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(Slate)   You know that "Sandy Hook father" who spoke so eloquently on behalf of gun rights and vowed that the government would take his right to protect his daughter from his "cold, dead hands?" Yup, he's not a Sandy Hook father   (slate.com) divider line 217
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2013-02-08 12:33:49 PM  

Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Now, having said that. Good luck with the high cap mag ban.


In all fairness to the man, I don't think he was trying to lie. He's clearly unaware that, by presenting himself as affected by the Sandy Hook tragedy, he's basically lying, but he did actually try to clear up the technical lie, and I'd imagine he's just one of those people who really are farking oblivious to social situations.

That said, the rest of us have every right to take it as lying and ignore him. It just wasn't malicious or intentional. Sometimes people are stupid.
 
2013-02-08 12:36:49 PM  
So why not get someone to promote their narrative whose kid actually went to Sandy Hook?
 
2013-02-08 12:41:39 PM  

ManateeGag: and I was just joking the other day when I said he was an actor.


Plate o shrimp. My brother posted that clip and I replied that he's clearly an actor.
 
2013-02-08 12:44:01 PM  

Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.


Agreed. The next time some fruitloop goes off and start hosing down people with an automatic weapon, I sincerely hope this jackass takes a bullet. Or maybe he lives and somebody close to his heart takes a bullet. See how ACTUAL grief feels, farkhead.
 
2013-02-08 12:50:33 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?

Given that the only reason people listened to him was he let people think he had a child in Sandy Hook Elementary it's a pretty huge deal. If that was unimportant why didn't he set the record straight immediately?

Oh right he's someone you agree with so he is beyond criticism.


i'm not saying i agree or disagree with what he's saying.  but really, did he ever say he had a kid there?  people jumped to the wrong conclusions.
and IT'S A YOUTUBE VIDEO, GET OVER IT.

i, for one, do not get my information from youtube.  i get my entertainment there.  so if something on youtube is incorrect, i am 100% not surprised.
 
2013-02-08 12:51:20 PM  

CheekyMonkey: iheartscotch: I guess you guys can't read good or something. This guy made A statement. Some idiot tagged it sandy hook. Some reporter didn't fact check and published it. And this guy had the moxy to make an additional statement to clear up the confusion.

/ why is this guy a horrible person? Did he pee in your cereal or something?

I wonder if Drew can mod Fark to track which posters actually clicked on the link prior to posting, and tag non-clicking posters with "Uninformed Idiot" or something similar.


Considering that the links to the articles are actually tracking URLs (they all go to a script on FARK with a URL rewrite parameter that specifies the destination URL to redirect to ["...fark.com/goto/{article#}/{destURL}"]), yes, Drew or his code minions could easily do that. They already at the very least count the clicks, and it would be quite easy to, at least for users who are already logged in at the time of the click [IP and/or cookie tracking might provide a way to do this for users who don't log in until they intend to post a Reply], log when they clicked it. Any posts made by that user in that same thread before the click could be flagged accordingly.

How about a "DNRTFA" tag graphic (same height and ½ the width of the "img.fark.net" graphic, thus about 37×11 pixels) that appears just before the "Smart" button, attached to the individual posts, not the poster? That way, if a person comments, then reads TFA, then comments again, you can tell which comments were posted prior to clicking the article link.

Of course, if a person read the article on their own before finding it on FARK (as I did, having seen it on Slate before seeing this thread on FARK), their posts could be unjustly tagged. And, a person could easily right- or middle-click the link (opening it in a new tab and thus activating the FARK "goto" script without the browser switching to that new tab), then read the FARK thread and even comment on it, and not actually read the article in the other tab until later. Such a system would have no way of detecting that.
 
2013-02-08 12:56:30 PM  
I bet Drew would get credit for a lot more clicks if a Farker thought he would be tagged as a belligerent dumbass for not reading the article before commenting.
 
2013-02-08 01:03:20 PM  

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


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They learned it by watching YOU, liberals.
 
2013-02-08 01:09:13 PM  
Saw the clip then read it in a magazine. What difference does it make?
 
2013-02-08 01:10:06 PM  
If this guy -- in the time between lanza showing up on school property and beginning to shoot -- managed to dash out of work, get home, arm himself, get to the school, and kill or incapacitate Adam Lanza -- well, then he would have a pretty good point.  Seeing as two already-armed and on-scene security guards at Columbine were unable to accomplish this, its pretty doubtful.  Also, basic common sense points to this being extremely unlikely too, but ... god forbid that gets in the way.

This guy is directly to defending his right to own a gun while something bad happens, in favor of not owning a gun while same bad thing happens.  He is defending that right from people who aren't trying to take away that right, and really just want to close some loopholes that let any asshole buy a gun without so much as showing an ID.

His daughter doesn't matter. His credibility doesn't matter.  A stupid argument is a stupid argument no matter who makes it.
 
2013-02-08 01:10:30 PM  
Is this the same dude who was laughing right before he thought the cameras were rolling then got all misty eyed and choked up when he got to the podium?

/DNRTFA
//DNRTFC
///IFTHEVCFINDOUTTHEVPISICTHENTHEVPCOULDGOMIAANDWEDALLHAVEKP
 
2013-02-08 01:12:06 PM  

PsiChick: Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Now, having said that. Good luck with the high cap mag ban.

In all fairness to the man, I don't think he was trying to lie. He's clearly unaware that, by presenting himself as affected by the Sandy Hook tragedy, he's basically lying, but he did actually try to clear up the technical lie, and I'd imagine he's just one of those people who really are farking oblivious to social situations.

That said, the rest of us have every right to take it as lying and ignore him. It just wasn't malicious or intentional. Sometimes people are stupid.


Dude's got a little girl who went to school right down the road from Sandy Hook.  If he says it affected him, I'm inclined to believe it.  Who put you in charge of validating other people's emotions?

Are you going to tell me that because I live in NJ, not NYC, and only one person who lived in my condo complex died when the Twin Towers came down, that 9/11 did not affect me?  Bull-farking-shiat.
 
2013-02-08 01:18:58 PM  

iheartscotch: CheekyMonkey: iheartscotch: I guess you guys can't read good or something. This guy made A statement. Some idiot tagged it sandy hook. Some reporter didn't fact check and published it. And this guy had the moxy to make an additional statement to clear up the confusion.

/ why is this guy a horrible person? Did he pee in your cereal or something?

I wonder if Drew can mod Fark to track which posters actually clicked on the link prior to posting, and tag non-clicking posters with "Uninformed Idiot" or something similar.

The guy's only error was using "Unlike the LIberal media" in his correction email.  That shows him as a partisan douchebag, and makes me want to give him a good cockpunch.

/also, "moxie"

The liberal media thing? Yeah. Even if it's true; you would seem crass, at the very least, saying it.

As to the moxy vs. moxie; google goes both ways. Moxie is not only a word, but it's a soft drink and a band. Google says moxy is a word and a band.

/ who knows which way is right; sure as hell I don't


Google isn't a dictionary.  If you look up 'moxy' in one, you won't find it.  Except for UrbanDictionary, and I'm not sure that counts ;-)
 
2013-02-08 01:19:27 PM  
You know the "assault rifles" every mainstream media outlet reported as the murder weapons in the sandy hook shooting? Yup, those were not assault weapons they were pistols.
 
2013-02-08 01:19:42 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?

That's typically how lying works, yeah.


What did he lie about?
 
2013-02-08 01:20:26 PM  

BlindRaise: You know the "assault rifles" every mainstream media outlet reported as the murder weapons in the sandy hook shooting? Yup, those were not assault weapons they were pistols.


Are pistols incapable of being used in an assault?
 
2013-02-08 01:20:58 PM  

CheekyMonkey: PsiChick: Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Now, having said that. Good luck with the high cap mag ban.

In all fairness to the man, I don't think he was trying to lie. He's clearly unaware that, by presenting himself as affected by the Sandy Hook tragedy, he's basically lying, but he did actually try to clear up the technical lie, and I'd imagine he's just one of those people who really are farking oblivious to social situations.

That said, the rest of us have every right to take it as lying and ignore him. It just wasn't malicious or intentional. Sometimes people are stupid.

Dude's got a little girl who went to school right down the road from Sandy Hook.  If he says it affected him, I'm inclined to believe it.  Who put you in charge of validating other people's emotions?

Are you going to tell me that because I live in NJ, not NYC, and only one person who lived in my condo complex died when the Twin Towers came down, that 9/11 did not affect me?  Bull-farking-shiat.


No, I'm saying that people expect that, if you publicly cite a tragedy, you were a) directly related to the event, or b) do not invoke it while making a political statement (or find a way to draw a clear line). Because he did not complete either of b, most people take it as a lie, because it's expected that you already know this rule.

Of course, this guy clearly didn't, which is why I said it was accidental. But that doesn't mean he didn't end up lying, just that it was unintentional.
 
2013-02-08 01:24:40 PM  
So his daughter wasn't there, but he knows someone (daughter), who knows someone (daughters friend), who knows someone (daughters friends sister) that was killed?

I bet he doesn't even have a daughter
 
2013-02-08 01:30:38 PM  
But Mark Mattiolis testimony still stands and he is still a father of one of the victims right?
 
2013-02-08 01:31:27 PM  

jigger: Are pistols incapable of being used in an assault?


A pudding pop can be used in an assault but that doesn't make it an assault weapon. Thanks for playing semantics and failing, meanwhile ignoring the entire point of my original comment, seems about par for the course for liberal arguments around here.
 
2013-02-08 01:31:35 PM  

Gilligann: So his daughter wasn't there, but he knows someone (daughter), who knows someone (daughters friend), who knows someone (daughters friends sister) that was killed?

I bet he doesn't even have a daughter


It's a stretch, but I could see being upset and feeling like I lost a kid (I don't have kids) if that friend and her sister were regular fixtures at my house ie., sleepovers, etc.  Not saying that's the case here, just that it's one way that might justify his position the way he framed it.

If your kid was good friends with a classmate and that classmate's sister, how would you feel if the sister were to be killed?
 
2013-02-08 01:32:34 PM  
NEWSFLASH:  People lie.

/pretty much constantly.
 
2013-02-08 01:32:40 PM  

Giltric: But Mark Mattiolis testimony still stands and he is still a father of one of the victims right?


No, he didn't engage in the proper narrative, so his testimony is invalid on the ground that his emotions clouded his judgement.
 
2013-02-08 01:33:13 PM  
People on the internet are wrong about stuff? Shocking.
 
2013-02-08 01:33:48 PM  
He testifies with some deliberately non-specific wording to draw people in to believing that his kid was at ground zero, and yes it is plainly obvious that he wrote and practiced that speech.  He may have even practiced the stamping out of the room closer... it was pretty flawlessly executed.  He was selected to give that speech because he's a good orator, and people could believe that his vague story meant "my kid was at Sandy Hook and I don't give a sh*t about doing anything in response to this, protect my FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOOM!"  *Mic Drop*

But his kid wasn't there, so party foul on his part.  However, it was picked up like a parade banner and charged through the right-wing blogosphere, lighting up facebook feeds nationwide.  Par for the course for bloggers in general; there is no professional ethics or standards in that industry whatsoever.

But then, and here's the kicker for me: he blames the LIBERAL media.  If TownHall and Breitbart are too "liberal" for you, sir, I think you need to invest in some walls and a moat for your Sandy Hook-area residence.

So what do I see as the problem?  That this is just echo-chamber effects; he obviously listens religiously to or reads conservative media, otherwise why would he even think to disparage the "liberal media" as his first stroke?  His minor deception and the fact that it was trumpeted by that conservative media is yet another example of them saying "a little lie does nothing to our credibility, as long as the conclusion agrees with our pre-established opinion."

No the right-wingers don't have a monopoly on this, but since the right wing is fed from a monopolistic news source their echo chamber is much more focused and disciplined.  I mean, who actually watches MSNBC?
 
2013-02-08 01:34:27 PM  

Trapper439: If you lie through your teeth about having lost a child in a tragic event then you are an asshole.

I could claim that my unborn daughter was being anally raped in uteroby Mohamed Atta even at the very moment the plane he was flying was crashing  into the WTC.

That sounds unreasonable and in poor taste, doesn't it?

And yet some of you farkers are defending this lying scumbag piece of shiat.


Well, to be fair, some of us did actually read the article.
 
2013-02-08 01:38:53 PM  
I love the link displayed throughout the video, that says "every American needs to think like this man!"
Really, you want to tell me how I need to think? I'm glad we have the 2nd amendment to protect me from your kind.
 
2013-02-08 01:39:28 PM  

BlindRaise: jigger: Are pistols incapable of being used in an assault?

A pudding pop can be used in an assault but that doesn't make it an assault weapon. Thanks for playing semantics and failing, meanwhile ignoring the entire point of my original comment, seems about par for the course for liberal arguments around here.


O_o

Assault puddin pop?

I think that may be a Christian metal band.

/ yes, Christian metal is a thing. A very angry thing.
 
2013-02-08 01:39:55 PM  

BlindRaise: A pudding pop can be used in an assault but that doesn't make it an assault weapon.


If it was used as a weapon in an assault, you bet your ass it was an assault weapon.

BlindRaise: Thanks for playing semantics and failing, meanwhile ignoring the entire point of my original comment, seems about par for the course for liberal arguments around here.


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2013-02-08 01:41:48 PM  

studebaker hoch: NEWSFLASH:  People lie.

/pretty much constantly.


Hmm, maybe just maybe the people who reported his being a "Sandy Hook Father" misunderstood him and assumed, yet did not lie? Sometimes people can be honestly wrong, even people you distrust.
 
2013-02-08 01:45:26 PM  

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


I've only been partially paying attention to this story, but I thought there was a Sandy Hook Truther movement of some liberal guys portraying themselves as on the gun control side then they got outed.

Wasn't really paying attention so I'm probably mistaken again.
 
2013-02-08 01:47:03 PM  

hdhale: Circusdog320: monoski: FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?

Libs just do phony charities and steal the money for themselves

So everybody does it...that's your rebuttal. Obviously you're ok with the lie and cheat part...got it!

How about this...

You are harder on Conservatives than Liberals, not just because they claim the mantle of righteousness and wear it a little too proudly, but because it is EARNED.

This whole line got started because someone made a false generalization about Conservatives as all being liars.  The vast majority of social and political Conservatives are not hypocrites.  However, when you catch one being a hypocrite, in the Liberal's mind, that's grounds for condemning them all.  Bullshiat.  It's something you do to make yourselves feel better about liking the smell of cooking red meat, finding almost childlike joy in shooting a firearm, or secretly wanting to rev up a really fast, gas guzzling sports car and blast down the freeway like a rocket.  It is Liberals who are by in large, hypocrites, not Conservatives.  It is Liberals who need to get the stick out of their ass, not Conservatives.



Just one of the many, many reasons nobody takes your stupid ass seriously.
 
2013-02-08 01:47:45 PM  

BlindRaise: You know the "assault rifles" every mainstream media outlet reported as the murder weapons in the sandy hook shooting? Yup, those were not assault weapons they were pistols.


You're an idiot.

/if you post the nbc clip, note the disclaimer at the beginning
 
2013-02-08 01:48:56 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: BlindRaise: You know the "assault rifles" every mainstream media outlet reported as the murder weapons in the sandy hook shooting? Yup, those were not assault weapons they were pistols.

You're an idiot.

/if you post the nbc clip, note the disclaimer at the beginning


First of all, they're call NBC magazines, not NBC clips.  Gosh!

/amidoinitrite?
 
2013-02-08 01:49:00 PM  

BlindRaise: You know the "assault rifles" every mainstream media outlet reported as the murder weapons in the sandy hook shooting? Yup, those were not assault weapons they were pistols.


See, there's one of the problems... this guy is deceptive in his address which undermines his credibility.  So when he makes points like "we're looking to enact laws and bans based on the events here, even before the official reports are released in June" I then am left wondering "is he lying about this, too" instead of "good point; cooler heads should prevail."  What other facts is the guy bending?

Columnists in slanted publications use this trick all the time, sneaking in a whopper (this guy's wasn't a whopper) of a group-think falsehood that appeals to the targeted readers' preconceptions and then going into their actual point.  The lie is for the most part unnecessary because those that already agree zip right past it, and those that don't agree will get completely flummoxed by it and stop reading.

This practice serves only to promote a false narrative among supporters, since the unconverted won't get to the meat of the story.
 
2013-02-08 01:49:45 PM  
Old story, the media said his kid went there he didn't, you people only read what you want
Obamas kids don't go there and yet he uses Sandy Hook for his own personal/political agenda, but no one else is allowed
Where did he find the black kid, all the pictures i've seen of sandy hook were of only white kids
just like the super bowl, had to throw Keys in the mix just for some color


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-08 01:50:02 PM  

jigger: If it was used as a weapon in an assault, you bet your ass it was an assault weapon.


You're right man, you win. For clarification I would like to edit my original comment from:

You know the "assault rifles" every mainstream media outlet reported as the murder weapons in the sandy hook shooting? Yup, those were not assault weapons they were pistols.

TO:

You know the "assault rifles" every mainstream media outlet reported as the murder weapons in the sandy hook shooting? Yup, those were not assault RIFLES they were pistols.
 
2013-02-08 01:56:14 PM  
I kinda feel sorry for Obama. Here he is trying to make the country a better place, and he has to contend with 30 years of deliberate republican herpaderp that has turned an entire generation into a mob of yowling, ugly, near-violent fatasses who worship stupidity and loathe science itself. Even the people of the 70's would facepalm at us in their polyester leisure suits and bell-bottom jeans.
 
2013-02-08 01:57:32 PM  

vernonFL: Why can't the liberal media get its facts straight?


Brought that into reality for you. The quality of media overall is abysmal in their reporting of facts.
 
2013-02-08 01:58:45 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: You're an idiot.

/if you post the nbc clip, note the disclaimer at the beginning


Your sources are outdated. Federal Investigations, coroner reports, etc. have proven that no assault-rifle style weapon was used, that the murder weapons were pistols. This has been known since January but not publicized because it does not fit with the anti-gun narrative. Please get up to speed and put down the koolaid before hurling insults.
 
2013-02-08 01:59:29 PM  

BlindRaise: they were pistols.


No.

Before you post your NBC clip note the disclaimer at the beginning and the fact that it is from less than 24 hrs after the shooting.
 
2013-02-08 02:00:27 PM  

BlindRaise: the murder weapons were pistols.


Cite.
 
2013-02-08 02:01:40 PM  

TV's Vinnie: I kinda feel sorry for Obama. Here he is trying to make the country a better place, and he has to contend with 30 years of deliberate republican herpaderp that has turned an entire generation into a mob of yowling, ugly, near-violent fatasses who worship stupidity and loathe science itself. Even the people of the 70's would facepalm at us in their polyester leisure suits and bell-bottom jeans.


Aw shucks golly gee. Poor ol' Obama just trying to do good and is being held back by the man
 
2013-02-08 02:01:50 PM  

ALC59: Old story, the media said his kid went there he didn't, you people only read what you want
Obamas kids don't go there and yet he uses Sandy Hook for his own personal/political agenda, but no one else is allowed
Where did he find the black kid, all the pictures i've seen of sandy hook were of only white kids
just like the super bowl, had to throw Keys in the mix just for some color


[i.imgur.com image 371x500]


Hitler was also a Muslim.  Study it out!
 
2013-02-08 02:02:13 PM  

talulahgosh: Crotchrocket Slim: talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?

Given that the only reason people listened to him was he let people think he had a child in Sandy Hook Elementary it's a pretty huge deal. If that was unimportant why didn't he set the record straight immediately?

Oh right he's someone you agree with so he is beyond criticism.

i'm not saying i agree or disagree with what he's saying.  but really, did he ever say he had a kid there?  people jumped to the wrong conclusions.
and IT'S A YOUTUBE VIDEO, GET OVER IT.

i, for one, do not get my information from youtube.  i get my entertainment there.  so if something on youtube is incorrect, i am 100% not surprised.


Honestly I don't really care one way or another but I'm not going to pretend others don't and were swayed by his omission.

There's been way to much pathos regarding firearm legislation from either side, though right now I feel the need to flame the side wanting to kill the conversation completely.
 
2013-02-08 02:05:19 PM  
Even before reading the article, I didn't get any impression from watching the video that this guy's daughter attended Sandy Hook. He didn't even mention the place until he was talking about someone else. Yes, his daughter was on lock-down. The entire state of Connecticut was that day.

Why is there so much confusion and anger about this?
 
2013-02-08 02:07:04 PM  

Rapmaster2000: ALC59: Old story, the media said his kid went there he didn't, you people only read what you want
Obamas kids don't go there and yet he uses Sandy Hook for his own personal/political agenda, but no one else is allowed
Where did he find the black kid, all the pictures i've seen of sandy hook were of only white kids
just like the super bowl, had to throw Keys in the mix just for some color


[i.imgur.com image 371x500]

Hitler was also a Muslim.  Study it out!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rrjU-HBkmLE
 
2013-02-08 02:10:34 PM  

screwzloos: Even before reading the article, I didn't get any impression from watching the video that this guy's daughter attended Sandy Hook. He didn't even mention the place until he was talking about someone else. Yes, his daughter was on lock-down. The entire state of Connecticut was that day.

Why is there so much confusion and anger about this?


I didn't rtfa at first. I then made the cardinal sin of thinking a Fark headline wasn't full of shiat.

But once I realized my mistake I remember watching this guy speak the day he did. I watched a lot of testimonials from thy CT townhall that day. Almost everyone was overwhelmingly pro 2A
Meanwhile, we keep getting these manufactured controversies from the event, such as this one or the sandy hook father being supposedly being heckled. It's all patently rediculous, and I'm pretty sure those on this sight that lament the "manufactured GOP outrages" also willingly hop on board this stupid train of fauxtroversies
 
2013-02-08 02:11:55 PM  

Trapper439: If you lie through your teeth about having lost a child in a tragic event then you are an asshole.

I could claim that my unborn daughter was being anally raped in uteroby Mohamed Atta even at the very moment the plane he was flying was crashing  into the WTC.

That sounds unreasonable and in poor taste, doesn't it?

And yet some of you farkers are defending this lying scumbag piece of shiat.



And here you have the subtle, but devastatingly effective "I'm pretending I didn't read the thread - this is your chance to land a broadside" troll.

6/10 definitely.
 
2013-02-08 02:14:11 PM  

screwzloos: Why is there so much confusion and anger about this?


"On Sunday, roughly a week after Stevens spoke at the hearing and the same day the clip in question was posted, the Examiner reported matter-of-factly that Stevens' daughter, Victoria, "attended Sandy Hook Elementary school, scene of the mass shooting in December." The following day, Brietbart.com stated plainly that she had "survived the crime at Sandy Hook." On Tuesday, the Daily Caller did the same, explaining that she had "survived the tragic Sandy Hook Elementary shooting." We heard a similar story from Townhall.com, as well as from a spate of other conservative sites."

/not confused or angry
 
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