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(Slate)   You know that "Sandy Hook father" who spoke so eloquently on behalf of gun rights and vowed that the government would take his right to protect his daughter from his "cold, dead hands?" Yup, he's not a Sandy Hook father   (slate.com) divider line 217
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2013-02-08 11:08:42 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that he wasn't a Sandy Hook father doesn't negate what he said.  I have always thought that it was a bad idea to make policy based on the emotions of a victim of a crime.  Policy should come from reasoned thought and debate.  Just like I don't want the families of murder victims to control death penalty policy, neither do I want the families of Sandy Hook victims to dictate gun control policy, either for more gun control or less.

That said, the fact that his daughter was one mile away and was clearly personally affected, while not negating what he said, should be taken for what it is: emotion.  We should listen to these people for sure, but need to take it with a grain of salt.


sharetv.org
And people in hell want ice water.

Personally, I don't blame this guy. I blame the "liberal media" for getting it wrong and/or exaggerating the connection to push their own agenda. TFA lists a few of these "liberal media" outlets in the second paragraph.
 
2013-02-08 11:09:43 AM

monoski: FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?

Libs just do phony charities and steal the money for themselves


So everybody does it...that's your rebuttal. Obviously you're ok with the lie and cheat part...got it!
 
2013-02-08 11:10:28 AM

SethX9: The other is a father of one of the kids in the school and he basically says the same thing: banning guns isn't going to stop insane or evil people from doing insane or evil things.


Like that insane guy in China who slashed, stabbed and killed 20 kids that very same day with a knife.

/and by "killed" I mean wounded.
 
2013-02-08 11:12:48 AM

ParadisePornoTheater: Haven't really paid attention to this 'til now.  Are we sure he didn't fabricate his precious "Victoria", too?


She's real. Oh, and she has cancer, too. And meningitis. Pretty sure she's going blind, too.
 
2013-02-08 11:16:10 AM
images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com

What difference does it make?
 
2013-02-08 11:17:13 AM

tricycleracer: "I will tell you here today, you will take my ability to protect my Victoria from my cold, dead hands."

Because little Vicky will surely end up raped, murdered, and raped if you can't have 30 rounds in your AR-15.


Not if there are 15 guys trying to rape her.
(I double tap. It's Rule #2)
 
2013-02-08 11:18:15 AM

0Icky0: SethX9: The other is a father of one of the kids in the school and he basically says the same thing: banning guns isn't going to stop insane or evil people from doing insane or evil things.

Like that insane guy in China who slashed, stabbed and killed 20 kids that very same day with a knife.

/and by "killed" I mean wounded.


Not intended to be a factual statement.
 
2013-02-08 11:18:22 AM

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


Republicans see the other side as the enemy, as un-American.  The Democrats are sane enough to realize that we are all the same nation and that differing opinions can in fact co-exist.
 
2013-02-08 11:18:35 AM
I bet a paycheck Lennay Kukua will break up with him when this becomes known. I know her through a friend in Canada and she is very anti NRA.
 
2013-02-08 11:20:58 AM

ChrisDe: ParadisePornoTheater: Haven't really paid attention to this 'til now.  Are we sure he didn't fabricate his precious "Victoria", too?

She's real. Oh, and she has cancer, too. And meningitis. Pretty sure she's going blind, too.


And she's dating a guy from Notre Dame.
 
2013-02-08 11:21:29 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Clearly he has NO business offering an opinion on the matter.


A public hearing? Are you joking? You must be joking.
 
2013-02-08 11:22:24 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that he wasn't a Sandy Hook father doesn't negate what he said.  I have always thought that it was a bad idea to make policy based on the emotions of a victim of a crime.  Policy should come from reasoned thought and debate.  Just like I don't want the families of murder victims to control death penalty policy, neither do I want the families of Sandy Hook victims to dictate gun control policy, either for more gun control or less.

That said, the fact that his daughter was one mile away and was clearly personally affected, while not negating what he said, should be taken for what it is: emotion.  We should listen to these people for sure, but need to take it with a grain of salt.


So you are OK if someone shoots up your family then?
 
2013-02-08 11:22:26 AM
Wow, the amount of stupid in this thread is frightening!

The dude in the video DID NOT LIE - not about anything.  Some idiot posted the video on Youtube attributing it to a "Sandy Hook father" - and media dolts took that description and ran with it.  As soon as the dude in the video saw it, he posted a release correcting the error.
 
2013-02-08 11:24:33 AM

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


Because reality has a well-known liberal bias.

I think I may start referring to that fact as "Colbert's law."


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And I really do wish all the freaking sociopaths in power who keep trying to fark over the nation would quit calling themselves "conservatives."

Wanting to destroy public education and Social Security/Medicare while constantly seeking new ways to deny some people the chance to vote-- at least when they're not busy undermining any and all health and safety regulations is anything but "Conservative."  It's actually very "radical" if not borderline "Anarchist" in some ways.
 
2013-02-08 11:25:11 AM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Wow, the amount of stupid in this thread is frightening!

The dude in the video DID NOT LIE - not about anything.  Some idiot posted the video on Youtube attributing it to a "Sandy Hook father" - and media dolts took that description and ran with it.  As soon as the dude in the video saw it, he posted a release correcting the error.


Guess it pays to rtfa
 
2013-02-08 11:28:58 AM

Riche: FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?

Because reality has a well-known liberal bias.

I think I may start referring to that fact as "Colbert's law."


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And I really do wish all the freaking sociopaths in power who keep trying to fark over the nation would quit calling themselves "conservatives."

Wanting to destroy public education and Social Security/Medicare while constantly seeking new ways to deny some people the chance to vote-- at least when they're not busy undermining any and all health and safety regulations is anything but "Conservative."  It's actually very "radical" if not borderline "Anarchist" in some ways.


Reality... Liberal bias
Colbert and/or Jon Stewart reference
Conservatives=sociopaths

So close, but you coulda fit a Somalia reference in there somewhere. But I'll still give you a thinkprogress/10
 
2013-02-08 11:29:51 AM

ParadisePornoTheater: Haven't really paid attention to this 'til now.


So why start, right?
 
2013-02-08 11:30:23 AM

Circusdog320: monoski: FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?

Libs just do phony charities and steal the money for themselves

So everybody does it...that's your rebuttal. Obviously you're ok with the lie and cheat part...got it!


How about this...

You are harder on Conservatives than Liberals, not just because they claim the mantle of righteousness and wear it a little too proudly, but because it is EARNED.

This whole line got started because someone made a false generalization about Conservatives as all being liars.  The vast majority of social and political Conservatives are not hypocrites.  However, when you catch one being a hypocrite, in the Liberal's mind, that's grounds for condemning them all.  Bullshiat.  It's something you do to make yourselves feel better about liking the smell of cooking red meat, finding almost childlike joy in shooting a firearm, or secretly wanting to rev up a really fast, gas guzzling sports car and blast down the freeway like a rocket.  It is Liberals who are by in large, hypocrites, not Conservatives.  It is Liberals who need to get the stick out of their ass, not Conservatives.
 
2013-02-08 11:30:49 AM
This article does not warrant the durbnpoisn.comli.com tag.  The article is actually ABOUT the fact that he is trying to straighten out the facts.  He never said what the media is accusing him of.
 
2013-02-08 11:34:08 AM

Dimensio: Nightsweat: A gun freak lying? Color me shocked.

What, specifically, did he state that was proved to be a lie?


Hey, hey, simmer down.  No need for facts to get in the way of a good witch-burning...
 
2013-02-08 11:34:36 AM

Biness: This wasn't really his doing. Some wires were crossed and everyone seems to have just run with it.


While I don't think it was his doing, I don't think this a case of wires being crossed.  Someone decided to deliberately lie about it to enflame emotions -OR- they're too damned stupid to know what was going on and took it upon themselves to comment on it anyway.  The old adage "It's better to remain silent and to be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt" has been ignored more and more lately, because nobody cares about the truth, or even having their own ideas.  I don't know how many relatives and acquaintances I have whose only social media presence is "liking" and "sharing" trite, ignorant, and sometimes downright false information created by someone else.  And that is what truly bothers me.  Someone takes the time to deliberately mislead others.  It's either that or they're far too stupid to have the bully pulpit of dumbass fake cards and Photoshopped images that aunts, uncles, and co-workers around the country will disseminate by the millions.
 
2013-02-08 11:35:31 AM

gadian: He was making an appeal to an emotion to which he has no real connection.  It is essentially a lie in this context.


I don't even live in Connecticut, and, as a father of a child in elementary school, I had a real connection to what happened in Sandy Hook. I could have made a nearly identical speech as this father did, and it would have appealed to the same parents who wish to protect their families.

The fact that what he said didn't appeal to you either when you first heard it or after you found out his daughter doesn't attend Sandy Hook means nothing to me.
 
2013-02-08 11:36:15 AM

tricycleracer: "I will tell you here today, you will take my ability to protect my Victoria from my cold, dead hands."

Because little Vicky will surely end up raped, murdered, and raped if you can't have 30 rounds in your AR-15.


Not sure about that, but there's a better chance she will NOT be raped, murdered and raped if he DOES have 30 rounds in his AR-15

/just sayin'
 
2013-02-08 11:39:10 AM
 
2013-02-08 11:39:39 AM

dcigary: tricycleracer: "I will tell you here today, you will take my ability to protect my Victoria from my cold, dead hands."

Because little Vicky will surely end up raped, murdered, and raped if you can't have 30 rounds in your AR-15.

Not sure about that, but there's a better chance she will NOT be raped, murdered and raped if he DOES have 30 rounds in his AR-15

/just sayin'


There's a better chance that a 15 year old Vicky will get shot sneaking back into the house at 3am after being out with her boyfriend all night than the chance that her dad will thwart a murder-rape-kill.
 
2013-02-08 11:41:03 AM

Diogenes: Buncha vultures on both "sides" using this situation.  Pretty sick.


This.  And this jackass really isn't helping the looming paranoia some of the more stupid people have about Sandy Hook being real.
 
2013-02-08 11:42:30 AM
Does anyone actually believe anything that come from the media, what a joke.
 
2013-02-08 11:43:19 AM

ParadisePornoTheater: Haven't really paid attention to this 'til now.  Are we sure he didn't fabricate his precious "Victoria", too?


Not only is he likely childless, but I'm pretty sure "he" isn't even a man.  Probably just some hysterical woman with prosthetic facial hair.  In fact, was anyone actually present during "his" testimony, or is it more likely that the whole thing is CGI, created in the mysterious underground lair of the NRA?

Going even further down the rabbit hole, how can we be sure that this a false-flag op planned by the Obama administration, in order to discredit the gun nuts?
 
2013-02-08 11:44:12 AM

hdhale: You are harder on Conservatives than Liberals, not just because they claim the mantle of righteousness and wear it a little too proudly, but because it is EARNED.


pictures.mastermarf.com
 
2013-02-08 11:46:06 AM

tricycleracer: dcigary: tricycleracer: "I will tell you here today, you will take my ability to protect my Victoria from my cold, dead hands."

Because little Vicky will surely end up raped, murdered, and raped if you can't have 30 rounds in your AR-15.

Not sure about that, but there's a better chance she will NOT be raped, murdered and raped if he DOES have 30 rounds in his AR-15

/just sayin'

There's a better chance that a 15 year old Vicky will get shot sneaking back into the house at 3am after being out with her boyfriend all night than the chance that her dad will thwart a murder-rape-kill.


This this this.  ESPECIALLY if her dad's training consists solely of shooting paper targets in a controlled setting at a range and fantasizing about justified murder by bullet.
 
2013-02-08 11:47:41 AM

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


because they learned from liberals?

both sides have liars and cheaters.
 
2013-02-08 11:48:11 AM

0Icky0: SethX9: The other is a father of one of the kids in the school and he basically says the same thing: banning guns isn't going to stop insane or evil people from doing insane or evil things.

Like that insane guy in China who slashed, stabbed and killed 20 kids that very same day with a knife.

/and by "killed" I mean wounded.



No, more like banning (some) drugs and spending a trillion dollars hasn't made a dent in the drug problem. But keep advocating for emotion-based legislation. You'll REALLY appreciate that precedent when people you detest are elected.
 
2013-02-08 11:48:21 AM
I guess you guys can't read good or something. This guy made A statement. Some idiot tagged it sandy hook. Some reporter didn't fact check and published it. And this guy had the moxy to make an additional statement to clear up the confusion.

/ why is this guy a horrible person? Did he pee in your cereal or something?
 
2013-02-08 11:51:46 AM

OnlyM3: Yeah if only republicans politicians in general would stop lying.


That's a bit more realistic.
 
2013-02-08 11:54:29 AM

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


it's the company they keep.
 
2013-02-08 11:54:45 AM

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


I agree that it changes nothing.  The opinion of a "Sandy Hook Father"  has as much value as Saddam Hussein's opinion.  It's a fallacy to believe that this emotional claptrap of cold dead hands has any logical value.
 
2013-02-08 11:57:36 AM

iheartscotch: I guess you guys can't read good or something. This guy made A statement. Some idiot tagged it sandy hook. Some reporter didn't fact check and published it. And this guy had the moxy to make an additional statement to clear up the confusion.

/ why is this guy a horrible person? Did he pee in your cereal or something?


I wonder if Drew can mod Fark to track which posters actually clicked on the link prior to posting, and tag non-clicking posters with "Uninformed Idiot" or something similar.

The guy's only error was using "Unlike the LIberal media" in his correction email.  That shows him as a partisan douchebag, and makes me want to give him a good cockpunch.

/also, "moxie"
 
2013-02-08 11:58:09 AM
If you lie through your teeth about having lost a child in a tragic event then you are an asshole.

I could claim that my unborn daughter was being anally raped in uteroby Mohamed Atta even at the very moment the plane he was flying was crashing  into the WTC.

That sounds unreasonable and in poor taste, doesn't it?

And yet some of you farkers are defending this lying scumbag piece of shiat.
 
2013-02-08 11:59:18 AM

pedrop357: FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?

because they learned from liberals?

both sides have liars and cheaters.


The GOP has made it a core platform strategy.

Also, false equivalence fallacy.
 
2013-02-08 11:59:43 AM

Trapper439: If you lie through your teeth about having lost a child in a tragic event then you are an asshole.

I could claim that my unborn daughter was being anally raped in uteroby Mohamed Atta even at the very moment the plane he was flying was crashing  into the WTC.

That sounds unreasonable and in poor taste, doesn't it?

And yet some of you farkers are defending this lying scumbag piece of shiat.


He didn't lie bro. Cool your jets.
 
2013-02-08 12:00:21 PM

dcigary: tricycleracer: "I will tell you here today, you will take my ability to protect my Victoria from my cold, dead hands."

Because little Vicky will surely end up raped, murdered, and raped if you can't have 30 rounds in your AR-15.

Not sure about that, but there's a better chance she will NOT be raped, murdered and raped if he DOES have 30 rounds in his AR-15

/just sayin'


Yeah, not so much
 
2013-02-08 12:02:12 PM

lohphat: The GOP has made it a core platform strategy.

Also, false equivalence fallacy.


Oh yes.  It's a GOP thing to lie.  The Democrats don't lie, and don't make up misleading terms to push their agenda(s).

In that same vein, NBC doesn't have a history of editing videos and audio transcripts to push liberal issues and/or falsely portray conservatives.

Definitely a GOP thing and not a politician thing.
 
2013-02-08 12:02:42 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: hdhale: You are harder on Conservatives than Liberals, not just because they claim the mantle of righteousness and wear it a little too proudly, but because it is EARNED.

[pictures.mastermarf.com image 600x258]


AHAHAHHAH.

+5
 
2013-02-08 12:03:16 PM

plewis: The court of public opinion is much more important here than the truth, so in that case, this guy won one.  But he should be ashamed of himself.  HE DOES NOT KNOW REALLY WHAT HE WOULD FEEL IF HIS KID WERE INDISCRIMINATELY MOWED DOWN BY A WEAPON OF WAR.  He does not REALLY know how he would then feel about guns.  He's just a Douchebag who's kid was in no danger at all.  BUT to the derp heads, he's a tragic hero and that will not change in the light of the truth.  The public's attention has moved on and this guy served his purpose - not as a father, but as a tool for gun makers.

/why are we all so stupid?


You mean, ass opposed to people who directly experienced the loss of a child at Sandy Hook, like Barack Obama and Andrew Cuomo?
 
2013-02-08 12:09:17 PM

CheekyMonkey: iheartscotch: I guess you guys can't read good or something. This guy made A statement. Some idiot tagged it sandy hook. Some reporter didn't fact check and published it. And this guy had the moxy to make an additional statement to clear up the confusion.

/ why is this guy a horrible person? Did he pee in your cereal or something?

I wonder if Drew can mod Fark to track which posters actually clicked on the link prior to posting, and tag non-clicking posters with "Uninformed Idiot" or something similar.

The guy's only error was using "Unlike the LIberal media" in his correction email.  That shows him as a partisan douchebag, and makes me want to give him a good cockpunch.

/also, "moxie"


The liberal media thing? Yeah. Even if it's true; you would seem crass, at the very least, saying it.

As to the moxy vs. moxie; google goes both ways. Moxie is not only a word, but it's a soft drink and a band. Google says moxy is a word and a band.

/ who knows which way is right; sure as hell I don't
 
2013-02-08 12:15:40 PM

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


I'm not taking sides as I am very torn over the whole thing, but if you have to LIE to get your point across, then your point is dog shiat.
 
2013-02-08 12:17:43 PM
meh. close enough.
 
2013-02-08 12:18:33 PM

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


Given that the only reason people listened to him was he let people think he had a child in Sandy Hook Elementary it's a pretty huge deal. If that was unimportant why didn't he set the record straight immediately?

Oh right he's someone you agree with so he is beyond criticism.
 
2013-02-08 12:23:20 PM

Trapper439: If you lie through your teeth about having lost a child in a tragic event then you are an asshole.

I could claim that my unborn daughter was being anally raped in uteroby Mohamed Atta even at the very moment the plane he was flying was crashing  into the WTC.

That sounds unreasonable and in poor taste, doesn't it?

And yet some of you farkers are defending this lying scumbag piece of shiat.


Obviously you missed the part where he didn't lie and then went out of his way to clarify his statements.

This is just another case of the media turning fact into fiction. Note that when I say "media" I'm not specifying liberal or conservative because I don't give a f*ck which - they're all the "lying scumbag pieces of shiat" you're so pissed about.

But feel free to keep banging your head on that wall if it makes you happy.
 
2013-02-08 12:26:50 PM

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


That's typically how lying works, yeah.
 
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