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2013-02-09 10:32:18 AM
 
2013-02-09 11:33:38 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Obligatory.


That site is always obligatory in a threads about outbreaks of childhood diseases because people are morons and took medical advice from a celebrity.
 
2013-02-09 11:35:29 AM
I do not know what is worse, the fact that people like Jenny can be so stupid, or that so many mothers see her as a role model!
 
2013-02-09 11:36:00 AM
Did anyone watch her atrocious new show on VH1?  It makes Chelsea Lately look like Meet the Press.
 
2013-02-09 11:37:30 AM
Just in case anyone still has the mistaken impression that measles isn't a killer disease - 158,000 die a year from it still (mostly children, and mostly in low income countries without widespread vaccination) - given population growth the 2.6 million mostly children than died per year before widespread vaccinations started in the 1980s would now equate to more than 4 million children dying each year.

So campaigning against measles vaccination without knowing what you are talking about statistically makes you worse than Hitler - especially as at least his efforts weren't specifically targeting children for mass slaughter.
 
2013-02-09 11:38:04 AM
*patiently waits for the lone anti-vaxxer farker and all his alts to show up*
 
2013-02-09 11:40:14 AM
Hey, I'm right there with the Jenny McCarthy hate but let's be honest here: this anti vaccination bullshiat comes from antiscientific world views. It's not just the far right's views on evolution and global warming but also the far left's views on nuclear energy, genetically modified food, organics, "toxins", and this idiotic, all pervasive anti vaccine stuff that it killing children.
 
2013-02-09 11:40:49 AM
World needs less people. Especially stupid ones so I'm fine with this.
 
2013-02-09 11:41:14 AM
Jenny McCarthy is a vapid, stupid woman.
 
2013-02-09 11:41:29 AM

Mock26: I do not know what is worse, the fact that people like Jenny can be so stupid, or that so many mothers see her as a role model!


Did you drop out of nursing school? If not then you should just back off. Jenny knows what she is doing.
 
2013-02-09 11:41:31 AM

xria: Just in case anyone still has the mistaken impression that measles isn't a killer disease - 158,000 die a year from it still (mostly children, and mostly in low income countries without widespread vaccination) - given population growth the 2.6 million mostly children than died per year before widespread vaccinations started in the 1980s would now equate to more than 4 million children dying each year.

So campaigning against measles vaccination without knowing what you are talking about statistically makes you worse than Hitler - especially as at least his efforts weren't specifically targeting children for mass slaughter.


but jenny said it'd make my kid artistic.  you know, limp wrist and all that.  he's a real man, don't need no vitamins and crap.
 
2013-02-09 11:41:40 AM
 
2013-02-09 11:42:54 AM

Free Radical: World needs less people. Especially stupid ones so I'm fine with this.


Overpopulation: Just enough of me, way too much of you
 
2013-02-09 11:45:49 AM

Lurk sober post drunk: xria: Just in case anyone still has the mistaken impression that measles isn't a killer disease - 158,000 die a year from it still (mostly children, and mostly in low income countries without widespread vaccination) - given population growth the 2.6 million mostly children than died per year before widespread vaccinations started in the 1980s would now equate to more than 4 million children dying each year.

So campaigning against measles vaccination without knowing what you are talking about statistically makes you worse than Hitler - especially as at least his efforts weren't specifically targeting children for mass slaughter.

but jenny said it'd make my kid artistic.  you know, limp wrist and all that.  he's a real man, don't need no vitamins and crap.


So, dead is better than autistic?
 
2013-02-09 11:46:41 AM
Holy hell, the comments on that article are filled with teh derpitty derp.
 
2013-02-09 11:48:55 AM
Am I a asshat if I hope her kids get the measles?
 
2013-02-09 11:50:12 AM
in a country filled with trailer trash that name their children after TV soap opera characters i'm surprised Jenny wasn't elected president by write-in ballot.
 
2013-02-09 11:50:29 AM
I see the Big Pharma hate is alive and well across the pond.
 
2013-02-09 11:50:45 AM

simplicimus: Lurk sober post drunk: xria: Just in case anyone still has the mistaken impression that measles isn't a killer disease - 158,000 die a year from it still (mostly children, and mostly in low income countries without widespread vaccination) - given population growth the 2.6 million mostly children than died per year before widespread vaccinations started in the 1980s would now equate to more than 4 million children dying each year.

So campaigning against measles vaccination without knowing what you are talking about statistically makes you worse than Hitler - especially as at least his efforts weren't specifically targeting children for mass slaughter.

but jenny said it'd make my kid artistic.  you know, limp wrist and all that.  he's a real man, don't need no vitamins and crap.

So, dead is better than autistic?


www.wearysloth.com
sometimes dead is better.
 
2013-02-09 11:51:55 AM
Want to see one of the anti-vaccination mothers go absolutely insane?

Tell them the following...

The "R" in "MMR" stands for Rubella. Rubella is not a particularly dangerous disease to humans. It does however cause horrific problems for pregnancies. I won't bore you with the details of just what could have happened to your child if you had contracted rubella while pregnant, but suffice to say as you look upon your healthy non-malformed child you should be damn happy enough people have that vaccine that you were not exposed to rubella. Now I'd like to ask you that if your child contracts that disease and exposes a pregnant woman who had the vaccination but was unfortunate enough to have it not work, as will happen with vaccinations, how long you will be sorry for the problem you created and think about how you would feel if that was your child.
 
2013-02-09 11:52:56 AM
I'd like to think Jenny McCarthy is just ignorant, because you can fix that with some effort, but she's also proud.  It's  dangerous combination, because no one likes being told they are wrong, and she's built herself a nice little cash flow off of vaccination fear.
 
2013-02-09 11:55:05 AM
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But but but.... derp
1.bp.blogspot.com
Vaccines are full of......
assets.speedtv.com
 
2013-02-09 11:55:59 AM
Jenny McCarthy, please report to my masturbatorium.
 
2013-02-09 11:57:28 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Holy hell, the comments on that article are filled with teh derpitty derp.


I know. I'm tempted to give 'em the verbal smackdown with facts and stuff, then I remembered "they're Brits or some crap and my accent is too California, so they'd like totally not understand PROPER Californese English." Facts rarely persuade people with that much derpitty derp anyway. Matter of fact, I've never seen it happen.

So, let the War on Herd Immunity rage on, I guess.
 
2013-02-09 11:59:44 AM
Our pediatrician's office has a sign posted that basically states, We Vaccinate - if you disagree find another doctor.  I smile every time I see it.

I would like to take Jenny on a tour of that office, I'm sure she would be welcomed there.
 
2013-02-09 12:00:05 PM
Mommy intuition! Away!
 
2013-02-09 12:00:47 PM

soupafi: Am I a asshat if I hope her kids get the measles?


Yes. It's not their fault that their mom is a sociopathic moran. If they grow up the same way, then you can wish deadly yet preventable diseases of all kinds on them without being labeled "asshat" by some of us.
 
2013-02-09 12:01:51 PM

llort dam eht: Our pediatrician's office has a sign posted that basically states, We Vaccinate - if you disagree find another doctor.  I smile every time I see it.

I would like to take Jenny on a tour of that office, I'm sure she would be welcomed there.


Were I a parent, I think I would take comfort in knowing that all of the patients there were vaccinated, and my child was exponentially less likely to be exposed.
 
2013-02-09 12:02:49 PM

Crewmannumber6: Free Radical: World needs less people. Especially stupid ones so I'm fine with this.

Overpopulation: Just enough of me, way too much of you


P.J.? Didn't know you're a Farker.
 
2013-02-09 12:04:17 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Obligatory.


Yeah, but how many of those kids are autistic?

/DIAF JMcC
 
2013-02-09 12:09:53 PM
What's wrong with being artistic? If you ask me, we need more healthy artists out there, not the  wheezing fundy Christian tea partying-inhaler- huffing- pock-marked- leg braced posers who we're settling for these days. I say shoot up!

media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-09 12:10:16 PM
I blame WebMd.

Seriously, I do put some of the blame on sites that lead people to believe that reading a few brief paragraphs, written by a questionable source, is a worthwhile substitute for a doctor's advice. Yes, there are quack docs and all that, but there are also a huge number of terrific ones. Yet, the clueless flock to listen to a 2 bit actress and playboy playmate with not even a portion of a degree in healthcare (she studied to be a nurse, but dropped out).

So yeah, I blame WebMD.....then again, sites like WebMD exist because stupid anti-vaccs demand to have a place that confirm their less then well thought out beliefs.

It is chicken and egg at the same time.
 
2013-02-09 12:12:49 PM

BumpInTheNight: *patiently waits for the lone anti-vaxxer farker and all his alts to show up*


I think he's busy in the comments section of the article:

More children die from vaccinations than they do of measles, mumps and rubella

Far too many people here who have never checked their facts independently - well away from those funded by drug companies!

Why do people simply believe all they are told without checking the FACTS themselves? If they did this they would see that Dr Wakefield far from being a quack is actually correct and the big pharma comapnies have conspired to have his work rubbished as it threatens their biggest earners - vaccinations! NEVER believe anything without checking the facts independently!
 
2013-02-09 12:14:00 PM
Too bad it doesn't cause sterility, you could stop the lineage of stupidity.
 
2013-02-09 12:16:14 PM
How has she not been sued to death over this?
 
2013-02-09 12:16:49 PM

homelessdude: I blame WebMd.

Seriously, I do put some of the blame on sites that lead people to believe that reading a few brief paragraphs, written by a questionable source, is a worthwhile substitute for a doctor's advice. Yes, there are quack docs and all that, but there are also a huge number of terrific ones. Yet, the clueless flock to listen to a 2 bit actress and playboy playmate with not even a portion of a degree in healthcare (she studied to be a nurse, but dropped out).

So yeah, I blame WebMD.....then again, sites like WebMD exist because stupid anti-vaccs demand to have a place that confirm their less then well thought out beliefs.

It is chicken and egg at the same time.


I'm all for patients and patents reading and being informed. One problem is there is so much bad information and so many speak so authoritatively when they're not qualified to do so, and the average person can't determine which information is good and which is crap. It also drives me crazy when someone reads three websites and calls that "doing a lot of research."
 
2013-02-09 12:18:12 PM

RINO: BumpInTheNight: *patiently waits for the lone anti-vaxxer farker and all his alts to show up*

I think he's busy in the comments section of the article:

More children die from vaccinations than they do of measles, mumps and rubella

Far too many people here who have never checked their facts independently - well away from those funded by drug companies!

Why do people simply believe all they are told without checking the FACTS themselves? If they did this they would see that Dr Wakefield far from being a quack is actually correct and the big pharma comapnies have conspired to have his work rubbished as it threatens their biggest earners - vaccinations! NEVER believe anything without checking the facts independently!


That's certainly the M.O.
Reference words like research and facts but only when particular results fall inline with the his emotional reaction to capitalism.
 
2013-02-09 12:19:41 PM

Free Radical: World needs less people. Especially stupid ones so I'm fine with this.


So when are you checking out?

I mean, I can only assume you're one of the "stupid ones" since you apparently have no idea what happens to a population, especially otherwise healthy members who didn't choose to be ineligible to receive the vaccine, when too few eligible members choose to receive it.
 
2013-02-09 12:21:54 PM

ladyfortuna: How has she not been sued to death over this?


Everything comes with a "seek the advice of a medical professional, this is only opinion and should not be considered medical advice" disclaimer?
 
2013-02-09 12:25:17 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: soupafi: Am I a asshat if I hope her kids get the measles?

Yes. It's not their fault that their mom is a sociopathic moran. If they grow up the same way, then you can wish deadly yet preventable diseases of all kinds on them without being labeled "asshat" by some of us.


Meh.  What about the innocent kids out there suffering because of her parenting and celebrity/wealth, that has allowed her to live a comfy life and pollute the minds of others with deadly ideas?

I don't wish death on her kids, but if they get sick because of her negligence, and it prevents further harm to even a few other kids by undermining her credibility, why isn't it worth it?
 
2013-02-09 12:29:28 PM

meat0918: ladyfortuna: How has she not been sued to death over this?

Everything comes with a "seek the advice of a medical professional, this is only opinion and should not be considered medical advice" disclaimer?


Even advice from porn stars?
 
2013-02-09 12:30:40 PM

You Idiots: Jenny McCarthy, please report to my masturbatorium.


Gross

That woman is vile and you should feel bad.
 
2013-02-09 12:31:08 PM

ladyfortuna: meat0918: ladyfortuna: How has she not been sued to death over this?

Everything comes with a "seek the advice of a medical professional, this is only opinion and should not be considered medical advice" disclaimer?

Even advice from porn stars?


Its okay to go ATM, really.
 
2013-02-09 12:34:43 PM

homelessdude: I blame WebMd.

Seriously, I do put some of the blame on sites that lead people to believe that reading a few brief paragraphs, written by a questionable source, is a worthwhile substitute for a doctor's advice. Yes, there are quack docs and all that, but there are also a huge number of terrific ones. Yet, the clueless flock to listen to a 2 bit actress and playboy playmate with not even a portion of a degree in healthcare (she studied to be a nurse, but dropped out).

So yeah, I blame WebMD.....then again, sites like WebMD exist because stupid anti-vaccs demand to have a place that confirm their less then well thought out beliefs.

It is chicken and egg at the same time.


You can't blame the blurb format for the dummies that read incorrect blurbs from bad sources.

The problem is anecdotal evidence and advice on medical message boards, which are full of hypochondriacs and worst-case-scenarios.  Message boards are for complaining fanatics FAR more than they are for the praise of balanced people, who generally just go on with their lives rather than scouring the internet for partners in misery, or some place to vent.

Name just about any medical symptom and in 5 minutes of searching you can probably find a link between it and least 50 different conditions (many serious), multiple cautionary tales of failed treatments and horrific side-effects, and then nearly as many testimonials stating the exact opposite.
 
2013-02-09 12:37:55 PM
Paragraph two: "potentially deadly". Paragraph nine: "can kill". Paragraph ten: "can lead to death". Paragraph twenty-four: "potentially lethal".
 The twenty-fifth and final paragraph: "However, there have not been any deaths for several years." They say that like they're disappointed by it.
 
2013-02-09 12:38:05 PM
I once said that too much information can be a bad thing. This is a prime example of someone getting their hands on bad info and then spreading it around without doing further research. Especially since the Dr who wrote the report has been soundly discredited.

When the Polio vaccine came out, there were some folks who weren't going to let their kids be vaccinated so the government made it mandatory, especially if you wanted your kid to go to school. I guess the Civil Rights Lawyers got that stopped.

Then again, I recall when seatbelts were introduced -- and even though the public was heavily educated on what happened in a car wreck if you were unbelted, there were those who were firmly against them. The government had to make it a law to use them and some car makers designed 'automatic belts' to secure you in when you closed the car door.

My Mom was never vaccinated for Measles, since growing up, they did not have a vaccine. She was lucky enough to never catch the disease -- until she got pregnant with my little brother. Even with all of us older kids having them, she somehow escaped. She did make sure all of us kids got every vaccine as soon as they came out.

When my brother was born, he wound up with a malformed hand due to the Measles which, over the years, required surgery to get it to work right. By the time he was 19, we discovered he also had scoliosis -- a chronic bend in the spine, suspected to have been caused by the effects of the disease.

When in his 40's, he had to have surgery to correct it as much as they could since it kept getting worse. Basically, Dr.s opened him up from the nap of his neck to the top of his butt and installed what looks like a huge bicycle chain to stop the curve. (He actually gained an inch or so in height.)

All due to measles.

Now, they've found a link between Chicken Pox and shingles -- a nasty, painful intermittently occurring nerve disease which usually strikes a person over 40.

They also now have a vaccine for Chicken Pox that they didn't when I was a kid. I had the disease way back then, so I have the virus floating around in my system. I just hope it never activates.

I also recall when seeing bowlegged kids in school was not uncommon. Ricketts. Caused by not enough calcium and vitamin D. The leg bones were soft. The Government wiped that out by providing vitamin D enhanced milk cheaply for the schools.

Now, whole milk isn't even listed on the food pyramid and is advertised almost as if it is poison.

The herd mentality of people tends to irritate me.
 
2013-02-09 12:43:34 PM

lordjupiter: Name just about any medical symptom and in 5 minutes of searching you can probably find a link between it and least 50 different conditions (many serious), multiple cautionary tales of failed treatments and horrific side-effects, and then nearly as many testimonials stating the exact opposite.



heh heh......like?.............(note the results #)

s20.postimage.org
 
2013-02-09 12:43:50 PM
Somewhere, there's a pleasantly lit room with a nice round table. A bunch of people, mostly men, from various walks of life - but all wealthy - are agreeing that there's only one way to save America. There are too many ignorant, passive people. The greatness of what once was American ingenuity has been smothered by folks who live by superstition and ignorance and "common sense."

Like a 5-man lifeboat with 10 people aboard, the only right answer is that some people have to leave, or they all perish sooner or later.

And so we get crap like this in our media, and refusal of universal health care. From the upper level, looking down, the only way to thin the herd is to let it happen.
 
2013-02-09 12:47:01 PM

dmax: Somewhere, there's a pleasantly lit room with a nice round table. A bunch of people, mostly men, from various walks of life - but all wealthy - are agreeing that there's only one way to save America. There are too many ignorant, passive people. The greatness of what once was American ingenuity has been smothered by folks who live by superstition and ignorance and "common sense."

Like a 5-man lifeboat with 10 people aboard, the only right answer is that some people have to leave, or they all perish sooner or later.

And so we get crap like this in our media, and refusal of universal health care. From the upper level, looking down, the only way to thin the herd is to let it happen.


and those men are idiots for using that as a solutions since they should realize damn well that those types of people breed like rabbits and over-take darwinism by sheer numbers.
 
2013-02-09 12:49:26 PM
came here for McCarthy pics. leaving w both hands in pockets
 
2013-02-09 12:53:54 PM

You Idiots: Jenny McCarthy, please report to my masturbatorium.


Dude, we're old, it's not 1997 anymore.  I lost all interest in having that coont in my masturbatorium when I saw an article where she detailed how she successfully copes with IBS, it was the cover story.  If that's your thing then dream away I guess.....

/That's it, harder, harder, fastOMGGETOFFMEIHAVETOPOOP
 
2013-02-09 12:54:54 PM

billygeek: came here for McCarthy pics. leaving w both hands in pockets


Fine, here you go.
a5.mndcdn.com
 
2013-02-09 12:56:38 PM

billygeek: came here for McCarthy pics. leaving w both hands in pockets


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-09 12:59:36 PM
"way back when" - two of my grandmother's siblings died from complications from the first round of polio vaccines - none of them saw a doctor for the duration they were still at home because their daddy was suspicious

when i came up, we ALL got vaccinated - and some of us have cigar-shaped upper arm scars from it - it was not open to discussion - and there was no internet to say different

when my son came up, my mother started this jenny bs - well - i've read - yeah, no mom
if i got it, so will he - for the same reasons you told me about losing your uncles - she also fought me on anti-malaria meds when he went out of county (and is shocked malaria is showing up in the US!!)

this makes me angry on so many levels - esp when childhood illnesses may end up coming back and crippling other people who you, as a parent, didn't even think about. its selfishness beyond the pale

grrrrr
 
2013-02-09 01:07:49 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Holy hell, the comments on that article are filled with teh derpitty derp.

I know. I'm tempted to give 'em the verbal smackdown with facts and stuff, then I remembered "they're Brits or some crap and my accent is too California, so they'd like totally not understand PROPER Californese English." Facts rarely persuade people with that much derpitty derp anyway. Matter of fact, I've never seen it happen.

So, let the War on Herd Immunity™ rage on, I guess.


You're probably right.  You should just take Canyon View Drive over to San Vesentay and make a left and get on the 405 North from there and get off at Mulhollen.
 
2013-02-09 01:08:23 PM
I find it amusing that Jenny McCarthy admits she tried to have sex with a tree while on Ecstasy and was heavy into the drug party crowd.  Who knows how many brain cells and chromosomes she fried due to heavy drug use.  However, her own poor lifestyle choices certainly COULDN'T be a contributing factor to her kid getting autism!  It HAS to be somebody else's fault.  I hope one day she has a moment of clarity and realizes the damage she is doing and accepts some responsibility for her own actions.
 
2013-02-09 01:09:56 PM

meanmutton: Hey, I'm right there with the Jenny McCarthy hate but let's be honest here: this anti vaccination bullshiat comes from antiscientific world views. It's not just the far right's views on evolution and global warming but also the far left's views on nuclear energy, genetically modified food, organics, "toxins", and this idiotic, all pervasive anti vaccine stuff that it killing children.


Very well put.
 
2013-02-09 01:10:34 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: soupafi: Am I a asshat if I hope her kids get the measles?

Yes. It's not their fault that their mom is a sociopathic moran. If they grow up the same way, then you can wish deadly yet preventable diseases of all kinds on them without being labeled "asshat" by some of us.


I'm going to have to disagree with you. It would be unfortunate for them if they were to die of measles, and they don't deserve it, but it would send a hell of a message to these idiots and it would probably save numerous lives. For the greater good and all that.
 
2013-02-09 01:10:39 PM

lordjupiter: Real Women Drink Akvavit: soupafi: Am I a asshat if I hope her kids get the measles?

Yes. It's not their fault that their mom is a sociopathic moran. If they grow up the same way, then you can wish deadly yet preventable diseases of all kinds on them without being labeled "asshat" by some of us.

Meh.  What about the innocent kids out there suffering because of her parenting and celebrity/wealth, that has allowed her to live a comfy life and pollute the minds of others with deadly ideas?

I don't wish death on her kids, but if they get sick because of her negligence, and it prevents further harm to even a few other kids by undermining her credibility, why isn't it worth it?


It's an aweful thing to imagine for an innocent child to die for a cause, but if the horrid did happen and one of her children did die of measles- it would go a long way to stoping this irresponsible movement that threatens humanity
 
2013-02-09 01:11:45 PM
BumpInTheNight:
and those men are idiots for using that as a solutions since they should realize damn well that those types of people breed like rabbits and over-take darwinism by sheer numbers.

I don't think you understand the magnitude of what can happen through the population without vaccine.

Examples: Flu epidemic kills 50 million.
One in 750 children once died from whooping cough.
There used to be 10,000 deaths a year from diphtheria, 1,000 deaths fromHaemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) meningitis, and about 1 to 3 deaths out of every 1,000 cases of measles.

A quick summary.
 
2013-02-09 01:15:41 PM

Lurk sober post drunk: xria: Just in case anyone still has the mistaken impression that measles isn't a killer disease - 158,000 die a year from it still (mostly children, and mostly in low income countries without widespread vaccination) - given population growth the 2.6 million mostly children than died per year before widespread vaccinations started in the 1980s would now equate to more than 4 million children dying each year.

So campaigning against measles vaccination without knowing what you are talking about statistically makes you worse than Hitler - especially as at least his efforts weren't specifically targeting children for mass slaughter.

but jenny said it'd make my kid artistic.  you know, limp wrist and all that.  he's a real man, don't need no vitamins and crap.


GAY != ARTISTIC!
WAAAHH!!
 
2013-02-09 01:17:30 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Lurk sober post drunk: xria: Just in case anyone still has the mistaken impression that measles isn't a killer disease - 158,000 die a year from it still (mostly children, and mostly in low income countries without widespread vaccination) - given population growth the 2.6 million mostly children than died per year before widespread vaccinations started in the 1980s would now equate to more than 4 million children dying each year.

So campaigning against measles vaccination without knowing what you are talking about statistically makes you worse than Hitler - especially as at least his efforts weren't specifically targeting children for mass slaughter.

but jenny said it'd make my kid artistic.  you know, limp wrist and all that.  he's a real man, don't need no vitamins and crap.

GAY != ARTISTIC!
WAAAHH!!


"My 3 yr old son is gay and we love him even more because he doesn't RAPE"

/obscure ?
 
2013-02-09 01:17:59 PM

dmax: BumpInTheNight:
and those men are idiots for using that as a solutions since they should realize damn well that those types of people breed like rabbits and over-take darwinism by sheer numbers.

I don't think you understand the magnitude of what can happen through the population without vaccine.

Examples: Flu epidemic kills 50 million.
One in 750 children once died from whooping cough.
There used to be 10,000 deaths a year from diphtheria, 1,000 deaths fromHaemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) meningitis, and about 1 to 3 deaths out of every 1,000 cases of measles.

A quick summary.


and yet human population is over all a constant growth path despite wars, plagues and the rest of the crap that should in theory wipe us all out.  Never underestimate the persistence of stupid breeders.
 
2013-02-09 01:22:27 PM
BumpInTheNight:
and yet human population is over all a constant growth path despite wars, plagues and the rest of the crap that should in theory wipe us all out.  Never underestimate the persistence of stupid breeders.
 
2013-02-09 01:25:42 PM

BumpInTheNight: and yet human population is over all a constant growth path despite wars, plagues and the rest of the crap that should in theory wipe us all out.




Never underestimate the persistence of stupid breeders.
 
2013-02-09 01:25:54 PM
I was discussing this with one of my neighbors the other day. To my surprise, he's against vaccines. The more he babbled about vaccinations killing more people than disease, the dumber and dumber he looked. It was like he was de-evolving in front of me. From man to monkey in just a few derp-filled sentences.
 
2013-02-09 01:27:12 PM

dmax: BumpInTheNight:
and yet human population is over all a constant growth path despite wars, plagues and the rest of the crap that should in theory wipe us all out.  Never underestimate the persistence of stupid breeders.


But we're not on a constant growth path either.
I'm a stupid breeder - screwed up the image URL.
Here's the website instead.
But we're too far off topic. The moral of the story is that there's a societal drive to let those who want to shorten their lives - to do it. The planet cannot sustain an infinite number of people; there is a limit.
 
2013-02-09 01:28:18 PM
Damn. Wikipedia is not my friend.
Never mind.
 
2013-02-09 01:41:46 PM

lordjupiter: homelessdude: I blame WebMd.

Seriously, I do put some of the blame on sites that lead people to believe that reading a few brief paragraphs, written by a questionable source, is a worthwhile substitute for a doctor's advice. Yes, there are quack docs and all that, but there are also a huge number of terrific ones. Yet, the clueless flock to listen to a 2 bit actress and playboy playmate with not even a portion of a degree in healthcare (she studied to be a nurse, but dropped out).

So yeah, I blame WebMD.....then again, sites like WebMD exist because stupid anti-vaccs demand to have a place that confirm their less then well thought out beliefs.

It is chicken and egg at the same time.

You can't blame the blurb format for the dummies that read incorrect blurbs from bad sources.

The problem is anecdotal evidence and advice on medical message boards, which are full of hypochondriacs and worst-case-scenarios.  Message boards are for complaining fanatics FAR more than they are for the praise of balanced people, who generally just go on with their lives rather than scouring the internet for partners in misery, or some place to vent.

Name just about any medical symptom and in 5 minutes of searching you can probably find a link between it and least 50 different conditions (many serious), multiple cautionary tales of failed treatments and horrific side-effects, and then nearly as many testimonials stating the exact opposite.


I've always liked how if I'm a symptom, I'll google it and the results page will be mostly something minor. But I'll see that one that's always cancer, and most of the time it's WebMD. Even if the symptom is just a stubbed toe.

Besides, one day I put in a bunch of stupid symptoms and I was diagnosed as being immature.
 
2013-02-09 01:44:17 PM

amquelbettamin: lordjupiter: Real Women Drink Akvavit: soupafi: Am I a asshat if I hope her kids get the measles?

Yes. It's not their fault that their mom is a sociopathic moran. If they grow up the same way, then you can wish deadly yet preventable diseases of all kinds on them without being labeled "asshat" by some of us.

Meh.  What about the innocent kids out there suffering because of her parenting and celebrity/wealth, that has allowed her to live a comfy life and pollute the minds of others with deadly ideas?

I don't wish death on her kids, but if they get sick because of her negligence, and it prevents further harm to even a few other kids by undermining her credibility, why isn't it worth it?

It's an aweful thing to imagine for an innocent child to die for a cause, but if the horrid did happen and one of her children did die of measles- it would go a long way to stoping this irresponsible movement that threatens humanity


I agree, and let me add that in a sense the anti-vaxxers COULD be condemning innocent people to death when their own paranoia contributes to the spread of these diseases.  Providing a host for the continued spread of a preventable disease by refusing a generally safe innoculation based on wacky theories is one step away from intentionally infecting someone with it.

People who say "DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO WITH MY BODY!!" are missing this point.  It's not all about you and your confirmation bias regarding flu shots, or your fear of needles or mercury or whatever the boogeyman happens to be.  You are a regressive element in society.
 
2013-02-09 01:48:30 PM
A very good explanation of how all this hooh-hah started, and why Wakefield deserves to be lynched.

http://tallguywrites.livejournal.com/148012.html
 
2013-02-09 01:50:49 PM

meanmutton: Hey, I'm right there with the Jenny McCarthy hate but let's be honest here: this anti vaccination bullshiat comes from antiscientific world views. It's not just the far right's views on evolution and global warming but also the far left's views on nuclear energy, genetically modified food, organics, "toxins", and this idiotic, all pervasive anti vaccine stuff that it killing children.


Ever read the book "science left behind:feel good fallacies and the rise of the anti-scientific left"-it's pretty good.

I work in a microbiology lab doing food testing, I get to actually see how much contamination is in the food supply, and how little HACCP training a lot of "small, organic, family farms/food producers" actually have. We're currently trying to help a small(organic) cheese company with a contamination problem stemming from the cheesemakers NOT WASHING THEIR HANDS PROPERLY! Seriously, it's disgusting, as is the fact that they eschew traditional cleaning products for more "natural" alternatives that don't work very well at all.
 
2013-02-09 01:54:14 PM

lordjupiter: amquelbettamin: lordjupiter: Real Women Drink Akvavit: soupafi: Am I a asshat if I hope her kids get the measles?

Yes. It's not their fault that their mom is a sociopathic moran. If they grow up the same way, then you can wish deadly yet preventable diseases of all kinds on them without being labeled "asshat" by some of us.

Meh.  What about the innocent kids out there suffering because of her parenting and celebrity/wealth, that has allowed her to live a comfy life and pollute the minds of others with deadly ideas?

I don't wish death on her kids, but if they get sick because of her negligence, and it prevents further harm to even a few other kids by undermining her credibility, why isn't it worth it?

It's an aweful thing to imagine for an innocent child to die for a cause, but if the horrid did happen and one of her children did die of measles- it would go a long way to stoping this irresponsible movement that threatens humanity

I agree, and let me add that in a sense the anti-vaxxers COULD be condemning innocent people to death when their own paranoia contributes to the spread of these diseases.  Providing a host for the continued spread of a preventable disease by refusing a generally safe innoculation based on wacky theories is one step away from intentionally infecting someone with it.

People who say "DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO WITH MY BODY!!" are missing this point.  It's not all about you and your confirmation bias regarding flu shots, or your fear of needles or mercury or whatever the boogeyman happens to be.  You are a regressive element in society.


There are foundations (Gates for example) that are trying to eliminate certain diseases with vaccinations in third world countries. Rich first world idiot mothers are undermining this effort!
 
2013-02-09 01:55:16 PM
No amount of Statistics, decades of investigative reports or common sense will sway minds fixated on vaccines.

Inject your children with God knows what and hope this doesn't happen. Remember, hope really really hard ...

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html
 
2013-02-09 01:56:23 PM
In part responsibility rests in the pseudo scientism that has embraced our culture. People think they are scientifically literate, but themselves don't know how to investigate and research data correctly. The CNN and mainstream sciency articles and online info convince some they have the ability to discern the data. And our culture has confused science with our society and think they are inherently good at it. Science isn't a belief system. One does not "believe" in evolution, for example, yet you will hear it everywhere. This pseudo science confuses the science as a tool with science as a belief. So when McCarthy and others read a few articles noting thimerisol in antibiotics, they don't have the scientific vey to examine research clearly denoting its rapid removal from the body combined with limited uptake.
 
2013-02-09 02:02:04 PM
I have big tits, therefore I know about stuff.

www.celebritymoviezone.com
 
2013-02-09 02:02:28 PM

BlaqueKatt: meanmutton: Hey, I'm right there with the Jenny McCarthy hate but let's be honest here: this anti vaccination bullshiat comes from antiscientific world views. It's not just the far right's views on evolution and global warming but also the far left's views on nuclear energy, genetically modified food, organics, "toxins", and this idiotic, all pervasive anti vaccine stuff that it killing children.

Ever read the book "science left behind:feel good fallacies and the rise of the anti-scientific left"-it's pretty good.

I work in a microbiology lab doing food testing, I get to actually see how much contamination is in the food supply, and how little HACCP training a lot of "small, organic, family farms/food producers" actually have. We're currently trying to help a small(organic) cheese company with a contamination problem stemming from the cheesemakers NOT WASHING THEIR HANDS PROPERLY! Seriously, it's disgusting, as is the fact that they eschew traditional cleaning products for more "natural" alternatives that don't work very well at all.


It's paranoia in general.  It's anti-science on the right, and anti-business on the left.   Both have elements of anti-authoritarianism.

If you're into cigars and whiskey because they're "natural", while pasteurizing milk is an unhealthy abomination, you're a farking kook and you're doing it wrong.  (true story alert)
 
2013-02-09 02:05:04 PM
You gotta love the lack of bias in the article, particularly this little piece o' BS...

"This will include some whose parents feared the safety of the jab, following research by Dr Andrew Wakefield linking it to bowel problems and autism. This work has since been roundly discredited."

Wakefield has not been discredited. Saying he was doesn't make it so.

For you folks who believe essentially anything spewed by the MSM, nothing I say will make a difference, but for those of you who have the ability to think critically, dig deeper. Find out the exact percentage of those with measles who were and were not vaccinated, then take a look at other outbreaks and find out the percentages there. Primary sources, folks. Good luck with that. If you like reading, check out Neil Z. Miller's research.

For those of you who rag on Jenny McCarthy, I seriously doubt you have any more credibility than her, or that you've looked into ASD as much as she has. You see a headline, or a two-minute hit piece and you think you're informed. Wake the crap up, you ignorant fools. If you have a child with autism, you know the exact day things went south, and I bet it was the day after the MMR.

WAKE UP!!!

FU, subby

/as per usual, I don't read replies to my comments, so don't waste your time
 
2013-02-09 02:07:38 PM

GandalfTheWhite: You gotta love the lack of bias in the article, particularly this little piece o' BS...

"This will include some whose parents feared the safety of the jab, following research by Dr Andrew Wakefield linking it to bowel problems and autism. This work has since been roundly discredited."

Wakefield has not been discredited. Saying he was doesn't make it so.

For you folks who believe essentially anything spewed by the MSM, nothing I say will make a difference, but for those of you who have the ability to think critically, dig deeper. Find out the exact percentage of those with measles who were and were not vaccinated, then take a look at other outbreaks and find out the percentages there. Primary sources, folks. Good luck with that. If you like reading, check out Neil Z. Miller's research.

For those of you who rag on Jenny McCarthy, I seriously doubt you have any more credibility than her, or that you've looked into ASD as much as she has. You see a headline, or a two-minute hit piece and you think you're informed. Wake the crap up, you ignorant fools. If you have a child with autism, you know the exact day things went south, and I bet it was the day after the MMR.

WAKE UP!!!

FU, subby

/as per usual, I don't read replies to my comments, so don't waste your time


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-09 02:08:01 PM

GandalfTheWhite: You gotta love the lack of bias in the article, particularly this little piece o' BS...

"This will include some whose parents feared the safety of the jab, following research by Dr Andrew Wakefield linking it to bowel problems and autism. This work has since been roundly discredited."

Wakefield has not been discredited. Saying he was doesn't make it so.

For you folks who believe essentially anything spewed by the MSM, nothing I say will make a difference, but for those of you who have the ability to think critically, dig deeper. Find out the exact percentage of those with measles who were and were not vaccinated, then take a look at other outbreaks and find out the percentages there. Primary sources, folks. Good luck with that. If you like reading, check out Neil Z. Miller's research.

For those of you who rag on Jenny McCarthy, I seriously doubt you have any more credibility than her, or that you've looked into ASD as much as she has. You see a headline, or a two-minute hit piece and you think you're informed. Wake the crap up, you ignorant fools. If you have a child with autism, you know the exact day things went south, and I bet it was the day after the MMR.

WAKE UP!!!

FU, subby

/as per usual, I don't read replies to my comments, so don't waste your time


Don't you hate a guy who farts and leaves the room?
 
2013-02-09 02:10:38 PM
lordjupiter:
It's paranoia in general.  It's anti-science on the right, and anti-business on the left.   Both have elements of anti-authoritarianism.

There's anti-science on both sides, they're just anti-science about different things.  Evolution and AGW on the right, and natural/organic crap on the left.

If you're into cigars and whiskey because they're "natural", while pasteurizing milk is an unhealthy abomination, you're a farking kook and you're doing it wrong.  (true story alert)

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-09 02:18:42 PM

GandalfTheWhite: You gotta love the lack of bias in the article, particularly this little piece o' BS...

"This will include some whose parents feared the safety of the jab, following research by Dr Andrew Wakefield linking it to bowel problems and autism. This work has since been roundly discredited."

Wakefield has not been discredited. Saying he was doesn't make it so.


On 28 January 2010, a five-member statutory tribunal of the GMC (British General Medical Council) found three dozen charges proved, including four counts of dishonesty and 12 counts involving the abuse of developmentally challenged children.  The panel ruled that Wakefield had "failed in his duties as a responsible consultant", acted both against the interests of his patients, and "dishonestly and irresponsibly" in his published research.  The Lancet immediately and fully retracted his 1998 publication on the basis of the GMC's findings, noting that elements of the manuscript had been falsified.  Wakefield was struck off the Medical Register in May 2010, with a statement identifying dishonest falsification in The Lancet research, and is barred from practising medicine in the UK.

That sounds pretty discredited to me...
 
2013-02-09 02:25:35 PM
She's so dumb.
I forget, what is it that really does cause autism again?
 
2013-02-09 02:34:53 PM

thepostess: Jenny McCarthy is a vapid, stupid woman.


There are any other kind ?
 
2013-02-09 02:37:09 PM

meanmutton: Hey, I'm right there with the Jenny McCarthy hate but let's be honest here: this anti vaccination bullshiat comes from antiscientific world views. It's not just the far right's views on evolution and global warming but also the far left's views on nuclear energy, genetically modified food, organics, "toxins", and this idiotic, all pervasive anti vaccine stuff that it killing children.


I don't know what far left you're talking to, but the far left I know has a problem with GMOs  because they aren't studied properly. When you have every single cell of a corn kernel releasing pesticides, you actually need to study the effect of huge doses on pesticides in humans long-term.

/If you're going to play the 'both sides are bad' card, get both sides right.
 
2013-02-09 02:42:29 PM

GandalfTheWhite: You gotta love the lack of bias in the article, particularly this little piece o' BS...
"This will include some whose parents feared the safety of the jab, following research by Dr Andrew Wakefield linking it to bowel problems and autism. This work has since been roundly discredited."
Wakefield has not been discredited. Saying he was doesn't make it so.
For you folks who believe essentially anything spewed by the MSM, nothing I say will make a difference, but for those of you who have the ability to think critically, dig deeper. Find out the exact percentage of those with measles who were and were not vaccinated, then take a look at other outbreaks and find out the percentages there. Primary sources, folks. Good luck with that. If you like reading, check out Neil Z. Miller's research.
For those of you who rag on Jenny McCarthy, I seriously doubt you have any more credibility than her, or that you've looked into ASD as much as she has. You see a headline, or a two-minute hit piece and you think you're informed. Wake the crap up, you ignorant fools. If you have a child with autism, you know the exact day things went south, and I bet it was the day after the MMR.
WAKE UP!!!
FU, subby

hotchinesemustard.com

/as per usual, I don't read
 
2013-02-09 02:42:52 PM

amquelbettamin: lordjupiter: Real Women Drink Akvavit: soupafi: Am I a asshat if I hope her kids get the measles?

Yes. It's not their fault that their mom is a sociopathic moran. If they grow up the same way, then you can wish deadly yet preventable diseases of all kinds on them without being labeled "asshat" by some of us.

Meh.  What about the innocent kids out there suffering because of her parenting and celebrity/wealth, that has allowed her to live a comfy life and pollute the minds of others with deadly ideas?

I don't wish death on her kids, but if they get sick because of her negligence, and it prevents further harm to even a few other kids by undermining her credibility, why isn't it worth it?

It's an aweful thing to imagine for an innocent child to die for a cause, but if the horrid did happen and one of her children did die of measles- it would go a long way to stoping this irresponsible movement that threatens humanity


No it wouldn't. How often do you see conspiracy theorists just give up the fight? It would be explained away as an anomaly or labeled as a false flag operation by Big Pharma which proved how right Jenny McCarthy wa after all!
 
2013-02-09 02:45:00 PM

Arnprior Joe: lordjupiter:
It's paranoia in general.  It's anti-science on the right, and anti-business on the left.   Both have elements of anti-authoritarianism.

There's anti-science on both sides, they're just anti-science about different things.  Evolution and AGW on the right, and natural/organic crap on the left.



It's about the origins of the distrust, not just the overall effect of them being considered "anti-science" when they find themselves, via different routes, opposing something scientific.

 
2013-02-09 02:45:45 PM

GandalfTheWhite: You gotta love the lack of bias in the article, particularly this little piece o' BS...

"This will include some whose parents feared the safety of the jab, following research by Dr Andrew Wakefield linking it to bowel problems and autism. This work has since been roundly discredited."

Wakefield has not been discredited. Saying he was doesn't make it so.

For you folks who believe essentially anything spewed by the MSM, nothing I say will make a difference, but for those of you who have the ability to think critically, dig deeper. Find out the exact percentage of those with measles who were and were not vaccinated, then take a look at other outbreaks and find out the percentages there. Primary sources, folks. Good luck with that. If you like reading, check out Neil Z. Miller's research.

For those of you who rag on Jenny McCarthy, I seriously doubt you have any more credibility than her, or that you've looked into ASD as much as she has. You see a headline, or a two-minute hit piece and you think you're informed. Wake the crap up, you ignorant fools. If you have a child with autism, you know the exact day things went south, and I bet it was the day after the MMR.

WAKE UP!!!

FU, subby

/as per usual, I don't read replies to my comments, so don't waste your time


He hasn't been discredited at all, aside from no longer Having a medical license.
 
2013-02-09 02:46:19 PM
Nice mumps

www.totalpackers.com
 
2013-02-09 02:49:08 PM
When Ace Ventura gets tired of your crazy ass, you're driving the nut wagon.
 
2013-02-09 02:49:53 PM

doubled99: She's so dumb.
I forget, what is it that really does cause autism again?


What types? Autism covers a broad spectrum of disorders. If you are serious, start here.


Even better just look at what they say about vaccinations. Yes, Jenny is an uninformed twit.
 
2013-02-09 03:12:08 PM
i2.listal.com
 
2013-02-09 03:12:29 PM

PsiChick: meanmutton: Hey, I'm right there with the Jenny McCarthy hate but let's be honest here: this anti vaccination bullshiat comes from antiscientific world views. It's not just the far right's views on evolution and global warming but also the far left's views on nuclear energy, genetically modified food, organics, "toxins", and this idiotic, all pervasive anti vaccine stuff that it killing children.

I don't know what far left you're talking to, but the far left I know has a problem with GMOs  because they aren't studied properly. When you have every single cell of a corn kernel releasing pesticides, you actually need to study the effect of huge doses on pesticides in humans long-term.

/If you're going to play the 'both sides are bad' card, get both sides right.


You are of course refering to bacillus thurungus(bt) which is used in large quantities by organic farmers and is only toxic to certain moths-right? Which has to undergo rigorous testing before being approved for use, while so called "traditional" cross breeding, which moves large unregulated chunks of genetic material (including undesirable traits, such as toxicity), is not tested or regulated at all. Educate yourself before spouting off ok?
 
2013-02-09 03:15:56 PM
I think we should all direct some anger toward Jim Carrey. He was married to her when all this shiat was going on, and he didn't do anything to stop her.
 
2013-02-09 03:16:43 PM

Free Radical: World needs less people. Especially stupid ones so I'm fine with this.


If anti-vaxxers were the only ones at risk of the malignant stupidity of anti-vaxxers, I'd be all vaya con dios about it too. But their ignorance puts those with suppressed or weakened immune systems at greater risk, ie infants or chemo patients.

People, get your kids their farking shots.
 
2013-02-09 03:32:04 PM
Melanie's Marvelous Measles

Melanie's Marvelous Measles was written to educate children on the benefits of having measles and how you can heal from them naturally and successfully. Often today, we are being bombarded with messages from vested interests to fear all diseases in order for someone to sell some potion or vaccine, when, in fact, history shows that in industrialized countries, these diseases are quite benign and, according to natural health sources, beneficial to the body. Having raised three children vaccine-free and childhood disease-free, I have experienced many times when my children's vaccinated peers succumb to the childhood diseases they were vaccinated against. Surprisingly, there were times when my unvaccinated children were blamed for their peers' sickness. Something which is just not possible when they didn't have the diseases at all. Stephanie Messenger lives in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, and devotes her life to educating people about vaccine dangers and supporting families in their natural health choices. She has the support of many natural therapists and natural-minded doctors.

i47.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-09 03:36:34 PM
I hate Jenny McCarthy
 
2013-02-09 03:36:39 PM

Clemkadidlefark: No amount of Statistics, decades of investigative reports or common sense will sway minds fixated on vaccines.

Inject your children with God knows what and hope this doesn't happen. Remember, hope really really hard ...

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html


Why would you call medically proven vaccines "god knows what"?  They've been administered billions of times.  How much more proof do you need that all they do is stop a person from getting polio?
 
2013-02-09 03:37:33 PM

BlaqueKatt: PsiChick: meanmutton: Hey, I'm right there with the Jenny McCarthy hate but let's be honest here: this anti vaccination bullshiat comes from antiscientific world views. It's not just the far right's views on evolution and global warming but also the far left's views on nuclear energy, genetically modified food, organics, "toxins", and this idiotic, all pervasive anti vaccine stuff that it killing children.

I don't know what far left you're talking to, but the far left I know has a problem with GMOs  because they aren't studied properly. When you have every single cell of a corn kernel releasing pesticides, you actually need to study the effect of huge doses on pesticides in humans long-term.

/If you're going to play the 'both sides are bad' card, get both sides right.

You are of course refering to bacillus thurungus(bt) which is used in large quantities by organic farmers and is only toxic to certain moths-right? Which has to undergo rigorous testing before being approved for use, while so called "traditional" cross breeding, which moves large unregulated chunks of genetic material (including undesirable traits, such as toxicity), is not tested or regulated at all. Educate yourself before spouting off ok?


But I am afraid of science and progress. I only eat foods that were around before agriculture was invented.
 
2013-02-09 03:43:47 PM

LarryDan43: Mock26: I do not know what is worse, the fact that people like Jenny can be so stupid, or that so many mothers see her as a role model!

Did you drop out of nursing school? If not then you should just back off. Jenny knows what she is doing.



Indeed she does.

She's doing a great job of keeping her name in the news by spreading misinformation about ASD (which her son doesn't have). Outbreaks of preventable and potentially lethal communicable diseases are just the price the rest of us have to pay.
 
2013-02-09 03:43:53 PM
Melanie's Marvelous Measles is the most sickening example of the naturalistic fallacy I have ever found. The only justification I can find for this childish belief is "I want to believe it, therefore it's true".
 
2013-02-09 03:46:22 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: LarryDan43: Mock26: I do not know what is worse, the fact that people like Jenny can be so stupid, or that so many mothers see her as a role model!

Did you drop out of nursing school? If not then you should just back off. Jenny knows what she is doing.


Indeed she does.

She's doing a great job of keeping her name in the news by spreading misinformation about ASD (which her son doesn't have). Outbreaks of preventable and potentially lethal communicable diseases are just the price the rest of us have to pay.


Hey, man.  Jenny McCarthy's kid is an "indigo child."  He's the next step in human evolution, like an X-Man!

Repo Man: Melanie's Marvelous Measles is the most sickening example of the naturalistic fallacy I have ever found. The only justification I can find for this childish belief is "I want to believe it, therefore it's true".


Thanks for pointing it out.  How revolting.
 
2013-02-09 03:47:08 PM

Repo Man: Melanie's Marvelous Measles

Melanie's Marvelous Measles was written to educate children on the benefits of having measles and how you can heal from them naturally and successfully. Often today, we are being bombarded with messages from vested interests to fear all diseases in order for someone to sell some potion or vaccine, when, in fact, history shows that in industrialized countries, these diseases are quite benign and, according to natural health sources, beneficial to the body. Having raised three children vaccine-free and childhood disease-free, I have experienced many times when my children's vaccinated peers succumb to the childhood diseases they were vaccinated against. Surprisingly, there were times when my unvaccinated children were blamed for their peers' sickness. Something which is just not possible when they didn't have the diseases at all. Stephanie Messenger lives in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, and devotes her life to educating people about vaccine dangers and supporting families in their natural health choices. She has the support of many natural therapists and natural-minded doctors.

[i47.tinypic.com image 453x639]


That...that is actually pretty scary to know exists and especially to see the amount of genuine 5/5 star people applauding it.  It actually makes me wish we could tie someone's online persona to an in-person detector.  I would appreciate being warned about the presence of anyone so utterly batshiat stupid so I can appropriately mock and avoid close personal contact with them.
 
2013-02-09 03:47:12 PM
I blame mommy forums on the internet.  When my kid got an early round of vaccinations, I think probably 3 months or so, I went on one to ask about ways to make him more comfortable.  Jesus Christ those parents.  I wasn't aware that being a rabid anti-vaxxer moonbat was a registration requirement.  No, I don't think I'll be covering my kid in bath water mixed with cow feces (an actual "home remedy") and I was sort of shocked at the fact that my kid got dozens of death threats before he was even aware enough to smile.  Not much can shock me about the internet, but that did.
 
2013-02-09 03:54:07 PM

Repo Man: Melanie's Marvelous Measles

Melanie's Marvelous Measles was written to educate children on the benefits of having measles and how you can heal from them naturally and successfully. Often today, we are being bombarded with messages from vested interests to fear all diseases in order for someone to sell some potion or vaccine, when, in fact, history shows that in industrialized countries, these diseases are quite benign and, according to natural health sources, beneficial to the body. Having raised three children vaccine-free and childhood disease-free, I have experienced many times when my children's vaccinated peers succumb to the childhood diseases they were vaccinated against. Surprisingly, there were times when my unvaccinated children were blamed for their peers' sickness. Something which is just not possible when they didn't have the diseases at all. Stephanie Messenger lives in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, and devotes her life to educating people about vaccine dangers and supporting families in their natural health choices. She has the support of many natural therapists and natural-minded doctors.

[i47.tinypic.com image 453x639]


www.tcd.ie

Marvelous.
 
2013-02-09 03:55:04 PM
gandalfthewhite

those of you who have the ability to think critically, dig deeper. Find out the exact percentage of those with measles who were and were not vaccinated,...
If you have a child with autism, you know the exact day things went south, and I bet it was the day after the MMR.

gandalf - the most transparent way to shout "i care" is to say "i don't" - so your post you don't read responses ring as false as bilbo's assertion at his b-day party he didn't want to keep the ring...

i have read about autism and, if YOU cared to, YOU could see that the current theory is that autism begins PRIOR to birth with a higher-than-usual expansion of neuron growth that actually continues AFTER - and? even if the MMR vaccine were responsible (which it seems not to be) - its not plausible that parents with autistic children noticed their transition from normal to not within 24 hours...

know how i know? the research - cause and effect - would be HUGE

look at meningitis, ebola, snake venom, appendicitis, etc - when the turn around time is that fast the link is no longer in doubt - for anyone
 
2013-02-09 04:00:51 PM
gimmegimme:

Hey, man.  Jenny McCarthy's kid is an "indigo child."  He's the next step in human evolution, like an X-Man!

OMFG.  I guess I shou've known that such delusion was out there.

"My child isn't an annoying brat, he's a higher order lifeform!  A precious, selfish little snowflake with superpowers you can't disprove!"

/we're farking DOOMED
 
2013-02-09 04:04:20 PM

gimmegimme: common sense is an oxymoron: LarryDan43: Mock26: I do not know what is worse, the fact that people like Jenny can be so stupid, or that so many mothers see her as a role model!

Did you drop out of nursing school? If not then you should just back off. Jenny knows what she is doing.


Indeed she does.

She's doing a great job of keeping her name in the news by spreading misinformation about ASD (which her son doesn't have). Outbreaks of preventable and potentially lethal communicable diseases are just the price the rest of us have to pay.

Hey, man.  Jenny McCarthy's kid is an "indigo child."  He's the next step in human evolution, like an X-Man!



From the Wiki:

Proponents recategorize autistic symptoms as telepathic powers...

Which totally explains the difficulty in reading others' emotions, general social ineptitude, etc.

Telling these kids they're superior is really going to work out well for them once they encounter the world beyond the indigo echo chamber.
 
2013-02-09 04:20:14 PM

Repo Man: Melanie's Marvelous Measles

Melanie's Marvelous Measles was written to educate children on the benefits of having measles and how you can heal from them naturally and successfully. Often today, we are being bombarded with messages from vested interests to fear all diseases in order for someone to sell some potion or vaccine, when, in fact, history shows that in industrialized countries, these diseases are quite benign and, according to natural health sources, beneficial to the body. Having raised three children vaccine-free and childhood disease-free, I have experienced many times when my children's vaccinated peers succumb to the childhood diseases they were vaccinated against. Surprisingly, there were times when my unvaccinated children were blamed for their peers' sickness. Something which is just not possible when they didn't have the diseases at all. Stephanie Messenger lives in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, and devotes her life to educating people about vaccine dangers and supporting families in their natural health choices. She has the support of many natural therapists and natural-minded doctors.

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www.bitlogic.com
 
2013-02-09 04:20:38 PM

parasol: when i came up, we ALL got vaccinated - and some of us have cigar-shaped upper arm scars from it


That was the smallpox vaccine. It actually gave you a single pox, which scarred over. I'm in about the last group to get it. My youngest brother doesn't have it.
 
2013-02-09 04:24:40 PM

namegoeshere: parasol: when i came up, we ALL got vaccinated - and some of us have cigar-shaped upper arm scars from it

That was the smallpox vaccine. It actually gave you a single pox, which scarred over. I'm in about the last group to get it. My youngest brother doesn't have it.


The foolish murderers need to understand WHY people don't get the smallpox vaccine anymore.  The pathogen has largely been eradicated because of the miracle of the vaccination.
 
2013-02-09 04:30:03 PM

gimmegimme: namegoeshere: parasol: when i came up, we ALL got vaccinated - and some of us have cigar-shaped upper arm scars from it

That was the smallpox vaccine. It actually gave you a single pox, which scarred over. I'm in about the last group to get it. My youngest brother doesn't have it.

The foolish murderers need to understand WHY people don't get the smallpox vaccine anymore.  The pathogen has largely been eradicated because of the miracle of the vaccination.


And conversely, there is a whooping cough outbreak going on in my state.
 
2013-02-09 04:30:20 PM

gimmegimme: namegoeshere: parasol: when i came up, we ALL got vaccinated - and some of us have cigar-shaped upper arm scars from it

That was the smallpox vaccine. It actually gave you a single pox, which scarred over. I'm in about the last group to get it. My youngest brother doesn't have it.

The foolish murderers need to understand WHY people don't get the smallpox vaccine anymore.  The pathogen has largely been eradicated because of the miracle of the vaccination.


We were within 20 years of making Polio the new Smallpox, but then some assholes in Africa started the rumor that white people were really trying to sterilize you, and the subsequent loss in herd immunity caused it to spread to several countries, setting us back decades.
 
2013-02-09 04:31:41 PM
The only thing anyone should be saying to JM is "tits or gtfo".
 
2013-02-09 04:33:36 PM
Who are "traveling communities"?
 
2013-02-09 04:33:49 PM

Avery614: GandalfTheWhite: You gotta love the lack of bias in the article, particularly this little piece o' BS...
"This will include some whose parents feared the safety of the jab, following research by Dr Andrew Wakefield linking it to bowel problems and autism. This work has since been roundly discredited."
Wakefield has not been discredited. Saying he was doesn't make it so.
For you folks who believe essentially anything spewed by the MSM, nothing I say will make a difference, but for those of you who have the ability to think critically, dig deeper. Find out the exact percentage of those with measles who were and were not vaccinated, then take a look at other outbreaks and find out the percentages there. Primary sources, folks. Good luck with that. If you like reading, check out Neil Z. Miller's research.
For those of you who rag on Jenny McCarthy, I seriously doubt you have any more credibility than her, or that you've looked into ASD as much as she has. You see a headline, or a two-minute hit piece and you think you're informed. Wake the crap up, you ignorant fools. If you have a child with autism, you know the exact day things went south, and I bet it was the day after the MMR.
WAKE UP!!!
FU, subby
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/as per usual, I don't read


Totally off topic, but i taught someone to count to potato using base 26 yesterday, so i find that pic highly amusing.
 
2013-02-09 04:34:10 PM
 
2013-02-09 04:38:49 PM
Conspiracy theories, fluoride, GMOs, oh my! Just when you think your misanthropy meter has hit the peg, something really, really stupid comes along, and drives it further over.
 
2013-02-09 04:40:50 PM

Repo Man: A whole truckload of breathless woo!


Wow  that guy is something.  Most recent story is an unsurprising anti-corporate opinion piece, then just a few below it he's trashing gun control and *right* beneath that condemning the use of aerial drones...like holy crap is this guy just one big walking contradiction.

Fairly punchable face too
lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-02-09 04:46:45 PM

Mock26: I do not know what is worse, the fact that people like Jenny can be so stupid, or that so many mothers see her as a role model!


Is there any more information on WHY these kids weren't vaccinated or is everyone just assuming it is because their parents were anti-vaccine?
 
2013-02-09 04:53:13 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Mock26: I do not know what is worse, the fact that people like Jenny can be so stupid, or that so many mothers see her as a role model!

Is there any more information on WHY these kids weren't vaccinated or is everyone just assuming it is because their parents were anti-vaccine?


I'm sure a few of them have some medical reason they can't have vaccines.  Jenny McCarthy et. al. are still to blame because they diminish herd immunity and put the children of strangers at risk.
 
2013-02-09 04:54:05 PM

vygramul: gimmegimme: namegoeshere: parasol: when i came up, we ALL got vaccinated - and some of us have cigar-shaped upper arm scars from it

That was the smallpox vaccine. It actually gave you a single pox, which scarred over. I'm in about the last group to get it. My youngest brother doesn't have it.

The foolish murderers need to understand WHY people don't get the smallpox vaccine anymore.  The pathogen has largely been eradicated because of the miracle of the vaccination.

We were within 20 years of making Polio the new Smallpox, but then some assholes in Africa started the rumor that white people were really trying to sterilize you, and the subsequent loss in herd immunity caused it to spread to several countries, setting us back decades.


Bill Gates has targeted 2019 for eradication of polio, if people stay the course and we manage to stop backwards hicks in Pakistan and Afghanistan from killing the vaccine givers.
 
2013-02-09 05:12:17 PM

gimmegimme: I'm sure a few of them have some medical reason they can't have vaccines. Jenny McCarthy et. al. are still to blame because they diminish herd immunity and put the children of strangers at risk.


What about these "traveling communities", do they make regular use of healthcare? Are there immigrants from countries that don't have high vaccination rates in this group?
 
2013-02-09 05:14:41 PM
DrewCurtisJr:

What about these "traveling communities", do they make regular use of healthcare? Are there immigrants from countries that don't have high vaccination rates in this group?

I would guess that immigrants from non-western countries probably have very high vaccination rates (provided the vaccines are affordable), because they've seen the result of not vaccinating first hand.
 
2013-02-09 05:17:10 PM

DrewCurtisJr: gimmegimme: I'm sure a few of them have some medical reason they can't have vaccines. Jenny McCarthy et. al. are still to blame because they diminish herd immunity and put the children of strangers at risk.

What about these "traveling communities", do they make regular use of healthcare? Are there immigrants from countries that don't have high vaccination rates in this group?


I'm honestly flattered that you think I know the answers to these questions.  Here's the NHS page on measles; I'm sure some of the answers are in there.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/measles/Pages/Introduction.aspx
 
2013-02-09 05:47:04 PM
When I was in nursing school, as part of our clinical rotation, we had to go around the units in the hospital offering the flu shot to employees.  A PCT refused the flu shot because she was worried that it would, "make her retarded."

Some people are just dumb.
 
2013-02-09 05:48:27 PM

Takeshi6400: When I was in nursing school, as part of our clinical rotation, we had to go around the units in the hospital offering the flu shot to employees.  A PCT refused the flu shot because she was worried that it would, "make her retarded."

Some people are just dumb.


It was too late for her anyway.
 
2013-02-09 05:50:07 PM

Takeshi6400: When I was in nursing school, as part of our clinical rotation, we had to go around the units in the hospital offering the flu shot to employees.  A PCT refused the flu shot because she was worried that it would, "make her retarded."

Some people are just dumb.


I would have had to bite my tongue to not say, "Oh, so you've had it already?"
 
2013-02-09 05:52:03 PM

Takeshi6400: When I was in nursing school, as part of our clinical rotation, we had to go around the units in the hospital offering the flu shot to employees.  A PCT refused the flu shot because she was worried that it would, "make her retarded."

Some people are just dumb.


...and she was promptly fired for gross misconduct and endangering your clients, right?  Right?  I hope?
 
2013-02-09 06:17:20 PM
It makes me sad that that idiotic measles book is getting that many reviews that are positive, which makes me think it's actually selling.
 
2013-02-09 06:18:50 PM

Takeshi6400: When I was in nursing school, as part of our clinical rotation, we had to go around the units in the hospital offering the flu shot to employees.  A PCT refused the flu shot because she was worried that it would, "make her retarded."

Some people are just dumb.


I can beat that...

http://www.globaltvbc.com/nurses+union+challenges+flu+shot-or-mask+p ol icy/6442763344/story.html
 
2013-02-09 06:24:49 PM
Jenny is the only woman who has made me spontaneously ejaculate in my pants. And she was fully clothed at the time.

//Singled Out
 
2013-02-09 06:35:17 PM

Stig O'Tracy: Jenny is the only woman who has made me spontaneously ejaculate in my pants. And she was fully clothed at the time.

//Singled Out


If only her son's dad had kept his ejaculation in his pants, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
 
2013-02-09 07:21:01 PM

vygramul: We were within 20 years of making Polio the new Smallpox, but then some assholes in Africa started the rumor that white people were really trying to sterilize you, and the subsequent loss in herd immunity caused it to spread to several countries, setting us back decades.


The decision to have President Obama's death squads use a fake vaccination campaign as cover in Pakistan hasn't helped much either. The decision will almost certainly cost orders of magnitude more deaths than happened on 9/11.
 
2013-02-09 07:37:04 PM
I appreciate Farkers giving links but after reading a few of them..I.
..I...I think I need to go lie down a moment...
 
2013-02-09 07:48:48 PM

gadian: I blame mommy forums on the internet.  When my kid got an early round of vaccinations, I think probably 3 months or so, I went on one to ask about ways to make him more comfortable.  Jesus Christ those parents.  I wasn't aware that being a rabid anti-vaxxer moonbat was a registration requirement.  No, I don't think I'll be covering my kid in bath water mixed with cow feces (an actual "home remedy") and I was sort of shocked at the fact that my kid got dozens of death threats before he was even aware enough to smile.  Not much can shock me about the internet, but that did.


Wow talk about a bullshiat remedy. What would be the purpose of that?
 
2013-02-09 08:07:37 PM

liltingbanshee: Wow talk about a bullshiat remedy. What would be the purpose of that?


Hell if I know.  Something about skin soothing byproducts and mineral absorption to block the poisons I'd cruelly injected with a giant needle into my innocent miracle.
 
2013-02-09 08:45:08 PM

BumpInTheNight: Repo Man: A whole truckload of breathless woo!

Wow  that guy is something.  Most recent story is an unsurprising anti-corporate opinion piece, then just a few below it he's trashing gun control and *right* beneath that condemning the use of aerial drones...like holy crap is this guy just one big walking contradiction.

Fairly punchable face too
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I know several people with this exact same derpset
 
2013-02-09 09:19:57 PM

malaktaus: Real Women Drink Akvavit: soupafi: Am I a asshat if I hope her kids get the measles?

Yes. It's not their fault that their mom is a sociopathic moran. If they grow up the same way, then you can wish deadly yet preventable diseases of all kinds on them without being labeled "asshat" by some of us.

I'm going to have to disagree with you. It would be unfortunate for them if they were to die of measles, and they don't deserve it, but it would send a hell of a message to these idiots and it would probably save numerous lives. For the greater good and all that.


I wasn't wishing death. Just get very sick, then they get better after getting proper medical care
 
2013-02-09 09:55:21 PM

meanmutton: Hey, I'm right there with the Jenny McCarthy hate but let's be honest here: this anti vaccination bullshiat comes from antiscientific world views. It's not just the far right's views on evolution and global warming but also the far left's views on nuclear energy, genetically modified food, organics, "toxins", and this idiotic, all pervasive anti vaccine stuff that it killing children.


Part of being intelligent is knowing what you don't know and having an open mind.

There is a lot that isn't known about vaccines, GMO, etc and so forth. That there is also a lot that is known that isn't made part of the public discourse. But to bring such things up is like arguing with the priest in church.

Science is as political and religious as any human activity. Remember what happened to the first doctor to make the radical suggestion of hand washing? People throw around terms like anti-scientific as insults to get people to go along with the program. However given the way the medical profession does things, unscientific is exactly what it should be called. What passes for FDA approval shouldn't get past a fifth grade understanding of the scientific method.

Don't believe me? listen to this: http://www.ted.com/talks/ben_goldacre_what_doctors_don_t_know_about_t h e_drugs_they_prescribe.html 

Ultimately when it comes to society however it is the control freaks who demand conformity. Those who cannot allow people to make individual decisions for themselves. Be it a lack of confidence in their own decisions or what-have-you, they have to lash out and insult people who make a different choice. For instance, as I recall reading, in the UK when people decided to go with separate vaccines instead of MMR the government simply banned the older separate vaccines. Can't have choice. That's why medical care has such government intrusion. People can't stand individuals making decisions about their own bodies.
 
2013-02-09 10:26:47 PM
As a kid in the 50's, I regularly saw, and interacted with, kids who wore the polio leg braces, and used crutches.

Knew kids deaf and/or blind from measles.  Kids who had ricketts.  Who survived whooping cough and, barely, Diptheria.

I had measles twice.

I don't see this anymore.

Vaccines, ya think?
 
2013-02-09 10:28:58 PM

alfuso: As a kid in the 50's, I regularly saw, and interacted with, kids who wore the polio leg braces, and used crutches.

Knew kids deaf and/or blind from measles.  Kids who had ricketts.  Who survived whooping cough and, barely, Diptheria.

I had measles twice.

I don't see this anymore.

Vaccines, ya think?


No. Apparently its bathing in cow shiat that stops that.
 
2013-02-09 10:41:16 PM

leadmetal: For instance, as I recall reading, in the UK when people decided to go with separate vaccines instead of MMR the government simply banned the older separate vaccines.


Uh, no. That's not what happened in the least. The Wakefield fraud was, in part, implemented to allow Wakefield to sell his own Measles vaccine which was a stand-alone. Stand alone vaccination increases not only the cost to the patient, but also the amount of pain they have to endure (kids hate shots), and the failure and/or banning of the MMR vaccine would be the only ay he would have ever been able to have sold his own creation.
 
2013-02-09 10:49:32 PM

alfuso: As a kid in the 50's, I regularly saw, and interacted with, kids who wore the polio leg braces, and used crutches.

Knew kids deaf and/or blind from measles.  Kids who had ricketts.  Who survived whooping cough and, barely, Diptheria.

I had measles twice.

I don't see this anymore.

Vaccines, ya think?




I'm not old enough. But I do remember how common iron lungs were in old movies when I was a kid.
i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-09 11:10:02 PM

Repo Man: Melanie's Marvelous Measles is the most sickening example of the naturalistic fallacy I have ever found. The only justification I can find for this childish belief is "I want to believe it, therefore it's true".


You really want to suggest to these sorts of people that Conium maculatum is naturally occurring, maybe they can try some and see if it makes them healthier, it being all natural.

/unfortunately they would probably give it to their kids as well, so you can't really make the suggestion
 
2013-02-09 11:23:10 PM

BronyMedic: leadmetal: For instance, as I recall reading, in the UK when people decided to go with separate vaccines instead of MMR the government simply banned the older separate vaccines.

Uh, no. That's not what happened in the least. The Wakefield fraud was, in part, implemented to allow Wakefield to sell his own Measles vaccine which was a stand-alone.


Cite? Because that sounds absolutely absurd and considering all the bullshiat out there on Wakefield, that just sounds like more of it. It's amazing the lies that are out there about the guy. Then again, that's how the medical profession treats heretics. 

Here's mine: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/432172.stm
"Measles and mumps vaccines banned"

Stand alone vaccination increases not only the cost to the patient, but also the amount of pain they have to endure (kids hate shots), and the failure and/or banning of the MMR vaccine would be the only ay he would have ever been able to have sold his own creation.

And you get to decide for other people? Did you read the rest of what I wrote?

Everything has risks and rewards. Benefits and drawbacks. Except we aren't supposed to question the science religion or its highest priests in corporations and government. Vaccines only have benefits they tell us so thus it is. To bring up the risks or even the notion there of gets one labeled 'anti-science' and named called. It's like saying doctors should wash their hands in the mid 19th century.Vaccines as we know them today with various toxin preservatives and adjuvants will likely join leaches some time in the future if the medical government protected cartel can be broken and advancement can occur.

Meanwhile it's just more "anti-science" in Mexico:
http://www.theyucatantimes.com/2013/02/1500-colonies-of-honeybees-di e- in-campeche/
How dare some Mexicans not like Monsanto's GMO corn! how dare they!
 
2013-02-09 11:39:08 PM
i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-09 11:51:33 PM
You know what image I haven't seen in a while on fark?

img210.imageshack.us

I think it is sorely missing in these threads that call out the tinfoil laden types who think the evil goberment is out to get them and their little dog too.
 
2013-02-09 11:58:09 PM

leadmetal: Cite? Because that sounds absolutely absurd and considering all the bullshiat out there on Wakefield, that just sounds like more of it. It's amazing the lies that are out there about the guy. Then again, that's how the medical profession treats heretics.


The link you posted was a venture undertaken specifically because of Andrew Wakefield's 1999 Lancet report. MMR is not banned in the UK.

Oh, God. Please tell me you're not a Wakefield white knight. I generally considered you more intelligent than that. The facts which cannot be contested are that Andrew Wakefield falsified research, under the payroll of solicitors who were seeking to use his research to back vaccine litigation in the UK, and while developing his own stand-alone vaccination which would only be successful if the MMR ban was to continue.

You can go read all about it yourself from the journalist who exposed Wakefield as the fraud he was.

leadmetal: Then again, that's how the medical profession treats heretics.


Wakefield is not a heretic. He's a fraud, a liar, and a victimizer of his patients. The facts behind this are well documented.

leadmetal: And you get to decide for other people? Did you read the rest of what I wrote?


Yes. That is the price you pay for living under a social contract, some freedoms are going to be limited for the greater good of society. Vaccination and medical care are two of those areas. Medical care is highly regulated because of the historical inability of the profession to regulate itsself. Before the advent of pharmaceutical boards, medical boards, and oversight agencies, quackery and fraud was rampant.

leadmetal: Meanwhile it's just more "anti-science" in Mexico:
http://www.theyucatantimes.com/2013/02/1500-colonies-of-honeybees-di e- in-campeche/
How dare some Mexicans not like Monsanto's GMO corn! how dare they!


Stay on topic. You're demonstrating the practical application of the theory of crank magentism. We're discussing Andrew Wakefield and his fraudulant research. Not honeybees.
 
2013-02-10 01:24:01 AM

BronyMedic: leadmetal: Cite? Because that sounds absolutely absurd and considering all the bullshiat out there on Wakefield, that just sounds like more of it. It's amazing the lies that are out there about the guy. Then again, that's how the medical profession treats heretics.

The link you posted was a venture undertaken specifically because of Andrew Wakefield's 1999 Lancet report. MMR is not banned in the UK.


I never stated that MMR was banned. Learn how to farking read why don't you?
I stated the single vaccines were banned to remove choice. Wakefield or no Wakefield there is no reason to ban. Such a ban is done for reasons that have nothing to do with science and everything to do with controlling choice for political reasons.

Oh, God. Please tell me you're not a Wakefield white knight. I generally considered you more intelligent than that. The facts which cannot be contested are that Andrew Wakefield falsified research, under the payroll of solicitors who were seeking to use his research to back vaccine litigation in the UK, and while developing his own stand-alone vaccination which would only be successful if the MMR ban was to continue.

You've insulted me before as I recall, why stop short this time?  Still not seeing a cite for making a vaccine. I know there is an accusation that he was paid by lawyers looking to sue vaccine manufacturers for damages. Which is probably the root of this one.

You can go read all about it yourself from the journalist who exposed Wakefield as the fraud he was.

I am well aware of the mainstream media.

leadmetal: Then again, that's how the medical profession treats heretics.

Wakefield is not a heretic. He's a fraud, a liar, and a victimizer of his patients. The facts behind this are well documented.

You just keep spewing out things from convention as if I must be stupid and unaware of them. Furthermore accepting it as fact blindly. But let's say Wakefield is guilty of every one of the evils. Just for the sake of argument. Because I'm not arguing Wakefield here and I don't want to argue Wakefield. So, from here on out, he's a snakeoil salesman with only his own wallet in mind. Ok?

So then, since we will go forward on this premise regarding wakefield,  why aren't the big drug companies the government protects ever given the same treatment? Why are reports of how their studies are rigged, how bad results are buried, not resulting in people being run out of the profession? Why? How many people did Vioxx alone likely kill? What about these SSRI drugs? What about countless other things in the medical profession? Oh no, looking at how those studies are done and how they got approval is "conspiracy theory".  It's "crank magnetism". How dare we question! How dare we. It's because they are the status quo. It's the religion to just blindly accept FDA approvals. Anyone who doesn't accept it is by default a kook and worthy of insult. Never mind that revolving door that makes people sums that make what Wakefield supposedly got look like something a beggar would get selling "Street Wise". And I'm not talking the Duke brothers encountering an African Prince. But there's no corruption there. No sireee Bob. If you think something is amiss you're a "konspiracy kook".

If someone who published a heavily flawed paper and was paid large sums by vaccine manufacturers that concluded that a new vaccine is safe or that thimerosal is good for you, would never be investigated and you know it. Anyone that even found out the study was flawed or the conflict of interest would be labeled a conspiracy theorist. Heretics get mainstream media attention.  Just look what happens to people who suffer various effects after getting a vaccine, the vaccine is automatically not suspect. by default. to even consider it suspect is conspiracy kookdom.

Then there is how we are supposed to assume that politics has no role what-so-ever in science and that government funding, political funding of science creates no conflict of interest. The double standard is laughable if looked at objectively.

leadmetal: And you get to decide for other people? Did you read the rest of what I wrote?

Yes. That is the price you pay for living under a social contract, some freedoms are going to be limited for the greater good of society. Vaccination and medical care are two of those areas. Medical care is highly regulated because of the historical inability of the profession to regulate itsself. Before the advent of pharmaceutical boards, medical boards, and oversight agencies, quackery and fraud was rampant.

Oh the "social contract", that one that nobody ever signed where the men who win popularity contests get to have their enforcers point guns at people and make them obey? Yeah, I know the social contract. Where we are all owned by our masters. Where we don't own our bodies. How dare we question massa. Massa knows what's good for us! We are just good farm animals on a great big industrial farm. How dare we claim self ownership. The social contract is enforced by who has the monopoly on legal violence, science has no bearing on it.

The american medical profession as we know it today with all its government  licensing, regulation, and approvals is a Rockefeller creation. You know the Rockefellers right? The people who's ancestor sold snake oil at $25 a bottle (when gold was $20.67/ozt) under an assumed name while on the run from rape charges. Remember, Competition is a sin. Can't have choice. Well except in things that don't matter... paper or plastic? 

leadmetal: Meanwhile it's just more "anti-science" in Mexico:
http://www.theyucatantimes.com/2013/02/1500-colonies-of-honeybees-di e- in-campeche/
How dare some Mexicans not like Monsanto's GMO corn! how dare they!


Stay on topic. You're demonstrating the practical application of the theory of crank magentism. We're discussing Andrew Wakefield and his fraudul ...

Go back to the post of mine the other guy was replying to and then the one I was replying to. You'll see not liking GMO is lumped in as being anti-scientific too. Which is what I've been posting on in this thread. This science religion. Others dragged in Wakefield, again. Hey, let's all do what our loving government folks say to do... never mind that revolving door,  they love us and it's the social contract!
 
2013-02-10 01:57:59 AM
leadmetal:

It would be interesting to find out what your personal belief process is.  It's not clear why you would accept the word of a guy you don't know about a subject on which you are not an expert and has meaningful impact on yourself and/or your family.  Yet, on the other hand, you reject the word of other guys you don't know about a subject on which you are not an expert and has meaningful impact on yourself and/or your family.  Despite the abysmal track record of individuals crying out against the establishment, you still put all your chips on that particular number on the roulette wheel of health information, even though every major medical organization, every major scientific organization (both government and private), and the glaring empirical example of smallpox eradication should give you pause.

What is it about this that leads you to place your trust in the hands of someone who stands to make money off of people's mistrust of "establishment"?  Do you believe that not only are there many evil people, but that evil people dominate, being the vast, vast majority of your fellow man?

Just trying to understand, man.
 
2013-02-10 02:57:05 AM
Brony, I love you, and your posts in the last day or so have brought you to a nice pastel green color.

/salute
 
2013-02-10 06:23:00 AM

Pontious Pilates: Free Radical: World needs less people. Especially stupid ones so I'm fine with this.

If anti-vaxxers were the only ones at risk of the malignant stupidity of anti-vaxxers, I'd be all vaya con dios about it too. But their ignorance puts those with suppressed or weakened immune systems at greater risk, ie infants or chemo patients.

People, get your kids their farking shots.


When I was 17 and first started applying for colleges, I discovered that by some fluke I had never gotten my third and final MMR shot. So there's also people who are relying on herd immunity just due to random chance.
 
2013-02-10 11:11:39 PM
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LarryDan43: Mock26: I do not know what is worse, the fact that people like Jenny can be so stupid, or that so many mothers see her as a role model!

Did you drop out of nursing school? If not then you should just back off. Jenny knows what she is doing.


If she is an expert because she dropped out of nursing school then I guess that makes me a super expert because I never even went!
 
2013-02-10 11:18:40 PM

GandalfTheWhite: You gotta love the lack of bias in the article, particularly this little piece o' BS...

"This will include some whose parents feared the safety of the jab, following research by Dr Andrew Wakefield linking it to bowel problems and autism. This work has since been roundly discredited."

Wakefield has not been discredited. Saying he was doesn't make it so.

For you folks who believe essentially anything spewed by the MSM, nothing I say will make a difference, but for those of you who have the ability to think critically, dig deeper. Find out the exact percentage of those with measles who were and were not vaccinated, then take a look at other outbreaks and find out the percentages there. Primary sources, folks. Good luck with that. If you like reading, check out Neil Z. Miller's research.

For those of you who rag on Jenny McCarthy, I seriously doubt you have any more credibility than her, or that you've looked into ASD as much as she has. You see a headline, or a two-minute hit piece and you think you're informed. Wake the crap up, you ignorant fools. If you have a child with autism, you know the exact day things went south, and I bet it was the day after the MMR.

WAKE UP!!!

FU, subby

/as per usual, I don't read replies to my comments, so don't waste your time


How about trying this on for size.  Sine YOU are the one who claims this doctor was not discredited, then prove it.  You have made a claim, therefore the onus is on you to back up your claim.  It is not our job to prove you right.  In short, put your money where your mouth is.
 
2013-02-10 11:23:10 PM

leadmetal: That there is also a lot that is known that isn't made part of the public discourse.


Such as?
 
2013-02-11 08:48:33 PM

leadmetal: You just keep spewing out things from convention as if I must be stupid and unaware of them. Furthermore accepting it as fact blindly. But let's say Wakefield is guilty of every one of the evils. Just for the sake of argument. Because I'm not arguing Wakefield here and I don't want to argue Wakefield. So, from here on out, he's a snakeoil salesman with only his own wallet in mind. Ok?

So then, since we will go forward on this premise regarding wakefield,  why aren't the big drug companies the government protects ever given the same treatment? Why are reports of how their studies are rigged, how bad results are buried, not resulting in people being run out of the profession? Why? How many people did Vioxx alone likely kill? What about these SSRI drugs? What about countless other things in the medical profession? Oh no, looking at how those studies are done and how they got approval is "conspiracy theory".  It's "crank magnetism". How dare we question! How dare we. It's because they are the status quo. It's the religion to just blindly accept FDA approvals. Anyone who doesn't accept it is by default a kook and worthy of insult. Never mind that revolving door that makes people sums that make what Wakefield supposedly got look like something a beggar would get selling "Street Wise". And I'm not talking the Duke brothers encountering an African Prince. But there's no corruption there. No sireee Bob. If you think something is amiss you're a "konspiracy kook".



That must be why Vioxx is still on the market. Oh, wait...

Merck, like Wakefield, reported falsified data. Merck, like Wakefield, eventually got caught.

The FDA approval process works. Not perfectly, but it's a hell of a lot better than no regulation at all.
 
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