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(San Gabriel Valley Tribune)   "Black men [in LA] should avoid even the most banal confrontations with the police...make sure you cooperate with the police; now is not the right time to wear a hoodie," this is not a repeat from every other moment in the history of LA   (sgvtribune.com) divider line 412
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2013-02-09 02:01:46 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Look at the number of holes in that truck; one of their problems is that as soon as one cop fires a shot, they all open up and continue firing until their ammo is gone, regardless of the actual situation. Too bad they aren't smart enough to make decisions for themselves.




"We deeply regret that this terrible tragedy has happened," said Safir, reading an official NYPD statement at City Hall. "But I must stress that it was understandable given the circumstances. There was no way those officers could have known for certain that Mr. Livingston was not heavily armed and about to kill them."

According to NYPD sources, at approximately 11:30 a.m. on the day in question, a detachment of 12 officers observed Livingston, a delivery driver for a Chinese restaurant, standing at the entrance to an apartment building "acting in a suspicious and aggressive manner." After ignoring the officers' repeated commands to put down the threatening item in his hand, a bag containing a double order of General Chao's Chicken and a pint of rice, Livingston reached for the doorbell. The officers responded by opening fire on his strategic top-of-the-stairs position from point-blank range, discharging their standard-issue 9mm handguns 245 times and striking him with approximately 175 teflon-coated hollow-point slugs.

Defiantly ignoring the officers' orders to freeze, Livingston dropped to the floor and convulsed wildly, kicking and thrashing and hurling blood in all directions.


NYPD Apologizes For Accidental Shooting-Clubbing-Stabbing-Firebombing Death
 
2013-02-09 02:03:12 PM  
just remember that thousands of innocent lives have been taken by out of control police
if there was no video, virtually none of them would result in any disciplinary actions or firings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas
 
2013-02-09 02:03:44 PM  

Repo Man: striking him with approximately 175 teflon-coated hollow-point slugs.


Why would you coat hollowpoints, which are designed to mushroom and spread their energy out, with teflon, which is designed to reduce the friction coefficient of Kevlar on FMJ rounds, allowing them to penetrate what they normally would not be able to?

Seems kinda self-defeating.

/Side argument.
 
2013-02-09 02:04:50 PM  

Repo Man: KarmicDisaster: Look at the number of holes in that truck; one of their problems is that as soon as one cop fires a shot, they all open up and continue firing until their ammo is gone, regardless of the actual situation. Too bad they aren't smart enough to make decisions for themselves.

"We deeply regret that this terrible tragedy has happened," said Safir, reading an official NYPD statement at City Hall. "But I must stress that it was understandable given the circumstances. There was no way those officers could have known for certain that Mr. Livingston was not heavily armed and about to kill them."

According to NYPD sources, at approximately 11:30 a.m. on the day in question, a detachment of 12 officers observed Livingston, a delivery driver for a Chinese restaurant, standing at the entrance to an apartment building "acting in a suspicious and aggressive manner." After ignoring the officers' repeated commands to put down the threatening item in his hand, a bag containing a double order of General Chao's Chicken and a pint of rice, Livingston reached for the doorbell. The officers responded by opening fire on his strategic top-of-the-stairs position from point-blank range, discharging their standard-issue 9mm handguns 245 times and striking him with approximately 175 teflon-coated hollow-point slugs.

Defiantly ignoring the officers' orders to freeze, Livingston dropped to the floor and convulsed wildly, kicking and thrashing and hurling blood in all directions.

NYPD Apologizes For Accidental Shooting-Clubbing-Stabbing-Firebombing Death


Are you suggesting that shooting a delivery driver 175 for not dropping his threatening bag of General Chao's Chicken was an overreaction?

Because if that's what you were suggesting then you'd be right.
 
2013-02-09 02:05:00 PM  

BronyMedic: it would immediately become


Citation needed.
 
2013-02-09 02:05:14 PM  

justtray: Citation needed.

Also stop lying. The truck shot didn't match the suspect vehicle. Not in make, model, or color.

You're such a bad troll and now you're backing away from your position yesterday that the cops were in the right. Own being wrong.


Amazing how you cop hating retards refuse to take 5 minutes to learn the basic facts about the case you're spending so much time biatching about.  Guess it's easier to call people a troll.

Guess what, you're the farking troll.
 
2013-02-09 02:07:39 PM  

omeganuepsilon: BronyMedic: it would immediately become

Citation needed.


You're right. It's just taking a really, really long time then. WHEN WILL THOSE SHEEPLE BRITS SEE THE TRUTH!
 
2013-02-09 02:09:29 PM  

Bontesla: Apparently Charlie Sheen wants Dorner to contact him.

You know you've reached a low point in your life when Charlie Sheen is offering to help you.


   possibly Charlie was also thinking Dorner might rob some drug dealers and is merely looking into buying in bulk..
 
2013-02-09 02:13:17 PM  
For those who may not know or remember, The Onion is satirizing the death of Amadou Diallo.

In the early morning of February 4, 1999, Diallo was standing near his building after returning from a meal. Police officers Edward McMellon, Sean Carroll, Kenneth Boss and Richard Murphy passed by in a Ford Taurus. Observing that Diallo matched the description of a since-captured well-armed serial rapist involved in the rape or attempted rape of 51 victims, they approached him.[3][4] The officers were in plain clothes.

The officers claimed they loudly identified themselves as NYPD officers and that Diallo ran up the outside steps toward his apartment house doorway at their approach, ignoring their orders to stop and "show his hands". The porch lightbulb was out and Diallo was backlit by the inside vestibule light, showing only a silhouette. Diallo then reached into his jacket and withdrew his wallet. Seeing the suspect holding a small square object, Carroll yelled "Gun!" to alert his colleagues. Believing Diallo had aimed a gun at them at close range, the officers opened fire on Diallo. During the shooting, lead officer McMellon tripped backward off the front stairs, causing the other officers to believe he had been shot. The four officers fired 41 shots, more than half of which went astray as Diallo was hit 19 times.[1]

The post-shooting investigation found no weapons on Diallo's body; the item he had pulled out of his jacket was not a gun, but a rectangular black wallet. The internal NYPD investigation ruled the officers had acted within policy, based on what a reasonable police officer would have done in the same circumstances with the information they had. The Diallo shooting led to a review of police training policy and the use of full metal jacket (FMJ) bullets. On March 25, 1999 a Bronx grand jury indicted the four officers on charges of second-degree murder and reckless endangerment. On December 16, an appellate court ordered a change of venue to Albany, New York, stating that pretrial publicity had made a fair trial in New York City impossible. On February 25, 2000, after two days of deliberation, a mixed-race jury in Albany acquitted the officers of all charges. Officer Kenneth Boss had been previously involved in an incident where an unarmed man was shot, but remained working as a police officer. A 22-year-old man, Patrick Bailey, died after Boss shot him on October 31, 1997.[5] As of 2012 Boss is the only remaining officer working for the NYPD.[6]
 
2013-02-09 02:15:43 PM  

BronyMedic: ZeroPly: Kill people who need killing.

The daughter of a cop who had nothing to do with Dorner or the LAPD, and a basketball coach/lawyer who was loosely connected to him needed killing?


Yes.

Main rule of asymmetric warfare is being asymmetric. This guy knows the SOP - for maximum disruption you don't go after the point man on the SWAT team, you go after the pogues in the HQ and their families.  It's hard being a racist, corrupt, sh*tbag when you're constantly worrying whether your actions are going to get your family killed. I don't see too many of the LAPD up on the TV acting all hero-like now that this guy's on the loose.

Half the people on the Internet are cheering this guy on. I think what's freaking out the LAPD more than this guy possibly being out there with a 50 cal, is that people are laughing at them and saying they had this coming.
 
2013-02-09 02:17:22 PM  

Ned Stark: racist ass LAPD shoots civillians: unfortunate incident that merits investigation.
Guy twisting racist ass LAPD's tail shoots civillians: TOTAL MONSTER, cause entirely discredited, any sympathetic feelings you might have also render you a monster.


Yes, because it is impossible to always think innocent people dying is a tragedy. Look how stupid you are.
 
2013-02-09 02:17:23 PM  

Arn_Dee: What the fark could they possibly be charged with?


Well, according to this article:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/cops-opened-fire-on-mot h er-daughter-during-dorner-manhunt.html

" But he did say that the gunfire occurred in two bursts: The first came from an officer positioned down the block from the LAPD official's residence, and the second when Carranza accelerated away from the gunfire and toward other officers."

They "accelerated ..toward... officers". Trying to run down cops? That's attempted murder.
 
2013-02-09 02:18:25 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: pyrotek85: NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....

You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?

/Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. He's farking bugshiat crazy, has killed innocent people, and will continue to do so unless stopped, and will probably force the police to gun him down like the rabid dog he is, which is what you do to rabid animals. You kill them, you kill them until they die from it.  I have 0 problems with this. He's not "innocent" at all, there is no doubt that he committed the crimes they said, and he said, he did.  He's crazy, and it would be better if they just invoked rule #.308 when they find his ass, which he will probably force them to do anyway, or kill himself like the coward he is.  Either way, as long as he's not sucking wind anymore, it's fine with me.


And now is the point in our thread where fat Aspies talk about how badass they are.
 
2013-02-09 02:21:28 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Amazing how you cop hating retards refuse to take 5 minutes to learn the basic facts about the case you're spending so much time biatching about.


... the "basic facts" that you made up?

Popcorn Johnny: The cops spot a vehicle that matches the initial description of the suspects vehicle.


Bzzt. Other than the fact that it was a pick-up, it doesn't match at all. Wrong make, wrong model,  wrong color.

The truck is heading into the neighborhood of one of the people named as a target in the manifesto.

Bzzt. They were already in the neighborhood, and the cops never saw them "heading in" as you imply. They only saw them once they were already there. You make it seem like the cops follow them in, which is simply false.

Truck then turns down the street, kills the headlights and slows down.

Bzzt. Truck was already on the street, had its headlights already off, and was moving slowly because one of them was throwing papers at each house.

Can't blame the cops for thinking they had the right vehicle.

Considering that the cops  shot the truck from behind, the truck had already passed the house they were guarding. At which point, they should have thought that maybe this wrong-color, wrong-model truck that was lobbing newspapers at every house was, I don't know, the newspaper delivery?

Don't berate others for not knowing the facts, when its clear that your only knowledge of them is what you pulled from your ass.
 
2013-02-09 02:22:31 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: The Fourth Amendment must go. It's an antiquated idea from a much simpler time.


Go fark yourself.  The 4th exists entirely to protect the rest of us from farkwads like you.
 
2013-02-09 02:22:41 PM  

Girion47: Popcorn Johnny: The situation that led to the two Asian ladies getting shot was kind of screwed up.  The cops spot a vehicle that matches the initial description of the suspects vehicle.  The truck is heading into the neighborhood of one of the people named as a target in the manifesto.  Truck then turns down the street, kills the headlights and slows down.  Can't blame the cops for thinking they had the right vehicle.

That said, the cops are still morons for opening fire.  They should have taken up defensive positions around the truck and ordered the occupants out.  They need to be fired, or at a minimum, reassigned to a desk job and never allowed to carry a gun again.

They need criminal charges brought against them, anything less is an insult to the worth of the humans that they assaulted in violation of the law.


You're missing the point entirely.  The point isn't that they're keeping civilians safe.  The point is that they're keeping cops safe.  A cops job is to keep other cops safe.  First and foremost.  It's a big part of their training. Civilian safety is rarely mentioned and only for laughs to keep cops loose during training.
 
2013-02-09 02:25:42 PM  
The cop hating club has taken over this thread, time for normal people to leave.
 
2013-02-09 02:27:41 PM  

jakomo002: dinch: I read his manifesto. He had some pretty salient points. Then he started talking about Tebow.

Same here. Some of the shockingly racist things that happen in the LAPD really surprised me. I thought they had cleaned that up, or at least tried.

I wasn't aware, for example, that one of the officers in the Rodney King tape (one swinging the baton) got a PROMOTION eventually, and now commands 200 LA police officers.

Or that if an LAPD officer calls a fellow officer a n*gger, he essentially gets a slap on the wrist.

But some of the other stuff seems, um, less than lucid.

Seems to me that Dorner is a Frankenstein monster that the US military trained, and the LAPD further corrupted, and now he's clearly lost his mind. Terrible blowback, but at least he's not out there massacring dozens of civilians.

I'm not saying that a civilians life is worth more than an LAPD cop, but the LAPD made this guy what he is, or at least seriously contributed to it.


I have a feeling mental illness made this guy what he is, and the LAPD just happened to train crazy. Not all mental illnesses come with warning signs, and that message of his was illogical, paranoid, and borderline conspiracy theorist--those are classic signs of schizophrenia. I mean so textbook they were  literally in my Psych textbook. And schizophrenia, along with similar disorders, have no warning signs before they manifest.

But that said, holy fark does the LAPD need serious reform, and it should  not have taken Senor Loco out there to bring it.
 
2013-02-09 02:28:21 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: The cop hating club has taken over this thread, time for normal people to leave.


Why do so many people hate cops?
 
2013-02-09 02:29:25 PM  

ReverendJasen: StoPPeRmobile: The Fourth Amendment must go. It's an antiquated idea from a much simpler time.

Go fark yourself.  The 4th exists entirely to protect the rest of us from farkwads like you.


Fairly certain that was sarcasm.
 
2013-02-09 02:30:15 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: The cop hating club has taken over this thread, time for normal people to leave.


i don't think people hate the police, they hate what they have become.
they serve and protect mostly themselves, at the peril of anyone else, apparently.
their refusal to police themselves is exactly what this is all about.
 
2013-02-09 02:31:21 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: justtray: Citation needed.

Also stop lying. The truck shot didn't match the suspect vehicle. Not in make, model, or color.

You're such a bad troll and now you're backing away from your position yesterday that the cops were in the right. Own being wrong.

Amazing how you cop hating retards refuse to take 5 minutes to learn the basic facts about the case you're spending so much time biatching about.  Guess it's easier to call people a troll.

Guess what, you're the farking troll.


And you're an idiot.

The truck was not a Nissan Titan, but a Toyota Tacoma. The color wasn't gray, but aqua blue. And it wasn't Dorner inside the truck, but Carranza and her mother delivering copies of the Los Angeles Times.
 
2013-02-09 02:31:46 PM  

The Southern Dandy: Why do so many people hate cops?


Because they wouldn't let them skateboard in the bank parking lot.
 
2013-02-09 02:32:45 PM  

The Southern Dandy: Popcorn Johnny: The cop hating club has taken over this thread, time for normal people to leave.

Why do so many people hate cops?


Here's why...Because cops have a huge problem within their ranks.  They claim that bad cops are an anomaly, but the reality is that it's more pervasive than they want to admit.  That's not the biggest problem.  Every organization has bad apples.  The big problem with law enforcement is the same issue that's at the core of this story.  When bad cops act bad, every other cop closes ranks and supports the bad cop.  When a good cop tries to correct the bad cop, the good cop is fired.  THAT'S why so many people hate cops.
 
2013-02-09 02:32:50 PM  

Rivetman1.0: orclover: Lottery?  These people are likely very farked.  You people know absolutely nothing about cops at all.  You just know what you see in the movies.  That scares the fark out of me btw.

You need to talk to your Doctor and get the medication increased.
You are incoherently rambling again.


I'm not crazy, I have been tested.  I'm just paying attention.
 
2013-02-09 02:35:22 PM  

ZeroPly: Half the people on the Internet are cheering this guy on. I think what's freaking out the LAPD more than this guy possibly being out there with a 50 cal, is that people are laughing at them and saying they had this coming.


That and this guys skillsets. Dorner is not just some dirtbag, he is ex LAPD. and an ex military officer.
Beck is going to be coming out pretty quick with the "more time with his family" line and Lame Duck Villaraigosa is pandering for a 1/2% tax increase for more cops. Talk about a leadership vacuum.
There is a lot of "Perfect Storm" to this whole surreal situation to include all those cops freezing their butts off looking for him in Big Bear.
Finally, LAPD does not pay OT, so everyone out  there looking for him that are members of the LAPD are working for comp time.
One might even consider that some people could be calling in false sightings. What a resource sucker that is.
 
2013-02-09 02:35:29 PM  

fredklein: And you're an idiot.


Yes because cops are now experts at identifying each particular make and model of pick up truck and it's easy to tell the difference between a grey and blue vehicle in the dark.

Go to hell, you immature piece of cop hating shiat.
 
2013-02-09 02:35:43 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: The Southern Dandy: Why do so many people hate cops?

Because they wouldn't let them skateboard in the bank parking lot.


Pull your head out Johnny.  If it were only punk skateboarders, it wouldn't be an issue.
 
2013-02-09 02:36:40 PM  

orclover: Rivetman1.0: orclover: Lottery?  These people are likely very farked.  You people know absolutely nothing about cops at all.  You just know what you see in the movies.  That scares the fark out of me btw.

You need to talk to your Doctor and get the medication increased.
You are incoherently rambling again.

I'm not crazy, I have been tested.  I'm just paying attention.

 
2013-02-09 02:37:37 PM  

The Southern Dandy: Pull your head out Johnny.  If it were only punk skateboarders, it wouldn't be an issue.


99% of the cop haters on the internet are punk kids, that's why their opinion doesn't matter.
 
2013-02-09 02:39:04 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: The Southern Dandy: Pull your head out Johnny.  If it were only punk skateboarders, it wouldn't be an issue.

99% of the cop haters on the internet are punk kids, that's why their opinion doesn't matter.


Hey! that's our future you're talking about.
 
2013-02-09 02:39:06 PM  

Popular Opinion: Popcorn Johnny: The cop hating club has taken over this thread, time for normal people to leave.

i don't think people hate the police, they hate what they have become.
they serve and protect mostly themselves, at the peril of anyone else, apparently.
their refusal to police themselves is exactly what this is all about.



hate them or not...You look out the window at your children playing in the yard and a disheveled Dorner is walking up your driveway with a pistol in his hand...I dont care what your politics are...Your first reaction is gonna be 911 as you prepare to defend your home and family...
 
2013-02-09 02:39:38 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: fredklein: And you're an idiot.

Yes because cops are now experts at identifying each particular make and model of pick up truck and it's easy to tell the difference between a grey and blue vehicle in the dark.
If they can't tell one type of vehicle from another, then maybe they shouldn't be cops. If they can't tell one COLOR from another, they definitely shouldn't be cops.

Go to hell, you immature piece of cop hating shiat./i>

And *I'm* immature? Hahahahaha

 
2013-02-09 02:40:02 PM  

wellreadneck: ReverendJasen: StoPPeRmobile: The Fourth Amendment must go. It's an antiquated idea from a much simpler time.

Go fark yourself.  The 4th exists entirely to protect the rest of us from farkwads like you.

Fairly certain that was sarcasm.


I believe it is too but honestly it's been hard to tell lately.
 
2013-02-09 02:40:48 PM  

fredklein: Popcorn Johnny: fredklein: And you're an idiot.

Yes because cops are now experts at identifying each particular make and model of pick up truck and it's easy to tell the difference between a grey and blue vehicle in the dark.


If they can't tell one type of vehicle from another, then maybe they shouldn't be cops. If they can't tell one COLOR from another, they definitely shouldn't be cops.

Go to hell, you immature piece of cop hating shiat.

And *I'm* immature? Hahahahaha

/I am a little fuddled when it comes to html, though.
 
2013-02-09 02:41:42 PM  

AcesFull: Popular Opinion: Popcorn Johnny: The cop hating club has taken over this thread, time for normal people to leave.

i don't think people hate the police, they hate what they have become.
they serve and protect mostly themselves, at the peril of anyone else, apparently.
their refusal to police themselves is exactly what this is all about.


hate them or not...You look out the window at your children playing in the yard and a disheveled Dorner is walking up your driveway with a pistol in his hand...I dont care what your politics are...Your first reaction is gonna be 911 as you prepare to defend your home and family...


I fear Dorner much less than the rest of the police. Dorner didn't shoot up that truck with the ladies....
 
2013-02-09 02:42:11 PM  

The Southern Dandy: Girion47: Popcorn Johnny: The situation that led to the two Asian ladies getting shot was kind of screwed up.  The cops spot a vehicle that matches the initial description of the suspects vehicle.  The truck is heading into the neighborhood of one of the people named as a target in the manifesto.  Truck then turns down the street, kills the headlights and slows down.  Can't blame the cops for thinking they had the right vehicle.

That said, the cops are still morons for opening fire.  They should have taken up defensive positions around the truck and ordered the occupants out.  They need to be fired, or at a minimum, reassigned to a desk job and never allowed to carry a gun again.

They need criminal charges brought against them, anything less is an insult to the worth of the humans that they assaulted in violation of the law.

You're missing the point entirely.  The point isn't that they're keeping civilians safe.  The point is that they're keeping cops safe.  A cops job is to keep other cops safe.  First and foremost.  It's a big part of their training. Civilian safety is rarely mentioned and only for laughs to keep cops loose during training.


Fun Fact:  Cops are civilians.
 
2013-02-09 02:44:06 PM  

AcesFull: Popular Opinion: Popcorn Johnny: The cop hating club has taken over this thread, time for normal people to leave.

i don't think people hate the police, they hate what they have become.
they serve and protect mostly themselves, at the peril of anyone else, apparently.
their refusal to police themselves is exactly what this is all about.


hate them or not...You look out the window at your children playing in the yard and a disheveled Dorner is walking up your driveway with a pistol in his hand...I dont care what your politics are...Your first reaction is gonna be 911 as you prepare to defend your home and family...


Un, I'm not a cop, not related to one (thank god), so I have nothing to fear from Dorner.

On the other hand, the cops seem to be shooting innocent people....
 
2013-02-09 02:44:22 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: 99% of the cop haters on the internet are punk kids, that's why their opinion doesn't matter.


OK and could we please see a citation for that?
99% of the entire internet.
That should be easy to validate, eh Johnny?
 
2013-02-09 02:45:26 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: fredklein: And you're an idiot.

Yes because cops are now experts at identifying each particular make and model of pick up truck and it's easy to tell the difference between a grey and blue vehicle in the dark.

Go to hell, you immature piece of cop hating shiat.


That's right, cops aren't issued mag-lights or have these spotlight things mounted on their windshields.  The cops acted inappropriately, they did not approach the vehicle following the SOP.  Just because someone is armed the SOP doesn't fly out the window, any one that's ever taken firearm safety can tell you that identifying your target prior to shooting is the single most important aspect of firing a weapon.
 
2013-02-09 02:47:40 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: The Southern Dandy: Pull your head out Johnny.  If it were only punk skateboarders, it wouldn't be an issue.

99% of the cop haters on the internet are punk kids, that's why their opinion doesn't matter.


Keep telling yourself that, idiot.
 
2013-02-09 02:48:43 PM  
My guess is they'll find his dead body, do an autopsy, and find out he actually died a year ago to this day.
 
2013-02-09 02:49:08 PM  
i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-09 02:51:11 PM  

wellreadneck: Fairly certain that was sarcasm.


Well goddamnit.  Ever since Poe's Law became law of the land, my meter's been completely broken.  It's become nearly impossible to tell good sarcasm and satire from honest-to-retardedness derp now.  I'll offer a conditional apology to StoPPeRmobile, so long as they were really snarking and not derping.

Popcorn Johnny: Yes because cops are now experts at identifying each particular make and model of pick up truck and it's easy to tell the difference between a grey and blue vehicle in the dark.


I sure as fark can.  And you best believe I'd have triple verified it before I pulled a gun out, let alone started shooting it.  These morons don't deserve to have a badge, let alone own firearms.
 
2013-02-09 02:53:40 PM  
Girion47: 

You're missing the point entirely.  The point isn't that they're keeping civilians safe.  The point is that they're keeping cops safe.  A cops job is to keep other cops safe.  First and foremost.  It's a big part of their training. Civilian safety is rarely mentioned and only for laughs to keep cops loose during training.

Fun Fact:  Cops are civilians.


Not according to them.

There are two kinds of people in the world of Cops. Cops, and scumbags. If you aren't a cop, you're a scumbag.
A "civilian" is just a scumbag that hasn't gotten caught yet.
 
2013-02-09 02:54:05 PM  

fredklein: Un, I'm not a cop, not related to one (thank god), so I have nothing to fear from Dorner.

On the other hand, the cops seem to be shooting innocent people....


4 so far.  Two are unreported, at least 1 dead.  This btw isnt new, this is just a day ending in the letter Y.  Dorner meanwhile has publicly stated what his targets are, and none of us are on that list in any way shape or form.

But none of this  matters, nothing ever changes.  Dorner would need a nuke to make a dent in the corruption in just one city.   You might as well pray for that astroid to land directly on L.A. as expect anything good or even an investigation to come out of any of this.
 
2013-02-09 02:56:31 PM  

orclover: fredklein: Un, I'm not a cop, not related to one (thank god), so I have nothing to fear from Dorner.

On the other hand, the cops seem to be shooting innocent people....

4 so far.  Two are unreported, at least 1 dead.  This btw isnt new, this is just a day ending in the letter Y.  Dorner meanwhile has publicly stated what his targets are, and none of us are on that list in any way shape or form.

But none of this  matters, nothing ever changes.  Dorner would need a nuke to make a dent in the corruption in just one city.   You might as well pray for that astroid to land directly on L.A. as expect anything good or even an investigation to come out of any of this.


Snake Plisken didn't need a nuke.
 
2013-02-09 03:01:32 PM  

AcesFull: Popular Opinion: Popcorn Johnny: The cop hating club has taken over this thread, time for normal people to leave.

i don't think people hate the police, they hate what they have become.
they serve and protect mostly themselves, at the peril of anyone else, apparently.
their refusal to police themselves is exactly what this is all about.


hate them or not...You look out the window at your children playing in the yard and a disheveled Dorner is walking up your driveway with a pistol in his hand...I dont care what your politics are...Your first reaction is gonna be 911 as you prepare to defend your home and family...


Unless you were on the force or had a link to the force, I don't think there is much cause to panic. I would be more scared of the police mistaking my identity and shooting me. Dorner just has to cause massive disruptions and let chaos do the work for him. So far, he is doing a pretty good job. All that is left to do is become a hero figure, particularly amongst the cop hating crowd (which you can see is a pretty large percentage) and push that percentage that will take action, bam he has his own personal little army. With that kind of disruption, it will make everyone's job a WHOLE lot more difficult as they are not just looking for 1 man and trying to defend key people, but they have to fear the ensuing chaos. What happens when the tension grows and riots start breaking out when the LAPD ends up potentially killing someone? I am sure there are quite a few large black males that under the cloak of night could be mistakenly shot.

The general public I would wager isn't afraid of Dorner, but what will happen as a result. Particularly violence by the LAPD and chaos that is soon to come. Being as calm and tactical is possible is the best thing the LAPD can do at this point.
 
2013-02-09 03:03:27 PM  

Rivetman1.0: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Reckless driving, driving with headlamps out, not immediately stopping for an officer, etc etc etc
Dream on. Also, when exactly were they asked to stop?
Answer: They were not asked to stop unless you count 7 LAPD Detectives unloading there weapons on your vehicle from behind as such.


That's what YOU say.  Were you there?  Those 7 brave detectives were, and I'd guess they'll all be willing to stand up in the same court in front of the same judge they've stood in front of so many many times before, and swear to exactly what did happen.  And they'll all swear to the exact same sequence of events, and it will be clear to anyone who listens that they had legitimate fear for their lives when those women continued driving toward them, and forced them to leap to the side and fire their weapons in order to protect innocent civilians.
 
2013-02-09 03:05:53 PM  

pyrotek85: NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....

You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?


I'd be OK with it.
 
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