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2013-02-09 12:01:41 PM  
you talking about bleacher report in general or the contents of the article
 
2013-02-09 01:57:56 PM  
Bryan LaHair is going to lead the Cubs to victory.  Yeah, about that....
 
2013-02-09 02:00:40 PM  
Bryan LaHair?  The author proffers LaHair as one of the key components of the Cubs' inexorable rise to the pinnacle of MLB within the next five years.  What he wrote was that LaHair would be there through this year and seemed to imply he'd be on his way real soon after the season is over.  Why do the previous two sentences seem to conflict with one another?  Oh right, it's Bleacher Report.

On another note, why did CNN sever its relationship with SI and go with the inaneness that is Bleacher Report?
 
2013-02-09 02:02:15 PM  
FTFA: Any way you put it, the Cubs have a rich history of failure.

That's all the article needed to say. Anything else is a waste of time.
 
2013-02-09 02:03:17 PM  
Came THIS close to clicking on the article before I realized it was B/R......
 
2013-02-09 02:05:41 PM  
I believe Back to the Future II already made this prediction.
 
2013-02-09 02:06:54 PM  
Someone needs to kick Starlin Castro right in the ass and tell him to wake the fark up.  He has tremendous potential, but he's going to piss it away if he doesn't get focused.

But Rizzo is a joy to watch and I hope he continues to play well; he lived up to the hype.  The rest of that list?  Meh.
 
2013-02-09 02:09:24 PM  

rockrobster: FTFA: Any way you put it, the Cubs have a rich history of failure.

That's all the article needed to say. Anything else is a waste of time.


The Cubs are #4 in net worth in MLB.   http://www.forbes.com/mlb-valuations/list/

/on-the-field?  Only if it effects the bottom line.
 
2013-02-09 02:13:44 PM  
I used to think Bleacher report's paid-for greenlights were bad, but at least they write new headlines each time and we can comment on how bad the articles are, which is more than I can say for the new "featured partners"

/BR still sucks, though
 
2013-02-09 02:14:15 PM  
Book it...done?
 
2013-02-09 02:17:11 PM  
I saw 3 decent arguments to assist the premise of the Cubs to win the World Series then 7 against.  What the hell did I just click through?
 
2013-02-09 02:18:41 PM  
I hadn't clicked on a bleacher report link in a LONG time. But I said, "Hey, now that they're partnered with CNN, maybe they won't be as bad now."

I was wrong.
 
2013-02-09 02:37:53 PM  
Thought it was an article about Randy Moss saying every NFL team was interested in his services.
 
2013-02-09 02:44:24 PM  

Phelyx: I saw 3 decent arguments to assist the premise of the Cubs to win the World Series then 7 against.  What the hell did I just click through?


An article written by a hack who thought up an article topic that he knew would get people to click and read, but started grasping at straws when he realized that he only had three decent arguments.  And rather than scrapping the article or waiting until he could find stronger arguments, he pushed ahead with the article because he's creatively and ethically bankrupt.
 
2013-02-09 02:50:08 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: you talking about bleacher report in general or the contents of the article


media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-09 02:53:39 PM  
Shorter article: The Cubs will win because they have the same people they had last year, when they lost 100 games. Plus their fans are tired of them losing. QED.
 
2013-02-09 03:06:18 PM  

Hollie Maea: Shorter article: The Cubs will win because they have the same people they had last year, when they lost 100 games. Plus their fans are tired of them losing. QED.


No, you see, it's different this year because the Cubs no longer have the Astros keeping them down.
 
2013-02-09 03:07:39 PM  

DeWayne Mann: I hadn't clicked on a bleacher report link in a LONG time. But I said, "Hey, now that they're partnered with CNN, maybe they won't be as bad now."

I was wrong.


TBS reportedly paid $200M for BR. Just let that waft over you awhile.
 
2013-02-09 03:12:51 PM  
What's weird is that it's not terribly difficult to argue that, 5 years from now, the Cubs should be one of the better teams in the NL Central. Most farm system rankings have them as third in the division, behind the Cards and Pirates....and you know the Pirates will screw that up. So, ok, lets assume the Cubs will be the second most talented team in the division 5 years from now. The most talented team in a division doesn't necessarily win it, so let's give the Cubs a somewhat conservative 33% chance of winning the Central. The playoffs tend to be a bit of a crap shoot, so give any divisional winner an equal 12.5% chance of winning the Series.

There, I just gave the Cubs a ~4% chance of winning the World Series 5 years from now. That ignores the possibility of getting in as a wild card (with a 6.25% chance of winning from there), and what they could do every other year.

But, hey, Bryan Lahair works too. I guess.
 
2013-02-09 03:18:38 PM  

The Bestest: DeWayne Mann: I hadn't clicked on a bleacher report link in a LONG time. But I said, "Hey, now that they're partnered with CNN, maybe they won't be as bad now."

I was wrong.

TBS reportedly paid $200M for BR. Just let that waft over you awhile.


Oh, I know. I know, because I watched the playoffs this year.

The difference to me, though, is that it's fairly obvious that TBS was interested in bleacher report's SEO ability, not their sports reporting. It's harder to make that case with CNN.  And yet....
 
2013-02-09 03:26:41 PM  
I love Bleacher Report because they make it easy for me to find a 50-word summary of the article I really wanted to find.  Best of all, they make 6,000 of these stories a day and Google always has them at the top!
 
2013-02-09 03:32:32 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Oh, I know. I know, because I watched the playoffs this year.

The difference to me, though, is that it's fairly obvious that TBS was interested in bleacher report's SEO ability, not their sports reporting. It's harder to make that case with CNN.  And yet....


It more largely speaks to the corporate (dis)organization of TimeWarner. TBS and its subsidiaries (of which CNN is one) act somewhat as an autonomous company within TimeWarner. SI.com was put under CNN's purview even though Sports Illustrated was a division of a separate TimeWarner unit, Time, Inc (this was done back when they were still AOL-TimeWarner). CNN transitioning their sports to BR could be trying to keep tighter structure delineation, simply wanting to justify that $200M purchase or both.

I've dealt with TimeWarner in a couple of forms. They are the most corporate corporation I know: a living Dilbert cartoon. It (their corporate dysfunction) is one of the reasons I think the Justice League movie they want will never happen (a sentiment often echoed in the Entertainment tab).
 
2013-02-09 03:33:10 PM  

Super Chronic: Bryan LaHair is going to lead the Cubs to victory.  Yeah, about that....


Came in to mention the same thing. How little research did this bum do?
 
2013-02-09 03:51:46 PM  

The Bestest: DeWayne Mann: I hadn't clicked on a bleacher report link in a LONG time. But I said, "Hey, now that they're partnered with CNN, maybe they won't be as bad now."

I was wrong.

TBS reportedly paid $200M for BR. Just let that waft over you awhile.


That makes me sad. I remember when the guy who started B/R used to post on the E!SPN boards a lot. He got laughed off the boards for being a jackass. Now he's rich because he writes god awful homer articles. I have a sad
 
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2013-02-09 04:06:05 PM  
Pitchers and catchers report tomorrow!!!
 
2013-02-09 04:13:02 PM  
6) Someone finally figured out a way to sneak a pygmy goat into games all season?

(Interestingly, back before "assistance animals" were redefined officially to only include dogs and miniature horses, some friends of mine (who are major Cubs fans) and I had a ha-ha-only-serious way to break the curse by the creative use of an African pygmy goat (the small, tiny, adorable sort that as kids can fit into a purse and are tiny enough to walk on a halter like a dog when grown) as an "Emotional Support Animal" so as to get it into Cubs games...alas, that would involve procuring a goat AND purchasing season tickets for the Cubs (not cheap), and the likelihood of STILL having to use the goat as an actual emotional support animal during the inevitable fail and the weeping into alcoholic beverages at Heaven On Seven. :D)

/then again, what do I know, my "home team" for baseball is the Reds who pretty much haven't had a decent year since Pete Rose and Johnny Bench...then again, still not as bad as the poor Cubs have had
//still think someone should sneak an African pygmy goat into the stadium for lulz :D
 
2013-02-09 04:32:56 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: .alas, that would involve procuring a goat AND purchasing season tickets for the Cubs (not cheap)


Honestly, I'm curious as to which would cost more.
 
2013-02-09 04:33:48 PM  
Hey, apparently the roulette ball hasn't landed on 24 Black for 80 spins.  What are the odds of that?  It's gotta be due!  Bet big on it!
 
2013-02-09 04:34:46 PM  

DeWayne Mann: I hadn't clicked on a bleacher report link in a LONG time. But I said, "Hey, now that they're partnered with CNN, maybe they won't be as bad now."

I was wrong.


Just so you know, they're bad for a reason. As in, they actively train and encourage bad writing in order to do better Search Engine Optimization.
 
2013-02-09 04:42:28 PM  

Joe_diGriz: DeWayne Mann: I hadn't clicked on a bleacher report link in a LONG time. But I said, "Hey, now that they're partnered with CNN, maybe they won't be as bad now."

I was wrong.

Just so you know, they're bad for a reason. As in, they actively train and encourage bad writing in order to do better Search Engine Optimization.


SEO doesn't stop you from using logic. Or doing 5 minute worth of research.

Unless the entire point is to get people to post links on their blog like "Look at how freaking stupid this bleacher report article is!" in which case...mission accomplished?
 
2013-02-09 06:06:01 PM  

JosephFinn: Great Porn Dragon: .alas, that would involve procuring a goat AND purchasing season tickets for the Cubs (not cheap)

Honestly, I'm curious as to which would cost more.


The season tickets for sure--you can get a young goat (especially the little pygmy goats) around here for maybe a few hundred on the high end--and that would be for a champion show goat; more typical is around $50-75. :D  (Yes, there are places that sell them not TERRIBLY far from where I live; a fair number of folks raise them as small and cute dairy goats.  Have occasionally pondered the idea of having a backyard goat to "trim the grass naturally", but the main expense in that would be in properly fencing the backyard to prevent Goat Escape.)
 
2013-02-09 06:13:08 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: JosephFinn: Great Porn Dragon: .alas, that would involve procuring a goat AND purchasing season tickets for the Cubs (not cheap)

Honestly, I'm curious as to which would cost more.

The season tickets for sure--you can get a young goat (especially the little pygmy goats) around here for maybe a few hundred on the high end--and that would be for a champion show goat; more typical is around $50-75. :D  (Yes, there are places that sell them not TERRIBLY far from where I live; a fair number of folks raise them as small and cute dairy goats.  Have occasionally pondered the idea of having a backyard goat to "trim the grass naturally", but the main expense in that would be in properly fencing the backyard to prevent Goat Escape.)


And as an addendum--billy goat kids actually go cheaper than nanny goat kids (because again, pygmy goats are primarily a dairy goat, so you don't need as many billies as nannies) so you could probably get a pygmy billy goat kid around here cheaper than you could actually get a single ticket to a Cubs game at Wrigley Field :D

(Yes, I'm one of those dorks that goes to agriculture shows.  Doesn't hurt that I DID grow up next to what started as a working Hereford cattle farm that turned itself into a working burro farm, and it also doesn't hurt that I DO have some in-law relatives who show Jersey cattle.  Seeing the adorable dairy goats tends to be a fringe benefit of seeing ag shows around here, as they usually show the dairy cattle and dairy goats around the same time.)
 
2013-02-09 06:18:37 PM  
10. Ricketts is planning to spend $700 Million on payroll in the next 5 seasons
9. The Cubs go bankrupt, and the team name is acquired by the Yankees
8. They leave the NL for a collegiate division
7. MLB implements a lottery drawn rotation for teams to win the WS, Cubs pick an early slot
6. MLB implements every team getting a WS trophy for participation each year
5. Every member of every team they play the entire year gets sick before every game.
4. They allow steroids in baseball, and the Cubs draft a really good doctor and chemist.
3. Major umpire game fixing scandal 6 years from now
2. Hell froze over
1. Pity
 
2013-02-09 06:42:32 PM  
Castro - lots of talent, but seems to be wasting it.
Rizzo - Looks good. San Diego got hosed in that trade (wtf were they thinking?)
Baez - Looks solid so far, but he is a prospect and doesn't appear to be a game-changer
Garza - Seriously? He is a #2 pitcher on a good team (#3 on a great team) and is coming off a pretty serious injury. Plus, he is only signed through 2013 so he could get traded in season.
LaHair - Well since he is in Japan this season...
Travis Wood - Seriously? lol
David DeJesus - Seriously? lol
 
2013-02-09 07:36:11 PM  
And I have one reason why they won't:

1. It's the Cubs.
 
2013-02-09 08:18:47 PM  
Whether you agree or disagree with the point of the article, at least the Cubs are trying to put together a winner the right way: through drafting and development. TribCo loved overpaying for just enough talent to remain competitive in the division. Their reward: inconsistent playoff appearances, playoff embarrassments when they did go, and one of the most notoriously juiced players in the league.

/and plus, as the Cardinals have proved - records don't matter in October
 
2013-02-09 08:25:59 PM  
...and having just read that article slideshow all the way through, I feel stupider for having done so.

Brian LaHair? Really? <wtfamireading.jpg>
 
2013-02-09 09:44:20 PM  
I thought the Cubs purpose in the grand scheme of the universe was to make Indians fans feel better about themselves?
 
2013-02-09 10:09:53 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: Great Porn Dragon: JosephFinn: Great Porn Dragon: .alas, that would involve procuring a goat AND purchasing season tickets for the Cubs (not cheap)

Honestly, I'm curious as to which would cost more.

The season tickets for sure--you can get a young goat (especially the little pygmy goats) around here for maybe a few hundred on the high end--and that would be for a champion show goat; more typical is around $50-75. :D  (Yes, there are places that sell them not TERRIBLY far from where I live; a fair number of folks raise them as small and cute dairy goats.  Have occasionally pondered the idea of having a backyard goat to "trim the grass naturally", but the main expense in that would be in properly fencing the backyard to prevent Goat Escape.)

And as an addendum--billy goat kids actually go cheaper than nanny goat kids (because again, pygmy goats are primarily a dairy goat, so you don't need as many billies as nannies) so you could probably get a pygmy billy goat kid around here cheaper than you could actually get a single ticket to a Cubs game at Wrigley Field :D

(Yes, I'm one of those dorks that goes to agriculture shows.  Doesn't hurt that I DID grow up next to what started as a working Hereford cattle farm that turned itself into a working burro farm, and it also doesn't hurt that I DO have some in-law relatives who show Jersey cattle.  Seeing the adorable dairy goats tends to be a fringe benefit of seeing ag shows around here, as they usually show the dairy cattle and dairy goats around the same time.)


So which one would you get to roast?
 
2013-02-09 10:20:04 PM  
Bleacher Report has to be run by the idiots whose sole exposure to high school sports was writing on the Sports Staff of their High School Newspaper.  Every single one of the stories on that page is god-awful.
 
2013-02-10 12:40:23 AM  
See, it amazes me when Cubs fans worry about Starlin Castro's "attitude."

I'd worry about the 24* other players being bad at baseball more than I'd worry about the one good player, a two-time allstar who is still only 23 years old.

*Okay, Rizzo looks pretty great.
 
2013-02-10 02:33:55 AM  
It seems many of the reasons listed involved purporting marginal talents as saviours of a sick franchise. I read all the slides and a couple times laughed (out loud) at the mediocrity of the stats of said saviours.

Good luck Cubs.
 
2013-02-10 04:59:05 AM  

JosephFinn: Great Porn Dragon: Great Porn Dragon: JosephFinn: Great Porn Dragon: .alas, that would involve procuring a goat AND purchasing season tickets for the Cubs (not cheap)

Honestly, I'm curious as to which would cost more.

The season tickets for sure--you can get a young goat (especially the little pygmy goats) around here for maybe a few hundred on the high end--and that would be for a champion show goat; more typical is around $50-75. :D  (Yes, there are places that sell them not TERRIBLY far from where I live; a fair number of folks raise them as small and cute dairy goats.  Have occasionally pondered the idea of having a backyard goat to "trim the grass naturally", but the main expense in that would be in properly fencing the backyard to prevent Goat Escape.)

And as an addendum--billy goat kids actually go cheaper than nanny goat kids (because again, pygmy goats are primarily a dairy goat, so you don't need as many billies as nannies) so you could probably get a pygmy billy goat kid around here cheaper than you could actually get a single ticket to a Cubs game at Wrigley Field :D

(Yes, I'm one of those dorks that goes to agriculture shows.  Doesn't hurt that I DID grow up next to what started as a working Hereford cattle farm that turned itself into a working burro farm, and it also doesn't hurt that I DO have some in-law relatives who show Jersey cattle.  Seeing the adorable dairy goats tends to be a fringe benefit of seeing ag shows around here, as they usually show the dairy cattle and dairy goats around the same time.)

So which one would you get to roast?


Much like with cattle, there are goat breeds that are pretty much bred for meat, and it'd be one of those breeds I'd recommend--probably the smallest among these would be an Anglo-Nubian, and even then (and as a general rule) mutton/meat goats aren't little goats.  They also tend to be the more expensive breeds of goats as they're relatively uncommon stateside (what with goat not having been a huge meat in the Americas and relatively unknown until ethnic cuisines which DO use goat meat started becoming more well known)--most of the goats available in the US are dairy goats or "multipurpose" goats.

Interestingly, one of the "meat goat" breeds tends to be rather common in the US as a novelty goat breed (and not so much to make goat barbecue)--the Tennessee Meat Goat, derived from the Tennessee Stiff-Leg Goat which is better known as the "fainting goat" (basically the gene that makes it a good meat goat also causes its muscles to lock up when startled, hence causing the "fainting").

That said--you probably could cook up a dairy goat if you had to, you'd just want to slow roast it :D  If you're interested in raising goats on a culinary level, though...there's at least one 4H circular that would be helpful (and was designed to help young goat-herders to raise a small meat goat herd).

Now, to get this back to baseball (unless you can name a stadium outside of Miami that would have some nice Cuban goat sandwiches... :D)

In the discussion on how to sneak a goat into Wrigley, pygmy dairy goats were mentioned primarily because they're LITTLE--basically some of them would qualify as miniature goats really. :D  They pretty much are the definition of small and cute, and would be easier to get into a ballpark with minimum fuss than a full-sized meat goat.  (We had figured since they still had mass amounts of fail after a goat was brought in during a past attempt to "reverse the goat curse", the trick was to successfully sneak a goat in all season long :D)
 
2013-02-10 08:50:49 AM  
Something, something, blame the goat something.
 
2013-02-10 09:48:09 AM  
At no point in that article did I think, "you know, that is a solid point."
 
2013-02-10 10:42:06 AM  

germ78: Whether you agree or disagree with the point of the article, at least the Cubs are trying to put together a winner the right way: through drafting and development. TribCo loved overpaying for just enough talent to remain competitive in the division. Their reward: inconsistent playoff appearances, playoff embarrassments when they did go, and one of the most notoriously juiced players in the league.

/and plus, as the Cardinals have proved - records don't matter in October


The Cubs had one of the best ranked minor league systems in the late 90s/early 00s.  One of the major flaws (in hindsight) was that they focused on pitching way too much.  As the saying goes, there is no such thing as a pitching prospect.  Injuries (Wood, Prior) and wash outs (Cruz) shows why the new method(develop hitting, buy pitching) may be better.

Blaming the ownership is lazy.  The people who actually made baseball decisions were still trying to make the best ones possible.

Dafatone: See, it amazes me when Cubs fans worry about Starlin Castro's "attitude."

I'd worry about the 24* other players being bad at baseball more than I'd worry about the one good player, a two-time allstar who is still only 23 years old.

*Okay, Rizzo looks pretty great.


I agree... don't get the hate on Castro.  Yes he has flaws (may not stick at SS, power may not come as expected, attention span), but the kid is young, good, and has actually shown the ability to improve his game (his defense has gotten better).  Plus, he handles distraction pretty well for someone that young (the completely BS sexual assualt charges).

Rizzo and Shark were the best developments of last year.  This year, I hope they figure out if VItters and Jackson are ML players or not and find another pitcher who you would start in a playoff series.  Those are my goals for the ML roster.  Minors... just keep improving.
 
2013-02-10 10:55:58 AM  

Dafatone: See, it amazes me when Cubs fans worry about Starlin Castro's "attitude."

I'd worry about the 24* other players being bad at baseball more than I'd worry about the one good player, a two-time allstar who is still only 23 years old.

*Okay, Rizzo looks pretty great.


It bothers me because your star player's attitude can have an effect on all those other players' attitudes and performance. See: Derrick Rose.
 
2013-02-10 11:53:43 AM  

lifeboat: Dafatone: See, it amazes me when Cubs fans worry about Starlin Castro's "attitude."

I'd worry about the 24* other players being bad at baseball more than I'd worry about the one good player, a two-time allstar who is still only 23 years old.

*Okay, Rizzo looks pretty great.

It bothers me because your star player's attitude can have an effect on all those other players' attitudes and performance. See: Derrick Rose.


Er... what?  Unless you're saying Rose elevates the guys around him or something.
 
2013-02-10 01:21:08 PM  
That's what I'm saying, Dafatone.  DRose buys into the system, works his ass off, and quietly leads by example.  People respond to that; the whole team is better off when the star himself has that kind of a work ethic.
 
2013-02-10 02:27:22 PM  

bacongood: Blaming the ownership is lazy. The people who actually made baseball decisions were still trying to make the best ones possible.


I don't know. The end of the Tribune era was all about buying a championship in order to sell the team when the value was at its highest. The horrible "Matt Garza for every decent prospect the Cubs had" trade that came when the Cubs should have been in tear-down-and-rebuild-youth-movement mode has basically delayed the Cubs' ability to compete by 5 years.

/and it will look absolutely awful when Chris Archer is a top of the rotation starter for TB and Matt Garza is flaking out on the DL
 
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