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2013-02-10 11:14:45 PM

ultraholland: oh this is good


Now and then. More often than not.
 
2013-02-10 11:17:15 PM

mrlewish: BMulligan: Maybe. And I wonder if Alaska (the couple's home state) or New York (scene of the photograph) recognizes the tort of false light or permits non-celebrities to assert the right of publicity.

Why would them being or not being a celebrity make any difference? I thought laws were supposed to cover all equally.


If you take a picture of some random person on the street and sell it for money without getting a model release first, there are legal consequences.  Yet paparazzi do this to celebrities all the time.

Furthermore, professional photographers who take wedding photos retain rights to the photographic work involved unless some other legal arrangement (such as "work for hire") has explicitly been made.  The picture in question looks like a posed wedding photo taken by a professional photographer, IMHO.  I would be one thing for the couple to use the picture on their facebook page or in a newsletter to friends and relatives, quite another for Fox to use the image for commercial purposes without obtaining the rights.
 
2013-02-10 11:18:22 PM

mrlewish: BMulligan: Maybe. And I wonder if Alaska (the couple's home state) or New York (scene of the photograph) recognizes the tort of false light or permits non-celebrities to assert the right of publicity.

Why would them being or not being a celebrity make any difference?  I thought laws were supposed to cover all equally.


Equal protection doesn't mean that everyone has to be treated equally; it means that all similarly situated parties are treated equally under the law. Many states only allow recovery for violation of right of publicity where the plaintiff's name and likeness have an established economic value prior to the alleged tort - my state is one of them. Other states have no such limitation, and there may be states that still don't recognize the cause of action at all (I haven't had to worry about the controlling statutes in any other jurisdictions since law school).
 
2013-02-10 11:27:22 PM

Chinchillazilla: How can you even do that on accident? I could Google "wedding kiss" and find you hundreds of thousands of stock photos of heterosexual couples kissing in like thirty seconds.


it's a top result because it was a rather historic marriage, one of the first same-sex marriages in New York, and clearly the first same-sex on the Empire State Building
 
2013-02-10 11:39:31 PM

sno man: ultraholland: oh this is good

Now and then. More often than not.


EIP  The living planet rocks....
 
2013-02-10 11:49:52 PM

dickfreckle: machodonkeywrestler: dickfreckle: Chinchillazilla: I'm not a lesbian, but I'd get married in jeans and a t-shirt if my family would let me get away with it.

Finally, someone who isn't a redneck said it. If I'm ever dumb enough to follow through on my threats of marriage, I'm showing up in flip-flops, my favorite worn-out jeans, and probably a Saints hat.

I ask of the world - who doesn't like wearing flops and an NFL hat? Am I really an asshole for it being my go-to outfit?

People with taste? You might as well put on sweatpants and finish the ensemble.

I'm still handsome, despite the ensemble.

Yes, I actually said it. Only because it's true. I don't live in a trailer park, man, I just like to take it easy. Not a crime.


I'm only half-kidding around. You are welcome to wear what you please.
 
2013-02-10 11:51:41 PM

beta_plus: Infernalist: beta_plus: Assuming that you are not gay (NTTAWWT), yeah, actually you do.

Happiness is a reward given to you by your genetics for doing things that would have furthered your survival and you genes survival for millions of years.  If you deny your hunter-gatherer roots, you are doomed to be unhappy.

Now, does that mean that a woman should be barefoot and pregnant cooking in the kitchen?  No.  But she and her husband had better do the basic things that keep each other happy on an instinctual level when possible.  If you're a guy, be the manly man that makes your wife happy.  Keep in mind that one of the main things that keeps her happy is you standing up to the challenges she will instinctually give you to test that you are manly.  This used to be called flirting.

Ladies, be feminine around the man you care about.  Make him feel welcomed and desired.  Obviously, test him a bit but have the good sense to do it at the right times.  Kind of like how he shouldn't demand sex from you at the wrong times.  Basically, be sweet and kind if he has proven to be worthy of it.  Don't be a biatch unless it is truly necessary.

Your handle is apt.

Yeah, I'm sure you banging models right now in your hummer stretch limo.  At least, that's probably what you're fantasizing in your mom's basement.


Pot meet kettle.
 
2013-02-11 12:08:02 AM

TopoGigo: Genevieve Marie: beta_plus: I'm sorry that basic biological truths hurt your feelings. I'm sure we can pass a law against it.

You might want to be a little more careful of asserting that stuff as "basic biological truths". It's pseudoscience at best, and total junk at its worst.

Most good scientists recognize that biological sex is a pretty poor indicator of behavior and of strengths and weaknesses.

Define "poor". Depending on your sex, you are statistically more likely to have certain physiological strengths and weaknesses. Depending on your sex, you are statistically more likely to have certain mental strengths and weaknesses. Depending on your sex, you are--according to research where it's impossible to control all the variables--probably more likely to display certain psychological tendencies.

It's sh*t for precision, but it's a pretty good statistical indicator. Similarly, actuarial tables won't tell me when I'll die, but they give a pretty good statistical picture of how many years a 6'1", 260lb, 35yo male with a 20-year smoking habit and a weekend binge drinking habit from Appalachia might live.


Quite frankly, I'm amazed you had enough time to finish your response.
 
2013-02-11 12:08:27 AM

sno man: eddiesocket: sno man: Because People in power are Stupid: I find that picture quite appropriate. That same sex couple is falling into gender role stereotypes because that makes sense.

Actually you might be on to something there...  Why not just both be an a dress (for innies), or both in a suit (for outies) or whatever. Why go to the trouble of imposing gender roles where they don't actually apply?  If not for some measure toward conformity.

/someone hold me, I  just agreed with BPipaS

Maybe one lady likes to wear dresses and one doesn't. Maybe it's not about you and your assumptions about gender roles at all.

You got me all wrong, sunshine, I have no assumptions about gender roles, but I sure has hell know what traditional gender roles are.  My question was why play to the stereotype 'traditional' marriage, especially when you don't need too?  Unless you are going out of your way to try and conform to traditional roles. NTTAWWT.


What's the stereotype you believe they're conforming to, knowing absolutely zero about their lives and all? Why do they need your wardrobe approval at their wedding?
 
2013-02-11 12:11:07 AM

eddiesocket: sno man: eddiesocket: sno man: Because People in power are Stupid: I find that picture quite appropriate. That same sex couple is falling into gender role stereotypes because that makes sense.

Actually you might be on to something there...  Why not just both be an a dress (for innies), or both in a suit (for outies) or whatever. Why go to the trouble of imposing gender roles where they don't actually apply?  If not for some measure toward conformity.

/someone hold me, I  just agreed with BPipaS

Maybe one lady likes to wear dresses and one doesn't. Maybe it's not about you and your assumptions about gender roles at all.

You got me all wrong, sunshine, I have no assumptions about gender roles, but I sure has hell know what traditional gender roles are.  My question was why play to the stereotype 'traditional' marriage, especially when you don't need too?  Unless you are going out of your way to try and conform to traditional roles. NTTAWWT.

What's the stereotype you believe they're conforming to, knowing absolutely zero about their lives and all? Why do they need your wardrobe approval at their wedding?


Are you really that obtuse?
 
2013-02-11 12:16:02 AM

sno man: eddiesocket: sno man: eddiesocket: sno man: Because People in power are Stupid: I find that picture quite appropriate. That same sex couple is falling into gender role stereotypes because that makes sense.

Actually you might be on to something there...  Why not just both be an a dress (for innies), or both in a suit (for outies) or whatever. Why go to the trouble of imposing gender roles where they don't actually apply?  If not for some measure toward conformity.

/someone hold me, I  just agreed with BPipaS

Maybe one lady likes to wear dresses and one doesn't. Maybe it's not about you and your assumptions about gender roles at all.

You got me all wrong, sunshine, I have no assumptions about gender roles, but I sure has hell know what traditional gender roles are.  My question was why play to the stereotype 'traditional' marriage, especially when you don't need too?  Unless you are going out of your way to try and conform to traditional roles. NTTAWWT.

What's the stereotype you believe they're conforming to, knowing absolutely zero about their lives and all? Why do they need your wardrobe approval at their wedding?

Are you really that obtuse?


Well argued.
Now how about you stop telling lesbians that they're selling out by wearing clothes you don't approve of, or whatever the fark you're going on about.
 
2013-02-11 12:16:56 AM

sno man: eddiesocket: sno man: eddiesocket: sno man: Because People in power are Stupid: I find that picture quite appropriate. That same sex couple is falling into gender role stereotypes because that makes sense.

Actually you might be on to something there...  Why not just both be an a dress (for innies), or both in a suit (for outies) or whatever. Why go to the trouble of imposing gender roles where they don't actually apply?  If not for some measure toward conformity.

/someone hold me, I  just agreed with BPipaS

Maybe one lady likes to wear dresses and one doesn't. Maybe it's not about you and your assumptions about gender roles at all.

You got me all wrong, sunshine, I have no assumptions about gender roles, but I sure has hell know what traditional gender roles are.  My question was why play to the stereotype 'traditional' marriage, especially when you don't need too?  Unless you are going out of your way to try and conform to traditional roles. NTTAWWT.

What's the stereotype you believe they're conforming to, knowing absolutely zero about their lives and all? Why do they need your wardrobe approval at their wedding?

Are you really that obtuse?


or maybe you're just learning English?
 
2013-02-11 12:18:09 AM

eddiesocket: sno man: eddiesocket: sno man: eddiesocket: sno man: Because People in power are Stupid: I find that picture quite appropriate. That same sex couple is falling into gender role stereotypes because that makes sense.

Actually you might be on to something there...  Why not just both be an a dress (for innies), or both in a suit (for outies) or whatever. Why go to the trouble of imposing gender roles where they don't actually apply?  If not for some measure toward conformity.

/someone hold me, I  just agreed with BPipaS

Maybe one lady likes to wear dresses and one doesn't. Maybe it's not about you and your assumptions about gender roles at all.

You got me all wrong, sunshine, I have no assumptions about gender roles, but I sure has hell know what traditional gender roles are.  My question was why play to the stereotype 'traditional' marriage, especially when you don't need too?  Unless you are going out of your way to try and conform to traditional roles. NTTAWWT.

What's the stereotype you believe they're conforming to, knowing absolutely zero about their lives and all? Why do they need your wardrobe approval at their wedding?

Are you really that obtuse?

Well argued.
Now how about you stop telling lesbians that they're selling out by wearing clothes you don't approve of, or whatever the fark you're going on about.


approve? WTF...dude(?) grow up.
 
2013-02-11 12:20:12 AM
Lela Mc Arthur and Stephanie Figarelle of Anchorag, Alaska

Figures.
 
2013-02-11 12:28:16 AM

Doktor_Zhivago: That is either one hot dude as the bride or one ugly chick as the groom.  I can't tell...


I realize that no women in your church would ever cut their hair short, so her hairstyle makes you confused and angry, but I'd say that's a pretty handsome dyke.
 
2013-02-11 12:30:15 AM

pciszek: papillon3111: Either way, not worth reading.

You were quoting a conversation three quotes deep, but I can't find any of it on this page prior to your cite.  How does that work?


Huh, mods must have zapped it. Probably missed my quote of it.
 
2013-02-11 12:38:49 AM
I actually learned something today:

www.todayifoundout.com

/honestly did not know much about the larynx
 
2013-02-11 12:39:45 AM

beta_plus: Infernalist: beta_plus: Assuming that you are not gay (NTTAWWT), yeah, actually you do.

Happiness is a reward given to you by your genetics for doing things that would have furthered your survival and you genes survival for millions of years.  If you deny your hunter-gatherer roots, you are doomed to be unhappy.

Now, does that mean that a woman should be barefoot and pregnant cooking in the kitchen?  No.  But she and her husband had better do the basic things that keep each other happy on an instinctual level when possible.  If you're a guy, be the manly man that makes your wife happy.  Keep in mind that one of the main things that keeps her happy is you standing up to the challenges she will instinctually give you to test that you are manly.  This used to be called flirting.

Ladies, be feminine around the man you care about.  Make him feel welcomed and desired.  Obviously, test him a bit but have the good sense to do it at the right times.  Kind of like how he shouldn't demand sex from you at the wrong times.  Basically, be sweet and kind if he has proven to be worthy of it.  Don't be a biatch unless it is truly necessary.

Your handle is apt.

Yeah, I'm sure you banging models right now in your hummer stretch limo.  At least, that's probably what you're fantasizing in your mom's basement.


It's kinda hilarious how defensive you're being, but none of that changes the basic argument that everyone is making about your initial post; Your comprehension of relationships is embarrassingly naive and primitive.

Have you even ever been married, or dated long term? Were you compelled to be the "manly man" while she "tested" you, or told you were "demanding sex" at the wrong times?

/It's that last point that the creepiest, by the way.
 
2013-02-11 01:17:55 AM

Mija: It's a picture of a woman trying to take on the role of a man. I don't think anyone thought that was a man. It's very appropriate for the article.. I think you guys are a little dense.


I don't think a happy looking woman "taking on the role of a man" really supports the author's assertion that she could only really be happy if she was fulfilling the traditional female role.
 
2013-02-11 01:20:22 AM

Genevieve Marie: beta_plus: I'm sorry that basic biological truths hurt your feelings. I'm sure we can pass a law against it.

You might want to be a little more careful of asserting that stuff as "basic biological truths". It's pseudoscience at best, and total junk at its worst.

Most good scientists recognize that biological sex is a pretty poor indicator of behavior and of strengths and weaknesses.


By most, you mean pretty much none that has in any way examined the behavior of human beings.

The notion that all human behavior is cultural and none of it biological is basically 20th century social scientists who where afraid that if it were otherwise then racism was justified and women would be all barefoot and pregnant.

There is profound differences in behavior between the genders.  They exist in every society on this planet.    Violence is one of the most obvious.  Men are far more violent then women.

There have been boys who by accident lost a penis as babies.  So vaginas were made surgically and they were raised as girls.   And yet they self-identified as boys even without being told that they were boys.

Of course, very few to none of the real gender differences has anything to do with the ability to learn a job that requires using one's intelligence.  (There have been studies that suggest one sex is better at certain mental tasks than the other, but the overlap is great to make it worthless for judging a person.)
 
2013-02-11 01:20:59 AM

ZoeNekros: FTFA(Fox): Prior to the 1970s, people viewed gender roles as as equally valuable. Many would argue women had the better end of the deal!

Yes. The roles were viewed as equally valuable -- unfortunately, the people we not.
And yes, many would argue that. Many people are idiots.

I also liked this gem:
  FTFA(Fox): Those of us with children know better. We know little girls love their dolls and boys just want to kick that ball. This doesn't mean men can't take care of babies or women can't play sports. It just means each gender has its own energy that flows in a specific direction. For God's sake, let it flow.

It's actually a fair point, but the author is contradicting herself without realizing it. She is right: people should not care about gender trends. That's just data. People shouldn't actively try to fight against biology (when it's not harmful). But, she applies that insight selectively to people who actively go against gender trend simply because they are gender trends; she insults and slights the outliers of the trends. She essentially demands universal compliance. Most boys do x, so all boys should do x. Heaven forbid a boy grows up to like other boys; if he does, then he very much must not go with the flow. Fight the flow, boy; FIGHT IT!

/granted homosexuality wasn't specifically mentioned, but the point remains RE outliers of any gender trend.


Oh, I get it now. The reason I turned out to be gay was because my parents were fighting natural gender roles by giving me cars and trucks and blocks to play with and by teaching me to play sports (well, trying, anyway, I have zero eye-hand coordination so it didn't really work). If only they hadn't handed down all of my older brother's toys to me and had given me more than one Barbie doll to play with, I'd be straight and married with a half dozen kids by now. That's just what happens when you try to fight against nature.
 
2013-02-11 01:25:14 AM

dickfreckle: Chinchillazilla: I'm not a lesbian, but I'd get married in jeans and a t-shirt if my family would let me get away with it.

Finally, someone who isn't a redneck said it. If I'm ever dumb enough to follow through on my threats of marriage, I'm showing up in flip-flops, my favorite worn-out jeans, and probably a Saints hat.

I ask of the world - who doesn't like wearing flops and an NFL hat? Am I really an asshole for it being my go-to outfit?


The only part of that making you an asshole is the Saints hat....
 
2013-02-11 01:40:53 AM

clowncar on fire: TopoGigo: Genevieve Marie: beta_plus: I'm sorry that basic biological truths hurt your feelings. I'm sure we can pass a law against it.

You might want to be a little more careful of asserting that stuff as "basic biological truths". It's pseudoscience at best, and total junk at its worst.

Most good scientists recognize that biological sex is a pretty poor indicator of behavior and of strengths and weaknesses.

Define "poor". Depending on your sex, you are statistically more likely to have certain physiological strengths and weaknesses. Depending on your sex, you are statistically more likely to have certain mental strengths and weaknesses. Depending on your sex, you are--according to research where it's impossible to control all the variables--probably more likely to display certain psychological tendencies.

It's sh*t for precision, but it's a pretty good statistical indicator. Similarly, actuarial tables won't tell me when I'll die, but they give a pretty good statistical picture of how many years a 6'1", 260lb, 35yo male with a 20-year smoking habit and a weekend binge drinking habit from Appalachia might live.

Quite frankly, I'm amazed you had enough time to finish your response.


I'm actually having a heart attack as we speak, so I'm really getting a kick out of GGGRRRKKKK!
 
2013-02-11 01:41:16 AM

Gyrfalcon: Oh, because somebody wanted her traditional white-wedding-gown wedding, you MAN! Sheesh! All little girls want their dream wedding! Just becoming a lesbian doesn't change that! I can tell by looking she wanted her white dress and veil and cake and nobody--NOBODY--was going to cheat her out of that. Being gay doesn't mean you give up your dreams.


Is this sarcasm?

I can't tell anymore :(

Anyway, where does teh white gown princess for a day dream come from?
 
2013-02-11 01:41:37 AM
media.smithsonianmag.com

FDR conforming to traditional gender roles of his time.
 
2013-02-11 02:46:41 AM

sendtodave: Gyrfalcon: Oh, because somebody wanted her traditional white-wedding-gown wedding, you MAN! Sheesh! All little girls want their dream wedding! Just becoming a lesbian doesn't change that! I can tell by looking she wanted her white dress and veil and cake and nobody--NOBODY--was going to cheat her out of that. Being gay doesn't mean you give up your dreams.

Is this sarcasm?

I can't tell anymore :(

Anyway, where does teh white gown princess for a day dream come from?


Two parts from Walt Disney's rotting corpse, and one part from the ghost of Jane Austen.
 
2013-02-11 02:46:46 AM

gingerjet: Chinchillazilla: sno man: Because People in power are Stupid: I find that picture quite appropriate. That same sex couple is falling into gender role stereotypes because that makes sense.

Actually you might be on to something there...  Why not just both be an a dress (for innies), or both in a suit (for outies) or whatever. Why go to the trouble of imposing gender roles where they don't actually apply?  If not for some measure toward conformity.

/someone hold me, I  just agreed with BPipaS

Well, both wearing a dress just because they're women is what's actually conforming ro gender roles. I'm guessing the woman in the suit is not the type of woman who's ever been comfortable in a dress. Some of us aren't. I'm not a lesbian, but I'd get married in jeans and a t-shirt if my family would let me get away with it.

Fark the family. When my bf and I get married it will be in tshirts and flip flops. The wedding is not for them - its for you.


Yeah, I know. I kind of exaggerated with "if they would let me". They'd let me and wouldn't argue, but I think my mom would enjoy the whole "dress-shopping, makeover, girl time" thing, so I'd probably go traditional just for that.

/moot anyway
//marriage is not on my radar
 
2013-02-11 02:52:07 AM

g4lt: Chinchillazilla: How can you even do that on accident? I could Google "wedding kiss" and find you hundreds of thousands of stock photos of heterosexual couples kissing in like thirty seconds.

it's a top result because it was a rather historic marriage, one of the first same-sex marriages in New York, and clearly the first same-sex on the Empire State Building


I doubt it was the first same-sex on the Empire State, just the first wedding.
 
2013-02-11 06:55:19 AM
I'll never understand how a woman says she doesn't like men and is a lesbian and yet her girlfriend dresses and acts like a man. makes no sense.
 
2013-02-11 07:15:11 AM

Waldo Pepper: I'll never understand how a woman says she doesn't like men and is a lesbian and yet her girlfriend dresses and acts like a man. makes no sense.


Here's an idea: go find some lesbians who are willing to talk about what it is to them to be a lesbian and ask them. Just don't be condescending.  You'll probably have a better understanding of their perspective of attraction then.  Then you don't have to make the same boring comments that everyone  makes when topics like this emerge. I'm not a part of the gay community, but I'm friends with quite a few that are..so when I see a phenomenon I don't understand, I ask about it and they explain it to me.
 
2013-02-11 08:10:29 AM

gulogulo: Waldo Pepper: I'll never understand how a woman says she doesn't like men and is a lesbian and yet her girlfriend dresses and acts like a man. makes no sense.

Here's an idea: go find some lesbians who are willing to talk about what it is to them to be a lesbian and ask them. Just don't be condescending.  You'll probably have a better understanding of their perspective of attraction then.  Then you don't have to make the same boring comments that everyone  makes when topics like this emerge. I'm not a part of the gay community, but I'm friends with quite a few that are..so when I see a phenomenon I don't understand, I ask about it and they explain it to me.


just no
don't ask
trust me
 
2013-02-11 08:20:24 AM

Waldo Pepper: I'll never understand how a woman says she doesn't like men and is a lesbian and yet her girlfriend dresses and acts like a man. makes no sense.


Maybe you should only concern yourself with your own sexual preferences? Get the idea here...
 
2013-02-11 09:55:37 AM
I honestly think Conservatives have no gaydar. Zero. They think Marcus Bachmann is as straight as an arrow, so there's that.

Their gaydar is so non-existent, many of them are walking around, living a life that's a cross of The Adventures of Priscilla  Queen Of The Desert and The Sixth Sense. We see queer people, but many of them don't even know they're gay.

i301.photobucket.com

Republican version of a straight flush.

/NNTAWWT...
 
2013-02-11 09:58:45 AM

Waldo Pepper: I'll never understand how a woman says she doesn't like men and is a lesbian and yet her girlfriend dresses and acts like a man. makes no sense.


I'm straight, but women with this kind of short haircut?

www.hairfinder.com

Hubba hubba. Must be the exposed neck and earlobes or something. All I know is: pretty women, nice. Pretty women with short hair, super nice.
 
2013-02-11 10:10:00 AM

gulogulo: Waldo Pepper: I'll never understand how a woman says she doesn't like men and is a lesbian and yet her girlfriend dresses and acts like a man. makes no sense.

Here's an idea: go find some lesbians who are willing to talk about what it is to them to be a lesbian and ask them. Just don't be condescending.  You'll probably have a better understanding of their perspective of attraction then.  Then you don't have to make the same boring comments that everyone  makes when topics like this emerge. I'm not a part of the gay community, but I'm friends with quite a few that are..so when I see a phenomenon I don't understand, I ask about it and they explain it to me.


what and get some answer that is a lie and only designed to justify their abnormal desires.A woman who says she is a lesbian but only is attracted to butch type women has issues and really is a woman who wants a man but has been told and came to believe she is a lesbian.
 
2013-02-11 10:27:11 AM

TheMysteriousStranger: There have been boys who by accident lost a penis as babies.


"Accident" generally meaning "botched circumcision."
 
2013-02-11 10:38:13 AM

rynthetyn: Oh, I get it now. The reason I turned out to be gay was because my parents were fighting natural gender roles by giving me cars and trucks and blocks to play with and by teaching me to play sports (well, trying, anyway, I have zero eye-hand coordination so it didn't really work). If only they hadn't handed down all of my older brother's toys to me and had given me more than one Barbie doll to play with, I'd be straight and married with a half dozen kids by now. That's just what happens when you try to fight against nature.


We both know that some people actually believe such nonsense.

/[D]ark, benighted, putrid corner of crackerdom, indeed.
 
2013-02-11 10:38:48 AM

Waldo Pepper: gulogulo: Waldo Pepper: I'll never understand how a woman says she doesn't like men and is a lesbian and yet her girlfriend dresses and acts like a man. makes no sense.

Here's an idea: go find some lesbians who are willing to talk about what it is to them to be a lesbian and ask them. Just don't be condescending.  You'll probably have a better understanding of their perspective of attraction then.  Then you don't have to make the same boring comments that everyone  makes when topics like this emerge. I'm not a part of the gay community, but I'm friends with quite a few that are..so when I see a phenomenon I don't understand, I ask about it and they explain it to me.

what and get some answer that is a lie and only designed to justify their abnormal desires.A woman who says she is a lesbian but only is attracted to butch type women has issues and really is a woman who wants a man but has been told and came to believe she is a lesbian.


I see. So your issue is that you don't believe that people can be naturally lesbian, or that all lesbians must be girly girls, attracted to other girly girls. This is in spite of the fact that many men are attracted to women who are not girly at all. Does that make them secretly gay? Or is it possible at all that people are attracted to other people for reasons aside from the way they look and that people generally dress however they feel the most comfortable (business suits aside)?
 
2013-02-11 10:40:04 AM

Selena Luna: Waldo Pepper: gulogulo: Waldo Pepper: I'll never understand how a woman says she doesn't like men and is a lesbian and yet her girlfriend dresses and acts like a man. makes no sense.

Here's an idea: go find some lesbians who are willing to talk about what it is to them to be a lesbian and ask them. Just don't be condescending.  You'll probably have a better understanding of their perspective of attraction then.  Then you don't have to make the same boring comments that everyone  makes when topics like this emerge. I'm not a part of the gay community, but I'm friends with quite a few that are..so when I see a phenomenon I don't understand, I ask about it and they explain it to me.

what and get some answer that is a lie and only designed to justify their abnormal desires.A woman who says she is a lesbian but only is attracted to butch type women has issues and really is a woman who wants a man but has been told and came to believe she is a lesbian.

I see. So your issue is that you don't believe that people can be naturally lesbian, or that all lesbians must be girly girls, attracted to other girly girls. This is in spite of the fact that many men are attracted to women who are not girly at all. Does that make them secretly gay? Or is it possible at all that people are attracted to other people for reasons aside from the way they look and that people generally dress however they feel the most comfortable (business suits aside)?


i stand by what I said..
 
2013-02-11 10:51:27 AM

Selena Luna: Waldo Pepper: gulogulo: Waldo Pepper: I'll never understand how a woman says she doesn't like men and is a lesbian and yet her girlfriend dresses and acts like a man. makes no sense.

Here's an idea: go find some lesbians who are willing to talk about what it is to them to be a lesbian and ask them. Just don't be condescending.  You'll probably have a better understanding of their perspective of attraction then.  Then you don't have to make the same boring comments that everyone  makes when topics like this emerge. I'm not a part of the gay community, but I'm friends with quite a few that are..so when I see a phenomenon I don't understand, I ask about it and they explain it to me.

what and get some answer that is a lie and only designed to justify their abnormal desires.A woman who says she is a lesbian but only is attracted to butch type women has issues and really is a woman who wants a man but has been told and came to believe she is a lesbian.

I see. So your issue is that you don't believe that people can be naturally lesbian, or that all lesbians must be girly girls, attracted to other girly girls. This is in spite of the fact that many men are attracted to women who are not girly at all. Does that make them secretly gay? Or is it possible at all that people are attracted to other people for reasons aside from the way they look and that people generally dress however they feel the most comfortable (business suits aside)?


Please don't feed it.

/Tell Lester I said, "Yá'át'ééh ."
 
2013-02-11 10:51:55 AM

Jackpot777: Waldo Pepper: I'll never understand how a woman says she doesn't like men and is a lesbian and yet her girlfriend dresses and acts like a man. makes no sense.

I'm straight, but women with this kind of short haircut?

[www.hairfinder.com image 299x400]

Hubba hubba. Must be the exposed neck and earlobes or something. All I know is: pretty women, nice. Pretty women with short hair, super nice.


3.bp.blogspot.com

static.betazeta.com
 
2013-02-11 11:03:45 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Selena Luna: Waldo Pepper: gulogulo: Waldo Pepper: I'll never understand how a woman says she doesn't like men and is a lesbian and yet her girlfriend dresses and acts like a man. makes no sense.

Here's an idea: go find some lesbians who are willing to talk about what it is to them to be a lesbian and ask them. Just don't be condescending.  You'll probably have a better understanding of their perspective of attraction then.  Then you don't have to make the same boring comments that everyone  makes when topics like this emerge. I'm not a part of the gay community, but I'm friends with quite a few that are..so when I see a phenomenon I don't understand, I ask about it and they explain it to me.

what and get some answer that is a lie and only designed to justify their abnormal desires.A woman who says she is a lesbian but only is attracted to butch type women has issues and really is a woman who wants a man but has been told and came to believe she is a lesbian.

I see. So your issue is that you don't believe that people can be naturally lesbian, or that all lesbians must be girly girls, attracted to other girly girls. This is in spite of the fact that many men are attracted to women who are not girly at all. Does that make them secretly gay? Or is it possible at all that people are attracted to other people for reasons aside from the way they look and that people generally dress however they feel the most comfortable (business suits aside)?

Please don't feed it.

/Tell Lester I said, "Yá'át'ééh ."


I know five Lesters, and there are 120,000 people on this rez, but if I see your particular Lester, I will certainly tell him hello.
 
2013-02-11 11:52:40 AM

Waldo Pepper: gulogulo: Waldo Pepper: I'll never understand how a woman says she doesn't like men and is a lesbian and yet her girlfriend dresses and acts like a man. makes no sense.

Here's an idea: go find some lesbians who are willing to talk about what it is to them to be a lesbian and ask them. Just don't be condescending.  You'll probably have a better understanding of their perspective of attraction then.  Then you don't have to make the same boring comments that everyone  makes when topics like this emerge. I'm not a part of the gay community, but I'm friends with quite a few that are..so when I see a phenomenon I don't understand, I ask about it and they explain it to me.

what and get some answer that is a lie and only designed to justify their abnormal desires.A woman who says she is a lesbian but only is attracted to butch type women has issues and really is a woman who wants a man but has been told and came to believe she is a lesbian.


What's wrong with fulfilling abnormal desires? I'd find the world to be incredibly boring if everyone fit so neatly into all your little boxes...
 
2013-02-11 12:15:05 PM

RugNug: ariseatex: winterbraid: PsiChick: Though it may end up on FSTDT soon...

FSTDT?

*google*

well, there goes my evening.

How did I not know about that site until now?

Aww man...I knew I shouldn't have clicked.


It was the acronym.. it was so cryptic.... Now I can't stop

Damn you.. damn you straight to hell!
 
2013-02-11 12:23:55 PM

Dear Jerk: Underpaid and disgusted non-wingnut Fox intern who managed to embarrass the company #312.


I'm starting to agree that FN isn't necessarily incompetent but filled with a few people who like to sabotage it occasionally. Well, they may be incompetent too but not nearly as much as they appear, due to sabotage.
 
2013-02-11 12:44:58 PM

vygramul: Jackpot777: Waldo Pepper: I'll never understand how a woman says she doesn't like men and is a lesbian and yet her girlfriend dresses and acts like a man. makes no sense.

I'm straight, but women with this kind of short haircut?

[www.hairfinder.com image 299x400]

Hubba hubba. Must be the exposed neck and earlobes or something. All I know is: pretty women, nice. Pretty women with short hair, super nice.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 317x460]

[static.betazeta.com image 376x490]


I can fap to that.

/I'll be in my bunk.
 
2013-02-11 12:55:41 PM

omgbears: Waldo Pepper: gulogulo: Waldo Pepper: I'll never understand how a woman says she doesn't like men and is a lesbian and yet her girlfriend dresses and acts like a man. makes no sense.

Here's an idea: go find some lesbians who are willing to talk about what it is to them to be a lesbian and ask them. Just don't be condescending.  You'll probably have a better understanding of their perspective of attraction then.  Then you don't have to make the same boring comments that everyone  makes when topics like this emerge. I'm not a part of the gay community, but I'm friends with quite a few that are..so when I see a phenomenon I don't understand, I ask about it and they explain it to me.

what and get some answer that is a lie and only designed to justify their abnormal desires.A woman who says she is a lesbian but only is attracted to butch type women has issues and really is a woman who wants a man but has been told and came to believe she is a lesbian.

What's wrong with fulfilling abnormal desires? I'd find the world to be incredibly boring if everyone fit so neatly into all your little boxes...


not my box. nothing is right with abnormal.  odd, kinky, unique, different, fun desires are fine.
 
2013-02-11 01:10:42 PM

Waldo Pepper: Selena Luna: Waldo Pepper: gulogulo: Waldo Pepper: I'll never understand how a woman says she doesn't like men and is a lesbian and yet her girlfriend dresses and acts like a man. makes no sense.

Here's an idea: go find some lesbians who are willing to talk about what it is to them to be a lesbian and ask them. Just don't be condescending.  You'll probably have a better understanding of their perspective of attraction then.  Then you don't have to make the same boring comments that everyone  makes when topics like this emerge. I'm not a part of the gay community, but I'm friends with quite a few that are..so when I see a phenomenon I don't understand, I ask about it and they explain it to me.

what and get some answer that is a lie and only designed to justify their abnormal desires.A woman who says she is a lesbian but only is attracted to butch type women has issues and really is a woman who wants a man but has been told and came to believe she is a lesbian.

I see. So your issue is that you don't believe that people can be naturally lesbian, or that all lesbians must be girly girls, attracted to other girly girls. This is in spite of the fact that many men are attracted to women who are not girly at all. Does that make them secretly gay? Or is it possible at all that people are attracted to other people for reasons aside from the way they look and that people generally dress however they feel the most comfortable (business suits aside)?

i stand by what I said..


Heh. Translation: You curbed stomped me and  I got nothin'.
/Go crawl back in your cave, asshole.
 
2013-02-11 01:48:52 PM

hubiestubert: Chinchillazilla: How can you even do that on accident? I could Google "wedding kiss" and find you hundreds of thousands of stock photos of heterosexual couples kissing in like thirty seconds.

I hope the staffer who popped that up got a good chortle before being escorted to the door incinerator.


More likely.
 
2013-02-11 04:07:57 PM

PsiChick: quatchi: ariseatex: winterbraid: PsiChick: Though it may end up on FSTDT soon...

FSTDT?

*google*

well, there goes my evening.

How did I not know about that site until now?

Me and all. Knew about Bad Astromony, Right Wing Watch and the Skeptic's Annotated Bible but FSTDT is a new one for me.

Good eye. Ta.

Thanks! :) I try to avoid it, too much and I get crazy depressed, but it's like chocolate. You just can't stay away.

beta_plus: Well, you're now farkied as "Damn, this guy thinks he's a beta".

Don't feel too complimented, I'm using the term I learned from fanfiction pron.

Hope your enjoy your cats.

/at least I'm honest about where I am
//best of luck in your case

You know, I can have sex pretty much whenever I want. Sex with people who  don't expect me to conform to a personality quiz made up by someone with no understanding of science.

Somehow, I don't see an embittered Omega doing anywhere near as well...

/Make sure you know a clinic that provides STD checks.


And I am now lost in TSTDT.  Damn you!
 
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