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2013-02-09 09:26:04 AM  
Theory Of Null:  My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide

Way to narrow it down, Sherlock.
 
2013-02-09 09:26:51 AM  

Theory Of Null: In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.


To be honest? I'd be surprised if he wasn't hiding in the mountains. This was not an act that was done on the spur of the moment. He had a plan, and he's smart. For all we know, he had been planning this long enough that he had hidden caches of supplies in the forest in areas which he felt were tactically defensible and important.

Even the most basic of soldiers get some form of escape and evasion training. It sounds like he's putting his to good use.
 
2013-02-09 09:30:09 AM  
Y'see

While I sympathize with Dorner, I do not condone any act of terrorism. Period.

In the end, though, Dorner's whole story will end up as a pretty good metaphor for the United States.
 
2013-02-09 09:32:17 AM  

BronyMedic: Bontesla: Yeah. That's such an absurd, nonsensical theory. Really - if that were true - we'd see the LAPD lose their sh*t in an effort of trying to find and silence him before he had a chance to share his evidence. I mean - we'd see the LAPD ventilate two trucks with bullet holes - injuring innocent people.

Pictured: FARKer  Bontesla hard at work on his/her/it's next groundbreaking post.

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In the event you're not being snarky, and actually being serious, you're the same caliber of idiot who thinks James Holmes was a false flag attack, and the aspie in Newtown was planted to let Obama come get our guns. Please, please tell me you're being snarky.

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Never attempt to relate to conspiracy what can be related to incompetence combined with anger.


Stop being ridiculous.

Do you know that as of last week - there were a gang of seven (working out of the sheriff's office) that would kill "gang members" and then tattoo themselves as a victory? They literally created notches on their body to boast how many people they've killed. But have no fear - we're much safer now. They were fired.

I mean - if you killed seven or eight men - you'd face prison. But they were fired - with no announcement that there would be a continued investigation or possible criminal charges. They were merely fired. For murder. This isn't a conspiracy. This was big news. To pretend that law enforcement officers aren't capable of this is to be ignorant of history. To assume that the LAPD is guilty of a crime is to be launching insane and absurd accusations. To assume Dorner is innocent of charges is equally absurd. We have a goddamned justice system to sort this sh*t out.

I'm not saying that Dorner is innocent. I'm saying that the LAPD is trying to execute a witness and main suspect of a murder investigation. This isn't normal behavior.

By automatically jumping to insults means you have nothing meaningful to add as a defense to your claim. If you can't bother to be factual or rational then I have no use for furthering this conversation :)
 
2013-02-09 09:33:57 AM  

Theory Of Null: In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.

Looks like he is sending them on a wild goose chase until he pops up again or to throw them off while flees the state entirely. My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide


I read a report, possibly inaccurate, that he torched two of his suppressed ARs in the truck.  If that's the case he might be starting to crack under the pressure.
 
2013-02-09 09:34:26 AM  
I think this dude is prepared to hide for months. There's very little benefit in continuing these attacks in the short term. He's done enough to trigger the LAPD into a tailspin. Time is his friend now.
 
2013-02-09 09:35:03 AM  
Whole thing sounds like a psy-op, just like Sandyhooker and the Movie show shooting. Just turn in your guns, even ex cops can't be trusted.
 
2013-02-09 09:37:58 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: The Fourth Ammendment's time has come. The original framers of The Constitution had no idea that technology and society would progress to such a point of complexity and innovation. It is in society's interest to look within and root out all that may do harm to this great nation. No one needs to be secure, the authorities will provide for your protection. The only expense is a child not saved.


You're drinking early today!
 
2013-02-09 09:38:03 AM  
I don't know why, but the police and media always reference the paper delivery women in the Toyota that the police shot at, but somehow forget there was another car shot at and struck by the police. That was TWO innocents shiat at by the police.

Also, I own a dark gray Nissan Titan. The drive to work that morning (Fullerton to Irvine) was weird. All the freeway signs had a "BOLO" for Dorner's Titan. Everyone was looking at me, and a cop stared hard for a long time until he realized I'm a 5'8" Italian.

/csb
 
2013-02-09 09:40:11 AM  

Fail in Human Form: Theory Of Null: In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.

Looks like he is sending them on a wild goose chase until he pops up again or to throw them off while flees the state entirely. My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide

I read a report, possibly inaccurate, that he torched two of his suppressed ARs in the truck.  If that's the case he might be starting to crack under the pressure.


Here's the thing:

To take, at face value, anything reported by the LAPD is to automatically dismiss any accusations of scandal made against the LAPD before they've been processed.

The LAPD should stand down and invite someone else to lead the investigation. Even if they're innocent of all charges - they've managed to cast doubt on their innocence.
 
2013-02-09 09:40:57 AM  

Fail in Human Form: Theory Of Null: In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.

Looks like he is sending them on a wild goose chase until he pops up again or to throw them off while flees the state entirely. My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide

I read a report, possibly inaccurate, that he torched two of his suppressed ARs in the truck.  If that's the case he might be starting to crack under the pressure.


But I read on CNN that he's got a 50 caliber machine gun capable of hitting things over  50 yards away!!!!!!eleventy!!!
 
2013-02-09 09:41:02 AM  

DeCypher44: I don't know why, but the police and media always reference the paper delivery women in the Toyota that the police shot at, but somehow forget there was another car shot at and struck by the police. That was TWO innocents shiat at by the police.

Also, I own a dark gray Nissan Titan. The drive to work that morning (Fullerton to Irvine) was weird. All the freeway signs had a "BOLO" for Dorner's Titan. Everyone was looking at me, and a cop stared hard for a long time until he realized I'm a 5'8" Italian.

/csb


To be safe you might want to work on your concealment.  I suggest purchasing a pair of ACUs  ;-)
 
2013-02-09 09:41:26 AM  

omeganuepsilon: BronyMedic: RDixon:

  Get off your cross, moran, there's a blizzard coming and we need the wood to keep warm.



     Was I wrong to laugh out loud at that?  Was that wrong? Should I have not done that?  I tell you...I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me,at all,that when I first started here,that sort of thing is frowned upon.............
 
2013-02-09 09:41:33 AM  
I think whoever set this up already killed this ex-cop and is using his identity. Typical except for the PHD like manifesto he supposedly wrote.
 
2013-02-09 09:42:20 AM  

DeCypher44: I don't know why, but the police and media always reference the paper delivery women in the Toyota that the police shot at, but somehow forget there was another car shot at and struck by the police. That was TWO innocents shiat at by the police.

Also, I own a dark gray Nissan Titan. The drive to work that morning (Fullerton to Irvine) was weird. All the freeway signs had a "BOLO" for Dorner's Titan. Everyone was looking at me, and a cop stared hard for a long time until he realized I'm a 5'8" Italian.

/csb


Three innocents. The newspaper delivery truck, if I recall correctly, was carrying two people: a mother and daughter. I think the bullet grazed the daughter's hand but hit the mother directly.

This happened Thursday morning so my memory is slightly hazy. These 55 hour work weeks are frying my brain.
 
2013-02-09 09:44:22 AM  
Bontesla, yes, 3 people. I was combining the two ladies since they were together.

/that either sounds sexy, sexist or racist.
 
2013-02-09 09:44:56 AM  

neversummer: I think this dude is prepared to hide for months. There's very little benefit in continuing these attacks in the short term. He's done enough to trigger the LAPD into a tailspin. Time is his friend now.


Exactly. He'll lay low till they calm down, then he'll strike again. Followed by disappearing while they freak out. Rinse. Repeat.
 
2013-02-09 09:45:16 AM  

DeCypher44: I don't know why, but the police and media always reference the paper delivery women in the Toyota that the police shot at, but somehow forget there was another car shot at and struck by the police. That was TWO innocents shiat at by the police.

Also, I own a dark gray Nissan Titan. The drive to work that morning (Fullerton to Irvine) was weird. All the freeway signs had a "BOLO" for Dorner's Titan. Everyone was looking at me, and a cop stared hard for a long time until he realized I'm a 5'8" Italian.

/csb


Apparently, you were largely safe from bullets then. The cops were only targeting vehicles that did not match Dorner's (I kid). Be safe out there.
 
2013-02-09 09:48:15 AM  
The LAPD is beyond fixing, and has been for years. They have no sense of shame. Look at what they did to those women. The world is watching, but they're still playing Rambo in the streets.
 
2013-02-09 09:51:33 AM  

iron_city_ap: neversummer: I think this dude is prepared to hide for months. There's very little benefit in continuing these attacks in the short term. He's done enough to trigger the LAPD into a tailspin. Time is his friend now.

Exactly. He'll lay low till they calm down, then he'll strike again. Followed by disappearing while they freak out. Rinse. Repeat.


I don't think so. This guy is convinced there's a conspiracy within the LAPD. He's either delusional, dishonest, or is trying to expose corruption at some fairly high levels.

My money is on either delusion or exposure. I'd speculate that he's going to try to contact the media. He's already reached out to Anderson Cooper. I would be surprised if other "news" anchors haven't received something they're trying to independently verify. He's written a really lengthy, rambling manifesto trying to communicate events that he's convinced happened. I think he wants to get the story out. That comes across as his main objective.

I think we're going to see more "evidence" surface. The evidence will either highlight psychosis or corruption.

That's how I forecast it.
 
2013-02-09 09:52:09 AM  
"We still have to insure that citizens believe the police are there to protect and serve...."

The requirement for belief would seem to insinuate that the police are there for some other reason.  If the facts surrounding their actions supported this statement, people wouldn't have to believe it, they would simply know it as the truth.
 
2013-02-09 09:53:40 AM  
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2013-02-09 09:53:57 AM  

St_Francis_P: syrynxx: That guy's parting message makes it sound like LAPD are an Aryan Brotherhood front.

That's nonsense. The Aryan Brotherhood don't get paid nearly as well.


And they actually get down to a gun range once in a while, I'm sure.
 
2013-02-09 09:54:35 AM  
racist ass LAPD shoots civillians: unfortunate incident that merits investigation.
Guy twisting racist ass LAPD's tail shoots civillians: TOTAL MONSTER, cause entirely discredited, any sympathetic feelings you might have also render you a monster.
 
2013-02-09 09:55:06 AM  
If he's sniper trained, the number one thing they teach is patience.
Now is his time to be patient.
 
2013-02-09 09:56:23 AM  

BronyMedic: Bontesla: I sincerely hope that Dorner is out of California by now. They're trying to execute him.

You missed the thread from yesterday. There are FARK posters who think that Dorner is completely innocent, and the murders are a frame job by the LAPD to discredit him because he came forward.

That said, this seems hillariously appropriate.

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That would be a garbled recollection of me. I want evidence. If he actually came out and said 'I took out these dudes at these locations' that's one thing. But the two cops following a truck they thought resembled Dorners (ORLY?) and come to find out it wasn't (of course), so they make a turn and somebody else shoots at them and suddenly the person who shoots at them is Dorner (ORLY?) -- that just smacks of stacking on cold cases to a murder trial just so they can be closed, who gives a fk if the suspect actually did it or not.  You know?

So maybe he killed the chick and her cop fiance.  If he did it, killing them over something her father did is bogus.  But is there proof?

But the other two incidents........ don't cops get shot at every day in LA?  Will every shooting of a cop now be associated with Dorner?  I want proof.  That's all I'm saying, man.  LAPD didn't suddenly become trustworthy just because Dorner had a psychotic break.
 
2013-02-09 09:56:26 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Dorner was trained by America to do what America does best: Kill people who need killing.

Now we're gonna kill him - and we should.

Then, if there's an iota of sense left, they'll clean house at the LAPD.


Small change, but I think it adds so very much to the narrative...

Now I'm off to watch First Blood - it's not on Netflix Instant so I have a DVD for occasions such as this...
 
2013-02-09 09:58:27 AM  

BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.


As opposes to the LAPD who is gunning down innocent civilians in their trucks

I'm actually concerned about the lack of outrage a lot of people seem to have for the fact that the LAPD is GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS in cars.
 
2013-02-09 09:59:22 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: BronyMedic: Bontesla: I sincerely hope that Dorner is out of California by now. They're trying to execute him.

You missed the thread from yesterday. There are FARK posters who think that Dorner is completely innocent, and the murders are a frame job by the LAPD to discredit him because he came forward.

That said, this seems hillariously appropriate.

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That would be a garbled recollection of me. I want evidence. If he actually came out and said 'I took out these dudes at these locations' that's one thing. But the two cops following a truck they thought resembled Dorners (ORLY?) and come to find out it wasn't (of course), so they make a turn and somebody else shoots at them and suddenly the person who shoots at them is Dorner (ORLY?) -- that just smacks of stacking on cold cases to a murder trial just so they can be closed, who gives a fk if the suspect actually did it or not.  You know?

So maybe he killed the chick and her cop fiance.  If he did it, killing them over something her father did is bogus.  But is there proof?

But the other two incidents........ don't cops get shot at every day in LA?  Will every shooting of a cop now be associated with Dorner?  I want proof.  That's all I'm saying, man.  LAPD didn't suddenly become trustworthy just because Dorner had a psychotic break.


So far - the only evidence of a Dorner-related shooting are the shootings perpetuated by the cops. Thursday - they attacked trucks. Friday they attacked residential homes, garages, cars, and utility poles. At least no one was injured in Friday's attack.

Source

As one resident says: "That's why we live here because it is safe," said the cardiologist technician. "It's ironic that the only violence we experienced here is from LAPD."
 
2013-02-09 10:00:57 AM  

Theory Of Null: In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.

Looks like he is sending them on a wild goose chase until he pops up again or to throw them off while flees the state entirely. My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide


Like I asked in the thread BronyMedic is referring to in one of his posts above:  about his identification.......................  how did his police badge end up with his identification?  Was he an ex-cop or not?  Was he still working as a cop until the Navy let him go on Friday? or was that his Navy badge that was left in the field, while his personal effects were found in a garbage bin elsewhere?

If he burned his truck, why wouldn't he burn his personal effects instead of just dumping them in a garbage bin?

This all makes for an interesting thriller, but after a while, certain things don't necessarily make sense.
 
2013-02-09 10:01:06 AM  

neversummer: I think this dude is prepared to hide for months. There's very little benefit in continuing these attacks in the short term. He's done enough to trigger the LAPD into a tailspin. Time is his friend now.


Quite likely.

If he waits a while, the furor will start to die down, the LAPD will let its guard down (you can't maintain a high state of alert forever), and he can hit another target.
 
2013-02-09 10:01:12 AM  

syrynxx: That guy's parting message makes it sound like LAPD are an Aryan Brotherhood front.  Want to beat up black people and get away with it?  Join the LAPD.
uncensored message


Hmm....  He actually  sounds like a pretty solid guy,  Wonder what the media will do with this full version.
 
2013-02-09 10:01:44 AM  
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2013-02-09 10:02:05 AM  

AcesFull:     When he murdered that mans' daughter,he declared he was playing no limit...all in.  It will be a fiery finish comparable to the SLA shootout...He will have to be shot to pieces and literally on fire before he kills himself..


I don't know man. I don't think they will take him alive. He feels they took his "life" once. He wont let them finish the job.
 
2013-02-09 10:02:14 AM  

Warlordtrooper: BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.

As opposes to the LAPD who is gunning down innocent civilians in their trucks

I'm actually concerned about the lack of outrage a lot of people seem to have for the fact that the LAPD is GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS in cars.


It's incredibly disturbing. But it's more than a lack of outrage. People are actually siding with the cops - defending the shooting of unarmed, innocent people.
 
2013-02-09 10:04:42 AM  

Warlordtrooper: As opposes to the LAPD who is gunning down innocent civilians in their trucks

I'm actually concerned about the lack of outrage a lot of people seem to have for the fact that the LAPD is GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS in cars.


You're assumption seems to be that someone either has to be outraged for one OR the other. It's not possible to be outraged about both at the same time, one must be vilified and the other held upon a pedestal.

In reality, the LAPD is vile and corrupt. They need to clean house, and I hope the feds do just that. That doesn't excuse nor justify gunning down innocent people.

ZeroPly: Kill people who need killing.


The daughter of a cop who had nothing to do with Dorner or the LAPD, and a basketball coach/lawyer who was loosely connected to him needed killing?

Oh, well. I'm sure they did something in the past to justify getting shot in the face. Maybe jaywalking, or took one penny without leaving one.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: That would be a garbled recollection of me. I want evidence. If he actually came out and said 'I took out these dudes at these locations' that's one thing. But the two cops following a truck they thought resembled Dorners (ORLY?) and come to find out it wasn't (of course), so they make a turn and somebody else shoots at them and suddenly the person who shoots at them is Dorner (ORLY?) -- that just smacks of stacking on cold cases to a murder trial just so they can be closed, who gives a fk if the suspect actually did it or not.  You know?


You really need to go into detail when you post something that makes you come off nuttier than the Sideshow Bob fanboys who way he's innocent when you post what you did yesterday. It's not a leap of logic at all to call you out for a conspiracy theory with that.

That's why I was so freakin' suprised at that. You're typically one of the more level headed, logical FARK posters on here.
 
2013-02-09 10:05:01 AM  

pyrotek85: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Looks like they survived fortunately

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57568368/christopher-dorner-manh un t-two-innocent-women-shot-by-lapd-officers-had-no-warning/


Yeah, that 70 year old lady is so alright, she's in the Intensive Care Unit.  It's just me, but there's a subtle difference between things being alright because you're in intensive care, and things being all fked to hell in back because you're in intensive care.
One subtlety says 'hey, it's no big deal after all that the cops shot at her because she'll live'; the other is 'why in god's name did they put that lady in the intensive care unit in the first place'?

Right now, the subtlety is the first one, so that being in the intensive care unit is placed on the same level as same-day care walking out no big deal.  You know what I mean?
 
2013-02-09 10:05:24 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Theory Of Null: In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.

Looks like he is sending them on a wild goose chase until he pops up again or to throw them off while flees the state entirely. My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide

Like I asked in the thread BronyMedic is referring to in one of his posts above:  about his identification.......................  how did his police badge end up with his identification?  Was he an ex-cop or not?  Was he still working as a cop until the Navy let him go on Friday? or was that his Navy badge that was left in the field, while his personal effects were found in a garbage bin elsewhere?

If he burned his truck, why wouldn't he burn his personal effects instead of just dumping them in a garbage bin?

This all makes for an interesting thriller, but after a while, certain things don't necessarily make sense.


Very little of it makes sense. So - sightings of the burned vehicle were reported at around 8am Thursday morning. According to official reports - they didn't check out the vehicle until later in the afternoon.
 
2013-02-09 10:07:33 AM  

Warlordtrooper: BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.

As opposes to the LAPD who is gunning down innocent civilians in their trucks

I'm actually concerned about the lack of outrage a lot of people seem to have for the fact that the LAPD is GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS in cars.


I think that's due to a scary cultural shift in our country.  Politicians and police are no longer seen as fellow citizens serving a post, they're viewed as ABOVE the rest of us.  You see it expressed in things like the AWB that exempts current AND retired police along with representatives.  It's supposed to be a government of , by, and for the people.  Instead we've drifted to a government of the people, by the elite, for the rich and my fellow lefties only seem to have a problem with the "for the rich" part because they generally tend to be conservative.  This country is in sorry shape and, to steal a line, "Certainly there are those more responsible than others, but if you want to look for the truly guilty... all you have to do is look in a mirror".
 
2013-02-09 10:07:40 AM  

iollow , bmihura: StoPPeRmobile: The Fourth Ammendment's time has come. The original framers of The Constitution had no idea that technology and society would progress to such a point of complexity and innovation. It is in society's interest to look within and root out all that may do harm to this great nation. No one needs to be secure, the authorities will provide for your protection. The only expense is a child not saved.

You're drinking early today!




The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

In order for society to be safe we must look within. This treads on The Fourth Ammendment in a way that The Fathers of The Constitution never planned. So it must go.
 
2013-02-09 10:09:17 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Yeah, that 70 year old lady is so alright, she's in the Intensive Care Unit.  It's just me, but there's a subtle difference between things being alright because you're in intensive care, and things being all fked to hell in back because you're in intensive care.


If she was shot in the hand, because of her age alone they'd put her in the intensive care unit because of the staffing ratios. People like that get lost on a floor where one nurse has to care for ten or so different patients at the same time. It's not necessarily because she's knocking on the death's door.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: One subtlety says 'hey, it's no big deal after all that the cops shot at her because she'll live'; the other is 'why in god's name did they put that lady in the intensive care unit in the first place'?


The question that anyone, even pro-Law Enforcement, should be asking is "Why the fark did you think it was acceptable to open up on a vehicle without even identifying a threat?" The actions of that officer involved are inexcusable, and reek of panic and anger.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Right now, the subtlety is the first one, so that being in the intensive care unit is placed on the same level as same-day care walking out no big deal.  You know what I mean?


Not necessarily. The cops usually don't have medical training. They'll tell the media someone's in "critical but stable condition". WTF?
 
2013-02-09 10:09:46 AM  

Kazujin: If he's sniper trained, the number one thing they teach is patience.
Now is his time to be patient.


I don't think he is sniper trained, if the Wikipedia article on him is correct:   He only received the "Marksman" award for rifle shooting, the lowest of three levels (Marksman, Sharpshooter, Expert).

I'm not a sniper quality shot by any means, and I never qualified lower than high sharpshooter when I was in the Army.  Usually, I shot low Expert or high Sharpshooter.

He did qualify as expert with a pistol, though, but the skills aren't necessarily 100% transferable.  Completely different type of shooting.
 
2013-02-09 10:10:15 AM  
    Mr. Dorner is suffering from terminal entitlement...
 
2013-02-09 10:10:40 AM  

jakomo002: dinch: I read his manifesto. He had some pretty salient points. Then he started talking about Tebow.

Same here. Some of the shockingly racist things that happen in the LAPD really surprised me. I thought they had cleaned that up, or at least tried.

I wasn't aware, for example, that one of the officers in the Rodney King tape (one swinging the baton) got a PROMOTION eventually, and now commands 200 LA police officers.

Or that if an LAPD officer calls a fellow officer a n*gger, he essentially gets a slap on the wrist.

But some of the other stuff seems, um, less than lucid.


Like this passage?

"You allow an officer, Thaniya Sungruenyos, to attempt to hack into my credit union account and still remain on the job even when Det. Zolezzi shows the evidence that the IP address (provided by LAPFCU) that attempted to hack into my account and change my username and password leads directly to her residence. You even allow this visibly disgusting looking officer to stay on the job when she perjures (lies) in court (Clark County Family Court) to the judge's face and denies hacking into my personal credit union online account when I attempted to get my restraint order extended. Det. Zolezzi provided the evidence and you still do nothing. How do you know when a police officer is lying??? When he begins his sentence with, "based on my experience and training". No one grows up and wants to be a cop killer. It was against everything I've ever was. As a young police explorer I found my calling in life. But, As a young police officer I found that the violent suspects on the street are not the only people you have to watch. It is the officer who was hired on to the department (pre-2000) before polygraphs were standard for all new hires and an substantial vetting in a backround investigation. To those children of the officers who are eradicated, your parent was not the individual you thought they were.  "

As there's a record that that happened, perhaps the IT folks here can explain why that's no big deal after all. I don't know, maybe it isn't.  To me, a co-worker trying to change my username and password who is not authorized to access my account information in any way or form (personally or with a writ from a supervisor) ... that's serious business.  From an IT standpoint, why wouldn't it be?
 
2013-02-09 10:14:28 AM  

BronyMedic: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Yeah, that 70 year old lady is so alright, she's in the Intensive Care Unit.  It's just me, but there's a subtle difference between things being alright because you're in intensive care, and things being all fked to hell in back because you're in intensive care.

If she was shot in the hand, because of her age alone they'd put her in the intensive care unit because of the staffing ratios. People like that get lost on a floor where one nurse has to care for ten or so different patients at the same time. It's not necessarily because she's knocking on the death's door.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: One subtlety says 'hey, it's no big deal after all that the cops shot at her because she'll live'; the other is 'why in god's name did they put that lady in the intensive care unit in the first place'?

The question that anyone, even pro-Law Enforcement, should be asking is "Why the fark did you think it was acceptable to open up on a vehicle without even identifying a threat?" The actions of that officer involved are inexcusable, and reek of panic and anger.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Right now, the subtlety is the first one, so that being in the intensive care unit is placed on the same level as same-day care walking out no big deal.  You know what I mean?

Not necessarily. The cops usually don't have medical training. They'll tell the media someone's in "critical but stable condition". WTF?


I'm sure you have sources for your conjecture about this woman.  She probably was just scared by all the noise.
 
2013-02-09 10:15:25 AM  

colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.


Generallyso is asking whether the two little old ladies, and the white dude whose truck also got rammed and shot at (headshot!) are the only incidents which have been reported since the first day, or have others also been reported (or been suppressed).  At least, I think that's what you're asking?

By the way, funny how when the info originally came down the wire, the word was that the two trucks *did* match the description, but when the internet got a hold of it and shiatloads of people started going to the news sites' online message boards and asking how the trucks could possibly match Dorner's because they saw the pictures elsewhere....................  the media changed the message, without acknowledging the change.
 
2013-02-09 10:16:18 AM  

dittybopper: neversummer: I think this dude is prepared to hide for months. There's very little benefit in continuing these attacks in the short term. He's done enough to trigger the LAPD into a tailspin. Time is his friend now.

Quite likely.

If he waits a while, the furor will start to die down, the LAPD will let its guard down (you can't maintain a high state of alert forever), and he can hit another target.




I'm thinking its either this or he's already fled the country.

When they got a general sense of his location they should have called out a militia/posse/whatever and wrapped a wall of manpower around there.
House to house with a handful of swat guys leaves too much open ground for him to use, and the more time passes the more we have to wonder if he's already escaped from the area.

Time isn't on the cops side. They need to clear that scene quickly or he's just as good as lost.

/Its also a good chance that he's eaten his gun already and this is just a body recovery.
/but a long wait with no evidence is a very bad thing.
 
2013-02-09 10:17:07 AM  
FTA: now is not the right time to wear a hoodie," Trone said.

www.enasha.com
 
2013-02-09 10:18:14 AM  

pyrotek85: NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....

You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?


/Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. He's farking bugshiat crazy, has killed innocent people, and will continue to do so unless stopped, and will probably force the police to gun him down like the rabid dog he is, which is what you do to rabid animals. You kill them, you kill them until they die from it.  I have 0 problems with this. He's not "innocent" at all, there is no doubt that he committed the crimes they said, and he said, he did.  He's crazy, and it would be better if they just invoked rule #.308 when they find his ass, which he will probably force them to do anyway, or kill himself like the coward he is.  Either way, as long as he's not sucking wind anymore, it's fine with me.
 
2013-02-09 10:18:50 AM  

MNguy: I'm sure you have sources for your conjecture about this woman.  She probably was just scared by all the noise.


Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what I said. Not the fact that she's a geriatric patient with a gunshot wound being taken into account.
 
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