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(San Gabriel Valley Tribune)   "Black men [in LA] should avoid even the most banal confrontations with the police...make sure you cooperate with the police; now is not the right time to wear a hoodie," this is not a repeat from every other moment in the history of LA   (sgvtribune.com) divider line 187
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2013-02-09 08:47:13 AM
5 votes:
Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?
2013-02-09 02:32:45 PM
4 votes:

The Southern Dandy: Popcorn Johnny: The cop hating club has taken over this thread, time for normal people to leave.

Why do so many people hate cops?


Here's why...Because cops have a huge problem within their ranks.  They claim that bad cops are an anomaly, but the reality is that it's more pervasive than they want to admit.  That's not the biggest problem.  Every organization has bad apples.  The big problem with law enforcement is the same issue that's at the core of this story.  When bad cops act bad, every other cop closes ranks and supports the bad cop.  When a good cop tries to correct the bad cop, the good cop is fired.  THAT'S why so many people hate cops.
2013-02-09 11:19:35 AM
4 votes:

dr_blasto: The cops uncorked and shot up the whole neighborhood and they should be put in front of a Grand Jury.


And therein lies the problem, because that rarely, if ever, happens.  The cops literally get away with murder in this country, and yet the majority of the population doesn't seem to mind.
2013-02-09 10:19:55 AM
4 votes:
read his words; the man was pushed over the edge. this was a military man who became a law man and was proud of his country and his service to it. he tried to do the right thing and was kicked in the teeth for having values and morals.

in the first thread FARK had on this news there were many CA Farkers with seething hatred for LAPD due to the things they have seen, heard and read over the years. seems apparent their house is very dirty yet no one in charge higher on the food chain steps up to clean house.

i feel bad for this fellow for being pushed so far and having his head get so twisted that he lashed out at people with bullets. knowing there are web sites dedicated to reporting the massive daily fark-ups done by trained professional law enforcement experts coast to coast on a daily basis, and that these same sites are never lacking for news stories makes me sad that America has the type of law enforcement our rich wealthy assclowns in WashDC have put in place.

the bad guys are bad and it seems like most of the good guys are bad - or at the very least they are highly disturbed individuals deeply in need of counseling and they are the last people who should be given firearms, a utility belt filled with weapons & restraints and carte blanche to use them.

nothing is going to change, it's just going to get worse. our biatching and moaning or interfacing together in an intelligent and respectful manner is just chit chat. next week or next month there will be something even more horrendous. what's a mother to do.
2013-02-09 09:54:35 AM
4 votes:
racist ass LAPD shoots civillians: unfortunate incident that merits investigation.
Guy twisting racist ass LAPD's tail shoots civillians: TOTAL MONSTER, cause entirely discredited, any sympathetic feelings you might have also render you a monster.
2013-02-09 09:15:13 AM
4 votes:
How about instead they tell the LAPD to stop shooting people because they feel like it?

StoPPeRmobile: The Second Ammendment's time has come.


FTFY.

If they're gonna kill citizens because they feel like it, they deserve the same treatment.
2013-02-09 08:51:31 AM
4 votes:
Dorner was trained by America to do what America does best: Kill people.

Now we're gonna kill him - and we should.

Then, if there's an iota of sense left, they'll clean house at the LAPD.
2013-02-09 03:18:15 PM
3 votes:

Popular Opinion: jebus christ.
technicalities aside, the police themselves refer to non-police as civilians.


And that's a huge problem.  It creates an us vs. them dichotomy in their minds in which they're setting themselves up mentally as some kind of superior class of people.
2013-02-09 12:13:18 PM
3 votes:
Those of you that want this guy dead are seriously farked in the head.   Like any other american he deserves a trial.  But then I guess I shouldn't expect much from a population that ignores their president's published policy on using drone strikes against fellow citizens.

It's also quite disturbing that these officers that assaulted the innocent people won't be brought up on criminal charges with  mandatory maximum sentences.  A police officer should be subject to the maximum penalty whenever they break a law considering the leeway they're given in enforcing the laws.
2013-02-09 11:02:36 AM
3 votes:

BronyMedic: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Yeah, that 70 year old lady is so alright, she's in the Intensive Care Unit.  It's just me, but there's a subtle difference between things being alright because you're in intensive care, and things being all fked to hell in back because you're in intensive care.

If she was shot in the hand, because of her age alone they'd put her in the intensive care unit because of the staffing ratios. People like that get lost on a floor where one nurse has to care for ten or so different patients at the same time. It's not necessarily because she's knocking on the death's door.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: One subtlety says 'hey, it's no big deal after all that the cops shot at her because she'll live'; the other is 'why in god's name did they put that lady in the intensive care unit in the first place'?

The question that anyone, even pro-Law Enforcement, should be asking is "Why the fark did you think it was acceptable to open up on a vehicle without even identifying a threat?" The actions of that officer involved are inexcusable, and reek of panic and anger.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Right now, the subtlety is the first one, so that being in the intensive care unit is placed on the same level as same-day care walking out no big deal.  You know what I mean?

Not necessarily. The cops usually don't have medical training. They'll tell the media someone's in "critical but stable condition". WTF?


The older woman was shot twice in the back. The younger woman's hand was injured by the shattered glass from the bullets going through the window, per the LA Times reports.

The people interviewed about the shooting from the neighborhood were describing the fact that their houses and cars were all shot to hell. The cops uncorked and shot up the whole neighborhood and they should be put in front of a Grand Jury. Reckless shootings by cops should be treated the same as reckless shootings by civilians.

The LAPD is an awful organization that has been rotting from within for decades. There's no doubt about that. Whomever the officers were that shot up the other vehicle should get the same GJ treatment as the ones shooting up that neighborhood. The whole organization needs an enema of epic proportions all the way to the top. That doesn't justify assassinating people in uniform, though. I don't think the LAPD is above murdering this guy if he's found alive and unresisting at some point which doesn't make them any better if that's how it goes.

As to this crazy dude, and make no mistake: he's crazy even if he's right about the abuses he wrote about, he's an asshole if he shot the woman and her dude just for being related to someone involved in his case. That's not in question. He did write that their families were fair game and most decidedly on his list, so it isn't unlikely he is the person that shot them. It isn't proven in evidence I'm aware of either, so there's that.

I find this whole thing ghoulishly interesting for some reason. I can't seem to ignore it, so bleh to me.

I expect that we won't hear from this guy for a long time, if ever. Whether that's because he has died in the mountains or otherwise DB Coopered himself remains to be seen.
2013-02-09 10:28:43 AM
3 votes:
Dormer has got to still be alive.

He knows how the cops are going to look for him.  His manifesto mentions he will use surprise tactics.  That likely includes "waiting things out" until his notoriety fades for the time being.   He knows that all it takes for him to get off the headlines is for Lindsay Lohan to flash her crotch again.

This guy felt he was wronged back in 2009.  That means he has had three to four years of planning this stuff out.  I doubt he woke up one morning and decided to carry this out.  He has a plan, and as someone mentioned earlier, time is his friend right now.  I'm guessing that part of his plan is to get the corruption in the LAPD to be front and center in the headlines.  And by him sitting around doing nothing, the attention goes from the murders to investigating his claims in the manifesto.

He probably know exactly what he's doing right about now.
2013-02-09 10:23:32 AM
3 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: pyrotek85: NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....

You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?

/Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. He's farking bugshiat crazy, has killed innocent people, and will continue to do so unless stopped, and will probably force the police to gun him down like the rabid dog he is, which is what you do to rabid animals. You kill them, you kill them until they die from it.  I have 0 problems with this. He's not "innocent" at all, there is no doubt that he committed the crimes they said, and he said, he did.  He's crazy, and it would be better if they just invoked rule #.308 when they find his ass, which he will probably force them to do anyway, or kill himself like the coward he is.  Either way, as long as he's not sucking wind anymore, it's fine with me.


He hasn't been convicted of killing anyone. He's a suspect in the murder of three people. We haven't actually seen evidence (as this usually happens during court proceedings) to establish his guilt. We only have the accusations of a infamously, notoriously corrupt police force. The same police force he has accused of serious crimes. The police have responded by shooting at anything in the general direction that may or may not be Dorner.

There's something very serious going on. Dorner is the primary suspect in a murder investigation and the primary witness in some very serious charges. The LAPD is choosing to kill their primary suspect and primary witness.
2013-02-09 10:20:36 AM
3 votes:

StrangeQ: The police have gotten to the point where they are above criticism.  You never see truly investigative reports on the police or their actions.  In a way, they have succeeded in their goal of making the general population fear them to the point that they no longer raise criticisms due to fear of retaliation.


All the more reason that the United States should take a page from the ACPO and the UK's book on policing and federally mandate departmentally unaffiliated  transparent public review boards for any accusation of officer misconduct or officer-involved shooting.
2013-02-09 10:19:01 AM
3 votes:

BronyMedic: The question that anyone, even pro-Law Enforcement, should be asking is "Why the fark did you think it was acceptable to open up on a vehicle without even identifying a threat?" The actions of that officer involved are inexcusable, and reek of panic and anger.


The police have gotten to the point where they are above criticism.  You never see truly investigative reports on the police or their actions.  In a way, they have succeeded in their goal of making the general population fear them to the point that they no longer raise criticisms due to fear of retaliation.
2013-02-09 10:05:01 AM
3 votes:

pyrotek85: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Looks like they survived fortunately

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57568368/christopher-dorner-manh un t-two-innocent-women-shot-by-lapd-officers-had-no-warning/


Yeah, that 70 year old lady is so alright, she's in the Intensive Care Unit.  It's just me, but there's a subtle difference between things being alright because you're in intensive care, and things being all fked to hell in back because you're in intensive care.
One subtlety says 'hey, it's no big deal after all that the cops shot at her because she'll live'; the other is 'why in god's name did they put that lady in the intensive care unit in the first place'?

Right now, the subtlety is the first one, so that being in the intensive care unit is placed on the same level as same-day care walking out no big deal.  You know what I mean?
2013-02-09 10:02:14 AM
3 votes:

Warlordtrooper: BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.

As opposes to the LAPD who is gunning down innocent civilians in their trucks

I'm actually concerned about the lack of outrage a lot of people seem to have for the fact that the LAPD is GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS in cars.


It's incredibly disturbing. But it's more than a lack of outrage. People are actually siding with the cops - defending the shooting of unarmed, innocent people.
2013-02-09 09:58:27 AM
3 votes:

BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.


As opposes to the LAPD who is gunning down innocent civilians in their trucks

I'm actually concerned about the lack of outrage a lot of people seem to have for the fact that the LAPD is GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS in cars.
2013-02-09 09:32:17 AM
3 votes:

BronyMedic: Bontesla: Yeah. That's such an absurd, nonsensical theory. Really - if that were true - we'd see the LAPD lose their sh*t in an effort of trying to find and silence him before he had a chance to share his evidence. I mean - we'd see the LAPD ventilate two trucks with bullet holes - injuring innocent people.

Pictured: FARKer  Bontesla hard at work on his/her/it's next groundbreaking post.

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In the event you're not being snarky, and actually being serious, you're the same caliber of idiot who thinks James Holmes was a false flag attack, and the aspie in Newtown was planted to let Obama come get our guns. Please, please tell me you're being snarky.

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Never attempt to relate to conspiracy what can be related to incompetence combined with anger.


Stop being ridiculous.

Do you know that as of last week - there were a gang of seven (working out of the sheriff's office) that would kill "gang members" and then tattoo themselves as a victory? They literally created notches on their body to boast how many people they've killed. But have no fear - we're much safer now. They were fired.

I mean - if you killed seven or eight men - you'd face prison. But they were fired - with no announcement that there would be a continued investigation or possible criminal charges. They were merely fired. For murder. This isn't a conspiracy. This was big news. To pretend that law enforcement officers aren't capable of this is to be ignorant of history. To assume that the LAPD is guilty of a crime is to be launching insane and absurd accusations. To assume Dorner is innocent of charges is equally absurd. We have a goddamned justice system to sort this sh*t out.

I'm not saying that Dorner is innocent. I'm saying that the LAPD is trying to execute a witness and main suspect of a murder investigation. This isn't normal behavior.

By automatically jumping to insults means you have nothing meaningful to add as a defense to your claim. If you can't bother to be factual or rational then I have no use for furthering this conversation :)
2013-02-09 07:07:53 PM
2 votes:

Gdalescrboz: I think this is exactly what the founding fathers had in mind when they described a "tyranical government" when they explained the 2nd amendment in the federalist papers


I and others have mentioned it before. The increasingly militarized police and lack of oversight is likely what the founders had in mind when they had reservations about a standing army, as they have a constant presence in society. You don't see soldiers walking around very often, and even more rarely are they armed. Even on base they're not armed unless they're training or MPs. But cops are, and many have select-fire assault patrol rifles too.

I'm not saying now is the time to start shooting, but we should be concerned. Especially when they fight tooth and nail to keep people from recording their actions in public. It's like they really don't want us keeping an eye on them.
2013-02-09 06:46:29 PM
2 votes:
Why are they even after Doner anymore?  He opened fire on a police cruiser...  Police have opened fire on TWO vehicles, for no reason, and they are not doing a damned thing about it; not even giving ANY significant news on it.  One article or report will only mention the two women who were shot (like subby's link..) the next will only mention the man who was shot at, and those articles conflict as to him being shot or uninjured.

If the police can just randomly open fire and laugh it off as an accident... stop wasting taxpayer's money, write off everything Doner did as an accident, too, and call off the farking search!!!

I do not live in that area... but, if I did, I would be 10,000 time more afraid of a police car simply driving up my street than seeing Doner himself walking up the street.

Just waiting for one more stupid shooting stunt by the moron-squad and off goes a riot....  OR people start shooting at police when they slow down near them because they are genuinely in fear for their lives.

A)  Would love to know why the news is refusing to cover the civilian shootings, other than a passing sentence / mention.  Yet, they can go into complete detail on how good a neighbor he was, how well he kept up his truck, what was in the burned up truck, broken axle, etc. etc.....
B)  Cooper said he was mailed evidence stating was Doner said was true about the person in custody being abused; why not cover that instead of saying the same thing, over and over, that we've heard hundreds of times before - most of which has been said since day one?

hate them or not...You look out the window at your children playing in the yard and a disheveled Dorner is walking up your driveway with a pistol in his hand...I dont care what your politics are...Your first reaction is gonna be 911 as you prepare to defend your home and family...

"I" would not call 911 in this instance... the local police were too damned chicken-shiat to show up when I had two idiots at gunpoint that broke into my house... why would I call them when there was a REAL threat to THEM around... and, calling them would only escalate the threat to me.  I've done nothing to the guy and would not expect him to be after me.  Even if the police were to actually show up, it would be 45 minutes... when I have plenty of protection 5 seconds away.
2013-02-09 05:08:14 PM
2 votes:

transplendent: What's the over/under on when the copycat killings begin?


as long as they're killing corrupt cops, who cares?
2013-02-09 03:33:17 PM
2 votes:
ReverendJasen:  These morons don't deserve to have a badge, let alone own firearms. walk around as free men for another day in their life.

Unfortunately, our cop loving, boot licking society will probably give them a medal instead.
2013-02-09 02:15:43 PM
2 votes:

BronyMedic: ZeroPly: Kill people who need killing.

The daughter of a cop who had nothing to do with Dorner or the LAPD, and a basketball coach/lawyer who was loosely connected to him needed killing?


Yes.

Main rule of asymmetric warfare is being asymmetric. This guy knows the SOP - for maximum disruption you don't go after the point man on the SWAT team, you go after the pogues in the HQ and their families.  It's hard being a racist, corrupt, sh*tbag when you're constantly worrying whether your actions are going to get your family killed. I don't see too many of the LAPD up on the TV acting all hero-like now that this guy's on the loose.

Half the people on the Internet are cheering this guy on. I think what's freaking out the LAPD more than this guy possibly being out there with a 50 cal, is that people are laughing at them and saying they had this coming.
2013-02-09 01:59:48 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: The situation that led to the two Asian ladies getting shot was kind of screwed up.  The cops spot a vehicle that matches the initial description of the suspects vehicle.  The truck is heading into the neighborhood of one of the people named as a target in the manifesto.  Truck then turns down the street, kills the headlights and slows down.  Can't blame the cops for thinking they had the right vehicle.

That said, the cops are still morons for opening fire.  They should have taken up defensive positions around the truck and ordered the occupants out.  They need to be fired, or at a minimum, reassigned to a desk job and never allowed to carry a gun again.


They need criminal charges brought against them, anything less is an insult to the worth of the humans that they assaulted in violation of the law.
2013-02-09 01:44:03 PM
2 votes:
Look at the number of holes in that truck; one of their problems is that as soon as one cop fires a shot, they all open up and continue firing until their ammo is gone, regardless of the actual situation. Too bad they aren't smart enough to make decisions for themselves.
2013-02-09 01:06:32 PM
2 votes:
Dorner is the hero we deserve; the darkest knight if you will.
2013-02-09 12:48:23 PM
2 votes:

Captain Steroid: Warlordtrooper: BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.

As opposes to the LAPD who is gunning down innocent civilians in their trucks

I'm actually concerned about the lack of outrage a lot of people seem to have for the fact that the LAPD is GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS in cars.

For you, the day the LAPD shot up a truck full of elderly women was the most important day of your life.

But for them, it was Tuesday.


See you have to take people, by force really.  You grab them by the neck and shove their face right in it and scream in their ear "See this? This is whats happening while you jerk off in your coffee shops and play angry birds, Do you see it now?".  But even if you do that, your wasting your time because unless its happening directly happening to them they quickly forget about it.  Apathy is a wondrous survival mechanism.
2013-02-09 12:39:11 PM
2 votes:
Mind you, the police have a hard choice to make right now. They have to search for specifically a black male whilst at the same time not exclusively stopping black males to find him and minimizing the cost of the operation.

Choice one, stop an equal number of black or white, males or females to see if they are the black male they seek. A course of action that would leave them open to claims that they are wasting police funds

Choice two, only stop black males to see if they are the black male they seek. A course of action that would lead them open to claims of racial profiling and racism in general and claims of harassment.

tough.
2013-02-09 12:27:29 PM
2 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Heard their lawyer on KFI the other day. The 78 year old grandmother was shot twice in the back. She's in "stable" condition in the hospital. Her 45 year old daughter was cut on the hand by a piece of "something" (bullet fragment, car metal, no one is sure) and is in good condition.

Mother and daughter are undoubtedly spending the convalescence time looking at Hawaiian vacation brochures and new home plans. They've basically won the lottery.


I wish this was true but you unfortunately know nothing of modern civil liability when it comes to Los Angeles police forces.  The days of Rodney King level of payouts are long long gone my friend.  If they are lucky they will get a bit more than just their medical bills paid off and the repairs to their car.  They ARE lucky that the incident was well publicized, because now they likely wont be going to prison.  Not kidding.  Charges will likely still be pressed against them in order to intimidate them into not pressing civil liability too hard.

Lottery?  These people are likely very farked.  You people know absolutely nothing about cops at all.  You just know what you see in the movies.  That scares the fark out of me btw.
2013-02-09 12:24:58 PM
2 votes:

Hermione_Granger: Dorner was trained by America to do what America does best: Kill people.

Now we're gonna kill him - and we should.

Then, if there's an iota of sense left, they'll clean house at the LAPD.


you can't clean up the LAPD. It's like world peace. Everyone wants it but it can never be achieved. For one genuinely 'good decent' citizens will not be applying there in the first place so that alone would make it a futile endevour.
2013-02-09 12:22:04 PM
2 votes:

kombat_unit: Fark, where a murderous psycho gets white knighted by the usual trash.


Are you referring to the LAPD officer that shot at two women?
2013-02-09 12:20:25 PM
2 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: AcesFull: When he murdered that mans' daughter,he declared he was playing no limit...all in.  It will be a fiery finish comparable to the SLA shootout...He will have to be shot to pieces and literally on fire before he kills himself..

IF he murdered the daughter. A casual reading of the manifesto says he did. A close reading is a bit more nuanced.


Which version of the Manifesto?  Theres the one he wrote, the one reddit users edited for fark knows what reason and the version the media has edited to make him seem even more crazy.


Personally I hope Dorner has his hands on a high yield thermonuclear device.  It's the only way to clean the corruption out of L.A.
2013-02-09 12:19:05 PM
2 votes:

ReverendJasen: pyrotek85: I'm sorry you feel that way, but it irritates me when people wish for justice to go wrong. I'm not the least bit happy about what he did (and I have little doubt that he did it), but I don't think it's healthy to think this way. I know it's just a few people letting their emotions talk on the internet, but what happens when that becomes reality? It sounds like the LAPD is already there, with their reckless behavior yesterday. They need to cool down or more innocents are going to get hurt.

I hope they catch him just so the goddamn cops stop shooting people.
I'd also wager some money that he dies before trial, even if he turns himself in peacefully.  They want him dead, badly.


The smartest thing he could do, is when he's done making a fool of the LAPD, is to get to San Diego and turn himself into Naval MP's and beg for federal protection in a federal prison.  Any podunk sherrif will be overrun by the LAPD looking for revenge, the feds though, they won't let the LAPD push them around, especially the military.
2013-02-09 12:12:21 PM
2 votes:

Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.


Heard their lawyer on KFI the other day. The 78 year old grandmother was shot twice in the back. She's in "stable" condition in the hospital. Her 45 year old daughter was cut on the hand by a piece of "something" (bullet fragment, car metal, no one is sure) and is in good condition.

Mother and daughter are undoubtedly spending the convalescence time looking at Hawaiian vacation brochures and new home plans. They've basically won the lottery.
2013-02-09 12:03:03 PM
2 votes:

Bontesla: LavenderWolf: pyrotek85: LavenderWolf: pyrotek85: NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....

You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?

There's always some coontbag who makes this conclusion when someone says "I hope that bastard gets his."

No, you retard, he's not advocating for such a cutthroat system of instant death. He's hoping the guy in question attacks the authorities and gets his comeuppance at the end of a bullet's flight path.

Well it certainly sounds like it, I hope he gets caught not killed outright. Regardless of what he did they should be trying to apprehend him so he can face justice, not kill him on sight. But he might just get his wish with the way they were all too eager to open up on those civilians yesterday.

It's just really, really irritating when someone says that in reply to what is clearly an emotional cry for justice to go wrong.

I mean, when I say "I hope the cops shoot his ass." that does not mean I wish for the laws to be changed to allow the police to just execute whomever they like. Just means I wish the cops get an excuse/reason to do it.

Which doesn't make it better.

We have a criminal justice system to distribute justice. We either trust in it or we don't. If we don't then we need to reform the system.

None of these options include hoping that the police can justifiably kill someone they're in pursuit of. This is especially the case since we have yet to see any facts presented that actually condemn the suspect.


Given the way the cops reacted to the newspaper women, it is obvious they intend to execute the guy.

Judging by comments here and elsewhere, there will be no need for them to justify their use of force. LAPD will continue to be corrupt and nothing will change.

Unfortunate and sad.
2013-02-09 10:37:16 AM
2 votes:

BronyMedic: If she was shot in the hand, because of her age alone they'd put her in the intensive care unit because of the staffing ratios. People like that get lost on a floor where one nurse has to care for ten or so different patients at the same time. It's not necessarily because she's knocking on the death's door.


"Carranza suffered minor injuries to her hand from shattering glass.

Hernandez, who was shot in the back, is in ICU at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center."

Shot in the BACK, and in ICU.

I mean, if you aren't even familiar with the basic facts of the case, why are you arguing at all?
2013-02-09 10:23:30 AM
2 votes:

Bontesla: iron_city_ap: neversummer: I think this dude is prepared to hide for months. There's very little benefit in continuing these attacks in the short term. He's done enough to trigger the LAPD into a tailspin. Time is his friend now.

Exactly. He'll lay low till they calm down, then he'll strike again. Followed by disappearing while they freak out. Rinse. Repeat.

I don't think so. This guy is convinced there's a conspiracy within the LAPD. He's either delusional, dishonest, or is trying to expose corruption at some fairly high levels.

My money is on either delusion or exposure. I'd speculate that he's going to try to contact the media. He's already reached out to Anderson Cooper. I would be surprised if other "news" anchors haven't received something they're trying to independently verify. He's written a really lengthy, rambling manifesto trying to communicate events that he's convinced happened. I think he wants to get the story out. That comes across as his main objective.

I think we're going to see more "evidence" surface. The evidence will either highlight psychosis or corruption.

That's how I forecast it.


He's not delusional - about the LAPD.  He's had a psychotic break, but he's not delusional about the culture within the LAPD.  He's given names, dates, details.  He's attempted to keep a paper trail.  This is exposure.

Now, he's delusional that killing anyone is going to resolve anything.  But at least he's also not naive enough to assume that completely playing by the rules is the only way to get things done.  It is not.  He gave information to the media which sat unread and untouched until somebody got killed?  Perfect example that playing by the rules completely is not the only way to get shiat done.  (Is there a Freakonomics chapter on that?)
2013-02-09 10:22:25 AM
2 votes:
Many years ago I was in the CA National Guard and was called up for the Rodney King roots.  We were stationed in Rampart and it was a mess- burnt buildings, crazy armed shopkeepers, tons of gangs driving around,  scared inhabitants, etc.

They were mostly scared of the reprisals from the LAPD though.  More than once I had locals come up to give us cookies or something and thank us for protecting them.  naive white guy I was at the time I thought it was a little odd, until the Rampart police scandals came to light shortly afterwards.

Dorner's a murdering scumbag, but I'm not sure his comments are wrong.
2013-02-09 10:20:54 AM
2 votes:

BronyMedic: The question that anyone, even pro-Law Enforcement, should be asking is "Why the fark did you think it was acceptable to open up on a vehicle without even identifying a threat?" The actions of that officer involved are inexcusable, and reek of panic and anger.


Two months from now: A police investigatory panel have investigated and determined that there was no fault by the officer. He's been commended and received a "good for you" bonus and medal.
2013-02-09 10:07:33 AM
2 votes:

Warlordtrooper: BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.

As opposes to the LAPD who is gunning down innocent civilians in their trucks

I'm actually concerned about the lack of outrage a lot of people seem to have for the fact that the LAPD is GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS in cars.


I think that's due to a scary cultural shift in our country.  Politicians and police are no longer seen as fellow citizens serving a post, they're viewed as ABOVE the rest of us.  You see it expressed in things like the AWB that exempts current AND retired police along with representatives.  It's supposed to be a government of , by, and for the people.  Instead we've drifted to a government of the people, by the elite, for the rich and my fellow lefties only seem to have a problem with the "for the rich" part because they generally tend to be conservative.  This country is in sorry shape and, to steal a line, "Certainly there are those more responsible than others, but if you want to look for the truly guilty... all you have to do is look in a mirror".
2013-02-09 09:56:26 AM
2 votes:

Hermione_Granger: Dorner was trained by America to do what America does best: Kill people who need killing.

Now we're gonna kill him - and we should.

Then, if there's an iota of sense left, they'll clean house at the LAPD.


Small change, but I think it adds so very much to the narrative...

Now I'm off to watch First Blood - it's not on Netflix Instant so I have a DVD for occasions such as this...
2013-02-09 09:34:26 AM
2 votes:
I think this dude is prepared to hide for months. There's very little benefit in continuing these attacks in the short term. He's done enough to trigger the LAPD into a tailspin. Time is his friend now.
2013-02-09 09:30:09 AM
2 votes:
Y'see

While I sympathize with Dorner, I do not condone any act of terrorism. Period.

In the end, though, Dorner's whole story will end up as a pretty good metaphor for the United States.
2013-02-09 09:25:00 AM
2 votes:
In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.

Looks like he is sending them on a wild goose chase until he pops up again or to throw them off while flees the state entirely. My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide
2013-02-09 09:15:39 AM
2 votes:

colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.


So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.
2013-02-09 09:11:59 AM
2 votes:

NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....


You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?
2013-02-09 09:08:24 AM
2 votes:

RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.


So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.
2013-02-09 09:04:29 AM
2 votes:
The Fourth Ammendment's time has come. The original framers of The Constitution had no idea that technology and society would progress to such a point of complexity and innovation. It is in society's interest to look within and root out all that may do harm to this great nation. No one needs to be secure, the authorities will provide for your protection. The only expense is a child not saved.
2013-02-09 09:03:00 AM
2 votes:

jakomo002: dinch: I read his manifesto. He had some pretty salient points. Then he started talking about Tebow.

Same here. Some of the shockingly racist things that happen in the LAPD really surprised me. I thought they had cleaned that up, or at least tried.

I wasn't aware, for example, that one of the officers in the Rodney King tape (one swinging the baton) got a PROMOTION eventually, and now commands 200 LA police officers.

Or that if an LAPD officer calls a fellow officer a n*gger, he essentially gets a slap on the wrist.

But some of the other stuff seems, um, less than lucid.

Seems to me that Dorner is a Frankenstein monster that the US military trained, and the LAPD further corrupted, and now he's clearly lost his mind. Terrible blowback, but at least he's not out there massacring dozens of civilians.

I'm not saying that a civilians life is worth more than an LAPD cop, but the LAPD made this guy what he is, or at least seriously contributed to it.


He did kill civilians.
2013-02-09 09:00:19 AM
2 votes:
dinch: I read his manifesto. He had some pretty salient points. Then he started talking about Tebow.

Same here. Some of the shockingly racist things that happen in the LAPD really surprised me. I thought they had cleaned that up, or at least tried.

I wasn't aware, for example, that one of the officers in the Rodney King tape (one swinging the baton) got a PROMOTION eventually, and now commands 200 LA police officers.

Or that if an LAPD officer calls a fellow officer a n*gger, he essentially gets a slap on the wrist.

But some of the other stuff seems, um, less than lucid.

Seems to me that Dorner is a Frankenstein monster that the US military trained, and the LAPD further corrupted, and now he's clearly lost his mind. Terrible blowback, but at least he's not out there massacring dozens of civilians.

I'm not saying that a civilians life is worth more than an LAPD cop, but the LAPD made this guy what he is, or at least seriously contributed to it.
2013-02-09 08:54:12 AM
2 votes:
"Black men [in LA] should avoid even the most banal confrontations with the police...make sure you cooperate with the police; now is not the right time to wear a hoodie."

Sounds an awful lot like "She was asking for it, just look how short that skirt is."
2013-02-09 08:50:02 AM
2 votes:
I read his manifesto. He had some pretty salient points. Then he started talking about Tebow.
2013-02-09 07:42:29 AM
2 votes:
I sincerely hope that Dorner is out of California by now. They're trying to execute him.
2013-02-09 07:38:13 AM
2 votes:

St_Francis_P: syrynxx: That guy's parting message makes it sound like LAPD are an Aryan Brotherhood front.

That's nonsense. The Aryan Brotherhood don't get paid nearly as well.


Nor is their behavior sanctioned as much.
2013-02-09 06:55:13 AM
2 votes:
That guy's parting message makes it sound like LAPD are an Aryan Brotherhood front.  Want to beat up black people and get away with it?  Join the LAPD.
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2013-02-10 10:09:53 AM
1 votes:

Lsherm: ExperianScaresCthulhu: No, it's probably because many of the newspapers don't report it.  I'd have never known that the fiance was a cop, myself, until I saw a photo of him.  Then certain things clicked. How often is it mentioned that she was a cop, versus that she was a basketball coach?

You're farking retarded.   The fiance was a college security cop and she was a basketball coach.  You're probably a troofer, too, given your lack of ability to farking research farking anything.

Popular Opinion: seriously dude, i was rolling, thanks!

He actually called Quan's father to mock him after she was murdered.  He's guilty.

pyrotek85: Hey if he wants to suspend due process that's fine, he should just come out and say it.

I don't want to suspend it, I want to revise it.  If I think you need killin' - then you get a killin'.


A man CLAIMING to be Dorner called Randall Quan and told him that that he "should have done a better job of protecting his daughter," according to the documents.


Because it's impossible to lie about who you are right?
2013-02-10 12:16:30 AM
1 votes:

khyberkitsune: BronyMedic: The daughter of a cop who had nothing to do with Dorner or the LAPD

So ignorant. In fact, THE MEMORIAL SERVICE HAD GIRL AND FIANCE LAID TO REST WITH *THEIR BADGES*

We were there protesting the cops.

You apparently don't know shiat and believe everything you see in the media.


"I'm a pain in your ass, I know, otherwise you'd not be here reading my page. "

Actually, no you're not. Just went there to have something to remember you by when you stop posting, because you've pissed off the wrong people have have been "disappeared."

This is not a time to be obvious.
2013-02-09 11:49:30 PM
1 votes:

Popular Opinion: pyrotek85: Popular Opinion: Lsherm: Popular Opinion: we know who opened fire on innocent people delivering papers. no doubt, should we open fire on them? no trial? just execute them for being stupid?

I thought long and hard about it, and I'm OK with that, too.  Cops shouldn't go straight for their guns no matter how on edge they are.  Those two could be removed from the gene pool and we'd all be better off for it.

Popular Opinion: allegedly.

Uh huh.  He's guilty.

roflmfao

seriously dude, i was rolling, thanks!

Hey if he wants to suspend due process that's fine, he should just come out and say it. Just as long as he's not surprised when they start doing it to other people who are definitely guilty, like anyone declared a terrorist or enemy combatant.

exactly the same mentality that can justify blowing up people making sandy bread on a camel dung fire,crouching in a mud hut, thousands of miles away, trying to mind their own modest lives.


That's why the law has to be applied evenly or eventually it won't be applied at all. Selective enforcement of the law is a sign of tyranny, plain and simple. Meanwhile we have the government discussing the use of drones on citizens and whether they're allowed to murder people (the fact that they're even asking the question should raise red flags). But hey, let's encourage them so more why don't we.

I don't care what Dorner is accused of doing, he should stand trial if at all possible.
2013-02-09 11:24:19 PM
1 votes:

Popular Opinion: Lsherm: Popular Opinion: we know who opened fire on innocent people delivering papers. no doubt, should we open fire on them? no trial? just execute them for being stupid?

I thought long and hard about it, and I'm OK with that, too.  Cops shouldn't go straight for their guns no matter how on edge they are.  Those two could be removed from the gene pool and we'd all be better off for it.

Popular Opinion: allegedly.

Uh huh.  He's guilty.

roflmfao

seriously dude, i was rolling, thanks!


Hey if he wants to suspend due process that's fine, he should just come out and say it. Just as long as he's not surprised when they start doing it to other people who are definitely guilty, like anyone declared a terrorist or enemy combatant.
2013-02-09 11:20:35 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Lsherm: pyrotek85: NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....

You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?

I'd be OK with it.

Why?

He shot and killed a husband and wife because the woman was the daughter of a police chief.  That's reason enough.  Why waste money keeping him in prison?



We don't know that.  Who said he killed them? LAPD? Why should they be believed when nothing they've said so far has been the truth?    It's the same deal with his targeting of the random cops (allegedly, which somehow was stricken from the LAPD's lexicon when it comes to Dorner) of the cops.  Were those cops on his hit list?

Example:  LAPD, through the media, initially claimed Dorner was dishonorably discharged.
Word Now: It was an *honorable* discharge.  What?

Then there's the Corona shootings, which you'll have to read several different versions to get the full story on.  Word now is that Dorner changed plates.  Right.  Instead of getting an entirely different car/truck, he steals someone's plate and puts the plate on a vehicle which exactly matches the description of his own car.   Whatever.

There is no discussion that maybe the people they were following that night were one of the many real crooks in LA who thought that the cops were following them, the kind of story which usually leads to a Floridians are Dumbasses greenlight over here.  Anything to stick to the story that Dorner would be so stupid as to only change his plates and THEN shoot at the cops instead of playing it cool when they lose interest in him; and then after shooting randomly at them, use the same car (with bullet holes, are we to assume?) to ambush two additional random cops in Riverside who were just minding their business at a stop light.  Whatever.

Did the cops who got shot at Riverside mention bullet holes, shattered glass, whatever, on the truck that shot at them? If not, then how can they be so sure that it was Dorner?  Or the same truck that shot at the Corona cops?  Or the newspaper ladies'? Or Torrance man's?

Were any of these cops' dashcams working that night?

All that to say, dude: there is no proof he killed the people they're claimng he killed.  And even if he did, the law says everyone has to have their day... even if LAPD gets nauseous at the thought.
2013-02-09 11:15:02 PM
1 votes:
CNN is reporting that they are opening up all the old cases referenced in the Manifesto.  So I guess he accomplished that.
2013-02-09 10:57:00 PM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Girion47: khyberkitsune: BronyMedic: The daughter of a cop who had nothing to do with Dorner or the LAPD

So ignorant. In fact, THE MEMORIAL SERVICE HAD GIRL AND FIANCE LAID TO REST WITH *THEIR BADGES*

We were there protesting the cops.

You apparently don't know shiat and believe everything you see in the media.

That's because BronyMedic is the most sanctimonious asshole to grace fark in quite a while.  He even goes so far in threads to taunt those that got timed-out for calling him on his shiat.

No, it's probably because many of the newspapers don't report it.  I'd have never known that the fiance was a cop, myself, until I saw a photo of him.  Then certain things clicked. How often is it mentioned that she was a cop, versus that she was a basketball coach?

Nice frame up, right?  Wonder why many newspapers didn't feel the need to mention  that both of them are cops, but felt the need to underscore many many times that she's a basketball coach?  Isn't the public supposed to feel bad for the cops, on their side, you know, empathize with them?

Anyway, Dorner, for all the talk in the manifesto about targeting familes, there are certain passages that make me wonder, like his comment about telling the one cop that he hopes he becomes a better cop than his old man (it's in the passage about cops who have been there forever, before the widespread use of polygraphs to weed out applicants); and then the next couple sentences where he tells children that their parents are not who they (the children) think they (the parents) are.  The other passage about how their spouses will remarry and their children will move on, that makes me wonder, too.

IF he killed them, and it wasn't a set up (tin foil away, it's what LAPD does and what they've got caugt for), there would be more to the story than just killing those two to get back at the Quan being a company milquetoast with no balls.

Still a big IF, since the insistence he killed them comes from the LAPD, which has proven un ...


I almost wonder if they were killed in something completely unrelated but enough people knew of his discontent that he disappeared because he knew he'd be the prime suspect.
2013-02-09 10:40:23 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: Popular Opinion: we know who opened fire on innocent people delivering papers. no doubt, should we open fire on them? no trial? just execute them for being stupid?

I thought long and hard about it, and I'm OK with that, too.  Cops shouldn't go straight for their guns no matter how on edge they are.  Those two could be removed from the gene pool and we'd all be better off for it.

Popular Opinion: allegedly.

Uh huh.  He's guilty.


He is being called guilty by those that are interested in seeing him discredited, get me some evidence from someone without a conflict of interest and I'll start believing that, but unless you have a law degree and have been appointed or elected judge of the jurisdiction in which he has been tried...you can't really claim that.
2013-02-09 10:27:18 PM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: But I get the impression he's not a Rambo-level badass who can out-think, out-gun, and outrun every cop in Cali.  Mediocre, at best.  He won't last long.


He doesn't have to be that good.  He just has to pick his times and circumstances.  Doesn't take a whole lot of out-think, out-gun, or out-run.  He understands that, too, because he declared "unconventional and asymmetric warfare" against the LAPD.  He knows that if he gets in a confrontation, he's toast.  That might be his ultimate end-game, but I'm guessing that unless he's already eaten a bullet, he's going to just wait it out.

If he were smart, he'd have been building up cash resources for a while.  Cash isn't traceable, while a credit or debit card is.  A VISA gift card might be a way around that for times when you want to use plastic, but cash is always accepted, and it can't be traced.

He'd also have a cache or caches set up, if this wasn't just a spur of the moment thing (and it doesn't sound like it was because he had time to write his manifesto). Places to stash guns, ammo, food, clothing changes, maybe even some stuff to change his appearance if at all possible (wig, maybe?  Fake dreads and a Jamaican knit cap would make him pretty much unrecognizable).  Survival gear, perhaps, though to be honest, he doesn't seem like the "can survive for months or years in the woods" type.

If he was really, *REALLY* smart, he's half-way to the East Coast by now.  Stash an alternate vehicle, burn the old one and take off on the alternate, police waste resources searching the immediate area of the burnt out car.   Do your thing, then un-ass the AO until things settle down.
2013-02-09 10:23:25 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Lsherm: pyrotek85: NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....

You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?

I'd be OK with it.

Why?

He shot and killed a husband and wife because the woman was the daughter of a police chief.  That's reason enough.  Why waste money keeping him in prison?


allegedly.
we know who opened fire on innocent people delivering papers. no doubt, should we open fire on them? no trial? just execute them for being stupid?
2013-02-09 10:00:23 PM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Lsherm: pyrotek85: NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....

You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?

I'd be OK with it.

Why?


He shot and killed a husband and wife because the woman was the daughter of a police chief.  That's reason enough.  Why waste money keeping him in prison?
2013-02-09 09:58:24 PM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Here's a rather biased bio of Dorner.  It makes him look like a loser; note that it's from the Orange County Register.

But I get the impression he's not a Rambo-level badass who can out-think, out-gun, and outrun every cop in Cali.  Mediocre, at best.  He won't last long.


The OCR bio of Dorner states the following:

High school administrators disciplined Dorner after he beat a teacher who tried to break up a fight, a classmate said. She asked not to be identified while he was still at large. Dorner mentions the incident in his now widely known and threat-filled "manifesto" and names a school administrator.

I didn't see any mention of that incident of beating a teacher in his manifesto.
2013-02-09 09:48:42 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: The daughter of a cop who had nothing to do with Dorner or the LAPD


So ignorant. In fact, THE MEMORIAL SERVICE HAD GIRL AND FIANCE LAID TO REST WITH *THEIR BADGES*

We were there protesting the cops.

You apparently don't know shiat and believe everything you see in the media.
2013-02-09 09:03:14 PM
1 votes:
the po po isn't going to comment on anything like that. there is nothing factual (as far as i have been able to determine) that is particularly favorable to them. don't expect them to admit guilt or culpability for any of this, particularly since they have already started shooting innocent people to shut Dorner up and prevent further disclosure of the truth.
2013-02-09 09:01:12 PM
1 votes:

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: Here is one website article collaborating that:


Things like that about this case I find disturbing.  Not saying I know anything about the case, but in the right situation as such, a man could go legitimately crazy.

Not a white knight or rationalizing what he's doing, but maybe some investigation that goes both ways is warranted.  If he's taken alive some mitigation of the cause of him flipping out may be in order.  Seeing as he's a dangerous ex-cop and ex-soldier, that probably won't happen(taken alive or the context of his insanity), but still.

But, like I said, I know next to nothing, haven't seen a flurry of oddball side stories and evidence in a while, and I'm simply too lazy to sort through it all.
2013-02-09 08:42:58 PM
1 votes:
I would think the LAPD would also be spending some time at the moment scrutinizing Dorner's manifesto in order to discredited it.  But so far it seems like nothing has been discredited, and things that he did speak about that could be verified, have been.

For example, Dorner wrote:

You allow an officer, Thaniya Sungruenyos, to attempt to hack into my credit union account and still remain on the job even when Det. Zolezzi shows the evidence that the IP address (provided by LAPFCU) that attempted to hack into my account and change my username and password leads directly to her residence. You even allow this visibly disgusting looking officer to stay on the job when she perjures (lies) in court (Clark County Family Court) to the judge's face and denies hacking into my personal credit union online account when I attempted to get my restraint order extended. Det. Zolezzi provided the evidence and you still do nothing.

Here is one website article collaborating that:

Dorner also filed a restraining order against an ex-girlfriend who worked for the LAPD Crime Lab while he lived in Las Vegas.The order said that she threatened to kill herself after Dorner told her that he didn't want to speak to her anymore. He called police on her after she continued to bang on his door and rang his doorbell. Police warned her to leave. He said that a few days later the Los Angeles Police Federal Credit Union reported that someone had tried to change the password to his account. Evidence showed the request came from his ex-girlfriend's home address. This restraining order was granted, but Dorner wrote in his "manifesto" that he was angry that she continued to stay on in the force despite her hacking attempt.
2013-02-09 08:22:25 PM
1 votes:

Rivetman1.0: This just a few minutes ago on ABC news


A man identifying himself as Christopher Dorner taunted the father of Monica Quan four days after the former LAPD officer allegedly killed her and just 11 hours after he allegedly killed a police officer in Riverside, Calif., according to court documents obtained by ABC News

A man claiming to be Dorner called Randall Quan and told him that that he "should have done a better job of protecting his daughter," according to the documents.


1 month of TF says it ended up coming from a prank caller, not Dorner.
2013-02-09 08:10:01 PM
1 votes:
for the record, it is probably wrong to take any satisfaction from the LAPD's collective ass being puckered as it is, not to mention other LEAs in the area, but it is hard to feel sorry for them, or to defend their behavior to date.
heck, these days, anyone posting negative opinions are probably at risk as well.
2013-02-09 07:55:34 PM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: orclover: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: AcesFull: When he murdered that mans' daughter,he declared he was playing no limit...all in.  It will be a fiery finish comparable to the SLA shootout...He will have to be shot to pieces and literally on fire before he kills himself..

IF he murdered the daughter. A casual reading of the manifesto says he did. A close reading is a bit more nuanced.

Which version of the Manifesto?  Theres the one he wrote, the one reddit users edited for fark knows what reason and the version the media has edited to make him seem even more crazy.


Personally I hope Dorner has his hands on a high yield thermonuclear device.  It's the only way to clean the corruption out of L.A.

I was surprised the media originally edited his manifest (not the redacting part) the way they did without noting that fact.  i kept hearing about different "shout outs" being in it and i was like "what??? where???" then I found the complete manifesto and then the references made more sense.

HipHopandPolitics website has some interesting food for thought on the media's handling of the manifesto, bringing in California's Police Man's Bill of Rights, and Chief Bratton's possible lie about not remembering him (and therefore the possible deeper significance of the coin Dorner sent to Anderson Cooper with the message 'Thanks but no Thanks').

HHandP doesn't buy that the redacted version is to protect the lives of the cops.  HHandP believes that the redacted version is to continue to protect the cops from any type of public questioning and culpability.  The public can not demand accounting for that which it is unaware of.

I think they have a point.  If everything in his manifesto turns out to be true, regarding the names on his list... because the public is allowed to know... what does that say not only about the LAPD's characterization of the charges in his manifesto as delusional and/or false, but also of the media's parroting o ...


The link you provided was a very interesting read - thanks!

I thought this was a very salient point in the linked article:

What Dorner wrote can't be that much of a ramble, because beck and law enforcement all over the state read that manifesto and saw it credible enough to send more than 40 security squads to protect the officers and the families mentioned in the document. If we can find the threats credible, then perhaps some of those allegations of corruption and wrong doing are just as credible.
2013-02-09 07:49:21 PM
1 votes:
He reminds me of the protagonist of the LE Modisitt Jr "Ecolitan Secession" scifi series.
2013-02-09 07:19:32 PM
1 votes:

orclover: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: AcesFull: When he murdered that mans' daughter,he declared he was playing no limit...all in.  It will be a fiery finish comparable to the SLA shootout...He will have to be shot to pieces and literally on fire before he kills himself..

IF he murdered the daughter. A casual reading of the manifesto says he did. A close reading is a bit more nuanced.

Which version of the Manifesto?  Theres the one he wrote, the one reddit users edited for fark knows what reason and the version the media has edited to make him seem even more crazy.


Personally I hope Dorner has his hands on a high yield thermonuclear device.  It's the only way to clean the corruption out of L.A.


I was surprised the media originally edited his manifest (not the redacting part) the way they did without noting that fact.  i kept hearing about different "shout outs" being in it and i was like "what??? where???" then I found the complete manifesto and then the references made more sense.
2013-02-09 07:10:55 PM
1 votes:
Serpico.

If Serpico had went over to the dark side.
2013-02-09 06:35:07 PM
1 votes:

AcesFull: I'm sorry..you misunderstood me..What if he needs a car?? Food?? A place to sit down??


I'd offer him one. Then, after he left, I'd sit down and watch youtube videos of cops abusing their authority. When I finish watching all of them, then I'd consider calling 911 and reporting what happened.
2013-02-09 06:12:32 PM
1 votes:

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: Not because they're on his hit list, but because of knowing they were one of the sparks that lit his fuse.


These are the same cops that gunned down two woman delivering papers?  I doubt they would feel any remorse.
2013-02-09 05:58:21 PM
1 votes:

Bontesla: Apparently Charlie Sheen wants Dorner to contact him.

You know you've reached a low point in your life when Charlie Sheen is offering to help you.


He's a warlock.
I'd take help from a warlock if offered.
2013-02-09 05:44:42 PM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Mother and daughter are undoubtedly spending the convalescence time looking at Hawaiian vacation brochures and new home plans. They've basically won the lottery.


That's not how LAPD works.  Qualified immunity will protect from any lawsuit, and they'll lay down some garbage criminal charges on the women.
2013-02-09 05:23:50 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Bontesla: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Bontesla:

If I were the LAPD - I would run a fake "evidence DVD" on any network that would let me. It would be something ridiculous and would result in discrediting Dorner. Maybe something about alien invasions to replace the president. If Dorner is listening - he might try to refutre/deny that the dvd was his. It would be a perfect opportunity to set a trap. "Smoke him out" as it were.

I agree.  What you've just laid out is Dorner's kryptonite.
It would be a damn shame, too, because all it would do
is get Dorner killed and let the LAPD get away with murder,
attempted murder, property damage, intimidation and defamation -- again.

Agreed.

The LAPD should be no where near this investigation. It's like allowing members of a gang to find their snitch.

Completely agree with you. And I also agree the LAPD will never clean itsself up. It's going to take federal legislation and involvement to do it.

Amazing how the LAPD can be brought up to disprove State's rights arguments, isn't it?


Good points. It takes a higher level of government to straighten out a lower one. Unless, of course, you have bloody revolution instead. Question is: who straightens up the corrupt federal government? The UN? They don't have the authority, and are also corrupt themselves. Depressing. That sort of leaves only one option.....
2013-02-09 05:15:35 PM
1 votes:

dr_blasto: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: He's had 3-4 years to get ready for this. Safe house(s)? Check. Lots of weapons, including military ordnance? Check. Really good fake IDs? Check. List of supporters/enablers in the Black (and possibly other) community? Check.

I wouldn't expect that he's been planning this for four years. Something more recent likely triggered it; whether discharge from the Naval Reserves, maybe final appeals ruling against him or something similar. It is likely he's only been working on this for a couple months.

Eventually, he's out of cash and being on the lam would necessitate cash transactions. Having been a cop, though, means he knows where the drug dealers are and how to identify them. He could start knocking them over for more cash, knowing they're not likely to call the cops.


Or, more likely, this could go political. There are still deep sleeper cells of Weather Underground and Panthers out there. If one or more of these people link up with him this could turn into (as the Chinese sage said, very interesting times.

The other question that does not seem to be being addressed is: what if he is getting help from certain LAPD officers? He surely can't be the only LAPD cop pissed off at the corruption.

Things to think about....
2013-02-09 04:35:14 PM
1 votes:
CSB:  two of my friends went to high school with Dorner.  They remember him as a really nice guy.  One of them confirmed his story about being set up and lied to by the high school principal as true.  Now, both the principal, and the kid (now an adult) that actually did the locker break-in are under police protection.
2013-02-09 03:51:56 PM
1 votes:
I'm guessing the entirety of his claims will be fact checked long before he gets gunned down by the LAPD.

How shaken will some of you be if we find out his claims are factual?

Will ANYTHING sway the cop worshippers from their constant and neverending submission to authoritah.
2013-02-09 03:33:15 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: omeganuepsilon: BronyMedic: it would immediately become

Citation needed.

You're right.


Always am.
2013-02-09 03:23:18 PM
1 votes:
Police vs. Civilians
28 March, 2009 5:17 pm

The issue recently came up of police officers using "civilian" in reference to non-police. I'm among those who find the way they use it slightly offensive, because I believe it reinforces an "us vs. them" attitude that is antithetical to the proper performance of their jobs. It doesn't help that the term is so often uttered with a sneer or an eye-roll to show exactly how the speaker feels about those who "aren't good enough" to wear the uniform. I think police calling others "civilians" is rude, but is it incorrect at an abstract use-of-words level? Put another way, are police themselves civilians? It turns out that the answer to that is unclear. There seem to be three kinds of definitions:

- Almost half of the definitions exclude only active military, which would mean that police are civilians.
- Almost half of definitions exclude not only military but also police and sometimes firefighters as well, which would mean  police are not civilians.
- The small remainder of definitions define "civilian" as an expert in civil (as opposed to criminal) law. This is the most etymologically sound interpretation, but probably the least relevant either to police usage or to my objections. If one were to accept this definition, though, it would certainly shed an interesting light on police who consider themselves not to be civilians.

I guess this is the old prescriptivist vs. descriptivist debate. Should a dictionary tell us what words mean, or reflect how we use those words? In this particular case, because of where I think a police/civilian distinction leads us (call this the consequentialist position), I think dictionaries should not cave to common usage and the first definition above should remain the primary one. The militarization of police is a real problem. Police are supposed to be of the people, not an army at war against the people. I understand how, when police see what they see every day of how people can be, they can feel that their contempt is justified. Such feelings are an occupational hazard, just like doctors who start to see people as bags of malfunctioning bits, but they're the sort of feelings that anyone truly committed to their profession would learn to resist. Any police officer who calls someone "civilian" shouldn't take offense when "bully" comes back. That's in the dictionary too.


http://pl.atyp.us/wordpress/index.php/2009/03/police-vs-civilians/
2013-02-09 03:16:15 PM
1 votes:
Girion47: Fun Fact:  Cops are civilians.

Thank you.
The fact that a good portion of the population including the cops themselves considers them to be a branch of the military really bothers me.
2013-02-09 03:03:27 PM
1 votes:

Rivetman1.0: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Reckless driving, driving with headlamps out, not immediately stopping for an officer, etc etc etc
Dream on. Also, when exactly were they asked to stop?
Answer: They were not asked to stop unless you count 7 LAPD Detectives unloading there weapons on your vehicle from behind as such.


That's what YOU say.  Were you there?  Those 7 brave detectives were, and I'd guess they'll all be willing to stand up in the same court in front of the same judge they've stood in front of so many many times before, and swear to exactly what did happen.  And they'll all swear to the exact same sequence of events, and it will be clear to anyone who listens that they had legitimate fear for their lives when those women continued driving toward them, and forced them to leap to the side and fire their weapons in order to protect innocent civilians.
2013-02-09 03:01:32 PM
1 votes:

AcesFull: Popular Opinion: Popcorn Johnny: The cop hating club has taken over this thread, time for normal people to leave.

i don't think people hate the police, they hate what they have become.
they serve and protect mostly themselves, at the peril of anyone else, apparently.
their refusal to police themselves is exactly what this is all about.


hate them or not...You look out the window at your children playing in the yard and a disheveled Dorner is walking up your driveway with a pistol in his hand...I dont care what your politics are...Your first reaction is gonna be 911 as you prepare to defend your home and family...


Unless you were on the force or had a link to the force, I don't think there is much cause to panic. I would be more scared of the police mistaking my identity and shooting me. Dorner just has to cause massive disruptions and let chaos do the work for him. So far, he is doing a pretty good job. All that is left to do is become a hero figure, particularly amongst the cop hating crowd (which you can see is a pretty large percentage) and push that percentage that will take action, bam he has his own personal little army. With that kind of disruption, it will make everyone's job a WHOLE lot more difficult as they are not just looking for 1 man and trying to defend key people, but they have to fear the ensuing chaos. What happens when the tension grows and riots start breaking out when the LAPD ends up potentially killing someone? I am sure there are quite a few large black males that under the cloak of night could be mistakenly shot.

The general public I would wager isn't afraid of Dorner, but what will happen as a result. Particularly violence by the LAPD and chaos that is soon to come. Being as calm and tactical is possible is the best thing the LAPD can do at this point.
2013-02-09 02:54:05 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: Un, I'm not a cop, not related to one (thank god), so I have nothing to fear from Dorner.

On the other hand, the cops seem to be shooting innocent people....


4 so far.  Two are unreported, at least 1 dead.  This btw isnt new, this is just a day ending in the letter Y.  Dorner meanwhile has publicly stated what his targets are, and none of us are on that list in any way shape or form.

But none of this  matters, nothing ever changes.  Dorner would need a nuke to make a dent in the corruption in just one city.   You might as well pray for that astroid to land directly on L.A. as expect anything good or even an investigation to come out of any of this.
2013-02-09 02:53:40 PM
1 votes:
Girion47: 

You're missing the point entirely.  The point isn't that they're keeping civilians safe.  The point is that they're keeping cops safe.  A cops job is to keep other cops safe.  First and foremost.  It's a big part of their training. Civilian safety is rarely mentioned and only for laughs to keep cops loose during training.

Fun Fact:  Cops are civilians.


Not according to them.

There are two kinds of people in the world of Cops. Cops, and scumbags. If you aren't a cop, you're a scumbag.
A "civilian" is just a scumbag that hasn't gotten caught yet.
2013-02-09 02:51:11 PM
1 votes:

wellreadneck: Fairly certain that was sarcasm.


Well goddamnit.  Ever since Poe's Law became law of the land, my meter's been completely broken.  It's become nearly impossible to tell good sarcasm and satire from honest-to-retardedness derp now.  I'll offer a conditional apology to StoPPeRmobile, so long as they were really snarking and not derping.

Popcorn Johnny: Yes because cops are now experts at identifying each particular make and model of pick up truck and it's easy to tell the difference between a grey and blue vehicle in the dark.


I sure as fark can.  And you best believe I'd have triple verified it before I pulled a gun out, let alone started shooting it.  These morons don't deserve to have a badge, let alone own firearms.
2013-02-09 02:45:26 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: fredklein: And you're an idiot.

Yes because cops are now experts at identifying each particular make and model of pick up truck and it's easy to tell the difference between a grey and blue vehicle in the dark.

Go to hell, you immature piece of cop hating shiat.


That's right, cops aren't issued mag-lights or have these spotlight things mounted on their windshields.  The cops acted inappropriately, they did not approach the vehicle following the SOP.  Just because someone is armed the SOP doesn't fly out the window, any one that's ever taken firearm safety can tell you that identifying your target prior to shooting is the single most important aspect of firing a weapon.
2013-02-09 02:41:42 PM
1 votes:

AcesFull: Popular Opinion: Popcorn Johnny: The cop hating club has taken over this thread, time for normal people to leave.

i don't think people hate the police, they hate what they have become.
they serve and protect mostly themselves, at the peril of anyone else, apparently.
their refusal to police themselves is exactly what this is all about.


hate them or not...You look out the window at your children playing in the yard and a disheveled Dorner is walking up your driveway with a pistol in his hand...I dont care what your politics are...Your first reaction is gonna be 911 as you prepare to defend your home and family...


I fear Dorner much less than the rest of the police. Dorner didn't shoot up that truck with the ladies....
2013-02-09 02:40:48 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: Popcorn Johnny: fredklein: And you're an idiot.

Yes because cops are now experts at identifying each particular make and model of pick up truck and it's easy to tell the difference between a grey and blue vehicle in the dark.


If they can't tell one type of vehicle from another, then maybe they shouldn't be cops. If they can't tell one COLOR from another, they definitely shouldn't be cops.

Go to hell, you immature piece of cop hating shiat.

And *I'm* immature? Hahahahaha

/I am a little fuddled when it comes to html, though.
2013-02-09 02:35:43 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: The Southern Dandy: Why do so many people hate cops?

Because they wouldn't let them skateboard in the bank parking lot.


Pull your head out Johnny.  If it were only punk skateboarders, it wouldn't be an issue.
2013-02-09 02:35:22 PM
1 votes:

ZeroPly: Half the people on the Internet are cheering this guy on. I think what's freaking out the LAPD more than this guy possibly being out there with a 50 cal, is that people are laughing at them and saying they had this coming.


That and this guys skillsets. Dorner is not just some dirtbag, he is ex LAPD. and an ex military officer.
Beck is going to be coming out pretty quick with the "more time with his family" line and Lame Duck Villaraigosa is pandering for a 1/2% tax increase for more cops. Talk about a leadership vacuum.
There is a lot of "Perfect Storm" to this whole surreal situation to include all those cops freezing their butts off looking for him in Big Bear.
Finally, LAPD does not pay OT, so everyone out  there looking for him that are members of the LAPD are working for comp time.
One might even consider that some people could be calling in false sightings. What a resource sucker that is.
2013-02-09 02:31:21 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: justtray: Citation needed.

Also stop lying. The truck shot didn't match the suspect vehicle. Not in make, model, or color.

You're such a bad troll and now you're backing away from your position yesterday that the cops were in the right. Own being wrong.

Amazing how you cop hating retards refuse to take 5 minutes to learn the basic facts about the case you're spending so much time biatching about.  Guess it's easier to call people a troll.

Guess what, you're the farking troll.


And you're an idiot.

The truck was not a Nissan Titan, but a Toyota Tacoma. The color wasn't gray, but aqua blue. And it wasn't Dorner inside the truck, but Carranza and her mother delivering copies of the Los Angeles Times.
2013-02-09 02:30:15 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: The cop hating club has taken over this thread, time for normal people to leave.


i don't think people hate the police, they hate what they have become.
they serve and protect mostly themselves, at the peril of anyone else, apparently.
their refusal to police themselves is exactly what this is all about.
2013-02-09 02:22:41 PM
1 votes:

Girion47: Popcorn Johnny: The situation that led to the two Asian ladies getting shot was kind of screwed up.  The cops spot a vehicle that matches the initial description of the suspects vehicle.  The truck is heading into the neighborhood of one of the people named as a target in the manifesto.  Truck then turns down the street, kills the headlights and slows down.  Can't blame the cops for thinking they had the right vehicle.

That said, the cops are still morons for opening fire.  They should have taken up defensive positions around the truck and ordered the occupants out.  They need to be fired, or at a minimum, reassigned to a desk job and never allowed to carry a gun again.

They need criminal charges brought against them, anything less is an insult to the worth of the humans that they assaulted in violation of the law.


You're missing the point entirely.  The point isn't that they're keeping civilians safe.  The point is that they're keeping cops safe.  A cops job is to keep other cops safe.  First and foremost.  It's a big part of their training. Civilian safety is rarely mentioned and only for laughs to keep cops loose during training.
2013-02-09 02:21:28 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Amazing how you cop hating retards refuse to take 5 minutes to learn the basic facts about the case you're spending so much time biatching about.


... the "basic facts" that you made up?

Popcorn Johnny: The cops spot a vehicle that matches the initial description of the suspects vehicle.


Bzzt. Other than the fact that it was a pick-up, it doesn't match at all. Wrong make, wrong model,  wrong color.

The truck is heading into the neighborhood of one of the people named as a target in the manifesto.

Bzzt. They were already in the neighborhood, and the cops never saw them "heading in" as you imply. They only saw them once they were already there. You make it seem like the cops follow them in, which is simply false.

Truck then turns down the street, kills the headlights and slows down.

Bzzt. Truck was already on the street, had its headlights already off, and was moving slowly because one of them was throwing papers at each house.

Can't blame the cops for thinking they had the right vehicle.

Considering that the cops  shot the truck from behind, the truck had already passed the house they were guarding. At which point, they should have thought that maybe this wrong-color, wrong-model truck that was lobbing newspapers at every house was, I don't know, the newspaper delivery?

Don't berate others for not knowing the facts, when its clear that your only knowledge of them is what you pulled from your ass.
2013-02-09 02:17:23 PM
1 votes:

Arn_Dee: What the fark could they possibly be charged with?


Well, according to this article:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/cops-opened-fire-on-mot h er-daughter-during-dorner-manhunt.html

" But he did say that the gunfire occurred in two bursts: The first came from an officer positioned down the block from the LAPD official's residence, and the second when Carranza accelerated away from the gunfire and toward other officers."

They "accelerated ..toward... officers". Trying to run down cops? That's attempted murder.
2013-02-09 02:13:17 PM
1 votes:
For those who may not know or remember, The Onion is satirizing the death of Amadou Diallo.

In the early morning of February 4, 1999, Diallo was standing near his building after returning from a meal. Police officers Edward McMellon, Sean Carroll, Kenneth Boss and Richard Murphy passed by in a Ford Taurus. Observing that Diallo matched the description of a since-captured well-armed serial rapist involved in the rape or attempted rape of 51 victims, they approached him.[3][4] The officers were in plain clothes.

The officers claimed they loudly identified themselves as NYPD officers and that Diallo ran up the outside steps toward his apartment house doorway at their approach, ignoring their orders to stop and "show his hands". The porch lightbulb was out and Diallo was backlit by the inside vestibule light, showing only a silhouette. Diallo then reached into his jacket and withdrew his wallet. Seeing the suspect holding a small square object, Carroll yelled "Gun!" to alert his colleagues. Believing Diallo had aimed a gun at them at close range, the officers opened fire on Diallo. During the shooting, lead officer McMellon tripped backward off the front stairs, causing the other officers to believe he had been shot. The four officers fired 41 shots, more than half of which went astray as Diallo was hit 19 times.[1]

The post-shooting investigation found no weapons on Diallo's body; the item he had pulled out of his jacket was not a gun, but a rectangular black wallet. The internal NYPD investigation ruled the officers had acted within policy, based on what a reasonable police officer would have done in the same circumstances with the information they had. The Diallo shooting led to a review of police training policy and the use of full metal jacket (FMJ) bullets. On March 25, 1999 a Bronx grand jury indicted the four officers on charges of second-degree murder and reckless endangerment. On December 16, an appellate court ordered a change of venue to Albany, New York, stating that pretrial publicity had made a fair trial in New York City impossible. On February 25, 2000, after two days of deliberation, a mixed-race jury in Albany acquitted the officers of all charges. Officer Kenneth Boss had been previously involved in an incident where an unarmed man was shot, but remained working as a police officer. A 22-year-old man, Patrick Bailey, died after Boss shot him on October 31, 1997.[5] As of 2012 Boss is the only remaining officer working for the NYPD.[6]
2013-02-09 02:03:12 PM
1 votes:
just remember that thousands of innocent lives have been taken by out of control police
if there was no video, virtually none of them would result in any disciplinary actions or firings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas
2013-02-09 01:52:32 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: The situation that led to the two Asian ladies getting shot was kind of screwed up.  The cops spot a vehicle that matches the initial description of the suspects vehicle.  The truck is heading into the neighborhood of one of the people named as a target in the manifesto.  Truck then turns down the street, kills the headlights and slows down.  Can't blame the cops for thinking they had the right vehicle.

That said, the cops are still morons for opening fire.  They should have taken up defensive positions around the truck and ordered the occupants out.  They need to be fired, or at a minimum, reassigned to a desk job and never allowed to carry a gun again.


Citation needed.

Also stop lying. The truck shot didn't match the suspect vehicle. Not in make, model, or color.

You're such a bad troll and now you're backing away from your position yesterday that the cops were in the right. Own being wrong.
2013-02-09 01:50:11 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Amos Quito: You want to reign in a massive, corrupt local organization like the LAPD by granting unlimited powers to create a MUCH larger (nationwide) organization that will inevitably become even MORE corrupt and abusive?

Who will be left to "watch the watchers", BronyMedic?

It's the nature of power. Think it through, dude.

You're proposed "cure" is far, FAR worse than the "disease".

Really? Because it works great for those evil socialist commies over in Europe.
Works great for those evil slant eyed imperialists monsters stealing American Jobs in Japan too!

Bontesla: You said I was acting like a Aurora/Newton denier and then insulted me.

We aren't having a discussion.

If you don't want to be accused of acting like one, don't put forth statements that can be seen as conspiracy theories, with no proof none-the-less, and then act incredulous when the conclusion is drawn.

I'll apologize to you for seeing you as saying that if that's not what your intention was.


I never put forth any such nonsense. I only said there wasn't enough evidence to condemn a man that hasn't stood trial. He allegedly murdered three people which makes him the prime suspect in the murder of three people.

This doesn't make me irrational - but your attempt to insult me because of that opinion was an irrational response on your part.

Apology accepted.
2013-02-09 01:46:26 PM
1 votes:

KarmicDisaster: Look at the number of holes in that truck; one of their problems is that as soon as one cop fires a shot, they all open up and continue firing until their ammo is gone, regardless of the actual situation. Too bad they aren't smart enough to make decisions for themselves.



If they were, they wouldn't likely be members of the LAPD Gang, would they?
2013-02-09 01:34:47 PM
1 votes:

StoPPeRmobile: dready zim: Mind you, the police have a hard choice to make right now. They have to search for specifically a black male whilst at the same time not exclusively stopping black males to find him and minimizing the cost of the operation.

Choice one, stop an equal number of black or white, males or females to see if they are the black male they seek. A course of action that would leave them open to claims that they are wasting police funds

Choice two, only stop black males to see if they are the black male they seek. A course of action that would lead them open to claims of racial profiling and racism in general and claims of harassment.

tough.

Nah, I already said it upthread.

The Fourth Amendment must go. It's an antiquated idea from a much simpler time.


If I was standing behind those cops, while they were shooting up that truck with two innocent women inside (say it was my mom and sister), the 4th would have theoretically allowed me to own and use a gun in protection of innocent lives being threatened by out of control government agencies overstepping their rights and responsibilities at the peril of the entire public.

we need the right to be able to protect ourselves from criminals, civilian or otherwise.
2013-02-09 01:32:46 PM
1 votes:
This was the worst of them. This guy flat out lies about what he said once he realizes the game is up. See the cop lie.
2013-02-09 01:30:14 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: SuperNinjaToad: LordJiro: Dorner should find some TV studio, some local news station, and offer an interview. The station can't resist ratings like that, and, especially if the LAPD shuts it down and/or shoots the guy, it will only make the LAPD look worse, to the point that the Feds will have almost no choice but to take some major action.

again this is not made for TV specials. How the hell is to to call for an interview w/o getting himself trap,  ambushed and killed? I seriouly doubt any reporter/journalist etc would not be picking up the phone and calling 911 the moment they hear his voice.
Even the tapes he set Anderson Cooper etc was never aired or maybe even looked at by a select few before given to the FBI or police the moment the mailman delivered them.


Actually the mailman delivered the "tapes" (DVD) Dorner sent to Cooper on Feb 1, but CNN (predictably) ignored them until after the manhunt was well underway, and didn't "discover" them until Thursday.

Had Dorner not gone on his rampage, they likely would have NEVER been looked at, but simply tossed in the dumpster like all the other "crap" that is no doubt sent to such news organizations by kooks, weirdos and "conspiracy theorists" on a daily basis.


Which is why I think there are more tapes out there.
2013-02-09 01:29:19 PM
1 votes:

Arn_Dee: What the fark could they possibly be charged with?


The police are shooting random civilians and getting away with it; they'll come up with something if they feel it would benefit them and it would be their word against that of the victims.
2013-02-09 01:28:17 PM
1 votes:

StrangeQ: BronyMedic: The question that anyone, even pro-Law Enforcement, should be asking is "Why the fark did you think it was acceptable to open up on a vehicle without even identifying a threat?" The actions of that officer involved are inexcusable, and reek of panic and anger.

The police have gotten to the point where they are above criticism.  You never see truly investigative reports on the police or their actions.  In a way, they have succeeded in their goal of making the general population fear them to the point that they no longer raise criticisms due to fear of retaliation.


Exactly. Most of the time when there's any sort of investigation it's only to appease the public and make it look as if they're going to do anything about an officers actions that are in question. The most a cop will get is time off with pay, which is not punishment of any sort but a paid vacation. Why wouldn't a cop treat everyone they encounter like shiat when this is the most they get?
2013-02-09 01:26:50 PM
1 votes:

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Last item I read about this case concerned the LAPD's attempted murder of a couple of white(?) women. Have they decided to narrow their focus?


Actually they were hispanic, which the neo-fascist police state deems "unavoidable collateral damage", not unlike so many blown up afgans sitting in their mud huts, trying to mind their own business.
2013-02-09 01:17:59 PM
1 votes:

RDixon: BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.

Why do you think he is a hero?


Whoever taught you to read should be punched in the crotch.
2013-02-09 01:17:38 PM
1 votes:

Arn_Dee: orclover: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Heard their lawyer on KFI the other day. The 78 year old grandmother was shot twice in the back. She's in "stable" condition in the hospital. Her 45 year old daughter was cut on the hand by a piece of "something" (bullet fragment, car metal, no one is sure) and is in good condition.

Mother and daughter are undoubtedly spending the convalescence time looking at Hawaiian vacation brochures and new home plans. They've basically won the lottery.

I wish this was true but you unfortunately know nothing of modern civil liability when it comes to Los Angeles police forces.  The days of Rodney King level of payouts are long long gone my friend.  If they are lucky they will get a bit more than just their medical bills paid off and the repairs to their car.  They ARE lucky that the incident was well publicized, because now they likely wont be going to prison.  Not kidding.   Charges will likely still be pressed against them in order to intimidate them into not pressing civil liability too hard.

Lottery?  These people are likely very farked.  You people know absolutely nothing about cops at all.  You just know what you see in the movies.  That scares the fark out of me btw.

What the fark could they possibly be charged with?




They may have questionable immigration status. It certainly shouldn't be used against them, but I could easily imagine it could be if that's the case. Huge numbers of ordinary citizens have something that can be dredged up if the law enforcement microscope is focused on them.
2013-02-09 01:14:05 PM
1 votes:

SuperNinjaToad: LordJiro: Dorner should find some TV studio, some local news station, and offer an interview. The station can't resist ratings like that, and, especially if the LAPD shuts it down and/or shoots the guy, it will only make the LAPD look worse, to the point that the Feds will have almost no choice but to take some major action.

again this is not made for TV specials. How the hell is to to call for an interview w/o getting himself trap,  ambushed and killed? I seriouly doubt any reporter/journalist etc would not be picking up the phone and calling 911 the moment they hear his voice.
Even the tapes he set Anderson Cooper etc was never aired or maybe even looked at by a select few before given to the FBI or police the moment the mailman delivered them.



Actually the mailman delivered the "tapes" (DVD) Dorner sent to Cooper on Feb 1, but CNN (predictably) ignored them until after the manhunt was well underway, and didn't "discover" them until Thursday.

Had Dorner not gone on his rampage, they likely would have NEVER been looked at, but simply tossed in the dumpster like all the other "crap" that is no doubt sent to such news organizations by kooks, weirdos and "conspiracy theorists" on a daily basis.
2013-02-09 01:11:28 PM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Reckless driving, driving with headlamps out, not immediately stopping for an officer, etc etc etc

Dream on. Also, when exactly were they asked to stop?
Answer: They were not asked to stop unless you count 7 LAPD Detectives unloading there weapons on your vehicle from behind as such.
2013-02-09 01:11:07 PM
1 votes:

Bontesla: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Bontesla:

If I were the LAPD - I would run a fake "evidence DVD" on any network that would let me. It would be something ridiculous and would result in discrediting Dorner. Maybe something about alien invasions to replace the president. If Dorner is listening - he might try to refutre/deny that the dvd was his. It would be a perfect opportunity to set a trap. "Smoke him out" as it were.

I agree.  What you've just laid out is Dorner's kryptonite.
It would be a damn shame, too, because all it would do
is get Dorner killed and let the LAPD get away with murder,
attempted murder, property damage, intimidation and defamation -- again.

Agreed.

The LAPD should be no where near this investigation. It's like allowing members of a gang to find their snitch.


Completely agree with you. And I also agree the LAPD will never clean itsself up. It's going to take federal legislation and involvement to do it.

Amazing how the LAPD can be brought up to disprove State's rights arguments, isn't it?
2013-02-09 01:10:08 PM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Bontesla:

If I were the LAPD - I would run a fake "evidence DVD" on any network that would let me. It would be something ridiculous and would result in discrediting Dorner. Maybe something about alien invasions to replace the president. If Dorner is listening - he might try to refutre/deny that the dvd was his. It would be a perfect opportunity to set a trap. "Smoke him out" as it were.

I agree.  What you've just laid out is Dorner's kryptonite.
It would be a damn shame, too, because all it would do
is get Dorner killed and let the LAPD get away with murder,
attempted murder, property damage, intimidation and defamation -- again.


Agreed.

The LAPD should be no where near this investigation. It's like allowing members of a gang to find their snitch.
2013-02-09 12:53:06 PM
1 votes:

SuperNinjaToad: LordJiro: Dorner should find some TV studio, some local news station, and offer an interview. The station can't resist ratings like that, and, especially if the LAPD shuts it down and/or shoots the guy, it will only make the LAPD look worse, to the point that the Feds will have almost no choice but to take some major action.

again this is not made for TV specials. How the hell is to to call for an interview w/o getting himself trap,  ambushed and killed? I seriouly doubt any reporter/journalist etc would not be picking up the phone and calling 911 the moment they hear his voice.
Even the tapes he set Anderson Cooper etc was never aired or maybe even looked at by a select few before given to the FBI or police the moment the mailman delivered them.


I don't know. I'm sure Anderson Cooper handed over the package - but I would bet good money on them making a copy beforehand. From what I've heard - the dvd he was sent contains an account about the mentally disabled man who was kicked by officer.

I would be surprised if Anderson Cooper was the only person to receive a package. I'm sure there's a team of three journalist trying to review and verify something they received at another network. Dorner likely sent something to all of the national networks in hopes to get his story out.

If I were the LAPD - I would run a fake "evidence DVD" on any network that would let me. It would be something ridiculous and would result in discrediting Dorner. Maybe something about alien invasions to replace the president. If Dorner is listening - he might try to refutre/deny that the dvd was his. It would be a perfect opportunity to set a trap. "Smoke him out" as it were.
2013-02-09 12:45:53 PM
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.

As opposes to the LAPD who is gunning down innocent civilians in their trucks

I'm actually concerned about the lack of outrage a lot of people seem to have for the fact that the LAPD is GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS in cars.




It's a tradition.
www.historyguy.com
2013-02-09 12:41:57 PM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: He's had 3-4 years to get ready for this. Safe house(s)? Check. Lots of weapons, including military ordnance? Check. Really good fake IDs? Check. List of supporters/enablers in the Black (and possibly other) community? Check.


I wouldn't expect that he's been planning this for four years. Something more recent likely triggered it; whether discharge from the Naval Reserves, maybe final appeals ruling against him or something similar. It is likely he's only been working on this for a couple months.

Eventually, he's out of cash and being on the lam would necessitate cash transactions. Having been a cop, though, means he knows where the drug dealers are and how to identify them. He could start knocking them over for more cash, knowing they're not likely to call the cops.
2013-02-09 12:40:24 PM
1 votes:

LordJiro: Dorner should find some TV studio, some local news station, and offer an interview. The station can't resist ratings like that, and, especially if the LAPD shuts it down and/or shoots the guy, it will only make the LAPD look worse, to the point that the Feds will have almost no choice but to take some major action.


again this is not made for TV specials. How the hell is to to call for an interview w/o getting himself trap,  ambushed and killed? I seriouly doubt any reporter/journalist etc would not be picking up the phone and calling 911 the moment they hear his voice.
Even the tapes he set Anderson Cooper etc was never aired or maybe even looked at by a select few before given to the FBI or police the moment the mailman delivered them.
2013-02-09 12:35:15 PM
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.

As opposes to the LAPD who is gunning down innocent civilians in their trucks

I'm actually concerned about the lack of outrage a lot of people seem to have for the fact that the LAPD is GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS in cars.


For you, the day the LAPD shot up a truck full of elderly women was the most important day of your life.

But for them, it was Tuesday.
2013-02-09 12:25:37 PM
1 votes:
This whole mess makes me imagine a reverse Stalag 17 type of scenario. The POWs are the bad guys (LAPD). They have their sneaky plans and get outed by snitch Price (Dorner). They tie cans to his legs and throw him out in the yard as a distraction to carry out their dirty deeds while the snitch gets about 10lbs. of lead pumped into him.

4.bp.blogspot.com

Maybe I need to lay off the booze.
2013-02-09 12:24:39 PM
1 votes:

Theory Of Null: In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.

Looks like he is sending them on a wild goose chase until he pops up again or to throw them off while flees the state entirely. My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide


He's had 3-4 years to get ready for this. Safe house(s)? Check. Lots of weapons, including military ordnance? Check. Really good fake IDs? Check. List of supporters/enablers in the Black (and possibly other) community? Check.

In a previous post I questioned whether he did in fact kill the two kids in Irvine. He has NOT admitted to doing so; the manifesto seems a bit coy about that. But if he DID, then the deaths are right in line with asymmetrical warfare doctrine. Stretch, rattle and exhaust the numerically vastly larger enemy by forcing him to guard as many potential targets as possible. Force this by doing an initial civilian "example" and threatening more family deaths. The threat will be taken seriously because of the initial deaths.

If this is the scenario, I would expect him to lay low for perhaps a week, then strike again. Possibly a bomb, the next time.
2013-02-09 12:20:06 PM
1 votes:

Girion47: Those of you that want this guy dead are seriously farked in the head.   Like any other american he deserves a trial.  But then I guess I shouldn't expect much from a population that ignores their president's published policy on using drone strikes against fellow citizens.

It's also quite disturbing that these officers that assaulted the innocent people won't be brought up on criminal charges with  mandatory maximum sentences.  A police officer should be subject to the maximum penalty whenever they break a law considering the leeway they're given in enforcing the laws.


Didn't you hear? It's different if it's a guy you don't like it apparently.

Never mind that we shouldn't be encouraging an already corrupt police force to kill on sight. It has a way of coming back to bite us.
2013-02-09 12:09:30 PM
1 votes:
Dorner should find some TV studio, some local news station, and offer an interview. The station can't resist ratings like that, and, especially if the LAPD shuts it down and/or shoots the guy, it will only make the LAPD look worse, to the point that the Feds will have almost no choice but to take some major action.
2013-02-09 12:06:33 PM
1 votes:

AcesFull: When he murdered that mans' daughter,he declared he was playing no limit...all in.  It will be a fiery finish comparable to the SLA shootout...He will have to be shot to pieces and literally on fire before he kills himself..


IF he murdered the daughter. A casual reading of the manifesto says he did. A close reading is a bit more nuanced.
2013-02-09 12:01:37 PM
1 votes:

syrynxx: That guy's parting message makes it sound like LAPD are an Aryan Brotherhood front


Except that the LAPD is 55% non-white.  Whites are actually underrepresented compared to the general population of L.A. county.
2013-02-09 11:55:37 AM
1 votes:

tinyarena: My Prediction?



It's like 15 degrees in Big Bear.  This guy lost his ID in San Diego.  He fouled the propeller on his get-away boat.  Then the police almost had him at a stop.  Then, another drive-by murder of opportunity, then Big Bear.  John Rambo he is not.

Could be wrong, but I'd bet he's a popsicle by now.


My money is on a self-inflicted gunshot to the head. He claims he's severely depressed. I don't think he has much on the way of financial resources to support being on the lam. The gravity of his situation will catch up to him.
2013-02-09 11:54:03 AM
1 votes:

tinyarena: My Prediction?

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It's like 15 degrees in Big Bear.  This guy lost his ID in San Diego.  He fouled the propeller on his get-away boat.  Then the police almost had him at a stop.  Then, another drive-by murder of opportunity, then Big Bear.  John Rambo he is not.

Could be wrong, but I'd bet he's a popsicle by now.


This is why I kinda doubt he went off into the mountains, it's pretty hard to evade capture while trying to survive in that environment. He's probably holed up in the city somewhere, after all the LAPD is his target isn't it?
2013-02-09 11:51:19 AM
1 votes:

pyrotek85: I'm sorry you feel that way, but it irritates me when people wish for justice to go wrong. I'm not the least bit happy about what he did (and I have little doubt that he did it), but I don't think it's healthy to think this way. I know it's just a few people letting their emotions talk on the internet, but what happens when that becomes reality? It sounds like the LAPD is already there, with their reckless behavior yesterday. They need to cool down or more innocents are going to get hurt.


I hope they catch him just so the goddamn cops stop shooting people.
I'd also wager some money that he dies before trial, even if he turns himself in peacefully.  They want him dead, badly.
2013-02-09 11:49:46 AM
1 votes:

LavenderWolf: pyrotek85: LavenderWolf: pyrotek85: NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....

You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?

There's always some coontbag who makes this conclusion when someone says "I hope that bastard gets his."

No, you retard, he's not advocating for such a cutthroat system of instant death. He's hoping the guy in question attacks the authorities and gets his comeuppance at the end of a bullet's flight path.

Well it certainly sounds like it, I hope he gets caught not killed outright. Regardless of what he did they should be trying to apprehend him so he can face justice, not kill him on sight. But he might just get his wish with the way they were all too eager to open up on those civilians yesterday.

It's just really, really irritating when someone says that in reply to what is clearly an emotional cry for justice to go wrong.

I mean, when I say "I hope the cops shoot his ass." that does not mean I wish for the laws to be changed to allow the police to just execute whomever they like. Just means I wish the cops get an excuse/reason to do it.


Which doesn't make it better.

We have a criminal justice system to distribute justice. We either trust in it or we don't. If we don't then we need to reform the system.

None of these options include hoping that the police can justifiably kill someone they're in pursuit of. This is especially the case since we have yet to see any facts presented that actually condemn the suspect.
2013-02-09 11:48:02 AM
1 votes:
My Prediction?

filmchatter.files.wordpress.com

It's like 15 degrees in Big Bear.  This guy lost his ID in San Diego.  He fouled the propeller on his get-away boat.  Then the police almost had him at a stop.  Then, another drive-by murder of opportunity, then Big Bear.  John Rambo he is not.

Could be wrong, but I'd bet he's a popsicle by now.
2013-02-09 11:46:22 AM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.


He kills an innocent woman, we put THREE innocent women in the hospital.
That's the LAPD way!
2013-02-09 11:42:49 AM
1 votes:
BronyMedic:

Yeah, that's exactly what I said, even though I pointed out anyone who's elderly with a gunshot wound will get an ICU bed.

You're right.  I'm sure it's just a precautionary measure in this case.  She should just rub some dirt on it.
2013-02-09 11:42:31 AM
1 votes:

LavenderWolf: pyrotek85: LavenderWolf: pyrotek85: NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....

You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?

There's always some coontbag who makes this conclusion when someone says "I hope that bastard gets his."

No, you retard, he's not advocating for such a cutthroat system of instant death. He's hoping the guy in question attacks the authorities and gets his comeuppance at the end of a bullet's flight path.

Well it certainly sounds like it, I hope he gets caught not killed outright. Regardless of what he did they should be trying to apprehend him so he can face justice, not kill him on sight. But he might just get his wish with the way they were all too eager to open up on those civilians yesterday.

It's just really, really irritating when someone says that in reply to what is clearly an emotional cry for justice to go wrong.

I mean, when I say "I hope the cops shoot his ass." that does not mean I wish for the laws to be changed to allow the police to just execute whomever they like. Just means I wish the cops get an excuse/reason to do it.


I'm sorry you feel that way, but it irritates me when people wish for justice to go wrong. I'm not the least bit happy about what he did (and I have little doubt that he did it), but I don't think it's healthy to think this way. I know it's just a few people letting their emotions talk on the internet, but what happens when that becomes reality? It sounds like the LAPD is already there, with their reckless behavior yesterday. They need to cool down or more innocents are going to get hurt.
2013-02-09 11:38:17 AM
1 votes:

danielscissorhands: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Last item I read about this case concerned the LAPD's attempted murder of a couple of white(?) women. Have they decided to narrow their focus?

White? LAPD? Noooo.... They were Mexican!


Jackpot!!

No more newspapering!
2013-02-09 11:24:15 AM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Madbassist1: Shut up, bootlicker.

Awww. Someone's still mad.

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Nice to see in addition to being a lulzcow who has cried for weeks because he got a two day time out, you're also one of the Dorner hero worshippers who think that it's perfectly okay to murder innocent people who had nothing to do with what happened to him.

That makes me an authoritarian, apparantly, because I don't think it's okay to target innocent family members and people who had nothing to do with it. It would have even been UNDERSTANDABLE had he targeted someone who was directly involved. Not excusable, but understandable.

biatch, please.

RDixon: Why do you think he is a hero?

Oh, please don't be such a fail troll. You've been here since 2003. You've cheered him on in this thread. At least have the integrity to stand by your comments. Own it, brother!


Where's the thread for farkers who think both parties are scum?

Easily half of LAPD deserves a bullet, it's just not mine or his place to hand them out.

And surely that includes Dorner, supposing he did indeed kill innocent civilians for being tangentially related to his case. Because, what the fark, dude.
2013-02-09 11:22:39 AM
1 votes:

Bontesla: I sincerely hope that Dorner is out of California by now. They're trying to execute him.


...because they have to.
2013-02-09 11:19:44 AM
1 votes:

LessO2: Dormer has got to still be alive.

He knows how the cops are going to look for him.  His manifesto mentions he will use surprise tactics.  That likely includes "waiting things out" until his notoriety fades for the time being.   He knows that all it takes for him to get off the headlines is for Lindsay Lohan to flash her crotch again.

This guy felt he was wronged back in 2009.  That means he has had three to four years of planning this stuff out.  I doubt he woke up one morning and decided to carry this out.  He has a plan, and as someone mentioned earlier, time is his friend right now.  I'm guessing that part of his plan is to get the corruption in the LAPD to be front and center in the headlines.  And by him sitting around doing nothing, the attention goes from the murders to investigating his claims in the manifesto.

He probably know exactly what he's doing right about now.


My guess is he figured on LAPD overreaction (which happens to *everything* that LAPD is involved in) and thought they'd tie their own noose, put their own head in, and jump off the gallows themselves.

LAPD appears to be obliging him, given that they put an elderly female lawyer in the hospital with a gunshot wound to the back.
2013-02-09 11:12:41 AM
1 votes:
2013-02-09 11:09:22 AM
1 votes:

dr_blasto: The LAPD is an awful organization that has been rotting from within for decades. There's no doubt about that. Whomever the officers were that shot up the other vehicle should get the same GJ treatment as the ones shooting up that neighborhood. The whole organization needs an enema of epic proportions all the way to the top. That doesn't justify assassinating people in uniform, though. I don't think the LAPD is above murdering this guy if he's found alive and unresisting at some point which doesn't make them any better if that's how it goes.


This. Fire everyone from the top down. Get the FBI or state troopers to pick up the slack in the meantime. The officers can have the option of being rehired, but they go under the farking microscope.
2013-02-09 11:07:10 AM
1 votes:
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2013-02-09 10:54:54 AM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: pyrotek85: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Looks like they survived fortunately

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57568368/christopher-dorner-manh un t-two-innocent-women-shot-by-lapd-officers-had-no-warning/

Yeah, that 70 year old lady is so alright, she's in the Intensive Care Unit.  It's just me, but there's a subtle difference between things being alright because you're in intensive care, and things being all fked to hell in back because you're in intensive care.
One subtlety says 'hey, it's no big deal after all that the cops shot at her because she'll live'; the other is 'why in god's name did they put that lady in the intensive care unit in the first place'?

Right now, the subtlety is the first one, so that being in the intensive care unit is placed on the same level as same-day care walking out no big deal.  You know what I mean?


Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say she's alright or its no big deal, I just said she's not dead, which I think is usually better than the alternative but its still bad. The cops screwed up big time.
2013-02-09 10:52:19 AM
1 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: /Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. He's farking bugshiat crazy, has killed innocent people, and will continue to do so unless stopped,


Unlike the cops themselves, who have a Loooooong history of abusing people, and have shot up at least two trucks full of innocent people.
2013-02-09 10:51:00 AM
1 votes:

Bontesla: It's incredibly disturbing. But it's more than a lack of outrage. People are actually siding with the cops - defending the shooting of unarmed, innocent people.


I haven't heard anyone do that yet, but if anyone dares to within earshot, they are going to hear all about what kind of morons they are.
2013-02-09 10:41:00 AM
1 votes:
While I do not in any way condone violence of this calibre against people who have wronged you and especially not against their innocent family members, I don't believe that all of Dorner's credibility dissolves because he chose to resort to such extreme methods in order to have his (seemingly serious and legitimate) claims against the LAPD heard.

Regardless of the crimes Dorner is committing now (which are serious and he needs to be stopped - again, not condoning the killing of anyone or calling him a hero), the allegations he raised against the LAPD need to be investigated. It's rather telling that the cops appear to be shooting at anything everything even tangentially resembling Dorner or his truck. If they truly had nothing to hide, they would be trying to bring him in to be charged for his crimes in court, not clearly wanting him executed immediately so he cannot speak for himself.

Clearly something happened to this previously sane individual to drive him to what he is currently doing, and to dismiss these reasons as nonsense is asinine.

I hope they find him and bring him in alive, but we all know that's not likely to happen.

This is just a farked up situation all around.
2013-02-09 10:40:07 AM
1 votes:

MNguy: I'm sure you have sources for your conjecture about this woman. She probably was just scared by all the noise.


There's a link furthe rup the thread:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57568368/christopher-dorner-manhu n t-two-innocent-women-shot-by-lapd-officers-had-no-warning/
"Carranza suffered minor injuries to her hand from shattering glass.

Hernandez, who was shot in the back, is in ICU at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center."
2013-02-09 10:30:44 AM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Bontesla: iron_city_ap: neversummer: I think this dude is prepared to hide for months. There's very little benefit in continuing these attacks in the short term. He's done enough to trigger the LAPD into a tailspin. Time is his friend now.

Exactly. He'll lay low till they calm down, then he'll strike again. Followed by disappearing while they freak out. Rinse. Repeat.

I don't think so. This guy is convinced there's a conspiracy within the LAPD. He's either delusional, dishonest, or is trying to expose corruption at some fairly high levels.

My money is on either delusion or exposure. I'd speculate that he's going to try to contact the media. He's already reached out to Anderson Cooper. I would be surprised if other "news" anchors haven't received something they're trying to independently verify. He's written a really lengthy, rambling manifesto trying to communicate events that he's convinced happened. I think he wants to get the story out. That comes across as his main objective.

I think we're going to see more "evidence" surface. The evidence will either highlight psychosis or corruption.

That's how I forecast it.

He's not delusional - about the LAPD.  He's had a psychotic break, but he's not delusional about the culture within the LAPD.  He's given names, dates, details.  He's attempted to keep a paper trail.  This is exposure.

Now, he's delusional that killing anyone is going to resolve anything.  But at least he's also not naive enough to assume that completely playing by the rules is the only way to get things done.  It is not.  He gave information to the media which sat unread and untouched until somebody got killed?  Perfect example that playing by the rules completely is not the only way to get shiat done.  (Is there a Freakonomics chapter on that?)


I don't know if he's killed the fiance/daughter or the police officer. That's what the court system is for. They're the fact finders. We hire them to establish the facts. I have yet to see any facts about this case (and that makes sense - why tip your hand before court?). But right now - he's only a suspect in the killing of three people.
2013-02-09 10:25:35 AM
1 votes:
Couple more random shootings by police of innocent citizens, couple more police apologists telling black people not to wear hoodies or do anything other than drop to the ground when they see a police officer, and Dorner is going to become a hero to the subset of the population that is normally terrorized by the LAPD. I wouldn't be surprised to see people offering to hide him, and an increase in the number of false sightings all over the county. He could probably disappear in Compton right now.
2013-02-09 10:25:32 AM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: BronyMedic: The question that anyone, even pro-Law Enforcement, should be asking is "Why the fark did you think it was acceptable to open up on a vehicle without even identifying a threat?" The actions of that officer involved are inexcusable, and reek of panic and anger.

Two months from now: A police investigatory panel have investigated and determined that there was no fault by the officer. He's been commended and received a "good for you" bonus and medal.


Guarantee it, has happened before.  If I had a restraining order against someone who had a hit list and was going around killing people and I lit up some random truck delivering papers because it LOOKED like the suspect's truck I would never be let out of prison.  These officers won't even be suspended, the city will just pay off the victims.
2013-02-09 10:23:46 AM
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StoPPeRmobile: In order for society to be safe we must look within.


And that, my friend, is where you are wrong. In order for society to really be safe, we must refuse to stop trusting one another. This "blaze-of-glory exit" only became possible when we stopped trusting people to do the right thing: instead of banding together to protect one another, we cowered in a form of mutual helplessness. That has to change if we are going to be safe again: we don't need to have armed guards, we need to be armed guards.

This doesn't necessarily mean putting a gun in every hand, but it does mean more guns in more hands: enough to pin down a blaze-of-glory shooter long before the body count gets too high. You don't have to reduce the potential count to zero, which isn't possible anyway: you only have to reduce it enough that it's no longer worth trying for in the eyes of these shooters. Do that, and the shootings stop, and the body count goes to zero anyway: even the shooter gets saved, and no one's rights are violated. Everyone wins.
2013-02-09 10:22:27 AM
1 votes:

TofuTheAlmighty: "Black men [in LA] should avoid even the most banal confrontations with the police...make sure you cooperate with the police; now is not the right time to wear a hoodie."

Sounds an awful lot like "She was asking for it, just look how short that skirt is."


Exactly.  I was thinking more along the lines what every psychopathic killer says to his (soon-to-be) victims...."Look at what you made me do!"
2013-02-09 10:18:50 AM
1 votes:

MNguy: I'm sure you have sources for your conjecture about this woman.  She probably was just scared by all the noise.


Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what I said. Not the fact that she's a geriatric patient with a gunshot wound being taken into account.
2013-02-09 10:16:18 AM
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dittybopper: neversummer: I think this dude is prepared to hide for months. There's very little benefit in continuing these attacks in the short term. He's done enough to trigger the LAPD into a tailspin. Time is his friend now.

Quite likely.

If he waits a while, the furor will start to die down, the LAPD will let its guard down (you can't maintain a high state of alert forever), and he can hit another target.




I'm thinking its either this or he's already fled the country.

When they got a general sense of his location they should have called out a militia/posse/whatever and wrapped a wall of manpower around there.
House to house with a handful of swat guys leaves too much open ground for him to use, and the more time passes the more we have to wonder if he's already escaped from the area.

Time isn't on the cops side. They need to clear that scene quickly or he's just as good as lost.

/Its also a good chance that he's eaten his gun already and this is just a body recovery.
/but a long wait with no evidence is a very bad thing.
2013-02-09 10:15:25 AM
1 votes:

colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.


Generallyso is asking whether the two little old ladies, and the white dude whose truck also got rammed and shot at (headshot!) are the only incidents which have been reported since the first day, or have others also been reported (or been suppressed).  At least, I think that's what you're asking?

By the way, funny how when the info originally came down the wire, the word was that the two trucks *did* match the description, but when the internet got a hold of it and shiatloads of people started going to the news sites' online message boards and asking how the trucks could possibly match Dorner's because they saw the pictures elsewhere....................  the media changed the message, without acknowledging the change.
2013-02-09 10:10:40 AM
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jakomo002: dinch: I read his manifesto. He had some pretty salient points. Then he started talking about Tebow.

Same here. Some of the shockingly racist things that happen in the LAPD really surprised me. I thought they had cleaned that up, or at least tried.

I wasn't aware, for example, that one of the officers in the Rodney King tape (one swinging the baton) got a PROMOTION eventually, and now commands 200 LA police officers.

Or that if an LAPD officer calls a fellow officer a n*gger, he essentially gets a slap on the wrist.

But some of the other stuff seems, um, less than lucid.


Like this passage?

"You allow an officer, Thaniya Sungruenyos, to attempt to hack into my credit union account and still remain on the job even when Det. Zolezzi shows the evidence that the IP address (provided by LAPFCU) that attempted to hack into my account and change my username and password leads directly to her residence. You even allow this visibly disgusting looking officer to stay on the job when she perjures (lies) in court (Clark County Family Court) to the judge's face and denies hacking into my personal credit union online account when I attempted to get my restraint order extended. Det. Zolezzi provided the evidence and you still do nothing. How do you know when a police officer is lying??? When he begins his sentence with, "based on my experience and training". No one grows up and wants to be a cop killer. It was against everything I've ever was. As a young police explorer I found my calling in life. But, As a young police officer I found that the violent suspects on the street are not the only people you have to watch. It is the officer who was hired on to the department (pre-2000) before polygraphs were standard for all new hires and an substantial vetting in a backround investigation. To those children of the officers who are eradicated, your parent was not the individual you thought they were.  "

As there's a record that that happened, perhaps the IT folks here can explain why that's no big deal after all. I don't know, maybe it isn't.  To me, a co-worker trying to change my username and password who is not authorized to access my account information in any way or form (personally or with a writ from a supervisor) ... that's serious business.  From an IT standpoint, why wouldn't it be?
2013-02-09 10:09:17 AM
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ExperianScaresCthulhu: Yeah, that 70 year old lady is so alright, she's in the Intensive Care Unit.  It's just me, but there's a subtle difference between things being alright because you're in intensive care, and things being all fked to hell in back because you're in intensive care.


If she was shot in the hand, because of her age alone they'd put her in the intensive care unit because of the staffing ratios. People like that get lost on a floor where one nurse has to care for ten or so different patients at the same time. It's not necessarily because she's knocking on the death's door.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: One subtlety says 'hey, it's no big deal after all that the cops shot at her because she'll live'; the other is 'why in god's name did they put that lady in the intensive care unit in the first place'?


The question that anyone, even pro-Law Enforcement, should be asking is "Why the fark did you think it was acceptable to open up on a vehicle without even identifying a threat?" The actions of that officer involved are inexcusable, and reek of panic and anger.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Right now, the subtlety is the first one, so that being in the intensive care unit is placed on the same level as same-day care walking out no big deal.  You know what I mean?


Not necessarily. The cops usually don't have medical training. They'll tell the media someone's in "critical but stable condition". WTF?
2013-02-09 10:07:40 AM
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iollow , bmihura: StoPPeRmobile: The Fourth Ammendment's time has come. The original framers of The Constitution had no idea that technology and society would progress to such a point of complexity and innovation. It is in society's interest to look within and root out all that may do harm to this great nation. No one needs to be secure, the authorities will provide for your protection. The only expense is a child not saved.

You're drinking early today!




The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

In order for society to be safe we must look within. This treads on The Fourth Ammendment in a way that The Fathers of The Constitution never planned. So it must go.
2013-02-09 10:02:05 AM
1 votes:

AcesFull:     When he murdered that mans' daughter,he declared he was playing no limit...all in.  It will be a fiery finish comparable to the SLA shootout...He will have to be shot to pieces and literally on fire before he kills himself..


I don't know man. I don't think they will take him alive. He feels they took his "life" once. He wont let them finish the job.
2013-02-09 10:01:12 AM
1 votes:

syrynxx: That guy's parting message makes it sound like LAPD are an Aryan Brotherhood front.  Want to beat up black people and get away with it?  Join the LAPD.
uncensored message


Hmm....  He actually  sounds like a pretty solid guy,  Wonder what the media will do with this full version.
2013-02-09 10:01:06 AM
1 votes:

neversummer: I think this dude is prepared to hide for months. There's very little benefit in continuing these attacks in the short term. He's done enough to trigger the LAPD into a tailspin. Time is his friend now.


Quite likely.

If he waits a while, the furor will start to die down, the LAPD will let its guard down (you can't maintain a high state of alert forever), and he can hit another target.
2013-02-09 09:59:22 AM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: BronyMedic: Bontesla: I sincerely hope that Dorner is out of California by now. They're trying to execute him.

You missed the thread from yesterday. There are FARK posters who think that Dorner is completely innocent, and the murders are a frame job by the LAPD to discredit him because he came forward.

That said, this seems hillariously appropriate.

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That would be a garbled recollection of me. I want evidence. If he actually came out and said 'I took out these dudes at these locations' that's one thing. But the two cops following a truck they thought resembled Dorners (ORLY?) and come to find out it wasn't (of course), so they make a turn and somebody else shoots at them and suddenly the person who shoots at them is Dorner (ORLY?) -- that just smacks of stacking on cold cases to a murder trial just so they can be closed, who gives a fk if the suspect actually did it or not.  You know?

So maybe he killed the chick and her cop fiance.  If he did it, killing them over something her father did is bogus.  But is there proof?

But the other two incidents........ don't cops get shot at every day in LA?  Will every shooting of a cop now be associated with Dorner?  I want proof.  That's all I'm saying, man.  LAPD didn't suddenly become trustworthy just because Dorner had a psychotic break.


So far - the only evidence of a Dorner-related shooting are the shootings perpetuated by the cops. Thursday - they attacked trucks. Friday they attacked residential homes, garages, cars, and utility poles. At least no one was injured in Friday's attack.

Source

As one resident says: "That's why we live here because it is safe," said the cardiologist technician. "It's ironic that the only violence we experienced here is from LAPD."
2013-02-09 09:56:23 AM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Bontesla: I sincerely hope that Dorner is out of California by now. They're trying to execute him.

You missed the thread from yesterday. There are FARK posters who think that Dorner is completely innocent, and the murders are a frame job by the LAPD to discredit him because he came forward.

That said, this seems hillariously appropriate.

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That would be a garbled recollection of me. I want evidence. If he actually came out and said 'I took out these dudes at these locations' that's one thing. But the two cops following a truck they thought resembled Dorners (ORLY?) and come to find out it wasn't (of course), so they make a turn and somebody else shoots at them and suddenly the person who shoots at them is Dorner (ORLY?) -- that just smacks of stacking on cold cases to a murder trial just so they can be closed, who gives a fk if the suspect actually did it or not.  You know?

So maybe he killed the chick and her cop fiance.  If he did it, killing them over something her father did is bogus.  But is there proof?

But the other two incidents........ don't cops get shot at every day in LA?  Will every shooting of a cop now be associated with Dorner?  I want proof.  That's all I'm saying, man.  LAPD didn't suddenly become trustworthy just because Dorner had a psychotic break.
2013-02-09 09:55:06 AM
1 votes:
If he's sniper trained, the number one thing they teach is patience.
Now is his time to be patient.
2013-02-09 09:52:09 AM
1 votes:
"We still have to insure that citizens believe the police are there to protect and serve...."

The requirement for belief would seem to insinuate that the police are there for some other reason.  If the facts surrounding their actions supported this statement, people wouldn't have to believe it, they would simply know it as the truth.
2013-02-09 09:48:15 AM
1 votes:
The LAPD is beyond fixing, and has been for years. They have no sense of shame. Look at what they did to those women. The world is watching, but they're still playing Rambo in the streets.
2013-02-09 09:42:20 AM
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DeCypher44: I don't know why, but the police and media always reference the paper delivery women in the Toyota that the police shot at, but somehow forget there was another car shot at and struck by the police. That was TWO innocents shiat at by the police.

Also, I own a dark gray Nissan Titan. The drive to work that morning (Fullerton to Irvine) was weird. All the freeway signs had a "BOLO" for Dorner's Titan. Everyone was looking at me, and a cop stared hard for a long time until he realized I'm a 5'8" Italian.

/csb


Three innocents. The newspaper delivery truck, if I recall correctly, was carrying two people: a mother and daughter. I think the bullet grazed the daughter's hand but hit the mother directly.

This happened Thursday morning so my memory is slightly hazy. These 55 hour work weeks are frying my brain.
2013-02-09 09:40:11 AM
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Fail in Human Form: Theory Of Null: In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.

Looks like he is sending them on a wild goose chase until he pops up again or to throw them off while flees the state entirely. My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide

I read a report, possibly inaccurate, that he torched two of his suppressed ARs in the truck.  If that's the case he might be starting to crack under the pressure.


Here's the thing:

To take, at face value, anything reported by the LAPD is to automatically dismiss any accusations of scandal made against the LAPD before they've been processed.

The LAPD should stand down and invite someone else to lead the investigation. Even if they're innocent of all charges - they've managed to cast doubt on their innocence.
2013-02-09 09:38:03 AM
1 votes:
I don't know why, but the police and media always reference the paper delivery women in the Toyota that the police shot at, but somehow forget there was another car shot at and struck by the police. That was TWO innocents shiat at by the police.

Also, I own a dark gray Nissan Titan. The drive to work that morning (Fullerton to Irvine) was weird. All the freeway signs had a "BOLO" for Dorner's Titan. Everyone was looking at me, and a cop stared hard for a long time until he realized I'm a 5'8" Italian.

/csb
2013-02-09 09:26:51 AM
1 votes:

Theory Of Null: In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.


To be honest? I'd be surprised if he wasn't hiding in the mountains. This was not an act that was done on the spur of the moment. He had a plan, and he's smart. For all we know, he had been planning this long enough that he had hidden caches of supplies in the forest in areas which he felt were tactically defensible and important.

Even the most basic of soldiers get some form of escape and evasion training. It sounds like he's putting his to good use.
2013-02-09 09:26:04 AM
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Theory Of Null:  My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide

Way to narrow it down, Sherlock.
2013-02-09 09:24:55 AM
1 votes:

Bontesla: I sincerely hope that Dorner is out of California by now. They're trying to execute him.


And they're shooting at anything that moves hoping they'll get lucky.
2013-02-09 09:23:54 AM
1 votes:

Bontesla: Yeah. That's such an absurd, nonsensical theory. Really - if that were true - we'd see the LAPD lose their sh*t in an effort of trying to find and silence him before he had a chance to share his evidence. I mean - we'd see the LAPD ventilate two trucks with bullet holes - injuring innocent people.


Pictured: FARKer  Bontesla hard at work on his/her/it's next groundbreaking post.

www.tinfoilonmyhead.com

In the event you're not being snarky, and actually being serious, you're the same caliber of idiot who thinks James Holmes was a false flag attack, and the aspie in Newtown was planted to let Obama come get our guns. Please, please tell me you're being snarky.

media.tumblr.com

Never attempt to relate to conspiracy what can be related to incompetence combined with anger.
2013-02-09 09:19:58 AM
1 votes:

Madbassist1: Shut up, bootlicker.


Awww. Someone's still mad.

3.bp.blogspot.com

Nice to see in addition to being a lulzcow who has cried for weeks because he got a two day time out, you're also one of the Dorner hero worshippers who think that it's perfectly okay to murder innocent people who had nothing to do with what happened to him.

That makes me an authoritarian, apparantly, because I don't think it's okay to target innocent family members and people who had nothing to do with it. It would have even been UNDERSTANDABLE had he targeted someone who was directly involved. Not excusable, but understandable.

biatch, please.

RDixon: Why do you think he is a hero?


Oh, please don't be such a fail troll. You've been here since 2003. You've cheered him on in this thread. At least have the integrity to stand by your comments. Own it, brother!
2013-02-09 09:18:53 AM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Bontesla: I sincerely hope that Dorner is out of California by now. They're trying to execute him.

You missed the thread from yesterday. There are FARK posters who think that Dorner is completely innocent, and the murders are a frame job by the LAPD to discredit him because he came forward.

That said, this seems hillariously appropriate.

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Yeah. That's such an absurd, nonsensical theory. Really - if that were true - we'd see the LAPD lose their sh*t in an effort of trying to find and silence him before he had a chance to share his evidence. I mean - we'd see the LAPD ventilate two trucks with bullet holes - injuring innocent people.
2013-02-09 09:09:43 AM
1 votes:
I think until this is resolved, Obama should really go no where near Los Angeles at this time. The cops could mistake him for Dorner and the Secret Service detail as recruits.
2013-02-09 09:07:04 AM
1 votes:
MNguy He did kill civilians.

Oh, crap, right. The daughter of a cop and her fiancee or something? I forgot about that. Sorry.

You gotta admit, for all the warnings about how crazy and dangerous and armed and well-trained this guy is, his body count is low for a "killing spree".
2013-02-09 08:57:22 AM
1 votes:

Hermione_Granger: Then, if there's an iota of sense left, they'll clean house at the LAPD.


That would be a neat trick.
2013-02-09 08:54:02 AM
1 votes:
Yeah the general public better help find this guy or you might never see your morning paper again
2013-02-09 08:49:53 AM
1 votes:

generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?


FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.
2013-02-09 08:47:43 AM
1 votes:

Bontesla: I sincerely hope that Dorner is out of California by now. They're trying to execute him.


You missed the thread from yesterday. There are FARK posters who think that Dorner is completely innocent, and the murders are a frame job by the LAPD to discredit him because he came forward.

That said, this seems hillariously appropriate.

funnytshirts.savatoons.com
2013-02-09 07:25:05 AM
1 votes:

syrynxx: That guy's parting message makes it sound like LAPD are an Aryan Brotherhood front.


That's nonsense. The Aryan Brotherhood don't get paid nearly as well.
2013-02-09 01:12:07 AM
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well played, subby
 
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