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(ABC Local)   When a sixth-grader is left IN A COMA after a schoolyard fight, I think you need to use a stronger word than "bullying" to describe the attack, and maybe hand out a punishment stiffer than a two-day suspension   (abclocal.go.com) divider line 224
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2013-02-08 02:53:29 PM
Kids fight. It was a freak occurrence. There is no need to treat the kid like a criminal.

Something tells that if it had been your kid pummeled into a coma you wouldn't be so cavalier.

farking idiot


Brilliant rebuttal. How can you argue with that logic?
 
2013-02-08 02:53:30 PM

poot_rootbeer: hitlersbrain: I remember one of the things my moron teachers would always say... it takes two to make a fight.

Maybe you misheard them, and they were saying "It takes two to make a thing go right," or possibly "It takes two to make it out of sight."


damn you for that rotten ear worm
 
2013-02-08 02:53:31 PM

Deucednuisance: Magorn: (and is my second favorite criminal charge after "being a rogue and a vagabond" (still charged in MD sometimes)

My favorite Maryland crime is "Lying in Wait".

MBooda: IN A COMA after a schoolyard fight

IN A COMA because of a schoolyard fight

/post hoc ergo propter hoc nazi

Nazi?  Really?

Then should know that there really is a chain of causation, here, and the charge of fallacy won't stick.

Unless you don't know what a medically-induced coma is, or why they're done?


My comment was directed at subby's headline, not TFA.
 
2013-02-08 02:53:55 PM

ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.


Egg shell skull rule.  Google it.
 
2013-02-08 02:54:18 PM

kendelrio: Is it time to have a discussion about banning sixth-graders?


No.  The discussion we should be having is the shutdown of all public schools and the disbandment of all teachers' unions.
 
2013-02-08 02:55:39 PM

Magorn: Katolu: Magorn: FirstNationalBastard: So, "Zero Tolerance" only applies when someone throws an imaginary hand grenade?

It's really very simple: the kid throwing an imaginary hand grenade is a nice, normal, kid who the school can terrorize and make an example of to show how "tough" they are.

A kid capable of beating a fellow student into a coma probably has a "rap sheet" already in the school, not to mention a differential diagnois of anti-social personality disorder, or ADHD or somesuch, so the school adminstrators are worried about getting hit with an IDEA lawsuit if the crack down on HIM,  besides, the school counselor thinks he's a "troubled kid"  from a bad home, and is therefore a perfect reclamation project where she gets to actually USE that LCSW  degree she earned before getting the job.

Just say, "They're black" and be done.

In Delaware County, PA? Doubtful.  That's the expensive burbs of Philly by and large


Exspensive, eh? I'm betting the bully's parents are rich, and that's why the school  gave him a light punishment.
 
2013-02-08 02:55:40 PM

Magorn: ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.

You may wish to familiarize yourself with the "Eggshell skull" theory that is contained within our laws.  If you do something "wrong" you are liable for the consequences of that wrong action, no matter how unanticipated they may be by you.   Thus: You pnch someone, and it turns out that he has a rare genetic disorder that makes his skull as brittle as an eggshell? You are liable for his injuries, even though you had no way of knowing about his condition, because you shouldn;t have punched him in the first place.


I agree, but this is a child. Expulsion would probably be the proper punishment here, and leaving it up to the parents of the injured child if they want to press charges. Children are  very farking stupid, and we as a society need to take that into account. The bully certainly should be punished, but not held to the same standard as an adult, because, let's face it--he's not, and it would be ridiculous to expect children, who normally get into fights, have any idea that they could cause a medical condition.

Like I said, expel him and make the rest up to the bullied child's parents. That would probably be enough.
 
2013-02-08 02:57:12 PM

FinFangFark: StaleCoffee: hitlersbrain: I believe any bullies need to be ostracised... permanently. They're the lowest of human scum and one of the most disruptive and destructive elements of society. That being said, you really can't treat the kid any different than you would if his victim had not gone into a coma.

I remember one of the things my moron teachers would always say... it takes two to make a fight. It was their way of passing the buck by blaming the victim (me). It's surprising how many teachers are borderline retarded, even in 'good' schools.

I don't believe bullies should be permanently ostracized, but I do think punishments need to be a lot better thought out. Given no way to make good on what they did then why should they bother being anything other than bullying pricks?

I tell my sons that it takes two to fight, because if you just sit there and take it you're going to get an ass beating. I also told them not to worry about what the adults say - you handle the kid starting shiat, and I will deal with the adults with whom you get in trouble.

After dealing with their school for years I'm no longer surprised by the apparently vast numbers of semi moronic teachers. Don't wait 6 weeks to send me a form in triplicate that my son has been acting up, send home a note ASAP so I can set him straight that farking day.

Question - How would you react and punish your kids if you found out they were bullying other kids.  Not fighting to defend themselves, but they were the pricks picking on kids constantly?


I got a note in triplicate about my 6 year old doing just that. He wasn't physically attacking anyone but he was being mean to a particular kid.

I had a long talk with him, listened to him when he told me why he did it, told him its okay to be upset but treating people like that was wrong. I reminded him that regardless of his "why" for doing it, he was still acting like a bully and being the mean kid. He has to apologize to the other kid on Monday. He also loses anything electronics for the next week as a reminder, since 6 year olds are not known for their reasoning or retention skills sans reinforcement. I hope it stops there but if it escalates I will talk to him again and he will be punished again, and I will try to talk to someone who knows how the fark to properly deal with that since I don't seem to be doing it right at that point.

My older son got into a fight with a kid on the bus. He was defending himself. He chose not to inflict permanent harm on the other kid and was upset because he took a haymaker to the face even though he "blocked all the other stupid punches. He didn't even have a fighting style or anything, it was stupid." I've taught my kids some BJJ because I don't want them to get their asses kicked like I did. The bus driver apologized to me, made the other kid move and that was the end of the incident.

I'm still glad I don't have daughters.
 
2013-02-08 02:58:03 PM

vudukungfu: LeroyBourne: That doesn't work these days, they teach the kids to dial 911 when their parents do such logical things.

Yeah, well, the responders have an obligation to check IDs and make sure the beater is related to the beatee, and then beat it.


No joke, I knew this guy who had a 4th and 5th grader, and like every day when they got home he would ask what they learned.  One day one of them answered 'if mommy or you ever hit us we're supposed to call 911.'  He was shocked, and pissed the way the schools are going down hill, and this was well over a decade ago.
 
2013-02-08 02:58:24 PM

arashinogarou: When I changed schools in 8th grade, the local gang of bullies pushed their initiate into picking on me, "the new guy". I tried to walk away three times but the third time I turned around the guy sucker-punched me. I proceeded to beat the holy shiat out of him, but stopped hitting him once he was on the ground, and I walked away. A teacher saw the entire incident including my attempts to get out of the fight, reported me for bullying the other guy (!) and gave me a week's suspension. The other guy got nothing, even though the teacher knew the whole story. When I questioned this, I was told that since I was the new guy I should have let him beat me up. When my parents found out, they had a meeting with that teacher and the principal; I never knew what was said but when it was over I got an apology from the school staff and both me and the kid got the minimum one day suspension required for fighting.

I decided that day that the real bully was the teacher, and resolved to kick the shiat out of any kid that dared to mess with me since I was already going to get in trouble even if I ran from the fight. Funny thing though, I never got harassed the rest of the year.


And people here will argue against any punishment/suspension for the teacher in that scenario.
 
2013-02-08 02:59:41 PM

GBB: If you were pushing past someone, your intention isn't to hurt them.  So if they fell, and if they died is all accidental.  if you were in an argument with this person and you pushed him away, intentionally, and this sequence played out, then yes, you can be held criminally responsible.  In crimes, intention plays a big part.

Civilly, you can be held accountable for compensation for the accidental death of someone.  Civil and criminal procedures are handled quite differently.


You can be sufficiently reckless as to the results of your actions as to infer intent.
 
2013-02-08 03:00:34 PM
Subby.... It was a MEDICALLY induced coma. Meaning the fight didn't put him into it, the doctors did as a preventative measure. A coma isn't always a BAD thing.
 
2013-02-08 03:01:48 PM

2 Replies: Subby.... It was a MEDICALLY induced coma. Meaning the fight didn't put him into it, the doctors did as a preventative measure. A coma isn't always a BAD thing.


Because he was having violent seizures.
 
GBB
2013-02-08 03:02:10 PM

Prof. Frink: Elandriel: Sometimes, I wish eye for an eye were a thing we did.  Sometimes.

See if the bully would be so eager to beat the snot out of some kid, if someone even bigger than the bully then got to come and do the same thing.

Who will bully the bully?

A bigger bully.

Who will bully him?

uh...


It's bullies all the way down.
 
2013-02-08 03:02:23 PM

2 Replies: Subby.... It was a MEDICALLY induced coma. Meaning the fight didn't put him into it, the doctors did as a preventative measure. A coma isn't always a BAD thing.


Nor is 'coma' a clinical term that anyone in a hospital uses.  Gets thrown around fast and loose.
 
2013-02-08 03:02:26 PM

ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.


It's not the bully's fault that Puny Parker can't take a punch due to his radioactive bones being more brittle than pretzel sticks.
 
2013-02-08 03:03:25 PM

BafflerMeal: Magorn: ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.

You may wish to familiarize yourself with the "Eggshell skull" theory that is contained within our laws.  If you do something "wrong" you are liable for the consequences of that wrong action, no matter how unanticipated they may be by you.   Thus: You pnch someone, and it turns out that he has a rare genetic disorder that makes his skull as brittle as an eggshell? You are liable for his injuries, even though you had no way of knowing about his condition, because you shouldn;t have punched him in the first place.


Correct.  Similarly, Cheney could be charged with manslaughter if his friend ever dies from a long term complication after being shot in the face.


Well, usually there is a common-law derived "year and a day" limitation on time between the act and the resulting death-which has caused some complications in cases where a person went into an irreversible coma immediately after the crime but was kept alive on life support for more than a year afterwards
 
2013-02-08 03:03:41 PM

StaleCoffee: hitlersbrain: I believe any bullies need to be ostracised... permanently. They're the lowest of human scum and one of the most disruptive and destructive elements of society. That being said, you really can't treat the kid any different than you would if his victim had not gone into a coma.

I remember one of the things my moron teachers would always say... it takes two to make a fight. It was their way of passing the buck by blaming the victim (me). It's surprising how many teachers are borderline retarded, even in 'good' schools.

I don't believe bullies should be permanently ostracized, but I do think punishments need to be a lot better thought out. Given no way to make good on what they did then why should they bother being anything other than bullying pricks?

I tell my sons that it takes two to fight, because if you just sit there and take it you're going to get an ass beating. I also told them not to worry about what the adults say - you handle the kid starting shiat, and I will deal with the adults with whom you get in trouble.

After dealing with their school for years I'm no longer surprised by the apparently vast numbers of semi moronic teachers. Don't wait 6 weeks to send me a form in triplicate that my son has been acting up, send home a note ASAP so I can set him straight that farking day.


Kids getting picked on 9 times out of 10 have no one on their side, especially their parents and teachers. They're you know, odd. They don't act right. They wear the wrong clothes don't get involved or have many friends. They're kids who already have a full plate of shiat most kids with decent parents never have to deal with and can't understand. Bullies zero in on these kids and they'll zero in on anyone they perceive as weak for the rest of their lives.
 
2013-02-08 03:06:48 PM

PsiChick: Magorn: ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.

You may wish to familiarize yourself with the "Eggshell skull" theory that is contained within our laws.  If you do something "wrong" you are liable for the consequences of that wrong action, no matter how unanticipated they may be by you.   Thus: You pnch someone, and it turns out that he has a rare genetic disorder that makes his skull as brittle as an eggshell? You are liable for his injuries, even though you had no way of knowing about his condition, because you shouldn;t have punched him in the first place.

I agree, but this is a child. Expulsion would probably be the proper punishment here, and leaving it up to the parents of the injured child if they want to press charges. Children are  very farking stupid, and we as a society need to take that into account. The bully certainly should be punished, but not held to the same standard as an adult, because, let's face it--he's not, and it would be ridiculous to expect children, who normally get into fights, have any idea that they could cause a medical condition.

Like I said, expel him and make the rest up to the bullied child's parents. That would probably be enough.


As somebody who had thier whole life ruined because of bullying from day 1 of grade school let me say Fark you

Bullies should be lined up against the wall and shot. Then charge thier estate for the cost of the bullet

I completely understand why victims of bullying shoot up schools
 
2013-02-08 03:08:24 PM
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2013-02-08 03:09:04 PM

hitlersbrain: StaleCoffee: hitlersbrain: I believe any bullies need to be ostracised... permanently. They're the lowest of human scum and one of the most disruptive and destructive elements of society. That being said, you really can't treat the kid any different than you would if his victim had not gone into a coma.

I remember one of the things my moron teachers would always say... it takes two to make a fight. It was their way of passing the buck by blaming the victim (me). It's surprising how many teachers are borderline retarded, even in 'good' schools.

I don't believe bullies should be permanently ostracized, but I do think punishments need to be a lot better thought out. Given no way to make good on what they did then why should they bother being anything other than bullying pricks?

I tell my sons that it takes two to fight, because if you just sit there and take it you're going to get an ass beating. I also told them not to worry about what the adults say - you handle the kid starting shiat, and I will deal with the adults with whom you get in trouble.

After dealing with their school for years I'm no longer surprised by the apparently vast numbers of semi moronic teachers. Don't wait 6 weeks to send me a form in triplicate that my son has been acting up, send home a note ASAP so I can set him straight that farking day.

Kids getting picked on 9 times out of 10 have no one on their side, especially their parents and teachers. They're you know, odd. They don't act right. They wear the wrong clothes don't get involved or have many friends. They're kids who already have a full plate of shiat most kids with decent parents never have to deal with and can't understand. Bullies zero in on these kids and they'll zero in on anyone they perceive as weak for the rest of their lives.


I know, I dealt with it myself growing up.
 
2013-02-08 03:09:41 PM
Bring a plastic gun to school, that's an expulsion...

Put a 6th grader in a coma... that's a slap'n...

We're shaping up to be just like the Great area known as Britain faster than you can ask, who is the King George guy anyway?
 
2013-02-08 03:10:25 PM

FinFangFark: Question - How would you react and punish your kids if you found out they were bullying other kids. Not fighting to defend themselves, but they were the pricks picking on kids constantly?


For starters, I'd find out why, from their point of view, was picking on kids, and try and establish from the other side what the perception of their behavior was.  I've seen bullying be the result of trouble at home, but I've also seen it be the result of years of defensive behavior.  There's a big problem these days with the smart kids torturing the dumb ones verbally, and claiming bullying if there's a physical response, and an even bigger problem with bullies that are strong but small, picking on larger fatter kids that people assume can fend for themselves.  If I can figure out what the bullying triggers are, I'd address them directly.  First I'd make sure there wasn't a hormonal imbalance angle by making sure my child's fluids and nutritional intake aren't leading to a sugar or testosterone spike or valley in the middle of the school day.  I'd make sure my kid was well exercised and well hydrated, to be sure they have the best possible chance of controlling themselves.  Then I'd discuss the behavior with them, and take them step by step through the problem, and the causes.  I'd explain to them what their patterns of behaviors reveal about their insecurities and their own fears, and try and redirect them in a positive way.  I'd force my child to confront both their actions and their results, that they are responsible for, and the realities of the environment around them, and discuss with them how they could have better handled events to achieve a more positive outcome.  I'd work on regularly teaching them to take control of their own reactions, and teach them to feel secure in themselves, so they can influence others in less forceful ways.  Finally, I'd establish a mechanism of reporting so they'd know their efforts were being monitored directly.  I'd ensure they understood the direct connection between behaviors that are undesirable, the reasons those behaviors are undesirable, and making restitution for their misdeeds.
 
2013-02-08 03:11:16 PM

wedun: Magorn: In seventh grade I really couldn't bring myself to tell a nun to thier face that seconds before I punched the little punk he'd suggested my mom screwed hobos for money- so the other kids always got off scott free.

yeah darn those nuns for not letting you punch that kid for something he said.

you should have been allowed to punch him, after all in the adult world you're allowed at least one free hit if someone insults your mother.


and yet we have the concept of "fighting words" in our legal system, which is defined as "insulting or 'fighting words,' those that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace".  Wonder why that is?
 
2013-02-08 03:12:56 PM

Warlordtrooper: I completely understand why victims of bullying shoot up schools


Cowardice.
 
2013-02-08 03:13:16 PM

StaleCoffee: Zero tolerance only applies when it's one of the cool kids that gets hurt.

Sadly that isn't a troll.



As someone who spent much of his high school days being on the wrong end of that aphorism, I can relate. Schools, like society, really don't care about the ne'er-do-wells - they just want to get the cool kids to where their parents want them to go. The rest of us are just in the way.
 
2013-02-08 03:13:16 PM
I was suspended for a day in 7th grade for pointing my finger at a kid and saying "pa-kew" who had shoved me backwards down the stairs ... yep, I learned my lesson that day: Even though I was the bloody one, I got the nice day home from school and the mark on my record.

Whatever, no hard feelings ...

"pa-kew"
 
2013-02-08 03:14:20 PM

Mr Guy: Warlordtrooper: I completely understand why victims of bullying shoot up schools

Cowardice.


Negative. They simply are using tools to make the fight a bit more fair
 
2013-02-08 03:14:34 PM
<i>honor student, an athlete </i>

Some of the biggest bullies I knew fit that profile.
 
2013-02-08 03:15:16 PM

doubled99: Kids fight. It was a freak occurrence. There is no need to treat the kid like a criminal.


So who's gonna pay the freakishly large hospital bill? The victim's family? The bully's family? The school's insurance?

Prosecute the bully and school district; win judgment; profit.
 
2013-02-08 03:16:53 PM

Elandriel: Sometimes, I wish eye for an eye were a thing we did.  Sometimes.

See if the bully would be so eager to beat the snot out of some kid, if someone even bigger than the bully then got to come and do the same thing.


Caning seems to be a popular deterrent in Singapore.
 
2013-02-08 03:18:23 PM
i went to catholic school where corporal punishment was still meted out.

You got caught fighting, you got put in protective gear and put in ring.  If a much larger kid was caught bullying a smaller kid, the brother.priest would put the larger kid in the ring with someone larger than he.

And and anything that went south went a prank or whatever, was dealt with a few licks with a leather strap in front of the class.

After the few weeks of every semester everyone was a pretty polite bunch.
 
2013-02-08 03:19:51 PM
No pic of Butch Magnus from the Boondocks yet?
 
2013-02-08 03:20:03 PM

FormlessOne: StaleCoffee: Zero tolerance only applies when it's one of the cool kids that gets hurt.

Sadly that isn't a troll.


As someone who spent much of his high school days being on the wrong end of that aphorism, I can relate. Schools, like society, really don't care about the ne'er-do-wells - they just want to get the cool kids to where their parents want them to go. The rest of us are just in the way.


Jesus, that summed up public education perfectly.
 
2013-02-08 03:20:49 PM

Warlordtrooper: Mr Guy: Warlordtrooper: I completely understand why victims of bullying shoot up schools

Cowardice.

Negative. They simply are using tools to make the fight a bit more fair


As one of the recipients of bullying stories I have yet to hear be topped, where I learned to get to classes by using school rooftops and crawlspaces, I agree that it's cowardice.

I never became one of those farkers, and I never used my pain to justify being worse than them.

It is cowardice. That they were seriously injured themselves doesn't make murder any less wrong.

I grok that rage, humiliation and seething resentment. I will never let it control me though. fark those people.
 
2013-02-08 03:21:56 PM
As somebody who had thier whole life ruined because of bullying from day 1 of grade school let me say Fark you

You're pathetic
 
2013-02-08 03:22:32 PM

Mr Guy: Warlordtrooper: I completely understand why victims of bullying shoot up schools

Cowardice.


No, the cowards were the ones that watched, cheered or enabled the bullies.
 
2013-02-08 03:23:50 PM
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Ready to swirly this thread.
 
2013-02-08 03:24:18 PM

ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.


The law does not agree.  Locally, a man was charged with murder because he got in a barfight(he was drunk) with another man (who was also drunk).  One punch, the drunk fell back and hit his head.  This was deemed murder (not sure where the settled out).  In reality, outcomes do matter.
 
2013-02-08 03:25:08 PM
I say that jocks are involved. They will get off with nothing, because they are jocks. That's just how schools work.
 
2013-02-08 03:27:42 PM

ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.


Maybe you should consider living the real world. In the real world, if you INTENTIONALLY HIT someone, and he dies later as a result of you hitting him, EVEN IF HE GOT UP AND WALKED AWAY AT THE TIME, you can go down for murder, depending upon the other circumstances. At the very least, it would be manslaughter. I say the bully should get tried as an adult. After all, he thought he was such a big, tough man when he did the deed. Let him pay the big, tough man price.
 
2013-02-08 03:27:54 PM
I would be less concerned about the victim, and more concerned that there is a kid who beats the shiat out of other kids so badly they wind up in a coma (medically induced or not), which the school is doing little to nothing about, and that my child is sharing a schoolyard with this psychopath. Fark the coma kid, quite honestly, my concern would lie with my own child.

Phrozen

/seriously, though, i hope the victim gets better...
 
2013-02-08 03:28:04 PM

Dinobot: I remember being bullied when I was in middle school until I had enough of it and beat the crap out of one of my tormentors... a teacher dragged me and the other kid into the principal's office.

Principal just took a look at me, told me to wash my face and go back to class and that she would take care care of the other kid.

Didn't get suspended and was never bothered from that point on.

/RIP Principal =(


Sounds like you had a good principal.

Whenever I tried to report bullying I was either told to "just ignore them" or "just don't cry" (as if I can control an involuntary function!), or I was told to essentially stop being me so I wouldn't give them anything to bully me over. Yes, the appropriate response to a 7-year old girl crying is to tell her it's her fault for being so clumsy, or ugly, or whatever else the kids were saying to her.

fark you to all the adults who either blamed me or did nothing. You can bet that during my brief stint as a teacher, I paid attention and was extra nice to the awkward kids who got picked on, and didn't allow it to happen in my sight. I also try to be extra nice to my poor niece who gets bullied by her own family. Kids suck, but adults suck worse because we should know better.
 
2013-02-08 03:28:22 PM

Big Man On Campus: DEMAND A PLAN TO BAN HIGH CAPACITY FISTS


More people are killed each year by fists than are killed by all types of rifles.
 
2013-02-08 03:29:23 PM

LeroyBourne: vudukungfu: LeroyBourne: That doesn't work these days, they teach the kids to dial 911 when their parents do such logical things.

Yeah, well, the responders have an obligation to check IDs and make sure the beater is related to the beatee, and then beat it.

No joke, I knew this guy who had a 4th and 5th grader, and like every day when they got home he would ask what they learned.  One day one of them answered 'if mommy or you ever hit us we're supposed to call 911.'  He was shocked, and pissed the way the schools are going down hill, and this was well over a decade ago.


My parents told me exactly what happens to kids who make their parents go away.
they go to an orphange or a foster home and get diddled by ugly people who don't love them.
Bless them for scaring the shiat out of me.
I'd have been a mugshot for sure, had they not.
 
2013-02-08 03:31:18 PM
Used to get bullied constantly by group of 6 kids in HS growing up. After multiple times of me getting jumped by a group of people getting my face smashed in, school did nothing, parents did nothing, police did nothing. Well, until I had enough of that shiat and brought a baseball bat to school one day. Waited for three days for them to start with me during lunch break. Beat two of them bloody with the bat, other 4 ran. I get arrested for assault for defending myself and I get the criminal record. No one messed with me again after that.

//Moral of the story, just get a weapon
 
2013-02-08 03:31:43 PM
Dear Bullies,

Columbine. 

Now stop it!
 
2013-02-08 03:33:49 PM

Magorn: ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.

You may wish to familiarize yourself with the "Eggshell skull" theory that is contained within our laws.  If you do something "wrong" you are liable for the consequences of that wrong action, no matter how unanticipated they may be by you.   Thus: You pnch someone, and it turns out that he has a rare genetic disorder that makes his skull as brittle as an eggshell? You are liable for his injuries, even though you had no way of knowing about his condition, because you shouldn;t have punched him in the first place.


You may wish to familiarize yourself with my first sentence, and with the difference between punishment and liability.
 
2013-02-08 03:37:33 PM

ChaoticLimbs: You may wish to familiarize yourself with my first sentence, and with the difference between punishment and liability.


You're still wrong.  If this kid dies, the kids who assaulted him are on the hook for murder.  Presuming the medical examiner determines he died due to the injuries they caused him, including hitting his head on the ground.
 
2013-02-08 03:37:38 PM

KrispyKritter: just tossing everything in from the refrigerator into a pot doesn't make a good dinner. you got good kids, you got messed up kids from messed up families, you have mentally ill kids and you have handicapped kids. the only other time you see this mix all in one stew is prison, and it's not right there either.

each group needs and deserves their own place with room to grow and achieve. as it is now those who could shine the most have all sorts of annoyances, obstacles and interruptions thrown their way. it's as if those in charge of school systems don't want your children to excel.

keep letting riff raff multiply unchecked and this crap will continue. there are few jobs as important and demanding as being a good parent. proving you are willing and able is way over due. the rich wealthy families don't give a damn about you and yours: their children attend the finest private schools. people in America need to wake up and get back to eugenics.


As long as we get to start with YOUR crotch droppings, that might not be an entirely shiatty idea, "Einstein".
 
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