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(ABC Local)   When a sixth-grader is left IN A COMA after a schoolyard fight, I think you need to use a stronger word than "bullying" to describe the attack, and maybe hand out a punishment stiffer than a two-day suspension   (abclocal.go.com) divider line 224
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2013-02-08 03:38:41 PM
Why is it a school's job to charge the bully with assault?  I think we should just stay with the status quo and have the police/prosecutors deal with the situation.
 
2013-02-08 03:38:41 PM

MycroftHolmes: ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.

The law does not agree.  Locally, a man was charged with murder because he got in a barfight(he was drunk) with another man (who was also drunk).  One punch, the drunk fell back and hit his head.  This was deemed murder (not sure where the settled out).  In reality, outcomes do matter.


That is the plot to Con Air.
 
2013-02-08 03:38:51 PM

Fano: ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.

It's not the bully's fault that Puny Parker can't take a punch due to his radioactive bones being more brittle than pretzel sticks.


This is probably a joke that went over my head, but google Vosburg v. Putney if not. It doesn't matter if it's not the bully's fault, just like it isn't Puny Parker's fault the bully hit him in the face either (or maybe it is?) Legally speaking bully can still be held liable. Others have mentioned this upthread as the "eggshell skull" rule of thumb.
 
2013-02-08 03:40:38 PM

2 Replies: Subby.... It was a MEDICALLY induced coma. Meaning the fight didn't put him into it, the doctors did as a preventative measure. A coma isn't always a BAD thing.


A "medically induced coma" in this instance is intended to limit the life threatening swelling of this child's brain.  It's not a preventative measure.  It's an attempt to save his life.
 
2013-02-08 03:41:55 PM

ChaoticLimbs: Magorn: ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.

You may wish to familiarize yourself with the "Eggshell skull" theory that is contained within our laws.  If you do something "wrong" you are liable for the consequences of that wrong action, no matter how unanticipated they may be by you.   Thus: You pnch someone, and it turns out that he has a rare genetic disorder that makes his skull as brittle as an eggshell? You are liable for his injuries, even though you had no way of knowing about his condition, because you shouldn;t have punched him in the first place.

You may wish to familiarize yourself with my first sentence, and with the difference between punishment and liability.


Over 120 years of legal precedents says you're wrong.
 
2013-02-08 03:41:55 PM

the_rhino: if the victim had a gun this wouldn't have happened.




The victim should have waited for the authorities. Peasants should just take a coma when offered.
 
2013-02-08 03:45:02 PM

PsiChick: Magorn: ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.

You may wish to familiarize yourself with the "Eggshell skull" theory that is contained within our laws.  If you do something "wrong" you are liable for the consequences of that wrong action, no matter how unanticipated they may be by you.   Thus: You pnch someone, and it turns out that he has a rare genetic disorder that makes his skull as brittle as an eggshell? You are liable for his injuries, even though you had no way of knowing about his condition, because you shouldn;t have punched him in the first place.

I agree, but this is a child. Expulsion would probably be the proper punishment here, and leaving it up to the parents of the injured child if they want to press charges. Children are  very farking stupid, and we as a society need to take that into account. The bully certainly should be punished, but not held to the same standard as an adult, because, let's face it--he's not, and it would be ridiculous to expect children, who normally get into fights, have any idea that they could cause a medical condition.

Like I said, expel him and make the rest up to the bullied child's parents. That would probably be enough.


I actually agree with you 100%  If the kid has a conscience, he's utterly horrified at what's happened anyway.  I gave up physically responding to being picked on after I discovered I had a nasty tendency to go beserk (in the actual Scandanavian sense of the word- feeling no pain, consciousness more or less in neutral) in fights and I REALLY hurt someone once, who may have started the fight, but didn;t deserve what happened to him (honestly he was as much a social outcast as I was, and was manipulated into attacking me)  years later I STILL feel sick a little when I think about that
 
2013-02-08 03:45:27 PM

FinFangFark: StaleCoffee: hitlersbrain: I believe any bullies need to be ostracised... permanently. They're the lowest of human scum and one of the most disruptive and destructive elements of society. That being said, you really can't treat the kid any different than you would if his victim had not gone into a coma.

I remember one of the things my moron teachers would always say... it takes two to make a fight. It was their way of passing the buck by blaming the victim (me). It's surprising how many teachers are borderline retarded, even in 'good' schools.

I don't believe bullies should be permanently ostracized, but I do think punishments need to be a lot better thought out. Given no way to make good on what they did then why should they bother being anything other than bullying pricks?

I tell my sons that it takes two to fight, because if you just sit there and take it you're going to get an ass beating. I also told them not to worry about what the adults say - you handle the kid starting shiat, and I will deal with the adults with whom you get in trouble.

After dealing with their school for years I'm no longer surprised by the apparently vast numbers of semi moronic teachers. Don't wait 6 weeks to send me a form in triplicate that my son has been acting up, send home a note ASAP so I can set him straight that farking day.

Question - How would you react and punish your kids if you found out they were bullying other kids.  Not fighting to defend themselves, but they were the pricks picking on kids constantly?


I'd embarass the fark out of my every day of his life that he's in public and at home, he gets nothing but food and a bed til he figures out how to behave. I'm talking showing up at his school like some people dress for WalMart, standing his little misbehaving arse on a sidewalk with a sign, whatever it takes.
 
2013-02-08 03:46:16 PM
Is ONE instance considered bullying these days?

In my day bullying was something that was seemingly ongoing  like teasing the poor kid or the fat kid or the smelly kid.

I also have a hard time grasping the idea of bullying as it is reported these days. I was bullied, so was just about every other kid in school. Why is it different? Is it the precious snowflake thingy?
 
2013-02-08 03:46:27 PM
Just think, if the bullies had cut his hair, they'd be looking at 15 years in the slammer.
 
2013-02-08 03:47:53 PM

ChaoticLimbs: Magorn: ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.

You may wish to familiarize yourself with the "Eggshell skull" theory that is contained within our laws.  If you do something "wrong" you are liable for the consequences of that wrong action, no matter how unanticipated they may be by you.   Thus: You pnch someone, and it turns out that he has a rare genetic disorder that makes his skull as brittle as an eggshell? You are liable for his injuries, even though you had no way of knowing about his condition, because you shouldn;t have punched him in the first place.

You may wish to familiarize yourself with my first sentence, and with the difference between punishment and liability.


Three words "Felony Murder Rule"   anyone ies while you are committing a felony, you get charged with First-Degree murder, doesn;t matter if you were robbing a bank with a fake bomb and the old geezer security gaurd drops dead of a heart attack, his death is on you- and treated as premeditated murder not manslaughter
 
2013-02-08 03:48:42 PM
For a fairly jockish kid in junior high I was a little too emotional and smart for my own good, so I got picked on a lot more than probably would be normal for a kid like me.  Growing up in the South we had a lot of the 'busing' of kids from one part of town to another for integration purposes.  That created a lot racial tension.

For a few weeks, a couple of guys who were bused to my school took it upon themselves to terrorize me.  I generally just avoided them and didn't take the bait.  Waiting at my locker to harass me, pushing me in the hallway, etc...  One day one of them made improvised brass knuckles by looping a combination lock around his middle finger.  The was used to crack me upside the back of my skull while I was in my locker between classes.  I snapped, spun around, and threw the kid up against the wall.  Before we could come to blows one of the teachers grabbed both of us by our collars and shoved us in different directions and told us to get to class.

The worm had already turned...  At lunch break on the football field, they came up and started the same shiat.  I turned my back and ignored them to talk with my friends.  I got popped in the back of the head again.  The aggressor realized he had finally gone too far while he was defending himself on the ground from a rage induced, blinding beatdown.  I don't remember much after that until one of the teachers stopped me in my sprinting, roaring pursuit of the other guy who was running for his life.  They took me and my victim to the office to call our parents.

My dad left work and came to meet with me and the principal.  Sitting there with my dad talking with the man, he explained everything that happened and that I was going to get a one day suspension.  My dad looked at me and asked, "did that kid start it?"  I told him, "yes."  To which dad said, "Ok.  Good for you. Where do you want to go to lunch today?  Wendy's?"
The principal then cracked a huge smile and told Dad that he had to follow policy and send me home, but chucking while he told us both that, "I don't think those kids will be bothering you again."  They never did.
 
2013-02-08 03:49:46 PM

Magorn: I actually agree with you 100%  If the kid has a conscience, he's utterly horrified at what's happened anyway.  I gave up physically responding to being picked on after I discovered I had a nasty tendency to go beserk (in the actual Scandanavian sense of the word- feeling no pain, consciousness more or less in neutral) in fights and I REALLY hurt someone once, who may have started the fight, but didn;t deserve what happened to him (honestly he was as much a social outcast as I was, and was manipulated into attacking me)  years later I STILL feel sick a little when I think about that


Well, I was thinking more that he's just stupid inherently, but yes, his conscience is probably a worse punishment than anything society can come up with now.

/Go look up Pagan Beserkers, you might like them. They have the same trait, and they have a lot of stuff out about how to work with it.
 
2013-02-08 03:50:35 PM

poot_rootbeer: kendelrio: Is it time to have a discussion about banning sixth-graders?

I have never known a sixth-grader worth keeping, and that includes myself at that age.


6th-8th graders fall under the definition of "hellspawn", for the most part. I don't envy any teachers who have to deal with that age group...

/ I'm not capable of doing their job
// would probably get sentenced 30-years to Life if I tried...
 
2013-02-08 03:55:17 PM

fawlty: Just think, if the bullies had cut his hair, they'd be looking at 15 years in the slammer.



Not if their daddy's rich.


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2013-02-08 03:58:28 PM

theflatline: MycroftHolmes: ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.

The law does not agree.  Locally, a man was charged with murder because he got in a barfight(he was drunk) with another man (who was also drunk).  One punch, the drunk fell back and hit his head.  This was deemed murder (not sure where the settled out).  In reality, outcomes do matter.

That is the plot to Con Air.


This was not the case I was referring to, but it seems like a pretty common occurrence

http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/39323062.html
 
2013-02-08 03:58:29 PM

deanis: Is ONE instance considered bullying these days?

In my day bullying was something that was seemingly ongoing  like teasing the poor kid or the fat kid or the smelly kid.

I also have a hard time grasping the idea of bullying as it is reported these days. I was bullied, so was just about every other kid in school. Why is it different? Is it the precious snowflake thingy?


It's different now because you cannot retaliate. When I went to school, I beat the ever living tar out of kids that would bully other kids. That was really fun and satisfying. Some of those bullies would learn their lesson and I was friends with them after that. My little brother was the only kid not picked on by older kids because they knew that if they messed with them, they would be missing teeth. Kids, in general now, do not respect or FEAR authority. If there is no fear of consequence, then you are free of action. That is a BIG difference now, and then. Back in the day, you might not care to get suspended but it sure sucked getting paddled or your ass kicked by your parents. Parents now would put the kids in "time out" or take away their cell-phones oooooh! I think today, situations often escalate to the extreme and you have kids backed into the corner going psycho.
 
2013-02-08 03:58:30 PM

LeroyBourne: No joke, I knew this guy who had a 4th and 5th grader, and like every day when they got home he would ask what they learned.  One day one of them answered 'if mommy or you ever hit us we're supposed to call 911.'  He was shocked, and pissed the way the schools are going down hill, and this was well over a decade ago.


Yeah, it was better in the olden days, when schools looked the other way when parents were abusing their children.
 
2013-02-08 03:59:17 PM
Came for the people saying "it's only a medial coma".

Leaving satisfied and still shaking my head in disbelief at these people.
 
2013-02-08 04:02:32 PM

poot_rootbeer: LeroyBourne: No joke, I knew this guy who had a 4th and 5th grader, and like every day when they got home he would ask what they learned.  One day one of them answered 'if mommy or you ever hit us we're supposed to call 911.'  He was shocked, and pissed the way the schools are going down hill, and this was well over a decade ago.

Yeah, it was better in the olden days, when schools looked the other way when parents were abusing their children.


Pick your poison, neglect or abuse. Although neither are desirable, certainly neglect and apathy isn't any better. Absent parents and dysfunctional families have created a society with no moral compass and that feel entitled.
 
2013-02-08 04:05:36 PM

I should be in the kitchen: Dinobot: I remember being bullied when I was in middle school until I had enough of it and beat the crap out of one of my tormentors... a teacher dragged me and the other kid into the principal's office.

Principal just took a look at me, told me to wash my face and go back to class and that she would take care care of the other kid.

Didn't get suspended and was never bothered from that point on.

/RIP Principal =(

Sounds like you had a good principal.

Whenever I tried to report bullying I was either told to "just ignore them" or "just don't cry" (as if I can control an involuntary function!), or I was told to essentially stop being me so I wouldn't give them anything to bully me over. Yes, the appropriate response to a 7-year old girl crying is to tell her it's her fault for being so clumsy, or ugly, or whatever else the kids were saying to her.

fark you to all the adults who either blamed me or did nothing. You can bet that during my brief stint as a teacher, I paid attention and was extra nice to the awkward kids who got picked on, and didn't allow it to happen in my sight. I also try to be extra nice to my poor niece who gets bullied by her own family. Kids suck, but adults suck worse because we should know better.


I'm really sorry you had to deal with that. I guess the reason why I got away with it was because I was one of the top students (straight A's) thru middle school -- that being said, before that, I'd report them and the counselors would talk to the bullies, then would proceed to smack me outside the school instead... they only got suspended once before fight -- and that's because they used me as their only target during dodgeball, and I ended up peeing blood for several days from all the bruises in my back... (scumbag coach)

But once they knew I'd fight back, they just stopped..
 
2013-02-08 04:09:25 PM

edmo: Does someone have to get shot before they'll call the police? Sounds like they didn't do anything until the kid was in the hospital.


Try reading text instead of listening to it.
 
2013-02-08 04:11:00 PM

PsiChick: Magorn: I actually agree with you 100%  If the kid has a conscience, he's utterly horrified at what's happened anyway.  I gave up physically responding to being picked on after I discovered I had a nasty tendency to go beserk (in the actual Scandanavian sense of the word- feeling no pain, consciousness more or less in neutral) in fights and I REALLY hurt someone once, who may have started the fight, but didn;t deserve what happened to him (honestly he was as much a social outcast as I was, and was manipulated into attacking me)  years later I STILL feel sick a little when I think about that

Well, I was thinking more that he's just stupid inherently, but yes, his conscience is probably a worse punishment than anything society can come up with now.

/Go look up Pagan Beserkers, you might like them. They have the same trait, and they have a lot of stuff out about how to work with it.


Thanks for the tip, though 20 years, Declining testosterone levels after adolescence (i had to shave everyday starting when I was 12 and was balding by 20) and a few year's study of Aikido did a lot to allieviate the issue for me already.  "The beast" is still there, but I t takes an extraorinary situation to wake him ( Ironically, only those very closest to me can even get under my skin enough to incite that kind of rage these days, total strangers just can't even when they are actively trying to hurt me physically) and usually I can either get away from the situation or at least convert my anger into something verbal rather than physical
 
2013-02-08 04:11:54 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Came for the people saying "it's only a medial coma".

Leaving satisfied and still shaking my head in disbelief at these people.


You mean to tell me that it's not a big deal to place someone under a general anesthetic, chemical paralysis, mechanical ventilation, with an intracranial pressure monitor sticking into their brain, a central venous line, a Foley catheter in their bladder, a feeding tube in their duodenum, and on diuretics for days and weeks at a time?  Surely nothing bad could happen with such simple preventative measures.
 
2013-02-08 04:12:20 PM

Magorn: and yet we have the concept of "fighting words" in our legal system, which is defined as "insulting or 'fighting words,' those that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace". Wonder why that is?


I followed your links, supreme court in Jock v Nerd sets the precedent for wedgies and swirlies as a justified retaliation for a "your mom" insult.
 
2013-02-08 04:13:55 PM

durbnpoisn: My wife works at the elementary school up the street.  Last week one of the teachers there got put into a headlock by a student.  In the esuing scuffle, he somehow ended up breaking her hand.

See, to me, that's a simple matter of assault.  No question.  The kid should have been taken away by the police, and suspended for at least a few weeks.

But, in this case, the Principle just yelled at the kid and sent him home.  He was back the next day.

That's pretty f'n stupid.  If that were my wife with the broken hand, I would have gone to the kid's hous and kicked his father's ass for being a lousy parent.


If you're taking the trouble to go to their house, might as well kill 'em all.

Seriously.  That is farked up.
 
2013-02-08 04:15:31 PM

TurboCojones: Jim from Saint Paul: Came for the people saying "it's only a medial coma".

Leaving satisfied and still shaking my head in disbelief at these people.

You mean to tell me that it's not a big deal to place someone under a general anesthetic, chemical paralysis, mechanical ventilation, with an intracranial pressure monitor sticking into their brain, a central venous line, a Foley catheter in their bladder, a feeding tube in their duodenum, and on diuretics for days and weeks at a time?  Surely nothing bad could happen with such simple preventative measures.


I think Jim thinks quite the opposite.
 
2013-02-08 04:16:50 PM
One kid punched another kid. Was the bully the puncher or the kid who might have done something to provoke the punches? Its hard to tell.

Some farkers are bragging of beating up a bully in school so I wonder if they see themselves as the puncher or the punchee in this scenario.
 
2013-02-08 04:18:44 PM

Magorn: PsiChick: Magorn: I actually agree with you 100%  If the kid has a conscience, he's utterly horrified at what's happened anyway.  I gave up physically responding to being picked on after I discovered I had a nasty tendency to go beserk (in the actual Scandanavian sense of the word- feeling no pain, consciousness more or less in neutral) in fights and I REALLY hurt someone once, who may have started the fight, but didn;t deserve what happened to him (honestly he was as much a social outcast as I was, and was manipulated into attacking me)  years later I STILL feel sick a little when I think about that

Well, I was thinking more that he's just stupid inherently, but yes, his conscience is probably a worse punishment than anything society can come up with now.

/Go look up Pagan Beserkers, you might like them. They have the same trait, and they have a lot of stuff out about how to work with it.

Thanks for the tip, though 20 years, Declining testosterone levels after adolescence (i had to shave everyday starting when I was 12 and was balding by 20) and a few year's study of Aikido did a lot to allieviate the issue for me already.  "The beast" is still there, but I t takes an extraorinary situation to wake him ( Ironically, only those very closest to me can even get under my skin enough to incite that kind of rage these days, total strangers just can't even when they are actively trying to hurt me physically) and usually I can either get away from the situation or at least convert my anger into something verbal rather than physical


Yeah, you don't sound the type to have problems going off on strangers, but I thought you might like some of their fun stuff. Apparently they have some camps where they go do adrenaline-inducing insanity for the hell of it and other such things.
 
2013-02-08 04:19:36 PM
 
2013-02-08 04:23:11 PM
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Takes out the bully AND cleans the gene pool at the same time.
 
2013-02-08 04:24:09 PM

hitlersbrain: Mr Guy: Warlordtrooper: I completely understand why victims of bullying shoot up schools

Cowardice.

No, the cowards were the ones that watched, cheered or enabled the bullies.


Glorifying it doesn't help.  It's cowardice to choose to inflict harm to protect yourself from harm.  Strength occasionally requires you to know what you can endure.  Bullying isn't the strong in ONE area picking on the weak in ANOTHER.  It's the weak picking on the weak, often while the strong fails to identify with EITHER side, often because there's something reasonable about the bullying.

Example: In isolation, most kids will tell you picking on another kid's reading skills isn't acceptable.  In the actual classroom, if everyone is stuck waiting for the same person, consistently, bullying emerges as a way of the classroom dealing with the frustration of dealing with the outlier.  In that particular case, the actual cause of the bullying could be anything from the need of a pair of glasses, to the victim not doing their homework properly, to classroom overcrowding or insufficient resources.  It's impossible to know that with blanket statements.  You have to know what someone is attempting to gain from the exercise of power in order to understand it.  You have to teach kids that it ISN'T fair that the slow hold back the strong, but the strong must endure it, because they have that option.  You have to deal with the frustration of explaining to a child why they have to deal with someone who doesn't try as hard as they do, but is still considered equal in the eyes of the law.  You have to teach kids to exercise power responsibly, and productively, and teach them the maximum benefit to all often comes from individual sacrifice.  Fortunately, sports can often be used to teach these sorts of lessons to the physically aggressive bully, but it's much harder to teach those concepts to intellectual bullies.  You have to teach them to conceptualize the damage they are doing, and that's difficult.
 
2013-02-08 04:25:37 PM

Dinobot: But once they knew I'd fight back, they just stopped..


Yeah, interesting what breaking one guy's nose will do.
 
2013-02-08 04:26:12 PM

Breygon: letrole: Bullies serve a real purpose as nature's way of correcting aberrant behaviour. Anti-Bullying measures are counter-productive. Without a bully to make him conform, a misfit continues to wallow in his own misery. With a bully, the misfit is given hard and firm lessons about fitting into society.

A good bully saves lives.

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eh, not always


School shootings are a small price to pay to ensure that childhood continues to be hell for the kids too weak to stop it.

Weakness deserves what it gets.
 
2013-02-08 04:36:32 PM

treesloth: Dinobot: But once they knew I'd fight back, they just stopped..

Yeah, interesting what breaking one guy's nose will do.


I never broke the other kid's nose...
 
2013-02-08 04:38:21 PM

Atomic Spunk: durbnpoisn: My wife works at the elementary school up the street.  Last week one of the teachers there got put into a headlock by a student.  In the esuing scuffle, he somehow ended up breaking her hand.

See, to me, that's a simple matter of assault.  No question.  The kid should have been taken away by the police, and suspended for at least a few weeks.

But, in this case, the Principle just yelled at the kid and sent him home.  He was back the next day.

That's pretty f'n stupid.  If that were my wife with the broken hand, I would have gone to the kid's hous and kicked his father's ass for being a lousy parent.

Nice, in theory. The reality is that if the kid was violent enough to put his female teacher in a headlock, the kid's father is likely an ornery SOB. If you went to their home with the intention of picking a fight, you'd probably find yourself looking down the wrong end of a shotgun.


Then I shoot the ornery SOB in the face and claim I was defending msyelf, and the world still ends up a better place.
 
2013-02-08 04:47:05 PM

durbnpoisn: My wife works at the elementary school up the street.  Last week one of the teachers there got put into a headlock by a student.  In the esuing scuffle, he somehow ended up breaking her hand.

See, to me, that's a simple matter of assault.  No question.  The kid should have been taken away by the police, and suspended for at least a few weeks.

But, in this case, the Principle just yelled at the kid and sent him home.  He was back the next day.

That's pretty f'n stupid.  If that were my wife with the broken hand, I would have gone to the kid's hous and kicked his father's ass for being a lousy parent.


Why was it a matter for the principle, why couldnt the teacher file charges?

A black eye or some bumps and bruises, schoolyard stuff, let the school handle that with detention/suspension etc.

Broken bones, concussions, comas etc... then its beyond simple schoolyard stuff.
 
2013-02-08 04:47:24 PM
We must immediately ban all fists
 
2013-02-08 04:47:38 PM
I was bullied very badly when I was a kid. Years later, I had the opportunity to break a pool cue across the face of the (now adult) man who bullied me. It felt FARKING great! For all the years I felt like I was worthless because I listened to (and believed) an a$$hole, because I didn't know any better, and because I just wanted to be left alone. I was small, weak, and weird. And breaking his face did indeed make me feel MUCH better! Because that's the only "communication" he could understand.
 
2013-02-08 04:47:46 PM

over_and_done: Atomic Spunk: durbnpoisn: My wife works at the elementary school up the street.  Last week one of the teachers there got put into a headlock by a student.  In the esuing scuffle, he somehow ended up breaking her hand.

See, to me, that's a simple matter of assault.  No question.  The kid should have been taken away by the police, and suspended for at least a few weeks.

But, in this case, the Principle just yelled at the kid and sent him home.  He was back the next day.

That's pretty f'n stupid.  If that were my wife with the broken hand, I would have gone to the kid's hous and kicked his father's ass for being a lousy parent.

Nice, in theory. The reality is that if the kid was violent enough to put his female teacher in a headlock, the kid's father is likely an ornery SOB. If you went to their home with the intention of picking a fight, you'd probably find yourself looking down the wrong end of a shotgun.

Then I shoot the ornery SOB in the face and claim I was defending msyelf, and the world still ends up a better place.


Pfft.

I would have hogtied and suspended him on a meathook in a walk-in freezer.  Then I would spend hours using a unfurled wire hanger and whip him until his skin becomes ribbons. Then I would start ripping his skin off strip by strip like you would a chicken brease until his entire body is a dripping, bloody mess.

I would then smear his body in feces and seal him in an oil drum until his body putrefies.  After a week, I would find out where he live and smear his liquid remains all over the house for all of his family to see. Then I would lay low for a while and stalk all of hims family members.  Whenever one of his relatives has a male child, I would kill him in the same way I did the bully once he reaches the bully's age.  I would also train my own children the same art and have them stalk future generations once I pass away so that the curse will stay with the family forever.

Once the last members of the bully's family die out, my offspring would anonymously reveal my plot and teach the world the follies of bullying.
 
2013-02-08 04:47:49 PM

d23: kendelrio: Is it time to have a discussion about banning sixth-graders?

I have never, ever, ever felt more justified in using this image than I do now...


lightenupfrancis.jpg

/and EABOD
 
2013-02-08 04:57:29 PM

super_grass: over_and_done: Atomic Spunk: durbnpoisn: My wife works at the elementary school up the street.  Last week one of the teachers there got put into a headlock by a student.  In the esuing scuffle, he somehow ended up breaking her hand.

See, to me, that's a simple matter of assault.  No question.  The kid should have been taken away by the police, and suspended for at least a few weeks.

But, in this case, the Principle just yelled at the kid and sent him home.  He was back the next day.

That's pretty f'n stupid.  If that were my wife with the broken hand, I would have gone to the kid's hous and kicked his father's ass for being a lousy parent.

Nice, in theory. The reality is that if the kid was violent enough to put his female teacher in a headlock, the kid's father is likely an ornery SOB. If you went to their home with the intention of picking a fight, you'd probably find yourself looking down the wrong end of a shotgun.

Then I shoot the ornery SOB in the face and claim I was defending msyelf, and the world still ends up a better place.

Pfft.

I would have hogtied and suspended him on a meathook in a walk-in freezer.  Then I would spend hours using a unfurled wire hanger and whip him until his skin becomes ribbons. Then I would start ripping his skin off strip by strip like you would a chicken brease until his entire body is a dripping, bloody mess.

I would then smear his body in feces and seal him in an oil drum until his body putrefies.  After a week, I would find out where he live and smear his liquid remains all over the house for all of his family to see. Then I would lay low for a while and stalk all of hims family members.  Whenever one of his relatives has a male child, I would kill him in the same way I did the bully once he reaches the bully's age.  I would also train my own children the same art and have them stalk future generations once I pass away so that the curse will stay with the family forever.

Once the last members of the bully's family die ...


Anything more would just be overkill.
 
2013-02-08 05:09:20 PM

super_grass: [25.media.tumblr.com image 475x360]

Takes out the bully AND cleans the gene pool at the same time.


I love you for that.
 
2013-02-08 05:09:47 PM

kindms: And dad says bullying. They only suspended the other kid 2 days which sort of indicates there might be more to this story


This is fark.  There is always more to the story.  We just back into our respective corners of assumption about what those other factors are and fling poo at people for having backed into a different corner.
 
2013-02-08 05:13:18 PM
Bobby_and_The_Gorilla Smartest Funniest
2013-02-08 02:41:26 PM

THIS is why I can't have kids, RIGHT HERE. Because if ANY damn ass crotch creature from some MISGUIDED and IDIOT PARENTS DARE LAY a FINGER on MY CHILD. I WILL GO FULL JULES FROM PULP FICTION ON THE LITTLE RAT BASTARD! AND THEY SHALL KNOW MY NAME IS THE *LORD* WHEN I LAY MY VENGEANCE UPON THEM!

You never go Full Jules!


You know, I keep hearing tough guys saying that. Yet I can count exactly twice that it been followed up on..

Gary Plauche (video on youtube, but I'm not linking to it)
and
Ellie Nesler
 
2013-02-08 05:15:09 PM
Warlordtrooper

But if the kid responds to the bullying with a gun they will blame the kid gun and call him crazy instead of addressing the real issue of bullying

Fixed that for you.
 
2013-02-08 05:17:10 PM
It's OK. I'm pretty sure the kid's family has already been contacted by numerous lawyers. One big fat settlement later and the school district will punish the next coma-causing asshole extra hard to make up for this one.
 
2013-02-08 05:21:03 PM

ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.


There is a legal principal, which roughly states, the law takes it's bodies as it finds them.  You drive drunk, you drive onto the side walk and a young man on the side walk manages to avoid injury by jumping on your hood, you get a DUI.  Replace the young guy with an old lady, who gets knocked down, breaks her hip and died of pneumonia ten days later, it's 2nd degree murder.
 
2013-02-08 05:23:58 PM

durbnpoisn: My wife works at the elementary school up the street.  Last week one of the teachers there got put into a headlock by a student.  In the esuing scuffle, he somehow ended up breaking her hand.

See, to me, that's a simple matter of assault.  No question.  The kid should have been taken away by the police, and suspended for at least a few weeks.

But, in this case, the Principle just yelled at the kid and sent him home.  He was back the next day.

That's pretty f'n stupid.  If that were my wife with the broken hand, I would have gone to the kid's hous and kicked his father's ass for being a lousy parent.


The teacher needs to call the police herself and report it as an assault, the school will not do it.

My brother was getting picked on by some neanderthal at school, my parents talked to the school, the kid's mom, etc, this went on for months. Finally one day my brother got beaten up bad and they reported his ass to the police.

Neanderthal's Mom finally did something about her kid when a police officer knocked on the door.

/Should NOT have come to that
 
2013-02-08 05:31:35 PM

Allen. The end.: I was bullied very badly when I was a kid. Years later, I had the opportunity to break a pool cue across the face of the (now adult) man who bullied me. It felt FARKING great! For all the years I felt like I was worthless because I listened to (and believed) an a$$hole, because I didn't know any better, and because I just wanted to be left alone. I was small, weak, and weird. And breaking his face did indeed make me feel MUCH better! Because that's the only "communication" he could understand.


If often wonder if those kids offed themselves afterwards just 'cause they knew nothing in life could ever even come close to feeling that good again.
 
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