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(San Gabriel Valley Tribune)   "Black men [in LA] should avoid even the most banal confrontations with the police...make sure you cooperate with the police; now is not the right time to wear a hoodie," this is not a repeat from every other moment in the history of LA   ( sgvtribune.com) divider line
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2013-02-09 01:12:07 AM  
well played, subby
 
2013-02-09 01:23:20 AM  
Awesome.
 
2013-02-09 06:55:13 AM  
That guy's parting message makes it sound like LAPD are an Aryan Brotherhood front.  Want to beat up black people and get away with it?  Join the LAPD.
uncensored message
 
2013-02-09 07:25:05 AM  

syrynxx: That guy's parting message makes it sound like LAPD are an Aryan Brotherhood front.


That's nonsense. The Aryan Brotherhood don't get paid nearly as well.
 
2013-02-09 07:38:13 AM  

St_Francis_P: syrynxx: That guy's parting message makes it sound like LAPD are an Aryan Brotherhood front.

That's nonsense. The Aryan Brotherhood don't get paid nearly as well.


Nor is their behavior sanctioned as much.
 
2013-02-09 07:42:29 AM  
I sincerely hope that Dorner is out of California by now. They're trying to execute him.
 
2013-02-09 08:47:13 AM  
Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?
 
2013-02-09 08:47:43 AM  

Bontesla: I sincerely hope that Dorner is out of California by now. They're trying to execute him.


You missed the thread from yesterday. There are FARK posters who think that Dorner is completely innocent, and the murders are a frame job by the LAPD to discredit him because he came forward.

That said, this seems hillariously appropriate.

funnytshirts.savatoons.com
 
2013-02-09 08:49:53 AM  

generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?


FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.
 
2013-02-09 08:50:02 AM  
I read his manifesto. He had some pretty salient points. Then he started talking about Tebow.
 
2013-02-09 08:50:34 AM  

Hanky: well played, subby


ecmoRandomNumbers: Awesome.



Thanks. I'm glad they greenlit (greenlighted?) this one. :)

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2013-02-09 08:51:31 AM  
Dorner was trained by America to do what America does best: Kill people.

Now we're gonna kill him - and we should.

Then, if there's an iota of sense left, they'll clean house at the LAPD.
 
2013-02-09 08:52:08 AM  
Last item I read about this case concerned the LAPD's attempted murder of a couple of white(?) women. Have they decided to narrow their focus?
 
2013-02-09 08:54:02 AM  
Yeah the general public better help find this guy or you might never see your morning paper again
 
2013-02-09 08:54:12 AM  
"Black men [in LA] should avoid even the most banal confrontations with the police...make sure you cooperate with the police; now is not the right time to wear a hoodie."

Sounds an awful lot like "She was asking for it, just look how short that skirt is."
 
2013-02-09 08:54:47 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Last item I read about this case concerned the LAPD's attempted murder of a couple of white(?) women. Have they decided to narrow their focus?


White? LAPD? Noooo.... They were Mexican!
 
2013-02-09 08:54:57 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Then, if there's an iota of sense left, they'll clean house at the LAPD.


If there were it would have happened after the Rampart scandal broke. Instead we got a a television show inspired by it.
 
2013-02-09 08:55:54 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Sounds an awful lot like "She was asking for it, just look how short that skirt is."


So basically the prevailing attitude of FARK on every Saturday morning?

Well, that and it's awesome that a 40 year old teacher would have sex with a 14 year old student.
 
2013-02-09 08:57:22 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Then, if there's an iota of sense left, they'll clean house at the LAPD.


That would be a neat trick.
 
2013-02-09 08:58:20 AM  

BronyMedic: Bontesla: I sincerely hope that Dorner is out of California by now. They're trying to execute him.

You missed the thread from yesterday. There are FARK posters who think that Dorner is completely innocent, and the murders are a frame job by the LAPD to discredit him because he came forward.

That said, this seems hillariously appropriate.

[funnytshirts.savatoons.com image 515x320]


I hadn't seen anything about this until last night. there are many theories and possibilities that will all involve death and mayhem.
 
2013-02-09 09:00:19 AM  
dinch: I read his manifesto. He had some pretty salient points. Then he started talking about Tebow.

Same here. Some of the shockingly racist things that happen in the LAPD really surprised me. I thought they had cleaned that up, or at least tried.

I wasn't aware, for example, that one of the officers in the Rodney King tape (one swinging the baton) got a PROMOTION eventually, and now commands 200 LA police officers.

Or that if an LAPD officer calls a fellow officer a n*gger, he essentially gets a slap on the wrist.

But some of the other stuff seems, um, less than lucid.

Seems to me that Dorner is a Frankenstein monster that the US military trained, and the LAPD further corrupted, and now he's clearly lost his mind. Terrible blowback, but at least he's not out there massacring dozens of civilians.

I'm not saying that a civilians life is worth more than an LAPD cop, but the LAPD made this guy what he is, or at least seriously contributed to it.
 
2013-02-09 09:03:00 AM  

jakomo002: dinch: I read his manifesto. He had some pretty salient points. Then he started talking about Tebow.

Same here. Some of the shockingly racist things that happen in the LAPD really surprised me. I thought they had cleaned that up, or at least tried.

I wasn't aware, for example, that one of the officers in the Rodney King tape (one swinging the baton) got a PROMOTION eventually, and now commands 200 LA police officers.

Or that if an LAPD officer calls a fellow officer a n*gger, he essentially gets a slap on the wrist.

But some of the other stuff seems, um, less than lucid.

Seems to me that Dorner is a Frankenstein monster that the US military trained, and the LAPD further corrupted, and now he's clearly lost his mind. Terrible blowback, but at least he's not out there massacring dozens of civilians.

I'm not saying that a civilians life is worth more than an LAPD cop, but the LAPD made this guy what he is, or at least seriously contributed to it.


He did kill civilians.
 
2013-02-09 09:04:29 AM  
The Fourth Ammendment's time has come. The original framers of The Constitution had no idea that technology and society would progress to such a point of complexity and innovation. It is in society's interest to look within and root out all that may do harm to this great nation. No one needs to be secure, the authorities will provide for your protection. The only expense is a child not saved.
 
2013-02-09 09:04:51 AM  
The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.
 
2013-02-09 09:06:15 AM  
    When he murdered that mans' daughter,he declared he was playing no limit...all in.  It will be a fiery finish comparable to the SLA shootout...He will have to be shot to pieces and literally on fire before he kills himself..
 
2013-02-09 09:07:04 AM  
MNguy He did kill civilians.

Oh, crap, right. The daughter of a cop and her fiancee or something? I forgot about that. Sorry.

You gotta admit, for all the warnings about how crazy and dangerous and armed and well-trained this guy is, his body count is low for a "killing spree".
 
2013-02-09 09:08:02 AM  
First Blood.
 
2013-02-09 09:08:24 AM  

RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.


So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.
 
2013-02-09 09:09:43 AM  
I think until this is resolved, Obama should really go no where near Los Angeles at this time. The cops could mistake him for Dorner and the Secret Service detail as recruits.
 
2013-02-09 09:09:53 AM  

BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.


Why do you think he is a hero?
 
2013-02-09 09:09:55 AM  
Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....
 
2013-02-09 09:11:06 AM  
And they ask what possible legitimate reason would someone have to own a semi auto rifle and magazines that hold 50 or 100 rounds.

This.
 
2013-02-09 09:11:59 AM  

NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....


You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?
 
2013-02-09 09:12:12 AM  

BronyMedic: TofuTheAlmighty: Sounds an awful lot like "She was asking for it, just look how short that skirt is."

So basically the prevailing attitude of FARK on every Saturday morning?

Well, that and it's awesome that a 40 year old teacher would have sex with a 14 year old student.


Shut up, bootlicker.
 
GBB
2013-02-09 09:13:05 AM  
I hope this incident doesn't interfere with the airing of the next season of SouthLAnd.
 
2013-02-09 09:13:23 AM  

generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?


As of Friday - the LAPD has downgraded their efforts to shooting garage doors, telephone polls, and parked cars in the same neighborhood that the two newspaper delivery women were shot in Thursday morning.
 
2013-02-09 09:15:13 AM  
How about instead they tell the LAPD to stop shooting people because they feel like it?

StoPPeRmobile: The Second Ammendment's time has come.


FTFY.

If they're gonna kill citizens because they feel like it, they deserve the same treatment.
 
2013-02-09 09:15:17 AM  
Probably in Aruba right now.
 
2013-02-09 09:15:39 AM  

colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.


So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.
 
2013-02-09 09:18:53 AM  

BronyMedic: Bontesla: I sincerely hope that Dorner is out of California by now. They're trying to execute him.

You missed the thread from yesterday. There are FARK posters who think that Dorner is completely innocent, and the murders are a frame job by the LAPD to discredit him because he came forward.

That said, this seems hillariously appropriate.

[funnytshirts.savatoons.com image 515x320]


Yeah. That's such an absurd, nonsensical theory. Really - if that were true - we'd see the LAPD lose their sh*t in an effort of trying to find and silence him before he had a chance to share his evidence. I mean - we'd see the LAPD ventilate two trucks with bullet holes - injuring innocent people.
 
2013-02-09 09:19:58 AM  

Madbassist1: Shut up, bootlicker.


Awww. Someone's still mad.

3.bp.blogspot.com

Nice to see in addition to being a lulzcow who has cried for weeks because he got a two day time out, you're also one of the Dorner hero worshippers who think that it's perfectly okay to murder innocent people who had nothing to do with what happened to him.

That makes me an authoritarian, apparantly, because I don't think it's okay to target innocent family members and people who had nothing to do with it. It would have even been UNDERSTANDABLE had he targeted someone who was directly involved. Not excusable, but understandable.

biatch, please.

RDixon: Why do you think he is a hero?


Oh, please don't be such a fail troll. You've been here since 2003. You've cheered him on in this thread. At least have the integrity to stand by your comments. Own it, brother!
 
2013-02-09 09:20:12 AM  

BalugaJoe: Probably in Aruba right now.


   If I were Ving Rhames,that's where I would be.
 
2013-02-09 09:20:29 AM  
Public Service message from Chris Rock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haiHGlo7O4o
 
2013-02-09 09:20:47 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.


I heard that they were doing okay. I can't source that - it's just what I heard.
 
2013-02-09 09:20:53 AM  

jakomo002: MNguy He did kill civilians.

Oh, crap, right. The daughter of a cop and her fiancee or something? I forgot about that. Sorry.

You gotta admit, for all the warnings about how crazy and dangerous and armed and well-trained this guy is, his body count is low for a "killing spree".


Yeah, well, the LAPD is keeping his head down by shooting innocent old ladies.
 
2013-02-09 09:20:56 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.


Looks like they survived fortunately

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57568368/christopher-dorner-manh un t-two-innocent-women-shot-by-lapd-officers-had-no-warning/
 
2013-02-09 09:23:54 AM  

Bontesla: Yeah. That's such an absurd, nonsensical theory. Really - if that were true - we'd see the LAPD lose their sh*t in an effort of trying to find and silence him before he had a chance to share his evidence. I mean - we'd see the LAPD ventilate two trucks with bullet holes - injuring innocent people.


Pictured: FARKer  Bontesla hard at work on his/her/it's next groundbreaking post.

www.tinfoilonmyhead.com

In the event you're not being snarky, and actually being serious, you're the same caliber of idiot who thinks James Holmes was a false flag attack, and the aspie in Newtown was planted to let Obama come get our guns. Please, please tell me you're being snarky.

media.tumblr.com

Never attempt to relate to conspiracy what can be related to incompetence combined with anger.
 
2013-02-09 09:24:55 AM  

Bontesla: I sincerely hope that Dorner is out of California by now. They're trying to execute him.


And they're shooting at anything that moves hoping they'll get lucky.
 
2013-02-09 09:25:00 AM  
In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.

Looks like he is sending them on a wild goose chase until he pops up again or to throw them off while flees the state entirely. My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide
 
2013-02-09 09:25:48 AM  

BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.


No one said he was a hero, only that he was winning.  Get off your cross, moran, there's a blizzard coming and we need the wood to keep warm.
 
2013-02-09 09:26:04 AM  
Theory Of Null:  My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide

Way to narrow it down, Sherlock.
 
2013-02-09 09:26:51 AM  

Theory Of Null: In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.


To be honest? I'd be surprised if he wasn't hiding in the mountains. This was not an act that was done on the spur of the moment. He had a plan, and he's smart. For all we know, he had been planning this long enough that he had hidden caches of supplies in the forest in areas which he felt were tactically defensible and important.

Even the most basic of soldiers get some form of escape and evasion training. It sounds like he's putting his to good use.
 
2013-02-09 09:30:09 AM  
Y'see

While I sympathize with Dorner, I do not condone any act of terrorism. Period.

In the end, though, Dorner's whole story will end up as a pretty good metaphor for the United States.
 
2013-02-09 09:32:17 AM  

BronyMedic: Bontesla: Yeah. That's such an absurd, nonsensical theory. Really - if that were true - we'd see the LAPD lose their sh*t in an effort of trying to find and silence him before he had a chance to share his evidence. I mean - we'd see the LAPD ventilate two trucks with bullet holes - injuring innocent people.

Pictured: FARKer  Bontesla hard at work on his/her/it's next groundbreaking post.

[www.tinfoilonmyhead.com image 215x182]

In the event you're not being snarky, and actually being serious, you're the same caliber of idiot who thinks James Holmes was a false flag attack, and the aspie in Newtown was planted to let Obama come get our guns. Please, please tell me you're being snarky.

[media.tumblr.com image 500x333]

Never attempt to relate to conspiracy what can be related to incompetence combined with anger.


Stop being ridiculous.

Do you know that as of last week - there were a gang of seven (working out of the sheriff's office) that would kill "gang members" and then tattoo themselves as a victory? They literally created notches on their body to boast how many people they've killed. But have no fear - we're much safer now. They were fired.

I mean - if you killed seven or eight men - you'd face prison. But they were fired - with no announcement that there would be a continued investigation or possible criminal charges. They were merely fired. For murder. This isn't a conspiracy. This was big news. To pretend that law enforcement officers aren't capable of this is to be ignorant of history. To assume that the LAPD is guilty of a crime is to be launching insane and absurd accusations. To assume Dorner is innocent of charges is equally absurd. We have a goddamned justice system to sort this sh*t out.

I'm not saying that Dorner is innocent. I'm saying that the LAPD is trying to execute a witness and main suspect of a murder investigation. This isn't normal behavior.

By automatically jumping to insults means you have nothing meaningful to add as a defense to your claim. If you can't bother to be factual or rational then I have no use for furthering this conversation :)
 
2013-02-09 09:33:57 AM  

Theory Of Null: In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.

Looks like he is sending them on a wild goose chase until he pops up again or to throw them off while flees the state entirely. My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide


I read a report, possibly inaccurate, that he torched two of his suppressed ARs in the truck.  If that's the case he might be starting to crack under the pressure.
 
2013-02-09 09:34:26 AM  
I think this dude is prepared to hide for months. There's very little benefit in continuing these attacks in the short term. He's done enough to trigger the LAPD into a tailspin. Time is his friend now.
 
2013-02-09 09:35:03 AM  
Whole thing sounds like a psy-op, just like Sandyhooker and the Movie show shooting. Just turn in your guns, even ex cops can't be trusted.
 
2013-02-09 09:37:58 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: The Fourth Ammendment's time has come. The original framers of The Constitution had no idea that technology and society would progress to such a point of complexity and innovation. It is in society's interest to look within and root out all that may do harm to this great nation. No one needs to be secure, the authorities will provide for your protection. The only expense is a child not saved.


You're drinking early today!
 
2013-02-09 09:38:03 AM  
I don't know why, but the police and media always reference the paper delivery women in the Toyota that the police shot at, but somehow forget there was another car shot at and struck by the police. That was TWO innocents shiat at by the police.

Also, I own a dark gray Nissan Titan. The drive to work that morning (Fullerton to Irvine) was weird. All the freeway signs had a "BOLO" for Dorner's Titan. Everyone was looking at me, and a cop stared hard for a long time until he realized I'm a 5'8" Italian.

/csb
 
2013-02-09 09:40:11 AM  

Fail in Human Form: Theory Of Null: In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.

Looks like he is sending them on a wild goose chase until he pops up again or to throw them off while flees the state entirely. My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide

I read a report, possibly inaccurate, that he torched two of his suppressed ARs in the truck.  If that's the case he might be starting to crack under the pressure.


Here's the thing:

To take, at face value, anything reported by the LAPD is to automatically dismiss any accusations of scandal made against the LAPD before they've been processed.

The LAPD should stand down and invite someone else to lead the investigation. Even if they're innocent of all charges - they've managed to cast doubt on their innocence.
 
2013-02-09 09:40:57 AM  

Fail in Human Form: Theory Of Null: In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.

Looks like he is sending them on a wild goose chase until he pops up again or to throw them off while flees the state entirely. My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide

I read a report, possibly inaccurate, that he torched two of his suppressed ARs in the truck.  If that's the case he might be starting to crack under the pressure.


But I read on CNN that he's got a 50 caliber machine gun capable of hitting things over  50 yards away!!!!!!eleventy!!!
 
2013-02-09 09:41:02 AM  

DeCypher44: I don't know why, but the police and media always reference the paper delivery women in the Toyota that the police shot at, but somehow forget there was another car shot at and struck by the police. That was TWO innocents shiat at by the police.

Also, I own a dark gray Nissan Titan. The drive to work that morning (Fullerton to Irvine) was weird. All the freeway signs had a "BOLO" for Dorner's Titan. Everyone was looking at me, and a cop stared hard for a long time until he realized I'm a 5'8" Italian.

/csb


To be safe you might want to work on your concealment.  I suggest purchasing a pair of ACUs  ;-)
 
2013-02-09 09:41:26 AM  

omeganuepsilon: BronyMedic: RDixon:

  Get off your cross, moran, there's a blizzard coming and we need the wood to keep warm.



     Was I wrong to laugh out loud at that?  Was that wrong? Should I have not done that?  I tell you...I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me,at all,that when I first started here,that sort of thing is frowned upon.............
 
2013-02-09 09:41:33 AM  
I think whoever set this up already killed this ex-cop and is using his identity. Typical except for the PHD like manifesto he supposedly wrote.
 
2013-02-09 09:42:20 AM  

DeCypher44: I don't know why, but the police and media always reference the paper delivery women in the Toyota that the police shot at, but somehow forget there was another car shot at and struck by the police. That was TWO innocents shiat at by the police.

Also, I own a dark gray Nissan Titan. The drive to work that morning (Fullerton to Irvine) was weird. All the freeway signs had a "BOLO" for Dorner's Titan. Everyone was looking at me, and a cop stared hard for a long time until he realized I'm a 5'8" Italian.

/csb


Three innocents. The newspaper delivery truck, if I recall correctly, was carrying two people: a mother and daughter. I think the bullet grazed the daughter's hand but hit the mother directly.

This happened Thursday morning so my memory is slightly hazy. These 55 hour work weeks are frying my brain.
 
2013-02-09 09:44:22 AM  
Bontesla, yes, 3 people. I was combining the two ladies since they were together.

/that either sounds sexy, sexist or racist.
 
2013-02-09 09:44:56 AM  

neversummer: I think this dude is prepared to hide for months. There's very little benefit in continuing these attacks in the short term. He's done enough to trigger the LAPD into a tailspin. Time is his friend now.


Exactly. He'll lay low till they calm down, then he'll strike again. Followed by disappearing while they freak out. Rinse. Repeat.
 
2013-02-09 09:45:16 AM  

DeCypher44: I don't know why, but the police and media always reference the paper delivery women in the Toyota that the police shot at, but somehow forget there was another car shot at and struck by the police. That was TWO innocents shiat at by the police.

Also, I own a dark gray Nissan Titan. The drive to work that morning (Fullerton to Irvine) was weird. All the freeway signs had a "BOLO" for Dorner's Titan. Everyone was looking at me, and a cop stared hard for a long time until he realized I'm a 5'8" Italian.

/csb


Apparently, you were largely safe from bullets then. The cops were only targeting vehicles that did not match Dorner's (I kid). Be safe out there.
 
2013-02-09 09:48:15 AM  
The LAPD is beyond fixing, and has been for years. They have no sense of shame. Look at what they did to those women. The world is watching, but they're still playing Rambo in the streets.
 
2013-02-09 09:51:33 AM  

iron_city_ap: neversummer: I think this dude is prepared to hide for months. There's very little benefit in continuing these attacks in the short term. He's done enough to trigger the LAPD into a tailspin. Time is his friend now.

Exactly. He'll lay low till they calm down, then he'll strike again. Followed by disappearing while they freak out. Rinse. Repeat.


I don't think so. This guy is convinced there's a conspiracy within the LAPD. He's either delusional, dishonest, or is trying to expose corruption at some fairly high levels.

My money is on either delusion or exposure. I'd speculate that he's going to try to contact the media. He's already reached out to Anderson Cooper. I would be surprised if other "news" anchors haven't received something they're trying to independently verify. He's written a really lengthy, rambling manifesto trying to communicate events that he's convinced happened. I think he wants to get the story out. That comes across as his main objective.

I think we're going to see more "evidence" surface. The evidence will either highlight psychosis or corruption.

That's how I forecast it.
 
2013-02-09 09:52:09 AM  
"We still have to insure that citizens believe the police are there to protect and serve...."

The requirement for belief would seem to insinuate that the police are there for some other reason.  If the facts surrounding their actions supported this statement, people wouldn't have to believe it, they would simply know it as the truth.
 
2013-02-09 09:53:40 AM  
67.18.219.83
 
2013-02-09 09:53:57 AM  

St_Francis_P: syrynxx: That guy's parting message makes it sound like LAPD are an Aryan Brotherhood front.

That's nonsense. The Aryan Brotherhood don't get paid nearly as well.


And they actually get down to a gun range once in a while, I'm sure.
 
2013-02-09 09:54:35 AM  
racist ass LAPD shoots civillians: unfortunate incident that merits investigation.
Guy twisting racist ass LAPD's tail shoots civillians: TOTAL MONSTER, cause entirely discredited, any sympathetic feelings you might have also render you a monster.
 
2013-02-09 09:55:06 AM  
If he's sniper trained, the number one thing they teach is patience.
Now is his time to be patient.
 
2013-02-09 09:56:23 AM  

BronyMedic: Bontesla: I sincerely hope that Dorner is out of California by now. They're trying to execute him.

You missed the thread from yesterday. There are FARK posters who think that Dorner is completely innocent, and the murders are a frame job by the LAPD to discredit him because he came forward.

That said, this seems hillariously appropriate.

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That would be a garbled recollection of me. I want evidence. If he actually came out and said 'I took out these dudes at these locations' that's one thing. But the two cops following a truck they thought resembled Dorners (ORLY?) and come to find out it wasn't (of course), so they make a turn and somebody else shoots at them and suddenly the person who shoots at them is Dorner (ORLY?) -- that just smacks of stacking on cold cases to a murder trial just so they can be closed, who gives a fk if the suspect actually did it or not.  You know?

So maybe he killed the chick and her cop fiance.  If he did it, killing them over something her father did is bogus.  But is there proof?

But the other two incidents........ don't cops get shot at every day in LA?  Will every shooting of a cop now be associated with Dorner?  I want proof.  That's all I'm saying, man.  LAPD didn't suddenly become trustworthy just because Dorner had a psychotic break.
 
2013-02-09 09:56:26 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Dorner was trained by America to do what America does best: Kill people who need killing.

Now we're gonna kill him - and we should.

Then, if there's an iota of sense left, they'll clean house at the LAPD.


Small change, but I think it adds so very much to the narrative...

Now I'm off to watch First Blood - it's not on Netflix Instant so I have a DVD for occasions such as this...
 
2013-02-09 09:58:27 AM  

BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.


As opposes to the LAPD who is gunning down innocent civilians in their trucks

I'm actually concerned about the lack of outrage a lot of people seem to have for the fact that the LAPD is GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS in cars.
 
2013-02-09 09:59:22 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: BronyMedic: Bontesla: I sincerely hope that Dorner is out of California by now. They're trying to execute him.

You missed the thread from yesterday. There are FARK posters who think that Dorner is completely innocent, and the murders are a frame job by the LAPD to discredit him because he came forward.

That said, this seems hillariously appropriate.

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That would be a garbled recollection of me. I want evidence. If he actually came out and said 'I took out these dudes at these locations' that's one thing. But the two cops following a truck they thought resembled Dorners (ORLY?) and come to find out it wasn't (of course), so they make a turn and somebody else shoots at them and suddenly the person who shoots at them is Dorner (ORLY?) -- that just smacks of stacking on cold cases to a murder trial just so they can be closed, who gives a fk if the suspect actually did it or not.  You know?

So maybe he killed the chick and her cop fiance.  If he did it, killing them over something her father did is bogus.  But is there proof?

But the other two incidents........ don't cops get shot at every day in LA?  Will every shooting of a cop now be associated with Dorner?  I want proof.  That's all I'm saying, man.  LAPD didn't suddenly become trustworthy just because Dorner had a psychotic break.


So far - the only evidence of a Dorner-related shooting are the shootings perpetuated by the cops. Thursday - they attacked trucks. Friday they attacked residential homes, garages, cars, and utility poles. At least no one was injured in Friday's attack.

Source

As one resident says: "That's why we live here because it is safe," said the cardiologist technician. "It's ironic that the only violence we experienced here is from LAPD."
 
2013-02-09 10:00:57 AM  

Theory Of Null: In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.

Looks like he is sending them on a wild goose chase until he pops up again or to throw them off while flees the state entirely. My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide


Like I asked in the thread BronyMedic is referring to in one of his posts above:  about his identification.......................  how did his police badge end up with his identification?  Was he an ex-cop or not?  Was he still working as a cop until the Navy let him go on Friday? or was that his Navy badge that was left in the field, while his personal effects were found in a garbage bin elsewhere?

If he burned his truck, why wouldn't he burn his personal effects instead of just dumping them in a garbage bin?

This all makes for an interesting thriller, but after a while, certain things don't necessarily make sense.
 
2013-02-09 10:01:06 AM  

neversummer: I think this dude is prepared to hide for months. There's very little benefit in continuing these attacks in the short term. He's done enough to trigger the LAPD into a tailspin. Time is his friend now.


Quite likely.

If he waits a while, the furor will start to die down, the LAPD will let its guard down (you can't maintain a high state of alert forever), and he can hit another target.
 
2013-02-09 10:01:12 AM  

syrynxx: That guy's parting message makes it sound like LAPD are an Aryan Brotherhood front.  Want to beat up black people and get away with it?  Join the LAPD.
uncensored message


Hmm....  He actually  sounds like a pretty solid guy,  Wonder what the media will do with this full version.
 
2013-02-09 10:01:44 AM  
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2013-02-09 10:02:05 AM  

AcesFull:     When he murdered that mans' daughter,he declared he was playing no limit...all in.  It will be a fiery finish comparable to the SLA shootout...He will have to be shot to pieces and literally on fire before he kills himself..


I don't know man. I don't think they will take him alive. He feels they took his "life" once. He wont let them finish the job.
 
2013-02-09 10:02:14 AM  

Warlordtrooper: BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.

As opposes to the LAPD who is gunning down innocent civilians in their trucks

I'm actually concerned about the lack of outrage a lot of people seem to have for the fact that the LAPD is GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS in cars.


It's incredibly disturbing. But it's more than a lack of outrage. People are actually siding with the cops - defending the shooting of unarmed, innocent people.
 
2013-02-09 10:04:42 AM  

Warlordtrooper: As opposes to the LAPD who is gunning down innocent civilians in their trucks

I'm actually concerned about the lack of outrage a lot of people seem to have for the fact that the LAPD is GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS in cars.


You're assumption seems to be that someone either has to be outraged for one OR the other. It's not possible to be outraged about both at the same time, one must be vilified and the other held upon a pedestal.

In reality, the LAPD is vile and corrupt. They need to clean house, and I hope the feds do just that. That doesn't excuse nor justify gunning down innocent people.

ZeroPly: Kill people who need killing.


The daughter of a cop who had nothing to do with Dorner or the LAPD, and a basketball coach/lawyer who was loosely connected to him needed killing?

Oh, well. I'm sure they did something in the past to justify getting shot in the face. Maybe jaywalking, or took one penny without leaving one.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: That would be a garbled recollection of me. I want evidence. If he actually came out and said 'I took out these dudes at these locations' that's one thing. But the two cops following a truck they thought resembled Dorners (ORLY?) and come to find out it wasn't (of course), so they make a turn and somebody else shoots at them and suddenly the person who shoots at them is Dorner (ORLY?) -- that just smacks of stacking on cold cases to a murder trial just so they can be closed, who gives a fk if the suspect actually did it or not.  You know?


You really need to go into detail when you post something that makes you come off nuttier than the Sideshow Bob fanboys who way he's innocent when you post what you did yesterday. It's not a leap of logic at all to call you out for a conspiracy theory with that.

That's why I was so freakin' suprised at that. You're typically one of the more level headed, logical FARK posters on here.
 
2013-02-09 10:05:01 AM  

pyrotek85: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Looks like they survived fortunately

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57568368/christopher-dorner-manh un t-two-innocent-women-shot-by-lapd-officers-had-no-warning/


Yeah, that 70 year old lady is so alright, she's in the Intensive Care Unit.  It's just me, but there's a subtle difference between things being alright because you're in intensive care, and things being all fked to hell in back because you're in intensive care.
One subtlety says 'hey, it's no big deal after all that the cops shot at her because she'll live'; the other is 'why in god's name did they put that lady in the intensive care unit in the first place'?

Right now, the subtlety is the first one, so that being in the intensive care unit is placed on the same level as same-day care walking out no big deal.  You know what I mean?
 
2013-02-09 10:05:24 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Theory Of Null: In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.

Looks like he is sending them on a wild goose chase until he pops up again or to throw them off while flees the state entirely. My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide

Like I asked in the thread BronyMedic is referring to in one of his posts above:  about his identification.......................  how did his police badge end up with his identification?  Was he an ex-cop or not?  Was he still working as a cop until the Navy let him go on Friday? or was that his Navy badge that was left in the field, while his personal effects were found in a garbage bin elsewhere?

If he burned his truck, why wouldn't he burn his personal effects instead of just dumping them in a garbage bin?

This all makes for an interesting thriller, but after a while, certain things don't necessarily make sense.


Very little of it makes sense. So - sightings of the burned vehicle were reported at around 8am Thursday morning. According to official reports - they didn't check out the vehicle until later in the afternoon.
 
2013-02-09 10:07:33 AM  

Warlordtrooper: BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.

As opposes to the LAPD who is gunning down innocent civilians in their trucks

I'm actually concerned about the lack of outrage a lot of people seem to have for the fact that the LAPD is GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS in cars.


I think that's due to a scary cultural shift in our country.  Politicians and police are no longer seen as fellow citizens serving a post, they're viewed as ABOVE the rest of us.  You see it expressed in things like the AWB that exempts current AND retired police along with representatives.  It's supposed to be a government of , by, and for the people.  Instead we've drifted to a government of the people, by the elite, for the rich and my fellow lefties only seem to have a problem with the "for the rich" part because they generally tend to be conservative.  This country is in sorry shape and, to steal a line, "Certainly there are those more responsible than others, but if you want to look for the truly guilty... all you have to do is look in a mirror".
 
2013-02-09 10:07:40 AM  

iollow , bmihura: StoPPeRmobile: The Fourth Ammendment's time has come. The original framers of The Constitution had no idea that technology and society would progress to such a point of complexity and innovation. It is in society's interest to look within and root out all that may do harm to this great nation. No one needs to be secure, the authorities will provide for your protection. The only expense is a child not saved.

You're drinking early today!




The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

In order for society to be safe we must look within. This treads on The Fourth Ammendment in a way that The Fathers of The Constitution never planned. So it must go.
 
2013-02-09 10:09:17 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Yeah, that 70 year old lady is so alright, she's in the Intensive Care Unit.  It's just me, but there's a subtle difference between things being alright because you're in intensive care, and things being all fked to hell in back because you're in intensive care.


If she was shot in the hand, because of her age alone they'd put her in the intensive care unit because of the staffing ratios. People like that get lost on a floor where one nurse has to care for ten or so different patients at the same time. It's not necessarily because she's knocking on the death's door.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: One subtlety says 'hey, it's no big deal after all that the cops shot at her because she'll live'; the other is 'why in god's name did they put that lady in the intensive care unit in the first place'?


The question that anyone, even pro-Law Enforcement, should be asking is "Why the fark did you think it was acceptable to open up on a vehicle without even identifying a threat?" The actions of that officer involved are inexcusable, and reek of panic and anger.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Right now, the subtlety is the first one, so that being in the intensive care unit is placed on the same level as same-day care walking out no big deal.  You know what I mean?


Not necessarily. The cops usually don't have medical training. They'll tell the media someone's in "critical but stable condition". WTF?
 
2013-02-09 10:09:46 AM  

Kazujin: If he's sniper trained, the number one thing they teach is patience.
Now is his time to be patient.


I don't think he is sniper trained, if the Wikipedia article on him is correct:   He only received the "Marksman" award for rifle shooting, the lowest of three levels (Marksman, Sharpshooter, Expert).

I'm not a sniper quality shot by any means, and I never qualified lower than high sharpshooter when I was in the Army.  Usually, I shot low Expert or high Sharpshooter.

He did qualify as expert with a pistol, though, but the skills aren't necessarily 100% transferable.  Completely different type of shooting.
 
2013-02-09 10:10:15 AM  
    Mr. Dorner is suffering from terminal entitlement...
 
2013-02-09 10:10:40 AM  

jakomo002: dinch: I read his manifesto. He had some pretty salient points. Then he started talking about Tebow.

Same here. Some of the shockingly racist things that happen in the LAPD really surprised me. I thought they had cleaned that up, or at least tried.

I wasn't aware, for example, that one of the officers in the Rodney King tape (one swinging the baton) got a PROMOTION eventually, and now commands 200 LA police officers.

Or that if an LAPD officer calls a fellow officer a n*gger, he essentially gets a slap on the wrist.

But some of the other stuff seems, um, less than lucid.


Like this passage?

"You allow an officer, Thaniya Sungruenyos, to attempt to hack into my credit union account and still remain on the job even when Det. Zolezzi shows the evidence that the IP address (provided by LAPFCU) that attempted to hack into my account and change my username and password leads directly to her residence. You even allow this visibly disgusting looking officer to stay on the job when she perjures (lies) in court (Clark County Family Court) to the judge's face and denies hacking into my personal credit union online account when I attempted to get my restraint order extended. Det. Zolezzi provided the evidence and you still do nothing. How do you know when a police officer is lying??? When he begins his sentence with, "based on my experience and training". No one grows up and wants to be a cop killer. It was against everything I've ever was. As a young police explorer I found my calling in life. But, As a young police officer I found that the violent suspects on the street are not the only people you have to watch. It is the officer who was hired on to the department (pre-2000) before polygraphs were standard for all new hires and an substantial vetting in a backround investigation. To those children of the officers who are eradicated, your parent was not the individual you thought they were.  "

As there's a record that that happened, perhaps the IT folks here can explain why that's no big deal after all. I don't know, maybe it isn't.  To me, a co-worker trying to change my username and password who is not authorized to access my account information in any way or form (personally or with a writ from a supervisor) ... that's serious business.  From an IT standpoint, why wouldn't it be?
 
2013-02-09 10:14:28 AM  

BronyMedic: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Yeah, that 70 year old lady is so alright, she's in the Intensive Care Unit.  It's just me, but there's a subtle difference between things being alright because you're in intensive care, and things being all fked to hell in back because you're in intensive care.

If she was shot in the hand, because of her age alone they'd put her in the intensive care unit because of the staffing ratios. People like that get lost on a floor where one nurse has to care for ten or so different patients at the same time. It's not necessarily because she's knocking on the death's door.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: One subtlety says 'hey, it's no big deal after all that the cops shot at her because she'll live'; the other is 'why in god's name did they put that lady in the intensive care unit in the first place'?

The question that anyone, even pro-Law Enforcement, should be asking is "Why the fark did you think it was acceptable to open up on a vehicle without even identifying a threat?" The actions of that officer involved are inexcusable, and reek of panic and anger.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Right now, the subtlety is the first one, so that being in the intensive care unit is placed on the same level as same-day care walking out no big deal.  You know what I mean?

Not necessarily. The cops usually don't have medical training. They'll tell the media someone's in "critical but stable condition". WTF?


I'm sure you have sources for your conjecture about this woman.  She probably was just scared by all the noise.
 
2013-02-09 10:15:25 AM  

colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.


Generallyso is asking whether the two little old ladies, and the white dude whose truck also got rammed and shot at (headshot!) are the only incidents which have been reported since the first day, or have others also been reported (or been suppressed).  At least, I think that's what you're asking?

By the way, funny how when the info originally came down the wire, the word was that the two trucks *did* match the description, but when the internet got a hold of it and shiatloads of people started going to the news sites' online message boards and asking how the trucks could possibly match Dorner's because they saw the pictures elsewhere....................  the media changed the message, without acknowledging the change.
 
2013-02-09 10:16:18 AM  

dittybopper: neversummer: I think this dude is prepared to hide for months. There's very little benefit in continuing these attacks in the short term. He's done enough to trigger the LAPD into a tailspin. Time is his friend now.

Quite likely.

If he waits a while, the furor will start to die down, the LAPD will let its guard down (you can't maintain a high state of alert forever), and he can hit another target.




I'm thinking its either this or he's already fled the country.

When they got a general sense of his location they should have called out a militia/posse/whatever and wrapped a wall of manpower around there.
House to house with a handful of swat guys leaves too much open ground for him to use, and the more time passes the more we have to wonder if he's already escaped from the area.

Time isn't on the cops side. They need to clear that scene quickly or he's just as good as lost.

/Its also a good chance that he's eaten his gun already and this is just a body recovery.
/but a long wait with no evidence is a very bad thing.
 
2013-02-09 10:17:07 AM  
FTA: now is not the right time to wear a hoodie," Trone said.

www.enasha.com
 
2013-02-09 10:18:14 AM  

pyrotek85: NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....

You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?


/Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. He's farking bugshiat crazy, has killed innocent people, and will continue to do so unless stopped, and will probably force the police to gun him down like the rabid dog he is, which is what you do to rabid animals. You kill them, you kill them until they die from it.  I have 0 problems with this. He's not "innocent" at all, there is no doubt that he committed the crimes they said, and he said, he did.  He's crazy, and it would be better if they just invoked rule #.308 when they find his ass, which he will probably force them to do anyway, or kill himself like the coward he is.  Either way, as long as he's not sucking wind anymore, it's fine with me.
 
2013-02-09 10:18:50 AM  

MNguy: I'm sure you have sources for your conjecture about this woman.  She probably was just scared by all the noise.


Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what I said. Not the fact that she's a geriatric patient with a gunshot wound being taken into account.
 
2013-02-09 10:18:53 AM  

Bontesla: BronyMedic: Bontesla: Yeah. That's such an absurd, nonsensical theory. Really - if that were true - we'd see the LAPD lose their sh*t in an effort of trying to find and silence him before he had a chance to share his evidence. I mean - we'd see the LAPD ventilate two trucks with bullet holes - injuring innocent people.

Pictured: FARKer  Bontesla hard at work on his/her/it's next groundbreaking post.

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In the event you're not being snarky, and actually being serious, you're the same caliber of idiot who thinks James Holmes was a false flag attack, and the aspie in Newtown was planted to let Obama come get our guns. Please, please tell me you're being snarky.

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Never attempt to relate to conspiracy what can be related to incompetence combined with anger.

Stop being ridiculous.

Do you know that as of last week - there were a gang of seven (working out of the sheriff's office) that would kill "gang members" and then tattoo themselves as a victory? They literally created notches on their body to boast how many people they've killed. But have no fear - we're much safer now. They were fired.

I mean - if you killed seven or eight men - you'd face prison. But they were fired - with no announcement that there would be a continued investigation or possible criminal charges. They were merely fired. For murder. This isn't a conspiracy. This was big news. To pretend that law enforcement officers aren't capable of this is to be ignorant of history. To assume that the LAPD is guilty of a crime is to be launching insane and absurd accusations. To assume Dorner is innocent of charges is equally absurd. We have a goddamned justice system to sort this sh*t out.

I'm not saying that Dorner is innocent. I'm saying that the LAPD is trying to execute a witness and main suspect of a murder investigation. This isn't normal behavior.


By automatically jumping to insults means you have nothing meaningful to add as a d ...



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ all this and more.

By the way, in Brony's defense, he's a paramedic.
 
2013-02-09 10:19:01 AM  

BronyMedic: The question that anyone, even pro-Law Enforcement, should be asking is "Why the fark did you think it was acceptable to open up on a vehicle without even identifying a threat?" The actions of that officer involved are inexcusable, and reek of panic and anger.


The police have gotten to the point where they are above criticism.  You never see truly investigative reports on the police or their actions.  In a way, they have succeeded in their goal of making the general population fear them to the point that they no longer raise criticisms due to fear of retaliation.
 
2013-02-09 10:19:55 AM  
read his words; the man was pushed over the edge. this was a military man who became a law man and was proud of his country and his service to it. he tried to do the right thing and was kicked in the teeth for having values and morals.

in the first thread FARK had on this news there were many CA Farkers with seething hatred for LAPD due to the things they have seen, heard and read over the years. seems apparent their house is very dirty yet no one in charge higher on the food chain steps up to clean house.

i feel bad for this fellow for being pushed so far and having his head get so twisted that he lashed out at people with bullets. knowing there are web sites dedicated to reporting the massive daily fark-ups done by trained professional law enforcement experts coast to coast on a daily basis, and that these same sites are never lacking for news stories makes me sad that America has the type of law enforcement our rich wealthy assclowns in WashDC have put in place.

the bad guys are bad and it seems like most of the good guys are bad - or at the very least they are highly disturbed individuals deeply in need of counseling and they are the last people who should be given firearms, a utility belt filled with weapons & restraints and carte blanche to use them.

nothing is going to change, it's just going to get worse. our biatching and moaning or interfacing together in an intelligent and respectful manner is just chit chat. next week or next month there will be something even more horrendous. what's a mother to do.
 
2013-02-09 10:20:36 AM  

StrangeQ: The police have gotten to the point where they are above criticism.  You never see truly investigative reports on the police or their actions.  In a way, they have succeeded in their goal of making the general population fear them to the point that they no longer raise criticisms due to fear of retaliation.


All the more reason that the United States should take a page from the ACPO and the UK's book on policing and federally mandate departmentally unaffiliated  transparent public review boards for any accusation of officer misconduct or officer-involved shooting.
 
2013-02-09 10:20:54 AM  

BronyMedic: The question that anyone, even pro-Law Enforcement, should be asking is "Why the fark did you think it was acceptable to open up on a vehicle without even identifying a threat?" The actions of that officer involved are inexcusable, and reek of panic and anger.


Two months from now: A police investigatory panel have investigated and determined that there was no fault by the officer. He's been commended and received a "good for you" bonus and medal.
 
2013-02-09 10:22:25 AM  
Many years ago I was in the CA National Guard and was called up for the Rodney King roots.  We were stationed in Rampart and it was a mess- burnt buildings, crazy armed shopkeepers, tons of gangs driving around,  scared inhabitants, etc.

They were mostly scared of the reprisals from the LAPD though.  More than once I had locals come up to give us cookies or something and thank us for protecting them.  naive white guy I was at the time I thought it was a little odd, until the Rampart police scandals came to light shortly afterwards.

Dorner's a murdering scumbag, but I'm not sure his comments are wrong.
 
2013-02-09 10:22:27 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: "Black men [in LA] should avoid even the most banal confrontations with the police...make sure you cooperate with the police; now is not the right time to wear a hoodie."

Sounds an awful lot like "She was asking for it, just look how short that skirt is."


Exactly.  I was thinking more along the lines what every psychopathic killer says to his (soon-to-be) victims...."Look at what you made me do!"
 
2013-02-09 10:22:48 AM  

BronyMedic: StrangeQ: The police have gotten to the point where they are above criticism.  You never see truly investigative reports on the police or their actions.  In a way, they have succeeded in their goal of making the general population fear them to the point that they no longer raise criticisms due to fear of retaliation.

All the more reason that the United States should take a page from the ACPO and the UK's book on policing and federally mandate departmentally unaffiliated  transparent public review boards for any accusation of officer misconduct or officer-involved shooting.


This is a very very good idea.
 
2013-02-09 10:23:30 AM  

Bontesla: iron_city_ap: neversummer: I think this dude is prepared to hide for months. There's very little benefit in continuing these attacks in the short term. He's done enough to trigger the LAPD into a tailspin. Time is his friend now.

Exactly. He'll lay low till they calm down, then he'll strike again. Followed by disappearing while they freak out. Rinse. Repeat.

I don't think so. This guy is convinced there's a conspiracy within the LAPD. He's either delusional, dishonest, or is trying to expose corruption at some fairly high levels.

My money is on either delusion or exposure. I'd speculate that he's going to try to contact the media. He's already reached out to Anderson Cooper. I would be surprised if other "news" anchors haven't received something they're trying to independently verify. He's written a really lengthy, rambling manifesto trying to communicate events that he's convinced happened. I think he wants to get the story out. That comes across as his main objective.

I think we're going to see more "evidence" surface. The evidence will either highlight psychosis or corruption.

That's how I forecast it.


He's not delusional - about the LAPD.  He's had a psychotic break, but he's not delusional about the culture within the LAPD.  He's given names, dates, details.  He's attempted to keep a paper trail.  This is exposure.

Now, he's delusional that killing anyone is going to resolve anything.  But at least he's also not naive enough to assume that completely playing by the rules is the only way to get things done.  It is not.  He gave information to the media which sat unread and untouched until somebody got killed?  Perfect example that playing by the rules completely is not the only way to get shiat done.  (Is there a Freakonomics chapter on that?)
 
2013-02-09 10:23:32 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: pyrotek85: NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....

You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?

/Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. He's farking bugshiat crazy, has killed innocent people, and will continue to do so unless stopped, and will probably force the police to gun him down like the rabid dog he is, which is what you do to rabid animals. You kill them, you kill them until they die from it.  I have 0 problems with this. He's not "innocent" at all, there is no doubt that he committed the crimes they said, and he said, he did.  He's crazy, and it would be better if they just invoked rule #.308 when they find his ass, which he will probably force them to do anyway, or kill himself like the coward he is.  Either way, as long as he's not sucking wind anymore, it's fine with me.


He hasn't been convicted of killing anyone. He's a suspect in the murder of three people. We haven't actually seen evidence (as this usually happens during court proceedings) to establish his guilt. We only have the accusations of a infamously, notoriously corrupt police force. The same police force he has accused of serious crimes. The police have responded by shooting at anything in the general direction that may or may not be Dorner.

There's something very serious going on. Dorner is the primary suspect in a murder investigation and the primary witness in some very serious charges. The LAPD is choosing to kill their primary suspect and primary witness.
 
2013-02-09 10:23:37 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: By the way, in Brony's defense, he's a paramedic.


To be fair, I'm not a  serialkiller, but it's nothing a few hundred thousand volts won't fix at any rate. Really, the human body is just like a potato clock.

At any rate, if things do go wrong, you can always cut up the body and dump them at strategically placed points in the city. If you look at them on a map, they should form a smiley face.

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2013-02-09 10:23:46 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: In order for society to be safe we must look within.


And that, my friend, is where you are wrong. In order for society to really be safe, we must refuse to stop trusting one another. This "blaze-of-glory exit" only became possible when we stopped trusting people to do the right thing: instead of banding together to protect one another, we cowered in a form of mutual helplessness. That has to change if we are going to be safe again: we don't need to have armed guards, we need to be armed guards.

This doesn't necessarily mean putting a gun in every hand, but it does mean more guns in more hands: enough to pin down a blaze-of-glory shooter long before the body count gets too high. You don't have to reduce the potential count to zero, which isn't possible anyway: you only have to reduce it enough that it's no longer worth trying for in the eyes of these shooters. Do that, and the shootings stop, and the body count goes to zero anyway: even the shooter gets saved, and no one's rights are violated. Everyone wins.
 
2013-02-09 10:24:23 AM  

Theory Of Null: In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.

Looks like he is sending them on a wild goose chase until he pops up again or to throw them off while flees the state entirely. My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide


My bet is on the latter.  Body within 1/4 mile radius of the truck.
 
2013-02-09 10:25:32 AM  

Theaetetus: BronyMedic: The question that anyone, even pro-Law Enforcement, should be asking is "Why the fark did you think it was acceptable to open up on a vehicle without even identifying a threat?" The actions of that officer involved are inexcusable, and reek of panic and anger.

Two months from now: A police investigatory panel have investigated and determined that there was no fault by the officer. He's been commended and received a "good for you" bonus and medal.


Guarantee it, has happened before.  If I had a restraining order against someone who had a hit list and was going around killing people and I lit up some random truck delivering papers because it LOOKED like the suspect's truck I would never be let out of prison.  These officers won't even be suspended, the city will just pay off the victims.
 
2013-02-09 10:25:35 AM  
Couple more random shootings by police of innocent citizens, couple more police apologists telling black people not to wear hoodies or do anything other than drop to the ground when they see a police officer, and Dorner is going to become a hero to the subset of the population that is normally terrorized by the LAPD. I wouldn't be surprised to see people offering to hide him, and an increase in the number of false sightings all over the county. He could probably disappear in Compton right now.
 
2013-02-09 10:28:43 AM  
Dormer has got to still be alive.

He knows how the cops are going to look for him.  His manifesto mentions he will use surprise tactics.  That likely includes "waiting things out" until his notoriety fades for the time being.   He knows that all it takes for him to get off the headlines is for Lindsay Lohan to flash her crotch again.

This guy felt he was wronged back in 2009.  That means he has had three to four years of planning this stuff out.  I doubt he woke up one morning and decided to carry this out.  He has a plan, and as someone mentioned earlier, time is his friend right now.  I'm guessing that part of his plan is to get the corruption in the LAPD to be front and center in the headlines.  And by him sitting around doing nothing, the attention goes from the murders to investigating his claims in the manifesto.

He probably know exactly what he's doing right about now.
 
2013-02-09 10:30:44 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Bontesla: iron_city_ap: neversummer: I think this dude is prepared to hide for months. There's very little benefit in continuing these attacks in the short term. He's done enough to trigger the LAPD into a tailspin. Time is his friend now.

Exactly. He'll lay low till they calm down, then he'll strike again. Followed by disappearing while they freak out. Rinse. Repeat.

I don't think so. This guy is convinced there's a conspiracy within the LAPD. He's either delusional, dishonest, or is trying to expose corruption at some fairly high levels.

My money is on either delusion or exposure. I'd speculate that he's going to try to contact the media. He's already reached out to Anderson Cooper. I would be surprised if other "news" anchors haven't received something they're trying to independently verify. He's written a really lengthy, rambling manifesto trying to communicate events that he's convinced happened. I think he wants to get the story out. That comes across as his main objective.

I think we're going to see more "evidence" surface. The evidence will either highlight psychosis or corruption.

That's how I forecast it.

He's not delusional - about the LAPD.  He's had a psychotic break, but he's not delusional about the culture within the LAPD.  He's given names, dates, details.  He's attempted to keep a paper trail.  This is exposure.

Now, he's delusional that killing anyone is going to resolve anything.  But at least he's also not naive enough to assume that completely playing by the rules is the only way to get things done.  It is not.  He gave information to the media which sat unread and untouched until somebody got killed?  Perfect example that playing by the rules completely is not the only way to get shiat done.  (Is there a Freakonomics chapter on that?)


I don't know if he's killed the fiance/daughter or the police officer. That's what the court system is for. They're the fact finders. We hire them to establish the facts. I have yet to see any facts about this case (and that makes sense - why tip your hand before court?). But right now - he's only a suspect in the killing of three people.
 
2013-02-09 10:30:44 AM  

LessO2: Dormer has got to still be alive.

He knows how the cops are going to look for him.  His manifesto mentions he will use surprise tactics.  That likely includes "waiting things out" until his notoriety fades for the time being.   He knows that all it takes for him to get off the headlines is for Lindsay Lohan to flash her crotch again.


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2013-02-09 10:32:40 AM  

BronyMedic: In reality, the LAPD is vile and corrupt. They need to clean house, and I hope the feds do just that.


That just might happen now, thanks to what Dorner did.

That doesn't excuse nor justify gunning down innocent people.

What are your thoughts on the trolly problem? Most people find it acceptable to kill the saboteur (LAPD) in order to save the innocent victims (victims of LAPD violence).
 
2013-02-09 10:32:53 AM  

Another Government Employee: Theory Of Null: In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.

Looks like he is sending them on a wild goose chase until he pops up again or to throw them off while flees the state entirely. My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide

My bet is on the latter.  Body within 1/4 mile radius of the truck.


Self-inflicted wound or murder?
 
2013-02-09 10:34:23 AM  

Fail in Human Form: To be safe you might want to work on your concealment. I suggest purchasing a pair of ACUs


i40.photobucket.com

ACU pattern cammo sucks.

Glad the Army finaly figured out we're not the Marines, and are switching from a 'cool' pixel cammo to multi-cam
 
2013-02-09 10:35:32 AM  

fredklein: What are your thoughts on the trolly problem? Most people find it acceptable to kill the saboteur (LAPD) in order to save the innocent victims (victims of LAPD violence).


Actually, reading your link there, only about 10% would. And those who did tended to have Sociopath or Machiavellian leanings.
 
2013-02-09 10:36:16 AM  

MythDragon: ACU pattern cammo sucks.

Glad the Army finaly figured out we're not the Marines, and are switching from a 'cool' pixel cammo to multi-cam


Well said.
 
2013-02-09 10:37:16 AM  

BronyMedic: If she was shot in the hand, because of her age alone they'd put her in the intensive care unit because of the staffing ratios. People like that get lost on a floor where one nurse has to care for ten or so different patients at the same time. It's not necessarily because she's knocking on the death's door.


"Carranza suffered minor injuries to her hand from shattering glass.

Hernandez, who was shot in the back, is in ICU at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center."

Shot in the BACK, and in ICU.

I mean, if you aren't even familiar with the basic facts of the case, why are you arguing at all?
 
2013-02-09 10:39:15 AM  

fredklein: I mean, if you aren't even familiar with the basic facts of the case, why are you arguing at all?


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2013-02-09 10:40:07 AM  

MNguy: I'm sure you have sources for your conjecture about this woman. She probably was just scared by all the noise.


There's a link furthe rup the thread:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57568368/christopher-dorner-manhu n t-two-innocent-women-shot-by-lapd-officers-had-no-warning/
"Carranza suffered minor injuries to her hand from shattering glass.

Hernandez, who was shot in the back, is in ICU at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center."
 
2013-02-09 10:41:00 AM  
While I do not in any way condone violence of this calibre against people who have wronged you and especially not against their innocent family members, I don't believe that all of Dorner's credibility dissolves because he chose to resort to such extreme methods in order to have his (seemingly serious and legitimate) claims against the LAPD heard.

Regardless of the crimes Dorner is committing now (which are serious and he needs to be stopped - again, not condoning the killing of anyone or calling him a hero), the allegations he raised against the LAPD need to be investigated. It's rather telling that the cops appear to be shooting at anything everything even tangentially resembling Dorner or his truck. If they truly had nothing to hide, they would be trying to bring him in to be charged for his crimes in court, not clearly wanting him executed immediately so he cannot speak for himself.

Clearly something happened to this previously sane individual to drive him to what he is currently doing, and to dismiss these reasons as nonsense is asinine.

I hope they find him and bring him in alive, but we all know that's not likely to happen.

This is just a farked up situation all around.
 
2013-02-09 10:44:50 AM  

fredklein: BronyMedic: If she was shot in the hand, because of her age alone they'd put her in the intensive care unit because of the staffing ratios. People like that get lost on a floor where one nurse has to care for ten or so different patients at the same time. It's not necessarily because she's knocking on the death's door.

"Carranza suffered minor injuries to her hand from shattering glass.

Hernandez, who was shot in the back, is in ICU at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center."

Shot in the BACK, and in ICU.



It was probably just the back of her hand, and they're being extra careful because she's old and fragile. amiright Brony?
 
2013-02-09 10:45:29 AM  

Brittabot: While I do not in any way condone violence of this calibre against people who have wronged you and especially not against their innocent family members, I don't believe that all of Dorner's credibility dissolves because he chose to resort to such extreme methods in order to have his (seemingly serious and legitimate) claims against the LAPD heard.

Regardless of the crimes Dorner is committing now (which are serious and he needs to be stopped - again, not condoning the killing of anyone or calling him a hero), the allegations he raised against the LAPD need to be investigated. It's rather telling that the cops appear to be shooting at anything everything even tangentially resembling Dorner or his truck. If they truly had nothing to hide, they would be trying to bring him in to be charged for his crimes in court, not clearly wanting him executed immediately so he cannot speak for himself.

Clearly something happened to this previously sane individual to drive him to what he is currently doing, and to dismiss these reasons as nonsense is asinine.

I hope they find him and bring him in alive, but we all know that's not likely to happen.

This is just a farked up situation all around.


this.
 
2013-02-09 10:51:00 AM  

Bontesla: It's incredibly disturbing. But it's more than a lack of outrage. People are actually siding with the cops - defending the shooting of unarmed, innocent people.


I haven't heard anyone do that yet, but if anyone dares to within earshot, they are going to hear all about what kind of morons they are.
 
2013-02-09 10:52:19 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. He's farking bugshiat crazy, has killed innocent people, and will continue to do so unless stopped,


Unlike the cops themselves, who have a Loooooong history of abusing people, and have shot up at least two trucks full of innocent people.
 
2013-02-09 10:54:54 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: pyrotek85: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Looks like they survived fortunately

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57568368/christopher-dorner-manh un t-two-innocent-women-shot-by-lapd-officers-had-no-warning/

Yeah, that 70 year old lady is so alright, she's in the Intensive Care Unit.  It's just me, but there's a subtle difference between things being alright because you're in intensive care, and things being all fked to hell in back because you're in intensive care.
One subtlety says 'hey, it's no big deal after all that the cops shot at her because she'll live'; the other is 'why in god's name did they put that lady in the intensive care unit in the first place'?

Right now, the subtlety is the first one, so that being in the intensive care unit is placed on the same level as same-day care walking out no big deal.  You know what I mean?


Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say she's alright or its no big deal, I just said she's not dead, which I think is usually better than the alternative but its still bad. The cops screwed up big time.
 
2013-02-09 11:02:16 AM  
A co-worker of mine was checked out by the police on Thursday evening while waiting at a bus stop because someone called in that he looked like the guy who had killed the cops. Yes, he was black and he is heavy guy like the shooter, besides that he looks nothing like the shooter. Here comes the Fark worthy part; this was in O'Fallon, IL.
 
2013-02-09 11:02:27 AM  

BronyMedic: fredklein: What are your thoughts on the trolly problem? Most people find it acceptable to kill the saboteur (LAPD) in order to save the innocent victims (victims of LAPD violence).

Actually, reading your link there, only about 10% would. And those who did tended to have Sociopath or Machiavellian leanings.


Wrong.

http://www.philosophyexperiments.com/fatman/Default4.aspx


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2013-02-09 11:02:36 AM  

BronyMedic: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Yeah, that 70 year old lady is so alright, she's in the Intensive Care Unit.  It's just me, but there's a subtle difference between things being alright because you're in intensive care, and things being all fked to hell in back because you're in intensive care.

If she was shot in the hand, because of her age alone they'd put her in the intensive care unit because of the staffing ratios. People like that get lost on a floor where one nurse has to care for ten or so different patients at the same time. It's not necessarily because she's knocking on the death's door.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: One subtlety says 'hey, it's no big deal after all that the cops shot at her because she'll live'; the other is 'why in god's name did they put that lady in the intensive care unit in the first place'?

The question that anyone, even pro-Law Enforcement, should be asking is "Why the fark did you think it was acceptable to open up on a vehicle without even identifying a threat?" The actions of that officer involved are inexcusable, and reek of panic and anger.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Right now, the subtlety is the first one, so that being in the intensive care unit is placed on the same level as same-day care walking out no big deal.  You know what I mean?

Not necessarily. The cops usually don't have medical training. They'll tell the media someone's in "critical but stable condition". WTF?


The older woman was shot twice in the back. The younger woman's hand was injured by the shattered glass from the bullets going through the window, per the LA Times reports.

The people interviewed about the shooting from the neighborhood were describing the fact that their houses and cars were all shot to hell. The cops uncorked and shot up the whole neighborhood and they should be put in front of a Grand Jury. Reckless shootings by cops should be treated the same as reckless shootings by civilians.

The LAPD is an awful organization that has been rotting from within for decades. There's no doubt about that. Whomever the officers were that shot up the other vehicle should get the same GJ treatment as the ones shooting up that neighborhood. The whole organization needs an enema of epic proportions all the way to the top. That doesn't justify assassinating people in uniform, though. I don't think the LAPD is above murdering this guy if he's found alive and unresisting at some point which doesn't make them any better if that's how it goes.

As to this crazy dude, and make no mistake: he's crazy even if he's right about the abuses he wrote about, he's an asshole if he shot the woman and her dude just for being related to someone involved in his case. That's not in question. He did write that their families were fair game and most decidedly on his list, so it isn't unlikely he is the person that shot them. It isn't proven in evidence I'm aware of either, so there's that.

I find this whole thing ghoulishly interesting for some reason. I can't seem to ignore it, so bleh to me.

I expect that we won't hear from this guy for a long time, if ever. Whether that's because he has died in the mountains or otherwise DB Coopered himself remains to be seen.
 
2013-02-09 11:03:37 AM  

Theaetetus: fredklein: I mean, if you aren't even familiar with the basic facts of the case, why are you arguing at all?

youmustbenewhere.jpg


Let me rephrase that- "if he isn't even familiar with the basic facts of the case, why are arguing with him?" :-)
 
2013-02-09 11:07:10 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-09 11:09:22 AM  

dr_blasto: The LAPD is an awful organization that has been rotting from within for decades. There's no doubt about that. Whomever the officers were that shot up the other vehicle should get the same GJ treatment as the ones shooting up that neighborhood. The whole organization needs an enema of epic proportions all the way to the top. That doesn't justify assassinating people in uniform, though. I don't think the LAPD is above murdering this guy if he's found alive and unresisting at some point which doesn't make them any better if that's how it goes.


This. Fire everyone from the top down. Get the FBI or state troopers to pick up the slack in the meantime. The officers can have the option of being rehired, but they go under the farking microscope.
 
2013-02-09 11:11:40 AM  
"...banal confrontations"? While this man clearly does not know his audience, my hipster dating site now has a name!
 
2013-02-09 11:12:41 AM  
 
2013-02-09 11:12:51 AM  

pyrotek85: NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....

You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?


There's always some coontbag who makes this conclusion when someone says "I hope that bastard gets his."

No, you retard, he's not advocating for such a cutthroat system of instant death. He's hoping the guy in question attacks the authorities and gets his comeuppance at the end of a bullet's flight path.
 
2013-02-09 11:13:35 AM  

BronyMedic: To be fair, I'm not a  serialkiller, but it's nothing a few hundred thousand volts won't fix at any rate. Really, the human body is just like a potato clock.


You mean like every morning the cops find a body, and every morning I get a potato clock?
 
2013-02-09 11:19:35 AM  

dr_blasto: The cops uncorked and shot up the whole neighborhood and they should be put in front of a Grand Jury.


And therein lies the problem, because that rarely, if ever, happens.  The cops literally get away with murder in this country, and yet the majority of the population doesn't seem to mind.
 
2013-02-09 11:19:44 AM  

LessO2: Dormer has got to still be alive.

He knows how the cops are going to look for him.  His manifesto mentions he will use surprise tactics.  That likely includes "waiting things out" until his notoriety fades for the time being.   He knows that all it takes for him to get off the headlines is for Lindsay Lohan to flash her crotch again.

This guy felt he was wronged back in 2009.  That means he has had three to four years of planning this stuff out.  I doubt he woke up one morning and decided to carry this out.  He has a plan, and as someone mentioned earlier, time is his friend right now.  I'm guessing that part of his plan is to get the corruption in the LAPD to be front and center in the headlines.  And by him sitting around doing nothing, the attention goes from the murders to investigating his claims in the manifesto.

He probably know exactly what he's doing right about now.


My guess is he figured on LAPD overreaction (which happens to *everything* that LAPD is involved in) and thought they'd tie their own noose, put their own head in, and jump off the gallows themselves.

LAPD appears to be obliging him, given that they put an elderly female lawyer in the hospital with a gunshot wound to the back.
 
2013-02-09 11:22:12 AM  
This just in, exclusive footage from the manhunt
http://youtu.be/a8jphxpi1ro
 
2013-02-09 11:22:39 AM  

Bontesla: I sincerely hope that Dorner is out of California by now. They're trying to execute him.


...because they have to.
 
2013-02-09 11:24:15 AM  

BronyMedic: Madbassist1: Shut up, bootlicker.

Awww. Someone's still mad.

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Nice to see in addition to being a lulzcow who has cried for weeks because he got a two day time out, you're also one of the Dorner hero worshippers who think that it's perfectly okay to murder innocent people who had nothing to do with what happened to him.

That makes me an authoritarian, apparantly, because I don't think it's okay to target innocent family members and people who had nothing to do with it. It would have even been UNDERSTANDABLE had he targeted someone who was directly involved. Not excusable, but understandable.

biatch, please.

RDixon: Why do you think he is a hero?

Oh, please don't be such a fail troll. You've been here since 2003. You've cheered him on in this thread. At least have the integrity to stand by your comments. Own it, brother!


Where's the thread for farkers who think both parties are scum?

Easily half of LAPD deserves a bullet, it's just not mine or his place to hand them out.

And surely that includes Dorner, supposing he did indeed kill innocent civilians for being tangentially related to his case. Because, what the fark, dude.
 
2013-02-09 11:26:09 AM  

LavenderWolf: pyrotek85: NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....

You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?

There's always some coontbag who makes this conclusion when someone says "I hope that bastard gets his."

No, you retard, he's not advocating for such a cutthroat system of instant death. He's hoping the guy in question attacks the authorities and gets his comeuppance at the end of a bullet's flight path.


Well it certainly sounds like it, I hope he gets caught not killed outright. Regardless of what he did they should be trying to apprehend him so he can face justice, not kill him on sight. But he might just get his wish with the way they were all too eager to open up on those civilians yesterday.
 
2013-02-09 11:27:43 AM  

BronyMedic: Bontesla: Yeah. That's such an absurd, nonsensical theory. Really - if that were true - we'd see the LAPD lose their sh*t in an effort of trying to find and silence him before he had a chance to share his evidence. I mean - we'd see the LAPD ventilate two trucks with bullet holes - injuring innocent people.

Pictured: FARKer  Bontesla hard at work on his/her/it's next groundbreaking post.

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In the event you're not being snarky, and actually being serious, you're the same caliber of idiot who thinks James Holmes was a false flag attack, and the aspie in Newtown was planted to let Obama come get our guns. Please, please tell me you're being snarky.

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Never attempt to relate to conspiracy what can be related to incompetence combined with anger.


Come on, Brony, you're better than this. Refute others on what they say, not the things you can connect tangentially with what they say.
 
2013-02-09 11:28:34 AM  
www.soundstagedirect.com
Apply the soundtrack, and get ready for the climax.
 
2013-02-09 11:29:34 AM  

pyrotek85: LavenderWolf: pyrotek85: NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....

You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?

There's always some coontbag who makes this conclusion when someone says "I hope that bastard gets his."

No, you retard, he's not advocating for such a cutthroat system of instant death. He's hoping the guy in question attacks the authorities and gets his comeuppance at the end of a bullet's flight path.

Well it certainly sounds like it, I hope he gets caught not killed outright. Regardless of what he did they should be trying to apprehend him so he can face justice, not kill him on sight. But he might just get his wish with the way they were all too eager to open up on those civilians yesterday.


It's just really, really irritating when someone says that in reply to what is clearly an emotional cry for justice to go wrong.

I mean, when I say "I hope the cops shoot his ass." that does not mean I wish for the laws to be changed to allow the police to just execute whomever they like. Just means I wish the cops get an excuse/reason to do it.
 
2013-02-09 11:32:59 AM  

MNguy: It was probably just the back of her hand, and they're being extra careful because she's old and fragile. amiright Brony?


Yeah, that's exactly what I said, even though I pointed out anyone who's elderly with a gunshot wound will get an ICU bed.

images.encyclopediadramatica.se
 
2013-02-09 11:35:23 AM  

dinch: I read his manifesto. He had some pretty salient points. Then he started talking about Tebow.


Sigh. So because he is an independent thinker and doesn't follow the Fark Lib/"Prog" agenda down to every single niggling detailed point, you're discounting his statements?

Seriously, do you have any idea how stupid and ant-like that makes you look? Apparently not.

You should study some of the serious authors and thinkers in the field, such as Felix the Cat.

/first couple of lines from an old Felix the Cat cartoon song:
//to the tune of "This Old Man"
///Marching ants, marching ants,
///Rootin' tootin' marching ants...
 
2013-02-09 11:37:59 AM  

missiv: [www.soundstagedirect.com image 350x370]
Apply the soundtrack, and get ready for the climax.

 
2013-02-09 11:38:17 AM  

danielscissorhands: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Last item I read about this case concerned the LAPD's attempted murder of a couple of white(?) women. Have they decided to narrow their focus?

White? LAPD? Noooo.... They were Mexican!


Jackpot!!

No more newspapering!
 
2013-02-09 11:39:34 AM  
Well I'm about to get upset
From watching my TV
Checking out the news
Until my eyeballs cannot see.
I mean to say that every day
Is just another rotten mess
And when it's gonna change again
Is anybody's guess.
 
2013-02-09 11:42:24 AM  

LavenderWolf: He's hoping the guy in question attacks the authorities and gets his comeuppance at the end of a bullet's flight path.


Oh, yes, that's much better than being brought in alive and standing trial.  How silly of us to think that's a bit too much like an execution.
 
2013-02-09 11:42:31 AM  

LavenderWolf: pyrotek85: LavenderWolf: pyrotek85: NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....

You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?

There's always some coontbag who makes this conclusion when someone says "I hope that bastard gets his."

No, you retard, he's not advocating for such a cutthroat system of instant death. He's hoping the guy in question attacks the authorities and gets his comeuppance at the end of a bullet's flight path.

Well it certainly sounds like it, I hope he gets caught not killed outright. Regardless of what he did they should be trying to apprehend him so he can face justice, not kill him on sight. But he might just get his wish with the way they were all too eager to open up on those civilians yesterday.

It's just really, really irritating when someone says that in reply to what is clearly an emotional cry for justice to go wrong.

I mean, when I say "I hope the cops shoot his ass." that does not mean I wish for the laws to be changed to allow the police to just execute whomever they like. Just means I wish the cops get an excuse/reason to do it.


I'm sorry you feel that way, but it irritates me when people wish for justice to go wrong. I'm not the least bit happy about what he did (and I have little doubt that he did it), but I don't think it's healthy to think this way. I know it's just a few people letting their emotions talk on the internet, but what happens when that becomes reality? It sounds like the LAPD is already there, with their reckless behavior yesterday. They need to cool down or more innocents are going to get hurt.
 
2013-02-09 11:42:49 AM  
BronyMedic:

Yeah, that's exactly what I said, even though I pointed out anyone who's elderly with a gunshot wound will get an ICU bed.

You're right.  I'm sure it's just a precautionary measure in this case.  She should just rub some dirt on it.
 
2013-02-09 11:42:58 AM  

GUTSU: missiv: [www.soundstagedirect.com image 350x370]
Apply the soundtrack, and get ready for the climax.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-09 11:43:50 AM  

BronyMedic: Madbassist1: Shut up, bootlicker.

Awww. Someone's still mad.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 342x456]

Nice to see in addition to being a lulzcow who has cried for weeks because he got a two day time out, you're also one of the Dorner hero worshippers who think that it's perfectly okay to murder innocent people who had nothing to do with what happened to him.



No, you just annoy me, cocksucker. You fantasize about being an LEO and it shows. You are a small, petty man.
 
2013-02-09 11:46:22 AM  

BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.


He kills an innocent woman, we put THREE innocent women in the hospital.
That's the LAPD way!
 
2013-02-09 11:47:15 AM  

Karac: BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.

He kills an innocent woman, we put THREE innocent women in the hospital.
That's the LAPD way!


He wont address that. That's hard.
 
2013-02-09 11:48:01 AM  
Get ready to see this happen more frequently.
 
2013-02-09 11:48:02 AM  
My Prediction?

filmchatter.files.wordpress.com

It's like 15 degrees in Big Bear.  This guy lost his ID in San Diego.  He fouled the propeller on his get-away boat.  Then the police almost had him at a stop.  Then, another drive-by murder of opportunity, then Big Bear.  John Rambo he is not.

Could be wrong, but I'd bet he's a popsicle by now.
 
2013-02-09 11:49:46 AM  

LavenderWolf: pyrotek85: LavenderWolf: pyrotek85: NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....

You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?

There's always some coontbag who makes this conclusion when someone says "I hope that bastard gets his."

No, you retard, he's not advocating for such a cutthroat system of instant death. He's hoping the guy in question attacks the authorities and gets his comeuppance at the end of a bullet's flight path.

Well it certainly sounds like it, I hope he gets caught not killed outright. Regardless of what he did they should be trying to apprehend him so he can face justice, not kill him on sight. But he might just get his wish with the way they were all too eager to open up on those civilians yesterday.

It's just really, really irritating when someone says that in reply to what is clearly an emotional cry for justice to go wrong.

I mean, when I say "I hope the cops shoot his ass." that does not mean I wish for the laws to be changed to allow the police to just execute whomever they like. Just means I wish the cops get an excuse/reason to do it.


Which doesn't make it better.

We have a criminal justice system to distribute justice. We either trust in it or we don't. If we don't then we need to reform the system.

None of these options include hoping that the police can justifiably kill someone they're in pursuit of. This is especially the case since we have yet to see any facts presented that actually condemn the suspect.
 
2013-02-09 11:51:19 AM  

pyrotek85: I'm sorry you feel that way, but it irritates me when people wish for justice to go wrong. I'm not the least bit happy about what he did (and I have little doubt that he did it), but I don't think it's healthy to think this way. I know it's just a few people letting their emotions talk on the internet, but what happens when that becomes reality? It sounds like the LAPD is already there, with their reckless behavior yesterday. They need to cool down or more innocents are going to get hurt.


I hope they catch him just so the goddamn cops stop shooting people.
I'd also wager some money that he dies before trial, even if he turns himself in peacefully.  They want him dead, badly.
 
2013-02-09 11:52:08 AM  

Molavian: Get ready to see this happen more frequently.


Why? I don't think this is or will be common. He's an anomaly.
 
2013-02-09 11:54:03 AM  

tinyarena: My Prediction?

[filmchatter.files.wordpress.com image 300x200]

It's like 15 degrees in Big Bear.  This guy lost his ID in San Diego.  He fouled the propeller on his get-away boat.  Then the police almost had him at a stop.  Then, another drive-by murder of opportunity, then Big Bear.  John Rambo he is not.

Could be wrong, but I'd bet he's a popsicle by now.


This is why I kinda doubt he went off into the mountains, it's pretty hard to evade capture while trying to survive in that environment. He's probably holed up in the city somewhere, after all the LAPD is his target isn't it?
 
2013-02-09 11:55:03 AM  
Lets assume for a moment that he really was unjustly fired.murdering innocents gives him zero credibility.Another possible theory:Suppose he was in contact with the family of the guy who supposedly got kicked, and 2 weeks later he was offered a share of the settlement from a police brutality lawsuit. There is no way to prove or disprove that theory either.By murdering innocents, it makes it more likely that he was the criminal in the earlier incident. His manifesto is worthless.
 
2013-02-09 11:55:22 AM  
so far, the manifesto is an interesting read, but really, he's lamenting not catching the 2nd half of the Walking Dead season 3? He should have thought about that before staring this whole craziness. He also likes Michelle Obama's bangs...haha!

/okay, i like her bangs too
 
2013-02-09 11:55:37 AM  

tinyarena: My Prediction?

It's like 15 degrees in Big Bear.  This guy lost his ID in San Diego.  He fouled the propeller on his get-away boat.  Then the police almost had him at a stop.  Then, another drive-by murder of opportunity, then Big Bear.  John Rambo he is not.

Could be wrong, but I'd bet he's a popsicle by now.


My money is on a self-inflicted gunshot to the head. He claims he's severely depressed. I don't think he has much on the way of financial resources to support being on the lam. The gravity of his situation will catch up to him.
 
2013-02-09 11:57:04 AM  

ReverendJasen: pyrotek85: I'm sorry you feel that way, but it irritates me when people wish for justice to go wrong. I'm not the least bit happy about what he did (and I have little doubt that he did it), but I don't think it's healthy to think this way. I know it's just a few people letting their emotions talk on the internet, but what happens when that becomes reality? It sounds like the LAPD is already there, with their reckless behavior yesterday. They need to cool down or more innocents are going to get hurt.

I hope they catch him just so the goddamn cops stop shooting people.
I'd also wager some money that he dies before trial, even if he turns himself in peacefully.  They want him dead, badly.


Yeah, 'suspect hanged himself in his cell and no one was watching him'.
 
2013-02-09 12:00:41 PM  

pyrotek85: tinyarena: My Prediction?

[filmchatter.files.wordpress.com image 300x200]

It's like 15 degrees in Big Bear.  This guy lost his ID in San Diego.  He fouled the propeller on his get-away boat.  Then the police almost had him at a stop.  Then, another drive-by murder of opportunity, then Big Bear.  John Rambo he is not.

Could be wrong, but I'd bet he's a popsicle by now.

This is why I kinda doubt he went off into the mountains, it's pretty hard to evade capture while trying to survive in that environment. He's probably holed up in the city somewhere, after all the LAPD is his target isn't it?



And you may be right too.  It's just that the very little I've heard makes it seem like he's improvising.  Which is not a good thing to do in the mountains, in the winter.   A Great-Uncle of mine once did that.  They found him in the spring.  We will see.
 
2013-02-09 12:01:09 PM  

Bontesla: Another Government Employee: Theory Of Null: In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.

Looks like he is sending them on a wild goose chase until he pops up again or to throw them off while flees the state entirely. My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide

My bet is on the latter.  Body within 1/4 mile radius of the truck.

Self-inflicted wound or murder?


I'm going with self inflicted, rather than enemy inflicted.  He wouldn't give them the satisfaction.
 
2013-02-09 12:01:37 PM  

syrynxx: That guy's parting message makes it sound like LAPD are an Aryan Brotherhood front


Except that the LAPD is 55% non-white.  Whites are actually underrepresented compared to the general population of L.A. county.
 
2013-02-09 12:03:03 PM  

Bontesla: LavenderWolf: pyrotek85: LavenderWolf: pyrotek85: NeoBad: Let's hope, that, rather than the wheels of justice turning, that peice of crap dies painfully, scared out of his mind and that the devil is laughing at him for a long long time....

You're advocating that he shouldn't be arrested and charged for his crimes but summarily killed when found?

There's always some coontbag who makes this conclusion when someone says "I hope that bastard gets his."

No, you retard, he's not advocating for such a cutthroat system of instant death. He's hoping the guy in question attacks the authorities and gets his comeuppance at the end of a bullet's flight path.

Well it certainly sounds like it, I hope he gets caught not killed outright. Regardless of what he did they should be trying to apprehend him so he can face justice, not kill him on sight. But he might just get his wish with the way they were all too eager to open up on those civilians yesterday.

It's just really, really irritating when someone says that in reply to what is clearly an emotional cry for justice to go wrong.

I mean, when I say "I hope the cops shoot his ass." that does not mean I wish for the laws to be changed to allow the police to just execute whomever they like. Just means I wish the cops get an excuse/reason to do it.

Which doesn't make it better.

We have a criminal justice system to distribute justice. We either trust in it or we don't. If we don't then we need to reform the system.

None of these options include hoping that the police can justifiably kill someone they're in pursuit of. This is especially the case since we have yet to see any facts presented that actually condemn the suspect.


Given the way the cops reacted to the newspaper women, it is obvious they intend to execute the guy.

Judging by comments here and elsewhere, there will be no need for them to justify their use of force. LAPD will continue to be corrupt and nothing will change.

Unfortunate and sad.
 
2013-02-09 12:03:38 PM  

Theaetetus: BronyMedic: The question that anyone, even pro-Law Enforcement, should be asking is "Why the fark did you think it was acceptable to open up on a vehicle without even identifying a threat?" The actions of that officer involved are inexcusable, and reek of panic and anger.

Two months from now: A police investigatory panel have investigated and determined that there was no fault by the officer. He's been commended and received a "good for you" bonus and medal.



That's exactly how it's going to go down for the police detail who shot up the little old ladies delivering paper, and for the cops who rammed that white dude in Torrance. Business as usual... just like Dorner painfully detailed multiple times in his last letter to the world.

Brony's right about who needs to oversee the investigation.  It'll never happen.  Can California put one of its famous referendums to the vote on this, though?  Special vote and all?
 
2013-02-09 12:04:15 PM  

tinyarena: pyrotek85: tinyarena: My Prediction?

[filmchatter.files.wordpress.com image 300x200]

It's like 15 degrees in Big Bear.  This guy lost his ID in San Diego.  He fouled the propeller on his get-away boat.  Then the police almost had him at a stop.  Then, another drive-by murder of opportunity, then Big Bear.  John Rambo he is not.

Could be wrong, but I'd bet he's a popsicle by now.

This is why I kinda doubt he went off into the mountains, it's pretty hard to evade capture while trying to survive in that environment. He's probably holed up in the city somewhere, after all the LAPD is his target isn't it?


And you may be right too.  It's just that the very little I've heard makes it seem like he's improvising.  Which is not a good thing to do in the mountains, in the winter.   A Great-Uncle of mine once did that.  They found him in the spring.  We will see.


Agreed.
 
2013-02-09 12:06:11 PM  
They will find him already dead and bury him at sea. But don't ask to see the body.
 
2013-02-09 12:06:33 PM  

AcesFull: When he murdered that mans' daughter,he declared he was playing no limit...all in.  It will be a fiery finish comparable to the SLA shootout...He will have to be shot to pieces and literally on fire before he kills himself..


IF he murdered the daughter. A casual reading of the manifesto says he did. A close reading is a bit more nuanced.
 
2013-02-09 12:09:30 PM  
Dorner should find some TV studio, some local news station, and offer an interview. The station can't resist ratings like that, and, especially if the LAPD shuts it down and/or shoots the guy, it will only make the LAPD look worse, to the point that the Feds will have almost no choice but to take some major action.
 
2013-02-09 12:12:21 PM  

Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.


Heard their lawyer on KFI the other day. The 78 year old grandmother was shot twice in the back. She's in "stable" condition in the hospital. Her 45 year old daughter was cut on the hand by a piece of "something" (bullet fragment, car metal, no one is sure) and is in good condition.

Mother and daughter are undoubtedly spending the convalescence time looking at Hawaiian vacation brochures and new home plans. They've basically won the lottery.
 
2013-02-09 12:13:18 PM  
Those of you that want this guy dead are seriously farked in the head.   Like any other american he deserves a trial.  But then I guess I shouldn't expect much from a population that ignores their president's published policy on using drone strikes against fellow citizens.

It's also quite disturbing that these officers that assaulted the innocent people won't be brought up on criminal charges with  mandatory maximum sentences.  A police officer should be subject to the maximum penalty whenever they break a law considering the leeway they're given in enforcing the laws.
 
2013-02-09 12:13:30 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: The Fourth Ammendment's time has come. The original framers of The Constitution had no idea that technology and society would progress to such a point of complexity and innovation. It is in society's interest to look within and root out all that may do harm to this great nation. No one needs to be secure, the authorities will provide for your protection. The only expense is a child not saved.


Fourth?
 
2013-02-09 12:16:11 PM  
Fark, where a murderous psycho gets white knighted by the usual trash.
 
2013-02-09 12:16:31 PM  
After he kills a bunch of cops I hope he's taken out by a prepper with an AR-15.
 
2013-02-09 12:19:05 PM  

ReverendJasen: pyrotek85: I'm sorry you feel that way, but it irritates me when people wish for justice to go wrong. I'm not the least bit happy about what he did (and I have little doubt that he did it), but I don't think it's healthy to think this way. I know it's just a few people letting their emotions talk on the internet, but what happens when that becomes reality? It sounds like the LAPD is already there, with their reckless behavior yesterday. They need to cool down or more innocents are going to get hurt.

I hope they catch him just so the goddamn cops stop shooting people.
I'd also wager some money that he dies before trial, even if he turns himself in peacefully.  They want him dead, badly.


The smartest thing he could do, is when he's done making a fool of the LAPD, is to get to San Diego and turn himself into Naval MP's and beg for federal protection in a federal prison.  Any podunk sherrif will be overrun by the LAPD looking for revenge, the feds though, they won't let the LAPD push them around, especially the military.
 
2013-02-09 12:20:06 PM  

Girion47: Those of you that want this guy dead are seriously farked in the head.   Like any other american he deserves a trial.  But then I guess I shouldn't expect much from a population that ignores their president's published policy on using drone strikes against fellow citizens.

It's also quite disturbing that these officers that assaulted the innocent people won't be brought up on criminal charges with  mandatory maximum sentences.  A police officer should be subject to the maximum penalty whenever they break a law considering the leeway they're given in enforcing the laws.


Didn't you hear? It's different if it's a guy you don't like it apparently.

Never mind that we shouldn't be encouraging an already corrupt police force to kill on sight. It has a way of coming back to bite us.
 
2013-02-09 12:20:25 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: AcesFull: When he murdered that mans' daughter,he declared he was playing no limit...all in.  It will be a fiery finish comparable to the SLA shootout...He will have to be shot to pieces and literally on fire before he kills himself..

IF he murdered the daughter. A casual reading of the manifesto says he did. A close reading is a bit more nuanced.


Which version of the Manifesto?  Theres the one he wrote, the one reddit users edited for fark knows what reason and the version the media has edited to make him seem even more crazy.


Personally I hope Dorner has his hands on a high yield thermonuclear device.  It's the only way to clean the corruption out of L.A.
 
2013-02-09 12:22:00 PM  
and, if they never find him...

BIG BEAR LAKE / 2025
www.peoplefirsttourism.com
"It was a night,, just like tonight, not very far from here..."
 
2013-02-09 12:22:04 PM  

kombat_unit: Fark, where a murderous psycho gets white knighted by the usual trash.


Are you referring to the LAPD officer that shot at two women?
 
2013-02-09 12:24:39 PM  

Theory Of Null: In all seriousness, I doubt he is hiding in the mountains. He left his identification in San Diego then set his truck on fire miles away in the mountains and before that was spotted at a motel in Orange County. All of the locations are a good distance from one another. He could of had a motorcycle in the back of that truck.

Looks like he is sending them on a wild goose chase until he pops up again or to throw them off while flees the state entirely. My guess he either is hiding out near his home, left the state or long gone as in already gave up and committed suicide


He's had 3-4 years to get ready for this. Safe house(s)? Check. Lots of weapons, including military ordnance? Check. Really good fake IDs? Check. List of supporters/enablers in the Black (and possibly other) community? Check.

In a previous post I questioned whether he did in fact kill the two kids in Irvine. He has NOT admitted to doing so; the manifesto seems a bit coy about that. But if he DID, then the deaths are right in line with asymmetrical warfare doctrine. Stretch, rattle and exhaust the numerically vastly larger enemy by forcing him to guard as many potential targets as possible. Force this by doing an initial civilian "example" and threatening more family deaths. The threat will be taken seriously because of the initial deaths.

If this is the scenario, I would expect him to lay low for perhaps a week, then strike again. Possibly a bomb, the next time.
 
2013-02-09 12:24:58 PM  

Hermione_Granger: Dorner was trained by America to do what America does best: Kill people.

Now we're gonna kill him - and we should.

Then, if there's an iota of sense left, they'll clean house at the LAPD.


you can't clean up the LAPD. It's like world peace. Everyone wants it but it can never be achieved. For one genuinely 'good decent' citizens will not be applying there in the first place so that alone would make it a futile endevour.
 
2013-02-09 12:25:26 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: After he kills a bunch of cops I hope he's taken out by a prepper with an AR-15.



  If Tarantino makes a movie about it,I hope he's sliced and diced by a perky Katie Couric lookalike crack ho...
 
2013-02-09 12:25:37 PM  
This whole mess makes me imagine a reverse Stalag 17 type of scenario. The POWs are the bad guys (LAPD). They have their sneaky plans and get outed by snitch Price (Dorner). They tie cans to his legs and throw him out in the yard as a distraction to carry out their dirty deeds while the snitch gets about 10lbs. of lead pumped into him.

4.bp.blogspot.com

Maybe I need to lay off the booze.
 
2013-02-09 12:27:29 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Heard their lawyer on KFI the other day. The 78 year old grandmother was shot twice in the back. She's in "stable" condition in the hospital. Her 45 year old daughter was cut on the hand by a piece of "something" (bullet fragment, car metal, no one is sure) and is in good condition.

Mother and daughter are undoubtedly spending the convalescence time looking at Hawaiian vacation brochures and new home plans. They've basically won the lottery.


I wish this was true but you unfortunately know nothing of modern civil liability when it comes to Los Angeles police forces.  The days of Rodney King level of payouts are long long gone my friend.  If they are lucky they will get a bit more than just their medical bills paid off and the repairs to their car.  They ARE lucky that the incident was well publicized, because now they likely wont be going to prison.  Not kidding.  Charges will likely still be pressed against them in order to intimidate them into not pressing civil liability too hard.

Lottery?  These people are likely very farked.  You people know absolutely nothing about cops at all.  You just know what you see in the movies.  That scares the fark out of me btw.
 
2013-02-09 12:33:17 PM  
"searching for the muscular 6 foot, 270 pound black man in the snow "

Am I the only one who finds this sentence really funny?
 
2013-02-09 12:33:33 PM  

neversummer: I think this dude is prepared to hide for months. There's very little benefit in continuing these attacks in the short term. He's done enough to trigger the LAPD into a tailspin. Time is his friend now.


I think people give him too much credit. RL perp/victim/hero etc is not like Jack Bauer, MI5 or Jason Bourne. While there are certainly some planning involved here I doubt he went to the extent like what most folks give him credit for. I seriously doubt he went in fully prepared to totally go off grid and make it his life's mission to conduct extensive guerilla and asymetrical warfare against the LAPD.
 
2013-02-09 12:35:15 PM  

Warlordtrooper: BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.

As opposes to the LAPD who is gunning down innocent civilians in their trucks

I'm actually concerned about the lack of outrage a lot of people seem to have for the fact that the LAPD is GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS in cars.


For you, the day the LAPD shot up a truck full of elderly women was the most important day of your life.

But for them, it was Tuesday.
 
2013-02-09 12:39:11 PM  
Mind you, the police have a hard choice to make right now. They have to search for specifically a black male whilst at the same time not exclusively stopping black males to find him and minimizing the cost of the operation.

Choice one, stop an equal number of black or white, males or females to see if they are the black male they seek. A course of action that would leave them open to claims that they are wasting police funds

Choice two, only stop black males to see if they are the black male they seek. A course of action that would lead them open to claims of racial profiling and racism in general and claims of harassment.

tough.
 
2013-02-09 12:40:20 PM  
The LAPD. Yikes. Reminds me of the corrupt cops in the "Illuminatus" trilogy...but real.
 
2013-02-09 12:40:24 PM  

LordJiro: Dorner should find some TV studio, some local news station, and offer an interview. The station can't resist ratings like that, and, especially if the LAPD shuts it down and/or shoots the guy, it will only make the LAPD look worse, to the point that the Feds will have almost no choice but to take some major action.


again this is not made for TV specials. How the hell is to to call for an interview w/o getting himself trap,  ambushed and killed? I seriouly doubt any reporter/journalist etc would not be picking up the phone and calling 911 the moment they hear his voice.
Even the tapes he set Anderson Cooper etc was never aired or maybe even looked at by a select few before given to the FBI or police the moment the mailman delivered them.
 
2013-02-09 12:41:57 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: He's had 3-4 years to get ready for this. Safe house(s)? Check. Lots of weapons, including military ordnance? Check. Really good fake IDs? Check. List of supporters/enablers in the Black (and possibly other) community? Check.


I wouldn't expect that he's been planning this for four years. Something more recent likely triggered it; whether discharge from the Naval Reserves, maybe final appeals ruling against him or something similar. It is likely he's only been working on this for a couple months.

Eventually, he's out of cash and being on the lam would necessitate cash transactions. Having been a cop, though, means he knows where the drug dealers are and how to identify them. He could start knocking them over for more cash, knowing they're not likely to call the cops.
 
2013-02-09 12:45:53 PM  

Warlordtrooper: BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.

As opposes to the LAPD who is gunning down innocent civilians in their trucks

I'm actually concerned about the lack of outrage a lot of people seem to have for the fact that the LAPD is GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS in cars.




It's a tradition.
www.historyguy.com
 
2013-02-09 12:47:21 PM  

dready zim: Mind you, the police have a hard choice to make right now. They have to search for specifically a black male whilst at the same time not exclusively stopping black males to find him and minimizing the cost of the operation.

Choice one, stop an equal number of black or white, males or females to see if they are the black male they seek. A course of action that would leave them open to claims that they are wasting police funds

Choice two, only stop black males to see if they are the black male they seek. A course of action that would lead them open to claims of racial profiling and racism in general and claims of harassment.

tough.




Nah, I already said it upthread.

The Fourth Amendment must go. It's an antiquated idea from a much simpler time.
 
2013-02-09 12:48:23 PM  

Captain Steroid: Warlordtrooper: BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.

As opposes to the LAPD who is gunning down innocent civilians in their trucks

I'm actually concerned about the lack of outrage a lot of people seem to have for the fact that the LAPD is GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT CIVILIANS in cars.

For you, the day the LAPD shot up a truck full of elderly women was the most important day of your life.

But for them, it was Tuesday.


See you have to take people, by force really.  You grab them by the neck and shove their face right in it and scream in their ear "See this? This is whats happening while you jerk off in your coffee shops and play angry birds, Do you see it now?".  But even if you do that, your wasting your time because unless its happening directly happening to them they quickly forget about it.  Apathy is a wondrous survival mechanism.
 
2013-02-09 12:53:06 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: LordJiro: Dorner should find some TV studio, some local news station, and offer an interview. The station can't resist ratings like that, and, especially if the LAPD shuts it down and/or shoots the guy, it will only make the LAPD look worse, to the point that the Feds will have almost no choice but to take some major action.

again this is not made for TV specials. How the hell is to to call for an interview w/o getting himself trap,  ambushed and killed? I seriouly doubt any reporter/journalist etc would not be picking up the phone and calling 911 the moment they hear his voice.
Even the tapes he set Anderson Cooper etc was never aired or maybe even looked at by a select few before given to the FBI or police the moment the mailman delivered them.


I don't know. I'm sure Anderson Cooper handed over the package - but I would bet good money on them making a copy beforehand. From what I've heard - the dvd he was sent contains an account about the mentally disabled man who was kicked by officer.

I would be surprised if Anderson Cooper was the only person to receive a package. I'm sure there's a team of three journalist trying to review and verify something they received at another network. Dorner likely sent something to all of the national networks in hopes to get his story out.

If I were the LAPD - I would run a fake "evidence DVD" on any network that would let me. It would be something ridiculous and would result in discrediting Dorner. Maybe something about alien invasions to replace the president. If Dorner is listening - he might try to refutre/deny that the dvd was his. It would be a perfect opportunity to set a trap. "Smoke him out" as it were.
 
2013-02-09 12:56:28 PM  

orclover: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Heard their lawyer on KFI the other day. The 78 year old grandmother was shot twice in the back. She's in "stable" condition in the hospital. Her 45 year old daughter was cut on the hand by a piece of "something" (bullet fragment, car metal, no one is sure) and is in good condition.

Mother and daughter are undoubtedly spending the convalescence time looking at Hawaiian vacation brochures and new home plans. They've basically won the lottery.

I wish this was true but you unfortunately know nothing of modern civil liability when it comes to Los Angeles police forces.  The days of Rodney King level of payouts are long long gone my friend.  If they are lucky they will get a bit more than just their medical bills paid off and the repairs to their car.  They ARE lucky that the incident was well publicized, because now they likely wont be going to prison.  Not kidding.   Charges will likely still be pressed against them in order to intimidate them into not pressing civil liability too hard.

Lottery?  These people are likely very farked.  You people know absolutely nothing about cops at all.  You just know what you see in the movies.  That scares the fark out of me btw.


What the fark could they possibly be charged with?
 
2013-02-09 12:59:02 PM  
www.hollywoodreporter.com

What a stupid Dorner-on-the-run might look like.

videogum.com

What a clever Dorner-on-the-run might look like.



This is not the time to wear a hoodie be black in California.
 
2013-02-09 01:00:56 PM  

orclover: Lottery?  These people are likely very farked.  You people know absolutely nothing about cops at all.  You just know what you see in the movies.  That scares the fark out of me btw.


You need to talk to your Doctor and get the medication increased.
You are incoherently rambling again.
 
2013-02-09 01:02:13 PM  
Bontesla:

If I were the LAPD - I would run a fake "evidence DVD" on any network that would let me. It would be something ridiculous and would result in discrediting Dorner. Maybe something about alien invasions to replace the president. If Dorner is listening - he might try to refutre/deny that the dvd was his. It would be a perfect opportunity to set a trap. "Smoke him out" as it were.

I agree.  What you've just laid out is Dorner's kryptonite.
It would be a damn shame, too, because all it would do
is get Dorner killed and let the LAPD get away with murder,
attempted murder, property damage, intimidation and defamation -- again.
 
2013-02-09 01:03:05 PM  

Arn_Dee: orclover: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Heard their lawyer on KFI the other day. The 78 year old grandmother was shot twice in the back. She's in "stable" condition in the hospital. Her 45 year old daughter was cut on the hand by a piece of "something" (bullet fragment, car metal, no one is sure) and is in good condition.

Mother and daughter are undoubtedly spending the convalescence time looking at Hawaiian vacation brochures and new home plans. They've basically won the lottery.

I wish this was true but you unfortunately know nothing of modern civil liability when it comes to Los Angeles police forces.  The days of Rodney King level of payouts are long long gone my friend.  If they are lucky they will get a bit more than just their medical bills paid off and the repairs to their car.  They ARE lucky that the incident was well publicized, because now they likely wont be going to prison.  Not kidding.   Charges will likely still be pressed against them in order to intimidate them into not pressing civil liability too hard.

Lottery?  These people are likely very farked.  You people know absolutely nothing about cops at all.  You just know what you see in the movies.  That scares the fark out of me btw.

What the fark could they possibly be charged with?


Reckless driving, driving with headlamps out, not immediately stopping for an officer, etc etc etc
 
2013-02-09 01:03:20 PM  

jakomo002: MNguy He did kill civilians.

Oh, crap, right. The daughter of a cop and her fiancee or something? I forgot about that. Sorry.

You gotta admit, for all the warnings about how crazy and dangerous and armed and well-trained this guy is, his body count is low for a "killing spree".


Dude, he's lying low for a while, I guarantee you. He's had years to plan this. I'm sure he had a safe house or a safe spot planned for quite some time. It's why he never returned home after the first killings. I wouldn't be surprised if he just camps out for another day or two before making another move. I think he said in his manifesto it would be a war of attrition.
 
2013-02-09 01:06:32 PM  
Dorner is the hero we deserve; the darkest knight if you will.
 
2013-02-09 01:07:50 PM  

peasants_are_revolting: jakomo002: MNguy He did kill civilians.

Oh, crap, right. The daughter of a cop and her fiancee or something? I forgot about that. Sorry.

You gotta admit, for all the warnings about how crazy and dangerous and armed and well-trained this guy is, his body count is low for a "killing spree".

Dude, he's lying low for a while, I guarantee you. He's had years to plan this. I'm sure he had a safe house or a safe spot planned for quite some time. It's why he never returned home after the first killings. I wouldn't be surprised if he just camps out for another day or two before making another move. I think he said in his manifesto it would be a war of attrition.


He's a smart man. He has a plan and he's going to execute it. I wouldn't be suprised, based on the way he's acted, that he hasn't buried caches all over that mountain of supplies for him to live on, and even firearms buried for him to use if he needs them. It wouldn't be hard for him to know where to look to buy one that's untraceable or under the table as a throw-away..
 
2013-02-09 01:09:09 PM  
i45.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-09 01:10:08 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Bontesla:

If I were the LAPD - I would run a fake "evidence DVD" on any network that would let me. It would be something ridiculous and would result in discrediting Dorner. Maybe something about alien invasions to replace the president. If Dorner is listening - he might try to refutre/deny that the dvd was his. It would be a perfect opportunity to set a trap. "Smoke him out" as it were.

I agree.  What you've just laid out is Dorner's kryptonite.
It would be a damn shame, too, because all it would do
is get Dorner killed and let the LAPD get away with murder,
attempted murder, property damage, intimidation and defamation -- again.


Agreed.

The LAPD should be no where near this investigation. It's like allowing members of a gang to find their snitch.
 
2013-02-09 01:11:07 PM  

Bontesla: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Bontesla:

If I were the LAPD - I would run a fake "evidence DVD" on any network that would let me. It would be something ridiculous and would result in discrediting Dorner. Maybe something about alien invasions to replace the president. If Dorner is listening - he might try to refutre/deny that the dvd was his. It would be a perfect opportunity to set a trap. "Smoke him out" as it were.

I agree.  What you've just laid out is Dorner's kryptonite.
It would be a damn shame, too, because all it would do
is get Dorner killed and let the LAPD get away with murder,
attempted murder, property damage, intimidation and defamation -- again.

Agreed.

The LAPD should be no where near this investigation. It's like allowing members of a gang to find their snitch.


Completely agree with you. And I also agree the LAPD will never clean itsself up. It's going to take federal legislation and involvement to do it.

Amazing how the LAPD can be brought up to disprove State's rights arguments, isn't it?
 
2013-02-09 01:11:28 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Reckless driving, driving with headlamps out, not immediately stopping for an officer, etc etc etc

Dream on. Also, when exactly were they asked to stop?
Answer: They were not asked to stop unless you count 7 LAPD Detectives unloading there weapons on your vehicle from behind as such.
 
2013-02-09 01:12:11 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Arn_Dee: What the fark could they possibly be charged with?

Reckless driving, driving with headlamps out, not immediately stopping for an officer, etc etc etc


The ones they shot out themselves no doubt.
 
2013-02-09 01:14:05 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: LordJiro: Dorner should find some TV studio, some local news station, and offer an interview. The station can't resist ratings like that, and, especially if the LAPD shuts it down and/or shoots the guy, it will only make the LAPD look worse, to the point that the Feds will have almost no choice but to take some major action.

again this is not made for TV specials. How the hell is to to call for an interview w/o getting himself trap,  ambushed and killed? I seriouly doubt any reporter/journalist etc would not be picking up the phone and calling 911 the moment they hear his voice.
Even the tapes he set Anderson Cooper etc was never aired or maybe even looked at by a select few before given to the FBI or police the moment the mailman delivered them.



Actually the mailman delivered the "tapes" (DVD) Dorner sent to Cooper on Feb 1, but CNN (predictably) ignored them until after the manhunt was well underway, and didn't "discover" them until Thursday.

Had Dorner not gone on his rampage, they likely would have NEVER been looked at, but simply tossed in the dumpster like all the other "crap" that is no doubt sent to such news organizations by kooks, weirdos and "conspiracy theorists" on a daily basis.
 
2013-02-09 01:15:34 PM  

Rivetman1.0: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Reckless driving, driving with headlamps out, not immediately stopping for an officer, etc etc etc
Dream on. Also, when exactly were they asked to stop?
Answer: They were not asked to stop unless you count 7 LAPD Detectives unloading there weapons on your vehicle from behind as such.


I think what they're saying isn't that the charges would stick, but could be used to threaten and intimidate. Wouldn't surprise me at this point.
 
2013-02-09 01:17:38 PM  

Arn_Dee: orclover: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Heard their lawyer on KFI the other day. The 78 year old grandmother was shot twice in the back. She's in "stable" condition in the hospital. Her 45 year old daughter was cut on the hand by a piece of "something" (bullet fragment, car metal, no one is sure) and is in good condition.

Mother and daughter are undoubtedly spending the convalescence time looking at Hawaiian vacation brochures and new home plans. They've basically won the lottery.

I wish this was true but you unfortunately know nothing of modern civil liability when it comes to Los Angeles police forces.  The days of Rodney King level of payouts are long long gone my friend.  If they are lucky they will get a bit more than just their medical bills paid off and the repairs to their car.  They ARE lucky that the incident was well publicized, because now they likely wont be going to prison.  Not kidding.   Charges will likely still be pressed against them in order to intimidate them into not pressing civil liability too hard.

Lottery?  These people are likely very farked.  You people know absolutely nothing about cops at all.  You just know what you see in the movies.  That scares the fark out of me btw.

What the fark could they possibly be charged with?




They may have questionable immigration status. It certainly shouldn't be used against them, but I could easily imagine it could be if that's the case. Huge numbers of ordinary citizens have something that can be dredged up if the law enforcement microscope is focused on them.
 
2013-02-09 01:17:59 PM  

RDixon: BronyMedic: RDixon: The man openly declared war on the LAPD, and, so far is winning.

So that's why he killed an innocent woman who's only crime was being a cop's daughter, and a lawyer/coach who was only loosely connected with his case, right?

Some hero.

Why do you think he is a hero?


Whoever taught you to read should be punched in the crotch.
 
2013-02-09 01:19:50 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Arn_Dee: orclover: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Heard their lawyer on KFI the other day. The 78 year old grandmother was shot twice in the back. She's in "stable" condition in the hospital. Her 45 year old daughter was cut on the hand by a piece of "something" (bullet fragment, car metal, no one is sure) and is in good condition.

Mother and daughter are undoubtedly spending the convalescence time looking at Hawaiian vacation brochures and new home plans. They've basically won the lottery.

I wish this was true but you unfortunately know nothing of modern civil liability when it comes to Los Angeles police forces.  The days of Rodney King level of payouts are long long gone my friend.  If they are lucky they will get a bit more than just their medical bills paid off and the repairs to their car.  They ARE lucky that the incident was well publicized, because now they likely wont be going to prison.  Not kidding.   Charges will likely still be pressed against them in order to intimidate them into not pressing civil liability too hard.

Lottery?  These people are likely very farked.  You people know absolutely nothing about cops at all.  You just know what you see in the movies.  That scares the fark out of me btw.

What the fark could they possibly be charged with?

Reckless driving, driving with headlamps out, not immediately stopping for an officer, etc etc etc


Understandable actions, when you're being summarily shot at.
 
2013-02-09 01:20:48 PM  

Repo Man: Arn_Dee: orclover: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Heard their lawyer on KFI the other day. The 78 year old grandmother was shot twice in the back. She's in "stable" condition in the hospital. Her 45 year old daughter was cut on the hand by a piece of "something" (bullet fragment, car metal, no one is sure) and is in good condition.

Mother and daughter are undoubtedly spending the convalescence time looking at Hawaiian vacation brochures and new home plans. They've basically won the lottery.

I wish this was true but you unfortunately know nothing of modern civil liability when it comes to Los Angeles police forces.  The days of Rodney King level of payouts are long long gone my friend.  If they are lucky they will get a bit more than just their medical bills paid off and the repairs to their car.  They ARE lucky that the incident was well publicized, because now they likely wont be going to prison.  Not kidding.   Charges will likely still be pressed against them in order to intimidate them into not pressing civil liability too hard.

Lottery?  These people are likely very farked.  You people know absolutely nothing about cops at all.  You just know what you see in the movies.  That scares the fark out of me btw.

What the fark could they possibly be charged with?

They may have questionable immigration status. It certainly shouldn't be used against them, but I could easily imagine it could be if that's the case. Huge numbers of ordinary citizens have something that can be dredged up if the law enforcement microscope is foc ...


I need an adult.
 
2013-02-09 01:25:53 PM  

Arn_Dee: orclover: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Coming on a Bicycle: colonel0sanders: generallyso: Is the LAPD still shooting random civilians or has their PR department put a stop to that for a few days?

FTA:  Two Latina women in Torrance were shot by officers who thought their car looked like the one driven by Dorner. The car did not match the description.

So, what happened to those two women? Every article I read about it, says that they were shot, but no word on whether they survived.

Heard their lawyer on KFI the other day. The 78 year old grandmother was shot twice in the back. She's in "stable" condition in the hospital. Her 45 year old daughter was cut on the hand by a piece of "something" (bullet fragment, car metal, no one is sure) and is in good condition.

Mother and daughter are undoubtedly spending the convalescence time looking at Hawaiian vacation brochures and new home plans. They've basically won the lottery.

I wish this was true but you unfortunately know nothing of modern civil liability when it comes to Los Angeles police forces.  The days of Rodney King level of payouts are long long gone my friend.  If they are lucky they will get a bit more than just their medical bills paid off and the repairs to their car.  They ARE lucky that the incident was well publicized, because now they likely wont be going to prison.  Not kidding.   Charges will likely still be pressed against them in order to intimidate them into not pressing civil liability too hard.

Lottery?  These people are likely very farked.  You people know absolutely nothing about cops at all.  You just know what you see in the movies.  That scares the fark out of me btw.

What the fark could they possibly be charged with?


Littering, they where tossing paper all over the farking city!
 
2013-02-09 01:26:50 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Last item I read about this case concerned the LAPD's attempted murder of a couple of white(?) women. Have they decided to narrow their focus?


Actually they were hispanic, which the neo-fascist police state deems "unavoidable collateral damage", not unlike so many blown up afgans sitting in their mud huts, trying to mind their own business.
 
2013-02-09 01:28:17 PM  

StrangeQ: BronyMedic: The question that anyone, even pro-Law Enforcement, should be asking is "Why the fark did you think it was acceptable to open up on a vehicle without even identifying a threat?" The actions of that officer involved are inexcusable, and reek of panic and anger.

The police have gotten to the point where they are above criticism.  You never see truly investigative reports on the police or their actions.  In a way, they have succeeded in their goal of making the general population fear them to the point that they no longer raise criticisms due to fear of retaliation.


Exactly. Most of the time when there's any sort of investigation it's only to appease the public and make it look as if they're going to do anything about an officers actions that are in question. The most a cop will get is time off with pay, which is not punishment of any sort but a paid vacation. Why wouldn't a cop treat everyone they encounter like shiat when this is the most they get?
 
2013-02-09 01:29:13 PM  

BronyMedic: Bontesla: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Bontesla:

If I were the LAPD - I would run a fake "evidence DVD" on any network that would let me. It would be something ridiculous and would result in discrediting Dorner. Maybe something about alien invasions to replace the president. If Dorner is listening - he might try to refutre/deny that the dvd was his. It would be a perfect opportunity to set a trap. "Smoke him out" as it were.

I agree.  What you've just laid out is Dorner's kryptonite.
It would be a damn shame, too, because all it would do
is get Dorner killed and let the LAPD get away with murder,
attempted murder, property damage, intimidation and defamation -- again.

Agreed.

The LAPD should be no where near this investigation. It's like allowing members of a gang to find their snitch.

Completely agree with you. And I also agree the LAPD will never clean itsself up. It's going to take federal legislation and involvement to do it.

Amazing how the LAPD can be brought up to disprove State's rights arguments, isn't it?


You said I was acting like a Aurora/Newton denier and then insulted me.

We aren't having a discussion.
 
2013-02-09 01:29:19 PM  

Arn_Dee: What the fark could they possibly be charged with?


The police are shooting random civilians and getting away with it; they'll come up with something if they feel it would benefit them and it would be their word against that of the victims.
 
2013-02-09 01:29:20 PM  
 
2013-02-09 01:30:14 PM  

Amos Quito: SuperNinjaToad: LordJiro: Dorner should find some TV studio, some local news station, and offer an interview. The station can't resist ratings like that, and, especially if the LAPD shuts it down and/or shoots the guy, it will only make the LAPD look worse, to the point that the Feds will have almost no choice but to take some major action.

again this is not made for TV specials. How the hell is to to call for an interview w/o getting himself trap,  ambushed and killed? I seriouly doubt any reporter/journalist etc would not be picking up the phone and calling 911 the moment they hear his voice.
Even the tapes he set Anderson Cooper etc was never aired or maybe even looked at by a select few before given to the FBI or police the moment the mailman delivered them.


Actually the mailman delivered the "tapes" (DVD) Dorner sent to Cooper on Feb 1, but CNN (predictably) ignored them until after the manhunt was well underway, and didn't "discover" them until Thursday.

Had Dorner not gone on his rampage, they likely would have NEVER been looked at, but simply tossed in the dumpster like all the other "crap" that is no doubt sent to such news organizations by kooks, weirdos and "conspiracy theorists" on a daily basis.


Which is why I think there are more tapes out there.
 
2013-02-09 01:32:46 PM  
This was the worst of them. This guy flat out lies about what he said once he realizes the game is up. See the cop lie.
 
2013-02-09 01:34:17 PM  
 
2013-02-09 01:34:47 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: dready zim: Mind you, the police have a hard choice to make right now. They have to search for specifically a black male whilst at the same time not exclusively stopping black males to find him and minimizing the cost of the operation.

Choice one, stop an equal number of black or white, males or females to see if they are the black male they seek. A course of action that would leave them open to claims that they are wasting police funds

Choice two, only stop black males to see if they are the black male they seek. A course of action that would lead them open to claims of racial profiling and racism in general and claims of harassment.

tough.

Nah, I already said it upthread.

The Fourth Amendment must go. It's an antiquated idea from a much simpler time.


If I was standing behind those cops, while they were shooting up that truck with two innocent women inside (say it was my mom and sister), the 4th would have theoretically allowed me to own and use a gun in protection of innocent lives being threatened by out of control government agencies overstepping their rights and responsibilities at the peril of the entire public.

we need the right to be able to protect ourselves from criminals, civilian or otherwise.
 
2013-02-09 01:35:09 PM  

BronyMedic: Bontesla: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Bontesla:

If I were the LAPD - I would run a fake "evidence DVD" on any network that would let me. It would be something ridiculous and would result in discrediting Dorner. Maybe something about alien invasions to replace the president. If Dorner is listening - he might try to refutre/deny that the dvd was his. It would be a perfect opportunity to set a trap. "Smoke him out" as it were.

I agree.  What you've just laid out is Dorner's kryptonite.
It would be a damn shame, too, because all it would do
is get Dorner killed and let the LAPD get away with murder,
attempted murder, property damage, intimidation and defamation -- again.

Agreed.

The LAPD should be no where near this investigation. It's like allowing members of a gang to find their snitch.

Completely agree with you. And I also agree the LAPD will never clean itsself up. It's going to take federal legislation and involvement to do it.

Amazing how the LAPD can be brought up to disprove State's rights arguments, isn't it?



{{{ SHUDDER }}}

You want to reign in a massive, corrupt local organization like the LAPD by granting unlimited powers to create a MUCH larger (nationwide) organization that will inevitably become even MORE corrupt and abusive?

Who will be left to "watch the watchers", BronyMedic?

It's the nature of power. Think it through, dude.

You're proposed "cure" is far, FAR worse than the "disease".
 
2013-02-09 01:35:12 PM  
The situation that led to the two Asian ladies getting shot was kind of screwed up.  The cops spot a vehicle that matches the initial description of the suspects vehicle.  The truck is heading into the neighborhood of one of the people named as a target in the manifesto.  Truck then turns down the street, kills the headlights and slows down.  Can't blame the cops for thinking they had the right vehicle.

That said, the cops are still morons for opening fire.  They should have taken up defensive positions around the truck and ordered the occupants out.  They need to be fired, or at a minimum, reassigned to a desk job and never allowed to carry a gun again.
 
2013-02-09 01:42:57 PM  

Repo Man: What happens when you go to the police station, and ask for a complaint form.


Informative investigave report from KCAL-9.
And nothing was done long term with the rogue police/sheriff stations
in spite of the media investigating and testing
with the assistance of a National Watchdog?
 
2013-02-09 01:44:03 PM  
Look at the number of holes in that truck; one of their problems is that as soon as one cop fires a shot, they all open up and continue firing until their ammo is gone, regardless of the actual situation. Too bad they aren't smart enough to make decisions for themselves.
 
2013-02-09 01:46:26 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Look at the number of holes in that truck; one of their problems is that as soon as one cop fires a shot, they all open up and continue firing until their ammo is gone, regardless of the actual situation. Too bad they aren't smart enough to make decisions for themselves.



If they were, they wouldn't likely be members of the LAPD Gang, would they?
 
2013-02-09 01:46:47 PM  

Amos Quito: You want to reign in a massive, corrupt local organization like the LAPD by granting unlimited powers to create a MUCH larger (nationwide) organization that will inevitably become even MORE corrupt and abusive?

Who will be left to "watch the watchers", BronyMedic?

It's the nature of power. Think it through, dude.

You're proposed "cure" is far, FAR worse than the "disease".


Really? Because it works great for those evil socialist commies over in Europe.
Works great for those evil slant eyed imperialists monsters stealing American Jobs in Japan too!

Bontesla: You said I was acting like a Aurora/Newton denier and then insulted me.

We aren't having a discussion.


If you don't want to be accused of acting like one, don't put forth statements that can be seen as conspiracy theories, with no proof none-the-less, and then act incredulous when the conclusion is drawn.

I'll apologize to you for seeing you as saying that if that's not what your intention was.
 
2013-02-09 01:47:00 PM  
what's most funny is that at the Rampart office, the cop said here take two.  and for the rogue stations, the excuse was that the cops didn't usually have complaints so they were unfamiliar with the form (sure, whatever).
 
2013-02-09 01:50:11 PM  

BronyMedic: Amos Quito: You want to reign in a massive, corrupt local organization like the LAPD by granting unlimited powers to create a MUCH larger (nationwide) organization that will inevitably become even MORE corrupt and abusive?

Who will be left to "watch the watchers", BronyMedic?

It's the nature of power. Think it through, dude.

You're proposed "cure" is far, FAR worse than the "disease".

Really? Because it works great for those evil socialist commies over in Europe.
Works great for those evil slant eyed imperialists monsters stealing American Jobs in Japan too!

Bontesla: You said I was acting like a Aurora/Newton denier and then insulted me.

We aren't having a discussion.

If you don't want to be accused of acting like one, don't put forth statements that can be seen as conspiracy theories, with no proof none-the-less, and then act incredulous when the conclusion is drawn.

I'll apologize to you for seeing you as saying that if that's not what your intention was.


I never put forth any such nonsense. I only said there wasn't enough evidence to condemn a man that hasn't stood trial. He allegedly murdered three people which makes him the prime suspect in the murder of three people.

This doesn't make me irrational - but your attempt to insult me because of that opinion was an irrational response on your part.

Apology accepted.
 
2013-02-09 01:50:34 PM  

BronyMedic: Amos Quito: You want to reign in a massive, corrupt local organization like the LAPD by granting unlimited powers to create a MUCH larger (nationwide) organization that will inevitably become even MORE corrupt and abusive?

Who will be left to "watch the watchers", BronyMedic?

It's the nature of power. Think it through, dude.

You're proposed "cure" is far, FAR worse than the "disease".

Really? Because it works great for those evil socialist commies over in Europe.
Works great for those evil slant eyed imperialists monsters stealing American Jobs in Japan too!



See the bolded above.

You didn't.
 
2013-02-09 01:52:32 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: The situation that led to the two Asian ladies getting shot was kind of screwed up.  The cops spot a vehicle that matches the initial description of the suspects vehicle.  The truck is heading into the neighborhood of one of the people named as a target in the manifesto.  Truck then turns down the street, kills the headlights and slows down.  Can't blame the cops for thinking they had the right vehicle.

That said, the cops are still morons for opening fire.  They should have taken up defensive positions around the truck and ordered the occupants out.  They need to be fired, or at a minimum, reassigned to a desk job and never allowed to carry a gun again.


Citation needed.

Also stop lying. The truck shot didn't match the suspect vehicle. Not in make, model, or color.

You're such a bad troll and now you're backing away from your position yesterday that the cops were in the right. Own being wrong.
 
2013-02-09 01:56:56 PM  

Amos Quito: See the bolded above.

You didn't.


Of course I did. Your argument is that if an outside, independent agency was given the ability to conduct police oversight with the authority of the federal Government, like the UK, Japan, Germany, and others do, that it would immediately become a tyrannical and corrupt entity.

Real-life demonstrations prove you otherwise.

Your argument is invalid, and a poor demonstration of a "slippery slope" at that.
 
2013-02-09 01:57:16 PM  
Apparently Charlie Sheen wants Dorner to contact him.

You know you've reached a low point in your life when Charlie Sheen is offering to help you.
 
2013-02-09 01:59:48 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: The situation that led to the two Asian ladies getting shot was kind of screwed up.  The cops spot a vehicle that matches the initial description of the suspects vehicle.  The truck is heading into the neighborhood of one of the people named as a target in the manifesto.  Truck then turns down the street, kills the headlights and slows down.  Can't blame the cops for thinking they had the right vehicle.

That said, the cops are still morons for opening fire.  They should have taken up defensive positions around the truck and ordered the occupants out.  They need to be fired, or at a minimum, reassigned to a desk job and never allowed to carry a gun again.


They need criminal charges brought against them, anything less is an insult to the worth of the humans that they assaulted in violation of the law.
 
2013-02-09 02:01:46 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Look at the number of holes in that truck; one of their problems is that as soon as one cop fires a shot, they all open up and continue firing until their ammo is gone, regardless of the actual situation. Too bad they aren't smart enough to make decisions for themselves.




"We deeply regret that this terrible tragedy has happened," said Safir, reading an official NYPD statement at City Hall. "But I must stress that it was understandable given the circumstances. There was no way those officers could have known for certain that Mr. Livingston was not heavily armed and about to kill them."

According to NYPD sources, at approximately 11:30 a.m. on the day in question, a detachment of 12 officers observed Livingston, a delivery driver for a Chinese restaurant, standing at the entrance to an apartment building "acting in a suspicious and aggressive manner." After ignoring the officers' repeated commands to put down the threatening item in his hand, a bag containing a double order of General Chao's Chicken and a pint of rice, Livingston reached for the doorbell. The officers responded by opening fire on his strategic top-of-the-stairs position from point-blank range, discharging their standard-issue 9mm handguns 245 times and striking him with approximately 175 teflon-coated hollow-point slugs.

Defiantly ignoring the officers' orders to freeze, Livingston dropped to the floor and convulsed wildly, kicking and thrashing and hurling blood in all directions.


NYPD Apologizes For Accidental Shooting-Clubbing-Stabbing-Firebombing Death
 
2013-02-09 02:03:12 PM  
just remember that thousands of innocent lives have been taken by out of control police
if there was no video, virtually none of them would result in any disciplinary actions or firings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas
 
2013-02-09 02:03:44 PM  

Repo Man: striking him with approximately 175 teflon-coated hollow-point slugs.


Why would you coat hollowpoints, which are designed to mushroom and spread their energy out, with teflon, which is designed to reduce the friction coefficient of Kevlar on FMJ rounds, allowing them to penetrate what they normally would not be able to?

Seems kinda self-defeating.

/Side argument.
 
2013-02-09 02:04:50 PM  

Repo Man: KarmicDisaster: Look at the number of holes in that truck; one of their problems is that as soon as one cop fires a shot, they all open up and continue firing until their ammo is gone, regardless of the actual situation. Too bad they aren't smart enough to make decisions for themselves.

"We deeply regret that this terrible tragedy has happened," said Safir, reading an official NYPD statement at City Hall. "But I must stress that it was understandable given the circumstances. There was no way those officers could have known for certain that Mr. Livingston was not heavily armed and about to kill them."

According to NYPD sources, at approximately 11:30 a.m. on the day in question, a detachment of 12 officers observed Livingston, a delivery driver for a Chinese restaurant, standing at the entrance to an apartment building "acting in a suspicious and aggressive manner." After ignoring the officers' repeated commands to put down the threatening item in his hand, a bag containing a double order of General Chao's Chicken and a pint of rice, Livingston reached for the doorbell. The officers responded by opening fire on his strategic top-of-the-stairs position from point-blank range, discharging their standard-issue 9mm handguns 245 times and striking him with approximately 175 teflon-coated hollow-point slugs.

Defiantly ignoring the officers' orders to freeze, Livingston dropped to the floor and convulsed wildly, kicking and thrashing and hurling blood in all directions.

NYPD Apologizes For Accidental Shooting-Clubbing-Stabbing-Firebombing Death


Are you suggesting that shooting a delivery driver 175 for not dropping his threatening bag of General Chao's Chicken was an overreaction?

Because if that's what you were suggesting then you'd be right.
 
2013-02-09 02:05:00 PM  

BronyMedic: it would immediately become


Citation needed.
 
2013-02-09 02:05:14 PM  

justtray: Citation needed.

Also stop lying. The truck shot didn't match the suspect vehicle. Not in make, model, or color.

You're such a bad troll and now you're backing away from your position yesterday that the cops were in the right. Own being wrong.


Amazing how you cop hating retards refuse to take 5 minutes to learn the basic facts about the case you're spending so much time biatching about.  Guess it's easier to call people a troll.

Guess what, you're the farking troll.
 
2013-02-09 02:07:39 PM  

omeganuepsilon: BronyMedic: it would immediately become

Citation needed.


You're right. It's just taking a really, really long time then. WHEN WILL THOSE SHEEPLE BRITS SEE THE TRUTH!
 
2013-02-09 02:09:29 PM  

Bontesla: Apparently Charlie Sheen wants Dorner to contact him.

You know you've reached a low point in your life when Charlie Sheen is offering to help you.


   possibly Charlie was also thinking Dorner might rob some drug dealers and is merely looking into buying in bulk..
 
2013-02-09 02:13:17 PM  
For those who may not know or remember, The Onion is satirizing the death of Amadou Diallo.

In the early morning of February 4, 1999, Diallo was standing near his building after returning from a meal. Police officers Edward McMellon, Sean Carroll, Kenneth Boss and Richard Murphy passed by in a Ford Taurus. Observing that Diallo matched the description of a since-captured well-armed serial rapist involved in the rape or attempted rape of 51 victims, they approached him.[3][4] The officers were in plain clothes.

The officers claimed they loudly identified themselves as NYPD officers and that Diallo ran up the outside steps toward his apartment house doorway at their approach, ignoring their orders to stop and "show his hands". The porch lightbulb was out and Diallo was backlit by the inside vestibule light, showing only a silhouette. Diallo then reached into his jacket and withdrew his wallet. Seeing the suspect holding a small square object, Carroll yelled "Gun!" to alert his colleagues. Believing Diallo had aimed a gun at them at close range, the officers opened fire on Diallo. During the shooting, lead officer McMellon tripped backward off the front stairs, causing the other officers to believe he had been shot. The four officers fired 41 shots, more than half of which went astray as Diallo was hit 19 times.[1]

The post-shooting investigation found no weapons on Diallo's body; the item he had pulled out of his jacket was not a gun, but a rectangular black wallet. The internal NYPD investigation ruled the officers had acted within policy, based on what a reasonable police officer would have done in the same circumstances with the information they had. The Diallo shooting led to a review of police training policy and the use of full metal jacket (FMJ) bullets. On March 25, 1999 a Bronx grand jury indicted the four officers on charges of second-degree murder and reckless endangerment. On December 16, an appellate court ordered a change of venue to Albany, New York, stating that pretrial publicity had made a fair trial in New York City impossible. On February 25, 2000, after two days of deliberation, a mixed-race jury in Albany acquitted the officers of all charges. Officer Kenneth Boss had been previously involved in an incident where an unarmed man was shot, but remained working as a police officer. A 22-year-old man, Patrick Bailey, died after Boss shot him on October 31, 1997.[5] As of 2012 Boss is the only remaining officer working for the NYPD.[6]
 
2013-02-09 02:15:43 PM  

BronyMedic: ZeroPly: Kill people who need killing.

The daughter of a cop who had nothing to do with Dorner or the LAPD, and a basketball coach/lawyer who was loosely connected to him needed killing?


Yes.

Main rule of asymmetric warfare is being asymmetric. This guy knows the SOP - for maximum disruption you don't go after the point man on the SWAT team, you go after the pogues in the HQ and their families.  It's hard being a racist, corrupt, sh*tbag when you're constantly worrying whether your actions are going to get your family killed. I don't see too many of the LAPD up on the TV acting all hero-like now that this guy's on the loose.

Half the people on the Internet are cheering this guy on. I think what's freaking out the LAPD more than this guy possibly being out there with a 50 cal, is that people are laughing at them and saying they had this coming.
 
2013-02-09 02:17:22 PM  

Ned Stark: racist ass LAPD shoots civillians: unfortunate incident that merits investigation.
Guy twisting racist ass LAPD's tail shoots civillians: TOTAL MONSTER, cause entirely discredited, any sympathetic feelings you might have also render you a monster.


Yes, because it is impossible to always think innocent people dying is a tragedy. Look how stupid you are.
 
2013-02-09 02:17:23 PM  

Arn_Dee: What the fark could they possibly be charged with?


Well, according to this article:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/cops-opened-fire-on-mot h er-daughter-during-dorner-manhunt.html

" But he did say that the gunfire occurred in two bursts: The first came from an officer positioned down the block from the LAPD official's residence, and the second when Carranza accelerated away from the gunfire and toward other officers."

They "accelerated ..toward... officers". Trying to run down cops? That's attempted murder.