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2013-02-09 08:00:36 AM
"She got in trouble for singing Christian songs," Lakeview seventh grader, Janiya Young says.

"I think it's okay because it's spiritual and who doesn't want to learn about God," says Janiya.


In Catoosa County, GA, that's probably an effective legal defense.
 
2013-02-09 09:41:50 AM

St_Francis_P: "She got in trouble for singing Christian songs," Lakeview seventh grader, Janiya Young says.

"I think it's okay because it's spiritual and who doesn't want to learn about God," says Janiya.

In Catoosa County, GA, that's probably an effective legal defense.


As someone who lives in Catoosa County, GA I have to say you're probably right.
 
2013-02-09 10:33:22 AM
Her MySpace page is full of pictures of mission trips and worship services. But they are passions the Freedom From Religion Foundation Constitution and the SCOTUS says do not belong in the classroom.

fixed
 
2013-02-09 10:38:22 AM
She is the government when she is acting as a teacher in the classroom. She should not be establishing her religion in that (government) classroom.

How would these same lovely people of Georgia react if a new Muslim teacher came in and took his classroom time to establish his religion to their students?  I'm sure they would use all the same arguments in his defense, right?
 
2013-02-09 10:38:37 AM
Just recently the high school cheerleaders from the same town were forced, by meddling yankees, to stop putting bible verses on signs they made for football games.
 
2013-02-09 10:39:28 AM
If she shapes up and doesn't witness to her students, then this will be a non-issue. Songs can be an effective teaching tool, but there's no need to use religious music for this.
 
2013-02-09 10:40:38 AM

WorldCitizen: How would these same lovely people of Georgia react if a new Muslim teacher came in and took his classroom time to establish his religion to their students? I'm sure they would use all the same arguments in his defense, right?


Janiya might. Others...probably not so much.
 
2013-02-09 10:48:00 AM

Krymson Tyde: Just recently the high school cheerleaders from the same town were forced, by meddling yankees, to stop putting bible verses on signs they made for football games.


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To be fair, if I recall correctly it was about how all the guys on the football team have huge donkey-sized cocks and ejaculate gallons of thick horse-like spooge everywhere. That Ezekial 23:20 is probably less than appropriate for high school.
 
2013-02-09 11:08:09 AM
FFRF, Annie Laurie and Dan = great folks.

*keep your hallucinations out of our science*
 
2013-02-09 11:18:03 AM
Wtf is it with these people? They just assume that if they try to sneak Jebus into the curriculum enough times that eventually we'll just give in?
 
2013-02-09 11:20:21 AM
FTFA: Heather Moorman isn't shy about her faith.

What a Moorman.
 
2013-02-09 11:20:41 AM
OK, kids, sing it with me!:

"That is not dead
which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons
even death may die."

Bamana bamana hummana bamana hummana bamana zeeboody bop!
 
2013-02-09 11:22:58 AM

St_Francis_P: I think it's okay because it's spiritual and who doesn't want to learn about God," says Janiya.


Wow.
I'm sure she wouldn't mind someone singing some songs about Satan to her class, because who doesn't want to learn about Satan?

/He's got the whole underworld in his hands, the whole wide underworld...
 
2013-02-09 11:27:58 AM

Old enough to know better: Wtf is it with these people? They just assume that if they try to sneak Jebus into the curriculum enough times that eventually we'll just give in?


Yes.

They have no concept of how judicial precedents are set and reinforced though, which makes it funny/sad.

They really think if they can just get in front of the right judge, that judge will destroy 100+ years of precedent and establish Christianity(they never say which version of course) as the law of  the land.
 
2013-02-09 11:31:59 AM
According to the video, the kids requested that she sing a song she wrote which prompted her to sing it, kind of an important detail when claiming she attempted to "witness" them.
 
2013-02-09 11:33:11 AM

meat0918: Old enough to know better: Wtf is it with these people? They just assume that if they try to sneak Jebus into the curriculum enough times that eventually we'll just give in?

Yes.

They have no concept of how judicial precedents are set and reinforced though, which makes it funny/sad.

They really think if they can just get in front of the right judge, that judge will destroy 100+ years of precedent and establish Christianity(they never say which version of course) as the law of  the land.


I'm pretty sure it's the version where Jesus is a white man, financial success is God's reward for being "faithful," and the sick and/or poor need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
 
2013-02-09 11:34:08 AM
She should have sung about quarks.
 
2013-02-09 11:34:23 AM

CanisNoir: According to the video, the kids requested that she sing a song she wrote which prompted her to sing it, kind of an important detail when claiming she attempted to "witness" them.


Would the parents have been as understanding if the sixth grade teacher was a death metal singer?
 
2013-02-09 11:36:39 AM

CanisNoir: According to the video, the kids requested that she sing a song she wrote which prompted her to sing it, kind of an important detail when claiming she attempted to "witness" them.


So, if my kids request I begin one of my Buddhist chants or sing a song about the turning of the Pagan wheel, that should be ok, too?

Religion has no place in the classroom unless you are talking historical/literary context. Period.
 
2013-02-09 11:36:57 AM

anfrind: She should have sung about quarks.


Or about the Periodic Table.
 
2013-02-09 11:37:14 AM

St_Francis_P: "I think it's okay because it's spiritual and who doesn't want to learn about God," says Janiya.


I hear that dirty little Jew kid in the fourth row killed god. Let's go beat the crap out of him next recess.
 
2013-02-09 11:37:22 AM

Summoner101: CanisNoir: According to the video, the kids requested that she sing a song she wrote which prompted her to sing it, kind of an important detail when claiming she attempted to "witness" them.

Would the parents have been as understanding if the sixth grade teacher was a death metal singer?


That would be awesome. 

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE'S GOT THE WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHLE WORLD IN HIS HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEGGG GGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!
 
2013-02-09 11:38:08 AM

anfrind: She should have sung about quarks.


Then some anti-science crusader would just claim that she's spinning a magical tale...
 
2013-02-09 11:40:02 AM

Old enough to know better: Wtf is it with these people? They just assume that if they try to sneak Jebus into the curriculum enough times that eventually we'll just give in?


It feeds their persecution complex.
 
2013-02-09 11:40:22 AM
I'm not christian, but is there a passage in the Bible that tells them they can't shut up about it?

John 3:16 signs during football games, billboards, going door to door, standing on street corners, broadcasting on tv and radio, teachers signing in schools....

we get it, you like your religion.

/not an atheist douche either.
 
2013-02-09 11:42:51 AM

Summoner101: Would the parents have been as understanding if the sixth grade teacher was a death metal singer?


If that was the only type of music you wrote and sang and there were no inappropriate words, I don't see why they would have a problem with it.

tudorgurl: So, if my kids request I begin one of my Buddhist chants or sing a song about the turning of the Pagan wheel, that should be ok, too?


Again, if that's the only type of music you wrote and sang then I don't see a problem with it.

Gospel is a form of music, *not* religion and all music forms in my opinion have a place in school, it's called "Culture" and kids are better for being exposed to it.
 
2013-02-09 11:42:58 AM
Was the song "Every Sperm is sacred"?
 
2013-02-09 11:43:01 AM

Spanky_McFarksalot: I'm not christian, but is there a passage in the Bible that tells them they can't shut up about it?

John 3:16 signs during football games, billboards, going door to door, standing on street corners, broadcasting on tv and radio, teachers signing in schools....

we get it, you like your religion.

/not an atheist douche either.


Pretty much every religion has some type of requirement for propagating said religion.
 
2013-02-09 11:43:28 AM

Spanky_McFarksalot: I'm not christian, but is there a passage in the Bible that tells them they can't shut up about it?

John 3:16 signs during football games, billboards, going door to door, standing on street corners, broadcasting on tv and radio, teachers signing in schools....

we get it, you like your religion.

/not an atheist douche either.


Matthew 6:5
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
 
2013-02-09 11:44:54 AM
It's almost like the teacher is desperate in the light of all empirical evidence found in even a 6th grade science.
 
2013-02-09 11:45:11 AM
if she feels that strongly about expressing her faith, she should teach at a religious school.

there seems to be several in that county and nearby.
 
2013-02-09 11:48:28 AM

CanisNoir: type of music you wrote and sang and there were no inappropriate words


The problem here is every person's idea of inappropriate is different.  There was a day when the fairly tame lyrics, compared to modern music, of Elvis Presley were the devil's music.  There are also still fairly large portions of the population that still think metal is satan's vehicle for mind control.

/to which I say, rock on Satan!
 
2013-02-09 11:51:48 AM
"The Science of Religious Songs" could be an essay for mental health studies.
 
2013-02-09 11:52:35 AM

CanisNoir: Summoner101: Would the parents have been as understanding if the sixth grade teacher was a death metal singer?

If that was the only type of music you wrote and sang and there were no inappropriate words, I don't see why they would have a problem with it.

tudorgurl: So, if my kids request I begin one of my Buddhist chants or sing a song about the turning of the Pagan wheel, that should be ok, too?

Again, if that's the only type of music you wrote and sang then I don't see a problem with it.

Gospel is a form of music, *not* religion and all music forms in my opinion have a place in school, it's called "Culture" and kids are better for being exposed to it.



Not in science class. I have a feeling if she were singing about Allah, they'd have been less supportive.
 
2013-02-09 11:53:48 AM

Summoner101: CanisNoir: type of music you wrote and sang and there were no inappropriate words

The problem here is every person's idea of inappropriate is different.  There was a day when the fairly tame lyrics, compared to modern music, of Elvis Presley were the devil's music.  There are also still fairly large portions of the population that still think metal is satan's vehicle for mind control.

/to which I say, rock on Satan!


You best better be filmin' that Elvis from the waist up only--his gyrations is of the Devil!!!
 
2013-02-09 11:54:43 AM

CanisNoir: Summoner101: Would the parents have been as understanding if the sixth grade teacher was a death metal singer?

If that was the only type of music you wrote and sang and there were no inappropriate words, I don't see why they would have a problem with it.

tudorgurl: So, if my kids request I begin one of my Buddhist chants or sing a song about the turning of the Pagan wheel, that should be ok, too?

Again, if that's the only type of music you wrote and sang then I don't see a problem with it.

Gospel is a form of music, *not* religion and all music forms in my opinion have a place in school, it's called "Culture" and kids are better for being exposed to it.


It's music about religion.  The teacher needs to stop or be fired.
 
2013-02-09 11:54:44 AM

Summoner101: The problem here is every person's idea of inappropriate is different. There was a day when the fairly tame lyrics, compared to modern music, of Elvis Presley were the devil's music. There are also still fairly large portions of the population that still think metal is satan's vehicle for mind control.


I understand your point, but I think most people with common sense can agree on what would be considered inappropriate words for a sixth grader.
 
2013-02-09 11:57:00 AM

Summoner101: anfrind: She should have sung about quarks.

Or about the Periodic Table.


Waaaay back in the olden days, radio dude Dr. Demento occasionally played a recording of a group reciting pi to Grieg's In The The Hall of The Mountain King.
 
2013-02-09 11:58:23 AM

CanisNoir: Summoner101: The problem here is every person's idea of inappropriate is different. There was a day when the fairly tame lyrics, compared to modern music, of Elvis Presley were the devil's music. There are also still fairly large portions of the population that still think metal is satan's vehicle for mind control.

I understand your point, but I think most people with common sense can agree on what would be considered inappropriate words for a sixth grader.


See, again the problem is most people don't have common sense as demonstrated by your lack thereof.
 
2013-02-09 11:59:25 AM

Spanky_McFarksalot: I'm not christian, but is there a passage in the Bible that tells them they can't shut up about it?


farm9.staticflickr.com

♪ "Why waste your breath moaning at the crowd? Nothing can be done to stop the shouting. If every tongue were still the noise would still continue. The rocks and stones themselves would start to siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing" ♪
 
2013-02-09 11:59:25 AM

Lionel Mandrake: CanisNoir: Summoner101: Would the parents have been as understanding if the sixth grade teacher was a death metal singer?

If that was the only type of music you wrote and sang and there were no inappropriate words, I don't see why they would have a problem with it.

tudorgurl: So, if my kids request I begin one of my Buddhist chants or sing a song about the turning of the Pagan wheel, that should be ok, too?

Again, if that's the only type of music you wrote and sang then I don't see a problem with it.

Gospel is a form of music, *not* religion and all music forms in my opinion have a place in school, it's called "Culture" and kids are better for being exposed to it.

It's music about religion.  The teacher needs to stop or be fired.


Gregorian chants have a better bass line anyway.
 
2013-02-09 12:00:19 PM

Lionel Mandrake: It's music about religion. The teacher needs to stop or be fired.


In an English class I once used these lyrics to demonstrate music combined with story telling in a poetic form, should I have been expelled?

Chris de Burgh "Crusader"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6SkaFMTihI

"what do I do next? " said the bishop to the priest,
"i have spent my whole life waiting, preparing for the feast,
And now you say jerusalem has fallen and is lost,
The king of heathen saracen has seized the holy cross."
Then the priest said "oh my bishop, we must put them to the sword,
For God in all his mercy will find a just reward,
For the noblemen and sinners, and knights of ready hand
Who will be the lord's crusader, send word throughout all the land,
Jerusalem is lost,
Jerusalem is lost,
Jerusalem is lost;"
"tell me what to do", said the king upon his throne,
"but speak to me in whispers for we are not alone,
They tell me that jerusalem has fallen to the hand
Of some bedevilled eastern heathen who has seized the holy land;"
Then the chamberlain said "lord, we must call upon our foes
In spain and france and germany to end our bitter wars,
All christian men must be as one and gather for the fight,
You will be their leader, begin the battle cry,
Jerusalem is lost,
Jerusalem is lost,
Jerusalem is lost"...
Ooh, high on a hill, in the town of jerusalem,
There stood saladin, the king of the saracens,
Whoring and drinking and snoring and sinking, around him his army lay,
Secure in the knowledge that they had won the day;
A messenger came, blood on his feet and a wound in his chest,
"the christians are coming!" he said, "i have seen their cross in the west,"
In a rage saladin struck him down with his knife
And he said "i know that this man lies,
They quarrel too much, the christians could never unite!
I am invincible, I am the king,
I am invincible, and I will win..."
Close they came, the army of richard the lionheart,
Marching by day and night, with soldiers from every part,
And when the crusaders came over the mountain and they saw jerusalem,
They fell to their knees and prayed for her release;
They started the battle at dawn, taking the city by storm,
With horsemen and bowmen and engines of war,
They broke through the city walls,
The heathens were flying and screaming and dying,
And the christian swords were strong,
And saladin ran when he heard their victory song;
"we are invincible, God is the king,
We are invincible, and we will win!"
"what do I do now? " said the wiseman to the fool,
"i have spent my whole life searching, to find the golden rule,
Though centuries have disappeared, the memory still remains
Of those enemies together, could it be that way again? "
Then the fool said "oh you wise men, you really make me laugh,
With your talk of vast persuasion and searching through the past,
There is only greed and evil in the men that fight today,
The song of the crusader has long since gone away,
Jerusalem is lost,
Jerusalem is lost,
Jerusalem is lost...
Jerusalem."
 
2013-02-09 12:02:35 PM

calbert: Spanky_McFarksalot: I'm not christian, but is there a passage in the Bible that tells them they can't shut up about it?

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 693x378]

♪ "Why waste your breath moaning at the crowd? Nothing can be done to stop the shouting. If every tongue were still the noise would still continue. The rocks and stones themselves would start to siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing" ♪


Black Judas frowns on your shenanigans.
 
2013-02-09 12:02:38 PM
I went to a Catholic school and science and religion classes were separate.
 
2013-02-09 12:04:04 PM
It's weird that while I was attending public schools back in the 70's-mid 80's, the only "religion" I was exposed to was in a Comparative Religions class (which was well-taught but far too short, IMHO)

What changed?

/ or is this more of a "Southern" thing?
// attended school in the PNW, the most "unchurched" region of the USA...
 
2013-02-09 12:06:44 PM

CanisNoir: In an English class I once used these lyrics to demonstrate music combined with story telling in a poetic form, should I have been expelled?


Poetry with religious themes in an English class does not equal religious music in a science class.

/And really in any English/History/Art class really.  Examining anything prior to the Enlightenment would be problematic if you had to absolutely separate religion.  Putting it in the historical context of the time is fine.  A teacher promoting a belief in Jesus now is not.
 
2013-02-09 12:07:02 PM
Unless it's from the Animaniacs or TMBG, song's of any kind don't belong in 6th grade learning.
 
2013-02-09 12:07:19 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: It's weird that while I was attending public schools back in the 70's-mid 80's, the only "religion" I was exposed to was in a Comparative Religions class (which was well-taught but far too short, IMHO)

What changed?

/ or is this more of a "Southern" thing?
// attended school in the PNW, the most "unchurched" region of the USA...


It's a southern thing.  The deep south is the largest stronghold of America's so-called religious right.
 
2013-02-09 12:10:49 PM

Summoner101: /And really in any English/History/Art class really. Examining anything prior to the Enlightenment would be problematic if you had to absolutely separate religion. Putting it in the historical context of the time is fine. A teacher promoting a belief in Jesus now is not.


But aren't we rushing to judgement here then, because we don't know what song she sang or the lyrics. All we know is that the kids requested she sing a song she wrote and she sang it. It was not part of the lesson plan, there was no test on it and it didn't effect their grades. In other words, before we nail her to the cross we should get more information.

/yes that was intentional; I'm not above reaching for the low hanging fruit upon occasion.
 
2013-02-09 12:11:16 PM

CanisNoir: Lionel Mandrake: It's music about religion. The teacher needs to stop or be fired.

In an English class I once used these lyrics to demonstrate music combined with story telling in a poetic form, should I have been expelled?


The times when it is permissible to quote or refer to religious materials in a classroom is well-established.  Look into it.

Like most people who don't know what they're talking about, you presume that the opponents of religion in the classroom want all mention of religion banned.
 
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