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(RONPAUL.COM)   RON PAUL calls on United Nations to confiscate RONPAUL.com and RONPAUL.org from his supporters, says the New World Order doesn't seem so bad as long as he gets his money   (ronpaul.com) divider line 29
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2013-02-09 11:56:42 AM
9 votes:
I post this in nearly every Ron Paul thread because I feel it's prescient:


There is a special valueset that Ron Paul advocates, and this valueset always seems to attract the most fearlessly individualistic: Libertarians, militia groups, Objectivists, 4channers and teenage miscreants -- in other words, people who are total shiat-bags and want to live in a system where they are permitted to be total shiat-bags without consequence.

They call it "freedom", of course, but truth be known there are more important things in society than freedom, which to these people has been wrapped into its own religious mythology so pure and exalted that it has stunted their personal growth as normal, able-bodied, well-adjusted people ("freedom", after all, isn't a reason to do things; it is a rationalization for doing them).

They also subscribe to the Austrian School of Economics, which is an economic system that consists entirely of ideological catchphrases, talking points and flowing rhetoric deliberately left open to interpretation, has no scientific basis or any practical application, and conflicts with obvious empirical data (Austrian school is in opposition to empiricism. Their papers use no math, in a subject that is all about math). One of the most distinguishing characteristics of most followers of the Austrian school is that they often display a gross misunderstanding of modern economics.

But probably the worst thing about Ron Paul, his followers and their socio-political ideological underpinnings is their inherent belief that everyone will behave themselves if we all just leave each other alone. This ideal -- the honor system -- has never been known to work in any open system, location or culture in the history of the world.

Any philosophy (whether its political, or moral, or economic) that doesn't start with the basic premise that people are flaming assholes is fundamentally flawed.
2013-02-09 01:17:06 PM
7 votes:

rynthetyn: And they claimed that the $250k wasn't for the domain, it was for their mailing list, which they want us to believe is a completely untapped resource that's actually worth that much. I don't think a buck fifty a name is anywhere near a reasonable price to charge for an email list that's probably half fake addresses and the other half people who are already on RON PAUL'S mailing list.


Define "reasonable."

If you don't believe the price is "reasonable," you can turn down the transaction.  For instance, if you're dying of dehydration in the middle of a hurricane and a guy wants to charge you $500 for a bottle of Aquafina, Ron Paul thinks that's okay.  That's how free market principles apply to other people.  Why don't these same free market principles seem to apply to Ron Paul?

The owner of ronpaul.com paid $25,000 for the domain on ebay in 2008.  Since the seller wanted to get as high of a price as possible, I'm sure that the official Ron Paul campaign was alerted.  The Ron Paul campaign had more than enough money to pay for it, but they decided to funnel their campaign dollars into paying off Ron Paul's own family.  Now Ron Paul is demanding that the other person who did pay $25,000 for the domain to turn it over for free.

Explain how this is "reasonable."
2013-02-09 10:09:21 AM
7 votes:
Ah, the hypocrisy of "libertarianism". Government is EVIL, stealing your liberties at gun point... at least until I need it and then it's fine.
2013-02-09 10:14:04 AM
6 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Corvus: Ah, the hypocrisy of "libertarianism". Government is EVIL, stealing your liberties at gun point... at least until I need it and then it's fine.

This isn't anything new.

RON PAUL is ok with abuses of power and tyranny as long as its done on a state level.


Well the UN is not really state level. Neither is the federal ban on same sex marriage that he also supports.

The guy is an ass and his followers are fools.
2013-02-09 08:03:56 AM
5 votes:
The invisible hand of the market will take care of this.  People will stop going to those sites once they realize they aren't the official ones, the owner will lose money and sell them.  Don't give up the dream Ron.
2013-02-09 11:19:37 AM
4 votes:

odinsposse: ItchyMcDoogle: I remember when the Libertarians had alot of liberals in the party and were kinda left leaning. That does not seem to be the case anymore. Bunch a free market nutjobs who think Ann Rand is the second coming now it looks like. Now its like the Libertarians and Republicans are fighting to see who can be the bigger a-hole while both agreeing that democrats suck.

That's because Republicans realize how embarrassing their policies have been and started to self-identify as "Independent" and "Libertarian." When Sean Hannity says he's a Libertarian then you know that brand is done and you need to burn it down and start over somewhere else.


Exactly. I was going to make a similar statement. That is part of what helped mess up Mitt Romney's own polling; the misconception he had the majority of "independent" voters and not realizing they were not true "independents", but Republicans. It has gotten to the point that most self-procalimed "Independents" are really just Republicans upset with the national party, but still vote a pretty much an all Republican ballot. Towards the end of the election, political pundits like John Avlon started using the term "centrist" voter to differentiate between them and the actual ideological "independent-minded" voters.

"Now its like the Libertarians and Republicans are fighting to see who can be the bigger a-hole while both agreeing that democrats suck."

A friend asked me to listen to Neil Boortz once, sayinghe was a "libertarian", not "Republican" and gave an "independent/common sense" perspective. So I gave dude a listen. He basically was a more bitter and less refined version of Rush Limbaugh. Your statement pretty much sums up Neil Boortz.

As far as Ron Paul goes,this just backs up my assertations I made after the racist fund raising newsletters in his name were revealed that Ron Paul claimed he had no part of. Ron Paul is nothing but a political charlatan.
2013-02-09 10:11:04 AM
4 votes:

Corvus: Ah, the hypocrisy of "libertarianism". Government is EVIL, stealing your liberties at gun point... at least until I need it and then it's fine.


This isn't anything new.

RON PAUL is ok with abuses of power and tyranny as long as its done on a state level.
2013-02-09 10:25:57 AM
3 votes:
I remember when the Libertarians had alot of liberals in the party and were kinda left leaning. That does not seem to be the case anymore. Bunch a free market nutjobs who think Ann Rand is the second coming now it looks like. Now its like the Libertarians and Republicans are fighting to see who can be the bigger a-hole while both agreeing that democrats suck.
2013-02-09 10:22:46 AM
3 votes:

Mrtraveler01: log_jammin: I'm embarrassed to admit that I'm still registered as a libertarian. I was even just across the hall from the county clerks office when I was getting my drivers license renewed a couple of days ago.

I guess I'm just lazy. Or hungover. Or tired. Or all three.

Either way. fark the LP and fark RON PAUL.

To be fair, Ron Paul isn't a member of the Libertarian Party, he's just a Republican pretending to be a Libertarian.

But the LP is screwed up enough on its own without his help.


Oh I know. But the LP is filled with members who pretend they aren't republicans.
2013-02-10 10:43:39 AM
2 votes:
Christ, what an asshole.
2013-02-09 10:35:05 AM
2 votes:

ItchyMcDoogle: I remember when the Libertarians had alot of liberals in the party and were kinda left leaning. That does not seem to be the case anymore. Bunch a free market nutjobs who think Ann Rand is the second coming now it looks like. Now its like the Libertarians and Republicans are fighting to see who can be the bigger a-hole while both agreeing that democrats suck.


That's because Republicans realize how embarrassing their policies have been and started to self-identify as "Independent" and "Libertarian." When Sean Hannity says he's a Libertarian then you know that brand is done and you need to burn it down and start over somewhere else.
2013-02-09 10:33:51 AM
2 votes:

ItchyMcDoogle: I remember when the Libertarians had alot of liberals in the party and were kinda left leaning. That does not seem to be the case anymore. Bunch a free market nutjobs who think Ann Rand is the second coming now it looks like. Now its like the Libertarians and Republicans are fighting to see who can be the bigger a-hole while both agreeing that democrats suck.


You can count on two things from Republicans and libertarians to do without question. Side with business over workers and side with states over individuals.
2013-02-09 10:19:45 AM
2 votes:

log_jammin: I'm embarrassed to admit that I'm still registered as a libertarian. I was even just across the hall from the county clerks office when I was getting my drivers license renewed a couple of days ago.

I guess I'm just lazy. Or hungover. Or tired. Or all three.

Either way. fark the LP and fark RON PAUL.


To be fair, Ron Paul isn't a member of the Libertarian Party, he's just a Republican pretending to be a Libertarian.

But the LP is screwed up enough on its own without his help.
2013-02-09 10:17:25 AM
2 votes:
I'm embarrassed to admit that I'm still registered as a libertarian. I was even just across the hall from the county clerks office when I was getting my drivers license renewed a couple of days ago.

I guess I'm just lazy. Or hungover. Or tired. Or all three.

Either way. fark the LP and fark RON PAUL.
2013-02-10 07:22:39 PM
1 votes:

Jarhead_h: There's no one left who even pretends to be anti-war, anti-tax, anti-government.


If you want to elect someone who is anti-government to a government position, you're both probably better off staying home and taking your meds.  Though, if you think a modern government can exist without taxes, the meds probably won't help much.
2013-02-09 05:18:17 PM
1 votes:
ftfa: Back in 2007 we put our lives on hold for you, Ron, and we invested close to 10,000 hours of tears, sweat and hard work into this site at great personal sacrifice. We helped raise millions of dollars for you, we spread your message of liberty as far and wide as we possibly could, and we went out of our way to defend you against the unjustified attacks by your opponents.  Now that your campaigns are over and you no longer need us, you want to take it all away - and send us off to a UN tribunal?

That's not cool!


 [ilol'd]

It's always funny when a Paulite finally sees RP for who he really is, even if it's only a glimpse.

"And yeah, the scales fell from my eyes and I could see", and all that.
2013-02-09 03:46:25 PM
1 votes:

Troy McClure: "But is it really Ron Paul who is behind all this? Somehow we doubt it."

Even when he tries to take their toys away, RON PAUL cultists stand by their man.


well it has to be a conspiracy, probably involving the fed, black helicopters and agents of the NWO...otherwise the only logical conclusion is that RON PAUL! is a hypocrite, and that is just crazy talk.
2013-02-09 02:42:37 PM
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: Whodat: More proof that RP is crazy as a shiat-house rat.

Where are the usual ron paul supporters? I always assumed they weren't trolls, but I don't see any in this thread for some reason.


Say something about the Civil War, they'll be here like stink on shiat.
2013-02-09 02:21:03 PM
1 votes:
More proof that RP is crazy as a shiat-house rat.
2013-02-09 01:32:04 PM
1 votes:
"But is it really Ron Paul who is behind all this? Somehow we doubt it."

Even when he tries to take their toys away, RON PAUL cultists stand by their man.
2013-02-09 12:18:52 PM
1 votes:

MindStalker: badhatharry: It is kind of a dick move by Paul. His supporters are not exactly squatters.

I thought so until I read their "offer" letter. They offered to give him the .ORG but wanted a quarter million for the .COM


Well according to Ron Paul, fiat dollars are entirely worthless due to hyperinflation, so what exactly is the harm?

Seriously, though.  If the customer doesn't think the price is worth it, he is free not to pay for it.
2013-02-09 11:21:03 AM
1 votes:

Corvus: I serious hope that libertarian island gets created (I kind of doubt it will) because I would love to watch how the fail.


It wouldn't fail.  It would abuse friendship with the US and cheap labor from somewhere else while not allowing any poors to actually be citizens.
2013-02-09 10:58:45 AM
1 votes:

TiiiMMMaHHH: I had a hamlet for breakfast this morning. I like em with some green pepper and onion, too.


Yep, and you'll have a Galt later on the john.
2013-02-09 10:26:03 AM
1 votes:
log_jammin:  But the LP is filled with members who pretend they aren't republicans.

And one-issue "legalize it" stoners, who are too baked to notice the rest of the platform and think its sorta like Liberal, right man?
2013-02-09 10:24:19 AM
1 votes:

log_jammin: Mrtraveler01: log_jammin: I'm embarrassed to admit that I'm still registered as a libertarian. I was even just across the hall from the county clerks office when I was getting my drivers license renewed a couple of days ago.

I guess I'm just lazy. Or hungover. Or tired. Or all three.

Either way. fark the LP and fark RON PAUL.

To be fair, Ron Paul isn't a member of the Libertarian Party, he's just a Republican pretending to be a Libertarian.

But the LP is screwed up enough on its own without his help.

Oh I know. But the LP is filled with members who pretend they aren't republicans.


Exactly my point.

It's a shame really.
2013-02-09 10:20:31 AM
1 votes:
'When I use a word,' RON PAUL said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less.'

RON PAUL's stated views are ever-constant. His actual views are ever-changing.
2013-02-09 10:15:30 AM
1 votes:

Corvus: Mrtraveler01: Corvus: Ah, the hypocrisy of "libertarianism". Government is EVIL, stealing your liberties at gun point... at least until I need it and then it's fine.

This isn't anything new.

RON PAUL is ok with abuses of power and tyranny as long as its done on a state level.

Well the UN is not really state level. Neither is the federal ban on same sex marriage that he also supports.

The guy is an ass and his followers are fools.


I know some folks who buy into this scam sadly.

They're really nice people too.
2013-02-09 10:12:19 AM
1 votes:
I serious hope that libertarian island gets created (I kind of doubt it will) because I would love to watch how the fail.

Most likely it would be like that family guy episode were Peter becomes a Tea Party member gets rid of government but then sets up a group that is 100% identical to government but called something else.
2013-02-09 07:14:17 AM
1 votes:
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