of being a human being. I would put it up there with upright walking, opposible thumbs, and intelligence. So much of what humans are in our very nature is religious. It has been that way since the very first cave paintings and will remain that way when we are watching two nebulae pass through each other from our starships one day. Athiests are denying themselves a major part of what it is to be human. Athiesm really is a loss and should not be responded to with anger.

Yes. Atheists CHOOSE to not have faith. Very good argument.

Like all those poor gays choosing to be gay and suffer all that discrimination needlessly. War is part of mans nature too, should we embrace that? Human sacrifice was the main part of many religions for a long time, should that be brought back because it was endemic to humanity? Humans naturally hate and fear things different from them, should we regret the decline of racism?

There are a LOT of negative traits left over from our evolution, the belief in sky people who make thunder isn't any more special then any other traits holding us back.

/Being human aint so great, I wouldn't be bragging about it.
//We're pretty flawed. But some of us are smart enough not to cling to those flaws as if they were our defining features.

The evolution of humans away from evil and towards good is in fact what we are seeing with humanity. With time it appears humans are getting less like animals and more like the gods they wish to be and worship. I think humanity will continue to progress away from those atrocities you mention, but will retain their spirituality in the same way we have moved away from multiple wives, but retained our sexuality.


Evolution and morality are not in concert. You hold to morality thousands of years old. So you're unevolved? Which, by your argument, makes you more evil. We've shown NO signs that we're evolving past atrocity. We just use bombs for human sacrifice now.

And not everyone has moved beyond multiple wives. Some still believe it to be moral. And you've no right to say your morality is more moral then theirs. So you're saying Muslims are less evolved and less moral then you are?

And I have NO clue what 'retained our sexuality' means. I'm not touching that landmine.
 
2013-02-09 09:21:40 PM  

amquelbettamin: The evolution of humans away from evil and towards good is in fact what we are seeing with humanity.


[citation needed]

In the western world we have implemented laws that make many acts illegal that were not illegal in the past but this does not make the people that are subject to these laws 'good'. It makes them less able to do 'evil' without punishment.

You talk a lot and you assume a lot but you never provide any evidence to support your statements. Let me guess: Are you religious??
 
2013-02-09 09:23:20 PM  

ciberido: FloydA: Somacandra:

Wow. If only your incredibly stupid

Well that was helpful. Thank you for advancing the conversation in a useful and effective way.

Well, I disagree with you as well, but I won't say that you or your opinions are stupid.


Thank you.

I am quite happy to discuss issues with people who disagree with me.  (Most of my friends and family disagree with me about this issue, and I love them dearly.)

But when people call me "incredibly stupid" for stating what I think, well, I don't know what to say.  They are empirically, measurably, wrong.  I may be a jerk, I may be misguided, and I may even be misinformed, but I've got rather conclusive proof that I am not "stupid."

If the response to my lack of belief is insults, then I have to say that I'm unconvinced.

You and I may believe different things, and that's fine, we can still respect each other and just agree to disagree.  But when someone tells me that I'm "incredibly stupid" because I am not convinced by their stories, well, I have to admit that I get a bit "tetchy."

I don't blame Christians, as a whole, for what  Somacandra said, but I do have to hold him responsible for his words.  He acted in a way that is not only a violation of basic common courtesy, but also in violation of the principles of the religion that I presume he was trying to defend.

Whatever our religious beliefs, or lack thereof, may be, "being a complete dick for no reason" is generally considered "haram" or "not kosher" or whatever the local equivalent.   Somacandra decided that being a dick was the appropriate response to my lack of belief, so... OK,

I like and trust you, and I'm willing to take your advice.  How do you think I should respond to him?
 
2013-02-09 09:23:42 PM  

amquelbettamin: I also wonder how so much order can come about in the universe. I am taught disorder should come with time or at least an equal and opposite disorder should come with each order. I don't really see that; I see good and order coming with time through humans.


Yes humans can harness external energy and locally increase order. This does not in any way violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics. It also does not, in any way, imply that magic is real.
 
2013-02-09 09:29:21 PM  

Farking Canuck: amquelbettamin: I also wonder how so much order can come about in the universe. I am taught disorder should come with time or at least an equal and opposite disorder should come with each order. I don't really see that; I see good and order coming with time through humans.

Yes humans can harness external energy and locally increase order. This does not in any way violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics. It also does not, in any way, imply that magic is real.


I didn't mean in terms of energy, but in terms of morality. We should all be tending toward more disorder and chaos with increasing populations, not more order and peace.
 
2013-02-09 09:30:16 PM  

Smgth: Popular Opinion: while i am not religious, i have a growing dislike for the anti-religious.
i am battered daily by protestations from the FSM worshippers proclaiming the absolute disconnection between church and charity, and yet for 17 years now, I have yet to meet an atheist group at the local community center feeding the poor.
i could understand if i only worked at a few, or only at faith based centers...

atheist is another word for selfish and don't give a f*ck about anyone else. jmo.

and i don't even believe in "god".

You're certainly welcome to view the world as if your experiences are the only way the world functions. But just because you haven't seen at your community center doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_secularist_organizations

But please, continue to paint all atheists with the same brush.


i should have added some disclaimer, to be sure. sorry.
i am not saying that all atheists are not charitable, although perhaps the inference is present when the logic isn't..
there are secular groups for sure. high school groups...but nothing specifically atheist.

am i purposely being provocative (i suppose that is trolling)?
i don't think any provocation to help people less fortunate that yourself is a bad thing.
 
2013-02-09 09:30:44 PM  
Dear Athiesmo,

Please forgive these Christians, for they know not what they do.

Ramen.
 
2013-02-09 09:33:58 PM  

amquelbettamin: I didn't mean in terms of energy, but in terms of morality. We should all be tending toward more disorder and chaos with increasing populations, not more order and peace.


Again ... speculation without support. Walk in the wrong parts of any big city and you will see disorder and chaos. Go to war-torn Africa or the middle east and you will see chaos and disorder.

You look at the world through your god colored glasses and see what you want to see. Denying reality ... as I mentioned above.
 
2013-02-09 09:38:17 PM  

Popular Opinion: Smgth: Popular Opinion: while i am not religious, i have a growing dislike for the anti-religious.
i am battered daily by protestations from the FSM worshippers proclaiming the absolute disconnection between church and charity, and yet for 17 years now, I have yet to meet an atheist group at the local community center feeding the poor.
i could understand if i only worked at a few, or only at faith based centers...

atheist is another word for selfish and don't give a f*ck about anyone else. jmo.

and i don't even believe in "god".

You're certainly welcome to view the world as if your experiences are the only way the world functions. But just because you haven't seen at your community center doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_secularist_organizations

But please, continue to paint all atheists with the same brush.

i should have added some disclaimer, to be sure. sorry.
i am not saying that all atheists are not charitable, although perhaps the inference is present when the logic isn't..
there are secular groups for sure. high school groups...but nothing specifically atheist.

am i purposely being provocative (i suppose that is trolling)?
i don't think any provocation to help people less fortunate that yourself is a bad thing.


Trolling or not you said Athiest meant selfish. Which is an unsupportable statement.

And as has been said repeatedly in this thread, there's no REAL need for atheist organizations. Any more then we need an anti-Easter bunny coalition. Atheists give to charity through secular organizations because their lack of belief doesn't define them.
 
2013-02-09 09:46:18 PM  

Farking Canuck: amquelbettamin: I didn't mean in terms of energy, but in terms of morality. We should all be tending toward more disorder and chaos with increasing populations, not more order and peace.

Again ... speculation without support. Walk in the wrong parts of any big city and you will see disorder and chaos. Go to war-torn Africa or the middle east and you will see chaos and disorder.

You look at the world through your god colored glasses and see what you want to see. Denying reality ... as I mentioned above.


Pinker: The surprising decline in violence
 
2013-02-09 09:53:44 PM  

Smgth: Popular Opinion: Smgth: Popular Opinion: while i am not religious, i have a growing dislike for the anti-religious.
i am battered daily by protestations from the FSM worshippers proclaiming the absolute disconnection between church and charity, and yet for 17 years now, I have yet to meet an atheist group at the local community center feeding the poor.
i could understand if i only worked at a few, or only at faith based centers...

atheist is another word for selfish and don't give a f*ck about anyone else. jmo.

and i don't even believe in "god".

You're certainly welcome to view the world as if your experiences are the only way the world functions. But just because you haven't seen at your community center doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_secularist_organizations

But please, continue to paint all atheists with the same brush.

i should have added some disclaimer, to be sure. sorry.
i am not saying that all atheists are not charitable, although perhaps the inference is present when the logic isn't..
there are secular groups for sure. high school groups...but nothing specifically atheist.

am i purposely being provocative (i suppose that is trolling)?
i don't think any provocation to help people less fortunate that yourself is a bad thing.

Trolling or not you said Athiest meant selfish. Which is an unsupportable statement.

And as has been said repeatedly in this thread, there's no REAL need for atheist organizations. Any more then we need an anti-Easter bunny coalition. Atheists give to charity through secular organizations because their lack of belief doesn't define them.


yeah, i kind of regret that, but my reference was directed at what i consider the militant atheist types (ie worshipers of the FSM). rather than meaning people that don't believe in a "supreme being" (or your definition) i meant those that also blame religion for pretty much everything that's gone wrong since there was such a thing.
 
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