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2013-02-09 05:33:54 PM

ph0rk: maxheck: I will take exception to your idea that the Christ isn't the center of worship... I'm pretty sure there are a few people who hang on his words and put his picture up everywhere. As an outsider, I am pretty sure that the Christ was considered a leader of his flock.

Yup, around here, Jesus is a pretty big farking deal:

[cdn.marshill.com image 720x402]

/I don't really get the donkey image, myself, if that's what it is.


It's a reference to Ezekiel 23:20:

There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.


The word of the Lord.  Amen.
 
2013-02-09 05:35:53 PM

gimmegimme: It's a reference to Ezekiel 23:20:


Aha, classy.

/not telling which party I mean
 
2013-02-09 05:36:13 PM
Atheism is a Religion.
 
2013-02-09 05:36:59 PM

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


Oh good, now it's a party.
 
2013-02-09 05:38:04 PM

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


If you're going to le troll, at least pretend to support your assertion.
 
2013-02-09 05:38:16 PM
letrole:

Atheism is a Religion.

"letrole" is a surname.

/ yes, we've heard it before, dumbass.
 
2013-02-09 05:38:21 PM
Let's see what we've got here.

Smug self assurance?  Check.

Condescension?  Oh yeah.

Subtle dig at the media?  That's a big ten four, good buddy.

You sure this is from England and not somewhere in the gold old US of A?
 
2013-02-09 05:38:48 PM

maxheck: letrole:

Atheism is a Religion.

"letrole" is a surname.

/ yes, we've heard it before, dumbass.


Also a sock puppet.
 
2013-02-09 05:41:13 PM

ph0rk: maxheck: letrole:

Atheism is a Religion.

"letrole" is a surname.

/ yes, we've heard it before, dumbass.

Also a sock puppet.


Ya think?
 
2013-02-09 05:42:19 PM

clowncar on fire: Avast:  Threat detected, URL blocked


I wish I had gotten that warning, because then I wouldn't have read that boring blog post.
 
2013-02-09 05:43:33 PM

Farking Canuck: If some atheists keep organizing like this I am going to have to get some identifier to make it clear that I am not affiliated.

Maybe "Chaos Atheist" - I like that.


I don't know. There's nothing wrong with organizing around a shared characteristic or a shared goal. That's what sci-fi conventions, churches, political rallies, alcoholics anonymous meetings, sporting events, and even web-forums are for (among other things, I know). We are inherently social animals, even if some of us are more introverted than others. We like to congregate in some fashion, for whatever reason. This is just as arbitrary a reason as any other, and many people admit that they go to secular or atheist meetings because they enjoy the atmosphere of community, just as many people who go to church enjoy the community that they foster (again, among the myriad of other reasons for attending).
 
2013-02-09 05:43:56 PM
I thought that was called "Unitarian Universalism".

Sample sermon:  www.uce.ca/wordpress/morality-without-god/
 
2013-02-09 05:45:15 PM

muck4doo: alwaysjaded: That article was total farking bullshiat. Where were the baby bbq's? The gay orgies? The ritualistic virgin sacrifices to Hitchens? And he wasn't even forced to shoot heroin in his eyeballs once? That must have been some weenie junior camp.The atheist camp I went to, we were raping bald eagles and smoking the mary-juana before the hell wagon left the slaughterhouse! Kids these days....tsk, tsk.....

All churches are just like Jesus camp too


Eh, that was just a lite satire of those old "report from the frontlines of evil" type stories that used to float around churches. Like during Marilyn Manson's peak when all those kids were claiming they saw him slaughtering goats while sodomizing audience members and having alter calls for Satanism. Guess I'm not very funny today.

/ or ever
 
2013-02-09 05:45:33 PM

grokca: thamike: Weaver95: Atheists have church?  um...doesn't that kind of defeat the point of being an atheist?

Everything about organized atheism defeats the purpose of being an atheist.  Now I have to go around with some sort of absurd hyphenated clarification because of these bozos.

Free-range-atheist


Ha!  Seriously though  f*ck that noise.  Atheism is a lack of a deity.  That's it.  Anyone who wants to lump in a bunch of stuff?  They should get the hyphens.  One of the things I used to enjoy about being an atheist was not getting asked questions about my belief system.
 
2013-02-09 05:45:57 PM

Peter von Nostrand: This shiat is getting old. Fundies, please stop trying to force your religion on everyone. Atheists, please quit trolling the fundies


Yeah!

Ahmadinejad, quit gassing your own people and developing nukes to lob at Israel.

UN, quit writing strongly-worded letters to Ahmadinejad.
 
2013-02-09 05:46:40 PM
I thought we had gone beyond this.  The denigration of an atheist "church" as if "church" implies faith and such(tatamount to calling atheism a religion in and of itself).  No, it's simply a gathering of people with similar interests.  Rockin' Science Sunday.

Regardless of your personal theory of how it all began, humans are very social creatures, and can fill a need by attending such an organized celebration, as it were.  Just because people ditch the dodgy trappings of religion does not mean they have to sacrifice all that makes society function.  Religion does not own society and therefore atheists are not required to GTFO.(And yes, that is what many of you imply).

As to the article:

Typical christian of an author, denigrate anything remotely informative and any who wish to participate.  Embrace the Ignorance!

Given that, there is no big surprise at people more or less fleeing from any given actual religion and calling themselves atheist(but with no real knowledge of what the word means).  Prevalent attitudes as such are what drive people away more and more, not necessarily so much any sort of formal education as to what atheism is, just the vitriolic and hateful actions of the "faithful".
 
2013-02-09 05:46:45 PM

clowncar on fire: maxheck: [i47.tinypic.com image 640x1188]

just sayin'

Max: your list is farked up nine ways to Sunday.  Christ, oddly enough was never recognized as the leader of christianity,; all the other items are easily refutable or easy enough to find examples of how being atheist is no different other than the one about live now for a future utpian society.  I'll agree there- not a lick of sense when it comes to you kids planning for your future be it financial or spiritual.


Is this a troll?
 
2013-02-09 05:46:52 PM

GAT_00: Aar1012: Atheists have camps?

Only ones we put Christians in.  Uhh...I mean, they're re-education camps.  No, wait, I'm not supposed to say that either.  Uhh...knowledge camps!  That's it.


*Golf clap*
 
2013-02-09 05:50:46 PM
I don't know whether Farkers are trolling, or feeding the trolls. Either way, this thread is hilarious.
 
2013-02-09 05:51:02 PM

maxheck: ph0rk: maxheck: letrole:

Atheism is a Religion.

"letrole" is a surname.

/ yes, we've heard it before, dumbass.

Also a sock puppet.

Ya think?


Well, specifically - he double-post outed himself in mid-summer 2012 or thereabouts.
 
2013-02-09 05:51:53 PM

IlGreven: Peter von Nostrand: This shiat is getting old. Fundies, please stop trying to force your religion on everyone. Atheists, please quit trolling the fundies

Yeah!

Ahmadinejad, quit gassing your own people and developing nukes to lob at Israel.

UN, quit writing strongly-worded letters to Ahmadinejad.


What?
 
2013-02-09 05:52:17 PM

muck4doo: The My Little Pony Killer: /and atheists don't have churches, silly christians

Just camps for re-education.


There are Lodz of places like that.
 
2013-02-09 05:54:23 PM
letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

i259.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-09 05:54:53 PM

Somacandra: Wow. If only your incredibly stupid generalization had any relevance to the actual history of science,


You mean the history of science that was suppressed by the centers of religion when they went against the sacred Word of GodTM? Galileo ring a bell? Library of Alexandria? Charles Darwin? Any time science went against religious status quo, religion has always responded swiftly and brutally to suppress it.
 
2013-02-09 05:56:10 PM
There's no difference between atheists, christians, scientologists, and Nazi child molesters.

While typing the above sentence Firefox spellcheck flagged christians and scientologists for not being capitalized but left atheists alone. I like that.
 
2013-02-09 05:56:15 PM

thamike: IlGreven: Peter von Nostrand: This shiat is getting old. Fundies, please stop trying to force your religion on everyone. Atheists, please quit trolling the fundies

Yeah!

Ahmadinejad, quit gassing your own people and developing nukes to lob at Israel.

UN, quit writing strongly-worded letters to Ahmadinejad.

What?


Do you really not grasp the concept that sometimes fighting is what is needed? Or that when meting out punishement/reprimand, not all things are created equal?
Or are you of the philosophy that "fighting never solved anything"?
 
2013-02-09 05:57:09 PM

ultraholland: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

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Out of curiosity- what happens if step 2 doesn't occur over the next few seconds.  Pro tip: identify your target before pulling the pin on your grenade.  Just sayin'.
 
2013-02-09 05:57:13 PM
People that go to church don't really believe in god.  Church provides a way to connect with your community once a week, and provides recipes for child rearing (yes that's intentional) and dealing with your fellow man in an equitable manner, etc.

So religion and churches do provide valuable services in our civilization.  But there's no god as far as I can tell.
 
2013-02-09 05:57:44 PM

thamike: IlGreven: Peter von Nostrand: This shiat is getting old. Fundies, please stop trying to force your religion on everyone. Atheists, please quit trolling the fundies

Yeah!

Ahmadinejad, quit gassing your own people and developing nukes to lob at Israel.

UN, quit writing strongly-worded letters to Ahmadinejad.

What?


Okay, how about...

Southern whites, please quit lynching blacks and allow them to live as free men.

Martin Luther King, please stop assembling large masses to sue for your right to live.

My point is, taking a "centrist" role in any issue where one side has a distinct advantage is as bad as taking the side with the distinct advantage.
 
2013-02-09 05:58:50 PM

clowncar on fire: Avast:  Threat detected, URL blocked


Arrrrrr! Thar be Christians!

/Arrr.
 
2013-02-09 05:59:19 PM
I think the point that the whole 'atheists don't church' argues are missing is that these people, who happen to be atheists, miss the sort of community and fellowship they had as children before they learned to think for themselves and leave the church. It's sad our culture is so divorced from its roots of small tight knit communities that people have become so disaffected they can't find that anywhere but at a place designated for something they don't believe in.

As a secular Jew, I understand these people. I'm an atheist, but I enjoy being with people I share a commonality with. I just don't want to do any pointless worshipping.

/Article writer was a self righteous prig.
//So ALL people were CREATED to worship Jesus. Must've been confusing for all those people who lived before him..
 
2013-02-09 06:00:19 PM
Oxymorn or, diametrically opposed statement. YOU MAKE THE CALL
 
2013-02-09 06:01:12 PM

FloydA: thamike: Atheist Church?  What, like Brazzers?

[i105.photobucket.com image 500x375]
What an atheist church might look like.


Ah the 5pt. Great place!
 
2013-02-09 06:01:17 PM
Let edit TFA down a bit:

The Sunday Assembly, as the group is called, meets once a month at The Nave in North London for
"anybody searching for a sense of community, to meet and 'turn good intentions into action.'"
It is, all things considered, an atheistic church.
Yes. A church for atheists.


[..]

They are missing the point entirely.
Church isn't about music, it isn't about making people feel happy, and it isn't about instilling wonder.
Church isn't even about getting together in community to get your felt needs met.
Church is about Jesus.


Maybe there's a reason that the thing you attended wasn't called church?
Like, "all things considered", it not being a church after all?

Or to put it differently:
"Hah! My assumption was wrong. That means they failed!"
 
2013-02-09 06:01:24 PM

xanadian: FTFA: After his introduction, we sang a Queen song as the service moved along.

"Who Wants to Live Forever"?

/there can be only one


Bohemian Rhapsody: "Beelzebub has a devil put aside for meeee...."
 
2013-02-09 06:01:38 PM

omeganuepsilon: thamike: IlGreven: Peter von Nostrand: This shiat is getting old. Fundies, please stop trying to force your religion on everyone. Atheists, please quit trolling the fundies

Yeah!

Ahmadinejad, quit gassing your own people and developing nukes to lob at Israel.

UN, quit writing strongly-worded letters to Ahmadinejad.

What?

Do you really not grasp the concept that sometimes fighting is what is needed? Or that when meting out punishement/reprimand, not all things are created equal?
Or are you of the philosophy that "fighting never solved anything"?


Iran and Israel differences need be resolved, even if it is through conflict.

Fundies and atheists are not a conflict that needs resolution and trolling and not an acceptable method for reparation any how.  Trolling is about moving goal posts about, actual conflict/compremise is about finding a solution.
 
2013-02-09 06:03:01 PM
This thread hasn't been nearly as derpy as I was expecting.
 
2013-02-09 06:03:07 PM
Ooh - I forgot - churches also handled all the gay and insane people, back when nobody acknowledged that gay or insane existed.

So just imagine Ghastly in robes and a pointy hat.
 
2013-02-09 06:05:46 PM

clowncar on fire: omeganuepsilon: thamike: IlGreven: Peter von Nostrand: This shiat is getting old. Fundies, please stop trying to force your religion on everyone. Atheists, please quit trolling the fundies

Yeah!

Ahmadinejad, quit gassing your own people and developing nukes to lob at Israel.

UN, quit writing strongly-worded letters to Ahmadinejad.

What?

Do you really not grasp the concept that sometimes fighting is what is needed? Or that when meting out punishement/reprimand, not all things are created equal?
Or are you of the philosophy that "fighting never solved anything"?

Iran and Israel differences need be resolved, even if it is through conflict.

Fundies and atheists are not a conflict that needs resolution. Trolling is not an acceptable method for reparation anyhow.  Trolling is about moving goal posts about, actual conflict/compromise is about finding a solution.

 
2013-02-09 06:06:28 PM
clowncar on fire: Out of curiosity- what happens if step 2 doesn't occur over the next few seconds. Pro tip: identify your target before pulling the pin on your grenade. Just sayin'.

Just don't let the spoon go flying away and you're fine.
 
2013-02-09 06:06:47 PM

noitsnot: Ooh - I forgot - churches also handled all the gay and insane people, back when nobody acknowledged that gay or insane existed.

So just imagine Ghastly in robes and a pointy hat.


Are you a wizard?!  He usually starts our chats that way.
 
2013-02-09 06:07:14 PM

Smgth: I think ...

As a secular Jew, I understand ...

/Article writer was a self righteous prig.
//So ALL people were CREATED to worship Jesus. Must've been confusing for all those people who lived before him..


Being a jew must be complicated - there are political, religious, ethnic, and cultural facets.  It's hard for a gentile to keep it all straight.
 
2013-02-09 06:09:42 PM

clowncar on fire: Fundies and atheists are not a conflict that needs resolution


What sheltered world do you live in?

Fundies attempt to pass, or grasp to, laws that are in place only because of religion.(gay marriage, women's rights, etc)
Fundies can and do abuse power, as per the Polk Under Prayer group.
Workplaces that will fire people who are gay/women, etc, do so more or less at the instruction of religion.

You don't see any of that as a problem, or are you just ignorant as to those things happening with an alarming regularity?
 
2013-02-09 06:11:53 PM

BumpInTheNight: noitsnot: Ooh - I forgot - churches also handled all the gay and insane people, back when nobody acknowledged that gay or insane existed.

So just imagine Ghastly in robes and a pointy hat.

Are you a wizard?!  He usually starts our chats that way.


I love me some Ghastly.  (From afar....)
 
2013-02-09 06:13:46 PM
omeganuepsilon: clowncar on fire: Fundies and atheists are not a conflict that needs resolution

What sheltered world do you live in?

Fundies attempt to pass, or grasp to, laws that are in place only because of religion.(gay marriage, women's rights, etc)
Fundies can and do abuse power, as per the Polk Under Prayer group.
Workplaces that will fire people who are gay/women, etc, do so more or less at the instruction of religion.

You don't see any of that as a problem, or are you just ignorant as to those things happening with an alarming regularity?


to put it more succinctly: Medieval modes of thought have no place in the 21st century.
 
2013-02-09 06:13:48 PM

noitsnot: Smgth: I think ...

As a secular Jew, I understand ...

/Article writer was a self righteous prig.
//So ALL people were CREATED to worship Jesus. Must've been confusing for all those people who lived before him..

Being a jew must be complicated - there are political, religious, ethnic, and cultural facets.  It's hard for a gentile to keep it all straight.


Too right! The majority of Jews at least have God to fall back on when the whole thing makes no sense. Seculars are left adrift.

And most Jews don't know how to feel about Israel. I mean I'M not from there. BUT it's full of Jews. Now. BUT it wasn't always. And everything they do is hardly 'Jew-centric', as it were, so it's not like there's an obligation to agree with everything they do. BUT some feel that way.

/It's a quagmire to be sure.
//Most people don't really think about it. Good for you!
 
2013-02-09 06:16:37 PM

Lsherm: FloydA: Dead for Tax Reasons:

it seems like he just went there to point and laugh at how wrong the people there were, not to actually think or see the other side.

Yep.

Two people see something that they don't completely understand.  The atheist will usually say "I don't know," and if s/he is motivated to do so, will go on to try to find an explanation.  The theist will usually say "must be God" and cease all further speculation, because s/he has already come to an answer that satisfies him/her.

I find this stereotypical summation, typical of liberal bigotry, amusingly ironic.


Didn't read the article, did you?

Please, you two, tell us more about how "those people" think.  Make sure to fluff yourselves up as the enlightened class at the same time.  Extra bonus points for ridiculous generalizations and/or complete ignorance baout the people you are criticizing.

I'll just quote a few paragraphs of the article, thanks:

My only complaint about Cliff's talk was that he never discussed the obvious question of how the most improbable condition was probable in the first place. What made the asymmetry, well, asymmetrical? He essentially sidestepped the chicken-or-the-egg issue with the Big Bang.

Perhaps it's because there needed to be an intelligence behind the asymmetry of matter and anti-matter in order to bring about the creation of the universe in the most explosive display of light in the universe's entire existence.

The answer is clear - God caused the conditions for the asymmetry. Furthermore, an ancient culture of divinly-inspired Jews nailed it on describing the event. If you're not looking at this data from a theistic perspective, the obvious will always evade you.

 
2013-02-09 06:18:09 PM

iron de havilland: Lsherm: FloydA: Dead for Tax Reasons:

it seems like he just went there to point and laugh at how wrong the people there were, not to actually think or see the other side.

Yep.

Two people see something that they don't completely understand.  The atheist will usually say "I don't know," and if s/he is motivated to do so, will go on to try to find an explanation.  The theist will usually say "must be God" and cease all further speculation, because s/he has already come to an answer that satisfies him/her.

I find this stereotypical summation, typical of liberal bigotry, amusingly ironic.

Didn't read the article, did you?

Please, you two, tell us more about how "those people" think.  Make sure to fluff yourselves up as the enlightened class at the same time.  Extra bonus points for ridiculous generalizations and/or complete ignorance baout the people you are criticizing.

I'll just quote a few paragraphs of the article, thanks:

My only complaint about Cliff's talk was that he never discussed the obvious question of how the most improbable condition was probable in the first place. What made the asymmetry, well, asymmetrical? He essentially sidestepped the chicken-or-the-egg issue with the Big Bang.

Perhaps it's because there needed to be an intelligence behind the asymmetry of matter and anti-matter in order to bring about the creation of the universe in the most explosive display of light in the universe's entire existence.

The answer is clear - God caused the conditions for the asymmetry. Furthermore, an ancient culture of divinly-inspired Jews nailed it on describing the event. If you're not looking at this data from a theistic perspective, the obvious will always evade you.


"God Did It."

Okay, got it.  When are we sending this writer a Nobel Prize in Physics?
 
2013-02-09 06:19:24 PM

ajgeek: "Atheist Church" is an oxymoron. Also stupid, but I repeat myself.


So your objection is to the word "church"?  If it was called "an atheist weekly social club" it would be fine?

Or do you think it's stupid for a group of like-minded atheists to get together on a regular basis to listen to music and lectures?
 
2013-02-09 06:21:41 PM
Jones kicked the service off by warmly welcoming everyone and offering an amusing story of how he had learned that it was actually fellow atheists, not Christians as he had expected, who vocally disapproved of The Sunday Assembly.

This I did not expect.  Friendly fire?
 
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