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		When a sixth-grader is left IN A COMA after a schoolyard fight, I think you need to use a stronger word than "bullying" to describe the attack, and maybe hand out a punishment stiffer than a two-day suspension (abclocal.go.com)		224
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DownDaRiver		2013-02-08 11:55:43 AM

the kid (victim) should have claimed the bullies pointed their fingers at him and said bang!
They would have been expulsed that day.

Pud		2013-02-08 12:03:53 PM

And here in Georgia they are expelling several kids for a food fight during lunch. I think I'm starting to see the logic behind school punishments. Damned near kill a kid: Stay home and play video games for a couple of days and think about what you did. Throw some mashed potatoes, or point a finger and say bang (as DownDaRiver pointed out): YOOOUUURRR'E OUTTA' HERE !!!!

Banned on the Run		2013-02-08 01:25:02 PM

I saw a kid (small 6th or 7th grader) who was picked by an 8th grader and thrown to the ground, breaking his collar bone.

Mom's got the "someone's head will roll" look when I pointed out that what happened was "assault and battery".

FirstNationalBastard		2013-02-08 01:46:06 PM

So, "Zero Tolerance" only applies when someone throws an imaginary hand grenade?

WhyteRaven74		2013-02-08 01:53:03 PM

Someone needs to be in juvie. Like yesterday.

Magorn		2013-02-08 02:08:40 PM

Banned on the Run: I saw a kid (small 6th or 7th grader) who was picked by an 8th grader and thrown to the ground, breaking his collar bone.

Mom's got the "someone's head will roll" look when I pointed out that what happened was "assault and battery".

well technically so is just punching the kids. Breaking a bone though may elevate it to "mayhem" depnding on whether your state uses common law crime definitions

Elandriel		2013-02-08 02:09:57 PM

Sometimes, I wish eye for an eye were a thing we did. Sometimes.

See if the bully would be so eager to beat the snot out of some kid, if someone even bigger than the bully then got to come and do the same thing.

edmo		2013-02-08 02:10:10 PM

Does someone have to get shot before they'll call the police? Sounds like they didn't do anything until the kid was in the hospital.

Magorn		2013-02-08 02:12:40 PM

FirstNationalBastard: So, "Zero Tolerance" only applies when someone throws an imaginary hand grenade?

It's really very simple: the kid throwing an imaginary hand grenade is a nice, normal, kid who the school can terrorize and make an example of to show how "tough" they are.

A kid capable of beating a fellow student into a coma probably has a "rap sheet" already in the school, not to mention a differential diagnois of anti-social personality disorder, or ADHD or somesuch, so the school adminstrators are worried about getting hit with an IDEA lawsuit if the crack down on HIM, besides, the school counselor thinks he's a "troubled kid" from a bad home, and is therefore a perfect reclamation project where she gets to actually USE that LCSW degree she earned before getting the job.

vudukungfu		2013-02-08 02:13:40 PM

edmo: Does someone have to get shot before they'll call the police? Sounds like they didn't do anything until the kid was in the hospital.

No. Someone needs and asswhoopin and the cops need to stay out of it.
It's called being a parent and cutting a switch.
You park the welts on the backside with the belt and the little shiats will learn not to misbehave.

Or you can be a babydaddy, and not do jack fark about your spawn.
In which case, yous hould be in prison for failing to mind your crotch fruit.
It's the farking law.

kendelrio		2013-02-08 02:14:03 PM

Is it time to have a discussion about banning sixth-graders?

vudukungfu		2013-02-08 02:14:15 PM

DownDaRiver: the kid (victim) should have claimed the bullies pointed their fingers at him and said bang!
They would have been expulsed that day.

You are gifted.

hasty ambush		2013-02-08 02:16:04 PM

FirstNationalBastard: So, "Zero Tolerance" only applies when someone throws an imaginary hand grenade?

1. It's Philadelphia

2. It's "Professional " educators making the decision

3. The victim is a white male so on some level he had it coming.

d23		2013-02-08 02:16:20 PM

kendelrio: Is it time to have a discussion about banning sixth-graders?

I have never, ever, ever felt more justified in using this image than I do now...

ChaoticLimbs		2013-02-08 02:17:12 PM

Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion		2013-02-08 02:17:39 PM

"Keep an eye out for it, it's something that's very serious. Sometimes kids are afraid to tell their parents that they're being bullied because of the embarrassment," O'Neill said.

Says the guy who doesn't understand bullying or how it works.

It's got nothing to do with being embarrassed and everything to do with retribution. If you "tell" you're only going to get it ten times worse, if you're lucky.

durbnpoisn		2013-02-08 02:18:08 PM

My wife works at the elementary school up the street. Last week one of the teachers there got put into a headlock by a student. In the esuing scuffle, he somehow ended up breaking her hand.

See, to me, that's a simple matter of assault. No question. The kid should have been taken away by the police, and suspended for at least a few weeks.

But, in this case, the Principle just yelled at the kid and sent him home. He was back the next day.

That's pretty f'n stupid. If that were my wife with the broken hand, I would have gone to the kid's hous and kicked his father's ass for being a lousy parent.

Magorn		2013-02-08 02:18:09 PM

edmo: Does someone have to get shot before they'll call the police? Sounds like they didn't do anything until the kid was in the hospital.

I do have a certain respect for "let the kids fight it out" on the theory that SOME agression in pre-pubscent boys is endocrinologically inevitable. I had the misfortune of being the tallest, hairiest, fattest, smartest and most socially inept kid in my middle school. I was 6'1 nd at least 180 at the time, and I was constantly harrased by two kids who were barely 4 ft and wanted to establish themselves as at least above me on the pecking order-and they knew it was safe because the few time I snapped and went to beat the hell out of one of them, I got hauled up short by the nuns who then subjected me to lectures about what a horrible bully I was for picking on kids so much smaller than me. In seventh grade I really couldn't bring myself to tell a nun to thier face that seconds before I punched the little punk he'd suggested my mom screwed hobos for money- so the other kids always got off scott free.

kindms		2013-02-08 02:18:11 PM

Magorn: FirstNationalBastard: So, "Zero Tolerance" only applies when someone throws an imaginary hand grenade?

It's really very simple: the kid throwing an imaginary hand grenade is a nice, normal, kid who the school can terrorize and make an example of to show how "tough" they are.

A kid capable of beating a fellow student into a coma probably has a "rap sheet" already in the school, not to mention a differential diagnois of anti-social personality disorder, or ADHD or somesuch, so the school adminstrators are worried about getting hit with an IDEA lawsuit if the crack down on HIM, besides, the school counselor thinks he's a "troubled kid" from a bad home, and is therefore a perfect reclamation project where she gets to actually USE that LCSW degree she earned before getting the job.

did you even read the article ? It said that a kid punched him in the nose 2x. The kid wasn't beat in to a coma. He was medically induced in to one several days later. It seems to be a result of the fracture to his nose but the other kid didn't beat him until he stopped moving

And dad says bullying. They only suspended the other kid 2 days which sort of indicates there might be more to this story

CygnusDarius		2013-02-08 02:18:20 PM

It's not like that.

The kid had WMDs.

Cold_Sassy		2013-02-08 02:18:29 PM

Elandriel: Sometimes, I wish eye for an eye were a thing we did. Sometimes.

See if the bully would be so eager to beat the snot out of some kid, if someone even bigger than the bully then got to come and do the same thing.

I always wish it was an eye for an eye. What's not fair about that?

You can bet a lot less sh*t would go on.

LeroyBourne		2013-02-08 02:18:46 PM

vudukungfu: edmo: Does someone have to get shot before they'll call the police? Sounds like they didn't do anything until the kid was in the hospital.

No. Someone needs and asswhoopin and the cops need to stay out of it.
It's called being a parent and cutting a switch.
You park the welts on the backside with the belt and the little shiats will learn not to misbehave.

Or you can be a babydaddy, and not do jack fark about your spawn.
In which case, yous hould be in prison for failing to mind your crotch fruit.
It's the farking law.

That doesn't work these days, they teach the kids to dial 911 when their parents do such logical things.

durbnpoisn		2013-02-08 02:19:36 PM

the_rhino		2013-02-08 02:19:45 PM

if the victim had a gun this wouldn't have happened.

tlars699		2013-02-08 02:19:48 PM

FTA:

He was also knocked down, causing a concussion.

Bailey's parents had him checked out at the hospital, but something still wasn't right.

"He was sleeping. He was moody. He wasn't himself. He was angry a little bit. He wasn't really eating," O'Neill said.

A few days later, Bailey took a turn for the worse and started having violent seizures.

Doctors at A.I. duPont Hospital for Children were forced to put Bailey into a medically induced coma almost two weeks ago

The kid was beaten so bad, he had to be induced into a coma, or he may have died.

Snarfangel		2013-02-08 02:20:01 PM

Send in the drones.

cookiefleck		2013-02-08 02:20:21 PM

NickBush24		2013-02-08 02:20:46 PM

Magorn: FirstNationalBastard: So, "Zero Tolerance" only applies when someone throws an imaginary hand grenade?

It's really very simple: the kid throwing an imaginary hand grenade is a nice, normal, kid who the school can terrorize and make an example of to show how "tough" they are.

A kid capable of beating a fellow student into a coma probably has a "rap sheet" already in the school, not to mention a differential diagnois of anti-social personality disorder, or ADHD or somesuch, so the school adminstrators are worried about getting hit with an IDEA lawsuit if the crack down on HIM, besides, the school counselor thinks he's a "troubled kid" from a bad home, and is therefore a perfect reclamation project where she gets to actually USE that LCSW degree she earned before getting the job.

IDEA lawsuits: Several hundred thousand dollars+
Bullets: Less than a dollar

/the world needs some cleansing

MBooda		2013-02-08 02:21:03 PM

IN A COMA after a schoolyard fight

IN A COMA because of a schoolyard fight

/post hoc ergo propter hoc nazi

FinFangFark		2013-02-08 02:21:17 PM

Two days? Really?

I'm sure that bully is loving his 4 day weekend.

Magorn		2013-02-08 02:21:50 PM

ChaoticLimbs: Punishments are meted out based on what a child DID, not by what happened as a result. The bully hit a kid, that carries a punishment of suspension. The coma was his fault, but he didn't do anything more than most middle schoolers do.

Save your outrage. People fall down and sometimes damage their brains. If you shoved past someone to get on the subway, and as a result, he fell down and was stepped on and died, did you kill that person? No. But it's your fault that he died.
Shoving a person and murdering a person are different. Both are bad, but one is murder and one is rudeness or assault.

You may wish to familiarize yourself with the "Eggshell skull" theory that is contained within our laws. If you do something "wrong" you are liable for the consequences of that wrong action, no matter how unanticipated they may be by you. Thus: You pnch someone, and it turns out that he has a rare genetic disorder that makes his skull as brittle as an eggshell? You are liable for his injuries, even though you had no way of knowing about his condition, because you shouldn;t have punched him in the first place.

Vegan Meat Popsicle		2013-02-08 02:21:59 PM

Magorn: Banned on the Run: I saw a kid (small 6th or 7th grader) who was picked by an 8th grader and thrown to the ground, breaking his collar bone.

Mom's got the "someone's head will roll" look when I pointed out that what happened was "assault and battery".

well technically so is just punching the kids. Breaking a bone though may elevate it to "mayhem" depnding on whether your state uses common law crime definitions

I don't think simply breaking a bone would itself constitute mayhem. Doesn't that typically require inflicting a permanent and disabling injury (such as this case)?

bbcard1		2013-02-08 02:22:04 PM

The two day suspension sounds light until you consider that one of the days was a field with a hot teacher.

radiovox		2013-02-08 02:22:41 PM

Well thank god he didn't draw a picture of a gun while at school or else he would be out for a week!

Atomic Spunk		2013-02-08 02:23:23 PM

durbnpoisn: My wife works at the elementary school up the street. Last week one of the teachers there got put into a headlock by a student. In the esuing scuffle, he somehow ended up breaking her hand.

See, to me, that's a simple matter of assault. No question. The kid should have been taken away by the police, and suspended for at least a few weeks.

But, in this case, the Principle just yelled at the kid and sent him home. He was back the next day.

That's pretty f'n stupid. If that were my wife with the broken hand, I would have gone to the kid's hous and kicked his father's ass for being a lousy parent.

Nice, in theory. The reality is that if the kid was violent enough to put his female teacher in a headlock, the kid's father is likely an ornery SOB. If you went to their home with the intention of picking a fight, you'd probably find yourself looking down the wrong end of a shotgun.

valar_morghulis		2013-02-08 02:23:37 PM

FinFangFark: Two days? Really?

I'm sure that bully is loving his 4 day weekend.

I hope Reddit doesn't get ahold of his home address.

^{Oh please oh please}

Mouser		2013-02-08 02:23:38 PM

WhyteRaven74: Someone needs to be in juvie. Like yesterday.

There's no such thing as juvenile delinquents; only adults who failed to instill discipline in their children.

Elandriel: Sometimes, I wish eye for an eye were a thing we did. Sometimes.

See if the bully would be so eager to beat the snot out of some kid, if someone even bigger than the bully then got to come and do the same thing.

Where do you think the bully learned this behavior? If you want "eye for an eye" justice, then find the punk's parents and have them publicly caned for their poor child-rearing practices.

letrole		2013-02-08 02:24:10 PM

Bullies serve a real purpose as nature's way of correcting aberrant behaviour. Anti-Bullying measures are counter-productive. Without a bully to make him conform, a misfit continues to wallow in his own misery. With a bully, the misfit is given hard and firm lessons about fitting into society.

A good bully saves lives.

Dinobot		2013-02-08 02:24:22 PM

I remember being bullied when I was in middle school until I had enough of it and beat the crap out of one of my tormentors... a teacher dragged me and the other kid into the principal's office.

Principal just took a look at me, told me to wash my face and go back to class and that she would take care care of the other kid.

Didn't get suspended and was never bothered from that point on.

/RIP Principal =(

Katolu		2013-02-08 02:24:34 PM

ohdoublereally		2013-02-08 02:24:41 PM

FirstNationalBastard: So, "Zero Tolerance" only applies when someone throws an imaginary hand grenade?

It's the thought that counts.

KrispyKritter		2013-02-08 02:25:36 PM

just tossing everything in from the refrigerator into a pot doesn't make a good dinner. you got good kids, you got messed up kids from messed up families, you have mentally ill kids and you have handicapped kids. the only other time you see this mix all in one stew is prison, and it's not right there either.

each group needs and deserves their own place with room to grow and achieve. as it is now those who could shine the most have all sorts of annoyances, obstacles and interruptions thrown their way. it's as if those in charge of school systems don't want your children to excel.

keep letting riff raff multiply unchecked and this crap will continue. there are few jobs as important and demanding as being a good parent. proving you are willing and able is way over due. the rich wealthy families don't give a damn about you and yours: their children attend the finest private schools. people in America need to wake up and get back to eugenics.

Y2Jericho		2013-02-08 02:25:47 PM

If the victim was gay then it'd be on every newchannel and rock stars would hld benefit concerts.

Warlordtrooper		2013-02-08 02:26:02 PM

But if the kid responds to the bullying with a gun they will blame the kid and call him crazy instead of addressing the real issue of bullying

GoldSpider		2013-02-08 02:26:03 PM

Magorn		2013-02-08 02:26:05 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Magorn: Banned on the Run: I saw a kid (small 6th or 7th grader) who was picked by an 8th grader and thrown to the ground, breaking his collar bone.

Mom's got the "someone's head will roll" look when I pointed out that what happened was "assault and battery".

well technically so is just punching the kids. Breaking a bone though may elevate it to "mayhem" depnding on whether your state uses common law crime definitions

I don't think simply breaking a bone would itself constitute mayhem. Doesn't that typically require inflicting a permanent and disabling injury (such as this case)?

In some case "disabling" is the phrase that pays rather than "permanent" and so breaking a bone CAN be charged that way, but yes you are correct that it usually requires something like a loss of a limb to be charged. (and is my second favorite criminal charge after "being a rogue and a vagabond" (still charged in MD sometimes)

tlars699		2013-02-08 02:26:14 PM

kindms:And dad says bullying. They only suspended the other kid 2 days which sort of indicates there might be more to this story

Bailey is an honor student, an athlete, and a big brother.

Hmmm, perhaps sir, you are correct, in that there is more to this story, seems to be a popular kid....

"Rob says four weeks ago his 11-year-old son was being bullied by a couple of kids when one hit him in the face several times fracturing his nose.
He was also knocked down, causing a concussion."

Two on one though, sounds more bully-ish. Also, "several" != "couple"

freetomato		2013-02-08 02:26:26 PM

Pud: And here in Georgia they are expelling several kids for a food fight during lunch. I think I'm starting to see the logic behind school punishments. Damned near kill a kid: Stay home and play video games for a couple of days and think about what you did. Throw some mashed potatoes, or point a finger and say bang (as DownDaRiver pointed out): YOOOUUURRR'E OUTTA' HERE !!!!

Last night on the Atlanta news, they showed a kid who was suspended for a week for bringing prank bubblegum that gives you a shock to school, which seemed pretty freakin' ridiculous to me.