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2013-02-09 07:27:59 AM
The jersey left wouldn't be so bad if the signage for the turns was better. Most give no advance warning, the sign is half knocked over, is about 3 square inches or poorly lit at night so as to make you miss the turn and have to take 3 other jughandles to get where you were going
 
2013-02-09 07:59:12 AM

Dead for Tax Reasons: The jersey left wouldn't be so bad if the signage for the turns was better. Most give no advance warning, the sign is half knocked over, is about 3 square inches or poorly lit at night so as to make you miss the turn and have to take 3 other jughandles to get where you were going


Also some of them are a mile before the freaking turn.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-09 10:37:12 AM
What annoys me is when a road has some left turns to turn left and some right turns to turn left.  All jughandles, all the time I could live with.
 
2013-02-09 10:58:45 AM
And roundabouts. Don't forget the f***ing roundabouts.

I always thought that Jersey's "we'll pump your gas for you" law is something of an apology.
 
2013-02-09 10:58:48 AM
These are not complicated things folks. I agree with the above observation that better signage would help, but.... It ain't rocket science
 
2013-02-09 11:00:36 AM
Having lived in NJ with jughandles and now am in Memphis, TN with suicide lanes (center lane that everyone from both sides of traffic get into to turn left) and left turn intersections across 3 lanes of traffic.. I can say jughandles are far better and safer.
 
2013-02-09 11:00:51 AM
FTA: Where else are you forced to turn right to go left?

This guy never heard of a Michigan left?
 
2013-02-09 11:01:17 AM

Sun Khan: And roundabouts. Don't forget the f***ing roundabouts.

I always thought that Jersey's "we'll pump your gas for you" law is something of an apology.


Know how I know you aren't from new Jersey?

/it's called a circle
 
2013-02-09 11:02:17 AM
i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-09 11:04:40 AM
But what about its step to the right?

www.rockymusic.org
 
2013-02-09 11:05:25 AM

derpy: [i46.tinypic.com image 640x388]


I prefer the pelvic thrust.
 
2013-02-09 11:05:43 AM

derpy: [i46.tinypic.com image 640x388]


(shakes tiny fist)

/I'd have beat you if my first image hadn't been a crap link
 
2013-02-09 11:08:09 AM

5monkeys: Sun Khan: And roundabouts. Don't forget the f***ing roundabouts.

I always thought that Jersey's "we'll pump your gas for you" law is something of an apology.

Know how I know you aren't from new Jersey?

/it's called a circle


rotary
 
2013-02-09 11:13:13 AM
They're there to stop their NASCAR driver plague.
 
2013-02-09 11:13:27 AM

2_glass_eyes: FTA: Where else are you forced to turn right to go left?

This guy never heard of a Michigan left?


Is that where a person with Michigan's average driving skill tries to make a right but turns the steering wheel the wrong way and crashes into oncoming traffic?
 
2013-02-09 11:17:22 AM
 
2013-02-09 11:22:43 AM

picturescrazy: 2_glass_eyes: FTA: Where else are you forced to turn right to go left?

This guy never heard of a Michigan left?

Is that where a person with Michigan's average driving skill tries to make a right but turns the steering wheel the wrong way and crashes into oncoming traffic?


I knew where you lived before I clicked on your profile.  No, they're a thing, but god only knows what's a turn lane in that state.  Or rather, isn't.
 
2013-02-09 11:28:51 AM

Sun Khan: And roundabouts. Don't forget the f***ing roundabouts.

I always thought that Jersey's "we'll pump your gas for you" law is something of an apology.


why do people have such a chubbie about pumping your own gas?
/barely any circles left now
 
2013-02-09 11:29:12 AM
I love em.  I moved away from New Jersey about a year ago and I hate it when I get into the left lane and expect to start breezing along, only to get stuck behind some idiot making a left who decided to slow down to 25mph before the turn, even though the left turn lane is a quarter mile long... it irks me.

/cool story, bro:  I was at work one day in NJ when this guy came in from out of state for training (flew into Philly).  He comes up to the desk and I ask him how his trip was.  He says, "Man, I had a HELL of a time gettin here.  Left turns must be  taboo in this state."  I lol'd.
 
2013-02-09 11:32:26 AM

Sun Khan: And roundabouts. Don't forget the f***ing roundabouts.


Roundabouts are cool! They're low-tech, no traffic lights needed. Just remember that the people already ON the roundabout have the right-of-way and you won't have any problems.
 
2013-02-09 11:43:36 AM
Because New Jersey is a drive through state, I have no problem with whatever means allows me to get out of it faster. Traffic circles and jughandles are just two more reasons to never ever live there.
 
2013-02-09 11:47:55 AM

NutWrench: Sun Khan: And roundabouts. Don't forget the f***ing roundabouts.

Roundabouts are cool! They're low-tech, no traffic lights needed. Just remember that the people already ON the roundabout have the right-of-way and you won't have any problems.


You're funny.  Roundabouts work well for new construction with people who are used to using them.  They are terrible for people who don't use them regularly.  They increase the number of low speed accidents over other vehicle control measures.  They violate two ingrained rules of the rode: yield to the right and don't pass on the right.
 
2013-02-09 12:10:26 PM

NutWrench: Sun Khan: And roundabouts. Don't forget the f***ing roundabouts.

Roundabouts are cool! They're low-tech, no traffic lights needed. Just remember that the people already ON the roundabout have the right-of-way and you won't have any problems.


Americans can handle the one lane roundabout but if you put two or more lanes in it, their heads blow up.
 
2013-02-09 12:23:43 PM

NutWrench: Sun Khan: And roundabouts. Don't forget the f***ing roundabouts.

Roundabouts are cool!


In and and around the lake, yeah, but mountains come out of the sky and they stand there.

/boros & twps, don't forget them
 
2013-02-09 12:28:01 PM
THAT'S what the deal with those is... I didn't realize. The first time I went to Fort Dix was when everyone was deploying to Iraq from McGuire AFB, so we were staying off post and had to commute; I almost got killed at one of those intersections. At least, I think that's what it was, it was dark and I was following someone else so I didn't really know what I was getting into.

I learned quickly though, two weeks commuting on the turnpike was an interesting teacher compared to Rochester NY. When they say 25 mph on an on/off ramp, they MEAN it.
 
2013-02-09 01:12:49 PM
The one time I ever got off the pike, cars turning out of side streets would wait until you were close so they could pull out right in front of you.

/don't get off the pike. There are bathrooms in Delaware.
 
2013-02-09 01:22:22 PM
The jughandles are alright when they're done well, but too often they intersect the cross street too close to the intersection.  So cars stopped for the light on the cross street block you from making the left onto the cross street, and once the light changes oncoming traffic prevents you from making the turn.
I think the problem is the real-estate required.  Not necessarily when they're first built, but if the streets get busier it's nearly impossible to rebuild the jughandle to handle more traffic.
 
2013-02-09 01:39:22 PM
PA completely rebuilt US Rt. 22 from Murraysville to Altoona and removed almost all left turns, and expanded it to 2 lanes in each direction. There are lots of jughandles now, and left turn lanes at lights. In several places where there used to be only 1 lane in each direction with a dashed yellow line in the middle and a 55mph speed limit, there is now 2 lanes in each direction with a Jersey barrier in the middle and a 45mph speed limit. WTF PA.
 
2013-02-09 01:45:06 PM

fitter420: Because New Jersey is a drive through state, I have no problem with whatever means allows me to get out of it faster. Traffic circles and jughandles are just two more reasons to never ever live there.


Yep.  In philly you'll always hear jokes that there is a reason entering NJ is free but they make you pay to leave.....
 
2013-02-09 01:45:10 PM
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2013-02-09 01:51:31 PM

Uniquely Common: Having lived in NJ with jughandles and now am in Memphis, TN with suicide lanes (center lane that everyone from both sides of traffic get into to turn left) and left turn intersections across 3 lanes of traffic.. I can say jughandles are far better and safer.


Driving from Augusta, Ga into SC was my introduction to the suicide lane at +55 mph. OMG, i could not believe such a thing was allowed or that it was in any way safe.... That was the minute i started calling NJ "home".
 
2013-02-09 01:56:53 PM
This article is a surprise.

I did not know New Jersey has laws.
 
2013-02-09 01:57:03 PM
....and who would have thought that taking people off their route of travel, in the complete opposite direction they are wanting to turn, and, after a series of rights, deposits them back on the route they were on previously, would cut down on traffic.  I'm convinced the that NJ has the same traffic solutions that my SimCity had in 1996.  Traffic problems?  Just turn all corners and some roads into big circles and, for whatever reason, traffic is eliminated, never mind you need to travel 20 miles just to get 10.......


/left turn lanes and arrow lights, please....
 
2013-02-09 01:57:40 PM

leevis: derpy: [i46.tinypic.com image 640x388]

I prefer the pelvic thrust.


That really drive me insane.

Agent Smiths Laugh: derpy: [i46.tinypic.com image 640x388]

(shakes tiny fist)

/I'd have beat you if my first image hadn't been a crap link


Nah, it's perfect just like it is.  Think about it.
 
2013-02-09 02:24:26 PM

2_glass_eyes: FTA: Where else are you forced to turn right to go left?

This guy never heard of a Michigan left?


This.
 
2013-02-09 02:44:35 PM

NutWrench: Sun Khan: And roundabouts. Don't forget the f***ing roundabouts.

Roundabouts are cool! They're low-tech, no traffic lights needed. Just remember that the people already ON the roundabout have the right-of-way and you won't have any problems.


In some roundabouts marmots come out of the sky AND THEY STAND THERE!!!
 
2013-02-09 03:39:04 PM

Uniquely Common: Having lived in NJ with jughandles and now am in Memphis, TN with suicide lanes (center lane that everyone from both sides of traffic get into to turn left) and left turn intersections across 3 lanes of traffic.. I can say jughandles are far better and safer.


Those aren't suicide lanes, those are turn lanes and are pretty common throughout the country.  If you want to see suicide lanes you need to go one more state over and drive around in Arkansas.  They have on/off ramps that cross over opposing lanes of traffic that are required to yield to the ramps.  There was one near where I lived growing up that had at least one accident a week.  Of course, to be fair, I think they inherited the whole system from Texas.
 
2013-02-09 03:55:17 PM

StrangeQ: f you want to see suicide lanes you need to go one more state over and drive around in Arkansas.  They have on/off ramps that cross over opposing lanes of traffic that are required to yield to the ramps.  There was one near where I lived growing up that had at least one accident a week.  Of course, to be fair, I think they inherited the whole system from Texas.


Except in Texas, the ramp or "frontage road" only goes in the same direction that the highway you're getting off/on goes, meaning you don't have to cross any incoming traffic.

Arkansas' system is just plain stupid but then again, it's Arkansas.

/Sorry if you're from Arkansas
//Doesn't see the logic behind how Arkansas designs its on/off ramps
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-09 05:01:12 PM
MarkEC

Did the widened highway have curbs? Some DOTs have a policy of reducing the speed limit to 45 when curbs are installed. The lower speed limit gives them somebody else to blame if a car hits a curb and wrecks.
 
2013-02-09 08:06:51 PM

Clemkadidlefark: This article is a surprise.

I did not know New Jersey has laws.


============

In Jersey everything is legal.......until you get caught.
 
2013-02-09 10:27:11 PM

Uniquely Common: Having lived in NJ with jughandles and now am in Memphis, TN with suicide lanes (center lane that everyone from both sides of traffic get into to turn left) and left turn intersections across 3 lanes of traffic.. I can say jughandles are far better and safer.


I recently moved to Memphis after growing up in NJ and spending a few years in CA and it seems like Memphis drivers are a different breed.  There were suicide lanes in CA, but I've seen more close calls in the two months I've been here than in the whole time I was in LA.
 
2013-02-10 11:15:18 AM

Scientician: Uniquely Common: Having lived in NJ with jughandles and now am in Memphis, TN with suicide lanes (center lane that everyone from both sides of traffic get into to turn left) and left turn intersections across 3 lanes of traffic.. I can say jughandles are far better and safer.

I recently moved to Memphis after growing up in NJ and spending a few years in CA and it seems like Memphis drivers are a different breed.  There were suicide lanes in CA, but I've seen more close calls in the two months I've been here than in the whole time I was in LA.


The drivers here really are in a league of their own, 95% of the time turn signals are optional, and if you do use yours just be prepared for at some point in time the person in the other lane will speed up and pace you to block you from merging or getting over then act like you're the jerk for daring to need to come into "their" lane. Also because insurance is mandatory in TN if you're ever in a fender bender the odds of a hit in run are greatly higher because a lot of people still don't pay for insurance and would rather chance running (most likely getting away) then going directly to jail for not having insurance. Also remember Memphis driving is water soluble. If a drop of any type of precipitation hits the road, all remaining driving skills completely dissolve.  Welcome to Memphis! (run!)
 
2013-02-10 07:06:16 PM

StrangeQ: Uniquely Common: Having lived in NJ with jughandles and now am in Memphis, TN with suicide lanes (center lane that everyone from both sides of traffic get into to turn left) and left turn intersections across 3 lanes of traffic.. I can say jughandles are far better and safer.

Those aren't suicide lanes, those are turn lanes and are pretty common throughout the country.  If you want to see suicide lanes you need to go one more state over and drive around in Arkansas.  They have on/off ramps that cross over opposing lanes of traffic that are required to yield to the ramps.  There was one near where I lived growing up that had at least one accident a week.  Of course, to be fair, I think they inherited the whole system from Texas.


we have those in NJ, they're called "weaving lanes" and the one who blinks first loses right of way
 
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