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(SanDiegoUnionTribune)   Next Saturday, a massive bronze statue depicting the iconic "sailor a kissing a woman in Times Square at the end of World War" picture will be unveiled in San Diego   (utsandiego.com) divider line 189
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2013-02-09 01:47:23 PM
Trenton Makes, The World Takes.
 
2013-02-09 01:48:07 PM
umm. didnt we find out before that those two people didnt know each other and he sort of forced himself on her?

like. we're making a shrine to the glorification of sexual assault?
 
2013-02-09 01:48:11 PM
...and you just know if that was tried in this day and age the poor guy would be charged with sexual assault...by someone other then the nurse who got offended.
 
2013-02-09 01:49:06 PM
^^ Oh hey, look at that :)
 
2013-02-09 01:51:14 PM

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: umm. didnt we find out before that those two people didnt know each other and he sort of forced himself on her?

like. we're making a shrine to the glorification of sexual assault?


img145.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-09 01:51:24 PM

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: umm. didnt we find out before that those two people didnt know each other and he sort of forced himself on her?

like. we're making a shrine to the glorification of sexual assault?


http://cratesandribbons.com/2012/09/30/the-kissing-sailor-or-the-sel ec tive-blindness-of-rape-culture-vj-day-times-square/

Yes
 
2013-02-09 01:51:52 PM
Yeah that poor guy,not being able to get away with sexual assault.
 
2013-02-09 01:52:16 PM
In San Diego? WTF?

Why not in Olathe, KS? That would make as much sense.

It should be in NYC.
 
2013-02-09 01:52:41 PM
Does Times Square get a giant bronze statue of 'Shamu biting her trainer' in exchange?
 
2013-02-09 01:53:51 PM

wambu: In San Diego? WTF?

Why not in Olathe, KS? That would make as much sense.

It should be in NYC.


And they should leave the statue laying on its side and a boner, er bonus, if you will.
 
2013-02-09 01:54:19 PM
I cant believe the feminazis are trying to turn an iconic American image into some sort of sexual assualt thing. They ought to be ashamed of themselves.
 
2013-02-09 01:54:54 PM

BumpInTheNight: ...and you just know if that was tried in this day and age the poor guy would be charged with sexual assault...by someone other then the nurse who got offended.


The Sad tag should have been used, Subby must have known the twisting was coming
 
2013-02-09 01:55:05 PM
So any poster here would be fine with being grabbed in the street, bent in half and having a stranger's tongue jammed down their throat? Was it different because she was a woman? Because of the era? How can people justify this?
 
2013-02-09 01:56:26 PM

Goiter: So any poster here would be fine with being grabbed in the street, bent in half and having a stranger's tongue jammed down their throat? Was it different because she was a woman? Because of the era? How can people justify this?


Hm. Kind of hot.

Is it too early to start drinking?
 
2013-02-09 01:56:47 PM
Lighten up, toots
 
2013-02-09 01:57:59 PM
www.rawstory.com
 
2013-02-09 01:58:36 PM
downloads.thedaily.com

/HOT!
 
2013-02-09 01:58:53 PM

wambu: In San Diego? WTF?


I would guess because this: "Naval Base San Diego is the principal homeport of the Pacific Fleet, consisting of 50 Navy ships, two Coast Guard cutters, six Military Sealift Command logistical support platforms, several research and auxiliary vessels, and the Navy's most advanced 21st century fleet platform known as the Littoral Combat Ship (LCS). Naval Base San Diego is home to over 180 individual commands, each having specific and specialized fleet support purposes. The base itself is comprised of over 2,000 land acres and 326 acres of water, Naval Base San Diego also includes outlying entities like Commander, Navy Region Southwest headquarters located downtown San Diego and the Naval Medical Center in Balboa Park."


Source: Naval Base San Diego
 
2013-02-09 01:59:12 PM
Well the problem is, that nobody knows for sure who it was in the photo.    Nobody has conclusively determined and there have been lawsuits over the issue.   I suspect there were lots of people kissing each other in the euphoria of the VJ announcement.
 
2013-02-09 02:00:10 PM
This has actually been in Sarasota for years. . . mostly because of all the damn old people who actually remember the war, i think.  Some Blue-hair actually crashed her Mercedes into it a couple of years back:  http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20120426/BREAKING/120429651
 
2013-02-09 02:00:48 PM
 the Valley Center History Museum is offering a sneak peak of the little statuette named Oscar

"Peek", goddammit, "PEEK".
 
2013-02-09 02:01:00 PM
Here is an interview with the two people in the picture. You might want to watch this before getting your knickers in a twist.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-33816_162-57491471/sailor-nurse-from-ico ni c-vj-day-photo-reunited/
 
2013-02-09 02:01:26 PM

Goiter: So any poster here would be fine with being grabbed in the street, bent in half and having a stranger's tongue jammed down their throat? Was it different because she was a woman? Because of the era? How can people justify this?


People tend to get excited at celebrations, especially those that celebrating the end of a brutal war with returnees from that war.  Was the sailor in the wrong?  Yes.  Can modern society really understand the emotions of people in Times Square on VE day?  No.
 
2013-02-09 02:03:38 PM

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: umm. didnt we find out before that those two people didnt know each other and he sort of forced himself on her?

like. we're making a shrine to the glorification of sexual assault?


San Diego is known for its conservative politics, the Rapepublican party is very strong there.
 
2013-02-09 02:04:56 PM
The same people who facepalm at anyone who admits to the truth (that nurse was GRABBED and FORCED into that kiss) are the ones who justify this picture with the excuse that "Aww come on!!!!!! he's a hero who just fought for AMURICA, the least that nurse can do as an innocent passing-by female is to let him exert physical force over her body/sexually molest her!!"

Disgusting.
 
2013-02-09 02:07:12 PM
I came in here just to see how lefties would find a way to blow an ovary about it.

Leaving kinda amused, but not surprised.
 
2013-02-09 02:08:52 PM

Summoner101: Goiter: So any poster here would be fine with being grabbed in the street, bent in half and having a stranger's tongue jammed down their throat? Was it different because she was a woman? Because of the era? How can people justify this?

People tend to get excited at celebrations, especially those that celebrating the end of a brutal war with returnees from that war.  Was the sailor in the wrong?  Yes.  Can modern society really understand the emotions of people in Times Square on VE day?  No.

 Can modern society really understand the emotions of people in Times Square on VE day?  No.


Woah, holy shart, thank you for proving my point.
 
2013-02-09 02:09:19 PM
Simmer down. Like is not an adverb

/yes, I forgot the apostrophe
 
2013-02-09 02:12:33 PM

wambu: In San Diego? WTF?



What is there in Olathe, KS? Because San Diego is the home of the Pacific Fleet, was the home of Top Gun for many years, is the home of the SEAL training program, and was one of the most important strategic points during WW2.

I mean, this may not have happened in San Diego, however San Diego did play a major role in WW2. And apparently NY doesn't want this statue there. FYI, it's kind of a silly looking statue. I've seen it in person. They should strip off the paint and weather treat it to stay bronze.
 
2013-02-09 02:12:46 PM

mmnessa: Summoner101: Goiter: So any poster here would be fine with being grabbed in the street, bent in half and having a stranger's tongue jammed down their throat? Was it different because she was a woman? Because of the era? How can people justify this?

People tend to get excited at celebrations, especially those that celebrating the end of a brutal war with returnees from that war.  Was the sailor in the wrong?  Yes.  Can modern society really understand the emotions of people in Times Square on VE day?  No.

 Can modern society really understand the emotions of people in Times Square on VE day?  No.

Woah, holy shart, thank you for proving my point.


Well aren't you precious.  Did you see the sentence before that where I said the sailor was in the wrong?
 
2013-02-09 02:13:49 PM

Red Shirt Blues: Here is an interview with the two people in the picture. You might want to watch this before getting your knickers in a twist.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-33816_162-57491471/sailor-nurse-from-ico ni c-vj-day-photo-reunited/



Then, there are always the Debbie Downers (jezebel.com) even though the two people in the above linked vid don't seem phased.
 
2013-02-09 02:15:28 PM
That kiss is worse than if Hitler had landed on Manhattan.
 
2013-02-09 02:16:35 PM

natmar_76: wambu: In San Diego? WTF?


What is there in Olathe, KS? Because San Diego is the home of the Pacific Fleet, was the home of Top Gun for many years, is the home of the SEAL training program, and was one of the most important strategic points during WW2.

I mean, this may not have happened in San Diego, however San Diego did play a major role in WW2. And apparently NY doesn't want this statue there. FYI, it's kind of a silly looking statue. I've seen it in person. They should strip off the paint and weather treat it to stay bronze.


Is that where they teach them to balance the beach ball on their nose?
 
2013-02-09 02:17:38 PM
homelessdude:

Then, there are always the Debbie Downers (jezebel.com) even though the two people in the above linked vid don't seem phased.

Hitler was still charging his lasers at the time.
 
2013-02-09 02:18:16 PM

CruiserTwelve: wambu: In San Diego? WTF?

I would guess because this: "Naval Base San Diego is the principal homeport of the Pacific Fleet, etc."


Source: Naval Base San Diego


If having an association with the Navy is all it takes, then Olathe qualifies as well.
 
2013-02-09 02:19:44 PM

Prey4reign: wambu: In San Diego? WTF?

Why not in Olathe, KS? That would make as much sense.

It should be in NYC.

And they should leave the statue laying on its side and a boner, er bonus, if you will.


Damn. Statue people have too much time and money on their hands.
 
2013-02-09 02:20:10 PM

homelessdude: Red Shirt Blues: Here is an interview with the two people in the picture. You might want to watch this before getting your knickers in a twist.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-33816_162-57491471/sailor-nurse-from-ico ni c-vj-day-photo-reunited/

Then, there are always the Debbie Downers (jezebel.com) even though the two people in the above linked vid don't seem phased.


It doesn't matter if the woman didn't care. He didn't know that beforehand. His actions would have been exactly the same had she punched him and pressed charges instead.
 
2013-02-09 02:20:39 PM
I remember when for it to be rape the penis needed to make an appearance.

Good times.
 
2013-02-09 02:22:23 PM

MNguy: Then, there are always the Debbie Downers (jezebel.com) even though the two people in the above linked vid don't seem phased.

Hitler was still charging his lasers at the time.


dude...Hitler was more of disruptor type of guy

t3.gstatic.com | encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-09 02:23:13 PM
It was a simpler time. Sexual assault was normal back then. Nobody minded.
 
2013-02-09 02:24:31 PM

homelessdude: Red Shirt Blues: Here is an interview with the two people in the picture. You might want to watch this before getting your knickers in a twist.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-33816_162-57491471/sailor-nurse-from-ico ni c-vj-day-photo-reunited/

Then, there are always the Debbie Downers (jezebel.com) even though the two people in the above linked vid don't seem phased.


Argh. Jezebel.com is a ridiculous, sophomoric LUG rag. They actually had an article about how men are sexists because they hug other men the wrong way. Idiots.
 
2013-02-09 02:26:36 PM

GORDON: I remember when for it to be rape the penis needed to make an appearance.

Good times.


Nobody said rape, moron.
 
2013-02-09 02:27:28 PM
Summoner101:

Well aren't you precious.  Did you see the sentence before that where I said the sailor was in the wrong?

Which was negated by the following sentence where you claim judgement should be reserved due to the atmosphere in Times Square at that moment. It was only 70 years ago, people didn't have cro-magnon brains incapable of understanding the concept of consent.  I hope your car gets burned during a sports riot, because who are we to understand the emotions of drunken hockey fans who just lost the cup?
 
2013-02-09 02:27:31 PM

El Freak: GORDON: I remember when for it to be rape the penis needed to make an appearance.

Good times.

Nobody said rape, moron.


No YOU are the one who is a moron.
 
2013-02-09 02:28:46 PM
San Diego can have it. We've got enough crap in Times Square as it is.

/Come to think of it, We'll throw in the Naked Cowboy & a dozen or so smelly Elmos, as well.
 
2013-02-09 02:30:23 PM

Allen. The end.: homelessdude: Red Shirt Blues: Here is an interview with the two people in the picture. You might want to watch this before getting your knickers in a twist.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-33816_162-57491471/sailor-nurse-from-ico ni c-vj-day-photo-reunited/

Then, there are always the Debbie Downers (jezebel.com) even though the two people in the above linked vid don't seem phased.

Argh. Jezebel.com is a ridiculous, sophomoric LUG rag. They actually had an article about how men are sexists because they hug other men the wrong way. Idiots.



Yeah, agreed. Don't get me wrong, I am not advocating violence toward women, but this particular event does not really climb to the level of violent assault particularly in the context of the time.

Compare the kiss with the current spate of approved methods of sexual assault...all justified with somebody's religion and politics.
www.classwarfareexists.com
 
2013-02-09 02:31:02 PM

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: umm. didnt we find out before that those two people didnt know each other and he sort of forced himself on her?

like. we're making a shrine to the glorification of sexual assault?


No, we're trying to attract more tourist dollars.  Same with statues of Confederate heroes.
 
2013-02-09 02:31:56 PM

GORDON: El Freak: GORDON: I remember when for it to be rape the penis needed to make an appearance.

Good times.

Nobody said rape, moran.

No YOU are the one who is a moran.


Sheesh..
 
2013-02-09 02:32:11 PM

GORDON: El Freak: GORDON: I remember when for it to be rape the penis needed to make an appearance.

Good times.

Nobody said rape, moron.

No YOU are the one who is a moron.


Are you proud of that post?
 
2013-02-09 02:32:21 PM
This is a national icon?  Looking closely at the pic shows a very uncomfortable woman.  She has the trademark hand tightly fisted, stiff-bodied, uncomfortable attempted neck pull-back tempered by the sailor's arm keeping her head in place.  It has nothing to do with the time, but has a lot to do with the inability for some men to understand body language.
 
2013-02-09 02:33:15 PM
It's not a rape if seaman is involved
 
2013-02-09 02:33:29 PM

homelessdude: Yeah, agreed. Don't get me wrong, I am not advocating violence toward women, but this particular event does not really climb to the level of violent assault particularly in the context of the time.


"In the context of the time," it was legal to rape your wife. As in, she could be physically fighting you off, trying to get away, screaming her head off, and it was entirely legal. Perhaps "context" is not a valid excuse.
 
2013-02-09 02:35:10 PM

Theaetetus: GORDON: El Freak: GORDON: I remember when for it to be rape the penis needed to make an appearance.

Good times.

Nobody said rape, moron.

No YOU are the one who is a moron.

Are you proud of that post?


No YOU are the one who is proud of it.
 
2013-02-09 02:35:24 PM

natmar_76: wambu: In San Diego? WTF?


What is there in Olathe, KS?

There was a Navy base near there. That is as much connection to the "event" as San Diego has.
 I mean, this may not have happened in San Diego, however San Diego did play a major role in WW2.


And no other place in America played a major role in the war effort I suppose.

And apparently NY doesn't want this statue there.

So San Diego is a  good place for NYC's castoffs?

FYI, it's kind of a silly looking statue. I've seen it in person. They should strip off the paint and weather treat it to stay bronze.

This sounds like a great sales job by a monument salesman preying on the memories of the WW2 generation.  "What better way to commemorate the ultimate sacrifice your loved ones made than a statue of two people tickling tonsils. We can have it painted and installed in a place that had nothing to do with the event to make it even more special. Sign here. And here."
 
2013-02-09 02:35:32 PM

Goiter: Summoner101:

Well aren't you precious.  Did you see the sentence before that where I said the sailor was in the wrong?

Which was negated by the following sentence where you claim judgement should be reserved due to the atmosphere in Times Square at that moment. It was only 70 years ago, people didn't have cro-magnon brains incapable of understanding the concept of consent.  I hope your car gets burned during a sports riot, because who are we to understand the emotions of drunken hockey fans who just lost the cup?


There is a difference between understanding someone's behavior and accepting someone's behavior.  Since you're so high on that horse, I can see how you'd miss the difference.  But good job comparing a farking hockey game to the end of a bloody, worldwide war that significantly impacted our entire nation, even moreso our drafted military, for years during and after.
 
2013-02-09 02:36:14 PM

Caffandtranqs: This is a national icon?  Looking closely at the pic shows a very uncomfortable woman.  She has the trademark hand tightly fisted, stiff-bodied, uncomfortable attempted neck pull-back tempered by the sailor's arm keeping her head in place.  It has nothing to do with the time, but has a lot to do with the inability for some men to understand body language.


An ugly, drunk chick kissed me in a bar without my permission. It was disgusting.

A hotter chick stole a kiss at a different bar. That was hot.
 
2013-02-09 02:36:17 PM
It's funny that all this emo "sexual harassment" squealing didn't really start until 50+ years after the photo.

You're a little too late to piss and moan about it now, ladies. Take your 20 year old "so totally, like, in touch with the struggles of the womyns in the modern era" philosophy and get your ass back in class.

Whiny college kids whining about shiat from their grandfather's time. GTFO.
 
2013-02-09 02:37:25 PM

GORDON: Theaetetus: GORDON: El Freak: GORDON: I remember when for it to be rape the penis needed to make an appearance.

Good times.

Nobody said rape, moron.

No YOU are the one who is a moron.

Are you proud of that post?

No YOU are the one who is proud of it.


I know this is Fark but isn't it a little early to be that drunk?
 
2013-02-09 02:38:27 PM

picturescrazy: GORDON: Theaetetus: GORDON: El Freak: GORDON: I remember when for it to be rape the penis needed to make an appearance.

Good times.

Nobody said rape, moron.

No YOU are the one who is a moron.

Are you proud of that post?

No YOU are the one who is proud of it.

I know this is Fark but isn't it a little early to be that drunk?


YOUR FACE is the one that is drunk so early!
 
2013-02-09 02:38:47 PM

Red Shirt Blues: Here is an interview with the two people in the picture. You might want to watch this before getting your knickers in a twist.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-33816_162-57491471/sailor-nurse-from-ico ni c-vj-day-photo-reunited/


Here are the full extent of Greta's quotes from the article:
"I did not see him approaching, and before I know it, I was in this vice grip!" Greta says.
Greta says she's "sure" he saw the photo when it was published in Life magazine, and "of course," she recognized herself.  "You don't forget this guy grabbing you!" she remarked.
Sure, there's a bunch about how he didn't think much of it, and how  his date (now wife) didn't think much of it, but nothing from her saying that.
 
2013-02-09 02:39:49 PM
Men often get boners when they die.  Here's a statue of a fallen Confederate hero that women rub for "luck" (meaning fertility).

www.nuitblanchetours.com
 
2013-02-09 02:40:14 PM
Here are the full quotes from everyone living in 2013:

"STFU Theaetetus. No one gives a fark about your whiny feminist bullshiat."
 
2013-02-09 02:41:15 PM

Summoner101: picturescrazy: GORDON: Theaetetus: GORDON: El Freak: GORDON: I remember when for it to be rape the penis needed to make an appearance.

Good times.

Nobody said rape, moron.

No YOU are the one who is a moron.

Are you proud of that post?

No YOU are the one who is proud of it.

I know this is Fark but isn't it a little early to be that drunk?

YOUR FACE is the one that is drunk so early!


Ha, good one.

shiatbird calls me a name.  I call him the same thing back in a way that amused me.  Random people rush to the defense of the name caller.  I troll the easily enraged mental midgets.

Another good day on the internet.

No YOU are the one not having a good day on the internet!
 
2013-02-09 02:41:40 PM
They'd better hire a full-time anti-vandilism crew...
 
2013-02-09 02:41:49 PM
i57.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-09 02:42:06 PM
Lots of people grabbed and kissed each other that day. In many cases, the woman was the one doing the grabbing and kissing. Anyone with any common sense or a normal grip on reality would realize this. Of course, the people who have to turn every situation into "man sexually assaults woman" have never thought of that.
 
2013-02-09 02:43:00 PM

Spaced Cowboy: Here are the full quotes from everyone living in 2013:

"STFU Theaetetus. No one gives a fark about your whiny feminist bullshiat."

 Aw, does someone feel uncomfortable need to silence people who disagree with him? Why so defensive about a discussion of sexual assault? Something in your past you don't like to admit?
I know you're just going to get angry and call me names, but frankly, I think you protest a bit too much.
 
2013-02-09 02:44:02 PM

bingethinker: Lots of people grabbed and kissed each other that day. In many cases, the woman was the one doing the grabbing and kissing. Anyone with any common sense or a normal grip on reality would realize this. Of course, the people who have to turn every situation into "man sexually assaults woman" have never thought of that.


To many feminists, "equality" means "Guilting you into doing everything I tell you to do, as if I were your mother catching you masturbating."
 
2013-02-09 02:44:43 PM
El Freak: GORDON: I remember when for it to be rape the penis needed to make an appearance.

Good times.

Nobody said rape, moron.

No YOU are the one who is a moron.

Are you proud of that post?


lol.
seems the bar's set a little lower on the weekend
 
2013-02-09 02:45:06 PM

Spaced Cowboy: Here are the full quotes from everyone living in 2013:

"STFU Theaetetus. No one gives a fark about your whiny feminist bullshiat."


I have to agree.  Theaetetus'heart is in the right place, but his constant whining is getting quite tiresome.
 
2013-02-09 02:45:28 PM

bingethinker: Lots of people grabbed and kissed each other that day. In many cases, the woman was the one doing the grabbing and kissing. Anyone with any common sense or a normal grip on reality would realize this.


So if more than one person commits sexual assault, suddenly it's all okay? Bring up some more victims and we can discuss those, but unless you do, you're just arguing a strawman.
In this case, we know that she didn't participate: "That man was very strong. I wasn't kissing him. He was kissing me."
 
2013-02-09 02:46:25 PM
media.utsandiego.com

Wait... this is CAST BRONZE, and you painted it?

Bronze is a hella expensive material, but the only way you're gonna get the surface patina of bronze is with cast bronze.

YOU painted it and it might as well have been made out of fiberglass.  It looks like a Big Boy.


Maybe TFA has it backwards... it says "A previous rendition of the statue (not bronze) had stood there on loan for several years."  I think that pic may be of the non-bronze one being removed.
 
2013-02-09 02:46:40 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: bingethinker: Of course, the people who have to turn every situation into "man sexually assaults woman" have never thought of that.
To many feminists, "equality" means "Guilting you into doing everything I tell you to do, as if I were your mother catching you masturbating."


Isn't it amazing how the people who say what all feminists think are always anti-feminist?
 
2013-02-09 02:46:56 PM

Theaetetus: bingethinker: Lots of people grabbed and kissed each other that day. In many cases, the woman was the one doing the grabbing and kissing. Anyone with any common sense or a normal grip on reality would realize this.

So if more than one person commits sexual assault, suddenly it's all okay? Bring up some more victims and we can discuss those, but unless you do, you're just arguing a strawman.
In this case, we know that she didn't participate: "That man was very strong. I wasn't kissing him. He was kissing me."


Well, as long as *you're* traumatized by it, I guess *someone* is.
 
2013-02-09 02:47:25 PM

Theaetetus: Lenny_da_Hog: bingethinker: Of course, the people who have to turn every situation into "man sexually assaults woman" have never thought of that.
To many feminists, "equality" means "Guilting you into doing everything I tell you to do, as if I were your mother catching you masturbating."

Isn't it amazing how the people who say what all feminists think are always anti-feminist?


It is.
 
2013-02-09 02:47:31 PM

Theaetetus: Lenny_da_Hog: bingethinker: Of course, the people who have to turn every situation into "man sexually assaults woman" have never thought of that.
To many feminists, "equality" means "Guilting you into doing everything I tell you to do, as if I were your mother catching you masturbating."

Isn't it amazing how the people who say what all feminists think are always anti-feminist?


Where do you see the word "all" in my post, prejudiced person?
 
2013-02-09 02:47:45 PM
I'm confused. So what did I take a picture of when I was down there 2 years ago?


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-09 02:48:32 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Theaetetus: bingethinker: Lots of people grabbed and kissed each other that day. In many cases, the woman was the one doing the grabbing and kissing. Anyone with any common sense or a normal grip on reality would realize this.

So if more than one person commits sexual assault, suddenly it's all okay? Bring up some more victims and we can discuss those, but unless you do, you're just arguing a strawman.
In this case, we know that she didn't participate: "That man was very strong. I wasn't kissing him. He was kissing me."

Well, as long as *you're* traumatized by it, I guess *someone* is.


More strawmen, huh? Why is that? Is it that you can't actually address any of the facts of the situation, or even respond to things I actually said, and instead have to answer some pretend internal dialogue you've got going? Maybe you should stroll over the politics tab where that's considered insightful.
 
2013-02-09 02:49:30 PM

Di Atribe: I'm confused. So what did I take a picture of when I was down there 2 years ago?


[i.imgur.com image 612x612]


A sexual assault, obviously.

/the old one they're replacing
 
2013-02-09 02:49:32 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: prejudiced person?


static.ddmcdn.com
 
2013-02-09 02:51:05 PM

BumpInTheNight: A sexual assault, obviously.

/the old one they're replacing


Hm. I guess I COULD'VE read the article.... but why would I do that?


/thanks
 
2013-02-09 02:51:09 PM
Lots of people grabbed and kissed each other that day. In many cases, the woman was the one doing the grabbing and kissing. Anyone with any common sense or a normal grip on reality would realize this.

So if more than one person commits sexual assault, suddenly it's all okay? Bring up some more victims and we can discuss those, but unless you do, you're just arguing a strawman.
In this case, we know that she didn't participate: "That man was very strong. I wasn't kissing him. He was kissing me."


Pretty much. it's called societal norms. Standards are set by what the majority deems okay.
 
2013-02-09 02:51:23 PM
Summoner101:

There is a difference between understanding someone's behavior and accepting someone's behavior.  Since you're so high on that horse, I can see how you'd miss the difference.  But good job comparing a farking hockey game to the end of a bloody, worldwide war that significantly impacted our entire nation, even moreso our drafted military, for years during and after.

Yes there is, and your comment was clearly on the acceptance side. Especially damning is your attempt to lasso all of WWII and even warfare itself into your explanation. The only argument you have is heightened emotion, and that can be found equally at a riot or a celebration of noble victory, none of it justifiable for grabbing another human being.
 
2013-02-09 02:51:26 PM

Theaetetus: Lenny_da_Hog: Theaetetus: bingethinker: Lots of people grabbed and kissed each other that day. In many cases, the woman was the one doing the grabbing and kissing. Anyone with any common sense or a normal grip on reality would realize this.

So if more than one person commits sexual assault, suddenly it's all okay? Bring up some more victims and we can discuss those, but unless you do, you're just arguing a strawman.
In this case, we know that she didn't participate: "That man was very strong. I wasn't kissing him. He was kissing me."

Well, as long as *you're* traumatized by it, I guess *someone* is.

More strawmen, huh? Why is that? Is it that you can't actually address any of the facts of the situation, or even respond to things I actually said, and instead have to answer some pretend internal dialogue you've got going? Maybe you should stroll over the politics tab where that's considered insightful.


You're the one using the term "sexual assault." If your mom kisses you, is it sexual? Is every contact sexual? Do you know for a fact that the guy was getting aroused by this, or was thinking of it in a sexual context by any means?

You have a lot of assumptions in calling a kiss "sexual assault." That's your word, not a strawman.
 
2013-02-09 02:52:28 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Caffandtranqs: This is a national icon?  Looking closely at the pic shows a very uncomfortable woman.  She has the trademark hand tightly fisted, stiff-bodied, uncomfortable attempted neck pull-back tempered by the sailor's arm keeping her head in place.  It has nothing to do with the time, but has a lot to do with the inability for some men to understand body language.

An ugly, drunk chick kissed me in a bar without my permission. It was disgusting.

A hotter chick stole a kiss at a different bar. That was hot.



So you know how it feels then.
 
2013-02-09 02:54:39 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Theaetetus: Lenny_da_Hog: Theaetetus: bingethinker: Lots of people grabbed and kissed each other that day. In many cases, the woman was the one doing the grabbing and kissing. Anyone with any common sense or a normal grip on reality would realize this.

So if more than one person commits sexual assault, suddenly it's all okay? Bring up some more victims and we can discuss those, but unless you do, you're just arguing a strawman.
In this case, we know that she didn't participate: "That man was very strong. I wasn't kissing him. He was kissing me."

Well, as long as *you're* traumatized by it, I guess *someone* is.

More strawmen, huh? Why is that? Is it that you can't actually address any of the facts of the situation, or even respond to things I actually said, and instead have to answer some pretend internal dialogue you've got going? Maybe you should stroll over the politics tab where that's considered insightful.

You're the one using the term "sexual assault."


Yes, and? Do you believe I invented the term?

If your mom kisses you, is it sexual? Is every contact sexual? Do you know for a fact that the guy was getting aroused by this, or was thinking of it in a sexual context by any means?You have a lot of assumptions in calling a kiss "sexual assault." That's your word, not a strawman.

Actually, it's a legal definition. Contrary to your apparent belief, I did not actually invent the phrase. Sorry to let you down.
 
2013-02-09 02:55:36 PM

Caffandtranqs: Lenny_da_Hog: Caffandtranqs: This is a national icon?  Looking closely at the pic shows a very uncomfortable woman.  She has the trademark hand tightly fisted, stiff-bodied, uncomfortable attempted neck pull-back tempered by the sailor's arm keeping her head in place.  It has nothing to do with the time, but has a lot to do with the inability for some men to understand body language.

An ugly, drunk chick kissed me in a bar without my permission. It was disgusting.

A hotter chick stole a kiss at a different bar. That was hot.


So you know how it feels then.


Yeah. I also know that strangers kissing strangers isn't all that rare or taboo, and deeming it "sexual assault" demeans what sexual assault is. You might see it as a violation of personal space, but not every space violation is "sexual assault."
 
2013-02-09 02:55:52 PM
The statue is merely a glorification of rape-culture perpetrated by the oppressive hegemonic patriarchy.
 
2013-02-09 02:56:59 PM

CruiserTwelve: wambu: In San Diego? WTF?

I would guess because this: "Naval Base San Diego is the principal homeport of the Pacific Fleet, consisting of 50 Navy ships, two Coast Guard cutters, six Military Sealift Command logistical support platforms, several research and auxiliary vessels, and the Navy's most advanced 21st century fleet platform known as the Littoral Combat Ship (LCS). Naval Base San Diego is home to over 180 individual commands, each having specific and specialized fleet support purposes. The base itself is comprised of over 2,000 land acres and 326 acres of water, Naval Base San Diego also includes outlying entities like Commander, Navy Region Southwest headquarters located downtown San Diego and the Naval Medical Center in Balboa Park."


Source: Naval Base San Diego



Here is a list of all the military presence in San Diego:


· Aircraft Squadrons: 35
· Aircraft: 406
· Ships: 48 Surface Combatants
· Aircraft Carriers: 2 (The Nimitz and Reagan are nuclear powered.)
· Submarines: 7
· Military Sealift Command Ships: 9

Those 48 surface combatants include all the ships that make up a Carrier Task Force. There is also a variety of other ships such as Guided Missile Cruisers, Destroyers, Guided Missile Destroyers, Frigates and Amphibious Assault Ships that could act in concert with a carrier task force or be assigned to other attack elements as the strategy and tactics might dictate.

 Naval Base Coronado: This is among the best known of the area's naval installations. NAB Coronado actually is three separate bases under one command structure. It includes North Island Naval Air Station, Naval Amphibious Base and OLF Imperial Beach. The Navy's SEAL units are trained and headquartered at North Island and the Amphibious Base. They are a part of Special Warfare Command and would likely be among the first into any action of any kind. North Island is home to numerous aviation units. It has over 235 assigned aircraft, including anti-submarine warfare planes, large cargo planes, several types of planes that are used to ferry personnel and supplies to and from carriers and more than a dozen helicopter squadrons that have a variety of medium to large helicopters assigned.

Naval Station San Diego: Known locally as 32nd Street, this is the most traditional of the Navy's bases. It is where the majority of the non-submarine combatants are berthed and serviced. While Southwest Command may be the control center on paper, in reality it is 32nd Street where naval operations center.

Naval Base Point Loma: This is home to the port's seven submarines and their support services. All are nuclear powered, all have tremendous range and all are equipped with missiles that could, and probably would, be used in a surgical attack.

Naval Medical Center San Diego: NMCSD is better known by its old name of Balboa Naval Hospital. It is one of the Navy's largest medical centers. Along with providing support for active duty military personnel, their dependents and the area's retirees, this also is the hospital to which wounded from the Pacific Rim would be evacuated for extended, extensive or specialized medical care.

MARINES:

 Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton: Pendleton is the Marines' largest amphibious training facility. It has 17 miles of coastline, 125,000 acres of maneuver land available and can be used to live-fire any tactical weapon the Corps employs. The I Marine Expeditionary Force, the 1st Marine Division and 1st Force Service Support Group are assigned to Pendleton. The 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing and the  Marine Corps Tactical Systems Support Activity also are housed on the base. There Are 37,000 active duty Marines and Sailors at Pendleton along with 3,400 civilian employees.

 Marine Corps Air Station Miramar (MCAS Miramar): Miramar has been in flux and growing since the last round of base closures and the movement of more helicopters and people to the base from El Toro and other deactivated bases. It is the home to the Marine Air Bases Western Area Headquarters, the 3rd Marine Aviation Wing, a huge Combat Service Support Detachment and Marine Aircraft Group 46. One of its units is a Marine Air Carrier Group that can provide aviation assets to the  Bremerton, WA, based nuclear aircraft carrier the USS Carl Vinson. The FA-18 is the base's primary aviation asset. There also are numerous C-130's assigned there. The base is home to more than a dozen squadrons of helicopters that include both CH-46's and CH-53's. The number of Marines assigned there is difficult to determine. Manpower is still in flux because the base is still receiving those previously mentioned people and aircraft from other bases. Most conservative estimates place the number around 10,000. MCAS is the Corps' largest aviation center.

Marine Recruit Depot (MCRD): MCRD is one of only two Marine Corps recruit training centers. It is the place where Basic Training (Boot Camp) is held for all Marine recruits who enter the Corps from west of the Mississippi. It provides training for roughly half of the 40,000 people who enter the Corps each year. There are 2,200 people permanently assigned. The recruit population fluctuates between 3,000 to 6,000.There also are 825 civilian employees at the Depot


Source:  http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/San_Diegos_Military_Presence.ht m l#ixzz2KQsIgMBe


So to sum up:

95,000 soldiers
435 aircraft
2 nuclear powered aircraft carriers
7 nuclear powered attack submarines
Navy SEAL base
Marine recruit depot
Camp Pendleton (Marine's largest amphibious training base at 125,000 acres)

Yeah I'd say San Diego is a good choice.


Besides, a statue (which was on loan from the Sculpture Foundation) was already on display from 2007 until 2012. The SD Unified Port District raised the money (through donations) to purchase a permanent bronze statue from the Foundation to replace the one that was on temporary loan.
 
2013-02-09 02:57:05 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Yeah. I also know that strangers kissing strangers isn't all that rare or taboo, and deeming it "sexual assault" demeans what sexual assault is.


Ah, concern troll is concerned.
 
2013-02-09 02:59:50 PM

Theaetetus: Spaced Cowboy: Here are the full quotes from everyone living in 2013:

"STFU Theaetetus. No one gives a fark about your whiny feminist bullshiat."
 Aw, does someone feel uncomfortable need to silence people who disagree with him? Why so defensive about a discussion of sexual assault? Something in your past you don't like to admit?
I know you're just going to get angry and call me names, but frankly, I think you protest a bit too much.


Your poorly thought out, "OH THAT POOR LADY" hysterics never upset anyone.  I can count on one hand the times you've done anything other than embarrass yourself in a Fark thread.  Pestering people with your annoying sob stories of the plight of women doesn't really get you as far as you think with this crowd.

As for protesting too much, which of us has their panties all twisted up over an event that occurred well before we were born?
 
2013-02-09 03:00:38 PM
Some pissant government office was criticized for concealing a painting that depicted a slave blowing her master.  "Whitewashing the past," went the argument.

Just show your kid this kissing image and say, "If anyone tries that with you, run away and tell an adult."
 
2013-02-09 03:01:31 PM

Spaced Cowboy: Theaetetus: Spaced Cowboy: Here are the full quotes from everyone living in 2013:

"STFU Theaetetus. No one gives a fark about your whiny feminist bullshiat."
 Aw, does someone feel uncomfortable need to silence people who disagree with him? Why so defensive about a discussion of sexual assault? Something in your past you don't like to admit?
I know you're just going to get angry and call me names, but frankly, I think you protest a bit too much.

Your poorly thought out, "OH THAT POOR LADY" hysterics never upset anyone.


... says the upset guy rushing to shut me up, while quivering with tears of impotent rage. If it doesn't upset you, then why are you so angrily responding?
 
2013-02-09 03:01:35 PM

WhippingBoy: Spaced Cowboy: Here are the full quotes from everyone living in 2013:

"STFU Theaetetus. No one gives a fark about your whiny feminist bullshiat."

I have to agree.  Theaetetus'heart is in the right place, but his constant whining is getting quite tiresome.


Whining is pretty much his whole schtick.  When you shut that down, he leaves the thread.  The quicker it's done, the better for the health of the thread, I've found.
 
2013-02-09 03:01:42 PM

Theaetetus: Actually, it's a legal definition. Contrary to your apparent belief, I did not actually invent the phrase. Sorry to let you down.


Was that the case in 1945?
 
2013-02-09 03:03:02 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: An ugly, drunk chick kissed me in a bar without my permission. It was disgusting.


Sexism is about oppression; since society doesn't allow women to oppress men, women can't be sexist, no matter what they say or do. So your experience is not relevant to the topic at hand.
 
2013-02-09 03:03:41 PM
In regards to the whole sexual assault claim:

OH MY GOD WHO CARES?

No. Seriously, STFU. You want to help women? Get off your fat ass and actually help women who are in danger right now. I don't care if the statue is a 200 ft tall statue of Bea Arthur being anally raped by Ron Jeremy. You'll do more to help women by donating time or money to a women's shelter than you will by biatching on the internet about a goddamned statue.

Start your white knighting here;
http://www.rainn.org/
 
2013-02-09 03:04:36 PM
If the world today was in danger of being taken over by a crazy regime and it was thwarted, you'd probably see some unsavory celebrations that would nonetheless be remembered as a wonderful moment in history.
 
2013-02-09 03:05:01 PM
Should have left it unpainted.
 
2013-02-09 03:05:54 PM

Goiter: Summoner101:

There is a difference between understanding someone's behavior and accepting someone's behavior.  Since you're so high on that horse, I can see how you'd miss the difference.  But good job comparing a farking hockey game to the end of a bloody, worldwide war that significantly impacted our entire nation, even moreso our drafted military, for years during and after.

Yes there is, and your comment was clearly on the acceptance side. Especially damning is your attempt to lasso all of WWII and even warfare itself into your explanation. The only argument you have is heightened emotion, and that can be found equally at a riot or a celebration of noble victory, none of it justifiable for grabbing another human being.



Was the sailor in the wrong? Yes.
i>Can modern society really understand the emotions of people in Times Square on VE day? No.
So stop being obtuse. I shouldn't have to explain simple sentences to you. At this point though, I'm pretty sure you're just trolling with that last bit you added in since you're complaining about lassoing in all of WWII and warfare for a photo taken on farking VE day.
 
2013-02-09 03:06:23 PM
Theaetetus: Spaced Cowboy: Here are the full quotes from everyone living in 2013:

"STFU Theaetetus. No one gives a fark about your whiny feminist bullshiat."
 Aw, does someone feel uncomfortable need to silence people who disagree with him? Why so defensive about a discussion of sexual assault? Something in your past you don't like to admit?
I know you're just going to get angry and call me names, but frankly, I think you protest a bit too much.

Your poorly thought out, "OH THAT POOR LADY" hysterics never upset anyone.

... says the upset guy rushing to shut me up, while quivering with tears of impotent rage. If it doesn't upset you, then why are you so angrily responding?



Why are you so upset? He's just calmly responding and trying to reason with you and you are writhing with anger and fear as you defensively lash out at anyone.
. Seriously, try to calm down. it's just Fark.
Have you considered talking to a professional?


I'm sure deep down you're a worthwhile person and someone somewhere likes you.
 
2013-02-09 03:07:05 PM

WhippingBoy: Lenny_da_Hog: An ugly, drunk chick kissed me in a bar without my permission. It was disgusting.

Sexism is about oppression; since society doesn't allow women to oppress men, women can't be sexist, no matter what they say or do. So your experience is not relevant to the topic at hand.


Not sexism -- ASSAULT!

Person who speaks with touch-feely body language, and has to touch your shoulder or arm when he/she is talking (Picture Vincent D'onofrio on Law & Order) = ASSAULT! It's a legal term and everything.
 
2013-02-09 03:08:01 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Caffandtranqs: Lenny_da_Hog: Caffandtranqs: This is a national icon?  Looking closely at the pic shows a very uncomfortable woman.  She has the trademark hand tightly fisted, stiff-bodied, uncomfortable attempted neck pull-back tempered by the sailor's arm keeping her head in place.  It has nothing to do with the time, but has a lot to do with the inability for some men to understand body language.

An ugly, drunk chick kissed me in a bar without my permission. It was disgusting.

A hotter chick stole a kiss at a different bar. That was hot.


So you know how it feels then.

Yeah. I also know that strangers kissing strangers isn't all that rare or taboo, and deeming it "sexual assault" demeans what sexual assault is. You might see it as a violation of personal space, but not every space violation is "sexual assault."


I never deemed it to be sexual assault, but rather a definite depiction of personal space violation.  I'm not an extreme black and white thinker.  I simply do not think a violation of personal space is romantic nor worthy of romanticism in the form of a statue.
 
2013-02-09 03:08:18 PM

Oh_Enough_Already: I get the feeling that the vast majority of feminuts would honestly have preferred we lost WW2 than a sailor kissed a stranger because that was worse than either the Holocaust or Hiroshima.


oi50.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-09 03:08:42 PM

Egoy3k: In regards to the whole sexual assault claim:

OH MY GOD WHO CARES?

No. Seriously, STFU. You want to help women? Get off your fat ass and actually help women who are in danger right now. I don't care if the statue is a 200 ft tall statue of Bea Arthur being anally raped by Ron Jeremy. You'll do more to help women by donating time or money to a women's shelter than you will by biatching on the internet about a goddamned statue.

Start your white knighting here;
http://www.rainn.org/


Really? If you care about stopping sexual assault stop complaining about the glorification of sexual assault? That makes sense.
 
2013-02-09 03:09:10 PM
Guys who agree this was sexual assault are just trying to get into women's pants by abusing trust.
 
2013-02-09 03:09:48 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-09 03:10:37 PM

generallyso: Should have left it unpainted.


Yeah, otherwise they could have just made it out of fiberglass and saved a ton of money.
 
2013-02-09 03:10:54 PM

Theaetetus: Spaced Cowboy: Theaetetus: Spaced Cowboy: Here are the full quotes from everyone living in 2013:

"STFU Theaetetus. No one gives a fark about your whiny feminist bullshiat."
 Aw, does someone feel uncomfortable need to silence people who disagree with him? Why so defensive about a discussion of sexual assault? Something in your past you don't like to admit?
I know you're just going to get angry and call me names, but frankly, I think you protest a bit too much.

Your poorly thought out, "OH THAT POOR LADY" hysterics never upset anyone.

... says the upset guy rushing to shut me up, while quivering with tears of impotent rage. If it doesn't upset you, then why are you so angrily responding?


Says the guy trolling yet another thread with his Tatsuma-style feminist schtick.

There's a reason that half this place has your dumb ass on ignore and it isn't because you make good points or are in any way an interesting speaker.  It's because you're an idiot that drags every thread you post in down into the mud.

As usual, your only accomplishments around here are starting a flamewar and looking like a farking moron.  At least you stick to what you're good at.
 
2013-02-09 03:11:19 PM
Summoner101:
Was the sailor in the wrong? Yes. Not accepting behavior

Can modern society really understand the emotions of people in Times Square on VE day? No. Showing understanding of behavior under given circumstances noting behavior that would be unusual or depraved under modern standards

So stop being obtuse. I shouldn't have to explain simple sentences to you. At this point though, I'm pretty sure you're just trolling with that last bit you added in since you're complaining about lassoing in all of WWII and warfare for a photo taken on farking VE day.


/FTFM
 
2013-02-09 03:12:00 PM

WhippingBoy: The statue is merely a glorification of rape-culture perpetrated by the oppressive hegemonic patriarchy.


I lold.
 
2013-02-09 03:14:14 PM
came here for the herptyderp calling this rape, was not disappointed. idiots.
 
2013-02-09 03:15:29 PM

Summoner101: Can modern society really understand the emotions of people in Times Square on VE day? No. Showing understanding of behavior under given circumstances noting behavior that would be unusual or depraved under modern standards


Reminds me of everyone who calls Columbus a genocidal conqueror.
 
2013-02-09 03:19:58 PM

picturescrazy: Egoy3k: In regards to the whole sexual assault claim:

OH MY GOD WHO CARES?

No. Seriously, STFU. You want to help women? Get off your fat ass and actually help women who are in danger right now. I don't care if the statue is a 200 ft tall statue of Bea Arthur being anally raped by Ron Jeremy. You'll do more to help women by donating time or money to a women's shelter than you will by biatching on the internet about a goddamned statue.

Start your white knighting here;
http://www.rainn.org/

Really? If you care about stopping sexual assault stop complaining about the glorification of sexual assault? That makes sense.


No more like "If you care about stopping sexual assault, stop complaining on the internet about a statue that you think glorifies sexual assault even though millions of people have no idea that the kiss wasn't consensual.  Moreover stop being a whiny douche and put your money or time where you mouth is."

It's not complicated, stop worrying about shiat like this, when there are real people being hurt right now. I would be willing to bet large sums of cash that not one person sees this statue and thinks, "Oh gee I guess it IS fine for me to rape women."
 
2013-02-09 03:19:59 PM

knowless: came here for the herptyderp calling this rape, was not disappointed. idiots.


Again, no one said rape. Herp always seems like the goto word on Fark when you can't think of a real argument.
 
2013-02-09 03:26:04 PM
In regards to the whole sexual assault claim:

OH MY GOD WHO CARES?

No. Seriously, STFU. You want to help women? Get off your fat ass and actually help women who are in danger right now. I don't care if the statue is a 200 ft tall statue of Bea Arthur being anally raped by Ron Jeremy. You'll do more to help women by donating time or money to a women's shelter than you will by biatching on the internet about a goddamned statue.

Start your white knighting here;
http://www.rainn.org/

Really? If you care about stopping sexual assault stop complaining about the glorification of sexual assault? That makes sense.


It does, actually. It's such a simple concept,  it's a shame you don't get it
 
2013-02-09 03:28:49 PM
eventually the feminists will be bred out of the gene pool and all of this hilarity will end. That will be a sad day :/
 
2013-02-09 03:30:19 PM
I've heard that if you cover the statue with straight white male tears, it comes to life and goes on an unstoppable sexual assault spree...
 
2013-02-09 03:31:31 PM
I can't wait to go sexually assault that statue
 
2013-02-09 03:34:44 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: You people need to lighten up. The statute of limitations has long since passed for that supposed "sexual assault".


FTFY

Reminds me of that one bit from Seinfeld:

Kramer: Anyway, it's been two years. I mean isn't there like statue of limitations on that?

Jerry: Statute.

Kramer: What?

Jerry: Statute of limitations. It's not a statue.

Kramer: No, statue.

Jerry: Fine, it's a sculpture of limitations.

Kramer: Just wait a minute...Elaine, Elaine! Now you're smart, is it statue or statute of limitations?

Elaine: Statute.

Kramer: Oh, I really think you're wrong.
 
2013-02-09 03:40:26 PM

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: like. we're making a shrine to the glorification of sexual assault?


i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-09 03:47:51 PM

Goiter: So any poster here would be fine with being grabbed in the street, bent in half and having a stranger's tongue jammed down their throat?


I don't know you, that makes you are a stranger. So, I'm game if you are.
 
2013-02-09 03:53:23 PM
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
 
2013-02-09 03:53:57 PM

Di Atribe: I'm confused. So what did I take a picture of when I was down there 2 years ago?


[i.imgur.com image 612x612]


This. WTF?
 
2013-02-09 03:54:25 PM

Delay: Goiter: So any poster here would be fine with being grabbed in the street, bent in half and having a stranger's tongue jammed down their throat?

I don't know you, that makes you are a stranger. So, I'm game if you are.


I laughed      hard
 
2013-02-09 03:56:27 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Mrtraveler01: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: You people need to lighten up. The statute of limitations has long since passed for that supposed "sexual assault".

FTFY

Reminds me of that one bit from Seinfeld:

Kramer: Anyway, it's been two years. I mean isn't there like statue of limitations on that?

Jerry: Statute.

Kramer: What?

Jerry: Statute of limitations. It's not a statue.

Kramer: No, statue.

Jerry: Fine, it's a sculpture of limitations.

Kramer: Just wait a minute...Elaine, Elaine! Now you're smart, is it statue or statute of limitations?

Elaine: Statute.

Kramer: Oh, I really think you're wrong.

Do I really have to post the "that's the joke" picture in a motherfarking statue thread?


Whoops. My bad.
 
2013-02-09 03:57:18 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Theaetetus: Actually, it's a legal definition. Contrary to your apparent belief, I did not actually invent the phrase. Sorry to let you down.

Was that the case in 1945?


Yes, in 1945 I also did not invent the phrase.

knowless: came here for the herptyderp calling this rape, was not disappointed. idiots.


Actually, no one called this rape.

Spaced Cowboy: There's a reason that half this place has your dumb ass on ignore


Why don't you, since you haven't posted a single thing except to complain about my posts? In fact, at this point, you're just ignore-trolling.
 
2013-02-09 04:01:43 PM
This thread"i37.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-09 04:10:08 PM

Theaetetus: Lenny_da_Hog: Theaetetus: Actually, it's a legal definition. Contrary to your apparent belief, I did not actually invent the phrase. Sorry to let you down.

Was that the case in 1945?

Yes, in 1945 I also did not invent the phrase.


Sure it was. I see one advisory California publication that calls kissing "sexual assault." All others I saw said there has to be a sexual intent for it to be sexual assault, otherwise kissing, like *any* touching, is simple assault. I patted you on the shoulder to get your attention -- I've assaulted you!

Can't wait till next Christmas' mistletoe.
 
2013-02-09 04:10:39 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Confederate hero


Oxymoron
 
2013-02-09 04:15:23 PM

Oznog: YOU painted it and it might as well have been made out of fiberglass. It looks like a Big Boy.



media.utsandiego.com

www.aggrogate.com
 
2013-02-09 04:19:51 PM
Gee, the objective reality behind the photo is horrible, so I disapprove of a statute that will by and large convey only the subject interpretation of the viewer. <sarcasm>

You know the reality of most statutes and art are thought of in the context of the objective reality under which they were made correct? Any outrage over this statue because of the context of the real life couple is due to a fundamentally flawed understanding of art. I am sure these unbiased individuals look upon renaissance art as exploitation of women as many were prostitutes during their time and the artist was only helping to further their being an object in that society.

Honestly, the vast majority (my self included) do not look upon that photo and think about it in terms of a man forcing himself on her. Honestly, many see it as an actual couple. The subjective interpretation most people get from that photo is not at all related to gender issues, but is instead related to post-war bliss. There is nothing wrong with that.

When creating outrage over a piece of art, you should first look at what a plurality of people see when viewed subjectively. If there is a significant portion who view it based upon a negative issue, then it might deserve outrage. This is why erecting a statute of Hitler would be wrong as a large plurality, and honestly large majority, would be viewing it for a subjective interpretation of fine mustache trimming and instead would view it in regards to issues of genocide, war, and racism.

I just don't see anything to get upset over with this statute or the photo. I highly doubt a significant number of people are going to look at either one and say, "gee this is the state glorifying male dominance in sexual relations." Obviously some will, but not the vast majority. If we went by what a small few thought a statute represented, then hell I am sure there are people who see the statute of liberty and think it means all women should dress that way and therefore we should take that down as well.
 
2013-02-09 04:22:55 PM
Raising the flag at Iwo Jima = vandalism.
 
2013-02-09 04:23:35 PM
Man, you could just reach out and touch molest the values dissonance in this thread.

/you're all wrong and I farking hate all of you
 
2013-02-09 04:30:31 PM

wambu: In San Diego? WTF?

Why not in Olathe, KS? That would make as much sense.

It should be in NYC.


Or Sarasota Florida!

media.bradenton.com
 
2013-02-09 04:34:18 PM

Theaetetus: knowless: came here for the herptyderp calling this rape, was not disappointed. idiots.

Actually, no one called this rape.


There were sure as hell posts about "rape culture". You're being obtuse.
 
2013-02-09 04:41:42 PM
This entire thread is farking stupid.  I know Fark is liberal (and so am I) but the whole "WARRGARBL SEXUAL ASSAULT" thing was 100% entirely made up by an attention whore who had literally no proof that she was the woman in the picture and was a long line in a series of crackpot women who all failed to prove it was her.  But only one of the women got picked up by the feminazi crowd to champion the "WARRGARBL SEXUAL ASSAULT" side.
 
2013-02-09 04:43:19 PM

cptjeff: Theaetetus: knowless: came here for the herptyderp calling this rape, was not disappointed. idiots.

Actually, no one called this rape.

There were sure as hell posts about "rape culture". You're being obtuse.


Actually, yours is the first to use that term. So, does that make  you the herptyderper?
 
2013-02-09 04:44:24 PM

Sargun: I know Fark is liberal (and so am I)... whore... crackpot women... feminazi...


I'm betting you aren't nearly as liberal as you claim.
 
2013-02-09 04:45:33 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Raising the flag at Iwo Jima = vandalism.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-09 04:47:54 PM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Man, you could just reach out and touch molest the values dissonance in this thread.

/you're all wrong and I farking hate all of you


Tell us how you really feel
 
2013-02-09 04:48:09 PM
ITT: people who supported an actual rapist condemn someone for stealing a kiss almost 70 years ago.
 
2013-02-09 04:49:24 PM
Because sexual assault is spiffy.
 
2013-02-09 04:49:50 PM

Goiter: Hyperbolic Hyperbole: umm. didnt we find out before that those two people didnt know each other and he sort of forced himself on her?

like. we're making a shrine to the glorification of sexual assault?

http://cratesandribbons.com/2012/09/30/the-kissing-sailor-or-the-sel ec tive-blindness-of-rape-culture-vj-day-times-square/

Yes


WhippingBoy: The statue is merely a glorification of rape-culture perpetrated by the oppressive hegemonic patriarchy.


Theaetetus: Actually, yours is the first to use that term. So, does that make you the herptyderper?


Technically true, if you define the term differently depending on whether it has a hyphen or not.
 
2013-02-09 04:50:37 PM
Holy shiat... Some of you people are totally off the fark'in rails.  From reading some of these posts you'd think it would have been preferable for the Axis to have won WWII if the "kiss of doom" could have been prevented.

Jesus....
 
2013-02-09 04:56:29 PM

SN1987a goes boom: Lenny_da_Hog: Raising the flag at Iwo Jima = vandalism.

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 183x275]


Learn the difference between analogy and strawmen.
 
2013-02-09 05:00:08 PM

cptjeff: Goiter: Hyperbolic Hyperbole: umm. didnt we find out before that those two people didnt know each other and he sort of forced himself on her?

like. we're making a shrine to the glorification of sexual assault?

http://cratesandribbons.com/2012/09/30/the-kissing-sailor-or-the-sel ec tive-blindness-of-rape-culture-vj-day-times-square/

Yes

WhippingBoy: The statue is merely a glorification of rape-culture perpetrated by the oppressive hegemonic patriarchy.

Theaetetus: Actually, yours is the first to use that term. So, does that make you the herptyderper?

Technically true, if you define the term differently depending on whether it has a hyphen or not.


You know, you were originally claiming there were "sure as hell posts about 'Rape Culture'" but apparently that "sure as hell" consists of (i) your post, (ii) a strawman, and (iii) a URL. It's like going into a thread on Freep and saying that there are "sure as hell posts about 'Democrats'", when it's really full of people complaining about them. So, +1 for trolling, but -1 for pretending it was a legitimate point.
 
2013-02-09 05:05:59 PM
Scipio:  When creating outrage over a piece of art, you should first look at what a plurality of people see when viewed subjectively. If there is a significant portion who view it based upon a negative issue, then it might deserve outrage. This is why erecting a statute of Hitler would be wrong as a large plurality, and honestly large majority, would be viewing it for a subjective interpretation of fine mustache trimming and instead would view it in regards to issues of genocide, war, and racism.

The problem I see with this scenario is that typically marginalized groups might have the most outrage, but they will be outnumbered by the oppressing classes.  This is often true in regards to that which offends black people for it being racist and that which offends gay people for it being homophobic.  Are their complains not legitimate because their outrage might not constitute the plurality?
 
2013-02-09 05:08:24 PM
So the original statue was in the park in San Diego next to the USS Midway museum (on loan). After it was removed, people really wanted it back so funds were raised to get another one made.  Voila.
 
2013-02-09 05:14:58 PM

Theaetetus: You know, you were originally claiming there were "sure as hell posts about 'Rape Culture'" but apparently that "sure as hell" consists of (i) your post, (ii) a strawman, and (iii) a URL. It's like going into a thread on Freep and saying that there are "sure as hell posts about 'Democrats'", when it's really full of people complaining about them. So, +1 for trolling, but -1 for pretending it was a legitimate point.


Ah, so now it's, "you're the first one to use the term except for the uses I decide don't count".

You got caught in what was either a mistake or a lie, and now you're trying to weasel your way out of it.
 
2013-02-09 05:32:41 PM

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: umm. didnt we find out before that those two people didnt know each other and he sort of forced himself on her?

like. we're making a shrine to the glorification of sexual assault?


That's exactly what happened, and I'm not shocked that some people have a problem with this being pointed out.

/stupid idea for a statue anyway
 
2013-02-09 05:33:20 PM

SevenizGud: Because sexual assault is spiffy.


If an unknown woman walked up to a man and planted a kiss on his lips, would that mean he'd been raped -- sorry, sexually assaulted? Most likely he'd be either mystified or (at most) pissed off, but victimized? Or are you saying that only women are such precious little flowers that an unwanted kiss would be a life- changing and irremediably damaging event for them? --Radical feminism infantilizes women by claiming that they are constitute a passive class of people who are continually being attacked, violated, and transgressed against, without taking into account the natural strength and resilience of women to deal with what are in most cases nothing more than annoyances.
 
2013-02-09 05:37:12 PM

Egoy3k: In regards to the whole sexual assault claim:

OH MY GOD WHO CARES?

No. Seriously, STFU. You want to help women? Get off your fat ass and actually help women who are in danger right now. I don't care if the statue is a 200 ft tall statue of Bea Arthur being anally raped by Ron Jeremy. You'll do more to help women by donating time or money to a women's shelter than you will by biatching on the internet about a goddamned statue.

Start your white knighting here;
http://www.rainn.org/


So much this..
 
2013-02-09 05:38:05 PM

austerity101: The problem I see with this scenario is that typically marginalized groups might have the most outrage, but they will be outnumbered by the oppressing classes.


Please precisely define these alleged "oppressing classes" and how they go about oppressing others. It's not enough anymore to merely parrot empty phrases from Sociology 101, I'm afraid.
 
2013-02-09 05:43:33 PM

cptjeff: Theaetetus: You know, you were originally claiming there were "sure as hell posts about 'Rape Culture'" but apparently that "sure as hell" consists of (i) your post, (ii) a strawman, and (iii) a URL. It's like going into a thread on Freep and saying that there are "sure as hell posts about 'Democrats'", when it's really full of people complaining about them. So, +1 for trolling, but -1 for pretending it was a legitimate point.

Ah, so now it's, "you're the first one to use the term except for the uses I decide don't count".

You got caught in what was either a mistake or a lie, and now you're trying to weasel your way out of it.


Nice try. You were the one who lied about there being tons of posts, and had to later back pedal and admit that you could only find them if you included a hyphen and counted your own post, a troll's post, and a URL. Shiat, this is like the GOP claiming there's racism everywhere when they're the only ones bringing it up. It's laughably transparent, and no amount of "no U lie!" is going to change the fact that everyone can read this thread for themselves.
 
2013-02-09 05:45:38 PM

GORDON: Summoner101: picturescrazy: GORDON: Theaetetus: GORDON: El Freak: GORDON: I remember when for it to be rape the penis needed to make an appearance.

Good times.

Nobody said rape, moron.

No YOU are the one who is a moron.

Are you proud of that post?

No YOU are the one who is proud of it.

I know this is Fark but isn't it a little early to be that drunk?

YOUR FACE is the one that is drunk so early!

Ha, good one.

shiatbird calls me a name.  I call him the same thing back in a way that amused me.  Random people rush to the defense of the name caller.  I troll the easily enraged mental midgets.

Another good day on the internet.

No YOU are the one not having a good day on the internet!


Nobody's mad, just wondering if you're actually as dumb as you make yourself out to be in text.

This post I'm responding to does not bode well in your favor, my friend.
 
2013-02-09 05:49:58 PM

Theaetetus: cptjeff: Theaetetus: You know, you were originally claiming there were "sure as hell posts about 'Rape Culture'" but apparently that "sure as hell" consists of (i) your post, (ii) a strawman, and (iii) a URL. It's like going into a thread on Freep and saying that there are "sure as hell posts about 'Democrats'", when it's really full of people complaining about them. So, +1 for trolling, but -1 for pretending it was a legitimate point.

Ah, so now it's, "you're the first one to use the term except for the uses I decide don't count".

You got caught in what was either a mistake or a lie, and now you're trying to weasel your way out of it.

Nice try. You were the one who lied about there being tons of posts, and had to later back pedal and admit that you could only find them if you included a hyphen and counted your own post, a troll's post, and a URL. Shiat, this is like the GOP claiming there's racism everywhere when they're the only ones bringing it up. It's laughably transparent, and no amount of "no U lie!" is going to change the fact that everyone can read this thread for themselves.


So you really are claiming there's a difference between using the hyphen and not using the hyphen. Wow.

You claimed I was the first in the thread to use the phrase. Period. No qualifications about usage. In that, you were flatly wrong. Now you are trying to say that that's not the claim you made. That makes you a liar.
 
2013-02-09 05:51:21 PM

It's Me Bender: ITT: people who supported an actual rapist condemn someone for stealing a kiss almost 70 years ago.


Don't forget the widespread exoneration of Roman Polanski: "It's not rape-rape..." We have to always bear in mind that there is no left- wing standard of morality, but merely the yardstick of who is doing what to whom at any given moment... if the who in question has politically acceptable (i.e. "progressive") views, no offence has been committed.
 
2013-02-09 05:54:21 PM

knowless: came here for the herptyderp calling this rape, was not disappointed. idiots.


Nobody called it rape.  Idiot.
 
2013-02-09 05:55:11 PM

Egoy3k: even though millions of people have no idea that the kiss wasn't consensual.


Anybody with eyes who has seen a copy of the picture and can read body language knows that the kiss wasn't consensual.
 
2013-02-09 06:00:00 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: It's Me Bender: ITT: people who supported an actual rapist condemn someone for stealing a kiss almost 70 years ago.

Don't forget the widespread exoneration of Roman Polanski: "It's not rape-rape..." We have to always bear in mind that there is no left- wing standard of morality, but merely the yardstick of who is doing what to whom at any given moment... if the who in question has politically acceptable (i.e. "progressive") views, no offence has been committed.


Prove to us the political affiliation of either person in that photo then.
 
2013-02-09 06:08:08 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: austerity101: The problem I see with this scenario is that typically marginalized groups might have the most outrage, but they will be outnumbered by the oppressing classes.

Please precisely define these alleged "oppressing classes" and how they go about oppressing others. It's not enough anymore to merely parrot empty phrases from Sociology 101, I'm afraid.


Perhaps I should have used the term "privileged classes" instead, but what I meant is everyone who isn't part of the oppressed classes.  White is one of them; male is another.  There is a bit of parallaxing between classes of privilege, of course--a white male is in privileged classes, but if he's gay, he's also in an oppressed class.

You're still a part of the oppressing classes even if you're not personally doing the oppressing.

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Radical feminism infantilizes women by claiming that they are constitute a passive class of people who are continually being attacked, violated, and transgressed against, without taking into account the natural strength and resilience of women to deal with what are in most cases nothing more than annoyances.


Statistically, womenare continually being attacked, violated, and transgressed against.  It happens with alarming frequency.  Blaming women for not fighting back hard enough is pretty insensitive.

Also, you don't get to decide what an annoyance is--the one being approached or attacked is.  If it's an annoyance to her, fine; if not, you don't get to tell her she's wrong.
 
2013-02-09 06:09:27 PM

cptjeff: Theaetetus: cptjeff: Theaetetus: You know, you were originally claiming there were "sure as hell posts about 'Rape Culture'" but apparently that "sure as hell" consists of (i) your post, (ii) a strawman, and (iii) a URL. It's like going into a thread on Freep and saying that there are "sure as hell posts about 'Democrats'", when it's really full of people complaining about them. So, +1 for trolling, but -1 for pretending it was a legitimate point.

Ah, so now it's, "you're the first one to use the term except for the uses I decide don't count".

You got caught in what was either a mistake or a lie, and now you're trying to weasel your way out of it.

Nice try. You were the one who lied about there being tons of posts, and had to later back pedal and admit that you could only find them if you included a hyphen and counted your own post, a troll's post, and a URL. Shiat, this is like the GOP claiming there's racism everywhere when they're the only ones bringing it up. It's laughably transparent, and no amount of "no U lie!" is going to change the fact that everyone can read this thread for themselves.

So you really are claiming there's a difference between using the hyphen and not using the hyphen. Wow.

You claimed I was the first in the thread to use the phrase. Period. No qualifications about usage. In that, you were flatly wrong. Now you are trying to say that that's not the claim you made. That makes you a liar.


Holy crap, I can't believe you're still trying this whole "no you" bit. Are your eyes brown?
 
2013-02-09 06:10:58 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Radical feminism infantilizes women


i66.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-09 06:18:05 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Prove to us the political affiliation of either person in that photo then.


The sailor had recently returned from what Tom Hanks so perceptively termed "a racist war" against the Japanese. Bear in mind that the Japanese had only been compelled -- totally against their will -- to bomb Pearl Harbor as a response to FDR's oil embargo against them, an embargo only levied against the Japanese in the first place in total misunderstanding of their benevolent intentions in subjugating half of Asia and of their civilizing activities in cities such as Nanking. This heterosexual white male sailor, flush with the triumphalism of his oppressor class, can only be assumed by contemporary standards to have been a conservative. The exact political affiliations of the woman he kissed are unknown, but qua woman she was part of an eternally victimized class of people, and in any event her active participation in the defence of her country probably aggravated the swaggering sexism of the sailor who (in common with every other single man of the time) regarded women as nothing better than domestic slaves, fit for childbirth and cookery but nothing else.

/there you go, the $75,000 I spent earning a sociology and poli-sci double major wasn't totally wasted, was it?
 
2013-02-09 06:20:35 PM
Wow... This thread certainly went straight into incredible hyperbolic stupidity...

It's as if someone scooped up the entire audience from a viewing of The Vagina Monologues, a bunch of sign-wavers from an anti-circumcision rally, and half the Berkley membership from the Leche League, served them a bunch of meth and dumped them in one thread to watch the fireworks.

Awesome.

As you were....
 
2013-02-09 06:25:23 PM

Di Atribe: I'm confused. So what did I take a picture of when I was down there 2 years ago?


[i.imgur.com image 612x612]


A temporary plaster version that would not have nearly the durability of the permanent bronze replacement, if I understand correctly.
 
2013-02-09 06:28:43 PM

austerity101: Perhaps I should have used the term "privileged classes" instead, but what I meant is everyone who isn't part of the oppressed classes.  White is one of them; male is another.  There is a bit of parallaxing between classes of privilege, of course--a white male is in privileged classes, but if he's gay, he's also in an oppressed class.


Wait, so a gay white male is oppressing himself? Never mind, I have more a reasonable supposition: everyone who enjoys privilege, regardless of their race, sex, religion or sexual orientation, is privileged; everyone who does not enjoy privilege, regardless of their race, sex, religion, or sexual orientation, is not privileged. And it follows from this that someone who does not enjoy privilege cannot possibly be deemed an "oppressor" of anyone else.

You're still a part of the oppressing classes even if you're not personally doing the oppressing.

You'll have to explain the magic voodoo process by which this is possible. Is the stigma of being an oppressor genetically inherited? If so, explain how; if not, explain how else it is possible to be an oppressor when you haven't actually oppressed anybody, any more than it is possible to (for example) be a world traveller when you've never left your hometown in your entire life.

[...]Also, you don't get to decide what an annoyance is--the one being approached or attacked is.  If it's an annoyance to her, fine; if not, you don't get to tell her she's wrong.
 
So the feeling of annoyance or victimization or oppression is entirely subjective, and not necessarily correlated with any kind of objective standard of reality? The only possible response for that is for men to avoid women altogether, lest they be accused of an offence entirely in the mind of the woman.


I wish I could continue this discussion with you further, but unfortunately I've promised to watch a Dickens miniseries this evening with my family -- my wives and daughters are unaware of how much I oppress them, fortunately -- but I can only say that, if you're not actually taking the piss and impersonating a mindless politically correct drone for fun, you have my full sympathy and best wishes for a speedy recovery from your moral blindness.
 
2013-02-09 06:33:27 PM

austerity101: EvilRacistNaziFascist: austerity101: The problem I see with this scenario is that typically marginalized groups might have the most outrage, but they will be outnumbered by the oppressing classes.

Please precisely define these alleged "oppressing classes" and how they go about oppressing others. It's not enough anymore to merely parrot empty phrases from Sociology 101, I'm afraid.

Perhaps I should have used the term "privileged classes" instead, but what I meant is everyone who isn't part of the oppressed classes.  White is one of them; male is another.  There is a bit of parallaxing between classes of privilege, of course--a white male is in privileged classes, but if he's gay, he's also in an oppressed class.

You're still a part of the oppressing classes even if you're not personally doing the oppressing.

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Radical feminism infantilizes women by claiming that they are constitute a passive class of people who are continually being attacked, violated, and transgressed against, without taking into account the natural strength and resilience of women to deal with what are in most cases nothing more than annoyances.

Statistically, womenare continually being attacked, violated, and transgressed against.  It happens with alarming frequency.  Blaming women for not fighting back hard enough is pretty insensitive.

Also, you don't get to decide what an annoyance is--the one being approached or attacked is.  If it's an annoyance to her, fine; if not, you don't get to tell her she's wrong.


Just like how black people are a part of the criminal class, even if they aren't criminals.
 
2013-02-09 06:41:18 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Wait, so a gay white male is oppressing himself? Never mind, I have more a reasonable supposition: everyone who enjoys privilege, regardless of their race, sex, religion or sexual orientation, is privileged; everyone who does not enjoy privilege, regardless of their race, sex, religion, or sexual orientation, is not privileged. And it follows from this that someone who does not enjoy privilege cannot possibly be deemed an "oppressor" of anyone else.


You don't seem to understand how classes and privilege work.

You're still a part of the oppressing classes even if you're not personally doing the oppressing.

You'll have to explain the magic voodoo process by which this is possible. Is the stigma of being an oppressor genetically inherited? If so, explain how; if not, explain how else it is possible to be an oppressor when you haven't actually oppressed anybody, any more than it is possible to (for example) be a world traveller when you've never left your hometown in your entire life.

If a class is oppressed, that oppression comes from another class.  Those are the oppressing classes.  

I never said everyone is an oppressor.  In fact, I never used the word "oppressor," and there's a reason for that.  I even pointed out that being a member of an oppressing class doesn't make you an oppressor yourself.

[...]Also, you don't get to decide what an annoyance is--the one being approached or attacked is.  If it's an annoyance to her, fine; if not, you don't get to tell her she's wrong.
 
So the feeling of annoyance or victimization or oppression is entirely subjective, and not necessarily correlated with any kind of objective standard of reality? The only possible response for that is for men to avoid women altogether, lest they be accused of an offence entirely in the mind of the woman.


This is the very nature of certain types of behavior--they are only punishable crimes if the victims say they are.  If a man goes up to a woman and kisses her against her will and she does nothing because she doesn't think it's a big deal, it was an annoyance at best and nothing will come of it.  If a man goes up to a woman and kisses her and she feels violated, then it was assault, and she has every right to fight back and/or press charges.
 
Ehh
2013-02-09 06:44:56 PM

olderbudnoweiser: [downloads.thedaily.com image 662x473]

/HOT!


Yeah, I'd rather see a statue of that one. It offends the right people.
 
2013-02-09 07:37:24 PM

austerity101: You're still a part of the oppressing classes even if you're not personally doing the oppressing.


The corollary to this is that you can't oppress someone unless your a part of the oppressing class.
 
2013-02-09 07:39:07 PM

austerity101: This is the very nature of certain types of behavior--they are only punishable crimes if the victims say they are.  If a man goes up to a woman and kisses her against her will and she does nothing because she doesn't think it's a big deal, it was an annoyance at best and nothing will come of it.  If a man goes up to a woman and kisses her and she feels violated, then it was assault, and she has every right to fight back and/or press charges.


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
 
2013-02-09 07:53:18 PM

shaddix: austerity101: This is the very nature of certain types of behavior--they are only punishable crimes if the victims say they are.  If a man goes up to a woman and kisses her against her will and she does nothing because she doesn't think it's a big deal, it was an annoyance at best and nothing will come of it.  If a man goes up to a woman and kisses her and she feels violated, then it was assault, and she has every right to fight back and/or press charges.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL


Don't laugh. In fact, if you even look at a woman the wrong way, and she feels violated, it's prison for you.
 
2013-02-09 07:57:16 PM
People are actually biatching about that picture? Jesus, it's like people look for stupid shiat to get outraged by
 
2013-02-09 08:00:46 PM

Frank N Stein: People are actually biatching about that picture? Jesus, it's like people look for stupid shiat to get outraged by


With all that junk in egypt about those riots and things the easily offended of America have been feeling pretty inadequate lately, then when not a single nipple or cuss slipped through the events of Super bowl you can just imagine how much pent up morality must be swirling around at this point.
 
2013-02-09 08:39:24 PM

megarian: Goiter: So any poster here would be fine with being grabbed in the street, bent in half and having a stranger's tongue jammed down their throat? Was it different because she was a woman? Because of the era? How can people justify this?

Hm. Kind of hot.

Is it too early to start drinking?


It's never too early.
 
2013-02-09 08:44:57 PM

austerity101: Perhaps I should have used the term "privileged classes" instead, but what I meant is everyone who isn't part of the oppressed classes. White is one of them; male is another. There is a bit of parallaxing between classes of privilege, of course--a white male is in privileged classes, but if he's gay, he's also in an oppressed class.

You're still a part of the oppressing classes even if you're not personally doing the oppressing.




You should hook up with the fascists at Atheism +. They get off on this nonsense too!
 
2013-02-09 09:17:08 PM

austerity101: Perhaps I should have used the term "privileged classes" instead, but what I meant is everyone who isn't part of the oppressed classes. White is one of them; male is another. There is a bit of parallaxing between classes of privilege, of course--a white male is in privileged classes, but if he's gay, he's also in an oppressed class.

You're still a part of the oppressing classes even if you're not personally doing the oppressing.


Haha. Sucks to be anything but a straight white male.

dealwithit.jpg
 
2013-02-09 09:18:02 PM

Di Atribe: I'm confused. So what did I take a picture of when I was down there 2 years ago?


It was here for years then they took it down to put it up somewhere else. Now they are bringing back that hideous piece of shiat to ruin our bay front again. Ugliest farking statue ever. It looks like something the guy that drew the original Woody Woodpecker cartoons would do when he was drunk and would be to ashamed to show anyone. fark that statue.
 
2013-02-09 11:18:28 PM
In spite of how enraged this comments section makes me, I'm glad it happened because this way I can tag all the Farker arseholes who are mysogyst, sexual assault apologists and make the world such a tough place for a woman to live in.
So thank you, farktrucks, for displaying your ugliness so out in the open.
 
2013-02-09 11:21:39 PM

mmnessa: In spite of how enraged this comments section makes me, I'm glad it happened because this way I can tag all the Farker arseholes who are mysogyst, sexual assault apologists and make the world such a tough place for a woman to live in.
So thank you, farktrucks, for displaying your ugliness so out in the open.


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2013-02-09 11:27:41 PM

Frank N Stein: mmnessa: In spite of how enraged this comments section makes me, I'm glad it happened because this way I can tag all the Farker arseholes who are mysogyst, sexual assault apologists and make the world such a tough place for a woman to live in.
So thank you, farktrucks, for displaying your ugliness so out in the open.


Hahahaha yes.

Be proud of being someone so disgusting and alarmingly sexist on the internet. Surely, you're a lovely person in real life and no one will ever abandon you for being such a closeted arsewipe.

~*u makeng dah world such a bttah plaec maria*~*
 
2013-02-09 11:34:25 PM

mmnessa: Frank N Stein: mmnessa: In spite of how enraged this comments section makes me, I'm glad it happened because this way I can tag all the Farker arseholes who are mysogyst, sexual assault apologists and make the world such a tough place for a woman to live in.
So thank you, farktrucks, for displaying your ugliness so out in the open.

Hahahaha yes.

Be proud of being someone so disgusting and alarmingly sexist on the internet. Surely, you're a lovely person in real life and no one will ever abandon you for being such a closeted arsewipe.

~*u makeng dah world such a bttah plaec maria*~*


Look, I'm sorry you have a victim complex and the world is against. Really, I am. It must be a terrible burden. But you're going to have to accept that people will always have different opinions from you. Some people just like the picture. And yes, I know the patriarchy isn't going smash itself, but you gotta pick you battles. And maybe even lighten up a bit and learn to laugh at yourself and your ideals. What a concept!

Also, I'm sorry your boyfriend dumped you. You can take off the emo glasses now.
 
2013-02-10 12:35:15 AM

mmnessa: In spite of how enraged this comments section makes me, I'm glad it happened because this way I can tag all the Farker arseholes who are mysogyst, sexual assault apologists and make the world such a tough place for a woman to live in.
So thank you, farktrucks, for displaying your ugliness so out in the open.


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2013-02-10 01:08:54 AM
Sexual relationships between human beings don't easily conform to a rule book, or absolutist ideas about personal autonomy. Sometimes, people make sexual gestures toward other people without asking formal permission. Why? Because constantly checking for formal permission isn't natural, or particularly sexy.

It's true, I'll never know what it's like to be a women, but from my perspective, if your were to suggest my proper course of action against a gay guy who unwantedly touched my ass at a party(which did happen) would be to press sexual assault charges against him, that seems ridiculous to me. What a dick move (no pun intended) that would be on my part! What an absurd, paranoid overreaction for me to make such a big deal of it. The poor guy was only trying to do what we all do...awkwardly navigate the world of human relationships, establish a connection with someone, and just maybe ease the crushing loneliness of life for a time, and I'm supposed to try and arrest him for it?

My insecurity in that situation, and I did have some, has far more to do with me and my issues than with the other guy doing something wrong IMO. So, with that being my closest analogue, it's hard for me to sympathize with women who think it's right for that to be the way society works. It seems to come from weakness, paranoia, and insecurity, not to mention an absurd degree of entitlement.
 
2013-02-10 06:24:01 AM

TV's Vinnie: Hyperbolic Hyperbole: like. we're making a shrine to the glorification of sexual assault?

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Aye, I agree.  Aggravated sexual assault.
 
2013-02-10 06:57:27 AM
Got no problem with this although isn't it about 70 damned years too late and in the wrong freaking city to boot?
 
2013-02-11 12:41:33 PM
And let's not get started on that dog in the copper tone ads!
 
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