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(Slate)   You know that "Sandy Hook father" who spoke so eloquently on behalf of gun rights and vowed that the government would take his right to protect his daughter from his "cold, dead hands?" Yup, he's not a Sandy Hook father   (slate.com) divider line 217
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2013-02-08 02:14:51 PM  

screwzloos: Even before reading the article, I didn't get any impression from watching the video that this guy's daughter attended Sandy Hook. He didn't even mention the place until he was talking about someone else. Yes, his daughter was on lock-down. The entire state of Connecticut was that day.

Why is there so much confusion and anger about this?


The fark tag says "dumbass" so many farkers just kind of assume he is a dumbass conservative who lied on purpose.

Now as for his "liberal media" comment he should have provided evidence the liberally minded media screwed this up and not all media. The slate article points out many conservative sites that farked it up. Now he sounds like a political hack.
 
2013-02-08 02:17:57 PM  

occamswrist: screwzloos: Even before reading the article, I didn't get any impression from watching the video that this guy's daughter attended Sandy Hook. He didn't even mention the place until he was talking about someone else. Yes, his daughter was on lock-down. The entire state of Connecticut was that day.

Why is there so much confusion and anger about this?

The fark tag says "dumbass" so many farkers just kind of assume he is a dumbass conservative who lied on purpose.

Now as for his "liberal media" comment he should have provided evidence the liberally minded media screwed this up and not all media. The slate article points out many conservative sites that farked it up. Now he sounds like a political hack.


Whatever. Fark would be cheering him if he decried the conservative media. No need to feel defensive. There's plenty of echo chamber threads on this site that you might prefer.
 
2013-02-08 02:22:55 PM  

Frank N Stein: occamswrist: screwzloos: Even before reading the article, I didn't get any impression from watching the video that this guy's daughter attended Sandy Hook. He didn't even mention the place until he was talking about someone else. Yes, his daughter was on lock-down. The entire state of Connecticut was that day.

Why is there so much confusion and anger about this?

The fark tag says "dumbass" so many farkers just kind of assume he is a dumbass conservative who lied on purpose.

Now as for his "liberal media" comment he should have provided evidence the liberally minded media screwed this up and not all media. The slate article points out many conservative sites that farked it up. Now he sounds like a political hack.

Whatever. Fark would be cheering him if he decried the conservative media. No need to feel defensive. There's plenty of echo chamber threads on this site that you might prefer.


I agree fark would cheer him for that. Farkers have no clue about all the shiat liberals do that is well documented on conservative sites.

Unfortunately the conservative sites are 90% shiat anyways so you always have to keep your head about you.
 
2013-02-08 02:22:55 PM  

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


Yes. Not because it directly refutes it, but because it revokes his standing as his opinion having some kind of special status worth caring about. The father of a survivor of the Sandy Hook massacre says something, people want to listen. The father of a girl who goes to school a mile away? Not so much.
 
2013-02-08 02:25:45 PM  
If you name your gun, especially something like "Victoria", you're a farking asshole and should be on a watch list.
/this is not up for debate.
//executive order.
 
2013-02-08 02:28:08 PM  
ALC59:
[i.imgur.com image 371x500]

When did Hitler ban firearms? I'm sure, you can cite a historical document, and not just NRA propaganda, right?
 
2013-02-08 02:29:08 PM  

Frank N Stein: occamswrist: screwzloos: Even before reading the article, I didn't get any impression from watching the video that this guy's daughter attended Sandy Hook. He didn't even mention the place until he was talking about someone else. Yes, his daughter was on lock-down. The entire state of Connecticut was that day.

Why is there so much confusion and anger about this?

The fark tag says "dumbass" so many farkers just kind of assume he is a dumbass conservative who lied on purpose.

Now as for his "liberal media" comment he should have provided evidence the liberally minded media screwed this up and not all media. The slate article points out many conservative sites that farked it up. Now he sounds like a political hack.

Whatever. Fark would be cheering him if he decried the conservative media. No need to feel defensive. There's plenty of echo chamber threads on this site that you might prefer.


Every ideology has echo chambers.

The smart folk in this thread read the article and realized he didn't lie, it was all just blown out of proportion. His opinion is irrelevant, but was given false relevance.
 
2013-02-08 02:31:54 PM  

LavenderWolf: talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?

Yes. Not because it directly refutes it, but because it revokes his standing as his opinion having some kind of special status worth caring about. The father of a survivor of the Sandy Hook massacre says something, people want to listen. The father of a girl who goes to school a mile away? Not so much.


Where in his testimony does he claim his daughter goes to Sandy Hook?
 
2013-02-08 02:33:57 PM  

occamswrist: Unfortunately the conservative sites are 90% shiat anyways so you always have to keep your head about you.


Point taken
 
2013-02-08 02:38:42 PM  

LavenderWolf: Frank N Stein: occamswrist: screwzloos: Even before reading the article, I didn't get any impression from watching the video that this guy's daughter attended Sandy Hook. He didn't even mention the place until he was talking about someone else. Yes, his daughter was on lock-down. The entire state of Connecticut was that day.

Why is there so much confusion and anger about this?

The fark tag says "dumbass" so many farkers just kind of assume he is a dumbass conservative who lied on purpose.

Now as for his "liberal media" comment he should have provided evidence the liberally minded media screwed this up and not all media. The slate article points out many conservative sites that farked it up. Now he sounds like a political hack.

Whatever. Fark would be cheering him if he decried the conservative media. No need to feel defensive. There's plenty of echo chamber threads on this site that you might prefer.

Every ideology has echo chambers.

The smart folk in this thread read the article and realized he didn't lie, it was all just blown out of proportion. His opinion is irrelevant, but was given false relevance.


If you agreed with him I'm sure you'd say his opinion was relevant or at the very least you wouldn't claim its irrelevant.
 
2013-02-08 02:40:12 PM  
Rosa Parks was a liberal plant! Roe has spoken out against legalized abortion!
 
2013-02-08 02:47:58 PM  

Ablejack: Rosa Parks was a liberal plant! Roe has spoken out against legalized abortion!


A 16 year old unmarried pregnant black girl refused to give up her seat on a bus shortly before the Rosa Parks incident but that case was not given publicity because it didn't look good.

I think I read this in "A people's history of the U.S." A great book and I highly recommend it.

It is very left wing and gives a different perspective on us history from what we learned in school.
 
2013-02-08 02:56:41 PM  

BlindRaise: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: You're an idiot.

/if you post the nbc clip, note the disclaimer at the beginning

Your sources are outdated. Federal Investigations, coroner reports, etc. have proven that no assault-rifle style weapon was used, that the murder weapons were pistols. This has been known since January but not publicized because it does not fit with the anti-gun narrative. Please get up to speed and put down the koolaid before hurling insults.


Feel free to share your sources.
 
2013-02-08 03:02:30 PM  
FFS IT WAS NOT THE "MEDIA" THAT MISREPORTED THIS.

IT WAS THE RIGHT WING ECHO MACHINE.

They ran with an easily vetted youtube piece and didn't think twice about verifying it because it fit their narrative. That is what I am seeing as the difference between "liberals" and "conservatives". Liberals think life is like a fluid body of water and try to make informed decisions with at least a nod to the other opinions, conservatives have a book that spells out the end so everything must be in a certain order. They need things to fit their narrative because when the narrative drops, so does their control and their ability to keep it together. The narrative is their life, it brings them power, and they have to uphold that at all costs, even the cost of just being honest.
 
2013-02-08 03:15:28 PM  
Well then, that changes everything! Instead of being some anonymous father whose daughter happens to go to a certain school, he's an anonymous father whose daughter goes to a different school a little ways away. That certainly changes my views on gun control! I can't believe how misguided I was before! Damn you, anonymous father whose daughter goes to the wrong school! Damn you to hell!!
 
2013-02-08 03:19:38 PM  
Did the cops ever produce how he entered the school?
Any video of the shooter at the school?
Was the dead shooter shown to press?
Any bodies shown to reporters to verify shootings?

Need this or it didn't happen.
 
2013-02-08 03:20:38 PM  
Uh, he is a resident of Sandy Hook and he is a father.

Pretty sure that qualifies as a "Sandy Hook father". He did not claim to have any children currently attending SHES. Listening to his whole statement, "surviving" is used on the communal context, "we all lived through this".

But keep grasping for straws!
 
2013-02-08 03:25:54 PM  

gadian: Shryke: To all you dolts insisting he lied, try reading the farking article.

I'm more than willing to bet the farm that he was intentionally "ambiguous".  He knew what people would think and yet he has plausible deniability.


So it's a thought crime then?
 
2013-02-08 03:26:38 PM  

Circusdog320: monos


Circusdog320: monoski: FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?

Libs just do phony charities and steal the money for themselves

So everybody does it...that's your rebuttal. Obviously you're ok with the lie and cheat part...got it!


No I am not okay with either I think pretty much everybody who speaks out on these tragic is a scumbag attention whore.
 
2013-02-08 03:29:17 PM  

Nightsweat: A gun freak lying? Color me shocked.


You (and others) seem to have missed the part where the article explains the confusion was not caused by the speaker, who has been clear from the start - that his daughter was in lock-down at her school one mile from the shootings.  In fact, he's gone out of his way to notify the incompetent media who inaccurately termed him a 'Sandy Hook Father'.
 
2013-02-08 03:30:11 PM  

kellyclan: Uh, he is a resident of Sandy Hook and he is a father.

Pretty sure that qualifies as a "Sandy Hook father". He did not claim to have any children currently attending SHES. Listening to his whole statement, "surviving" is used on the communal context, "we all lived through this".

But keep grasping for straws!


You're confusing the name of the school with the name of the town, spectacularly.

And the right wing "press" made the claims, not the father or the left.
 
2013-02-08 03:30:56 PM  

ALC59: Old story, the media said his kid went there he didn't, you people only read what you want
Obamas kids don't go there and yet he uses Sandy Hook for his own personal/political agenda, but no one else is allowed
Where did he find the black kid, all the pictures i've seen of sandy hook were of only white kids
just like the super bowl, had to throw Keys in the mix just for some color


[i.imgur.com image 371x500]


As someone who lost most of my family and history in the holocaust, I think I'm qualified to say that anyone who would make any kind of a comparison between Hitler and Obama for the sake of this political pissing match has MUCH more in common with the ideals and the character of Adolph Hitler and the Nazi Party than those you accuse.

/tagged "neo-nazi asshole"

//DIAF, DIAF today you worthless POS
 
2013-02-08 03:43:08 PM  

udhq: ALC59: Old story, the media said his kid went there he didn't, you people only read what you want
Obamas kids don't go there and yet he uses Sandy Hook for his own personal/political agenda, but no one else is allowed
Where did he find the black kid, all the pictures i've seen of sandy hook were of only white kids
just like the super bowl, had to throw Keys in the mix just for some color


[i.imgur.com image 371x500]

As someone who lost most of my family and history in the holocaust, I think I'm qualified to say that anyone who would make any kind of a comparison between Hitler and Obama for the sake of this political pissing match has MUCH more in common with the ideals and the character of Adolph Hitler and the Nazi Party than those you accuse.

/tagged "neo-nazi asshole"

//DIAF, DIAF today you worthless POS


How so?
 
2013-02-08 03:46:32 PM  

Frank N Stein: udhq: ALC59: Old story, the media said his kid went there he didn't, you people only read what you want
Obamas kids don't go there and yet he uses Sandy Hook for his own personal/political agenda, but no one else is allowed
Where did he find the black kid, all the pictures i've seen of sandy hook were of only white kids
just like the super bowl, had to throw Keys in the mix just for some color


[i.imgur.com image 371x500]

As someone who lost most of my family and history in the holocaust, I think I'm qualified to say that anyone who would make any kind of a comparison between Hitler and Obama for the sake of this political pissing match has MUCH more in common with the ideals and the character of Adolph Hitler and the Nazi Party than those you accuse.

/tagged "neo-nazi asshole"

//DIAF, DIAF today you worthless POS

How so?


You know what, I take that back. I was going to make a stupid comment about your family's history doesn't make you an expert at blah blah blah but it would have been insensitive and assholish so I apologize.
 
2013-02-08 03:51:16 PM  
While we're on the subject of gun control, if you need a 15 round magazine to protect your home as opposed to a 10 round one, shouldn't you be more worried about your marksmanship?
 
2013-02-08 03:54:01 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?

Given that the only reason people listened to him was he let people think he had a child in Sandy Hook Elementary it's a pretty huge deal. If that was unimportant why didn't he set the record straight immediately?

Oh right he's someone you agree with so he is beyond criticism.



He never claimed to be a Sandy Hook parent and actually refuted it on several occasions.Unfortunately the media was already in full WHARRGARBL mode, so no one bothered to listen.
 
2013-02-08 04:12:17 PM  
Guys he didn't "lie." He only "deceived."

It matters, for reasons...
 
2013-02-08 04:12:56 PM  

zarberg: While we're on the subject of gun control, if you need a 15 round magazine to protect your home as opposed to a 10 round one, shouldn't you be more worried about your marksmanship?


Shut the fark up.
 
2013-02-08 04:14:37 PM  
Also, please remember, it's the Liberals who make knee jerk decisions based on emotional appeal.

Don't forget that.
 
2013-02-08 04:19:41 PM  

zarberg: While we're on the subject of gun control, if you need a 15 round magazine to protect your home as opposed to a 10 round one, shouldn't you be more worried about your marksmanship?


No. Next question.
 
2013-02-08 04:22:43 PM  

Deep Contact: Did the cops ever produce how he entered the school?
Any video of the shooter at the school?
Was the dead shooter shown to press?
Any bodies shown to reporters to verify shootings?

Need this or it didn't happen.


4/10. good job, good effort.

/cops don't pull reporters over to the bodies to prove that murders actually happened. anywhere. ever.
 
2013-02-08 04:23:44 PM  

gadian: Shryke: To all you dolts insisting he lied, try reading the farking article.

I'm more than willing to bet the farm that he was intentionally "ambiguous".  He knew what people would think and yet he has plausible deniability.


I live in Georgia about 4 miles from where a home invasion happened where a woman, home alone with her kids, shot the intruder 5 times. It was national news, you might have heard about it. You had better believe I've been double-checking my locks and getting my wife some practice time at the range.

But, then again, I wasn't actually IN the house where the home invasion happened, and it wasn't MY wife and kids who were in danger, so I wasn't really affected by it in any way. It's not like it hit too close to home or anything.
 
2013-02-08 04:27:02 PM  
jigger

studebaker hoch: NEWSFLASH: People lie./pretty much constantly.

Hmm, maybe just maybe the people who reported his being a "Sandy Hook Father" misunderstood him and assumed, yet did not lie? Sometimes people can be honestly wrong, even people you distrust.


The best liars never actually lie.

"We never said that".

/ Life is trying to beat seven billion people at their own game.
 
2013-02-08 04:27:18 PM  

justtray: Guys he didn't "lie." He only "deceived."

It matters, for reasons...


I suppose if one's retarded, his speech could have deceived.
 
2013-02-08 04:31:12 PM  

Frank N Stein: justtray: Guys he didn't "lie." He only "deceived."

It matters, for reasons...

I suppose if one's retarded, his speech could have deceived.


Coming from someone who has me tagged as being a liar, I find that quite ironic. How do you manage to handle that cognitive dissonance?
 
2013-02-08 04:33:33 PM  
Let's be clear about this; Bill Stevens didn't lie in his testimony.

Breitbart, Townhall, and the rest of the right-wingnut blogosphere did.

That is all.
 
2013-02-08 04:34:19 PM  

justtray: Frank N Stein: justtray: Guys he didn't "lie." He only "deceived."

It matters, for reasons...

I suppose if one's retarded, his speech could have deceived.

Coming from someone who has me tagged as being a liar, I find that quite ironic. How do you manage to handle that cognitive dissonance?


I don't have you tagged as being a liar.
 
2013-02-08 04:36:04 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Let's be clear about this; Bill Stevens didn't lie in his testimony.

Breitbart, Townhall, and the rest of the right-wingnut blogosphere did.

That is all.


This is true. These people, I suppose you pin them as being on "my side", were chomping at the bit to get a pro-gun person who was close to the Sandy Hook shooting. Either by willful lying or terrible oversight, they marked this guy as their man.
 
2013-02-08 04:41:39 PM  

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


You imply that "liberals" never lie and cheat to win. If you believe that, I have a nice piece of land I'd like you to take a look at. It's a bargain. Really. Super good deal.
 
2013-02-08 04:44:57 PM  

SurelyShirley: ALC59:
[i.imgur.com image 371x500]

When did Hitler ban firearms? I'm sure, you can cite a historical document, and not just NRA propaganda, right?


He can't. Because it's a lie.

On the other hand, I can verify that Hitler only banned firearms in the hands of the perceived enemies of the Nazi party, such as Jews and Communists, at the same time he was enacting other laws to deny them basically ALL fundamental rights as German citizens.

He actually repealed Weimar law that prohibited general gun ownership.

Peer review, biatches:

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf
 
2013-02-08 04:49:24 PM  

Frank N Stein: justtray: Frank N Stein: justtray: Guys he didn't "lie." He only "deceived."

It matters, for reasons...

I suppose if one's retarded, his speech could have deceived.

Coming from someone who has me tagged as being a liar, I find that quite ironic. How do you manage to handle that cognitive dissonance?

I don't have you tagged as being a liar.


I retract my statement then. I know you have me tagged as a derogitory homosexual term, however, since you were so willing to share it. I guess I assumed it was being used as an acronym for liar.
 
2013-02-08 04:55:34 PM  

gadian: Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that he wasn't a Sandy Hook father doesn't negate what he said.

Yeah, it does.  He was making an appeal to an emotion to which he has no real connection.  It is essentially a lie in this context.


Watch the video of the guy's testimony before speaking of context.
 
2013-02-08 05:00:20 PM  

eggrolls: SurelyShirley: ALC59:
[i.imgur.com image 371x500]

When did Hitler ban firearms? I'm sure, you can cite a historical document, and not just NRA propaganda, right?

He can't. Because it's a lie.

On the other hand, I can verify that Hitler only banned firearms in the hands of the perceived enemies of the Nazi party, such as Jews and Communists, at the same time he was enacting other laws to deny them basically ALL fundamental rights as German citizens.

He actually repealed Weimar law that prohibited general gun ownership.

Peer review, biatches:

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf


Hey, man.  Don't let facts and reality in get in the way of what we know feels right.
 
2013-02-08 05:01:05 PM  

over_and_done: Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Agreed. The next time some fruitloop goes off and start hosing down people with an automatic weapon, I sincerely hope this jackass takes a bullet. Or maybe he lives and somebody close to his heart takes a bullet. See how ACTUAL grief feels, farkhead.


I'd like you to provide a single citation of a fully automatic weapon used in a massacre in the last 20, 30, or hell, 50 years. You can't.
 
2013-02-08 05:03:45 PM  

tgambitg: over_and_done: Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Agreed. The next time some fruitloop goes off and start hosing down people with an automatic weapon, I sincerely hope this jackass takes a bullet. Or maybe he lives and somebody close to his heart takes a bullet. See how ACTUAL grief feels, farkhead.

I'd like you to provide a single citation of a fully automatic weapon used in a massacre in the last 20, 30, or hell, 50 years. You can't.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre
 
2013-02-08 05:09:58 PM  

stampylives: tgambitg: over_and_done: Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Agreed. The next time some fruitloop goes off and start hosing down people with an automatic weapon, I sincerely hope this jackass takes a bullet. Or maybe he lives and somebody close to his heart takes a bullet. See how ACTUAL grief feels, farkhead.

I'd like you to provide a single citation of a fully automatic weapon used in a massacre in the last 20, 30, or hell, 50 years. You can't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre


Let's get a little more current:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

The only fatalities were the shooters, but not for want of trying on their part.
 
2013-02-08 05:12:18 PM  

eggrolls: stampylives: tgambitg: over_and_done: Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Agreed. The next time some fruitloop goes off and start hosing down people with an automatic weapon, I sincerely hope this jackass takes a bullet. Or maybe he lives and somebody close to his heart takes a bullet. See how ACTUAL grief feels, farkhead.

I'd like you to provide a single citation of a fully automatic weapon used in a massacre in the last 20, 30, or hell, 50 years. You can't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

Let's get a little more current:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

The only fatalities were the shooters, but not for want of trying on their part.


Kinda hard to call that a "massacre" though.
 
2013-02-08 05:16:35 PM  
He never said he was.  He's from the town and has a daughter of similar age.

A bunch of butt hurt liberals trying to make something out of nothing to further their anti-gun agenda.
 
2013-02-08 05:20:48 PM  
I think at this point we are all Sandy Hook fathers, brothers, mothers and sisters.


/Not really
//Anyone want to go target shooting?
 
2013-02-08 05:25:15 PM  

Phony_Soldier: I think at this point we are all Sandy Hook fathers, brothers, mothers and sisters.


/Not really
//Anyone want to go target shooting?


I broke the dam.
 
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