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2013-02-08 10:15:19 AM
I've been there a couple times. It's one of those places that tries to be classy but when the lights come on it is kind of a dump. Maybe these people were acting too successful on line. They don't look much different from the crowd I've seen in there.
 
2013-02-08 10:18:25 AM
Happened to me in Portugal, I know how it feels.

And I'm a white dude.
 
2013-02-08 10:19:03 AM
Ok, when did "you people" become racist?
 
2013-02-08 10:24:34 AM
FTFA: ...if he used the club's bottle service, where patrons pay hundreds of dollars for a single bottle of booze.

Anyone who does this is a complete moron.  I can understand the appeal of drinking with your buddies, but why does it make it so much better to massively overpay and be surrounded by strangers when you do it?
 
2013-02-08 10:25:11 AM
Something is fishy.  If the dude made the reservation, how did he not get in by showing ID?  How did the four women get in on his res?

"It's unfathomable in this era to believe this kind of thing is going on," said their lawyer, Fred Lichtmacher. "This is 1930s-style Alabama treatment."

Fark him.  If it was 30s Bama, none of them would have been in there.
 
2013-02-08 10:35:46 AM

stonicus: FTFA: ...if he used the club's bottle service, where patrons pay hundreds of dollars for a single bottle of booze.

Anyone who does this is a complete moron.  I can understand the appeal of drinking with your buddies, but why does it make it so much better to massively overpay and be surrounded by strangers when you do it?


Making your way in the world today takes everything you've got.
Taking a break from all your worries, sure would help a lot.

Wouldn't you like to get away?

Sometimes you want to go

Where everybody knows your name,
and they're always glad you came.
You wanna be where you can see,
our troubles are all the same
You wanna be where everybody knows
Your name.

You wanna go where people know,
people are all the same,
You wanna go where everybody knows
your name.

Full Lyrics never actually aired

Making your way in the world today
Takes everything you've got;
Taking a break from all your worries
Sure would help a lot.
Wouldn't you like to get away?

All those night when you've got no lights,
The check is in the mail;
And your little angel
Hung the cat up by it's tail;
And your third fiance didn't show;

Sometimes you want to go
Where everybody knows your name,
And they're always glad you came;
You want to be where you can see,
Our troubles are all the same;
You want to be where everybody knows your name.

Roll out of bed, Mr. Coffee's dead;
The morning's looking bright;
And your shrink ran off to Europe,
And didn't even write;
And your husband wants to be a girl;

Be glad there's one place in the world
Where everybody knows your name,
And they're always glad you came;
You want to go where people know,
People are all the same;
You want to go where everybody knows your name.

Where everybody knows your name,
And they're always glad you came;
Where everybody knows your name,
And they're always glad you came...
 
2013-02-08 10:39:17 AM

ITGreen: Happened to me in Portugal, I know how it feels.

And I'm a white dude.


I would like to hear the rest of the story if you have time. White, American, tourist and they did this to you?
 
hej
2013-02-08 10:50:49 AM

stonicus: FTFA: ...if he used the club's bottle service, where patrons pay hundreds of dollars for a single bottle of booze.

Anyone who does this is a complete moron.  I can understand the appeal of drinking with your buddies, but why does it make it so much better to massively overpay and be surrounded by strangers when you do it?


It impresses everybody when they see all that money that you no longer have.
 
2013-02-08 10:52:49 AM

johnryan51: ITGreen: Happened to me in Portugal, I know how it feels.

And I'm a white dude.

I would like to hear the rest of the story if you have time. White, American, tourist and they did this to you?


newsflash... the rest of the world thinks most Americans are obnoxious morons.
 
2013-02-08 10:54:52 AM
The big bottle of Grey Goose is like $49.99 at the grocery store.

(If you live in a state where we sell liquor next to the eggs.)
 
2013-02-08 11:09:14 AM
Anybody who buys "top-shelf" vodka is an idiot. Around here New Amsterdam is $10.99 at Rite-Aid when it's not marked down; when you want distinctive flavor try an inexpensive potato, corn or rye vodka -- all less than $20 for 750mL.

But avoid the really cheap $7.99 for a 175mL jug stuff. If you're that desperate you might consider rehab.
 
2013-02-08 11:20:26 AM

The One True TheDavid: Anybody who buys "top-shelf" vodka is an idiot. Around here New Amsterdam is $10.99 at Rite-Aid when it's not marked down; when you want distinctive flavor try an inexpensive potato, corn or rye vodka -- all less than $20 for 750mL.

But avoid the really cheap $7.99 for a 175mL jug stuff. If you're that desperate you might consider rehab.


Buying booze at Rite-Aid and talking about rehab. Thanks you made me laugh.
 
2013-02-08 11:45:20 AM

The One True TheDavid: Anybody who buys "top-shelf" vodka is an idiot. Around here New Amsterdam is $10.99 at Rite-Aid when it's not marked down; when you want distinctive flavor try an inexpensive potato, corn or rye vodka -- all less than $20 for 750mL.

But avoid the really cheap $7.99 for a 175mL jug stuff. If you're that desperate you might consider rehab.


I think you got the ml measurements backward.
 
2013-02-08 11:49:34 AM

johnryan51: ITGreen: Happened to me in Portugal, I know how it feels.

And I'm a white dude.

I would like to hear the rest of the story if you have time. White, American, tourist and they did this to you?


White American sailor in a liberty port; I'm sure news of our visit preceded us and we were treated appropriately.
 
2013-02-08 11:54:35 AM

The One True TheDavid: But avoid the really cheap $7.99 for a 175mL jug stuff. If you're that desperate you might consider rehab.


I read this just as Amy Winehouse sang "Try to make me go to rehab, I say no no no" on the stereo here at Starbucks
 
2013-02-08 12:04:54 PM
When I was in Okinawa last year I went to a sushi restaurant (Sushi Zen) that discriminates against Japanese people. The sushi master is Japanese, born in Okinawa, but moved to the US and opened some restaurants there. When he came back to Okinawa and opened this place outside Kadena, he had problems with locals showing up and badmouthing the American clientele. So he put a sign on the front door, in Japanese, that basically says, "This is a private club. You have to be a member to eat here, and dues are $5,000/year." End result: restaurant is filled only with Americans who can't read the sign.

Good sushi.
 
2013-02-08 12:15:33 PM
Grey Goose is for suckers.
 
2013-02-08 12:19:37 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: When I was in Okinawa last year I went to a sushi restaurant (Sushi Zen) that discriminates against Japanese people. The sushi master is Japanese, born in Okinawa, but moved to the US and opened some restaurants there. When he came back to Okinawa and opened this place outside Kadena, he had problems with locals showing up and badmouthing the American clientele. So he put a sign on the front door, in Japanese, that basically says, "This is a private club. You have to be a member to eat here, and dues are $5,000/year." End result: restaurant is filled only with Americans who can't read the sign.

Good sushi.


"Foreign people are dumb."
-David Letterman
 
2013-02-08 12:49:30 PM
Of course, denying entry or requiring a fee based on your genitalia or appearance is ok.
 
2013-02-08 01:00:59 PM
"There was no more room" as he continued letting white patrons stroll inside, the suit alleges.

Were these white patrons also "women of girth"?
 
2013-02-08 01:15:21 PM

The One True TheDavid: Anybody who buys "top-shelf" vodka is an idiot. Around here New Amsterdam is $10.99 at Rite-Aid when it's not marked down; when you want distinctive flavor try an inexpensive potato, corn or rye vodka -- all less than $20 for 750mL.

But avoid the really cheap $7.99 for a 175mL jug stuff. If you're that desperate you might consider rehab.


He's right, though. Gordon's vodka has NO flavor and has just as much alcohol for, lemme see...I think it was $14.99 last time I bought it. When I lived in the big city (Phoenix), it was like $11.99 at Costco. No flavor and makes perfect Jell-O Shots.
 
2013-02-08 01:21:04 PM
Now Cook, 29, and three of her fellow partygoers are suing the rooftop club for discrimination because of the alleged incident on Feb. 13, 2010.

They waited 3 years to sue?
 
2013-02-08 01:35:47 PM
ecmoRandomNumbers: 

Gordon's vodka has NO flavor and has just as much alcohol for, lemme see...I think it was $14.99 last time I bought it. When I lived in the big city (Phoenix), it was like $11.99 at Costco. No flavor and makes perfect Jell-O Shots.


Coincidentally, Chow's recipe of the day is Hurricane Jelly Shots.

Can you prove you're not an Illuminati operative?!?
 
2013-02-08 01:37:27 PM

WhyteRaven74: The One True TheDavid:

But avoid the really cheap $7.99 for a 175mL jug stuff. If you're that desperate you might consider rehab.

I read this just as Amy Winehouse sang "Try to make me go to rehab, I say no no no" on the stereo here at Starbucks


Ever read The Assault On Tony's? It's almost sobering. When the apocalypse comes I'll be more likely to shoot myself to death instead. Speaking of which, in case anybody out there didn't already know, the book Leaving Las Vegas was better than the movie.
 
2013-02-08 01:40:07 PM
I'm not sure how this whole "bottle service" thing works, but it sounds like the club is guaranteeing a reservation in exchange for paying $320 for a $60 (retail) bottle. So it costs you $260 for the reservation. I may be wrong, but I get the idea that dude tried to bring too many people for that one bottle, and is trying to blame it on "being black".

Why the fark would anyone agree to that anyway?
 
2013-02-08 01:42:14 PM

Oliver Twisted: Ok, when did "you people" become racist?


If something can in any way be construed as racist, it must be racist.  It's just common sense.

images.sodahead.com

/gorilla glue
 
2013-02-08 01:42:17 PM

H31N0US: I've been there a couple times. It's one of those places that tries to be classy but when the lights come on it is kind of a dump. Maybe these people were acting too successful on line. They don't look much different from the crowd I've seen in there.


Most clubs are dumps when the lights come up, but this sounds like they were just too ugly to get in, can you imagine the lawsuits studio 54 would have today for not letting in ugly people? Women would he screaming "just cause I have short hair and weigh 375lbs doesn't mean you can refuse to let me in...!!!!!"
 
2013-02-08 01:44:45 PM

oh_please: Why the fark would anyone agree to that anyway?


You are going to drink anyway, it's kind of like a x drink minimum. And if you compare the retail price of almost any drink they sell at most clubs the markup is going to be ridiculous.
 
2013-02-08 01:45:27 PM

oh_please: I'm not sure how this whole "bottle service" thing works, but it sounds like the club is guaranteeing a reservation in exchange for paying $320 for a $60 (retail) bottle. So it costs you $260 for the reservation. I may be wrong, but I get the idea that dude tried to bring too many people for that one bottle, and is trying to blame it on "being black".

Why the fark would anyone agree to that anyway?


People who choose poorly, my uncle who lived out in the sticks had a word for this type of rich, he called me that when I had to spend every penny I was paid for clearing land. Kind of an asshole but nobody ever told him since he was 6'8" and 300lbs, when you're that big people let you be an asshole.
 
2013-02-08 01:48:54 PM
You are all a bunch of dumbasses.

Stop comparing the bottle service charge to the cost of a bottle at the grocery store. Believe it or not, bottle service is not too bad of a deal when all things are considered. Follow along:

I am going to use the high & low prices from a local club that has bottle service as an option.

Grey Goose $275
Skyy $200

With the bottle you also get all the mixers you want and usually a couple cans of Red Bull included. That is enough to make about 18 regular drinks and that is the total cost.

Now compare that to getting served by the waitress or walking to the bar. About $8 per well drink (including tip). So that is $144 for the Skyy. And you don't have to wait around for it either.

Bottle service also gets you a reserved table. At popular clubs you pretty much aren't getting a table unless you choose bottle service. There is also the benefit of people thinking that you have money if there is a bottle of Grey Goose at the table. So this really isn't a massive rip-off. You pay a little more for guaranteed seating, convenience, and prestige.

Oh, and for you dorks out there. Going to a club and getting bottle service will drastically increase your chances of getting laid. Club chicks LOVE guys that throw money around - or at least appear to.
 
2013-02-08 01:49:27 PM

DrewCurtisJr: oh_please: Why the fark would anyone agree to that anyway?

You are going to drink anyway, it's kind of like a x drink minimum. And if you compare the retail price of almost any drink they sell at most clubs the markup is going to be ridiculous.


Yeah, I guess that's true...at least they get their money up front.
 
2013-02-08 02:10:23 PM
There were three bars in New Orleans that wouldn't let me in because I was white.  I was told by some locals that I had ventured down the wrong block and that honestly, I was lucky to even be alive at that point.  I have decided not to pursue any legal options, and am just thankful that I can live to see another season of Archer.
 
2013-02-08 02:26:12 PM

Oliver Twisted: Ok, when did "you people" become racist?


When this guy used it while addressing the NAACP:

images.politico.com

/No lie. It was literally that exact second.
 
2013-02-08 02:29:01 PM
Private business chooses their customer... alert the press!
 
2013-02-08 02:29:47 PM
www.hotflick.net

Was this the bouncer?  Cuz they were too chubby for the club, but not like, the Earth.
 
2013-02-08 02:35:42 PM

madgonad: You are all a bunch of dumbasses.

Stop comparing the bottle service charge to the cost of a bottle at the grocery store. Believe it or not, bottle service is not too bad of a deal when all things are considered. Follow along:

I am going to use the high & low prices from a local club that has bottle service as an option.

Grey Goose $275
Skyy $200

With the bottle you also get all the mixers you want and usually a couple cans of Red Bull included. That is enough to make about 18 regular drinks and that is the total cost.

Now compare that to getting served by the waitress or walking to the bar. About $8 per well drink (including tip). So that is $144 for the Skyy. And you don't have to wait around for it either.

Bottle service also gets you a reserved table. At popular clubs you pretty much aren't getting a table unless you choose bottle service. There is also the benefit of people thinking that you have money if there is a bottle of Grey Goose at the table. So this really isn't a massive rip-off. You pay a little more for guaranteed seating, convenience, and prestige.

Oh, and for you dorks out there. Going to a club and getting bottle service will drastically increase your chances of getting laid. Club chicks LOVE guys that throw money around - or at least appear to.


Oh wow. If you put it that way it's only a 860% markup. Far more reasonable. Although I guess you can count a small bottle of orange juice and cranberry juice towards that.

/seriously, clubs that require bottle service to sit down are bad
 
2013-02-08 02:52:22 PM

Treygreen13: Oh wow. If you put it that way it's only a 860% markup. Far more reasonable. Although I guess you can count a small bottle of orange juice and cranberry juice towards that.


How is that worse than paying $5+tip for a well drink containing $.50 worth of vodka and cranberry juice? Ric Romero says: drinking at a bar is more expensive than drinking at home.
 
2013-02-08 02:54:32 PM

vernonFL: Now Cook, 29, and three of her fellow partygoers are suing the rooftop club for discrimination because of the alleged incident on Feb. 13, 2010.

They waited 3 years to sue?


^^ That.

Sounds legit.
 
2013-02-08 02:57:44 PM

Treygreen13: Oh wow. If you put it that way it's only a 860% markup. Far more reasonable. Although I guess you can count a small bottle of orange juice and cranberry juice towards that.

/seriously, clubs that require bottle service to sit down are bad


Then don't go there.

I once paid $150 for a steak. It was a great steak, but I have had just as good at home for $10. Businesses exist to make money. Those seats in the front of the airplane that cost 3x the price and get you 20% more hip-room and a few domestic beers are an even bigger rip-off. But people will happily pay more for the slightly higher level of service and the prestige of using it. In fact, this is a founding principle of capitalism. The rich get better shiat - deal with it. If a club is popular, they get to charge more for everything. Clubs have decided that they can use bottle service to attract and please the rich or wannabe clientele and that velvet rope makes sure the hot tail gets in and cheap losers stay out. A club isn't your best friend's basement - it is usually a pretty big investment.
 
2013-02-08 02:59:26 PM

Krieghund: Oliver Twisted: Ok, when did "you people" become racist?

When this guy used it while addressing the NAACP:

[images.politico.com image 605x328]

/No lie. It was literally that exact second.


I don't keep up on celebrities of racism, who is that?
 
2013-02-08 03:00:41 PM

Treygreen13: Oh wow. If you put it that way it's only a 860% markup. Far more reasonable. Although I guess you can count a small bottle of orange juice and cranberry juice towards that.

/seriously, clubs that require bottle service to sit down are bad


Well its cheaper to buy a $11.99 bottle of Popov and get blackout drunk by yourself but for those who go out infrequently with a group of friends where overpaying is sort of what happens, bottle service is the way to go.
 
2013-02-08 03:11:25 PM

stonicus: FTFA: ...if he used the club's bottle service, where patrons pay hundreds of dollars for a single bottle of booze.

Anyone who does this is a complete moron.  I can understand the appeal of drinking with your buddies, but why does it make it so much better to massively overpay and be surrounded by strangers when you do it?


I did this with a couple of buddies in vegas once and every single one of us hooked up with a smoking hot chick. When you take in to account that the four of us make the dorks from the big bang therory look like brad pitt...well, it was worth every penny. One of the most fun nights I've ever had. Try it once in your life - trust me.
 
2013-02-08 03:26:55 PM

oren0: Treygreen13: Oh wow. If you put it that way it's only a 860% markup. Far more reasonable. Although I guess you can count a small bottle of orange juice and cranberry juice towards that.

How is that worse than paying $5+tip for a well drink containing $.50 worth of vodka and cranberry juice? Ric Romero says: drinking at a bar is more expensive than drinking at home.


I go out to bars all the time. I understand that going out to drink is more expensive than staying in to drink. But bottle service is a hilarious waste of money, even if you buy the cheapest bottle they have. And if you're in a place that won't let you sit down because you didn't spend $200 for a bottle of SKYY vodka then you deserve to pay $200 for a bottle of SKYY vodka.

o5iiawah: Well its cheaper to buy a $11.99 bottle of Popov and get blackout drunk by yourself but for those who go out infrequently with a group of friends where overpaying is sort of what happens, bottle service is the way to go.


f.kulfoto.com
 
2013-02-08 04:09:27 PM
FTFA: Julia Cook, told the Daily News of her treatment at 230 Fifth in the Flatiron District.... "People were laughing at us," the dance instructor said Thursday.

Based on the photo from the article, I'm laughing at you for claiming to be a "dance instructor."
 
2013-02-08 04:18:15 PM

Treygreen13: I go out to bars all the time. I understand that going out to drink is more expensive than staying in to drink. But bottle service is a hilarious waste of money, even if you buy the cheapest bottle they have. And if you're in a place that won't let you sit down because you didn't spend $200 for a bottle of SKYY vodka then you deserve to pay $200 for a bottle of SKYY vodka.


A $200 bottle of Skyy yields about 20 shots. At $7/drink (we're not doing well cocktails anymore) those would've cost you $140 at the bar, so call it a $60 upcharge for the table. Split among 6 people and it's actually not that bad a deal compared to the rest of the bar, given that you also don't have to wait for service. But $200 for bottle service is actually on the low end, many clubs in Vegas are well over $1000.

What you're missing is that the drinks aren't not why people pay for bottle service. They do it because they're single guys and bar sluts go straight for those tables to get free drinks, or because they think they're hip hop stars and want to make it rain. The above analogy to first class seats on a plane is apt, you're paying for status as much as anything.
 
2013-02-08 04:35:49 PM

oren0: Treygreen13: I go out to bars all the time. I understand that going out to drink is more expensive than staying in to drink. But bottle service is a hilarious waste of money, even if you buy the cheapest bottle they have. And if you're in a place that won't let you sit down because you didn't spend $200 for a bottle of SKYY vodka then you deserve to pay $200 for a bottle of SKYY vodka.

A $200 bottle of Skyy yields about 20 shots. At $7/drink (we're not doing well cocktails anymore) those would've cost you $140 at the bar, so call it a $60 upcharge for the table. Split among 6 people and it's actually not that bad a deal compared to the rest of the bar, given that you also don't have to wait for service. But $200 for bottle service is actually on the low end, many clubs in Vegas are well over $1000.

What you're missing is that the drinks aren't not why people pay for bottle service. They do it because they're single guys and bar sluts go straight for those tables to get free drinks, or because they think they're hip hop stars and want to make it rain. The above analogy to first class seats on a plane is apt, you're paying for status as much as anything.


Decent clubs will also tend to seperate the crowded portions of the dance floor from the tables with bottle service.  The tables with bottle services generally have an extra small amount of security (at the very least active cocktail waitresses and a bouncer), a better view, less crowding, and better service.  It's not that big a deal paying the equivalent to another three bucks a drink to be in a busy popular club but not have people who complain about the difference between a $250 dollar tab and $300 dollar tab crowding you, to some people.
 
2013-02-08 04:41:52 PM
I owe many drinks to the first club owner who figured out he could take away the tables and only let the yuppies buy them back at +1000% markup on booze we can get by the case for half what you even pay in the stores.  I get the rich douche's money, he gets the B list sluts' VDs and the slut gets nothing but another notch on her daddy issues wall of shame.
 
2013-02-08 04:44:30 PM

oren0: What you're missing is that the drinks aren't not why people pay for bottle service. They do it because they're single guys and bar sluts go straight for those tables to get free drinks, or because they think they're hip hop stars and want to make it rain. The above analogy to first class seats on a plane is apt, you're paying for status as much as anything.


Well (in my humble opinion) there is no amount of bar notoriety worth paying 4 figures for bottle service. My moment of shock was when I saw the phrase "not a bad deal" when you describe paying $200 for a $14 bottle of vodka because it means girls will talk to you.
 
2013-02-08 04:52:50 PM

vernonFL: Now Cook, 29, and three of her fellow partygoers are suing the rooftop club for discrimination because of the alleged incident on Feb. 13, 2010.

They waited 3 years to sue?


As a lawyer who does civil rights work, I'm getting a kick...

To file a civil rights suit in court, you generally have to file a complaint with the applicable state agency or federal office first. In iowa, for instance, you have 300 days to file a complaint with the state agency.

You then can get a right to sue release and take it to court after so many days pass, or let the agency do some of the investigative grunt work, knowing you can still take it to court thereafter.

While 3 years is on the high side, 2 is not uncommon.
 
2013-02-08 05:04:03 PM
Is the statute of limitations for a lawsuit like this 3 years in New York? If so, this looks like a last second money grab. $320 for a bottle of vodak? Really. How stupid are people?
 
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