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(ABC Local)   When a sixth-grader is left IN A COMA after a schoolyard fight, I think you need to use a stronger word than "bullying" to describe the attack, and maybe hand out a punishment stiffer than a two-day suspension   (abclocal.go.com) divider line 62
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2013-02-08 11:55:43 AM  
15 votes:
the kid (victim) should have claimed the bullies pointed their fingers at him and said bang!
They would have been expulsed that day.
2013-02-08 02:19:36 PM  
10 votes:

ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.


It's also manslaughter.
2013-02-08 02:12:40 PM  
8 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: So, "Zero Tolerance" only applies when someone throws an imaginary hand grenade?


It's really very simple: the kid throwing an imaginary hand grenade is a nice, normal, kid who the school can terrorize and make an example of to show how "tough" they are.

A kid capable of beating a fellow student into a coma probably has a "rap sheet" already in the school, not to mention a differential diagnois of anti-social personality disorder, or ADHD or somesuch, so the school adminstrators are worried about getting hit with an IDEA lawsuit if the crack down on HIM,  besides, the school counselor thinks he's a "troubled kid"  from a bad home, and is therefore a perfect reclamation project where she gets to actually USE that LCSW  degree she earned before getting the job.
2013-02-08 02:21:50 PM  
7 votes:

ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.


You may wish to familiarize yourself with the "Eggshell skull" theory that is contained within our laws.  If you do something "wrong" you are liable for the consequences of that wrong action, no matter how unanticipated they may be by you.   Thus: You pnch someone, and it turns out that he has a rare genetic disorder that makes his skull as brittle as an eggshell? You are liable for his injuries, even though you had no way of knowing about his condition, because you shouldn;t have punched him in the first place.
2013-02-08 02:30:55 PM  
5 votes:

doubled99: Kids fight. It was a freak occurrence. There is no need to treat the kid like a criminal.


the kid is absolutely a criminal... if it had happened anywhere outside of school, the kid that beat him up would be charged with assault
2013-02-08 01:46:06 PM  
5 votes:
So, "Zero Tolerance" only applies when someone throws an imaginary hand grenade?
2013-02-08 03:01:48 PM  
4 votes:

2 Replies: Subby.... It was a MEDICALLY induced coma. Meaning the fight didn't put him into it, the doctors did as a preventative measure. A coma isn't always a BAD thing.


Because he was having violent seizures.
2013-02-08 02:27:38 PM  
4 votes:
In Sweden, bullies are identified early on in grade school. Rather than suppress the trait, the bullies are taught to think of themselves as 'sheep dogs', and their classmates are the flock they protect. They still 'bully' and sometimes berate, but with their behaviour corrected to a useful or at least more benign role.

Same bully, same jackass really, but he's picking on you for cutting class instead of how you comb your hair.
2013-02-08 02:17:39 PM  
4 votes:
"Keep an eye out for it, it's something that's very serious. Sometimes kids are afraid to tell their parents that they're being bullied because of the embarrassment," O'Neill said.

Says the guy who doesn't understand bullying or how it works.

It's got nothing to do with being embarrassed and everything to do with retribution.  If you "tell" you're only going to get it ten times worse, if you're lucky.
2013-02-08 02:16:04 PM  
4 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: So, "Zero Tolerance" only applies when someone throws an imaginary hand grenade?


1. It's Philadelphia

2. It's "Professional " educators making the decision

3. The victim is a white male so on some level he had it coming.
2013-02-08 02:10:10 PM  
4 votes:
Does someone have to get shot before they'll call the police? Sounds like they didn't do anything until the kid was in the hospital.
2013-02-08 02:09:57 PM  
4 votes:
Sometimes, I wish eye for an eye were a thing we did.  Sometimes.

See if the bully would be so eager to beat the snot out of some kid, if someone even bigger than the bully then got to come and do the same thing.
2013-02-08 02:26:47 PM  
3 votes:
Zero tolerance only applies when it's one of the cool kids that gets hurt.

Sadly that isn't a troll.
2013-02-08 02:21:03 PM  
3 votes:
IN A COMA after a schoolyard fight

IN A COMA because of a schoolyard fight


/post hoc ergo propter hoc nazi
2013-02-08 02:18:46 PM  
3 votes:

vudukungfu: edmo: Does someone have to get shot before they'll call the police? Sounds like they didn't do anything until the kid was in the hospital.

No. Someone needs and asswhoopin and the cops need to stay out of it.
It's called being a parent and cutting a switch.
You park the welts on the backside with the belt and the little shiats will learn not to misbehave.

Or you can be a babydaddy, and not do jack fark about your spawn.
In which case, yous hould be in prison for failing to mind your crotch fruit.
It's the farking law.


That doesn't work these days, they teach the kids to dial 911 when their parents do such logical things.
2013-02-08 03:55:17 PM  
2 votes:

fawlty: Just think, if the bullies had cut his hair, they'd be looking at 15 years in the slammer.



Not if their daddy's rich.


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2013-02-08 03:40:38 PM  
2 votes:

2 Replies: Subby.... It was a MEDICALLY induced coma. Meaning the fight didn't put him into it, the doctors did as a preventative measure. A coma isn't always a BAD thing.


A "medically induced coma" in this instance is intended to limit the life threatening swelling of this child's brain.  It's not a preventative measure.  It's an attempt to save his life.
2013-02-08 02:35:39 PM  
2 votes:

doubled99: Kids fight. It was a freak occurrence. There is no need to treat the kid like a criminal.


Something tells that if it had been your kid pummeled into a coma you wouldn't be so cavalier.

farking idiot.
2013-02-08 02:32:11 PM  
2 votes:

ChaoticLimbs: People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.


This is what I love about Fark.

Where people who don't know what they're talking about get to definitively explain the law.

And get every particular 100-percent wrong.

Shoe past someone and they fall and subsequently die.  Did you "kill" him?  Yes.

Assault someone and they eventually die as a result?  That's Murder.

Congratulations.  You are 100-percent wrong.

Go to the rear of the class.
2013-02-08 02:26:02 PM  
2 votes:
But if the kid responds to the bullying with a gun they will blame the kid and call him crazy instead of addressing the real issue of bullying
2013-02-08 02:22:41 PM  
2 votes:
Well thank god he didn't draw a picture of a gun while at school or else he would be out for a week!
2013-02-08 02:18:29 PM  
2 votes:

Elandriel: Sometimes, I wish eye for an eye were a thing we did.  Sometimes.

See if the bully would be so eager to beat the snot out of some kid, if someone even bigger than the bully then got to come and do the same thing.



I always wish it was an eye for an eye.  What's not fair about that?

You can bet a lot less sh*t would go on.
2013-02-08 02:18:08 PM  
2 votes:
My wife works at the elementary school up the street.  Last week one of the teachers there got put into a headlock by a student.  In the esuing scuffle, he somehow ended up breaking her hand.

See, to me, that's a simple matter of assault.  No question.  The kid should have been taken away by the police, and suspended for at least a few weeks.

But, in this case, the Principle just yelled at the kid and sent him home.  He was back the next day.

That's pretty f'n stupid.  If that were my wife with the broken hand, I would have gone to the kid's hous and kicked his father's ass for being a lousy parent.
2013-02-08 02:17:12 PM  
2 votes:
Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.
Pud
2013-02-08 12:03:53 PM  
2 votes:
And here in Georgia they are expelling several kids for a food fight during lunch. I think I'm starting to see the logic behind school punishments. Damned near kill a kid: Stay home and play video games for a couple of days and think about what you did. Throw some mashed potatoes, or point a finger and say bang (as DownDaRiver pointed out): YOOOUUURRR'E OUTTA' HERE !!!!
2013-02-08 04:11:54 PM  
1 votes:

Jim from Saint Paul: Came for the people saying "it's only a medial coma".

Leaving satisfied and still shaking my head in disbelief at these people.


You mean to tell me that it's not a big deal to place someone under a general anesthetic, chemical paralysis, mechanical ventilation, with an intracranial pressure monitor sticking into their brain, a central venous line, a Foley catheter in their bladder, a feeding tube in their duodenum, and on diuretics for days and weeks at a time?  Surely nothing bad could happen with such simple preventative measures.
2013-02-08 03:58:30 PM  
1 votes:

LeroyBourne: No joke, I knew this guy who had a 4th and 5th grader, and like every day when they got home he would ask what they learned.  One day one of them answered 'if mommy or you ever hit us we're supposed to call 911.'  He was shocked, and pissed the way the schools are going down hill, and this was well over a decade ago.


Yeah, it was better in the olden days, when schools looked the other way when parents were abusing their children.
2013-02-08 03:38:41 PM  
1 votes:

MycroftHolmes: ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.

The law does not agree.  Locally, a man was charged with murder because he got in a barfight(he was drunk) with another man (who was also drunk).  One punch, the drunk fell back and hit his head.  This was deemed murder (not sure where the settled out).  In reality, outcomes do matter.


That is the plot to Con Air.
2013-02-08 03:31:18 PM  
1 votes:
Used to get bullied constantly by group of 6 kids in HS growing up. After multiple times of me getting jumped by a group of people getting my face smashed in, school did nothing, parents did nothing, police did nothing. Well, until I had enough of that shiat and brought a baseball bat to school one day. Waited for three days for them to start with me during lunch break. Beat two of them bloody with the bat, other 4 ran. I get arrested for assault for defending myself and I get the criminal record. No one messed with me again after that.

//Moral of the story, just get a weapon
2013-02-08 03:28:04 PM  
1 votes:

Dinobot: I remember being bullied when I was in middle school until I had enough of it and beat the crap out of one of my tormentors... a teacher dragged me and the other kid into the principal's office.

Principal just took a look at me, told me to wash my face and go back to class and that she would take care care of the other kid.

Didn't get suspended and was never bothered from that point on.

/RIP Principal =(


Sounds like you had a good principal.

Whenever I tried to report bullying I was either told to "just ignore them" or "just don't cry" (as if I can control an involuntary function!), or I was told to essentially stop being me so I wouldn't give them anything to bully me over. Yes, the appropriate response to a 7-year old girl crying is to tell her it's her fault for being so clumsy, or ugly, or whatever else the kids were saying to her.

fark you to all the adults who either blamed me or did nothing. You can bet that during my brief stint as a teacher, I paid attention and was extra nice to the awkward kids who got picked on, and didn't allow it to happen in my sight. I also try to be extra nice to my poor niece who gets bullied by her own family. Kids suck, but adults suck worse because we should know better.
2013-02-08 03:20:49 PM  
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: Mr Guy: Warlordtrooper: I completely understand why victims of bullying shoot up schools

Cowardice.

Negative. They simply are using tools to make the fight a bit more fair


As one of the recipients of bullying stories I have yet to hear be topped, where I learned to get to classes by using school rooftops and crawlspaces, I agree that it's cowardice.

I never became one of those farkers, and I never used my pain to justify being worse than them.

It is cowardice. That they were seriously injured themselves doesn't make murder any less wrong.

I grok that rage, humiliation and seething resentment. I will never let it control me though. fark those people.
2013-02-08 03:15:16 PM  
1 votes:

doubled99: Kids fight. It was a freak occurrence. There is no need to treat the kid like a criminal.


So who's gonna pay the freakishly large hospital bill? The victim's family? The bully's family? The school's insurance?

Prosecute the bully and school district; win judgment; profit.
2013-02-08 03:14:34 PM  
1 votes:
<i>honor student, an athlete </i>

Some of the biggest bullies I knew fit that profile.
2013-02-08 03:12:56 PM  
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: I completely understand why victims of bullying shoot up schools


Cowardice.
2013-02-08 03:03:41 PM  
1 votes:

StaleCoffee: hitlersbrain: I believe any bullies need to be ostracised... permanently. They're the lowest of human scum and one of the most disruptive and destructive elements of society. That being said, you really can't treat the kid any different than you would if his victim had not gone into a coma.

I remember one of the things my moron teachers would always say... it takes two to make a fight. It was their way of passing the buck by blaming the victim (me). It's surprising how many teachers are borderline retarded, even in 'good' schools.

I don't believe bullies should be permanently ostracized, but I do think punishments need to be a lot better thought out. Given no way to make good on what they did then why should they bother being anything other than bullying pricks?

I tell my sons that it takes two to fight, because if you just sit there and take it you're going to get an ass beating. I also told them not to worry about what the adults say - you handle the kid starting shiat, and I will deal with the adults with whom you get in trouble.

After dealing with their school for years I'm no longer surprised by the apparently vast numbers of semi moronic teachers. Don't wait 6 weeks to send me a form in triplicate that my son has been acting up, send home a note ASAP so I can set him straight that farking day.


Kids getting picked on 9 times out of 10 have no one on their side, especially their parents and teachers. They're you know, odd. They don't act right. They wear the wrong clothes don't get involved or have many friends. They're kids who already have a full plate of shiat most kids with decent parents never have to deal with and can't understand. Bullies zero in on these kids and they'll zero in on anyone they perceive as weak for the rest of their lives.
2013-02-08 02:57:12 PM  
1 votes:

FinFangFark: StaleCoffee: hitlersbrain: I believe any bullies need to be ostracised... permanently. They're the lowest of human scum and one of the most disruptive and destructive elements of society. That being said, you really can't treat the kid any different than you would if his victim had not gone into a coma.

I remember one of the things my moron teachers would always say... it takes two to make a fight. It was their way of passing the buck by blaming the victim (me). It's surprising how many teachers are borderline retarded, even in 'good' schools.

I don't believe bullies should be permanently ostracized, but I do think punishments need to be a lot better thought out. Given no way to make good on what they did then why should they bother being anything other than bullying pricks?

I tell my sons that it takes two to fight, because if you just sit there and take it you're going to get an ass beating. I also told them not to worry about what the adults say - you handle the kid starting shiat, and I will deal with the adults with whom you get in trouble.

After dealing with their school for years I'm no longer surprised by the apparently vast numbers of semi moronic teachers. Don't wait 6 weeks to send me a form in triplicate that my son has been acting up, send home a note ASAP so I can set him straight that farking day.

Question - How would you react and punish your kids if you found out they were bullying other kids.  Not fighting to defend themselves, but they were the pricks picking on kids constantly?


I got a note in triplicate about my 6 year old doing just that. He wasn't physically attacking anyone but he was being mean to a particular kid.

I had a long talk with him, listened to him when he told me why he did it, told him its okay to be upset but treating people like that was wrong. I reminded him that regardless of his "why" for doing it, he was still acting like a bully and being the mean kid. He has to apologize to the other kid on Monday. He also loses anything electronics for the next week as a reminder, since 6 year olds are not known for their reasoning or retention skills sans reinforcement. I hope it stops there but if it escalates I will talk to him again and he will be punished again, and I will try to talk to someone who knows how the fark to properly deal with that since I don't seem to be doing it right at that point.

My older son got into a fight with a kid on the bus. He was defending himself. He chose not to inflict permanent harm on the other kid and was upset because he took a haymaker to the face even though he "blocked all the other stupid punches. He didn't even have a fighting style or anything, it was stupid." I've taught my kids some BJJ because I don't want them to get their asses kicked like I did. The bus driver apologized to me, made the other kid move and that was the end of the incident.

I'm still glad I don't have daughters.
2013-02-08 02:53:55 PM  
1 votes:

ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.


Egg shell skull rule.  Google it.
2013-02-08 02:49:24 PM  
1 votes:
When I changed schools in 8th grade, the local gang of bullies pushed their initiate into picking on me, "the new guy". I tried to walk away three times but the third time I turned around the guy sucker-punched me. I proceeded to beat the holy shiat out of him, but stopped hitting him once he was on the ground, and I walked away. A teacher saw the entire incident including my attempts to get out of the fight, reported me for bullying the other guy (!) and gave me a week's suspension. The other guy got nothing, even though the teacher knew the whole story. When I questioned this, I was told that since I was the new guy I should have let him beat me up. When my parents found out, they had a meeting with that teacher and the principal; I never knew what was said but when it was over I got an apology from the school staff and both me and the kid got the minimum one day suspension required for fighting.

I decided that day that the real bully was the teacher, and resolved to kick the shiat out of any kid that dared to mess with me since I was already going to get in trouble even if I ran from the fight. Funny thing though, I never got harassed the rest of the year.
2013-02-08 02:44:36 PM  
1 votes:

doubled99: Kids fight. It was a freak occurrence. There is no need to treat the kid like a criminal.


You are correct. Legally, this situation is no different USB would be the result of me -- an adult -- punching another adult in the face, without provocation. Such action is entirely legal.
2013-02-08 02:39:19 PM  
1 votes:

Magorn: In seventh grade I really couldn't bring myself to tell a nun to thier face that seconds before I punched the little punk he'd suggested my mom screwed hobos for money- so the other kids always got off scott free.


yeah darn those nuns for not letting you punch that kid for something he said.

you should have been allowed to punch him, after all in the adult world you're allowed at least one free hit if someone insults your mother.
2013-02-08 02:37:51 PM  
1 votes:
durbnpoisn Smartest Funniest
2013-02-08 02:18:08 PM

My wife works at the elementary school up the street. Last week one of the teachers there got put into a headlock by a student. In the esuing scuffle, he somehow ended up breaking her hand.

See, to me, that's a simple matter of assault. No question. The kid should have been taken away by the police, and suspended for at least a few weeks.

But, in this case, the Principle just yelled at the kid and sent him home. He was back the next day.

So the teacher was too stupid to press charges?
2013-02-08 02:37:40 PM  
1 votes:

doubled99: Kids fight. It was a freak occurrence. There is no need to treat the kid like a criminal.

the kid is absolutely a criminal... if it had happened anywhere outside of school, the kid that beat him up would be charged with assault

But it didn't happen outside of school. And they're kids. So no, he isn't.


If you get to be berated and interrogated inside school by the police, without a lawyer/advocate, for supposedly "violating the law" outside of school, then why doesn't it work the other way? Guilty of physically assaulting someone, get full treatment of law? Oh, right; white suburbs...
2013-02-08 02:37:05 PM  
1 votes:

ChaoticLimbs: Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.Manslaughter/Culpable Homicide

FTFY

2013-02-08 02:36:19 PM  
1 votes:

kendelrio: Is it time to have a discussion about banning sixth-graders?


I have never known a sixth-grader worth keeping, and that includes myself at that age.
2013-02-08 02:35:26 PM  
1 votes:

BafflerMeal: Correct. Similarly, Cheney could be charged with manslaughter if his friend ever dies from a long term complication after being shot in the face.


I'm alright with that.
2013-02-08 02:34:51 PM  
1 votes:

Magorn: ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.

You may wish to familiarize yourself with the "Eggshell skull" theory that is contained within our laws.  If you do something "wrong" you are liable for the consequences of that wrong action, no matter how unanticipated they may be by you.   Thus: You pnch someone, and it turns out that he has a rare genetic disorder that makes his skull as brittle as an eggshell? You are liable for his injuries, even though you had no way of knowing about his condition, because you shouldn;t have punched him in the first place.



Correct.  Similarly, Cheney could be charged with manslaughter if his friend ever dies from a long term complication after being shot in the face.
2013-02-08 02:34:04 PM  
1 votes:

doubled99: Kids fight. It was a freak occurrence. There is no need to treat the kid like a criminal.


I think one of my old retarded high school teachers is a farker!
2013-02-08 02:32:40 PM  
1 votes:

letrole: Bullies serve a real purpose as nature's way of correcting aberrant behaviour. Anti-Bullying measures are counter-productive. Without a bully to make him conform, a misfit continues to wallow in his own misery. With a bully, the misfit is given hard and firm lessons about fitting into society.

A good bully saves lives.


That'll do, Col Jessup
2013-02-08 02:26:03 PM  
1 votes:

ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.


And if the kid fell, hit his head, and died....  suspension?
2013-02-08 02:24:34 PM  
1 votes:

Magorn: FirstNationalBastard: So, "Zero Tolerance" only applies when someone throws an imaginary hand grenade?

It's really very simple: the kid throwing an imaginary hand grenade is a nice, normal, kid who the school can terrorize and make an example of to show how "tough" they are.

A kid capable of beating a fellow student into a coma probably has a "rap sheet" already in the school, not to mention a differential diagnois of anti-social personality disorder, or ADHD or somesuch, so the school adminstrators are worried about getting hit with an IDEA lawsuit if the crack down on HIM,  besides, the school counselor thinks he's a "troubled kid"  from a bad home, and is therefore a perfect reclamation project where she gets to actually USE that LCSW  degree she earned before getting the job.


Just say, "They're black" and be done.
2013-02-08 02:24:22 PM  
1 votes:
I remember being bullied when I was in middle school until I had enough of it and beat the crap out of one of my tormentors... a teacher dragged me and the other kid into the principal's office.

Principal just took a look at me, told me to wash my face and go back to class and that she would take care care of the other kid.

Didn't get suspended and was never bothered from that point on.

/RIP Principal =(
2013-02-08 02:23:37 PM  
1 votes:

FinFangFark: Two days?  Really?

I'm sure that bully is loving his 4 day weekend.


I hope Reddit doesn't get ahold of his home address.

Oh please oh please
2013-02-08 02:23:23 PM  
1 votes:

durbnpoisn: My wife works at the elementary school up the street.  Last week one of the teachers there got put into a headlock by a student.  In the esuing scuffle, he somehow ended up breaking her hand.

See, to me, that's a simple matter of assault.  No question.  The kid should have been taken away by the police, and suspended for at least a few weeks.

But, in this case, the Principle just yelled at the kid and sent him home.  He was back the next day.

That's pretty f'n stupid.  If that were my wife with the broken hand, I would have gone to the kid's hous and kicked his father's ass for being a lousy parent.


Nice, in theory. The reality is that if the kid was violent enough to put his female teacher in a headlock, the kid's father is likely an ornery SOB. If you went to their home with the intention of picking a fight, you'd probably find yourself looking down the wrong end of a shotgun.
2013-02-08 02:21:17 PM  
1 votes:
Two days?  Really?

I'm sure that bully is loving his 4 day weekend.
2013-02-08 02:20:21 PM  
1 votes:

ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.


but he didn't fall down the stairs... child wouldnt be in a coma if the other kid didn't assault him
2013-02-08 02:18:11 PM  
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Magorn: FirstNationalBastard: So, "Zero Tolerance" only applies when someone throws an imaginary hand grenade?

It's really very simple: the kid throwing an imaginary hand grenade is a nice, normal, kid who the school can terrorize and make an example of to show how "tough" they are.

A kid capable of beating a fellow student into a coma probably has a "rap sheet" already in the school, not to mention a differential diagnois of anti-social personality disorder, or ADHD or somesuch, so the school adminstrators are worried about getting hit with an IDEA lawsuit if the crack down on HIM,  besides, the school counselor thinks he's a "troubled kid"  from a bad home, and is therefore a perfect reclamation project where she gets to actually USE that LCSW  degree she earned before getting the job.


did you even read the article ? It said that a kid punched him in the nose 2x. The kid wasn't beat in to a coma. He was medically induced in to one several days later. It seems to be a result of the fracture to his nose but the other kid didn't beat him until he stopped moving

And dad says bullying. They only suspended the other kid 2 days which sort of indicates there might be more to this story
2013-02-08 02:14:15 PM  
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DownDaRiver: the kid (victim) should have claimed the bullies pointed their fingers at him and said bang!
They would have been expulsed that day.


You are gifted.
2013-02-08 02:14:03 PM  
1 votes:
Is it time to have a discussion about banning sixth-graders?
2013-02-08 02:13:40 PM  
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edmo: Does someone have to get shot before they'll call the police? Sounds like they didn't do anything until the kid was in the hospital.


No. Someone needs and asswhoopin and the cops need to stay out of it.
It's called being a parent and cutting a switch.
You park the welts on the backside with the belt and the little shiats will learn not to misbehave.

Or you can be a babydaddy, and not do jack fark about your spawn.
In which case, yous hould be in prison for failing to mind your crotch fruit.
It's the farking law.
2013-02-08 02:08:40 PM  
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Banned on the Run: I saw a kid (small 6th or 7th grader) who was picked by an 8th grader and thrown to the ground, breaking his collar bone.

Mom's got the "someone's head will roll" look when I pointed out that what happened was "assault and battery".


well technically so is just punching the kids.  Breaking a bone though may elevate it to "mayhem" depnding on whether your state uses common law crime definitions
2013-02-08 01:53:03 PM  
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Someone needs to be in juvie. Like yesterday.
2013-02-08 01:25:02 PM  
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I saw a kid (small 6th or 7th grader) who was picked by an 8th grader and thrown to the ground, breaking his collar bone.

Mom's got the "someone's head will roll" look when I pointed out that what happened was "assault and battery".
 
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