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2013-02-09 12:39:11 PM
Mind you, the police have a hard choice to make right now. They have to search for specifically a black male whilst at the same time not exclusively stopping black males to find him and minimizing the cost of the operation.

Choice one, stop an equal number of black or white, males or females to see if they are the black male they seek. A course of action that would leave them open to claims that they are wasting police funds

Choice two, only stop black males to see if they are the black male they seek. A course of action that would lead them open to claims of racial profiling and racism in general and claims of harassment.

tough.
 
2013-02-09 12:40:20 PM
The LAPD. Yikes. Reminds me of the corrupt cops in the "Illuminatus" trilogy...but real.
 
2013-02-09 12:40:24 PM

LordJiro: Dorner should find some TV studio, some local news station, and offer an interview. The station can't resist ratings like that, and, especially if the LAPD shuts it down and/or shoots the guy, it will only make the LAPD look worse, to the point that the Feds will have almost no choice but to take some major action.


again this is not made for TV specials. How the hell is to to call for an interview w/o getting himself trap,  ambushed and killed? I seriouly doubt any reporter/journalist etc would not be picking up the phone and calling 911 the moment they hear his voice.
Even the tapes he set Anderson Cooper etc was never aired or maybe even looked at by a select few before given to the FBI or police the moment the mailman delivered them.
 
2013-02-09 12:41:57 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: He's had 3-4 years to get ready for this. Safe house(s)? Check. Lots of weapons, including military ordnance? Check. Really good fake IDs? Check. List of supporters/enablers in the Black (and possibly other) community? Check.


I wouldn't expect that he's been planning this for four years. Something more recent likely triggered it; whether discharge from the Naval Reserves, maybe final appeals ruling against him or something similar. It is likely he's only been working on this for a couple months.

Eventually, he's out of cash and being on the lam would necessitate cash transactions. Having been a cop, though, means he knows where the drug dealers are and how to identify them. He could start knocking them over for more cash, knowing they're not likely to call the cops.
 
2013-02-09 12:45:53 PM

Warlordtrooper: BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.

As opposes to the LAPD who is gunning down innocent civilians in their trucks

I'm actually concerned about the lack of outrage a lot of people seem to have for the fact that the LAPD is GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS in cars.




It's a tradition.
www.historyguy.com
 
2013-02-09 12:47:21 PM

dready zim: Mind you, the police have a hard choice to make right now. They have to search for specifically a black male whilst at the same time not exclusively stopping black males to find him and minimizing the cost of the operation.

Choice one, stop an equal number of black or white, males or females to see if they are the black male they seek. A course of action that would leave them open to claims that they are wasting police funds

Choice two, only stop black males to see if they are the black male they seek. A course of action that would lead them open to claims of racial profiling and racism in general and claims of harassment.

tough.




Nah, I already said it upthread.

The Fourth Amendment must go. It's an antiquated idea from a much simpler time.
 
2013-02-09 12:48:23 PM

Captain Steroid: Warlordtrooper: BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.

As opposes to the LAPD who is gunning down innocent civilians in their trucks

I'm actually concerned about the lack of outrage a lot of people seem to have for the fact that the LAPD is GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS in cars.

For you, the day the LAPD shot up a truck full of elderly women was the most important day of your life.

But for them, it was Tuesday.


See you have to take people, by force really.  You grab them by the neck and shove their face right in it and scream in their ear "See this? This is whats happening while you jerk off in your coffee shops and play angry birds, Do you see it now?".  But even if you do that, your wasting your time because unless its happening directly happening to them they quickly forget about it.  Apathy is a wondrous survival mechanism.
 
2013-02-09 12:53:06 PM

SuperNinjaToad: LordJiro: Dorner should find some TV studio, some local news station, and offer an interview. The station can't resist ratings like that, and, especially if the LAPD shuts it down and/or shoots the guy, it will only make the LAPD look worse, to the point that the Feds will have almost no choice but to take some major action.

again this is not made for TV specials. How the hell is to to call for an interview w/o getting himself trap,  ambushed and killed? I seriouly doubt any reporter/journalist etc would not be picking up the phone and calling 911 the moment they hear his voice.
Even the tapes he set Anderson Cooper etc was never aired or maybe even looked at by a select few before given to the FBI or police the moment the mailman delivered them.


I don't know. I'm sure Anderson Cooper handed over the package - but I would bet good money on them making a copy beforehand. From what I've heard - the dvd he was sent contains an account about the mentally disabled man who was kicked by officer.

I would be surprised if Anderson Cooper was the only person to receive a package. I'm sure there's a team of three journalist trying to review and verify something they received at another network. Dorner likely sent something to all of the national networks in hopes to get his story out.

If I were the LAPD - I would run a fake "evidence DVD" on any network that would let me. It would be something ridiculous and would result in discrediting Dorner. Maybe something about alien invasions to replace the president. If Dorner is listening - he might try to refutre/deny that the dvd was his. It would be a perfect opportunity to set a trap. "Smoke him out" as it were.
 
2013-02-09 12:56:28 PM

orclover: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Heard their lawyer on KFI the other day. The 78 year old grandmother was shot twice in the back. She's in "stable" condition in the hospital. Her 45 year old daughter was cut on the hand by a piece of "something" (bullet fragment, car metal, no one is sure) and is in good condition.

Mother and daughter are undoubtedly spending the convalescence time looking at Hawaiian vacation brochures and new home plans. They've basically won the lottery.

I wish this was true but you unfortunately know nothing of modern civil liability when it comes to Los Angeles police forces.  The days of Rodney King level of payouts are long long gone my friend.  If they are lucky they will get a bit more than just their medical bills paid off and the repairs to their car.  They ARE lucky that the incident was well publicized, because now they likely wont be going to prison.  Not kidding.   Charges will likely still be pressed against them in order to intimidate them into not pressing civil liability too hard.

Lottery?  These people are likely very farked.  You people know absolutely nothing about cops at all.  You just know what you see in the movies.  That scares the fark out of me btw.


What the fark could they possibly be charged with?
 
2013-02-09 12:59:02 PM
www.hollywoodreporter.com

What a stupid Dorner-on-the-run might look like.

videogum.com

What a clever Dorner-on-the-run might look like.



This is not the time to wear a hoodie be black in California.
 
2013-02-09 01:00:56 PM

orclover: Lottery?  These people are likely very farked.  You people know absolutely nothing about cops at all.  You just know what you see in the movies.  That scares the fark out of me btw.


You need to talk to your Doctor and get the medication increased.
You are incoherently rambling again.
 
2013-02-09 01:02:13 PM
Bontesla:

If I were the LAPD - I would run a fake "evidence DVD" on any network that would let me. It would be something ridiculous and would result in discrediting Dorner. Maybe something about alien invasions to replace the president. If Dorner is listening - he might try to refutre/deny that the dvd was his. It would be a perfect opportunity to set a trap. "Smoke him out" as it were.

I agree.  What you've just laid out is Dorner's kryptonite.
It would be a damn shame, too, because all it would do
is get Dorner killed and let the LAPD get away with murder,
attempted murder, property damage, intimidation and defamation -- again.
 
2013-02-09 01:03:05 PM

Arn_Dee: orclover: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Heard their lawyer on KFI the other day. The 78 year old grandmother was shot twice in the back. She's in "stable" condition in the hospital. Her 45 year old daughter was cut on the hand by a piece of "something" (bullet fragment, car metal, no one is sure) and is in good condition.

Mother and daughter are undoubtedly spending the convalescence time looking at Hawaiian vacation brochures and new home plans. They've basically won the lottery.

I wish this was true but you unfortunately know nothing of modern civil liability when it comes to Los Angeles police forces.  The days of Rodney King level of payouts are long long gone my friend.  If they are lucky they will get a bit more than just their medical bills paid off and the repairs to their car.  They ARE lucky that the incident was well publicized, because now they likely wont be going to prison.  Not kidding.   Charges will likely still be pressed against them in order to intimidate them into not pressing civil liability too hard.

Lottery?  These people are likely very farked.  You people know absolutely nothing about cops at all.  You just know what you see in the movies.  That scares the fark out of me btw.

What the fark could they possibly be charged with?


Reckless driving, driving with headlamps out, not immediately stopping for an officer, etc etc etc
 
2013-02-09 01:03:20 PM

jakomo002: MNguy He did kill civilians.

Oh, crap, right. The daughter of a cop and her fiancee or something? I forgot about that. Sorry.

You gotta admit, for all the warnings about how crazy and dangerous and armed and well-trained this guy is, his body count is low for a "killing spree".


Dude, he's lying low for a while, I guarantee you. He's had years to plan this. I'm sure he had a safe house or a safe spot planned for quite some time. It's why he never returned home after the first killings. I wouldn't be surprised if he just camps out for another day or two before making another move. I think he said in his manifesto it would be a war of attrition.
 
2013-02-09 01:06:32 PM
Dorner is the hero we deserve; the darkest knight if you will.
 
2013-02-09 01:07:50 PM

peasants_are_revolting: jakomo002: MNguy He did kill civilians.

Oh, crap, right. The daughter of a cop and her fiancee or something? I forgot about that. Sorry.

You gotta admit, for all the warnings about how crazy and dangerous and armed and well-trained this guy is, his body count is low for a "killing spree".

Dude, he's lying low for a while, I guarantee you. He's had years to plan this. I'm sure he had a safe house or a safe spot planned for quite some time. It's why he never returned home after the first killings. I wouldn't be surprised if he just camps out for another day or two before making another move. I think he said in his manifesto it would be a war of attrition.


He's a smart man. He has a plan and he's going to execute it. I wouldn't be suprised, based on the way he's acted, that he hasn't buried caches all over that mountain of supplies for him to live on, and even firearms buried for him to use if he needs them. It wouldn't be hard for him to know where to look to buy one that's untraceable or under the table as a throw-away..
 
2013-02-09 01:09:09 PM
i45.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-09 01:10:08 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Bontesla:

If I were the LAPD - I would run a fake "evidence DVD" on any network that would let me. It would be something ridiculous and would result in discrediting Dorner. Maybe something about alien invasions to replace the president. If Dorner is listening - he might try to refutre/deny that the dvd was his. It would be a perfect opportunity to set a trap. "Smoke him out" as it were.

I agree.  What you've just laid out is Dorner's kryptonite.
It would be a damn shame, too, because all it would do
is get Dorner killed and let the LAPD get away with murder,
attempted murder, property damage, intimidation and defamation -- again.


Agreed.

The LAPD should be no where near this investigation. It's like allowing members of a gang to find their snitch.
 
2013-02-09 01:11:07 PM

Bontesla: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Bontesla:

If I were the LAPD - I would run a fake "evidence DVD" on any network that would let me. It would be something ridiculous and would result in discrediting Dorner. Maybe something about alien invasions to replace the president. If Dorner is listening - he might try to refutre/deny that the dvd was his. It would be a perfect opportunity to set a trap. "Smoke him out" as it were.

I agree.  What you've just laid out is Dorner's kryptonite.
It would be a damn shame, too, because all it would do
is get Dorner killed and let the LAPD get away with murder,
attempted murder, property damage, intimidation and defamation -- again.

Agreed.

The LAPD should be no where near this investigation. It's like allowing members of a gang to find their snitch.


Completely agree with you. And I also agree the LAPD will never clean itsself up. It's going to take federal legislation and involvement to do it.

Amazing how the LAPD can be brought up to disprove State's rights arguments, isn't it?
 
2013-02-09 01:11:28 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Reckless driving, driving with headlamps out, not immediately stopping for an officer, etc etc etc

Dream on. Also, when exactly were they asked to stop?
Answer: They were not asked to stop unless you count 7 LAPD Detectives unloading there weapons on your vehicle from behind as such.
 
2013-02-09 01:12:11 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Arn_Dee: What the fark could they possibly be charged with?

Reckless driving, driving with headlamps out, not immediately stopping for an officer, etc etc etc


The ones they shot out themselves no doubt.
 
2013-02-09 01:14:05 PM

SuperNinjaToad: LordJiro: Dorner should find some TV studio, some local news station, and offer an interview. The station can't resist ratings like that, and, especially if the LAPD shuts it down and/or shoots the guy, it will only make the LAPD look worse, to the point that the Feds will have almost no choice but to take some major action.

again this is not made for TV specials. How the hell is to to call for an interview w/o getting himself trap,  ambushed and killed? I seriouly doubt any reporter/journalist etc would not be picking up the phone and calling 911 the moment they hear his voice.
Even the tapes he set Anderson Cooper etc was never aired or maybe even looked at by a select few before given to the FBI or police the moment the mailman delivered them.



Actually the mailman delivered the "tapes" (DVD) Dorner sent to Cooper on Feb 1, but CNN (predictably) ignored them until after the manhunt was well underway, and didn't "discover" them until Thursday.

Had Dorner not gone on his rampage, they likely would have NEVER been looked at, but simply tossed in the dumpster like all the other "crap" that is no doubt sent to such news organizations by kooks, weirdos and "conspiracy theorists" on a daily basis.
 
2013-02-09 01:15:34 PM

Rivetman1.0: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Reckless driving, driving with headlamps out, not immediately stopping for an officer, etc etc etc
Dream on. Also, when exactly were they asked to stop?
Answer: They were not asked to stop unless you count 7 LAPD Detectives unloading there weapons on your vehicle from behind as such.


I think what they're saying isn't that the charges would stick, but could be used to threaten and intimidate. Wouldn't surprise me at this point.
 
2013-02-09 01:17:38 PM

Arn_Dee: orclover: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Heard their lawyer on KFI the other day. The 78 year old grandmother was shot twice in the back. She's in "stable" condition in the hospital. Her 45 year old daughter was cut on the hand by a piece of "something" (bullet fragment, car metal, no one is sure) and is in good condition.

Mother and daughter are undoubtedly spending the convalescence time looking at Hawaiian vacation brochures and new home plans. They've basically won the lottery.

I wish this was true but you unfortunately know nothing of modern civil liability when it comes to Los Angeles police forces.  The days of Rodney King level of payouts are long long gone my friend.  If they are lucky they will get a bit more than just their medical bills paid off and the repairs to their car.  They ARE lucky that the incident was well publicized, because now they likely wont be going to prison.  Not kidding.   Charges will likely still be pressed against them in order to intimidate them into not pressing civil liability too hard.

Lottery?  These people are likely very farked.  You people know absolutely nothing about cops at all.  You just know what you see in the movies.  That scares the fark out of me btw.

What the fark could they possibly be charged with?




They may have questionable immigration status. It certainly shouldn't be used against them, but I could easily imagine it could be if that's the case. Huge numbers of ordinary citizens have something that can be dredged up if the law enforcement microscope is focused on them.
 
2013-02-09 01:17:59 PM

RDixon: BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.

Why do you think he is a hero?


Whoever taught you to read should be punched in the crotch.
 
2013-02-09 01:19:50 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Arn_Dee: orclover: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Heard their lawyer on KFI the other day. The 78 year old grandmother was shot twice in the back. She's in "stable" condition in the hospital. Her 45 year old daughter was cut on the hand by a piece of "something" (bullet fragment, car metal, no one is sure) and is in good condition.

Mother and daughter are undoubtedly spending the convalescence time looking at Hawaiian vacation brochures and new home plans. They've basically won the lottery.

I wish this was true but you unfortunately know nothing of modern civil liability when it comes to Los Angeles police forces.  The days of Rodney King level of payouts are long long gone my friend.  If they are lucky they will get a bit more than just their medical bills paid off and the repairs to their car.  They ARE lucky that the incident was well publicized, because now they likely wont be going to prison.  Not kidding.   Charges will likely still be pressed against them in order to intimidate them into not pressing civil liability too hard.

Lottery?  These people are likely very farked.  You people know absolutely nothing about cops at all.  You just know what you see in the movies.  That scares the fark out of me btw.

What the fark could they possibly be charged with?

Reckless driving, driving with headlamps out, not immediately stopping for an officer, etc etc etc


Understandable actions, when you're being summarily shot at.
 
2013-02-09 01:20:48 PM

Repo Man: Arn_Dee: orclover: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Heard their lawyer on KFI the other day. The 78 year old grandmother was shot twice in the back. She's in "stable" condition in the hospital. Her 45 year old daughter was cut on the hand by a piece of "something" (bullet fragment, car metal, no one is sure) and is in good condition.

Mother and daughter are undoubtedly spending the convalescence time looking at Hawaiian vacation brochures and new home plans. They've basically won the lottery.

I wish this was true but you unfortunately know nothing of modern civil liability when it comes to Los Angeles police forces.  The days of Rodney King level of payouts are long long gone my friend.  If they are lucky they will get a bit more than just their medical bills paid off and the repairs to their car.  They ARE lucky that the incident was well publicized, because now they likely wont be going to prison.  Not kidding.   Charges will likely still be pressed against them in order to intimidate them into not pressing civil liability too hard.

Lottery?  These people are likely very farked.  You people know absolutely nothing about cops at all.  You just know what you see in the movies.  That scares the fark out of me btw.

What the fark could they possibly be charged with?

They may have questionable immigration status. It certainly shouldn't be used against them, but I could easily imagine it could be if that's the case. Huge numbers of ordinary citizens have something that can be dredged up if the law enforcement microscope is foc ...


I need an adult.
 
2013-02-09 01:25:53 PM

Arn_Dee: orclover: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Heard their lawyer on KFI the other day. The 78 year old grandmother was shot twice in the back. She's in "stable" condition in the hospital. Her 45 year old daughter was cut on the hand by a piece of "something" (bullet fragment, car metal, no one is sure) and is in good condition.

Mother and daughter are undoubtedly spending the convalescence time looking at Hawaiian vacation brochures and new home plans. They've basically won the lottery.

I wish this was true but you unfortunately know nothing of modern civil liability when it comes to Los Angeles police forces.  The days of Rodney King level of payouts are long long gone my friend.  If they are lucky they will get a bit more than just their medical bills paid off and the repairs to their car.  They ARE lucky that the incident was well publicized, because now they likely wont be going to prison.  Not kidding.   Charges will likely still be pressed against them in order to intimidate them into not pressing civil liability too hard.

Lottery?  These people are likely very farked.  You people know absolutely nothing about cops at all.  You just know what you see in the movies.  That scares the fark out of me btw.

What the fark could they possibly be charged with?


Littering, they where tossing paper all over the farking city!
 
2013-02-09 01:26:50 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Last item I read about this case concerned the LAPD's attempted murder of a couple of white(?) women. Have they decided to narrow their focus?


Actually they were hispanic, which the neo-fascist police state deems "unavoidable collateral damage", not unlike so many blown up afgans sitting in their mud huts, trying to mind their own business.
 
2013-02-09 01:28:17 PM

StrangeQ: BronyMedic: The question that anyone, even pro-Law Enforcement, should be asking is "Why the fark did you think it was acceptable to open up on a vehicle without even identifying a threat?" The actions of that officer involved are inexcusable, and reek of panic and anger.

The police have gotten to the point where they are above criticism.  You never see truly investigative reports on the police or their actions.  In a way, they have succeeded in their goal of making the general population fear them to the point that they no longer raise criticisms due to fear of retaliation.


Exactly. Most of the time when there's any sort of investigation it's only to appease the public and make it look as if they're going to do anything about an officers actions that are in question. The most a cop will get is time off with pay, which is not punishment of any sort but a paid vacation. Why wouldn't a cop treat everyone they encounter like shiat when this is the most they get?
 
2013-02-09 01:29:13 PM

BronyMedic: Bontesla: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Bontesla:

If I were the LAPD - I would run a fake "evidence DVD" on any network that would let me. It would be something ridiculous and would result in discrediting Dorner. Maybe something about alien invasions to replace the president. If Dorner is listening - he might try to refutre/deny that the dvd was his. It would be a perfect opportunity to set a trap. "Smoke him out" as it were.

I agree.  What you've just laid out is Dorner's kryptonite.
It would be a damn shame, too, because all it would do
is get Dorner killed and let the LAPD get away with murder,
attempted murder, property damage, intimidation and defamation -- again.

Agreed.

The LAPD should be no where near this investigation. It's like allowing members of a gang to find their snitch.

Completely agree with you. And I also agree the LAPD will never clean itsself up. It's going to take federal legislation and involvement to do it.

Amazing how the LAPD can be brought up to disprove State's rights arguments, isn't it?


You said I was acting like a Aurora/Newton denier and then insulted me.

We aren't having a discussion.
 
2013-02-09 01:29:19 PM

Arn_Dee: What the fark could they possibly be charged with?


The police are shooting random civilians and getting away with it; they'll come up with something if they feel it would benefit them and it would be their word against that of the victims.
 
2013-02-09 01:29:20 PM
 
2013-02-09 01:30:14 PM

Amos Quito: SuperNinjaToad: LordJiro: Dorner should find some TV studio, some local news station, and offer an interview. The station can't resist ratings like that, and, especially if the LAPD shuts it down and/or shoots the guy, it will only make the LAPD look worse, to the point that the Feds will have almost no choice but to take some major action.

again this is not made for TV specials. How the hell is to to call for an interview w/o getting himself trap,  ambushed and killed? I seriouly doubt any reporter/journalist etc would not be picking up the phone and calling 911 the moment they hear his voice.
Even the tapes he set Anderson Cooper etc was never aired or maybe even looked at by a select few before given to the FBI or police the moment the mailman delivered them.


Actually the mailman delivered the "tapes" (DVD) Dorner sent to Cooper on Feb 1, but CNN (predictably) ignored them until after the manhunt was well underway, and didn't "discover" them until Thursday.

Had Dorner not gone on his rampage, they likely would have NEVER been looked at, but simply tossed in the dumpster like all the other "crap" that is no doubt sent to such news organizations by kooks, weirdos and "conspiracy theorists" on a daily basis.


Which is why I think there are more tapes out there.
 
2013-02-09 01:32:46 PM
This was the worst of them. This guy flat out lies about what he said once he realizes the game is up. See the cop lie.
 
2013-02-09 01:34:17 PM
 
2013-02-09 01:34:47 PM

StoPPeRmobile: dready zim: Mind you, the police have a hard choice to make right now. They have to search for specifically a black male whilst at the same time not exclusively stopping black males to find him and minimizing the cost of the operation.

Choice one, stop an equal number of black or white, males or females to see if they are the black male they seek. A course of action that would leave them open to claims that they are wasting police funds

Choice two, only stop black males to see if they are the black male they seek. A course of action that would lead them open to claims of racial profiling and racism in general and claims of harassment.

tough.

Nah, I already said it upthread.

The Fourth Amendment must go. It's an antiquated idea from a much simpler time.


If I was standing behind those cops, while they were shooting up that truck with two innocent women inside (say it was my mom and sister), the 4th would have theoretically allowed me to own and use a gun in protection of innocent lives being threatened by out of control government agencies overstepping their rights and responsibilities at the peril of the entire public.

we need the right to be able to protect ourselves from criminals, civilian or otherwise.
 
2013-02-09 01:35:09 PM

BronyMedic: Bontesla: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Bontesla:

If I were the LAPD - I would run a fake "evidence DVD" on any network that would let me. It would be something ridiculous and would result in discrediting Dorner. Maybe something about alien invasions to replace the president. If Dorner is listening - he might try to refutre/deny that the dvd was his. It would be a perfect opportunity to set a trap. "Smoke him out" as it were.

I agree.  What you've just laid out is Dorner's kryptonite.
It would be a damn shame, too, because all it would do
is get Dorner killed and let the LAPD get away with murder,
attempted murder, property damage, intimidation and defamation -- again.

Agreed.

The LAPD should be no where near this investigation. It's like allowing members of a gang to find their snitch.

Completely agree with you. And I also agree the LAPD will never clean itsself up. It's going to take federal legislation and involvement to do it.

Amazing how the LAPD can be brought up to disprove State's rights arguments, isn't it?



{{{ SHUDDER }}}

You want to reign in a massive, corrupt local organization like the LAPD by granting unlimited powers to create a MUCH larger (nationwide) organization that will inevitably become even MORE corrupt and abusive?

Who will be left to "watch the watchers", BronyMedic?

It's the nature of power. Think it through, dude.

You're proposed "cure" is far, FAR worse than the "disease".
 
2013-02-09 01:35:12 PM
The situation that led to the two Asian ladies getting shot was kind of screwed up.  The cops spot a vehicle that matches the initial description of the suspects vehicle.  The truck is heading into the neighborhood of one of the people named as a target in the manifesto.  Truck then turns down the street, kills the headlights and slows down.  Can't blame the cops for thinking they had the right vehicle.

That said, the cops are still morons for opening fire.  They should have taken up defensive positions around the truck and ordered the occupants out.  They need to be fired, or at a minimum, reassigned to a desk job and never allowed to carry a gun again.
 
2013-02-09 01:42:57 PM

Repo Man: What happens when you go to the police station, and ask for a complaint form.


Informative investigave report from KCAL-9.
And nothing was done long term with the rogue police/sheriff stations
in spite of the media investigating and testing
with the assistance of a National Watchdog?
 
2013-02-09 01:44:03 PM
Look at the number of holes in that truck; one of their problems is that as soon as one cop fires a shot, they all open up and continue firing until their ammo is gone, regardless of the actual situation. Too bad they aren't smart enough to make decisions for themselves.
 
2013-02-09 01:46:26 PM

KarmicDisaster: Look at the number of holes in that truck; one of their problems is that as soon as one cop fires a shot, they all open up and continue firing until their ammo is gone, regardless of the actual situation. Too bad they aren't smart enough to make decisions for themselves.



If they were, they wouldn't likely be members of the LAPD Gang, would they?
 
2013-02-09 01:46:47 PM

Amos Quito: You want to reign in a massive, corrupt local organization like the LAPD by granting unlimited powers to create a MUCH larger (nationwide) organization that will inevitably become even MORE corrupt and abusive?

Who will be left to "watch the watchers", BronyMedic?

It's the nature of power. Think it through, dude.

You're proposed "cure" is far, FAR worse than the "disease".


Really? Because it works great for those evil socialist commies over in Europe.
Works great for those evil slant eyed imperialists monsters stealing American Jobs in Japan too!

Bontesla: You said I was acting like a Aurora/Newton denier and then insulted me.

We aren't having a discussion.


If you don't want to be accused of acting like one, don't put forth statements that can be seen as conspiracy theories, with no proof none-the-less, and then act incredulous when the conclusion is drawn.

I'll apologize to you for seeing you as saying that if that's not what your intention was.
 
2013-02-09 01:47:00 PM
what's most funny is that at the Rampart office, the cop said here take two.  and for the rogue stations, the excuse was that the cops didn't usually have complaints so they were unfamiliar with the form (sure, whatever).
 
2013-02-09 01:50:11 PM

BronyMedic: Amos Quito: You want to reign in a massive, corrupt local organization like the LAPD by granting unlimited powers to create a MUCH larger (nationwide) organization that will inevitably become even MORE corrupt and abusive?

Who will be left to "watch the watchers", BronyMedic?

It's the nature of power. Think it through, dude.

You're proposed "cure" is far, FAR worse than the "disease".

Really? Because it works great for those evil socialist commies over in Europe.
Works great for those evil slant eyed imperialists monsters stealing American Jobs in Japan too!

Bontesla: You said I was acting like a Aurora/Newton denier and then insulted me.

We aren't having a discussion.

If you don't want to be accused of acting like one, don't put forth statements that can be seen as conspiracy theories, with no proof none-the-less, and then act incredulous when the conclusion is drawn.

I'll apologize to you for seeing you as saying that if that's not what your intention was.


I never put forth any such nonsense. I only said there wasn't enough evidence to condemn a man that hasn't stood trial. He allegedly murdered three people which makes him the prime suspect in the murder of three people.

This doesn't make me irrational - but your attempt to insult me because of that opinion was an irrational response on your part.

Apology accepted.
 
2013-02-09 01:50:34 PM

BronyMedic: Amos Quito: You want to reign in a massive, corrupt local organization like the LAPD by granting unlimited powers to create a MUCH larger (nationwide) organization that will inevitably become even MORE corrupt and abusive?

Who will be left to "watch the watchers", BronyMedic?

It's the nature of power. Think it through, dude.

You're proposed "cure" is far, FAR worse than the "disease".

Really? Because it works great for those evil socialist commies over in Europe.
Works great for those evil slant eyed imperialists monsters stealing American Jobs in Japan too!



See the bolded above.

You didn't.
 
2013-02-09 01:52:32 PM

Popcorn Johnny: The situation that led to the two Asian ladies getting shot was kind of screwed up.  The cops spot a vehicle that matches the initial description of the suspects vehicle.  The truck is heading into the neighborhood of one of the people named as a target in the manifesto.  Truck then turns down the street, kills the headlights and slows down.  Can't blame the cops for thinking they had the right vehicle.

That said, the cops are still morons for opening fire.  They should have taken up defensive positions around the truck and ordered the occupants out.  They need to be fired, or at a minimum, reassigned to a desk job and never allowed to carry a gun again.


Citation needed.

Also stop lying. The truck shot didn't match the suspect vehicle. Not in make, model, or color.

You're such a bad troll and now you're backing away from your position yesterday that the cops were in the right. Own being wrong.
 
2013-02-09 01:56:56 PM

Amos Quito: See the bolded above.

You didn't.


Of course I did. Your argument is that if an outside, independent agency was given the ability to conduct police oversight with the authority of the federal Government, like the UK, Japan, Germany, and others do, that it would immediately become a tyrannical and corrupt entity.

Real-life demonstrations prove you otherwise.

Your argument is invalid, and a poor demonstration of a "slippery slope" at that.
 
2013-02-09 01:57:16 PM
Apparently Charlie Sheen wants Dorner to contact him.

You know you've reached a low point in your life when Charlie Sheen is offering to help you.
 
2013-02-09 01:59:48 PM

Popcorn Johnny: The situation that led to the two Asian ladies getting shot was kind of screwed up.  The cops spot a vehicle that matches the initial description of the suspects vehicle.  The truck is heading into the neighborhood of one of the people named as a target in the manifesto.  Truck then turns down the street, kills the headlights and slows down.  Can't blame the cops for thinking they had the right vehicle.

That said, the cops are still morons for opening fire.  They should have taken up defensive positions around the truck and ordered the occupants out.  They need to be fired, or at a minimum, reassigned to a desk job and never allowed to carry a gun again.


They need criminal charges brought against them, anything less is an insult to the worth of the humans that they assaulted in violation of the law.
 
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