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(Daily Mail)   Dr McCarthy. Dr Jenny McCarthy. Please report to the Department of Duh   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 49
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2013-02-09 12:38:05 PM  
7 votes:
I once said that too much information can be a bad thing. This is a prime example of someone getting their hands on bad info and then spreading it around without doing further research. Especially since the Dr who wrote the report has been soundly discredited.

When the Polio vaccine came out, there were some folks who weren't going to let their kids be vaccinated so the government made it mandatory, especially if you wanted your kid to go to school. I guess the Civil Rights Lawyers got that stopped.

Then again, I recall when seatbelts were introduced -- and even though the public was heavily educated on what happened in a car wreck if you were unbelted, there were those who were firmly against them. The government had to make it a law to use them and some car makers designed 'automatic belts' to secure you in when you closed the car door.

My Mom was never vaccinated for Measles, since growing up, they did not have a vaccine. She was lucky enough to never catch the disease -- until she got pregnant with my little brother. Even with all of us older kids having them, she somehow escaped. She did make sure all of us kids got every vaccine as soon as they came out.

When my brother was born, he wound up with a malformed hand due to the Measles which, over the years, required surgery to get it to work right. By the time he was 19, we discovered he also had scoliosis -- a chronic bend in the spine, suspected to have been caused by the effects of the disease.

When in his 40's, he had to have surgery to correct it as much as they could since it kept getting worse. Basically, Dr.s opened him up from the nap of his neck to the top of his butt and installed what looks like a huge bicycle chain to stop the curve. (He actually gained an inch or so in height.)

All due to measles.

Now, they've found a link between Chicken Pox and shingles -- a nasty, painful intermittently occurring nerve disease which usually strikes a person over 40.

They also now have a vaccine for Chicken Pox that they didn't when I was a kid. I had the disease way back then, so I have the virus floating around in my system. I just hope it never activates.

I also recall when seeing bowlegged kids in school was not uncommon. Ricketts. Caused by not enough calcium and vitamin D. The leg bones were soft. The Government wiped that out by providing vitamin D enhanced milk cheaply for the schools.

Now, whole milk isn't even listed on the food pyramid and is advertised almost as if it is poison.

The herd mentality of people tends to irritate me.
2013-02-09 11:40:14 AM  
4 votes:
Hey, I'm right there with the Jenny McCarthy hate but let's be honest here: this anti vaccination bullshiat comes from antiscientific world views. It's not just the far right's views on evolution and global warming but also the far left's views on nuclear energy, genetically modified food, organics, "toxins", and this idiotic, all pervasive anti vaccine stuff that it killing children.
2013-02-09 03:12:29 PM  
3 votes:

PsiChick: meanmutton: Hey, I'm right there with the Jenny McCarthy hate but let's be honest here: this anti vaccination bullshiat comes from antiscientific world views. It's not just the far right's views on evolution and global warming but also the far left's views on nuclear energy, genetically modified food, organics, "toxins", and this idiotic, all pervasive anti vaccine stuff that it killing children.

I don't know what far left you're talking to, but the far left I know has a problem with GMOs  because they aren't studied properly. When you have every single cell of a corn kernel releasing pesticides, you actually need to study the effect of huge doses on pesticides in humans long-term.

/If you're going to play the 'both sides are bad' card, get both sides right.


You are of course refering to bacillus thurungus(bt) which is used in large quantities by organic farmers and is only toxic to certain moths-right? Which has to undergo rigorous testing before being approved for use, while so called "traditional" cross breeding, which moves large unregulated chunks of genetic material (including undesirable traits, such as toxicity), is not tested or regulated at all. Educate yourself before spouting off ok?
2013-02-09 01:08:23 PM  
3 votes:
I find it amusing that Jenny McCarthy admits she tried to have sex with a tree while on Ecstasy and was heavy into the drug party crowd.  Who knows how many brain cells and chromosomes she fried due to heavy drug use.  However, her own poor lifestyle choices certainly COULDN'T be a contributing factor to her kid getting autism!  It HAS to be somebody else's fault.  I hope one day she has a moment of clarity and realizes the damage she is doing and accepts some responsibility for her own actions.
2013-02-09 12:19:41 PM  
3 votes:

Free Radical: World needs less people. Especially stupid ones so I'm fine with this.


So when are you checking out?

I mean, I can only assume you're one of the "stupid ones" since you apparently have no idea what happens to a population, especially otherwise healthy members who didn't choose to be ineligible to receive the vaccine, when too few eligible members choose to receive it.
2013-02-09 11:59:44 AM  
3 votes:
Our pediatrician's office has a sign posted that basically states, We Vaccinate - if you disagree find another doctor.  I smile every time I see it.

I would like to take Jenny on a tour of that office, I'm sure she would be welcomed there.
2013-02-09 11:41:14 AM  
3 votes:
Jenny McCarthy is a vapid, stupid woman.
2013-02-09 11:39:08 PM  
2 votes:
i46.tinypic.com
2013-02-09 03:47:12 PM  
2 votes:
I blame mommy forums on the internet.  When my kid got an early round of vaccinations, I think probably 3 months or so, I went on one to ask about ways to make him more comfortable.  Jesus Christ those parents.  I wasn't aware that being a rabid anti-vaxxer moonbat was a registration requirement.  No, I don't think I'll be covering my kid in bath water mixed with cow feces (an actual "home remedy") and I was sort of shocked at the fact that my kid got dozens of death threats before he was even aware enough to smile.  Not much can shock me about the internet, but that did.
2013-02-09 03:36:39 PM  
2 votes:

Clemkadidlefark: No amount of Statistics, decades of investigative reports or common sense will sway minds fixated on vaccines.

Inject your children with God knows what and hope this doesn't happen. Remember, hope really really hard ...

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html


Why would you call medically proven vaccines "god knows what"?  They've been administered billions of times.  How much more proof do you need that all they do is stop a person from getting polio?
2013-02-09 03:16:43 PM  
2 votes:

Free Radical: World needs less people. Especially stupid ones so I'm fine with this.


If anti-vaxxers were the only ones at risk of the malignant stupidity of anti-vaxxers, I'd be all vaya con dios about it too. But their ignorance puts those with suppressed or weakened immune systems at greater risk, ie infants or chemo patients.

People, get your kids their farking shots.
2013-02-09 02:18:42 PM  
2 votes:

GandalfTheWhite: You gotta love the lack of bias in the article, particularly this little piece o' BS...

"This will include some whose parents feared the safety of the jab, following research by Dr Andrew Wakefield linking it to bowel problems and autism. This work has since been roundly discredited."

Wakefield has not been discredited. Saying he was doesn't make it so.


On 28 January 2010, a five-member statutory tribunal of the GMC (British General Medical Council) found three dozen charges proved, including four counts of dishonesty and 12 counts involving the abuse of developmentally challenged children.  The panel ruled that Wakefield had "failed in his duties as a responsible consultant", acted both against the interests of his patients, and "dishonestly and irresponsibly" in his published research.  The Lancet immediately and fully retracted his 1998 publication on the basis of the GMC's findings, noting that elements of the manuscript had been falsified.  Wakefield was struck off the Medical Register in May 2010, with a statement identifying dishonest falsification in The Lancet research, and is barred from practising medicine in the UK.

That sounds pretty discredited to me...
2013-02-09 12:59:36 PM  
2 votes:
"way back when" - two of my grandmother's siblings died from complications from the first round of polio vaccines - none of them saw a doctor for the duration they were still at home because their daddy was suspicious

when i came up, we ALL got vaccinated - and some of us have cigar-shaped upper arm scars from it - it was not open to discussion - and there was no internet to say different

when my son came up, my mother started this jenny bs - well - i've read - yeah, no mom
if i got it, so will he - for the same reasons you told me about losing your uncles - she also fought me on anti-malaria meds when he went out of county (and is shocked malaria is showing up in the US!!)

this makes me angry on so many levels - esp when childhood illnesses may end up coming back and crippling other people who you, as a parent, didn't even think about. its selfishness beyond the pale

grrrrr
2013-02-09 12:14:00 PM  
2 votes:
Too bad it doesn't cause sterility, you could stop the lineage of stupidity.
2013-02-09 11:40:49 AM  
2 votes:
World needs less people. Especially stupid ones so I'm fine with this.
2013-02-09 11:33:38 AM  
2 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Obligatory.


That site is always obligatory in a threads about outbreaks of childhood diseases because people are morons and took medical advice from a celebrity.
2013-02-10 01:57:59 AM  
1 votes:
leadmetal:

It would be interesting to find out what your personal belief process is.  It's not clear why you would accept the word of a guy you don't know about a subject on which you are not an expert and has meaningful impact on yourself and/or your family.  Yet, on the other hand, you reject the word of other guys you don't know about a subject on which you are not an expert and has meaningful impact on yourself and/or your family.  Despite the abysmal track record of individuals crying out against the establishment, you still put all your chips on that particular number on the roulette wheel of health information, even though every major medical organization, every major scientific organization (both government and private), and the glaring empirical example of smallpox eradication should give you pause.

What is it about this that leads you to place your trust in the hands of someone who stands to make money off of people's mistrust of "establishment"?  Do you believe that not only are there many evil people, but that evil people dominate, being the vast, vast majority of your fellow man?

Just trying to understand, man.
2013-02-10 01:24:01 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: leadmetal: Cite? Because that sounds absolutely absurd and considering all the bullshiat out there on Wakefield, that just sounds like more of it. It's amazing the lies that are out there about the guy. Then again, that's how the medical profession treats heretics.

The link you posted was a venture undertaken specifically because of Andrew Wakefield's 1999 Lancet report. MMR is not banned in the UK.


I never stated that MMR was banned. Learn how to farking read why don't you?
I stated the single vaccines were banned to remove choice. Wakefield or no Wakefield there is no reason to ban. Such a ban is done for reasons that have nothing to do with science and everything to do with controlling choice for political reasons.

Oh, God. Please tell me you're not a Wakefield white knight. I generally considered you more intelligent than that. The facts which cannot be contested are that Andrew Wakefield falsified research, under the payroll of solicitors who were seeking to use his research to back vaccine litigation in the UK, and while developing his own stand-alone vaccination which would only be successful if the MMR ban was to continue.

You've insulted me before as I recall, why stop short this time?  Still not seeing a cite for making a vaccine. I know there is an accusation that he was paid by lawyers looking to sue vaccine manufacturers for damages. Which is probably the root of this one.

You can go read all about it yourself from the journalist who exposed Wakefield as the fraud he was.

I am well aware of the mainstream media.

leadmetal: Then again, that's how the medical profession treats heretics.

Wakefield is not a heretic. He's a fraud, a liar, and a victimizer of his patients. The facts behind this are well documented.

You just keep spewing out things from convention as if I must be stupid and unaware of them. Furthermore accepting it as fact blindly. But let's say Wakefield is guilty of every one of the evils. Just for the sake of argument. Because I'm not arguing Wakefield here and I don't want to argue Wakefield. So, from here on out, he's a snakeoil salesman with only his own wallet in mind. Ok?

So then, since we will go forward on this premise regarding wakefield,  why aren't the big drug companies the government protects ever given the same treatment? Why are reports of how their studies are rigged, how bad results are buried, not resulting in people being run out of the profession? Why? How many people did Vioxx alone likely kill? What about these SSRI drugs? What about countless other things in the medical profession? Oh no, looking at how those studies are done and how they got approval is "conspiracy theory".  It's "crank magnetism". How dare we question! How dare we. It's because they are the status quo. It's the religion to just blindly accept FDA approvals. Anyone who doesn't accept it is by default a kook and worthy of insult. Never mind that revolving door that makes people sums that make what Wakefield supposedly got look like something a beggar would get selling "Street Wise". And I'm not talking the Duke brothers encountering an African Prince. But there's no corruption there. No sireee Bob. If you think something is amiss you're a "konspiracy kook".

If someone who published a heavily flawed paper and was paid large sums by vaccine manufacturers that concluded that a new vaccine is safe or that thimerosal is good for you, would never be investigated and you know it. Anyone that even found out the study was flawed or the conflict of interest would be labeled a conspiracy theorist. Heretics get mainstream media attention.  Just look what happens to people who suffer various effects after getting a vaccine, the vaccine is automatically not suspect. by default. to even consider it suspect is conspiracy kookdom.

Then there is how we are supposed to assume that politics has no role what-so-ever in science and that government funding, political funding of science creates no conflict of interest. The double standard is laughable if looked at objectively.

leadmetal: And you get to decide for other people? Did you read the rest of what I wrote?

Yes. That is the price you pay for living under a social contract, some freedoms are going to be limited for the greater good of society. Vaccination and medical care are two of those areas. Medical care is highly regulated because of the historical inability of the profession to regulate itsself. Before the advent of pharmaceutical boards, medical boards, and oversight agencies, quackery and fraud was rampant.

Oh the "social contract", that one that nobody ever signed where the men who win popularity contests get to have their enforcers point guns at people and make them obey? Yeah, I know the social contract. Where we are all owned by our masters. Where we don't own our bodies. How dare we question massa. Massa knows what's good for us! We are just good farm animals on a great big industrial farm. How dare we claim self ownership. The social contract is enforced by who has the monopoly on legal violence, science has no bearing on it.

The american medical profession as we know it today with all its government  licensing, regulation, and approvals is a Rockefeller creation. You know the Rockefellers right? The people who's ancestor sold snake oil at $25 a bottle (when gold was $20.67/ozt) under an assumed name while on the run from rape charges. Remember, Competition is a sin. Can't have choice. Well except in things that don't matter... paper or plastic? 

leadmetal: Meanwhile it's just more "anti-science" in Mexico:
http://www.theyucatantimes.com/2013/02/1500-colonies-of-honeybees-di e- in-campeche/
How dare some Mexicans not like Monsanto's GMO corn! how dare they!


Stay on topic. You're demonstrating the practical application of the theory of crank magentism. We're discussing Andrew Wakefield and his fraudul ...

Go back to the post of mine the other guy was replying to and then the one I was replying to. You'll see not liking GMO is lumped in as being anti-scientific too. Which is what I've been posting on in this thread. This science religion. Others dragged in Wakefield, again. Hey, let's all do what our loving government folks say to do... never mind that revolving door,  they love us and it's the social contract!
2013-02-09 11:58:09 PM  
1 votes:

leadmetal: Cite? Because that sounds absolutely absurd and considering all the bullshiat out there on Wakefield, that just sounds like more of it. It's amazing the lies that are out there about the guy. Then again, that's how the medical profession treats heretics.


The link you posted was a venture undertaken specifically because of Andrew Wakefield's 1999 Lancet report. MMR is not banned in the UK.

Oh, God. Please tell me you're not a Wakefield white knight. I generally considered you more intelligent than that. The facts which cannot be contested are that Andrew Wakefield falsified research, under the payroll of solicitors who were seeking to use his research to back vaccine litigation in the UK, and while developing his own stand-alone vaccination which would only be successful if the MMR ban was to continue.

You can go read all about it yourself from the journalist who exposed Wakefield as the fraud he was.

leadmetal: Then again, that's how the medical profession treats heretics.


Wakefield is not a heretic. He's a fraud, a liar, and a victimizer of his patients. The facts behind this are well documented.

leadmetal: And you get to decide for other people? Did you read the rest of what I wrote?


Yes. That is the price you pay for living under a social contract, some freedoms are going to be limited for the greater good of society. Vaccination and medical care are two of those areas. Medical care is highly regulated because of the historical inability of the profession to regulate itsself. Before the advent of pharmaceutical boards, medical boards, and oversight agencies, quackery and fraud was rampant.

leadmetal: Meanwhile it's just more "anti-science" in Mexico:
http://www.theyucatantimes.com/2013/02/1500-colonies-of-honeybees-di e- in-campeche/
How dare some Mexicans not like Monsanto's GMO corn! how dare they!


Stay on topic. You're demonstrating the practical application of the theory of crank magentism. We're discussing Andrew Wakefield and his fraudulant research. Not honeybees.
2013-02-09 10:26:47 PM  
1 votes:
As a kid in the 50's, I regularly saw, and interacted with, kids who wore the polio leg braces, and used crutches.

Knew kids deaf and/or blind from measles.  Kids who had ricketts.  Who survived whooping cough and, barely, Diptheria.

I had measles twice.

I don't see this anymore.

Vaccines, ya think?
2013-02-09 07:37:04 PM  
1 votes:
I appreciate Farkers giving links but after reading a few of them..I.
..I...I think I need to go lie down a moment...
2013-02-09 04:04:20 PM  
1 votes:

gimmegimme: common sense is an oxymoron: LarryDan43: Mock26: I do not know what is worse, the fact that people like Jenny can be so stupid, or that so many mothers see her as a role model!

Did you drop out of nursing school? If not then you should just back off. Jenny knows what she is doing.


Indeed she does.

She's doing a great job of keeping her name in the news by spreading misinformation about ASD (which her son doesn't have). Outbreaks of preventable and potentially lethal communicable diseases are just the price the rest of us have to pay.

Hey, man.  Jenny McCarthy's kid is an "indigo child."  He's the next step in human evolution, like an X-Man!



From the Wiki:

Proponents recategorize autistic symptoms as telepathic powers...

Which totally explains the difficulty in reading others' emotions, general social ineptitude, etc.

Telling these kids they're superior is really going to work out well for them once they encounter the world beyond the indigo echo chamber.
2013-02-09 03:55:04 PM  
1 votes:
gandalfthewhite

those of you who have the ability to think critically, dig deeper. Find out the exact percentage of those with measles who were and were not vaccinated,...
If you have a child with autism, you know the exact day things went south, and I bet it was the day after the MMR.

gandalf - the most transparent way to shout "i care" is to say "i don't" - so your post you don't read responses ring as false as bilbo's assertion at his b-day party he didn't want to keep the ring...

i have read about autism and, if YOU cared to, YOU could see that the current theory is that autism begins PRIOR to birth with a higher-than-usual expansion of neuron growth that actually continues AFTER - and? even if the MMR vaccine were responsible (which it seems not to be) - its not plausible that parents with autistic children noticed their transition from normal to not within 24 hours...

know how i know? the research - cause and effect - would be HUGE

look at meningitis, ebola, snake venom, appendicitis, etc - when the turn around time is that fast the link is no longer in doubt - for anyone
2013-02-09 03:54:07 PM  
1 votes:

Repo Man: Melanie's Marvelous Measles

Melanie's Marvelous Measles was written to educate children on the benefits of having measles and how you can heal from them naturally and successfully. Often today, we are being bombarded with messages from vested interests to fear all diseases in order for someone to sell some potion or vaccine, when, in fact, history shows that in industrialized countries, these diseases are quite benign and, according to natural health sources, beneficial to the body. Having raised three children vaccine-free and childhood disease-free, I have experienced many times when my children's vaccinated peers succumb to the childhood diseases they were vaccinated against. Surprisingly, there were times when my unvaccinated children were blamed for their peers' sickness. Something which is just not possible when they didn't have the diseases at all. Stephanie Messenger lives in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, and devotes her life to educating people about vaccine dangers and supporting families in their natural health choices. She has the support of many natural therapists and natural-minded doctors.

[i47.tinypic.com image 453x639]


www.tcd.ie

Marvelous.
2013-02-09 03:47:08 PM  
1 votes:

Repo Man: Melanie's Marvelous Measles

Melanie's Marvelous Measles was written to educate children on the benefits of having measles and how you can heal from them naturally and successfully. Often today, we are being bombarded with messages from vested interests to fear all diseases in order for someone to sell some potion or vaccine, when, in fact, history shows that in industrialized countries, these diseases are quite benign and, according to natural health sources, beneficial to the body. Having raised three children vaccine-free and childhood disease-free, I have experienced many times when my children's vaccinated peers succumb to the childhood diseases they were vaccinated against. Surprisingly, there were times when my unvaccinated children were blamed for their peers' sickness. Something which is just not possible when they didn't have the diseases at all. Stephanie Messenger lives in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, and devotes her life to educating people about vaccine dangers and supporting families in their natural health choices. She has the support of many natural therapists and natural-minded doctors.

[i47.tinypic.com image 453x639]


That...that is actually pretty scary to know exists and especially to see the amount of genuine 5/5 star people applauding it.  It actually makes me wish we could tie someone's online persona to an in-person detector.  I would appreciate being warned about the presence of anyone so utterly batshiat stupid so I can appropriately mock and avoid close personal contact with them.
2013-02-09 03:43:53 PM  
1 votes:
Melanie's Marvelous Measles is the most sickening example of the naturalistic fallacy I have ever found. The only justification I can find for this childish belief is "I want to believe it, therefore it's true".
2013-02-09 03:37:33 PM  
1 votes:

BlaqueKatt: PsiChick: meanmutton: Hey, I'm right there with the Jenny McCarthy hate but let's be honest here: this anti vaccination bullshiat comes from antiscientific world views. It's not just the far right's views on evolution and global warming but also the far left's views on nuclear energy, genetically modified food, organics, "toxins", and this idiotic, all pervasive anti vaccine stuff that it killing children.

I don't know what far left you're talking to, but the far left I know has a problem with GMOs  because they aren't studied properly. When you have every single cell of a corn kernel releasing pesticides, you actually need to study the effect of huge doses on pesticides in humans long-term.

/If you're going to play the 'both sides are bad' card, get both sides right.

You are of course refering to bacillus thurungus(bt) which is used in large quantities by organic farmers and is only toxic to certain moths-right? Which has to undergo rigorous testing before being approved for use, while so called "traditional" cross breeding, which moves large unregulated chunks of genetic material (including undesirable traits, such as toxicity), is not tested or regulated at all. Educate yourself before spouting off ok?


But I am afraid of science and progress. I only eat foods that were around before agriculture was invented.
2013-02-09 03:36:34 PM  
1 votes:
I hate Jenny McCarthy
2013-02-09 03:32:04 PM  
1 votes:
Melanie's Marvelous Measles

Melanie's Marvelous Measles was written to educate children on the benefits of having measles and how you can heal from them naturally and successfully. Often today, we are being bombarded with messages from vested interests to fear all diseases in order for someone to sell some potion or vaccine, when, in fact, history shows that in industrialized countries, these diseases are quite benign and, according to natural health sources, beneficial to the body. Having raised three children vaccine-free and childhood disease-free, I have experienced many times when my children's vaccinated peers succumb to the childhood diseases they were vaccinated against. Surprisingly, there were times when my unvaccinated children were blamed for their peers' sickness. Something which is just not possible when they didn't have the diseases at all. Stephanie Messenger lives in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, and devotes her life to educating people about vaccine dangers and supporting families in their natural health choices. She has the support of many natural therapists and natural-minded doctors.

i47.tinypic.com
2013-02-09 02:08:01 PM  
1 votes:

GandalfTheWhite: You gotta love the lack of bias in the article, particularly this little piece o' BS...

"This will include some whose parents feared the safety of the jab, following research by Dr Andrew Wakefield linking it to bowel problems and autism. This work has since been roundly discredited."

Wakefield has not been discredited. Saying he was doesn't make it so.

For you folks who believe essentially anything spewed by the MSM, nothing I say will make a difference, but for those of you who have the ability to think critically, dig deeper. Find out the exact percentage of those with measles who were and were not vaccinated, then take a look at other outbreaks and find out the percentages there. Primary sources, folks. Good luck with that. If you like reading, check out Neil Z. Miller's research.

For those of you who rag on Jenny McCarthy, I seriously doubt you have any more credibility than her, or that you've looked into ASD as much as she has. You see a headline, or a two-minute hit piece and you think you're informed. Wake the crap up, you ignorant fools. If you have a child with autism, you know the exact day things went south, and I bet it was the day after the MMR.

WAKE UP!!!

FU, subby

/as per usual, I don't read replies to my comments, so don't waste your time


Don't you hate a guy who farts and leaves the room?
2013-02-09 02:02:04 PM  
1 votes:
I have big tits, therefore I know about stuff.

www.celebritymoviezone.com
2013-02-09 01:56:23 PM  
1 votes:
In part responsibility rests in the pseudo scientism that has embraced our culture. People think they are scientifically literate, but themselves don't know how to investigate and research data correctly. The CNN and mainstream sciency articles and online info convince some they have the ability to discern the data. And our culture has confused science with our society and think they are inherently good at it. Science isn't a belief system. One does not "believe" in evolution, for example, yet you will hear it everywhere. This pseudo science confuses the science as a tool with science as a belief. So when McCarthy and others read a few articles noting thimerisol in antibiotics, they don't have the scientific vey to examine research clearly denoting its rapid removal from the body combined with limited uptake.
2013-02-09 01:54:14 PM  
1 votes:

lordjupiter: amquelbettamin: lordjupiter: Real Women Drink Akvavit: soupafi: Am I a asshat if I hope her kids get the measles?

Yes. It's not their fault that their mom is a sociopathic moran. If they grow up the same way, then you can wish deadly yet preventable diseases of all kinds on them without being labeled "asshat" by some of us.

Meh.  What about the innocent kids out there suffering because of her parenting and celebrity/wealth, that has allowed her to live a comfy life and pollute the minds of others with deadly ideas?

I don't wish death on her kids, but if they get sick because of her negligence, and it prevents further harm to even a few other kids by undermining her credibility, why isn't it worth it?

It's an aweful thing to imagine for an innocent child to die for a cause, but if the horrid did happen and one of her children did die of measles- it would go a long way to stoping this irresponsible movement that threatens humanity

I agree, and let me add that in a sense the anti-vaxxers COULD be condemning innocent people to death when their own paranoia contributes to the spread of these diseases.  Providing a host for the continued spread of a preventable disease by refusing a generally safe innoculation based on wacky theories is one step away from intentionally infecting someone with it.

People who say "DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO WITH MY BODY!!" are missing this point.  It's not all about you and your confirmation bias regarding flu shots, or your fear of needles or mercury or whatever the boogeyman happens to be.  You are a regressive element in society.


There are foundations (Gates for example) that are trying to eliminate certain diseases with vaccinations in third world countries. Rich first world idiot mothers are undermining this effort!
2013-02-09 01:48:30 PM  
1 votes:
A very good explanation of how all this hooh-hah started, and why Wakefield deserves to be lynched.

http://tallguywrites.livejournal.com/148012.html
2013-02-09 01:44:17 PM  
1 votes:

amquelbettamin: lordjupiter: Real Women Drink Akvavit: soupafi: Am I a asshat if I hope her kids get the measles?

Yes. It's not their fault that their mom is a sociopathic moran. If they grow up the same way, then you can wish deadly yet preventable diseases of all kinds on them without being labeled "asshat" by some of us.

Meh.  What about the innocent kids out there suffering because of her parenting and celebrity/wealth, that has allowed her to live a comfy life and pollute the minds of others with deadly ideas?

I don't wish death on her kids, but if they get sick because of her negligence, and it prevents further harm to even a few other kids by undermining her credibility, why isn't it worth it?

It's an aweful thing to imagine for an innocent child to die for a cause, but if the horrid did happen and one of her children did die of measles- it would go a long way to stoping this irresponsible movement that threatens humanity


I agree, and let me add that in a sense the anti-vaxxers COULD be condemning innocent people to death when their own paranoia contributes to the spread of these diseases.  Providing a host for the continued spread of a preventable disease by refusing a generally safe innoculation based on wacky theories is one step away from intentionally infecting someone with it.

People who say "DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO WITH MY BODY!!" are missing this point.  It's not all about you and your confirmation bias regarding flu shots, or your fear of needles or mercury or whatever the boogeyman happens to be.  You are a regressive element in society.
2013-02-09 01:25:54 PM  
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I was discussing this with one of my neighbors the other day. To my surprise, he's against vaccines. The more he babbled about vaccinations killing more people than disease, the dumber and dumber he looked. It was like he was de-evolving in front of me. From man to monkey in just a few derp-filled sentences.
2013-02-09 01:10:34 PM  
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Real Women Drink Akvavit: soupafi: Am I a asshat if I hope her kids get the measles?

Yes. It's not their fault that their mom is a sociopathic moran. If they grow up the same way, then you can wish deadly yet preventable diseases of all kinds on them without being labeled "asshat" by some of us.


I'm going to have to disagree with you. It would be unfortunate for them if they were to die of measles, and they don't deserve it, but it would send a hell of a message to these idiots and it would probably save numerous lives. For the greater good and all that.
2013-02-09 12:37:55 PM  
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Paragraph two: "potentially deadly". Paragraph nine: "can kill". Paragraph ten: "can lead to death". Paragraph twenty-four: "potentially lethal".
 The twenty-fifth and final paragraph: "However, there have not been any deaths for several years." They say that like they're disappointed by it.
2013-02-09 12:34:43 PM  
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homelessdude: I blame WebMd.

Seriously, I do put some of the blame on sites that lead people to believe that reading a few brief paragraphs, written by a questionable source, is a worthwhile substitute for a doctor's advice. Yes, there are quack docs and all that, but there are also a huge number of terrific ones. Yet, the clueless flock to listen to a 2 bit actress and playboy playmate with not even a portion of a degree in healthcare (she studied to be a nurse, but dropped out).

So yeah, I blame WebMD.....then again, sites like WebMD exist because stupid anti-vaccs demand to have a place that confirm their less then well thought out beliefs.

It is chicken and egg at the same time.


You can't blame the blurb format for the dummies that read incorrect blurbs from bad sources.

The problem is anecdotal evidence and advice on medical message boards, which are full of hypochondriacs and worst-case-scenarios.  Message boards are for complaining fanatics FAR more than they are for the praise of balanced people, who generally just go on with their lives rather than scouring the internet for partners in misery, or some place to vent.

Name just about any medical symptom and in 5 minutes of searching you can probably find a link between it and least 50 different conditions (many serious), multiple cautionary tales of failed treatments and horrific side-effects, and then nearly as many testimonials stating the exact opposite.
2013-02-09 12:30:40 PM  
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You Idiots: Jenny McCarthy, please report to my masturbatorium.


Gross

That woman is vile and you should feel bad.
2013-02-09 12:25:17 PM  
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Real Women Drink Akvavit: soupafi: Am I a asshat if I hope her kids get the measles?

Yes. It's not their fault that their mom is a sociopathic moran. If they grow up the same way, then you can wish deadly yet preventable diseases of all kinds on them without being labeled "asshat" by some of us.


Meh.  What about the innocent kids out there suffering because of her parenting and celebrity/wealth, that has allowed her to live a comfy life and pollute the minds of others with deadly ideas?

I don't wish death on her kids, but if they get sick because of her negligence, and it prevents further harm to even a few other kids by undermining her credibility, why isn't it worth it?
2013-02-09 12:09:53 PM  
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What's wrong with being artistic? If you ask me, we need more healthy artists out there, not the  wheezing fundy Christian tea partying-inhaler- huffing- pock-marked- leg braced posers who we're settling for these days. I say shoot up!

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2013-02-09 12:00:47 PM  
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soupafi: Am I a asshat if I hope her kids get the measles?


Yes. It's not their fault that their mom is a sociopathic moran. If they grow up the same way, then you can wish deadly yet preventable diseases of all kinds on them without being labeled "asshat" by some of us.
2013-02-09 11:57:28 AM  
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Prank Call of Cthulhu: Holy hell, the comments on that article are filled with teh derpitty derp.


I know. I'm tempted to give 'em the verbal smackdown with facts and stuff, then I remembered "they're Brits or some crap and my accent is too California, so they'd like totally not understand PROPER Californese English." Facts rarely persuade people with that much derpitty derp anyway. Matter of fact, I've never seen it happen.

So, let the War on Herd Immunity rage on, I guess.
2013-02-09 11:50:45 AM  
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simplicimus: Lurk sober post drunk: xria: Just in case anyone still has the mistaken impression that measles isn't a killer disease - 158,000 die a year from it still (mostly children, and mostly in low income countries without widespread vaccination) - given population growth the 2.6 million mostly children than died per year before widespread vaccinations started in the 1980s would now equate to more than 4 million children dying each year.

So campaigning against measles vaccination without knowing what you are talking about statistically makes you worse than Hitler - especially as at least his efforts weren't specifically targeting children for mass slaughter.

but jenny said it'd make my kid artistic.  you know, limp wrist and all that.  he's a real man, don't need no vitamins and crap.

So, dead is better than autistic?


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sometimes dead is better.
2013-02-09 11:50:12 AM  
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in a country filled with trailer trash that name their children after TV soap opera characters i'm surprised Jenny wasn't elected president by write-in ballot.
2013-02-09 11:42:54 AM  
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Free Radical: World needs less people. Especially stupid ones so I'm fine with this.


Overpopulation: Just enough of me, way too much of you
2013-02-09 11:37:30 AM  
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Just in case anyone still has the mistaken impression that measles isn't a killer disease - 158,000 die a year from it still (mostly children, and mostly in low income countries without widespread vaccination) - given population growth the 2.6 million mostly children than died per year before widespread vaccinations started in the 1980s would now equate to more than 4 million children dying each year.

So campaigning against measles vaccination without knowing what you are talking about statistically makes you worse than Hitler - especially as at least his efforts weren't specifically targeting children for mass slaughter.
2013-02-09 10:32:18 AM  
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