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(SanDiego UnionTribune)   Next Saturday, a massive bronze statue depicting the iconic "sailor a kissing a woman in Times Square at the end of World War" picture will be unveiled in San Diego   (utsandiego.com ) divider line
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2013-02-09 05:32:41 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: umm. didnt we find out before that those two people didnt know each other and he sort of forced himself on her?

like. we're making a shrine to the glorification of sexual assault?


That's exactly what happened, and I'm not shocked that some people have a problem with this being pointed out.

/stupid idea for a statue anyway
 
2013-02-09 05:33:20 PM  

SevenizGud: Because sexual assault is spiffy.


If an unknown woman walked up to a man and planted a kiss on his lips, would that mean he'd been raped -- sorry, sexually assaulted? Most likely he'd be either mystified or (at most) pissed off, but victimized? Or are you saying that only women are such precious little flowers that an unwanted kiss would be a life- changing and irremediably damaging event for them? --Radical feminism infantilizes women by claiming that they are constitute a passive class of people who are continually being attacked, violated, and transgressed against, without taking into account the natural strength and resilience of women to deal with what are in most cases nothing more than annoyances.
 
2013-02-09 05:37:12 PM  

Egoy3k: In regards to the whole sexual assault claim:

OH MY GOD WHO CARES?

No. Seriously, STFU. You want to help women? Get off your fat ass and actually help women who are in danger right now. I don't care if the statue is a 200 ft tall statue of Bea Arthur being anally raped by Ron Jeremy. You'll do more to help women by donating time or money to a women's shelter than you will by biatching on the internet about a goddamned statue.

Start your white knighting here;
http://www.rainn.org/


So much this..
 
2013-02-09 05:38:05 PM  

austerity101: The problem I see with this scenario is that typically marginalized groups might have the most outrage, but they will be outnumbered by the oppressing classes.


Please precisely define these alleged "oppressing classes" and how they go about oppressing others. It's not enough anymore to merely parrot empty phrases from Sociology 101, I'm afraid.
 
2013-02-09 05:43:33 PM  

cptjeff: Theaetetus: You know, you were originally claiming there were "sure as hell posts about 'Rape Culture'" but apparently that "sure as hell" consists of (i) your post, (ii) a strawman, and (iii) a URL. It's like going into a thread on Freep and saying that there are "sure as hell posts about 'Democrats'", when it's really full of people complaining about them. So, +1 for trolling, but -1 for pretending it was a legitimate point.

Ah, so now it's, "you're the first one to use the term except for the uses I decide don't count".

You got caught in what was either a mistake or a lie, and now you're trying to weasel your way out of it.


Nice try. You were the one who lied about there being tons of posts, and had to later back pedal and admit that you could only find them if you included a hyphen and counted your own post, a troll's post, and a URL. Shiat, this is like the GOP claiming there's racism everywhere when they're the only ones bringing it up. It's laughably transparent, and no amount of "no U lie!" is going to change the fact that everyone can read this thread for themselves.
 
2013-02-09 05:45:38 PM  

GORDON: Summoner101: picturescrazy: GORDON: Theaetetus: GORDON: El Freak: GORDON: I remember when for it to be rape the penis needed to make an appearance.

Good times.

Nobody said rape, moron.

No YOU are the one who is a moron.

Are you proud of that post?

No YOU are the one who is proud of it.

I know this is Fark but isn't it a little early to be that drunk?

YOUR FACE is the one that is drunk so early!

Ha, good one.

shiatbird calls me a name.  I call him the same thing back in a way that amused me.  Random people rush to the defense of the name caller.  I troll the easily enraged mental midgets.

Another good day on the internet.

No YOU are the one not having a good day on the internet!


Nobody's mad, just wondering if you're actually as dumb as you make yourself out to be in text.

This post I'm responding to does not bode well in your favor, my friend.
 
2013-02-09 05:49:58 PM  

Theaetetus: cptjeff: Theaetetus: You know, you were originally claiming there were "sure as hell posts about 'Rape Culture'" but apparently that "sure as hell" consists of (i) your post, (ii) a strawman, and (iii) a URL. It's like going into a thread on Freep and saying that there are "sure as hell posts about 'Democrats'", when it's really full of people complaining about them. So, +1 for trolling, but -1 for pretending it was a legitimate point.

Ah, so now it's, "you're the first one to use the term except for the uses I decide don't count".

You got caught in what was either a mistake or a lie, and now you're trying to weasel your way out of it.

Nice try. You were the one who lied about there being tons of posts, and had to later back pedal and admit that you could only find them if you included a hyphen and counted your own post, a troll's post, and a URL. Shiat, this is like the GOP claiming there's racism everywhere when they're the only ones bringing it up. It's laughably transparent, and no amount of "no U lie!" is going to change the fact that everyone can read this thread for themselves.


So you really are claiming there's a difference between using the hyphen and not using the hyphen. Wow.

You claimed I was the first in the thread to use the phrase. Period. No qualifications about usage. In that, you were flatly wrong. Now you are trying to say that that's not the claim you made. That makes you a liar.
 
2013-02-09 05:51:21 PM  

It's Me Bender: ITT: people who supported an actual rapist condemn someone for stealing a kiss almost 70 years ago.


Don't forget the widespread exoneration of Roman Polanski: "It's not rape-rape..." We have to always bear in mind that there is no left- wing standard of morality, but merely the yardstick of who is doing what to whom at any given moment... if the who in question has politically acceptable (i.e. "progressive") views, no offence has been committed.
 
2013-02-09 05:54:21 PM  

knowless: came here for the herptyderp calling this rape, was not disappointed. idiots.


Nobody called it rape.  Idiot.
 
2013-02-09 05:55:11 PM  

Egoy3k: even though millions of people have no idea that the kiss wasn't consensual.


Anybody with eyes who has seen a copy of the picture and can read body language knows that the kiss wasn't consensual.
 
2013-02-09 06:00:00 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: It's Me Bender: ITT: people who supported an actual rapist condemn someone for stealing a kiss almost 70 years ago.

Don't forget the widespread exoneration of Roman Polanski: "It's not rape-rape..." We have to always bear in mind that there is no left- wing standard of morality, but merely the yardstick of who is doing what to whom at any given moment... if the who in question has politically acceptable (i.e. "progressive") views, no offence has been committed.


Prove to us the political affiliation of either person in that photo then.
 
2013-02-09 06:08:08 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: austerity101: The problem I see with this scenario is that typically marginalized groups might have the most outrage, but they will be outnumbered by the oppressing classes.

Please precisely define these alleged "oppressing classes" and how they go about oppressing others. It's not enough anymore to merely parrot empty phrases from Sociology 101, I'm afraid.


Perhaps I should have used the term "privileged classes" instead, but what I meant is everyone who isn't part of the oppressed classes.  White is one of them; male is another.  There is a bit of parallaxing between classes of privilege, of course--a white male is in privileged classes, but if he's gay, he's also in an oppressed class.

You're still a part of the oppressing classes even if you're not personally doing the oppressing.

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Radical feminism infantilizes women by claiming that they are constitute a passive class of people who are continually being attacked, violated, and transgressed against, without taking into account the natural strength and resilience of women to deal with what are in most cases nothing more than annoyances.


Statistically, womenare continually being attacked, violated, and transgressed against.  It happens with alarming frequency.  Blaming women for not fighting back hard enough is pretty insensitive.

Also, you don't get to decide what an annoyance is--the one being approached or attacked is.  If it's an annoyance to her, fine; if not, you don't get to tell her she's wrong.
 
2013-02-09 06:09:27 PM  

cptjeff: Theaetetus: cptjeff: Theaetetus: You know, you were originally claiming there were "sure as hell posts about 'Rape Culture'" but apparently that "sure as hell" consists of (i) your post, (ii) a strawman, and (iii) a URL. It's like going into a thread on Freep and saying that there are "sure as hell posts about 'Democrats'", when it's really full of people complaining about them. So, +1 for trolling, but -1 for pretending it was a legitimate point.

Ah, so now it's, "you're the first one to use the term except for the uses I decide don't count".

You got caught in what was either a mistake or a lie, and now you're trying to weasel your way out of it.

Nice try. You were the one who lied about there being tons of posts, and had to later back pedal and admit that you could only find them if you included a hyphen and counted your own post, a troll's post, and a URL. Shiat, this is like the GOP claiming there's racism everywhere when they're the only ones bringing it up. It's laughably transparent, and no amount of "no U lie!" is going to change the fact that everyone can read this thread for themselves.

So you really are claiming there's a difference between using the hyphen and not using the hyphen. Wow.

You claimed I was the first in the thread to use the phrase. Period. No qualifications about usage. In that, you were flatly wrong. Now you are trying to say that that's not the claim you made. That makes you a liar.


Holy crap, I can't believe you're still trying this whole "no you" bit. Are your eyes brown?
 
2013-02-09 06:10:58 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Radical feminism infantilizes women


i66.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-09 06:18:05 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Prove to us the political affiliation of either person in that photo then.


The sailor had recently returned from what Tom Hanks so perceptively termed "a racist war" against the Japanese. Bear in mind that the Japanese had only been compelled -- totally against their will -- to bomb Pearl Harbor as a response to FDR's oil embargo against them, an embargo only levied against the Japanese in the first place in total misunderstanding of their benevolent intentions in subjugating half of Asia and of their civilizing activities in cities such as Nanking. This heterosexual white male sailor, flush with the triumphalism of his oppressor class, can only be assumed by contemporary standards to have been a conservative. The exact political affiliations of the woman he kissed are unknown, but qua woman she was part of an eternally victimized class of people, and in any event her active participation in the defence of her country probably aggravated the swaggering sexism of the sailor who (in common with every other single man of the time) regarded women as nothing better than domestic slaves, fit for childbirth and cookery but nothing else.

/there you go, the $75,000 I spent earning a sociology and poli-sci double major wasn't totally wasted, was it?
 
2013-02-09 06:20:35 PM  
Wow... This thread certainly went straight into incredible hyperbolic stupidity...

It's as if someone scooped up the entire audience from a viewing of The Vagina Monologues, a bunch of sign-wavers from an anti-circumcision rally, and half the Berkley membership from the Leche League, served them a bunch of meth and dumped them in one thread to watch the fireworks.

Awesome.

As you were....
 
2013-02-09 06:25:23 PM  

Di Atribe: I'm confused. So what did I take a picture of when I was down there 2 years ago?


[i.imgur.com image 612x612]


A temporary plaster version that would not have nearly the durability of the permanent bronze replacement, if I understand correctly.
 
2013-02-09 06:28:43 PM  

austerity101: Perhaps I should have used the term "privileged classes" instead, but what I meant is everyone who isn't part of the oppressed classes.  White is one of them; male is another.  There is a bit of parallaxing between classes of privilege, of course--a white male is in privileged classes, but if he's gay, he's also in an oppressed class.


Wait, so a gay white male is oppressing himself? Never mind, I have more a reasonable supposition: everyone who enjoys privilege, regardless of their race, sex, religion or sexual orientation, is privileged; everyone who does not enjoy privilege, regardless of their race, sex, religion, or sexual orientation, is not privileged. And it follows from this that someone who does not enjoy privilege cannot possibly be deemed an "oppressor" of anyone else.

You're still a part of the oppressing classes even if you're not personally doing the oppressing.

You'll have to explain the magic voodoo process by which this is possible. Is the stigma of being an oppressor genetically inherited? If so, explain how; if not, explain how else it is possible to be an oppressor when you haven't actually oppressed anybody, any more than it is possible to (for example) be a world traveller when you've never left your hometown in your entire life.

[...]Also, you don't get to decide what an annoyance is--the one being approached or attacked is.  If it's an annoyance to her, fine; if not, you don't get to tell her she's wrong.
 
So the feeling of annoyance or victimization or oppression is entirely subjective, and not necessarily correlated with any kind of objective standard of reality? The only possible response for that is for men to avoid women altogether, lest they be accused of an offence entirely in the mind of the woman.


I wish I could continue this discussion with you further, but unfortunately I've promised to watch a Dickens miniseries this evening with my family -- my wives and daughters are unaware of how much I oppress them, fortunately -- but I can only say that, if you're not actually taking the piss and impersonating a mindless politically correct drone for fun, you have my full sympathy and best wishes for a speedy recovery from your moral blindness.
 
2013-02-09 06:33:27 PM  

austerity101: EvilRacistNaziFascist: austerity101: The problem I see with this scenario is that typically marginalized groups might have the most outrage, but they will be outnumbered by the oppressing classes.

Please precisely define these alleged "oppressing classes" and how they go about oppressing others. It's not enough anymore to merely parrot empty phrases from Sociology 101, I'm afraid.

Perhaps I should have used the term "privileged classes" instead, but what I meant is everyone who isn't part of the oppressed classes.  White is one of them; male is another.  There is a bit of parallaxing between classes of privilege, of course--a white male is in privileged classes, but if he's gay, he's also in an oppressed class.

You're still a part of the oppressing classes even if you're not personally doing the oppressing.

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Radical feminism infantilizes women by claiming that they are constitute a passive class of people who are continually being attacked, violated, and transgressed against, without taking into account the natural strength and resilience of women to deal with what are in most cases nothing more than annoyances.

Statistically, womenare continually being attacked, violated, and transgressed against.  It happens with alarming frequency.  Blaming women for not fighting back hard enough is pretty insensitive.

Also, you don't get to decide what an annoyance is--the one being approached or attacked is.  If it's an annoyance to her, fine; if not, you don't get to tell her she's wrong.


Just like how black people are a part of the criminal class, even if they aren't criminals.
 
2013-02-09 06:41:18 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Wait, so a gay white male is oppressing himself? Never mind, I have more a reasonable supposition: everyone who enjoys privilege, regardless of their race, sex, religion or sexual orientation, is privileged; everyone who does not enjoy privilege, regardless of their race, sex, religion, or sexual orientation, is not privileged. And it follows from this that someone who does not enjoy privilege cannot possibly be deemed an "oppressor" of anyone else.


You don't seem to understand how classes and privilege work.

You're still a part of the oppressing classes even if you're not personally doing the oppressing.

You'll have to explain the magic voodoo process by which this is possible. Is the stigma of being an oppressor genetically inherited? If so, explain how; if not, explain how else it is possible to be an oppressor when you haven't actually oppressed anybody, any more than it is possible to (for example) be a world traveller when you've never left your hometown in your entire life.

If a class is oppressed, that oppression comes from another class.  Those are the oppressing classes.  

I never said everyone is an oppressor.  In fact, I never used the word "oppressor," and there's a reason for that.  I even pointed out that being a member of an oppressing class doesn't make you an oppressor yourself.

[...]Also, you don't get to decide what an annoyance is--the one being approached or attacked is.  If it's an annoyance to her, fine; if not, you don't get to tell her she's wrong.
 
So the feeling of annoyance or victimization or oppression is entirely subjective, and not necessarily correlated with any kind of objective standard of reality? The only possible response for that is for men to avoid women altogether, lest they be accused of an offence entirely in the mind of the woman.


This is the very nature of certain types of behavior--they are only punishable crimes if the victims say they are.  If a man goes up to a woman and kisses her against her will and she does nothing because she doesn't think it's a big deal, it was an annoyance at best and nothing will come of it.  If a man goes up to a woman and kisses her and she feels violated, then it was assault, and she has every right to fight back and/or press charges.
 
Ehh
2013-02-09 06:44:56 PM  

olderbudnoweiser: [downloads.thedaily.com image 662x473]

/HOT!


Yeah, I'd rather see a statue of that one. It offends the right people.
 
2013-02-09 07:37:24 PM  

austerity101: You're still a part of the oppressing classes even if you're not personally doing the oppressing.


The corollary to this is that you can't oppress someone unless your a part of the oppressing class.
 
2013-02-09 07:39:07 PM  

austerity101: This is the very nature of certain types of behavior--they are only punishable crimes if the victims say they are.  If a man goes up to a woman and kisses her against her will and she does nothing because she doesn't think it's a big deal, it was an annoyance at best and nothing will come of it.  If a man goes up to a woman and kisses her and she feels violated, then it was assault, and she has every right to fight back and/or press charges.


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
 
2013-02-09 07:53:18 PM  

shaddix: austerity101: This is the very nature of certain types of behavior--they are only punishable crimes if the victims say they are.  If a man goes up to a woman and kisses her against her will and she does nothing because she doesn't think it's a big deal, it was an annoyance at best and nothing will come of it.  If a man goes up to a woman and kisses her and she feels violated, then it was assault, and she has every right to fight back and/or press charges.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL


Don't laugh. In fact, if you even look at a woman the wrong way, and she feels violated, it's prison for you.
 
2013-02-09 07:57:16 PM  
People are actually biatching about that picture? Jesus, it's like people look for stupid shiat to get outraged by
 
2013-02-09 08:00:46 PM  

Frank N Stein: People are actually biatching about that picture? Jesus, it's like people look for stupid shiat to get outraged by


With all that junk in egypt about those riots and things the easily offended of America have been feeling pretty inadequate lately, then when not a single nipple or cuss slipped through the events of Super bowl you can just imagine how much pent up morality must be swirling around at this point.
 
2013-02-09 08:39:24 PM  

megarian: Goiter: So any poster here would be fine with being grabbed in the street, bent in half and having a stranger's tongue jammed down their throat? Was it different because she was a woman? Because of the era? How can people justify this?

Hm. Kind of hot.

Is it too early to start drinking?


It's never too early.
 
2013-02-09 08:44:57 PM  

austerity101: Perhaps I should have used the term "privileged classes" instead, but what I meant is everyone who isn't part of the oppressed classes. White is one of them; male is another. There is a bit of parallaxing between classes of privilege, of course--a white male is in privileged classes, but if he's gay, he's also in an oppressed class.

You're still a part of the oppressing classes even if you're not personally doing the oppressing.




You should hook up with the fascists at Atheism +. They get off on this nonsense too!
 
2013-02-09 09:17:08 PM  

austerity101: Perhaps I should have used the term "privileged classes" instead, but what I meant is everyone who isn't part of the oppressed classes. White is one of them; male is another. There is a bit of parallaxing between classes of privilege, of course--a white male is in privileged classes, but if he's gay, he's also in an oppressed class.

You're still a part of the oppressing classes even if you're not personally doing the oppressing.


Haha. Sucks to be anything but a straight white male.

dealwithit.jpg
 
2013-02-09 09:18:02 PM  

Di Atribe: I'm confused. So what did I take a picture of when I was down there 2 years ago?


It was here for years then they took it down to put it up somewhere else. Now they are bringing back that hideous piece of shiat to ruin our bay front again. Ugliest farking statue ever. It looks like something the guy that drew the original Woody Woodpecker cartoons would do when he was drunk and would be to ashamed to show anyone. fark that statue.
 
2013-02-09 11:18:28 PM  
In spite of how enraged this comments section makes me, I'm glad it happened because this way I can tag all the Farker arseholes who are mysogyst, sexual assault apologists and make the world such a tough place for a woman to live in.
So thank you, farktrucks, for displaying your ugliness so out in the open.
 
2013-02-09 11:21:39 PM  

mmnessa: In spite of how enraged this comments section makes me, I'm glad it happened because this way I can tag all the Farker arseholes who are mysogyst, sexual assault apologists and make the world such a tough place for a woman to live in.
So thank you, farktrucks, for displaying your ugliness so out in the open.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-09 11:27:41 PM  

Frank N Stein: mmnessa: In spite of how enraged this comments section makes me, I'm glad it happened because this way I can tag all the Farker arseholes who are mysogyst, sexual assault apologists and make the world such a tough place for a woman to live in.
So thank you, farktrucks, for displaying your ugliness so out in the open.


Hahahaha yes.

Be proud of being someone so disgusting and alarmingly sexist on the internet. Surely, you're a lovely person in real life and no one will ever abandon you for being such a closeted arsewipe.

~*u makeng dah world such a bttah plaec maria*~*
 
2013-02-09 11:34:25 PM  

mmnessa: Frank N Stein: mmnessa: In spite of how enraged this comments section makes me, I'm glad it happened because this way I can tag all the Farker arseholes who are mysogyst, sexual assault apologists and make the world such a tough place for a woman to live in.
So thank you, farktrucks, for displaying your ugliness so out in the open.

Hahahaha yes.

Be proud of being someone so disgusting and alarmingly sexist on the internet. Surely, you're a lovely person in real life and no one will ever abandon you for being such a closeted arsewipe.

~*u makeng dah world such a bttah plaec maria*~*


Look, I'm sorry you have a victim complex and the world is against. Really, I am. It must be a terrible burden. But you're going to have to accept that people will always have different opinions from you. Some people just like the picture. And yes, I know the patriarchy isn't going smash itself, but you gotta pick you battles. And maybe even lighten up a bit and learn to laugh at yourself and your ideals. What a concept!

Also, I'm sorry your boyfriend dumped you. You can take off the emo glasses now.
 
2013-02-10 12:35:15 AM  

mmnessa: In spite of how enraged this comments section makes me, I'm glad it happened because this way I can tag all the Farker arseholes who are mysogyst, sexual assault apologists and make the world such a tough place for a woman to live in.
So thank you, farktrucks, for displaying your ugliness so out in the open.


img193.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-10 01:08:54 AM  
Sexual relationships between human beings don't easily conform to a rule book, or absolutist ideas about personal autonomy. Sometimes, people make sexual gestures toward other people without asking formal permission. Why? Because constantly checking for formal permission isn't natural, or particularly sexy.

It's true, I'll never know what it's like to be a women, but from my perspective, if your were to suggest my proper course of action against a gay guy who unwantedly touched my ass at a party(which did happen) would be to press sexual assault charges against him, that seems ridiculous to me. What a dick move (no pun intended) that would be on my part! What an absurd, paranoid overreaction for me to make such a big deal of it. The poor guy was only trying to do what we all do...awkwardly navigate the world of human relationships, establish a connection with someone, and just maybe ease the crushing loneliness of life for a time, and I'm supposed to try and arrest him for it?

My insecurity in that situation, and I did have some, has far more to do with me and my issues than with the other guy doing something wrong IMO. So, with that being my closest analogue, it's hard for me to sympathize with women who think it's right for that to be the way society works. It seems to come from weakness, paranoia, and insecurity, not to mention an absurd degree of entitlement.
 
2013-02-10 06:24:01 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Hyperbolic Hyperbole: like. we're making a shrine to the glorification of sexual assault?

[i46.tinypic.com image 263x200]


Aye, I agree.  Aggravated sexual assault.
 
2013-02-10 06:57:27 AM  
Got no problem with this although isn't it about 70 damned years too late and in the wrong freaking city to boot?
 
2013-02-11 12:41:33 PM  
And let's not get started on that dog in the copper tone ads!
 
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