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(Slate)   You know that "Sandy Hook father" who spoke so eloquently on behalf of gun rights and vowed that the government would take his right to protect his daughter from his "cold, dead hands?" Yup, he's not a Sandy Hook father   (slate.com) divider line 78
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2013-02-08 10:25:14 AM  
13 votes:

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


Because telling the truth and playing by the rules is a surefire way for them to get their asses handed to them on a silver platter.
2013-02-08 10:17:54 AM  
11 votes:
why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?
2013-02-08 11:18:22 AM  
8 votes:

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


Republicans see the other side as the enemy, as un-American.  The Democrats are sane enough to realize that we are all the same nation and that differing opinions can in fact co-exist.
2013-02-08 11:08:20 AM  
8 votes:

The Singing Bush: The following day, Brietbart.com stated plainly that she had "survived the crime at Sandy Hook." On Tuesday, the Daily Caller did the same, explaining that she had "survived the tragic Sandy Hook Elementary shooting." We heard a similar story from Townhall.com, as well as from a spate of other conservative sites.

Unlike the Liberal media who don't let facts get in the way, I just wanted to let you know that my daughter does not attend Sandy Hook Elementary,

Hmmm...


This.  I think his using the phrase "the liberal media" did more to negate what he said than the actual error.  It paints him as an obvious partisan which calls his motives into question -- nobody speaking earnestly and objectively is going to trot out a line like that.  It means he's a FOX News viewer and as such he can't be relied on any more than an NRA shill.
2013-02-08 11:00:56 AM  
8 votes:
The following day, Brietbart.com stated plainly that she had "survived the crime at Sandy Hook." On Tuesday, the Daily Caller did the same, explaining that she had "survived the tragic Sandy Hook Elementary shooting." We heard a similar story from Townhall.com, as well as from a spate of other conservative sites.

Unlike the Liberal media who don't let facts get in the way, I just wanted to let you know that my daughter does not attend Sandy Hook Elementary,


Hmmm...
2013-02-08 10:40:13 AM  
8 votes:
The fact that he wasn't from Sandy Hook doesn't negate his testimony.  The fact that is was trite and stupid does.
2013-02-08 10:25:32 AM  
8 votes:
The fact that he wasn't a Sandy Hook father doesn't negate what he said.  I have always thought that it was a bad idea to make policy based on the emotions of a victim of a crime.  Policy should come from reasoned thought and debate.  Just like I don't want the families of murder victims to control death penalty policy, neither do I want the families of Sandy Hook victims to dictate gun control policy, either for more gun control or less.

That said, the fact that his daughter was one mile away and was clearly personally affected, while not negating what he said, should be taken for what it is: emotion.  We should listen to these people for sure, but need to take it with a grain of salt.
2013-02-08 10:15:17 AM  
8 votes:

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


I certainly devalues his contribution.
2013-02-08 09:53:25 AM  
7 votes:

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


pretty much, yeah.
2013-02-08 09:55:24 AM  
6 votes:

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


pretty much.
2013-02-08 09:47:52 AM  
6 votes:

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


It puts it in a very different context.
2013-02-08 10:39:20 AM  
5 votes:

Ennuipoet: When did You Tube become the "media"? And when did incessantly posting a link to Facebook become the "media"?


About the time every news organization out there decided that objectivity didn't sell ads and they had to have shocking bias 24/7
2013-02-08 11:00:32 AM  
4 votes:

Shryke: To all you dolts insisting he lied, try reading the farking article.


I'm more than willing to bet the farm that he was intentionally "ambiguous".  He knew what people would think and yet he has plausible deniability.
2013-02-08 09:42:41 AM  
4 votes:
Caught int he lie. What to do, what to do?  Blame the media!


"Unlike the Liberal media who don't let facts get in the way, I just wanted to let you know that my daughter does not attend Sandy Hook Elementary"
2013-02-08 03:30:56 PM  
3 votes:

ALC59: Old story, the media said his kid went there he didn't, you people only read what you want
Obamas kids don't go there and yet he uses Sandy Hook for his own personal/political agenda, but no one else is allowed
Where did he find the black kid, all the pictures i've seen of sandy hook were of only white kids
just like the super bowl, had to throw Keys in the mix just for some color


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As someone who lost most of my family and history in the holocaust, I think I'm qualified to say that anyone who would make any kind of a comparison between Hitler and Obama for the sake of this political pissing match has MUCH more in common with the ideals and the character of Adolph Hitler and the Nazi Party than those you accuse.

/tagged "neo-nazi asshole"

//DIAF, DIAF today you worthless POS
2013-02-08 03:02:30 PM  
3 votes:
FFS IT WAS NOT THE "MEDIA" THAT MISREPORTED THIS.

IT WAS THE RIGHT WING ECHO MACHINE.

They ran with an easily vetted youtube piece and didn't think twice about verifying it because it fit their narrative. That is what I am seeing as the difference between "liberals" and "conservatives". Liberals think life is like a fluid body of water and try to make informed decisions with at least a nod to the other opinions, conservatives have a book that spells out the end so everything must be in a certain order. They need things to fit their narrative because when the narrative drops, so does their control and their ability to keep it together. The narrative is their life, it brings them power, and they have to uphold that at all costs, even the cost of just being honest.
2013-02-08 01:56:14 PM  
3 votes:
I kinda feel sorry for Obama. Here he is trying to make the country a better place, and he has to contend with 30 years of deliberate republican herpaderp that has turned an entire generation into a mob of yowling, ugly, near-violent fatasses who worship stupidity and loathe science itself. Even the people of the 70's would facepalm at us in their polyester leisure suits and bell-bottom jeans.
2013-02-08 01:10:06 PM  
3 votes:
If this guy -- in the time between lanza showing up on school property and beginning to shoot -- managed to dash out of work, get home, arm himself, get to the school, and kill or incapacitate Adam Lanza -- well, then he would have a pretty good point.  Seeing as two already-armed and on-scene security guards at Columbine were unable to accomplish this, its pretty doubtful.  Also, basic common sense points to this being extremely unlikely too, but ... god forbid that gets in the way.

This guy is directly to defending his right to own a gun while something bad happens, in favor of not owning a gun while same bad thing happens.  He is defending that right from people who aren't trying to take away that right, and really just want to close some loopholes that let any asshole buy a gun without so much as showing an ID.

His daughter doesn't matter. His credibility doesn't matter.  A stupid argument is a stupid argument no matter who makes it.
2013-02-08 11:39:39 AM  
3 votes:

dcigary: tricycleracer: "I will tell you here today, you will take my ability to protect my Victoria from my cold, dead hands."

Because little Vicky will surely end up raped, murdered, and raped if you can't have 30 rounds in your AR-15.

Not sure about that, but there's a better chance she will NOT be raped, murdered and raped if he DOES have 30 rounds in his AR-15

/just sayin'


There's a better chance that a 15 year old Vicky will get shot sneaking back into the house at 3am after being out with her boyfriend all night than the chance that her dad will thwart a murder-rape-kill.
2013-02-08 11:39:10 AM  
3 votes:
2013-02-08 11:25:11 AM  
3 votes:

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Wow, the amount of stupid in this thread is frightening!

The dude in the video DID NOT LIE - not about anything.  Some idiot posted the video on Youtube attributing it to a "Sandy Hook father" - and media dolts took that description and ran with it.  As soon as the dude in the video saw it, he posted a release correcting the error.


Guess it pays to rtfa
2013-02-08 11:24:33 AM  
3 votes:

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


Because reality has a well-known liberal bias.

I think I may start referring to that fact as "Colbert's law."


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And I really do wish all the freaking sociopaths in power who keep trying to fark over the nation would quit calling themselves "conservatives."

Wanting to destroy public education and Social Security/Medicare while constantly seeking new ways to deny some people the chance to vote-- at least when they're not busy undermining any and all health and safety regulations is anything but "Conservative."  It's actually very "radical" if not borderline "Anarchist" in some ways.
2013-02-08 11:22:26 AM  
3 votes:
Wow, the amount of stupid in this thread is frightening!

The dude in the video DID NOT LIE - not about anything.  Some idiot posted the video on Youtube attributing it to a "Sandy Hook father" - and media dolts took that description and ran with it.  As soon as the dude in the video saw it, he posted a release correcting the error.
2013-02-08 11:10:28 AM  
3 votes:

SethX9: The other is a father of one of the kids in the school and he basically says the same thing: banning guns isn't going to stop insane or evil people from doing insane or evil things.


Like that insane guy in China who slashed, stabbed and killed 20 kids that very same day with a knife.

/and by "killed" I mean wounded.
2013-02-08 11:09:43 AM  
3 votes:

monoski: FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?

Libs just do phony charities and steal the money for themselves


So everybody does it...that's your rebuttal. Obviously you're ok with the lie and cheat part...got it!
2013-02-08 11:03:48 AM  
3 votes:
The court of public opinion is much more important here than the truth, so in that case, this guy won one.  But he should be ashamed of himself.  HE DOES NOT KNOW REALLY WHAT HE WOULD FEEL IF HIS KID WERE INDISCRIMINATELY MOWED DOWN BY A WEAPON OF WAR.  He does not REALLY know how he would then feel about guns.  He's just a Douchebag who's kid was in no danger at all.  BUT to the derp heads, he's a tragic hero and that will not change in the light of the truth.  The public's attention has moved on and this guy served his purpose - not as a father, but as a tool for gun makers.

/why are we all so stupid?
2013-02-08 10:57:21 AM  
3 votes:

To all you dolts insisting he lied, try reading the farking article.

"In fairness to Stevens, the misinformation was not his doing. While his Weenerss were a little ambigious-he said that his daughter "was in lockdown" during the shooting and that "her classmate's little sister was murdered in Sandy Hook that day"-he's already gone out of his way to correct the error,

Thank you for the nice article about my testimony in Hartford. Unlike the Liberal media who don't let facts get in the way, I just wanted to let you know that my daughter does not attend Sandy Hook Elementary, but was in "lock down" nonetheless on December 14, 2012 at Reed Intermediate School (5th & 6th grade) about a mile away with her classmates, one of whom lost his little sister that day.
2013-02-08 10:36:42 AM  
3 votes:
When did You Tube become the "media"? And when did incessantly posting a link to Facebook become the "media"?  The way I saw this was someone took the video from the hearings, posted it with their own slant, it went viral and bunch of "news" organization reported it.

Oh wait, I guess that is the media today.
2013-02-08 03:20:38 PM  
2 votes:
Uh, he is a resident of Sandy Hook and he is a father.

Pretty sure that qualifies as a "Sandy Hook father". He did not claim to have any children currently attending SHES. Listening to his whole statement, "surviving" is used on the communal context, "we all lived through this".

But keep grasping for straws!
2013-02-08 12:51:20 PM  
2 votes:

CheekyMonkey: iheartscotch: I guess you guys can't read good or something. This guy made A statement. Some idiot tagged it sandy hook. Some reporter didn't fact check and published it. And this guy had the moxy to make an additional statement to clear up the confusion.

/ why is this guy a horrible person? Did he pee in your cereal or something?

I wonder if Drew can mod Fark to track which posters actually clicked on the link prior to posting, and tag non-clicking posters with "Uninformed Idiot" or something similar.


Considering that the links to the articles are actually tracking URLs (they all go to a script on FARK with a URL rewrite parameter that specifies the destination URL to redirect to ["...fark.com/goto/{article#}/{destURL}"]), yes, Drew or his code minions could easily do that. They already at the very least count the clicks, and it would be quite easy to, at least for users who are already logged in at the time of the click [IP and/or cookie tracking might provide a way to do this for users who don't log in until they intend to post a Reply], log when they clicked it. Any posts made by that user in that same thread before the click could be flagged accordingly.

How about a "DNRTFA" tag graphic (same height and ½ the width of the "img.fark.net" graphic, thus about 37×11 pixels) that appears just before the "Smart" button, attached to the individual posts, not the poster? That way, if a person comments, then reads TFA, then comments again, you can tell which comments were posted prior to clicking the article link.

Of course, if a person read the article on their own before finding it on FARK (as I did, having seen it on Slate before seeing this thread on FARK), their posts could be unjustly tagged. And, a person could easily right- or middle-click the link (opening it in a new tab and thus activating the FARK "goto" script without the browser switching to that new tab), then read the FARK thread and even comment on it, and not actually read the article in the other tab until later. Such a system would have no way of detecting that.
2013-02-08 12:33:49 PM  
2 votes:

Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Now, having said that. Good luck with the high cap mag ban.


In all fairness to the man, I don't think he was trying to lie. He's clearly unaware that, by presenting himself as affected by the Sandy Hook tragedy, he's basically lying, but he did actually try to clear up the technical lie, and I'd imagine he's just one of those people who really are farking oblivious to social situations.

That said, the rest of us have every right to take it as lying and ignore him. It just wasn't malicious or intentional. Sometimes people are stupid.
2013-02-08 12:03:16 PM  
2 votes:

plewis: The court of public opinion is much more important here than the truth, so in that case, this guy won one.  But he should be ashamed of himself.  HE DOES NOT KNOW REALLY WHAT HE WOULD FEEL IF HIS KID WERE INDISCRIMINATELY MOWED DOWN BY A WEAPON OF WAR.  He does not REALLY know how he would then feel about guns.  He's just a Douchebag who's kid was in no danger at all.  BUT to the derp heads, he's a tragic hero and that will not change in the light of the truth.  The public's attention has moved on and this guy served his purpose - not as a father, but as a tool for gun makers.

/why are we all so stupid?


You mean, ass opposed to people who directly experienced the loss of a child at Sandy Hook, like Barack Obama and Andrew Cuomo?
2013-02-08 12:02:12 PM  
2 votes:

lohphat: The GOP has made it a core platform strategy.

Also, false equivalence fallacy.


Oh yes.  It's a GOP thing to lie.  The Democrats don't lie, and don't make up misleading terms to push their agenda(s).

In that same vein, NBC doesn't have a history of editing videos and audio transcripts to push liberal issues and/or falsely portray conservatives.

Definitely a GOP thing and not a politician thing.
2013-02-08 11:59:18 AM  
2 votes:

pedrop357: FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?

because they learned from liberals?

both sides have liars and cheaters.


The GOP has made it a core platform strategy.

Also, false equivalence fallacy.
2013-02-08 11:44:12 AM  
2 votes:

hdhale: You are harder on Conservatives than Liberals, not just because they claim the mantle of righteousness and wear it a little too proudly, but because it is EARNED.


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2013-02-08 11:34:36 AM  
2 votes:

Biness: This wasn't really his doing. Some wires were crossed and everyone seems to have just run with it.


While I don't think it was his doing, I don't think this a case of wires being crossed.  Someone decided to deliberately lie about it to enflame emotions -OR- they're too damned stupid to know what was going on and took it upon themselves to comment on it anyway.  The old adage "It's better to remain silent and to be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt" has been ignored more and more lately, because nobody cares about the truth, or even having their own ideas.  I don't know how many relatives and acquaintances I have whose only social media presence is "liking" and "sharing" trite, ignorant, and sometimes downright false information created by someone else.  And that is what truly bothers me.  Someone takes the time to deliberately mislead others.  It's either that or they're far too stupid to have the bully pulpit of dumbass fake cards and Photoshopped images that aunts, uncles, and co-workers around the country will disseminate by the millions.
2013-02-08 11:30:49 AM  
2 votes:
This article does not warrant the durbnpoisn.comli.com tag.  The article is actually ABOUT the fact that he is trying to straighten out the facts.  He never said what the media is accusing him of.
2013-02-08 11:16:10 AM  
2 votes:
images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com

What difference does it make?
2013-02-08 11:03:05 AM  
2 votes:

gadian: Shryke: To all you dolts insisting he lied, try reading the farking article.

I'm more than willing to bet the farm that he was intentionally "ambiguous".  He knew what people would think and yet he has plausible deniability.


Surely it isn't your biased ear. Ho hum, Slate disagrees with you.
2013-02-08 11:01:41 AM  
2 votes:

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


Not at all.
2013-02-08 11:00:24 AM  
2 votes:
So why did they let him speak?  It is like he was hired to perform.
2013-02-08 10:59:19 AM  
2 votes:

Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that he wasn't a Sandy Hook father doesn't negate what he said.  I have always thought that it was a bad idea to make policy based on the emotions of a victim of a crime.  Policy should come from reasoned thought and debate.  Just like I don't want the families of murder victims to control death penalty policy, neither do I want the families of Sandy Hook victims to dictate gun control policy, either for more gun control or less.

That said, the fact that his daughter was one mile away and was clearly personally affected, while not negating what he said, should be taken for what it is: emotion.  We should listen to these people for sure, but need to take it with a grain of salt.


but the problem like you said is gun debate unfortunately goes hand in hand with emotions as well. Not much stock is put into 'facts' anymore but rather emotions.. especially  on the pro gun side. It's impossible to have a functional mature debate when one side is 100% convinced it's all about 'the secrit mooslin kenyan wanting to take ALL our guns away!'

Most people who listen to him will listen with their hearts (emotions) not so much with their minds. That alone should negate what he said even if the actual words themselves have meaning to some.
2013-02-08 10:58:52 AM  
2 votes:

Nightsweat: A gun freak lying? Color me shocked.


What, specifically, did he state that was proved to be a lie?
2013-02-08 10:56:00 AM  
2 votes:
vernonFL

Why can't the liberal media get its facts straight?

Fixed for reality.
2013-02-08 10:54:42 AM  
2 votes:
"I will tell you here today, you will take my ability to protect my Victoria from my cold, dead hands."

Because little Vicky will surely end up raped, murdered, and raped if you can't have 30 rounds in your AR-15.
2013-02-08 10:54:36 AM  
2 votes:

Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that he wasn't a Sandy Hook father doesn't negate what he said.


Yeah, it does.  He was making an appeal to an emotion to which he has no real connection.  It is essentially a lie in this context.
2013-02-08 10:53:14 AM  
2 votes:

EvilEgg: The fact that he wasn't from Sandy Hook doesn't negate his testimony


It does kind of adjust the value of it though. Mostly what it does is make me want to krotchpunt the people who were trying to use it with the Sandy Hook label to play on the emotions of the people watching it.
2013-02-08 10:29:51 AM  
2 votes:

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


because they're on the side of the lord god almighty, that's why.
2013-02-08 10:25:23 AM  
2 votes:
Buncha vultures on both "sides" using this situation.  Pretty sick.
2013-02-08 09:37:49 AM  
2 votes:
Why can't the liberal media get its facts straight?

Lamestream drive by limosine liberal Hollywood Ivory tower pointy head Upper West side Media running roughshod over the truth. No surprises here.
2013-02-08 07:21:52 PM  
1 votes:
FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?

When liberals post shiat like this, only to find out it wasn't a lie/cheat, how does that make you feel?  Does it make you realize that you are no different that the Sean Hannities or Rush's?  Of course not, other wise you wouldnt be posting that shiat to begin with
2013-02-08 04:12:56 PM  
1 votes:

zarberg: While we're on the subject of gun control, if you need a 15 round magazine to protect your home as opposed to a 10 round one, shouldn't you be more worried about your marksmanship?


Shut the fark up.
2013-02-08 02:47:58 PM  
1 votes:

Ablejack: Rosa Parks was a liberal plant! Roe has spoken out against legalized abortion!


A 16 year old unmarried pregnant black girl refused to give up her seat on a bus shortly before the Rosa Parks incident but that case was not given publicity because it didn't look good.

I think I read this in "A people's history of the U.S." A great book and I highly recommend it.

It is very left wing and gives a different perspective on us history from what we learned in school.
2013-02-08 01:47:03 PM  
1 votes:

hdhale: Circusdog320: monoski: FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?

Libs just do phony charities and steal the money for themselves

So everybody does it...that's your rebuttal. Obviously you're ok with the lie and cheat part...got it!

How about this...

You are harder on Conservatives than Liberals, not just because they claim the mantle of righteousness and wear it a little too proudly, but because it is EARNED.

This whole line got started because someone made a false generalization about Conservatives as all being liars.  The vast majority of social and political Conservatives are not hypocrites.  However, when you catch one being a hypocrite, in the Liberal's mind, that's grounds for condemning them all.  Bullshiat.  It's something you do to make yourselves feel better about liking the smell of cooking red meat, finding almost childlike joy in shooting a firearm, or secretly wanting to rev up a really fast, gas guzzling sports car and blast down the freeway like a rocket.  It is Liberals who are by in large, hypocrites, not Conservatives.  It is Liberals who need to get the stick out of their ass, not Conservatives.



Just one of the many, many reasons nobody takes your stupid ass seriously.
2013-02-08 01:31:27 PM  
1 votes:

jigger: Are pistols incapable of being used in an assault?


A pudding pop can be used in an assault but that doesn't make it an assault weapon. Thanks for playing semantics and failing, meanwhile ignoring the entire point of my original comment, seems about par for the course for liberal arguments around here.
2013-02-08 01:20:58 PM  
1 votes:

CheekyMonkey: PsiChick: Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Now, having said that. Good luck with the high cap mag ban.

In all fairness to the man, I don't think he was trying to lie. He's clearly unaware that, by presenting himself as affected by the Sandy Hook tragedy, he's basically lying, but he did actually try to clear up the technical lie, and I'd imagine he's just one of those people who really are farking oblivious to social situations.

That said, the rest of us have every right to take it as lying and ignore him. It just wasn't malicious or intentional. Sometimes people are stupid.

Dude's got a little girl who went to school right down the road from Sandy Hook.  If he says it affected him, I'm inclined to believe it.  Who put you in charge of validating other people's emotions?

Are you going to tell me that because I live in NJ, not NYC, and only one person who lived in my condo complex died when the Twin Towers came down, that 9/11 did not affect me?  Bull-farking-shiat.


No, I'm saying that people expect that, if you publicly cite a tragedy, you were a) directly related to the event, or b) do not invoke it while making a political statement (or find a way to draw a clear line). Because he did not complete either of b, most people take it as a lie, because it's expected that you already know this rule.

Of course, this guy clearly didn't, which is why I said it was accidental. But that doesn't mean he didn't end up lying, just that it was unintentional.
2013-02-08 01:19:27 PM  
1 votes:
You know the "assault rifles" every mainstream media outlet reported as the murder weapons in the sandy hook shooting? Yup, those were not assault weapons they were pistols.
2013-02-08 01:18:58 PM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: CheekyMonkey: iheartscotch: I guess you guys can't read good or something. This guy made A statement. Some idiot tagged it sandy hook. Some reporter didn't fact check and published it. And this guy had the moxy to make an additional statement to clear up the confusion.

/ why is this guy a horrible person? Did he pee in your cereal or something?

I wonder if Drew can mod Fark to track which posters actually clicked on the link prior to posting, and tag non-clicking posters with "Uninformed Idiot" or something similar.

The guy's only error was using "Unlike the LIberal media" in his correction email.  That shows him as a partisan douchebag, and makes me want to give him a good cockpunch.

/also, "moxie"

The liberal media thing? Yeah. Even if it's true; you would seem crass, at the very least, saying it.

As to the moxy vs. moxie; google goes both ways. Moxie is not only a word, but it's a soft drink and a band. Google says moxy is a word and a band.

/ who knows which way is right; sure as hell I don't


Google isn't a dictionary.  If you look up 'moxy' in one, you won't find it.  Except for UrbanDictionary, and I'm not sure that counts ;-)
2013-02-08 01:12:06 PM  
1 votes:

PsiChick: Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Now, having said that. Good luck with the high cap mag ban.

In all fairness to the man, I don't think he was trying to lie. He's clearly unaware that, by presenting himself as affected by the Sandy Hook tragedy, he's basically lying, but he did actually try to clear up the technical lie, and I'd imagine he's just one of those people who really are farking oblivious to social situations.

That said, the rest of us have every right to take it as lying and ignore him. It just wasn't malicious or intentional. Sometimes people are stupid.


Dude's got a little girl who went to school right down the road from Sandy Hook.  If he says it affected him, I'm inclined to believe it.  Who put you in charge of validating other people's emotions?

Are you going to tell me that because I live in NJ, not NYC, and only one person who lived in my condo complex died when the Twin Towers came down, that 9/11 did not affect me?  Bull-farking-shiat.
2013-02-08 12:50:33 PM  
1 votes:

Crotchrocket Slim: talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?

Given that the only reason people listened to him was he let people think he had a child in Sandy Hook Elementary it's a pretty huge deal. If that was unimportant why didn't he set the record straight immediately?

Oh right he's someone you agree with so he is beyond criticism.


i'm not saying i agree or disagree with what he's saying.  but really, did he ever say he had a kid there?  people jumped to the wrong conclusions.
and IT'S A YOUTUBE VIDEO, GET OVER IT.

i, for one, do not get my information from youtube.  i get my entertainment there.  so if something on youtube is incorrect, i am 100% not surprised.
2013-02-08 12:09:17 PM  
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CheekyMonkey: iheartscotch: I guess you guys can't read good or something. This guy made A statement. Some idiot tagged it sandy hook. Some reporter didn't fact check and published it. And this guy had the moxy to make an additional statement to clear up the confusion.

/ why is this guy a horrible person? Did he pee in your cereal or something?

I wonder if Drew can mod Fark to track which posters actually clicked on the link prior to posting, and tag non-clicking posters with "Uninformed Idiot" or something similar.

The guy's only error was using "Unlike the LIberal media" in his correction email.  That shows him as a partisan douchebag, and makes me want to give him a good cockpunch.

/also, "moxie"


The liberal media thing? Yeah. Even if it's true; you would seem crass, at the very least, saying it.

As to the moxy vs. moxie; google goes both ways. Moxie is not only a word, but it's a soft drink and a band. Google says moxy is a word and a band.

/ who knows which way is right; sure as hell I don't
2013-02-08 11:58:09 AM  
1 votes:
If you lie through your teeth about having lost a child in a tragic event then you are an asshole.

I could claim that my unborn daughter was being anally raped in uteroby Mohamed Atta even at the very moment the plane he was flying was crashing  into the WTC.

That sounds unreasonable and in poor taste, doesn't it?

And yet some of you farkers are defending this lying scumbag piece of shiat.
2013-02-08 11:57:36 AM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: I guess you guys can't read good or something. This guy made A statement. Some idiot tagged it sandy hook. Some reporter didn't fact check and published it. And this guy had the moxy to make an additional statement to clear up the confusion.

/ why is this guy a horrible person? Did he pee in your cereal or something?


I wonder if Drew can mod Fark to track which posters actually clicked on the link prior to posting, and tag non-clicking posters with "Uninformed Idiot" or something similar.

The guy's only error was using "Unlike the LIberal media" in his correction email.  That shows him as a partisan douchebag, and makes me want to give him a good cockpunch.

/also, "moxie"
2013-02-08 11:48:21 AM  
1 votes:
I guess you guys can't read good or something. This guy made A statement. Some idiot tagged it sandy hook. Some reporter didn't fact check and published it. And this guy had the moxy to make an additional statement to clear up the confusion.

/ why is this guy a horrible person? Did he pee in your cereal or something?
2013-02-08 11:47:41 AM  
1 votes:

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


because they learned from liberals?

both sides have liars and cheaters.
2013-02-08 11:36:15 AM  
1 votes:

tricycleracer: "I will tell you here today, you will take my ability to protect my Victoria from my cold, dead hands."

Because little Vicky will surely end up raped, murdered, and raped if you can't have 30 rounds in your AR-15.


Not sure about that, but there's a better chance she will NOT be raped, murdered and raped if he DOES have 30 rounds in his AR-15

/just sayin'
2013-02-08 11:30:23 AM  
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Circusdog320: monoski: FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?

Libs just do phony charities and steal the money for themselves

So everybody does it...that's your rebuttal. Obviously you're ok with the lie and cheat part...got it!


How about this...

You are harder on Conservatives than Liberals, not just because they claim the mantle of righteousness and wear it a little too proudly, but because it is EARNED.

This whole line got started because someone made a false generalization about Conservatives as all being liars.  The vast majority of social and political Conservatives are not hypocrites.  However, when you catch one being a hypocrite, in the Liberal's mind, that's grounds for condemning them all.  Bullshiat.  It's something you do to make yourselves feel better about liking the smell of cooking red meat, finding almost childlike joy in shooting a firearm, or secretly wanting to rev up a really fast, gas guzzling sports car and blast down the freeway like a rocket.  It is Liberals who are by in large, hypocrites, not Conservatives.  It is Liberals who need to get the stick out of their ass, not Conservatives.
2013-02-08 11:17:13 AM  
1 votes:

tricycleracer: "I will tell you here today, you will take my ability to protect my Victoria from my cold, dead hands."

Because little Vicky will surely end up raped, murdered, and raped if you can't have 30 rounds in your AR-15.


Not if there are 15 guys trying to rape her.
(I double tap. It's Rule #2)
2013-02-08 11:08:42 AM  
1 votes:

Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that he wasn't a Sandy Hook father doesn't negate what he said.  I have always thought that it was a bad idea to make policy based on the emotions of a victim of a crime.  Policy should come from reasoned thought and debate.  Just like I don't want the families of murder victims to control death penalty policy, neither do I want the families of Sandy Hook victims to dictate gun control policy, either for more gun control or less.

That said, the fact that his daughter was one mile away and was clearly personally affected, while not negating what he said, should be taken for what it is: emotion.  We should listen to these people for sure, but need to take it with a grain of salt.


sharetv.org
And people in hell want ice water.

Personally, I don't blame this guy. I blame the "liberal media" for getting it wrong and/or exaggerating the connection to push their own agenda. TFA lists a few of these "liberal media" outlets in the second paragraph.
2013-02-08 11:07:39 AM  
1 votes:
Knows a thing or two about acting
l2.yimg.com
2013-02-08 11:05:55 AM  
1 votes:

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


Actually it was his conservative bias that re-framed it.  His words remain the same.  I did not think he was profound, just a strong advocate for owning guns.
2013-02-08 11:01:07 AM  
1 votes:
Haven't really paid attention to this 'til now.  Are we sure he didn't fabricate his precious "Victoria", too?

And is it just me, or do parents have to scream about "My daughter, my daughter, my daughter" a little too much?  Don't young sons need help and protection, too?  Or do we need future Britney Spearses and Hillary Clintons with through-the-roof self-esteems that badly?
2013-02-08 10:58:21 AM  
1 votes:
It's as if people see thing and make "assumptions" about what they see, and sometimes those "assumptions" are seen to be "wrong" when the thing is seen in "context".
2013-02-08 10:56:22 AM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?

pretty much, yeah.


So given that your sorry butt has nothing to do with anything involved with the story or I would wager anything to do with recent gunviolence stories, I shall just ignore your opinion because according to you the only opinions that count these days are those directly effected...  You know what Im sorry I cant even follow your logic to complete this sentence coherently.
2013-02-08 10:54:28 AM  
1 votes:
A gun freak lying? Color me shocked.
2013-02-08 10:34:40 AM  
1 votes:
This is why we'll never have nice things.

Thanks Obama.

/joking on the last line
2013-02-08 09:44:46 AM  
1 votes:
so that negates what he said then?
2013-02-08 09:40:02 AM  
1 votes:
and I was just joking the other day when I said he was an actor.
 
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