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2013-02-09 09:32:28 AM
Yeah, not surprising.

What are the judge's personal opinions on marijuana?
 
2013-02-09 09:44:45 AM
Bummer, dude.
 
2013-02-09 10:28:30 AM
So what you're saying is that nothing has changed?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-09 11:16:12 AM
"We thought the word 'dispensary' was just too dangerous and would cause us to lose at the polls," he said.

Pot backers offered a compromise to get public support and are now being held to their word.
 
2013-02-09 11:30:31 AM

ZAZ: "We thought the word 'dispensary' was just too dangerous and would cause us to lose at the polls," he said.

Pot backers offered a compromise to get public support and are now being held to their word.


mhmm
should have just gone with the:
legal to buy and sell to all adults.
retail and wholesale allowed.
age restrictions the same as tobacco or alcohol or which ever is higher.
taxes to be collected by the same people who collect alc and tobacco taxes.
no limits on sales
no limits on possession
DUI/DWI to apply as it currently does
increased punishments for selling to a minor
commercial and private growing allowed. period.

automatic firing of LEOs for harassing, buyers, sellers, users

/LOLOLOLOL
/You know, freedom!
 
2013-02-09 11:54:06 AM
fark, fark, fark, fark, fark
fark, fark, fark
Mother, mother, fark
Mother, mother, fark, fark
Motherfark, motherfark
Noinch, noinch, noinch
One, two, one, two, three, four
Noinch, noinch, noinch
 
2013-02-09 12:36:09 PM
A boon for the black market. Nicely done, Michigan SCOTUS. Making it harder for people to access their medication is such honorable jurisprudence.
 
2013-02-09 12:36:59 PM
Ah Michigan. Still proudly marching backward.
 
2013-02-09 12:37:09 PM
Looking back on growing up in MI surrounded by pot-heads, I think if they'd gone with less restrictive language in the bill they'd have probably had MORE support.

/born in Cadillac
//graduated high school in Mesick
 
2013-02-09 12:46:06 PM

Arumat: Looking back on growing up in MI surrounded by pot-heads, I think if they'd gone with less restrictive language in the bill they'd have probably had MORE support.

/born in Cadillac
//graduated high school in Mesick


Remember which party of "personal responsibility" and "small government" and "personal freedoms" is in charge in Michigan, and then you will realize why the language in the enabling act was structured the way it was.
 
2013-02-09 12:50:15 PM
At this point it's up to the electorate to follow in the footsteps of Washington and Colorado.
 
2013-02-09 12:54:40 PM

ClavellBCMI: Remember which party of "personal responsibility" and "small government" and "personal freedoms" is in charge in Michigan, and then you will realize why the language in the enabling act was structured the way it was.


When did the Libertarian Party get in?
 
2013-02-09 12:55:27 PM
Way to write that ballot initiative dumbasses.  Judge interpreted the law correctly.  Not their fault it was written so poorly.

Michigan is getting super derpy, so I doubt a reworded initiative will pass next go round.  Calvinists in the west side of the state and rednecks everywhere else.
 
2013-02-09 12:55:29 PM

slayer199: At this point it's up to the electorate to follow in the footsteps of Washington and Colorado.


Yup. Let's hope they do. Michigan needs a new industry.
 
2013-02-09 12:56:44 PM
Well the plain language says you either have to grow your own or you have a caregiver grow it for you, and that caregiver can only grow for a limited # of people.  The Michigan Supreme Court is normally textualist, so this holding is not surprising.
 
2013-02-09 01:02:22 PM
You want to know the real reason for this?  They can't explain to their children why there is a pot shop on the corner.  It's a constant reminder how full of shiat they are.
 
2013-02-09 01:04:32 PM

lewismarktwo: You want to know the real reason for this?  They can't explain to their children why there is a pot shop on the corner.  It's a constant reminder how full of shiat they are.


yeah that's true.  now shut up shutting up.
 
2013-02-09 01:07:35 PM
Marijuana needs its own 21st Amendment, ending federal prohibition and giving all power over this to individual states. (It's constitutional for a state to ban alcohol if it chooses.)
 
2013-02-09 01:07:55 PM
I'm not saying tthat its the problem nor that would make much of a difference.
But it seems to me, that if they are hoping to help sufferers of chronic pain related to things like spinal surgery and glaucoma.
Maybe it isn't good PR to go up against local - state - federal, opinion and law when you're marketing "medical" treatment products that go by the product names of Moonshine Haze and Tangerine Trainwreck.
 
2013-02-09 01:07:58 PM
It's no surprise the dispensaries really weren't making a difference like they said they would.
 
2013-02-09 01:10:42 PM

DownDaRiver: I'm not saying tthat its the problem nor that would make much of a difference.
But it seems to me, that if they are hoping to help sufferers of chronic pain related to things like spinal surgery and glaucoma.
Maybe it isn't good PR to go up against local - state - federal, opinion and law when you're marketing "medical" treatment products that go by the product names of Moonshine Haze and Tangerine Trainwreck.


See that is the other thing that doesn't make it believable as a cure for anything and the medicinal thing is just an excuse to smoke the shiat. if you were average Joe would you take a medication labeled Moonbeam Rainbows?
 
2013-02-09 01:15:24 PM

alice_600: DownDaRiver: I'm not saying tthat its the problem nor that would make much of a difference.
But it seems to me, that if they are hoping to help sufferers of chronic pain related to things like spinal surgery and glaucoma.
Maybe it isn't good PR to go up against local - state - federal, opinion and law when you're marketing "medical" treatment products that go by the product names of Moonshine Haze and Tangerine Trainwreck.

See that is the other thing that doesn't make it believable as a cure for anything and the medicinal thing is just an excuse to smoke the shiat. if you were average Joe would you take a medication labeled Moonbeam Rainbows?


Hey look it's a couple people who don't know crap about cannabis being used medically. Cannabis has several distinct genetic lineages which are appropriate for different maladies (need to eat something after your chemo? Try indica or a hybrid thereof) and these lineages have been combined in thousands of ways by many people all over the world, seeking various affects. These names are basically a record of that genetic lineage which helps people judge which strain is most appropriate for their condition.

/the more you know
 
2013-02-09 01:21:27 PM

ZAZ: "We thought the word 'dispensary' was just too dangerous and would cause us to lose at the polls," he said.

Pot backers offered a compromise Trojan Horse to get public support and are now being held to their word.


Say what you mean, mean what you say.
 
2013-02-09 01:21:49 PM
never heard of a Pharmacy that is a private club

really this is my whole issue with "Medical Marihuana", while there are people who really do need it. the Majority are just normal people who got cards for a "my arms hurt when i lift a lot of stuff"

Push for Legalization, but not this half-ass BS. Your not fooling anyone
 
2013-02-09 01:25:52 PM

alice_600: See that is the other thing that doesn't make it believable as a cure for anything and the medicinal thing is just an excuse to smoke the shiat. if you were average Joe would you take a medication labeled Moonbeam Rainbows?


No, let's just take a medication called  (5R,9R,13S,14S)-4,5α-epoxy-14-hydroxy-3-methoxy-17-methylmorph inan-6-one.

Look, I don't even smoke the stuff, but I'd rather have people use this than all of the violence in this gd state that is related to Vicodin, Percocet, Oxy, Roxy, Dilaudid, etc.

Yes, there's the risk of cancer because you're smoking something, but have you read what kind of side effects you get with long-term use of anything I described? Oh, and let's not talk about the thousands of deaths related to those 'legal' pharmaceuticals. At the end of the day, if I had a choice between 'Moonbeam Rainbows' that was regulated by the state so I could know for sure what I'm getting like we do with current pharmaceuticals and  (5R,9R,13S,14S)-4,5α-epoxy-14-hydroxy-3-methoxy-17-methylmorph inan-6-one, I'm going to choose Moonbeam Rainbows.
 
2013-02-09 01:25:57 PM

alice_600: DownDaRiver: I'm not saying tthat its the problem nor that would make much of a difference.
But it seems to me, that if they are hoping to help sufferers of chronic pain related to things like spinal surgery and glaucoma.
Maybe it isn't good PR to go up against local - state - federal, opinion and law when you're marketing "medical" treatment products that go by the product names of Moonshine Haze and Tangerine Trainwreck.

See that is the other thing that doesn't make it believable as a cure for anything and the medicinal thing is just an excuse to smoke the shiat. if you were average Joe would you take a medication labeled Moonbeam Rainbows?


Yes. Yes I would.
 
2013-02-09 01:27:44 PM
They didn't push it to the parking lot, they just ended the "free market".

What they also did was open a loophole.  The same loophole that the OMMP created and functions on in Oregon.  It states that you cannot sell cannabis.

The fix?  Register a 503c Non-Profit and take reimbursements and donations.


TA-DA!
 
2013-02-09 01:29:44 PM

alice_600: DownDaRiver: I'm not saying tthat its the problem nor that would make much of a difference.
But it seems to me, that if they are hoping to help sufferers of chronic pain related to things like spinal surgery and glaucoma.
Maybe it isn't good PR to go up against local - state - federal, opinion and law when you're marketing "medical" treatment products that go by the product names of Moonshine Haze and Tangerine Trainwreck.

See that is the other thing that doesn't make it believable as a cure for anything and the medicinal thing is just an excuse to smoke the shiat. if you were average Joe would you take a medication labeled Moonbeam Rainbows?


Yes, I would.
If I was hoping that the drug would not only help my affliction but that is also had the side affect of sending me off into la-la land for awhile. If I were the type of person that sought and enjoyed altered states of mind like that.
 
2013-02-09 01:36:56 PM

MichiganFTL: alice_600: See that is the other thing that doesn't make it believable as a cure for anything and the medicinal thing is just an excuse to smoke the shiat. if you were average Joe would you take a medication labeled Moonbeam Rainbows?

No, let's just take a medication called  (5R,9R,13S,14S)-4,5α-epoxy-14-hydroxy-3-methoxy-17-methylmorph inan-6-one.

Look, I don't even smoke the stuff, but I'd rather have people use this than all of the violence in this gd state that is related to Vicodin, Percocet, Oxy, Roxy, Dilaudid, etc.

Yes, there's the risk of cancer because you're smoking something, but have you read what kind of side effects you get with long-term use of anything I described? Oh, and let's not talk about the thousands of deaths related to those 'legal' pharmaceuticals. At the end of the day, if I had a choice between 'Moonbeam Rainbows' that was regulated by the state so I could know for sure what I'm getting like we do with current pharmaceuticals and  (5R,9R,13S,14S)-4,5α-epoxy-14-hydroxy-3-methoxy-17-methylmorph inan-6-one, I'm going to choose Moonbeam Rainbows.


You tottally missed the point of my comment.
 
2013-02-09 01:38:33 PM

jjwars1: slayer199: At this point it's up to the electorate to follow in the footsteps of Washington and Colorado.

Yup. Let's hope they do. Michigan needs a new industry.


I still say once broke ass states like Michigan see the tax revenue streams generated in Colorado and Washington you'll see a sudden upwelling in the concern for the sick and down trodden patients.
 
2013-02-09 01:40:43 PM

Alphakronik: They didn't push it to the parking lot, they just ended the "free market".

What they also did was open a loophole.  The same loophole that the OMMP created and functions on in Oregon.  It states that you cannot sell cannabis.

The fix?  Register a 503c Non-Profit and take reimbursements and donations.


TA-DA!


I think what this ruling says is that you can be a patient or caregiver and exchange marijuana, but you can't provide a place whose purpose is to facilitate such exchanges for other caregivers or patients who are not your patients. So, no.
 
2013-02-09 01:49:00 PM

DownDaRiver: You tottally missed the point of my comment.


No, I think I understand you were going for the 'How can you be taken seriously if you name your 'medication' Spaceship Stardoodle'? But I'm just saying that people have no problem with buying a pill which is named after the letters Pfizer threw at a dartboard.
 
2013-02-09 01:49:02 PM

Nem Wan: Marijuana needs its own 21st Amendment, ending federal prohibition and giving all power over this to individual states. (It's constitutional for a state to ban alcohol if it chooses.)


21st was only needed because there was an 18th.  Adding one to "end" a "federal prohibition" on something the constitution gives it no power to prohibit in the first place would be dividing by zero.
 
2013-02-09 01:49:49 PM
Yeah, no.  I read the law verbatim and it states you cannot as open shop to "sell", says nothing about non-profit entities.  You might wanna go read the ruling again if you missed that the first time.


Of course, we'll see how they get around it in time.
 
2013-02-09 01:53:35 PM
It's still legal to grow if you have a medical marijuana card, and there are plenty of people who have cards who grow a lot more than the use. Some people get their card just so they can grow it and make money.

This won't affect that much - instead of selling to a dispensary, they'll sell directly to other people.

...besides, blame California dispensaries and their adjacent Doctor Feelgood offices where anybody can get a script for $25 because of "stress". Voters didn't pass the law so pot use would become common place; they voted for it out of compassion for people with chronic pain or terminal illnesses.
 
2013-02-09 01:59:55 PM
Can I get a card for living in Detroit? Is that instant qualification? I mean, it IS hazardous to my physical and mental health. I have to have a Detroit-related tumor somewhere...

Smoke 'em if you got 'em.
 
jgi
2013-02-09 02:02:02 PM
This sounds as though Michigan still thinks the auto companies are going to benevolently swoop in and save them. They already scared Hollywood away, and now they're trying to crush another possible income stream. I love Michigan; I was born and raised there, I return often, and I love to vacation up north. But the more they legislate their economy away, the more brain drain they will experience. Politicians have ruined Detroit and they are attempting to ruin the entire state. What's next, fracking in Sleeping Bear?
 
2013-02-09 02:02:22 PM

Zeno-25: alice_600: DownDaRiver: I'm not saying tthat its the problem nor that would make much of a difference.
But it seems to me, that if they are hoping to help sufferers of chronic pain related to things like spinal surgery and glaucoma.
Maybe it isn't good PR to go up against local - state - federal, opinion and law when you're marketing "medical" treatment products that go by the product names of Moonshine Haze and Tangerine Trainwreck.

See that is the other thing that doesn't make it believable as a cure for anything and the medicinal thing is just an excuse to smoke the shiat. if you were average Joe would you take a medication labeled Moonbeam Rainbows?

Hey look it's a couple people who don't know crap about cannabis being used medically. Cannabis has several distinct genetic lineages which are appropriate for different maladies (need to eat something after your chemo? Try indica or a hybrid thereof) and these lineages have been combined in thousands of ways by many people all over the world, seeking various affects. These names are basically a record of that genetic lineage which helps people judge which strain is most appropriate for their condition.

/the more you know


You have also missed the point of my comment. But feel free to continue to be condesending from atop your shoebox.
 
2013-02-09 02:06:21 PM
assets.amuniversal.com
 
2013-02-09 02:13:41 PM

MichiganFTL: DownDaRiver: You tottally missed the point of my comment.

No, I think I understand you were going for the 'How can you be taken seriously if you name your 'medication' Spaceship Stardoodle'? But I'm just saying that people have no problem with buying a pill which is named after the letters Pfizer threw at a dartboard.


No, you don't understand.
Pfizer et al, have legal standing to market and sell their products. They are accepted wholy world-wide and have been for a long, long time.
I'm not saying their products are competely safe and should be used without care or judgement.
But they aren't up against a battle to have their product legalized and accepted for sale.
I don't smoke anymore, haven't for years but I'm not against smokers and I do feel that there are benifits for sufferers of many ailments.
I was simply trying to point out that if you are trying to pursuade law and opinion. That it might be benificial to your cause if you simply toned down the hippy-dippy references and names for the products you are trying to get approved for "medical" treatments.
 
2013-02-09 02:14:40 PM

jgi: This sounds as though Michigan still thinks the auto companies are going to benevolently swoop in and save them. They already scared Hollywood away, and now they're trying to crush another possible income stream. I love Michigan; I was born and raised there, I return often, and I love to vacation up north. But the more they legislate their economy away, the more brain drain they will experience. Politicians have ruined Detroit and they are attempting to ruin the entire state. What's next, fracking in Sleeping Bear?


Actually it's suppose to be the alternative energy industry but that was voted down by the public because everyone was too high to notice when the power companies were lying their asses off.
 
2013-02-09 02:42:01 PM

cretinbob: fark, fark, fark, fark, fark
fark, fark, fark
Mother, mother, fark
Mother, mother, fark, fark
Motherfark, motherfark
Noinch, noinch, noinch
One, two, one, two, three, four
Noinch, noinch, noinch


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2013-02-09 02:42:12 PM

megarian: Can I get a card for living in Detroit? Is that instant qualification? I mean, it IS hazardous to my physical and mental health. I have to have a Detroit-related tumor somewhere...

Smoke 'em if you got 'em.


Detroit related tumors usually look like small lumps of copper-jacketed lead on an xray.
 
2013-02-09 02:44:04 PM

Hagbardr: megarian: Can I get a card for living in Detroit? Is that instant qualification? I mean, it IS hazardous to my physical and mental health. I have to have a Detroit-related tumor somewhere...

Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

Detroit related tumors usually look like small lumps of copper-jacketed lead on an xray.


Hm. I don't know if my insurance covers Kevlar.
 
2013-02-09 02:44:43 PM
I live in Michigan. We're a no-fault state. I did my divorce by myself (with the aid of a book). My total cost was about $400 if you include parking, travel to the courthouse, sending registered mail, and court fees.

It's insane that lawyers make a few thousand on an uncontested divorce. If it's uncontested, anybody with basic reading skills and a little time on their hands can do it for 1/10 the cost of hiring a lawyer. You only need a lawyer if it's contested or if there's a custody issue.

Buy this book, and have at it, kids:
ecx.images-amazon.com

It has most of the forms and instructions you'll need. The people in the county clerk's office will provide the rest. It's SO easy, and won't cost you all that much.
 
2013-02-09 02:50:34 PM
The problem was that as soon as the law passed in the first place, there were whole sections of many towns that turned into nothing but marijuana dispensaries, and these places didn't just attract sick people. Many of them have been busted for back-door sales of not just weed, but other drugs. You could find whole blocks where it was one storefront after another dedicated to this business. It was getting ugly, and other nearby businesses were not only suffering, but they were getting squeezed out.

I'm all for legalizing, but the way we did it was a little sloppy, and a lot of parasites jumped in and took advantage.
 
2013-02-09 02:55:42 PM
Marijuana sales leading to sales of other drugs?  Haven't the pot heads of the world spent 40 years saying that this wouldn't happen?

/criminalize it.
 
2013-02-09 02:57:03 PM
Ah, damn.. sorry about the divorce thing. Wrong thread.
 
2013-02-09 03:00:33 PM

cleverscreenname77: Marijuana sales leading to sales of other drugs?  Haven't the pot heads of the world spent 40 years saying that this wouldn't happen?

/criminalize it.


posting retarded and ill informed comments leads to complications including increased troll like behavior, increased likelihood of being ignored and massive Dunning-Kruger infections.

at least there is a viable vaccine to protect the rest of us from infected individuals like you.
 
2013-02-09 03:13:18 PM
Sounds like the legislature worked the resolution to be voted on in such a way it gave the people what they wanted with out really giving it to them.  Not saying it needs to be a wild west situation wilth anyone able to open up shop but a middle ground can and should be found.
 
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