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(RONPAUL.COM)   RON PAUL calls on United Nations to confiscate RONPAUL.com and RONPAUL.org from his supporters, says the New World Order doesn't seem so bad as long as he gets his money   (ronpaul.com) divider line 115
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2013-02-10 12:33:03 AM  

eddiesocket: James F. Campbell: John Galt = Polonius from Hamlet.

Please expound on that.


You mean besides both being "tedious old fools"?

Do your own research. I refuse to post any valuable writing on Fark.
 
2013-02-10 12:54:43 AM  

James F. Campbell: eddiesocket: James F. Campbell: John Galt = Polonius from Hamlet.

Please expound on that.

You mean besides both being "tedious old fools"?

Do your own research. I refuse to post any valuable writing on Fark.


Come on, please? John Galt wasn't even old. Nor was he a fool (taken at face value in Ayn Rand's world). Polonious was the old busybody spying on people and getting accidentally killed. Galt was the pompous, impossibly perfect character  created by a sociopath. I really don't see the connection.
 
2013-02-10 01:41:00 AM  
Something about "to thine own self be true," as in when Galt was refusing to bow to the will of the government and rule them, but within their limitations?

Which was inane, but no more so than the rest of the book with its magical technology and men who could be both super-genius inventors, master-craft investors, perfect-prediction economists, AND the best fry cook ever because superior men are all superior all the time.
 
2013-02-10 06:51:20 AM  

Smackledorfer: Whodat: More proof that RP is crazy as a shiat-house rat.

Where are the usual ron paul supporters? I always assumed they weren't trolls, but I don't see any in this thread for some reason.


Right here. *waves*

And, I think he's barking up the wrong tree this time. Liking a guy for a job doesn't mean I'm with him 100% of the time. I don't really hero-worship.
 
2013-02-10 10:43:39 AM  
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-02-10 10:56:26 AM  
He's not the Messiah.  He's a very naughty boy.
 
2013-02-10 12:50:41 PM  
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Yeah...nice castle. I'm sure that's a great defensive position.

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2013-02-10 01:24:56 PM  

odinsposse: ItchyMcDoogle: I remember when the Libertarians had alot of liberals in the party and were kinda left leaning. That does not seem to be the case anymore. Bunch a free market nutjobs who think Ann Rand is the second coming now it looks like. Now its like the Libertarians and Republicans are fighting to see who can be the bigger a-hole while both agreeing that democrats suck.

That's because Republicans realize how embarrassing their policies have been and started to self-identify as "Independent" and "Libertarian." When Sean Hannity says he's a Libertarian then you know that brand is done and you need to burn it down and start over somewhere else.


Ding-ding.  Glen Beck and Ann Coulter did their part. I WAS a registered libertarian in 1998-2007, re-registered as a Republican to vote for Paul int eh primary, and haven't bothered to vote since.  I'm now living in an entirely different state and I don't think I'll be bothering to re-register as anything ever again.  Ron Paul was the closest thing to an actual libertarian ideal that will ever exist in terms of politicans(Rand is an embarrasment), but he's retired now with no one stepping up to fill his shoes, so why bother?

There's no one left who even pretends to be anti-war, anti-tax, anti-government.  No one left that would say "NO."  Republicans are pro-war and are okay with government and taxes as long as they are in charge of it.  Democrats love government and look to it always for solutions to the littlest problems and want to tax everything, and they are okay with war as long as their people are in charge of it.

War is the health of the state, and since I want to choke the life out of the state I have no one left to represent me.

All government, of course, is against liberty.  - H. L. Mencken
 
2013-02-10 04:48:24 PM  

Jarhead_h: There's no one left who even pretends to be anti-war, anti-tax, anti-government. No one left that would say "NO." Republicans are pro-war and are okay with government and taxes as long as they are in charge of it. Democrats love government and look to it always for solutions to the littlest problems and want to tax everything, and they are okay with war as long as their people are in charge of it.


Not quite.

The truth is both Republicans and Democrats love big government though they employ it in different ways. Republicans use it to enforce moral righteousnous (ie: Prohibition, War on Drugs, church in state institutions, anti-gay crusades, pro-life) while Democrats use it to enforce social righteousnouss (ie: Civil Rights, women's rights, Title IX, immigration). And both use it for war.

The contradictory thing about this is they both publicly loathe big government at the same time, except when it's working in their favour. Republicans dislike when Democrats governments get in the way of business, while Democrats dislike when Republican governments get in the way of community.

Jarhead_h: All government, of course, is against liberty. - H. L. Mencken


What an interesting platitude, without thought or subtlety or nuance, but it feels true which is why Libertarians would like it. Tell me: How does the only entity that can bestow liberty also be the entity most against it?
 
2013-02-10 07:22:39 PM  

Jarhead_h: There's no one left who even pretends to be anti-war, anti-tax, anti-government.


If you want to elect someone who is anti-government to a government position, you're both probably better off staying home and taking your meds.  Though, if you think a modern government can exist without taxes, the meds probably won't help much.
 
2013-02-11 02:38:24 AM  

Ishkur:
Jarhead_h: All government, of course, is against liberty. - H. L. Mencken

What an interesting platitude, without thought or subtlety or nuance, but it feels true which is why Libertarians would like it. Tell me: How does the only entity that can bestow liberty also be the entity most against it?


Bestow liberty?  Liberty is the natural state of man.  It's what we were all born with and it cannot be granted, only infringed on.

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Jarhead_h: There's no one left who even pretends to be anti-war, anti-tax, anti-government.

If you want to elect someone who is anti-government to a government position, you're both probably better off staying home and taking your meds.  Though, if you think a modern government can exist without taxes, the meds probably won't help much.


Tell me, do you have basic reading comprehension skills?  Because when I said that I want to choke the life out of government, how was my intent in any way unclear?
 
2013-02-11 08:21:48 AM  

Jarhead_h: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Jarhead_h: There's no one left who even pretends to be anti-war, anti-tax, anti-government.

If you want to elect someone who is anti-government to a government position, you're both probably better off staying home and taking your meds.  Though, if you think a modern government can exist without taxes, the meds probably won't help much.

Tell me, do you have basic reading comprehension skills?  Because when I said that I want to choke the life out of government, how was my intent in any way unclear?



Ah, so you're one of those retards.  You want anarchy, chaos, and people back to living in small groups in mud huts and ruled over by the guy with the biggest weapons and willingness to use them.  Thanks for clearing that up so that the rest of us who have actually advanced past the beginning of the Holocene Era can safely ignore your ranting.

Translation for you: Jarhead_h idea BAD.
 
2013-02-11 09:18:35 AM  
Q. What's the difference between a Libertarian and an angry teenager?

A. Not a damn thing.
 
2013-02-11 10:43:02 AM  

I created this alt just for this thread: Q. What's the difference between a Libertarian and an angry teenager?


A: An angry teenager can be reasoned with
 
2013-02-11 11:50:20 AM  

Jarhead_h: Bestow liberty? Liberty is the natural state of man. It's what we were all born with and it cannot be granted, only infringed on.


Wrong.

Liberty cannot and DOES NOT exist as an independent value set. True freedom -- or property, or rights, or life, or ownership of things in a complex modern society -- is a social conceit, not an individual one. You can claim you are free but your freedom is meaningless if no one else recognizes that freedom. In other words, liberty is not an *I* thing, it is a *WE* thing.

Now, you need a system to honor your liberty, and to build the kind of infrastructure that makes your freedom meaningful, makes your property valuable, and makes your rights honorable. That kind of system entails rules, laws, government, and the social contract. Government is the only entity that can do these things. Not you. You have liberty only because others permit you.

What you are suggesting is that you want all the benefits and entitlements that living in a complex system entails but you don't want to pay your share to help maintain it. That makes you, among other things, a mooching, selfish libertarian scumbag.
 
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