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2013-02-09 07:52:44 AM  
I will never understand campaign finance law.
 
2013-02-09 07:56:28 AM  

PanicMan: I will never understand campaign finance law.


That's the idea
 
2013-02-09 07:57:38 AM  
I am praying she doesn't run for President. I just don't think she could win. We aren't ready for a Margaret Thatcher.
 
2013-02-09 08:04:54 AM  
T-Bird in 2016!
 
2013-02-09 08:09:37 AM  
Holy old news batman!
 
2013-02-09 08:31:36 AM  

INeedAName: I am praying she doesn't run for President. I just don't think she could win. We aren't ready for a Margaret Thatcher.


I think we're entirely ready for a female President.  Even possibly one of a certain age.  But, when things starting going south in 2008, she was really, truly awful at it.  Birther-flirting, sniper fire, grand conspiracies and the whole kit.

Most people, with a little self-reflection, would feel chastened by how off-the-rails it went.  That self-reflection, though, probably doesn't come to anyone who would run for President in the first place.
 
2013-02-09 08:38:39 AM  
in before

www.therightplanet.com
 
2013-02-09 08:38:56 AM  

Lawnchair: I think we're entirely ready for a female President.


I'd enthusiastically support Kirsten Gillibrand, an excellent senator from my home state, but she's not really known outside of NY yet so she wouldn't be a realistic pick for the next election.
 
2013-02-09 08:42:54 AM  
I wish the tired old hag would just retire.
 
2013-02-09 08:54:02 AM  

Alan Stuart Franken 2016

 
2013-02-09 08:56:52 AM  

Wooly Bully: Lawnchair: I think we're entirely ready for a female President.

I'd enthusiastically support Kirsten Gillibrand, an excellent senator from my home state, but she's not really known outside of NY yet so she wouldn't be a realistic pick for the next election.


Plus, she's a total MILF.
 
2013-02-09 09:10:42 AM  

Granny_Panties: Alan Stuart Franken 2016


How about no?
 
2013-02-09 09:14:45 AM  
That's nice.
 
2013-02-09 09:15:08 AM  
Mary Fallin from Oklahoma.
 
2013-02-09 09:17:09 AM  
Sixty-one percent of American voters approve of Clinton, a possible U.S. presidential candidate for 2016, while 34 percent said they had an unfavorable opinion, according to the survey by Quinnipiac University released on Friday.
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In comparison, 51 percent said they held a "favorable" opinion of Obama while 46 percent had an unfavorable opinion. For Biden, 70, another potential 2016 contender, 46 percent gave him good marks compared to 41 percent who did not.
 
2013-02-09 09:23:34 AM  

INeedAName: We aren't ready for a Margaret Thatcher.


Other than their genitals,what do Thatcher and Clinton have in common politically? The answer is nothing.
 
2013-02-09 09:25:29 AM  

MisterLoki: Granny_Panties: Alan Stuart Franken 2016

How about no?


Of that's Franken's only heterodox position then he's already better than Obama.
 
2013-02-09 09:29:50 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: MisterLoki: Granny_Panties: Alan Stuart Franken 2016

How about no?

Of that's Franken's only heterodox position then he's already better than Obama.


Well, you have a point...
 
2013-02-09 09:46:33 AM  
Hillary cannot, I repeat CANNOT, win the Presidency in the general election. Even now after a great four years for her, she carries too much baggage and would be a flashpoint for conservative rage.

I think her best bet is to move to Illinois to establish residency and run for Senate there in 2016 and oust Mark Kirk. That'd be a slam dunk victory for her and she'd be able to handle a state-wide campaign in her late 60s. She could serve a term or two and then retire gracefully after a public service career spanning 4 decades.
 
2013-02-09 09:48:44 AM  
Thanks for starting the birth certificate stuff. Really helped Trump and the rest of the idiots on the right lose their sheeit.
 
2013-02-09 09:58:12 AM  

Wooly Bully: Lawnchair: I think we're entirely ready for a female President.

I'd enthusiastically support Kirsten Gillibrand, an excellent senator from my home state, but she's not really known outside of NY yet so she wouldn't be a realistic pick for the next election.


I'm from TN I know her and I'd love a Gillibrand/Booker ticket or
 
2013-02-09 09:59:43 AM  
Please be Palin please be Palin please be Palin please be Palin please be Palin please be Palin

/sigh
 
2013-02-09 09:59:52 AM  
In other news,
images.businessweek.com
dat ass.
 
2013-02-09 09:59:59 AM  

RyogaM: Sixty-one percent of American voters approve of Clinton, a possible U.S. presidential candidate for 2016, while 34 percent said they had an unfavorable opinion, according to the survey by Quinnipiac University released on Friday.
...
In comparison, 51 percent said they held a "favorable" opinion of Obama while 46 percent had an unfavorable opinion. For Biden, 70, another potential 2016 contender, 46 percent gave him good marks compared to 41 percent who did not.


I hadn't seen those numbers before. Good news for Clinton...
 
2013-02-09 10:01:08 AM  

Kuta: Hillary cannot, I repeat CANNOT, win the Presidency in the general election.


She would most likely win if her opponent is a Republican.
 
2013-02-09 10:02:13 AM  

shastacola: INeedAName: We aren't ready for a Margaret Thatcher.

Other than their genitals,what do Thatcher and Clinton have in common politically? The answer is nothing.


They both think little brown children playing with unexploded cluster munitions is adorable?
 
2013-02-09 10:14:31 AM  

INeedAName: I am praying she doesn't run for President. I just don't think she could win. We aren't ready for a Margaret Thatcher.


Come, Hillary isn't that old.
 
2013-02-09 10:15:01 AM  

INeedAName: I am praying she doesn't run for President. I just don't think she could win. We aren't ready for a Margaret Thatcher.


Not from the Left. I think she's awesome and probably the most qualified person in the world for the job. I hope she doesn't run, not because I don't want her as president, but because the fight would be ugly. It would be the ugliest campaign you have seen, or will see, in your lifetime. Guaranteed. Secretary of State makes you a statesman -- even a person I find reprehensible: Kissinger. The man can negotiate anything. Madeline Albright would've been a good vice-president, but she wasn't born in the United States.

I'd have to have the dish network disconnected, get rid of the landline, buy a zapper for canvassers on my lawn -- just work, work, work.
 
2013-02-09 10:16:08 AM  
three months and $455,000 raised. must be nice having rich friends.

as for 2016 hell no. i voted D in 2004, 2008 and 2012 but would go back to R if she ran. she may have been a good sec of state but so what.
 
2013-02-09 10:19:22 AM  

Snarfangel: INeedAName: I am praying she doesn't run for President. I just don't think she could win. We aren't ready for a Margaret Thatcher.

Come, Hillary isn't that old.


"How many years was Margaret Thatcher Prime Minister? A) 900 years B) 3,000 years C) 11 years. Oh, it's a trick question. Now they WANT you to answer 900 years... It certainly was a long time."

--From Absolutely Fabulous.
 
2013-02-09 10:24:03 AM  

Curious: three months and $455,000 raised. must be nice having rich friends.

as for 2016 hell no. i voted D in 2004, 2008 and 2012 but would go back to R if she ran. she may have been a good sec of state but so what.


What if Jeb Bush is running against her? We're looking at legacy families, here. If Jack and Bobby hadn't been killed, we'd probably have a Kennedy running the country right NOW.
 
2013-02-09 10:29:28 AM  

Kuta: she carries too much baggage and would be a flashpoint for conservative rage.


How did that rage work out last time?

/bags don't vote
 
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2013-02-09 10:31:09 AM  

JolobinSmokin: Mary Fallin from Oklahoma.


We're not that far removed from Dubya. Too soon for another flake.
 
2013-02-09 10:32:48 AM  
In 2005 Hillary was the guaranteed nominee for 2008.  She had it all.  Name recognition, experience, money, the most beloved living ex-president at her side, and access to some of the greatest minds in the world of presidential campaigning.   And she lost the nomination to a relatively unknown Senator from Illinois who had none of those things, plus the added burden of being a black man in a country where millions of Americans are barely able to keep their racism under control, and millions more don't even attempt to keep their racism under control.  I don't believe she can win the nomination in 2016.  More imortantly, I don't believe she wants to risk losing again.
 
2013-02-09 10:38:36 AM  

Cosmic_Music: dat ass.


IS HUGE!
 
2013-02-09 10:43:19 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Wooly Bully: Lawnchair: I think we're entirely ready for a female President.

I'd enthusiastically support Kirsten Gillibrand, an excellent senator from my home state, but she's not really known outside of NY yet so she wouldn't be a realistic pick for the next election.

Plus, she's a total MILF.


Which nobody can deny!
 
2013-02-09 10:47:03 AM  

Paula's Beautiful Bloodshot Eyes: I wish the tired old hag would just retire.


Don't worry, Dubya can't run again unless they change the election laws.
 
2013-02-09 10:49:57 AM  

Kuta: Hillary cannot, I repeat CANNOT, win the Presidency in the general election. Even now after a great four years for her, she carries too much baggage and would be a flashpoint for conservative rage.

I think her best bet is to move to Illinois to establish residency and run for Senate there in 2016 and oust Mark Kirk. That'd be a slam dunk victory for her and she'd be able to handle a state-wide campaign in her late 60s. She could serve a term or two and then retire gracefully after a public service career spanning 4 decades.


img585.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-09 10:53:54 AM  

jj325: In 2005 Hillary was the guaranteed nominee for 2008.  She had it all.  Name recognition, experience, money, the most beloved living ex-president at her side, and access to some of the greatest minds in the world of presidential campaigning.   And she lost the nomination to a relatively unknown Senator from Illinois who had none of those things, plus the added burden of being a black man in a country where millions of Americans are barely able to keep their racism under control, and millions more don't even attempt to keep their racism under control.  I don't believe she can win the nomination in 2016.  More imortantly, I don't believe she wants to risk losing again.


She lost because she ran her primary campaign as if it was a national primary -- the whole thing would be decided in a single popular vote.

Obama played the long game, focusing on out organizing her in states that hold a primary caucus.

In short, she was outmaneuvered. I doubt she'll make the same mistake twice.
 
2013-02-09 10:55:00 AM  

Kuta: Hillary cannot, I repeat CANNOT, win the Presidency in the general election.


You sound...concerned.

Even now after a great four years for her, she carries too much baggage and would be a flashpoint for conservative rage.

That's been a winning formula for a while now. Please pay attention.
 
2013-02-09 10:55:48 AM  

Kurmudgeon: Paula's Beautiful Bloodshot Eyes: I wish the tired old hag would just retire.

Don't worry, Dubya can't run again unless they change the election laws.


If we repealed the 22nd Amendment, Bill Clinton would be the next president, but I don't see that happening, ever.
 
2013-02-09 11:00:13 AM  
Ah, campaign debt, one of the biggest loopholes to campaign finance laws. As long as you keep filing campaign finance reports listing the debt, you can carry it indefinitely. It essentially amounts to an in-kind donation the exceeds contribution limits. And there is nothing to stop you from having a campaign committee open with debt and opening another committing for running for a different office. Happens all of the time.
 
2013-02-09 11:06:42 AM  

thornhill: Obama played the long game, focusing on out organizing her in states that hold a primary caucus.


Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

It was one of the best-run campaigns in history, and the social media came early and often. It was a genius campaign. Hillary went old-skool and got smacked.

Even in states like Arizona (which vote R, anyway), by February 2008, I would say most Democrats were like, "Hillary Who?" because the grassroots Obama movement was so big. People were having parties. A Democratic family in my old neighborhood, Arcadia (which is mostly Republican) had a HUGE fundraising party for Obama. Cars FILLED the four blocks between Thomas and Osborn. The people who lived there were PISSED. This was in EARLY 2008.
 
2013-02-09 11:08:27 AM  
Condi in '16.
Seriously, who else could the GOP come up with who could beat Hillary?
 
2013-02-09 11:17:54 AM  
I thought Obama had paid off the Clinton campaign debt as part of an agreement they reached when she did not cause a scene at the 2008 democratic convention.

INeedAName: I am praying she doesn't run for President. I just don't think she could win. We aren't ready for a Margaret Thatcher.


You may be right, perhaps the country isn't ready for a female president.  We were even less ready for a black president and yet somehow the country managed to elect one and keep rolling on day to day.

I don't think you're right though, or at least not in the sense that nobody is ever "ready" for a first until it happens.  Conservatives would freak out but thats what conservatives do, anything new = satanspawn.

Kuta: Hillary cannot, I repeat CANNOT, win the Presidency in the general election. Even now after a great four years for her, she carries too much baggage and would be a flashpoint for conservative rage.


Yes she has baggage and yes conservatives dislike her.. which does not support up your unelectable conclusion.  The second sentence was exactly what was being said about Obama's chance for a re-election and we all see how that turned out.  Conservatives can get bent out of shape all they want about a dem candidate but it matters little when they 1) don't turn out to vote for their own candidate, and 2) run off independents in droves.  The only person who has a chance against Hillary would be Christie, if the GOP ends up fielding someone like Santorum, Rubio, or Jindal she will steamroll them hard.

Keep in mind, the Hillary campaign will have two very popular ex-presidents stumping for her, Bill and Barry. And again, we saw how all that Clinton baggage "hurt" Obama's campaign.  Conservatives hate the man with a fiery passion but a majority of the country views the Clinton years more fondly than what came right after.

Granny_Panties: Alan Stuart Franken 2016


I like Al alot but he is better suited in the Senate.  And yeah, his pro-Hollywood vote was one stance of his I completely disagreed.
 
2013-02-09 11:32:38 AM  

GentlemanJ: Condi in '16.
Seriously, who else could the GOP come up with who could beat Hillary?


Well, Chris Christie could really pump his popularity by doing Jenny Craig... and then...

They're already practically Christening Rubio for vice-president. They want Florida, BAD. Last time they got it was by court ruling. Somewhere in the GOP think-tanks, they're saying, "He's Hispanic, he's popular, he's good-looking. Good hair -- He's got it all!"

All the while, we people here on Earth, who think in 3 dimensions, know that a Republican CUBAN is a death sentence in New Mexico, Colorado, California, (maybe even) Arizona. I said this last election, and I'll say it again... Arizona is going to go BLUE, and soon. Jobs are coming in, but they're bringing in their own people from out of state. The blue-haired Q-Tip People from The North who support Arpaio are either dying off or can't afford to live in two states any more.

Meanwhile, the kids I taught early in my career are now voters. They're 2nd-Generation Mexican-Americans. They hate Arpaio and they really hate Cubans and our One-Foot Doctrine. They have relatives they can't bring here -- not even for a visit because of our immigration laws. NOT EVEN FOR A VISIT! They're socially conservative (for the most part. they don't hate teh gays) Democrats who believe (I can't stress this enough) STRONGLY in social justice, and they're starting to vote. Washington, Oregon, California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado will be known as the Hispanic Democratic West.

Utah? Fark 'em.
 
2013-02-09 11:35:49 AM  
Hell, Add Hawaii and call it The Tan West.
 
2013-02-09 11:40:11 AM  

Wooly Bully: Lawnchair: I think we're entirely ready for a female President.

I'd enthusiastically support Kirsten Gillibrand, an excellent senator from my home state, but she's not really known outside of NY yet so she wouldn't be a realistic pick for the next election.


Hooray! KG is one of the rare ones. Pair her up with Chris Christie and watch the good times roll.
 
2013-02-09 11:44:04 AM  
Nah, she's done. There'll be some fresh face at the top of the ticket in '16.
 
2013-02-09 11:56:47 AM  
Kuta's right, but I think he could have explained his case better.

Personalities: I'd call a Hillary-Christie race a tossup on that front, with two authoritarians who don't like to be crossed; one will come off as a biatch, the other as a bully. Bullying goes over more easily than biatchiness with the American public.

Name recognition: Americans like dynasties, but only up to a point. We've been looking at her mug for 20 years, and even people who agree with her are looking for fresh faces. One of the reasons Obama won in 2008 is because he wasn't Bush OR Clinton.

Timing: Hillary's going to be 69 on Inauguration Day 2017. She would be our fourth Baby Boom president, and the third one born in the Truman administration. Going from a president on the cusp of 50 to one on the cusp of 70 changes voters' perceptions; it won't take much to make her look old and out of touch.

The one thing we can assume about a Hillary campaign in 2016 is that it will be run better than the last one, which went in the books as an example of "Don't do this. Get DirecTV."
 
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