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(Slate)   You know that "Sandy Hook father" who spoke so eloquently on behalf of gun rights and vowed that the government would take his right to protect his daughter from his "cold, dead hands?" Yup, he's not a Sandy Hook father   (slate.com) divider line 217
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2013-02-08 09:37:49 AM
Why can't the liberal media get its facts straight?

Lamestream drive by limosine liberal Hollywood Ivory tower pointy head Upper West side Media running roughshod over the truth. No surprises here.
 
2013-02-08 09:40:02 AM
and I was just joking the other day when I said he was an actor.
 
2013-02-08 09:42:41 AM
Caught int he lie. What to do, what to do?  Blame the media!


"Unlike the Liberal media who don't let facts get in the way, I just wanted to let you know that my daughter does not attend Sandy Hook Elementary"
 
2013-02-08 09:44:46 AM
so that negates what he said then?
 
2013-02-08 09:47:52 AM

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


It puts it in a very different context.
 
2013-02-08 09:53:25 AM

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


pretty much, yeah.
 
2013-02-08 09:55:24 AM

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


pretty much.
 
2013-02-08 10:15:17 AM

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


I certainly devalues his contribution.
 
2013-02-08 10:17:54 AM
why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?
 
2013-02-08 10:25:14 AM

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


Because telling the truth and playing by the rules is a surefire way for them to get their asses handed to them on a silver platter.
 
2013-02-08 10:25:23 AM
Buncha vultures on both "sides" using this situation.  Pretty sick.
 
2013-02-08 10:25:32 AM
The fact that he wasn't a Sandy Hook father doesn't negate what he said.  I have always thought that it was a bad idea to make policy based on the emotions of a victim of a crime.  Policy should come from reasoned thought and debate.  Just like I don't want the families of murder victims to control death penalty policy, neither do I want the families of Sandy Hook victims to dictate gun control policy, either for more gun control or less.

That said, the fact that his daughter was one mile away and was clearly personally affected, while not negating what he said, should be taken for what it is: emotion.  We should listen to these people for sure, but need to take it with a grain of salt.
 
2013-02-08 10:29:51 AM

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


because they're on the side of the lord god almighty, that's why.
 
2013-02-08 10:34:40 AM
This is why we'll never have nice things.

Thanks Obama.

/joking on the last line
 
2013-02-08 10:36:42 AM
When did You Tube become the "media"? And when did incessantly posting a link to Facebook become the "media"?  The way I saw this was someone took the video from the hearings, posted it with their own slant, it went viral and bunch of "news" organization reported it.

Oh wait, I guess that is the media today.
 
2013-02-08 10:39:20 AM

Ennuipoet: When did You Tube become the "media"? And when did incessantly posting a link to Facebook become the "media"?


About the time every news organization out there decided that objectivity didn't sell ads and they had to have shocking bias 24/7
 
2013-02-08 10:40:13 AM
The fact that he wasn't from Sandy Hook doesn't negate his testimony.  The fact that is was trite and stupid does.
 
2013-02-08 10:42:46 AM
It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Now, having said that. Good luck with the high cap mag ban.
 
2013-02-08 10:52:22 AM
This wasn't really his doing. Some wires were crossed and everyone seems to have just run with it.
 
2013-02-08 10:53:06 AM
"Sick" tag taking an early lunch break?
 
2013-02-08 10:53:14 AM

EvilEgg: The fact that he wasn't from Sandy Hook doesn't negate his testimony


It does kind of adjust the value of it though. Mostly what it does is make me want to krotchpunt the people who were trying to use it with the Sandy Hook label to play on the emotions of the people watching it.
 
2013-02-08 10:54:04 AM

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


Libs just do phony charities and steal the money for themselves
 
2013-02-08 10:54:28 AM
A gun freak lying? Color me shocked.
 
2013-02-08 10:54:36 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that he wasn't a Sandy Hook father doesn't negate what he said.


Yeah, it does.  He was making an appeal to an emotion to which he has no real connection.  It is essentially a lie in this context.
 
2013-02-08 10:54:42 AM
"I will tell you here today, you will take my ability to protect my Victoria from my cold, dead hands."

Because little Vicky will surely end up raped, murdered, and raped if you can't have 30 rounds in your AR-15.
 
2013-02-08 10:55:31 AM
There are actually a couple of "Sandy Hook father" videos out there. One is this guy. The other is a father of one of the kids in the school and he basically says the same thing: banning guns isn't going to stop insane or evil people from doing insane or evil things.
 
2013-02-08 10:55:32 AM
But he was a still a Nigerian prince, though.  Right?
 
2013-02-08 10:55:45 AM
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2013-02-08 10:56:00 AM
vernonFL

Why can't the liberal media get its facts straight?

Fixed for reality.
 
2013-02-08 10:56:22 AM

Weaver95: talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?

pretty much, yeah.


So given that your sorry butt has nothing to do with anything involved with the story or I would wager anything to do with recent gunviolence stories, I shall just ignore your opinion because according to you the only opinions that count these days are those directly effected...  You know what Im sorry I cant even follow your logic to complete this sentence coherently.
 
2013-02-08 10:56:49 AM

Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Now, having said that. Good luck with the high cap mag ban.


3D guns and wild hogs for everyone!
 
2013-02-08 10:57:21 AM

To all you dolts insisting he lied, try reading the farking article.

"In fairness to Stevens, the misinformation was not his doing. While his Weenerss were a little ambigious-he said that his daughter "was in lockdown" during the shooting and that "her classmate's little sister was murdered in Sandy Hook that day"-he's already gone out of his way to correct the error,

Thank you for the nice article about my testimony in Hartford. Unlike the Liberal media who don't let facts get in the way, I just wanted to let you know that my daughter does not attend Sandy Hook Elementary, but was in "lock down" nonetheless on December 14, 2012 at Reed Intermediate School (5th & 6th grade) about a mile away with her classmates, one of whom lost his little sister that day.
 
2013-02-08 10:58:21 AM
It's as if people see thing and make "assumptions" about what they see, and sometimes those "assumptions" are seen to be "wrong" when the thing is seen in "context".
 
2013-02-08 10:58:52 AM

Nightsweat: A gun freak lying? Color me shocked.


What, specifically, did he state that was proved to be a lie?
 
2013-02-08 10:59:19 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that he wasn't a Sandy Hook father doesn't negate what he said.  I have always thought that it was a bad idea to make policy based on the emotions of a victim of a crime.  Policy should come from reasoned thought and debate.  Just like I don't want the families of murder victims to control death penalty policy, neither do I want the families of Sandy Hook victims to dictate gun control policy, either for more gun control or less.

That said, the fact that his daughter was one mile away and was clearly personally affected, while not negating what he said, should be taken for what it is: emotion.  We should listen to these people for sure, but need to take it with a grain of salt.


but the problem like you said is gun debate unfortunately goes hand in hand with emotions as well. Not much stock is put into 'facts' anymore but rather emotions.. especially  on the pro gun side. It's impossible to have a functional mature debate when one side is 100% convinced it's all about 'the secrit mooslin kenyan wanting to take ALL our guns away!'

Most people who listen to him will listen with their hearts (emotions) not so much with their minds. That alone should negate what he said even if the actual words themselves have meaning to some.
 
2013-02-08 11:00:24 AM
So why did they let him speak?  It is like he was hired to perform.
 
2013-02-08 11:00:32 AM

Shryke: To all you dolts insisting he lied, try reading the farking article.


I'm more than willing to bet the farm that he was intentionally "ambiguous".  He knew what people would think and yet he has plausible deniability.
 
2013-02-08 11:00:56 AM
The following day, Brietbart.com stated plainly that she had "survived the crime at Sandy Hook." On Tuesday, the Daily Caller did the same, explaining that she had "survived the tragic Sandy Hook Elementary shooting." We heard a similar story from Townhall.com, as well as from a spate of other conservative sites.

Unlike the Liberal media who don't let facts get in the way, I just wanted to let you know that my daughter does not attend Sandy Hook Elementary,


Hmmm...
 
2013-02-08 11:01:07 AM
Haven't really paid attention to this 'til now.  Are we sure he didn't fabricate his precious "Victoria", too?

And is it just me, or do parents have to scream about "My daughter, my daughter, my daughter" a little too much?  Don't young sons need help and protection, too?  Or do we need future Britney Spearses and Hillary Clintons with through-the-roof self-esteems that badly?
 
2013-02-08 11:01:19 AM

Biness: This wasn't really his doing. Some wires were crossed and everyone seems to have just run with it.


Don't you dare rob the whack jobs of their opportunity to make a logic leap from the stratosphere and declare since someone got a story wrong this guy lied and now more than ever we need to ban handguns and any weapon that contains plastic or shoots bullets.  Don't you do it!

/if a invented a semiauto rifle that would also perform on demand abortions, do you think I could get the loonies in New York State to sign off on it even if it did more than 7 abortions with a single magazine?
 
2013-02-08 11:01:41 AM

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


Not at all.
 
2013-02-08 11:03:03 AM
So nice he was able to get a few jokes in there and make the audience guffawOL. Very tasteful.
 
2013-02-08 11:03:05 AM

gadian: Shryke: To all you dolts insisting he lied, try reading the farking article.

I'm more than willing to bet the farm that he was intentionally "ambiguous".  He knew what people would think and yet he has plausible deniability.


Surely it isn't your biased ear. Ho hum, Slate disagrees with you.
 
2013-02-08 11:03:48 AM
The court of public opinion is much more important here than the truth, so in that case, this guy won one.  But he should be ashamed of himself.  HE DOES NOT KNOW REALLY WHAT HE WOULD FEEL IF HIS KID WERE INDISCRIMINATELY MOWED DOWN BY A WEAPON OF WAR.  He does not REALLY know how he would then feel about guns.  He's just a Douchebag who's kid was in no danger at all.  BUT to the derp heads, he's a tragic hero and that will not change in the light of the truth.  The public's attention has moved on and this guy served his purpose - not as a father, but as a tool for gun makers.

/why are we all so stupid?
 
2013-02-08 11:05:33 AM

Shryke: gadian: Shryke: To all you dolts insisting he lied, try reading the farking article.

I'm more than willing to bet the farm that he was intentionally "ambiguous".  He knew what people would think and yet he has plausible deniability.

Surely it isn't your biased ear. Ho hum, Slate disagrees with you.



"Victoria is a fifth-grader at Reed Intermediate School, located about a mile or so from the elementary school that was the scene of the tragic mass shooting. In fairness to Stevens, the misinformation was not his doing."

Clearly he has NO business offering an opinion on the matter.
 
2013-02-08 11:05:55 AM

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


Because fascists and other sociopaths and psychopaths always believe their ends justify their means.

/Malcolm X excluded...by any means necessary
 
2013-02-08 11:05:55 AM

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


Actually it was his conservative bias that re-framed it.  His words remain the same.  I did not think he was profound, just a strong advocate for owning guns.
 
2013-02-08 11:07:18 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that he wasn't a Sandy Hook father doesn't negate what he said.  I have always thought that it was a bad idea to make policy based on the emotions of a victim of a crime.  Policy should come from reasoned thought and debate.  Just like I don't want the families of murder victims to control death penalty policy, neither do I want the families of Sandy Hook victims to dictate gun control policy, either for more gun control or less.

That said, the fact that his daughter was one mile away and was clearly personally affected, while not negating what he said, should be taken for what it is: emotion.  We should listen to these people for sure, but need to take it with a grain of salt.


But emotion is precisely what he was relying on. So fark him.
 
2013-02-08 11:07:39 AM
Knows a thing or two about acting
l2.yimg.com
 
2013-02-08 11:08:20 AM

The Singing Bush: The following day, Brietbart.com stated plainly that she had "survived the crime at Sandy Hook." On Tuesday, the Daily Caller did the same, explaining that she had "survived the tragic Sandy Hook Elementary shooting." We heard a similar story from Townhall.com, as well as from a spate of other conservative sites.

Unlike the Liberal media who don't let facts get in the way, I just wanted to let you know that my daughter does not attend Sandy Hook Elementary,

Hmmm...


This.  I think his using the phrase "the liberal media" did more to negate what he said than the actual error.  It paints him as an obvious partisan which calls his motives into question -- nobody speaking earnestly and objectively is going to trot out a line like that.  It means he's a FOX News viewer and as such he can't be relied on any more than an NRA shill.
 
2013-02-08 11:08:42 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that he wasn't a Sandy Hook father doesn't negate what he said.  I have always thought that it was a bad idea to make policy based on the emotions of a victim of a crime.  Policy should come from reasoned thought and debate.  Just like I don't want the families of murder victims to control death penalty policy, neither do I want the families of Sandy Hook victims to dictate gun control policy, either for more gun control or less.

That said, the fact that his daughter was one mile away and was clearly personally affected, while not negating what he said, should be taken for what it is: emotion.  We should listen to these people for sure, but need to take it with a grain of salt.


sharetv.org
And people in hell want ice water.

Personally, I don't blame this guy. I blame the "liberal media" for getting it wrong and/or exaggerating the connection to push their own agenda. TFA lists a few of these "liberal media" outlets in the second paragraph.
 
2013-02-08 11:09:43 AM

monoski: FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?

Libs just do phony charities and steal the money for themselves


So everybody does it...that's your rebuttal. Obviously you're ok with the lie and cheat part...got it!
 
2013-02-08 11:10:28 AM

SethX9: The other is a father of one of the kids in the school and he basically says the same thing: banning guns isn't going to stop insane or evil people from doing insane or evil things.


Like that insane guy in China who slashed, stabbed and killed 20 kids that very same day with a knife.

/and by "killed" I mean wounded.
 
2013-02-08 11:12:48 AM

ParadisePornoTheater: Haven't really paid attention to this 'til now.  Are we sure he didn't fabricate his precious "Victoria", too?


She's real. Oh, and she has cancer, too. And meningitis. Pretty sure she's going blind, too.
 
2013-02-08 11:16:10 AM
images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com

What difference does it make?
 
2013-02-08 11:17:13 AM

tricycleracer: "I will tell you here today, you will take my ability to protect my Victoria from my cold, dead hands."

Because little Vicky will surely end up raped, murdered, and raped if you can't have 30 rounds in your AR-15.


Not if there are 15 guys trying to rape her.
(I double tap. It's Rule #2)
 
2013-02-08 11:18:15 AM

0Icky0: SethX9: The other is a father of one of the kids in the school and he basically says the same thing: banning guns isn't going to stop insane or evil people from doing insane or evil things.

Like that insane guy in China who slashed, stabbed and killed 20 kids that very same day with a knife.

/and by "killed" I mean wounded.


Not intended to be a factual statement.
 
2013-02-08 11:18:22 AM

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


Republicans see the other side as the enemy, as un-American.  The Democrats are sane enough to realize that we are all the same nation and that differing opinions can in fact co-exist.
 
2013-02-08 11:18:35 AM
I bet a paycheck Lennay Kukua will break up with him when this becomes known. I know her through a friend in Canada and she is very anti NRA.
 
2013-02-08 11:20:58 AM

ChrisDe: ParadisePornoTheater: Haven't really paid attention to this 'til now.  Are we sure he didn't fabricate his precious "Victoria", too?

She's real. Oh, and she has cancer, too. And meningitis. Pretty sure she's going blind, too.


And she's dating a guy from Notre Dame.
 
2013-02-08 11:21:29 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Clearly he has NO business offering an opinion on the matter.


A public hearing? Are you joking? You must be joking.
 
2013-02-08 11:22:24 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that he wasn't a Sandy Hook father doesn't negate what he said.  I have always thought that it was a bad idea to make policy based on the emotions of a victim of a crime.  Policy should come from reasoned thought and debate.  Just like I don't want the families of murder victims to control death penalty policy, neither do I want the families of Sandy Hook victims to dictate gun control policy, either for more gun control or less.

That said, the fact that his daughter was one mile away and was clearly personally affected, while not negating what he said, should be taken for what it is: emotion.  We should listen to these people for sure, but need to take it with a grain of salt.


So you are OK if someone shoots up your family then?
 
2013-02-08 11:22:26 AM
Wow, the amount of stupid in this thread is frightening!

The dude in the video DID NOT LIE - not about anything.  Some idiot posted the video on Youtube attributing it to a "Sandy Hook father" - and media dolts took that description and ran with it.  As soon as the dude in the video saw it, he posted a release correcting the error.
 
2013-02-08 11:24:33 AM

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


Because reality has a well-known liberal bias.

I think I may start referring to that fact as "Colbert's law."


===================

And I really do wish all the freaking sociopaths in power who keep trying to fark over the nation would quit calling themselves "conservatives."

Wanting to destroy public education and Social Security/Medicare while constantly seeking new ways to deny some people the chance to vote-- at least when they're not busy undermining any and all health and safety regulations is anything but "Conservative."  It's actually very "radical" if not borderline "Anarchist" in some ways.
 
2013-02-08 11:25:11 AM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Wow, the amount of stupid in this thread is frightening!

The dude in the video DID NOT LIE - not about anything.  Some idiot posted the video on Youtube attributing it to a "Sandy Hook father" - and media dolts took that description and ran with it.  As soon as the dude in the video saw it, he posted a release correcting the error.


Guess it pays to rtfa
 
2013-02-08 11:28:58 AM

Riche: FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?

Because reality has a well-known liberal bias.

I think I may start referring to that fact as "Colbert's law."


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And I really do wish all the freaking sociopaths in power who keep trying to fark over the nation would quit calling themselves "conservatives."

Wanting to destroy public education and Social Security/Medicare while constantly seeking new ways to deny some people the chance to vote-- at least when they're not busy undermining any and all health and safety regulations is anything but "Conservative."  It's actually very "radical" if not borderline "Anarchist" in some ways.


Reality... Liberal bias
Colbert and/or Jon Stewart reference
Conservatives=sociopaths

So close, but you coulda fit a Somalia reference in there somewhere. But I'll still give you a thinkprogress/10
 
2013-02-08 11:29:51 AM

ParadisePornoTheater: Haven't really paid attention to this 'til now.


So why start, right?
 
2013-02-08 11:30:23 AM

Circusdog320: monoski: FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?

Libs just do phony charities and steal the money for themselves

So everybody does it...that's your rebuttal. Obviously you're ok with the lie and cheat part...got it!


How about this...

You are harder on Conservatives than Liberals, not just because they claim the mantle of righteousness and wear it a little too proudly, but because it is EARNED.

This whole line got started because someone made a false generalization about Conservatives as all being liars.  The vast majority of social and political Conservatives are not hypocrites.  However, when you catch one being a hypocrite, in the Liberal's mind, that's grounds for condemning them all.  Bullshiat.  It's something you do to make yourselves feel better about liking the smell of cooking red meat, finding almost childlike joy in shooting a firearm, or secretly wanting to rev up a really fast, gas guzzling sports car and blast down the freeway like a rocket.  It is Liberals who are by in large, hypocrites, not Conservatives.  It is Liberals who need to get the stick out of their ass, not Conservatives.
 
2013-02-08 11:30:49 AM
This article does not warrant the durbnpoisn.comli.com tag.  The article is actually ABOUT the fact that he is trying to straighten out the facts.  He never said what the media is accusing him of.
 
2013-02-08 11:34:08 AM

Dimensio: Nightsweat: A gun freak lying? Color me shocked.

What, specifically, did he state that was proved to be a lie?


Hey, hey, simmer down.  No need for facts to get in the way of a good witch-burning...
 
2013-02-08 11:34:36 AM

Biness: This wasn't really his doing. Some wires were crossed and everyone seems to have just run with it.


While I don't think it was his doing, I don't think this a case of wires being crossed.  Someone decided to deliberately lie about it to enflame emotions -OR- they're too damned stupid to know what was going on and took it upon themselves to comment on it anyway.  The old adage "It's better to remain silent and to be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt" has been ignored more and more lately, because nobody cares about the truth, or even having their own ideas.  I don't know how many relatives and acquaintances I have whose only social media presence is "liking" and "sharing" trite, ignorant, and sometimes downright false information created by someone else.  And that is what truly bothers me.  Someone takes the time to deliberately mislead others.  It's either that or they're far too stupid to have the bully pulpit of dumbass fake cards and Photoshopped images that aunts, uncles, and co-workers around the country will disseminate by the millions.
 
2013-02-08 11:35:31 AM

gadian: He was making an appeal to an emotion to which he has no real connection.  It is essentially a lie in this context.


I don't even live in Connecticut, and, as a father of a child in elementary school, I had a real connection to what happened in Sandy Hook. I could have made a nearly identical speech as this father did, and it would have appealed to the same parents who wish to protect their families.

The fact that what he said didn't appeal to you either when you first heard it or after you found out his daughter doesn't attend Sandy Hook means nothing to me.
 
2013-02-08 11:36:15 AM

tricycleracer: "I will tell you here today, you will take my ability to protect my Victoria from my cold, dead hands."

Because little Vicky will surely end up raped, murdered, and raped if you can't have 30 rounds in your AR-15.


Not sure about that, but there's a better chance she will NOT be raped, murdered and raped if he DOES have 30 rounds in his AR-15

/just sayin'
 
2013-02-08 11:39:10 AM
 
2013-02-08 11:39:39 AM

dcigary: tricycleracer: "I will tell you here today, you will take my ability to protect my Victoria from my cold, dead hands."

Because little Vicky will surely end up raped, murdered, and raped if you can't have 30 rounds in your AR-15.

Not sure about that, but there's a better chance she will NOT be raped, murdered and raped if he DOES have 30 rounds in his AR-15

/just sayin'


There's a better chance that a 15 year old Vicky will get shot sneaking back into the house at 3am after being out with her boyfriend all night than the chance that her dad will thwart a murder-rape-kill.
 
2013-02-08 11:41:03 AM

Diogenes: Buncha vultures on both "sides" using this situation.  Pretty sick.


This.  And this jackass really isn't helping the looming paranoia some of the more stupid people have about Sandy Hook being real.
 
2013-02-08 11:42:30 AM
Does anyone actually believe anything that come from the media, what a joke.
 
2013-02-08 11:43:19 AM

ParadisePornoTheater: Haven't really paid attention to this 'til now.  Are we sure he didn't fabricate his precious "Victoria", too?


Not only is he likely childless, but I'm pretty sure "he" isn't even a man.  Probably just some hysterical woman with prosthetic facial hair.  In fact, was anyone actually present during "his" testimony, or is it more likely that the whole thing is CGI, created in the mysterious underground lair of the NRA?

Going even further down the rabbit hole, how can we be sure that this a false-flag op planned by the Obama administration, in order to discredit the gun nuts?
 
2013-02-08 11:44:12 AM

hdhale: You are harder on Conservatives than Liberals, not just because they claim the mantle of righteousness and wear it a little too proudly, but because it is EARNED.


pictures.mastermarf.com
 
2013-02-08 11:46:06 AM

tricycleracer: dcigary: tricycleracer: "I will tell you here today, you will take my ability to protect my Victoria from my cold, dead hands."

Because little Vicky will surely end up raped, murdered, and raped if you can't have 30 rounds in your AR-15.

Not sure about that, but there's a better chance she will NOT be raped, murdered and raped if he DOES have 30 rounds in his AR-15

/just sayin'

There's a better chance that a 15 year old Vicky will get shot sneaking back into the house at 3am after being out with her boyfriend all night than the chance that her dad will thwart a murder-rape-kill.


This this this.  ESPECIALLY if her dad's training consists solely of shooting paper targets in a controlled setting at a range and fantasizing about justified murder by bullet.
 
2013-02-08 11:47:41 AM

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


because they learned from liberals?

both sides have liars and cheaters.
 
2013-02-08 11:48:11 AM

0Icky0: SethX9: The other is a father of one of the kids in the school and he basically says the same thing: banning guns isn't going to stop insane or evil people from doing insane or evil things.

Like that insane guy in China who slashed, stabbed and killed 20 kids that very same day with a knife.

/and by "killed" I mean wounded.



No, more like banning (some) drugs and spending a trillion dollars hasn't made a dent in the drug problem. But keep advocating for emotion-based legislation. You'll REALLY appreciate that precedent when people you detest are elected.
 
2013-02-08 11:48:21 AM
I guess you guys can't read good or something. This guy made A statement. Some idiot tagged it sandy hook. Some reporter didn't fact check and published it. And this guy had the moxy to make an additional statement to clear up the confusion.

/ why is this guy a horrible person? Did he pee in your cereal or something?
 
2013-02-08 11:51:46 AM

OnlyM3: Yeah if only republicans politicians in general would stop lying.


That's a bit more realistic.
 
2013-02-08 11:54:29 AM

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


it's the company they keep.
 
2013-02-08 11:54:45 AM

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


I agree that it changes nothing.  The opinion of a "Sandy Hook Father"  has as much value as Saddam Hussein's opinion.  It's a fallacy to believe that this emotional claptrap of cold dead hands has any logical value.
 
2013-02-08 11:57:36 AM

iheartscotch: I guess you guys can't read good or something. This guy made A statement. Some idiot tagged it sandy hook. Some reporter didn't fact check and published it. And this guy had the moxy to make an additional statement to clear up the confusion.

/ why is this guy a horrible person? Did he pee in your cereal or something?


I wonder if Drew can mod Fark to track which posters actually clicked on the link prior to posting, and tag non-clicking posters with "Uninformed Idiot" or something similar.

The guy's only error was using "Unlike the LIberal media" in his correction email.  That shows him as a partisan douchebag, and makes me want to give him a good cockpunch.

/also, "moxie"
 
2013-02-08 11:58:09 AM
If you lie through your teeth about having lost a child in a tragic event then you are an asshole.

I could claim that my unborn daughter was being anally raped in uteroby Mohamed Atta even at the very moment the plane he was flying was crashing  into the WTC.

That sounds unreasonable and in poor taste, doesn't it?

And yet some of you farkers are defending this lying scumbag piece of shiat.
 
2013-02-08 11:59:18 AM

pedrop357: FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?

because they learned from liberals?

both sides have liars and cheaters.


The GOP has made it a core platform strategy.

Also, false equivalence fallacy.
 
2013-02-08 11:59:43 AM

Trapper439: If you lie through your teeth about having lost a child in a tragic event then you are an asshole.

I could claim that my unborn daughter was being anally raped in uteroby Mohamed Atta even at the very moment the plane he was flying was crashing  into the WTC.

That sounds unreasonable and in poor taste, doesn't it?

And yet some of you farkers are defending this lying scumbag piece of shiat.


He didn't lie bro. Cool your jets.
 
2013-02-08 12:00:21 PM

dcigary: tricycleracer: "I will tell you here today, you will take my ability to protect my Victoria from my cold, dead hands."

Because little Vicky will surely end up raped, murdered, and raped if you can't have 30 rounds in your AR-15.

Not sure about that, but there's a better chance she will NOT be raped, murdered and raped if he DOES have 30 rounds in his AR-15

/just sayin'


Yeah, not so much
 
2013-02-08 12:02:12 PM

lohphat: The GOP has made it a core platform strategy.

Also, false equivalence fallacy.


Oh yes.  It's a GOP thing to lie.  The Democrats don't lie, and don't make up misleading terms to push their agenda(s).

In that same vein, NBC doesn't have a history of editing videos and audio transcripts to push liberal issues and/or falsely portray conservatives.

Definitely a GOP thing and not a politician thing.
 
2013-02-08 12:02:42 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: hdhale: You are harder on Conservatives than Liberals, not just because they claim the mantle of righteousness and wear it a little too proudly, but because it is EARNED.

[pictures.mastermarf.com image 600x258]


AHAHAHHAH.

+5
 
2013-02-08 12:03:16 PM

plewis: The court of public opinion is much more important here than the truth, so in that case, this guy won one.  But he should be ashamed of himself.  HE DOES NOT KNOW REALLY WHAT HE WOULD FEEL IF HIS KID WERE INDISCRIMINATELY MOWED DOWN BY A WEAPON OF WAR.  He does not REALLY know how he would then feel about guns.  He's just a Douchebag who's kid was in no danger at all.  BUT to the derp heads, he's a tragic hero and that will not change in the light of the truth.  The public's attention has moved on and this guy served his purpose - not as a father, but as a tool for gun makers.

/why are we all so stupid?


You mean, ass opposed to people who directly experienced the loss of a child at Sandy Hook, like Barack Obama and Andrew Cuomo?
 
2013-02-08 12:09:17 PM

CheekyMonkey: iheartscotch: I guess you guys can't read good or something. This guy made A statement. Some idiot tagged it sandy hook. Some reporter didn't fact check and published it. And this guy had the moxy to make an additional statement to clear up the confusion.

/ why is this guy a horrible person? Did he pee in your cereal or something?

I wonder if Drew can mod Fark to track which posters actually clicked on the link prior to posting, and tag non-clicking posters with "Uninformed Idiot" or something similar.

The guy's only error was using "Unlike the LIberal media" in his correction email.  That shows him as a partisan douchebag, and makes me want to give him a good cockpunch.

/also, "moxie"


The liberal media thing? Yeah. Even if it's true; you would seem crass, at the very least, saying it.

As to the moxy vs. moxie; google goes both ways. Moxie is not only a word, but it's a soft drink and a band. Google says moxy is a word and a band.

/ who knows which way is right; sure as hell I don't
 
2013-02-08 12:15:40 PM

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


I'm not taking sides as I am very torn over the whole thing, but if you have to LIE to get your point across, then your point is dog shiat.
 
2013-02-08 12:17:43 PM
meh. close enough.
 
2013-02-08 12:18:33 PM

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


Given that the only reason people listened to him was he let people think he had a child in Sandy Hook Elementary it's a pretty huge deal. If that was unimportant why didn't he set the record straight immediately?

Oh right he's someone you agree with so he is beyond criticism.
 
2013-02-08 12:23:20 PM

Trapper439: If you lie through your teeth about having lost a child in a tragic event then you are an asshole.

I could claim that my unborn daughter was being anally raped in uteroby Mohamed Atta even at the very moment the plane he was flying was crashing  into the WTC.

That sounds unreasonable and in poor taste, doesn't it?

And yet some of you farkers are defending this lying scumbag piece of shiat.


Obviously you missed the part where he didn't lie and then went out of his way to clarify his statements.

This is just another case of the media turning fact into fiction. Note that when I say "media" I'm not specifying liberal or conservative because I don't give a f*ck which - they're all the "lying scumbag pieces of shiat" you're so pissed about.

But feel free to keep banging your head on that wall if it makes you happy.
 
2013-02-08 12:26:50 PM

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


That's typically how lying works, yeah.
 
2013-02-08 12:33:49 PM

Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Now, having said that. Good luck with the high cap mag ban.


In all fairness to the man, I don't think he was trying to lie. He's clearly unaware that, by presenting himself as affected by the Sandy Hook tragedy, he's basically lying, but he did actually try to clear up the technical lie, and I'd imagine he's just one of those people who really are farking oblivious to social situations.

That said, the rest of us have every right to take it as lying and ignore him. It just wasn't malicious or intentional. Sometimes people are stupid.
 
2013-02-08 12:36:49 PM
So why not get someone to promote their narrative whose kid actually went to Sandy Hook?
 
2013-02-08 12:41:39 PM

ManateeGag: and I was just joking the other day when I said he was an actor.


Plate o shrimp. My brother posted that clip and I replied that he's clearly an actor.
 
2013-02-08 12:44:01 PM

Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.


Agreed. The next time some fruitloop goes off and start hosing down people with an automatic weapon, I sincerely hope this jackass takes a bullet. Or maybe he lives and somebody close to his heart takes a bullet. See how ACTUAL grief feels, farkhead.
 
2013-02-08 12:50:33 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?

Given that the only reason people listened to him was he let people think he had a child in Sandy Hook Elementary it's a pretty huge deal. If that was unimportant why didn't he set the record straight immediately?

Oh right he's someone you agree with so he is beyond criticism.


i'm not saying i agree or disagree with what he's saying.  but really, did he ever say he had a kid there?  people jumped to the wrong conclusions.
and IT'S A YOUTUBE VIDEO, GET OVER IT.

i, for one, do not get my information from youtube.  i get my entertainment there.  so if something on youtube is incorrect, i am 100% not surprised.
 
2013-02-08 12:51:20 PM

CheekyMonkey: iheartscotch: I guess you guys can't read good or something. This guy made A statement. Some idiot tagged it sandy hook. Some reporter didn't fact check and published it. And this guy had the moxy to make an additional statement to clear up the confusion.

/ why is this guy a horrible person? Did he pee in your cereal or something?

I wonder if Drew can mod Fark to track which posters actually clicked on the link prior to posting, and tag non-clicking posters with "Uninformed Idiot" or something similar.


Considering that the links to the articles are actually tracking URLs (they all go to a script on FARK with a URL rewrite parameter that specifies the destination URL to redirect to ["...fark.com/goto/{article#}/{destURL}"]), yes, Drew or his code minions could easily do that. They already at the very least count the clicks, and it would be quite easy to, at least for users who are already logged in at the time of the click [IP and/or cookie tracking might provide a way to do this for users who don't log in until they intend to post a Reply], log when they clicked it. Any posts made by that user in that same thread before the click could be flagged accordingly.

How about a "DNRTFA" tag graphic (same height and ½ the width of the "img.fark.net" graphic, thus about 37×11 pixels) that appears just before the "Smart" button, attached to the individual posts, not the poster? That way, if a person comments, then reads TFA, then comments again, you can tell which comments were posted prior to clicking the article link.

Of course, if a person read the article on their own before finding it on FARK (as I did, having seen it on Slate before seeing this thread on FARK), their posts could be unjustly tagged. And, a person could easily right- or middle-click the link (opening it in a new tab and thus activating the FARK "goto" script without the browser switching to that new tab), then read the FARK thread and even comment on it, and not actually read the article in the other tab until later. Such a system would have no way of detecting that.
 
2013-02-08 12:56:30 PM
I bet Drew would get credit for a lot more clicks if a Farker thought he would be tagged as a belligerent dumbass for not reading the article before commenting.
 
2013-02-08 01:03:20 PM

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


cdn.wl.uproxx.com
They learned it by watching YOU, liberals.
 
2013-02-08 01:09:13 PM
Saw the clip then read it in a magazine. What difference does it make?
 
2013-02-08 01:10:06 PM
If this guy -- in the time between lanza showing up on school property and beginning to shoot -- managed to dash out of work, get home, arm himself, get to the school, and kill or incapacitate Adam Lanza -- well, then he would have a pretty good point.  Seeing as two already-armed and on-scene security guards at Columbine were unable to accomplish this, its pretty doubtful.  Also, basic common sense points to this being extremely unlikely too, but ... god forbid that gets in the way.

This guy is directly to defending his right to own a gun while something bad happens, in favor of not owning a gun while same bad thing happens.  He is defending that right from people who aren't trying to take away that right, and really just want to close some loopholes that let any asshole buy a gun without so much as showing an ID.

His daughter doesn't matter. His credibility doesn't matter.  A stupid argument is a stupid argument no matter who makes it.
 
2013-02-08 01:10:30 PM
Is this the same dude who was laughing right before he thought the cameras were rolling then got all misty eyed and choked up when he got to the podium?

/DNRTFA
//DNRTFC
///IFTHEVCFINDOUTTHEVPISICTHENTHEVPCOULDGOMIAANDWEDALLHAVEKP
 
2013-02-08 01:12:06 PM

PsiChick: Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Now, having said that. Good luck with the high cap mag ban.

In all fairness to the man, I don't think he was trying to lie. He's clearly unaware that, by presenting himself as affected by the Sandy Hook tragedy, he's basically lying, but he did actually try to clear up the technical lie, and I'd imagine he's just one of those people who really are farking oblivious to social situations.

That said, the rest of us have every right to take it as lying and ignore him. It just wasn't malicious or intentional. Sometimes people are stupid.


Dude's got a little girl who went to school right down the road from Sandy Hook.  If he says it affected him, I'm inclined to believe it.  Who put you in charge of validating other people's emotions?

Are you going to tell me that because I live in NJ, not NYC, and only one person who lived in my condo complex died when the Twin Towers came down, that 9/11 did not affect me?  Bull-farking-shiat.
 
2013-02-08 01:18:58 PM

iheartscotch: CheekyMonkey: iheartscotch: I guess you guys can't read good or something. This guy made A statement. Some idiot tagged it sandy hook. Some reporter didn't fact check and published it. And this guy had the moxy to make an additional statement to clear up the confusion.

/ why is this guy a horrible person? Did he pee in your cereal or something?

I wonder if Drew can mod Fark to track which posters actually clicked on the link prior to posting, and tag non-clicking posters with "Uninformed Idiot" or something similar.

The guy's only error was using "Unlike the LIberal media" in his correction email.  That shows him as a partisan douchebag, and makes me want to give him a good cockpunch.

/also, "moxie"

The liberal media thing? Yeah. Even if it's true; you would seem crass, at the very least, saying it.

As to the moxy vs. moxie; google goes both ways. Moxie is not only a word, but it's a soft drink and a band. Google says moxy is a word and a band.

/ who knows which way is right; sure as hell I don't


Google isn't a dictionary.  If you look up 'moxy' in one, you won't find it.  Except for UrbanDictionary, and I'm not sure that counts ;-)
 
2013-02-08 01:19:27 PM
You know the "assault rifles" every mainstream media outlet reported as the murder weapons in the sandy hook shooting? Yup, those were not assault weapons they were pistols.
 
2013-02-08 01:19:42 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?

That's typically how lying works, yeah.


What did he lie about?
 
2013-02-08 01:20:26 PM

BlindRaise: You know the "assault rifles" every mainstream media outlet reported as the murder weapons in the sandy hook shooting? Yup, those were not assault weapons they were pistols.


Are pistols incapable of being used in an assault?
 
2013-02-08 01:20:58 PM

CheekyMonkey: PsiChick: Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Now, having said that. Good luck with the high cap mag ban.

In all fairness to the man, I don't think he was trying to lie. He's clearly unaware that, by presenting himself as affected by the Sandy Hook tragedy, he's basically lying, but he did actually try to clear up the technical lie, and I'd imagine he's just one of those people who really are farking oblivious to social situations.

That said, the rest of us have every right to take it as lying and ignore him. It just wasn't malicious or intentional. Sometimes people are stupid.

Dude's got a little girl who went to school right down the road from Sandy Hook.  If he says it affected him, I'm inclined to believe it.  Who put you in charge of validating other people's emotions?

Are you going to tell me that because I live in NJ, not NYC, and only one person who lived in my condo complex died when the Twin Towers came down, that 9/11 did not affect me?  Bull-farking-shiat.


No, I'm saying that people expect that, if you publicly cite a tragedy, you were a) directly related to the event, or b) do not invoke it while making a political statement (or find a way to draw a clear line). Because he did not complete either of b, most people take it as a lie, because it's expected that you already know this rule.

Of course, this guy clearly didn't, which is why I said it was accidental. But that doesn't mean he didn't end up lying, just that it was unintentional.
 
2013-02-08 01:24:40 PM
So his daughter wasn't there, but he knows someone (daughter), who knows someone (daughters friend), who knows someone (daughters friends sister) that was killed?

I bet he doesn't even have a daughter
 
2013-02-08 01:30:38 PM
But Mark Mattiolis testimony still stands and he is still a father of one of the victims right?
 
2013-02-08 01:31:27 PM

jigger: Are pistols incapable of being used in an assault?


A pudding pop can be used in an assault but that doesn't make it an assault weapon. Thanks for playing semantics and failing, meanwhile ignoring the entire point of my original comment, seems about par for the course for liberal arguments around here.
 
2013-02-08 01:31:35 PM

Gilligann: So his daughter wasn't there, but he knows someone (daughter), who knows someone (daughters friend), who knows someone (daughters friends sister) that was killed?

I bet he doesn't even have a daughter


It's a stretch, but I could see being upset and feeling like I lost a kid (I don't have kids) if that friend and her sister were regular fixtures at my house ie., sleepovers, etc.  Not saying that's the case here, just that it's one way that might justify his position the way he framed it.

If your kid was good friends with a classmate and that classmate's sister, how would you feel if the sister were to be killed?
 
2013-02-08 01:32:34 PM
NEWSFLASH:  People lie.

/pretty much constantly.
 
2013-02-08 01:32:40 PM

Giltric: But Mark Mattiolis testimony still stands and he is still a father of one of the victims right?


No, he didn't engage in the proper narrative, so his testimony is invalid on the ground that his emotions clouded his judgement.
 
2013-02-08 01:33:13 PM
People on the internet are wrong about stuff? Shocking.
 
2013-02-08 01:33:48 PM
He testifies with some deliberately non-specific wording to draw people in to believing that his kid was at ground zero, and yes it is plainly obvious that he wrote and practiced that speech.  He may have even practiced the stamping out of the room closer... it was pretty flawlessly executed.  He was selected to give that speech because he's a good orator, and people could believe that his vague story meant "my kid was at Sandy Hook and I don't give a sh*t about doing anything in response to this, protect my FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOOM!"  *Mic Drop*

But his kid wasn't there, so party foul on his part.  However, it was picked up like a parade banner and charged through the right-wing blogosphere, lighting up facebook feeds nationwide.  Par for the course for bloggers in general; there is no professional ethics or standards in that industry whatsoever.

But then, and here's the kicker for me: he blames the LIBERAL media.  If TownHall and Breitbart are too "liberal" for you, sir, I think you need to invest in some walls and a moat for your Sandy Hook-area residence.

So what do I see as the problem?  That this is just echo-chamber effects; he obviously listens religiously to or reads conservative media, otherwise why would he even think to disparage the "liberal media" as his first stroke?  His minor deception and the fact that it was trumpeted by that conservative media is yet another example of them saying "a little lie does nothing to our credibility, as long as the conclusion agrees with our pre-established opinion."

No the right-wingers don't have a monopoly on this, but since the right wing is fed from a monopolistic news source their echo chamber is much more focused and disciplined.  I mean, who actually watches MSNBC?
 
2013-02-08 01:34:27 PM

Trapper439: If you lie through your teeth about having lost a child in a tragic event then you are an asshole.

I could claim that my unborn daughter was being anally raped in uteroby Mohamed Atta even at the very moment the plane he was flying was crashing  into the WTC.

That sounds unreasonable and in poor taste, doesn't it?

And yet some of you farkers are defending this lying scumbag piece of shiat.


Well, to be fair, some of us did actually read the article.
 
2013-02-08 01:38:53 PM
I love the link displayed throughout the video, that says "every American needs to think like this man!"
Really, you want to tell me how I need to think? I'm glad we have the 2nd amendment to protect me from your kind.
 
2013-02-08 01:39:28 PM

BlindRaise: jigger: Are pistols incapable of being used in an assault?

A pudding pop can be used in an assault but that doesn't make it an assault weapon. Thanks for playing semantics and failing, meanwhile ignoring the entire point of my original comment, seems about par for the course for liberal arguments around here.


O_o

Assault puddin pop?

I think that may be a Christian metal band.

/ yes, Christian metal is a thing. A very angry thing.
 
2013-02-08 01:39:55 PM

BlindRaise: A pudding pop can be used in an assault but that doesn't make it an assault weapon.


If it was used as a weapon in an assault, you bet your ass it was an assault weapon.

BlindRaise: Thanks for playing semantics and failing, meanwhile ignoring the entire point of my original comment, seems about par for the course for liberal arguments around here.


affordablehousinginstitute.org
 
2013-02-08 01:41:48 PM

studebaker hoch: NEWSFLASH:  People lie.

/pretty much constantly.


Hmm, maybe just maybe the people who reported his being a "Sandy Hook Father" misunderstood him and assumed, yet did not lie? Sometimes people can be honestly wrong, even people you distrust.
 
2013-02-08 01:45:26 PM

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


I've only been partially paying attention to this story, but I thought there was a Sandy Hook Truther movement of some liberal guys portraying themselves as on the gun control side then they got outed.

Wasn't really paying attention so I'm probably mistaken again.
 
2013-02-08 01:47:03 PM

hdhale: Circusdog320: monoski: FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?

Libs just do phony charities and steal the money for themselves

So everybody does it...that's your rebuttal. Obviously you're ok with the lie and cheat part...got it!

How about this...

You are harder on Conservatives than Liberals, not just because they claim the mantle of righteousness and wear it a little too proudly, but because it is EARNED.

This whole line got started because someone made a false generalization about Conservatives as all being liars.  The vast majority of social and political Conservatives are not hypocrites.  However, when you catch one being a hypocrite, in the Liberal's mind, that's grounds for condemning them all.  Bullshiat.  It's something you do to make yourselves feel better about liking the smell of cooking red meat, finding almost childlike joy in shooting a firearm, or secretly wanting to rev up a really fast, gas guzzling sports car and blast down the freeway like a rocket.  It is Liberals who are by in large, hypocrites, not Conservatives.  It is Liberals who need to get the stick out of their ass, not Conservatives.



Just one of the many, many reasons nobody takes your stupid ass seriously.
 
2013-02-08 01:47:45 PM

BlindRaise: You know the "assault rifles" every mainstream media outlet reported as the murder weapons in the sandy hook shooting? Yup, those were not assault weapons they were pistols.


You're an idiot.

/if you post the nbc clip, note the disclaimer at the beginning
 
2013-02-08 01:48:56 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: BlindRaise: You know the "assault rifles" every mainstream media outlet reported as the murder weapons in the sandy hook shooting? Yup, those were not assault weapons they were pistols.

You're an idiot.

/if you post the nbc clip, note the disclaimer at the beginning


First of all, they're call NBC magazines, not NBC clips.  Gosh!

/amidoinitrite?
 
2013-02-08 01:49:00 PM

BlindRaise: You know the "assault rifles" every mainstream media outlet reported as the murder weapons in the sandy hook shooting? Yup, those were not assault weapons they were pistols.


See, there's one of the problems... this guy is deceptive in his address which undermines his credibility.  So when he makes points like "we're looking to enact laws and bans based on the events here, even before the official reports are released in June" I then am left wondering "is he lying about this, too" instead of "good point; cooler heads should prevail."  What other facts is the guy bending?

Columnists in slanted publications use this trick all the time, sneaking in a whopper (this guy's wasn't a whopper) of a group-think falsehood that appeals to the targeted readers' preconceptions and then going into their actual point.  The lie is for the most part unnecessary because those that already agree zip right past it, and those that don't agree will get completely flummoxed by it and stop reading.

This practice serves only to promote a false narrative among supporters, since the unconverted won't get to the meat of the story.
 
2013-02-08 01:49:45 PM
Old story, the media said his kid went there he didn't, you people only read what you want
Obamas kids don't go there and yet he uses Sandy Hook for his own personal/political agenda, but no one else is allowed
Where did he find the black kid, all the pictures i've seen of sandy hook were of only white kids
just like the super bowl, had to throw Keys in the mix just for some color


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-08 01:50:02 PM

jigger: If it was used as a weapon in an assault, you bet your ass it was an assault weapon.


You're right man, you win. For clarification I would like to edit my original comment from:

You know the "assault rifles" every mainstream media outlet reported as the murder weapons in the sandy hook shooting? Yup, those were not assault weapons they were pistols.

TO:

You know the "assault rifles" every mainstream media outlet reported as the murder weapons in the sandy hook shooting? Yup, those were not assault RIFLES they were pistols.
 
2013-02-08 01:56:14 PM
I kinda feel sorry for Obama. Here he is trying to make the country a better place, and he has to contend with 30 years of deliberate republican herpaderp that has turned an entire generation into a mob of yowling, ugly, near-violent fatasses who worship stupidity and loathe science itself. Even the people of the 70's would facepalm at us in their polyester leisure suits and bell-bottom jeans.
 
2013-02-08 01:57:32 PM

vernonFL: Why can't the liberal media get its facts straight?


Brought that into reality for you. The quality of media overall is abysmal in their reporting of facts.
 
2013-02-08 01:58:45 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: You're an idiot.

/if you post the nbc clip, note the disclaimer at the beginning


Your sources are outdated. Federal Investigations, coroner reports, etc. have proven that no assault-rifle style weapon was used, that the murder weapons were pistols. This has been known since January but not publicized because it does not fit with the anti-gun narrative. Please get up to speed and put down the koolaid before hurling insults.
 
2013-02-08 01:59:29 PM

BlindRaise: they were pistols.


No.

Before you post your NBC clip note the disclaimer at the beginning and the fact that it is from less than 24 hrs after the shooting.
 
2013-02-08 02:00:27 PM

BlindRaise: the murder weapons were pistols.


Cite.
 
2013-02-08 02:01:40 PM

TV's Vinnie: I kinda feel sorry for Obama. Here he is trying to make the country a better place, and he has to contend with 30 years of deliberate republican herpaderp that has turned an entire generation into a mob of yowling, ugly, near-violent fatasses who worship stupidity and loathe science itself. Even the people of the 70's would facepalm at us in their polyester leisure suits and bell-bottom jeans.


Aw shucks golly gee. Poor ol' Obama just trying to do good and is being held back by the man
 
2013-02-08 02:01:50 PM

ALC59: Old story, the media said his kid went there he didn't, you people only read what you want
Obamas kids don't go there and yet he uses Sandy Hook for his own personal/political agenda, but no one else is allowed
Where did he find the black kid, all the pictures i've seen of sandy hook were of only white kids
just like the super bowl, had to throw Keys in the mix just for some color


[i.imgur.com image 371x500]


Hitler was also a Muslim.  Study it out!
 
2013-02-08 02:02:13 PM

talulahgosh: Crotchrocket Slim: talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?

Given that the only reason people listened to him was he let people think he had a child in Sandy Hook Elementary it's a pretty huge deal. If that was unimportant why didn't he set the record straight immediately?

Oh right he's someone you agree with so he is beyond criticism.

i'm not saying i agree or disagree with what he's saying.  but really, did he ever say he had a kid there?  people jumped to the wrong conclusions.
and IT'S A YOUTUBE VIDEO, GET OVER IT.

i, for one, do not get my information from youtube.  i get my entertainment there.  so if something on youtube is incorrect, i am 100% not surprised.


Honestly I don't really care one way or another but I'm not going to pretend others don't and were swayed by his omission.

There's been way to much pathos regarding firearm legislation from either side, though right now I feel the need to flame the side wanting to kill the conversation completely.
 
2013-02-08 02:05:19 PM
Even before reading the article, I didn't get any impression from watching the video that this guy's daughter attended Sandy Hook. He didn't even mention the place until he was talking about someone else. Yes, his daughter was on lock-down. The entire state of Connecticut was that day.

Why is there so much confusion and anger about this?
 
2013-02-08 02:07:04 PM

Rapmaster2000: ALC59: Old story, the media said his kid went there he didn't, you people only read what you want
Obamas kids don't go there and yet he uses Sandy Hook for his own personal/political agenda, but no one else is allowed
Where did he find the black kid, all the pictures i've seen of sandy hook were of only white kids
just like the super bowl, had to throw Keys in the mix just for some color


[i.imgur.com image 371x500]

Hitler was also a Muslim.  Study it out!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rrjU-HBkmLE
 
2013-02-08 02:10:34 PM

screwzloos: Even before reading the article, I didn't get any impression from watching the video that this guy's daughter attended Sandy Hook. He didn't even mention the place until he was talking about someone else. Yes, his daughter was on lock-down. The entire state of Connecticut was that day.

Why is there so much confusion and anger about this?


I didn't rtfa at first. I then made the cardinal sin of thinking a Fark headline wasn't full of shiat.

But once I realized my mistake I remember watching this guy speak the day he did. I watched a lot of testimonials from thy CT townhall that day. Almost everyone was overwhelmingly pro 2A
Meanwhile, we keep getting these manufactured controversies from the event, such as this one or the sandy hook father being supposedly being heckled. It's all patently rediculous, and I'm pretty sure those on this sight that lament the "manufactured GOP outrages" also willingly hop on board this stupid train of fauxtroversies
 
2013-02-08 02:11:55 PM

Trapper439: If you lie through your teeth about having lost a child in a tragic event then you are an asshole.

I could claim that my unborn daughter was being anally raped in uteroby Mohamed Atta even at the very moment the plane he was flying was crashing  into the WTC.

That sounds unreasonable and in poor taste, doesn't it?

And yet some of you farkers are defending this lying scumbag piece of shiat.



And here you have the subtle, but devastatingly effective "I'm pretending I didn't read the thread - this is your chance to land a broadside" troll.

6/10 definitely.
 
2013-02-08 02:14:11 PM

screwzloos: Why is there so much confusion and anger about this?


"On Sunday, roughly a week after Stevens spoke at the hearing and the same day the clip in question was posted, the Examiner reported matter-of-factly that Stevens' daughter, Victoria, "attended Sandy Hook Elementary school, scene of the mass shooting in December." The following day, Brietbart.com stated plainly that she had "survived the crime at Sandy Hook." On Tuesday, the Daily Caller did the same, explaining that she had "survived the tragic Sandy Hook Elementary shooting." We heard a similar story from Townhall.com, as well as from a spate of other conservative sites."

/not confused or angry
 
2013-02-08 02:14:51 PM

screwzloos: Even before reading the article, I didn't get any impression from watching the video that this guy's daughter attended Sandy Hook. He didn't even mention the place until he was talking about someone else. Yes, his daughter was on lock-down. The entire state of Connecticut was that day.

Why is there so much confusion and anger about this?


The fark tag says "dumbass" so many farkers just kind of assume he is a dumbass conservative who lied on purpose.

Now as for his "liberal media" comment he should have provided evidence the liberally minded media screwed this up and not all media. The slate article points out many conservative sites that farked it up. Now he sounds like a political hack.
 
2013-02-08 02:17:57 PM

occamswrist: screwzloos: Even before reading the article, I didn't get any impression from watching the video that this guy's daughter attended Sandy Hook. He didn't even mention the place until he was talking about someone else. Yes, his daughter was on lock-down. The entire state of Connecticut was that day.

Why is there so much confusion and anger about this?

The fark tag says "dumbass" so many farkers just kind of assume he is a dumbass conservative who lied on purpose.

Now as for his "liberal media" comment he should have provided evidence the liberally minded media screwed this up and not all media. The slate article points out many conservative sites that farked it up. Now he sounds like a political hack.


Whatever. Fark would be cheering him if he decried the conservative media. No need to feel defensive. There's plenty of echo chamber threads on this site that you might prefer.
 
2013-02-08 02:22:55 PM

Frank N Stein: occamswrist: screwzloos: Even before reading the article, I didn't get any impression from watching the video that this guy's daughter attended Sandy Hook. He didn't even mention the place until he was talking about someone else. Yes, his daughter was on lock-down. The entire state of Connecticut was that day.

Why is there so much confusion and anger about this?

The fark tag says "dumbass" so many farkers just kind of assume he is a dumbass conservative who lied on purpose.

Now as for his "liberal media" comment he should have provided evidence the liberally minded media screwed this up and not all media. The slate article points out many conservative sites that farked it up. Now he sounds like a political hack.

Whatever. Fark would be cheering him if he decried the conservative media. No need to feel defensive. There's plenty of echo chamber threads on this site that you might prefer.


I agree fark would cheer him for that. Farkers have no clue about all the shiat liberals do that is well documented on conservative sites.

Unfortunately the conservative sites are 90% shiat anyways so you always have to keep your head about you.
 
2013-02-08 02:22:55 PM

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


Yes. Not because it directly refutes it, but because it revokes his standing as his opinion having some kind of special status worth caring about. The father of a survivor of the Sandy Hook massacre says something, people want to listen. The father of a girl who goes to school a mile away? Not so much.
 
2013-02-08 02:25:45 PM
If you name your gun, especially something like "Victoria", you're a farking asshole and should be on a watch list.
/this is not up for debate.
//executive order.
 
2013-02-08 02:28:08 PM
ALC59:
[i.imgur.com image 371x500]

When did Hitler ban firearms? I'm sure, you can cite a historical document, and not just NRA propaganda, right?
 
2013-02-08 02:29:08 PM

Frank N Stein: occamswrist: screwzloos: Even before reading the article, I didn't get any impression from watching the video that this guy's daughter attended Sandy Hook. He didn't even mention the place until he was talking about someone else. Yes, his daughter was on lock-down. The entire state of Connecticut was that day.

Why is there so much confusion and anger about this?

The fark tag says "dumbass" so many farkers just kind of assume he is a dumbass conservative who lied on purpose.

Now as for his "liberal media" comment he should have provided evidence the liberally minded media screwed this up and not all media. The slate article points out many conservative sites that farked it up. Now he sounds like a political hack.

Whatever. Fark would be cheering him if he decried the conservative media. No need to feel defensive. There's plenty of echo chamber threads on this site that you might prefer.


Every ideology has echo chambers.

The smart folk in this thread read the article and realized he didn't lie, it was all just blown out of proportion. His opinion is irrelevant, but was given false relevance.
 
2013-02-08 02:31:54 PM

LavenderWolf: talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?

Yes. Not because it directly refutes it, but because it revokes his standing as his opinion having some kind of special status worth caring about. The father of a survivor of the Sandy Hook massacre says something, people want to listen. The father of a girl who goes to school a mile away? Not so much.


Where in his testimony does he claim his daughter goes to Sandy Hook?
 
2013-02-08 02:33:57 PM

occamswrist: Unfortunately the conservative sites are 90% shiat anyways so you always have to keep your head about you.


Point taken
 
2013-02-08 02:38:42 PM

LavenderWolf: Frank N Stein: occamswrist: screwzloos: Even before reading the article, I didn't get any impression from watching the video that this guy's daughter attended Sandy Hook. He didn't even mention the place until he was talking about someone else. Yes, his daughter was on lock-down. The entire state of Connecticut was that day.

Why is there so much confusion and anger about this?

The fark tag says "dumbass" so many farkers just kind of assume he is a dumbass conservative who lied on purpose.

Now as for his "liberal media" comment he should have provided evidence the liberally minded media screwed this up and not all media. The slate article points out many conservative sites that farked it up. Now he sounds like a political hack.

Whatever. Fark would be cheering him if he decried the conservative media. No need to feel defensive. There's plenty of echo chamber threads on this site that you might prefer.

Every ideology has echo chambers.

The smart folk in this thread read the article and realized he didn't lie, it was all just blown out of proportion. His opinion is irrelevant, but was given false relevance.


If you agreed with him I'm sure you'd say his opinion was relevant or at the very least you wouldn't claim its irrelevant.
 
2013-02-08 02:40:12 PM
Rosa Parks was a liberal plant! Roe has spoken out against legalized abortion!
 
2013-02-08 02:47:58 PM

Ablejack: Rosa Parks was a liberal plant! Roe has spoken out against legalized abortion!


A 16 year old unmarried pregnant black girl refused to give up her seat on a bus shortly before the Rosa Parks incident but that case was not given publicity because it didn't look good.

I think I read this in "A people's history of the U.S." A great book and I highly recommend it.

It is very left wing and gives a different perspective on us history from what we learned in school.
 
2013-02-08 02:56:41 PM

BlindRaise: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: You're an idiot.

/if you post the nbc clip, note the disclaimer at the beginning

Your sources are outdated. Federal Investigations, coroner reports, etc. have proven that no assault-rifle style weapon was used, that the murder weapons were pistols. This has been known since January but not publicized because it does not fit with the anti-gun narrative. Please get up to speed and put down the koolaid before hurling insults.


Feel free to share your sources.
 
2013-02-08 03:02:30 PM
FFS IT WAS NOT THE "MEDIA" THAT MISREPORTED THIS.

IT WAS THE RIGHT WING ECHO MACHINE.

They ran with an easily vetted youtube piece and didn't think twice about verifying it because it fit their narrative. That is what I am seeing as the difference between "liberals" and "conservatives". Liberals think life is like a fluid body of water and try to make informed decisions with at least a nod to the other opinions, conservatives have a book that spells out the end so everything must be in a certain order. They need things to fit their narrative because when the narrative drops, so does their control and their ability to keep it together. The narrative is their life, it brings them power, and they have to uphold that at all costs, even the cost of just being honest.
 
2013-02-08 03:15:28 PM
Well then, that changes everything! Instead of being some anonymous father whose daughter happens to go to a certain school, he's an anonymous father whose daughter goes to a different school a little ways away. That certainly changes my views on gun control! I can't believe how misguided I was before! Damn you, anonymous father whose daughter goes to the wrong school! Damn you to hell!!
 
2013-02-08 03:19:38 PM
Did the cops ever produce how he entered the school?
Any video of the shooter at the school?
Was the dead shooter shown to press?
Any bodies shown to reporters to verify shootings?

Need this or it didn't happen.
 
2013-02-08 03:20:38 PM
Uh, he is a resident of Sandy Hook and he is a father.

Pretty sure that qualifies as a "Sandy Hook father". He did not claim to have any children currently attending SHES. Listening to his whole statement, "surviving" is used on the communal context, "we all lived through this".

But keep grasping for straws!
 
2013-02-08 03:25:54 PM

gadian: Shryke: To all you dolts insisting he lied, try reading the farking article.

I'm more than willing to bet the farm that he was intentionally "ambiguous".  He knew what people would think and yet he has plausible deniability.


So it's a thought crime then?
 
2013-02-08 03:26:38 PM

Circusdog320: monos


Circusdog320: monoski: FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?

Libs just do phony charities and steal the money for themselves

So everybody does it...that's your rebuttal. Obviously you're ok with the lie and cheat part...got it!


No I am not okay with either I think pretty much everybody who speaks out on these tragic is a scumbag attention whore.
 
2013-02-08 03:29:17 PM

Nightsweat: A gun freak lying? Color me shocked.


You (and others) seem to have missed the part where the article explains the confusion was not caused by the speaker, who has been clear from the start - that his daughter was in lock-down at her school one mile from the shootings.  In fact, he's gone out of his way to notify the incompetent media who inaccurately termed him a 'Sandy Hook Father'.
 
2013-02-08 03:30:11 PM

kellyclan: Uh, he is a resident of Sandy Hook and he is a father.

Pretty sure that qualifies as a "Sandy Hook father". He did not claim to have any children currently attending SHES. Listening to his whole statement, "surviving" is used on the communal context, "we all lived through this".

But keep grasping for straws!


You're confusing the name of the school with the name of the town, spectacularly.

And the right wing "press" made the claims, not the father or the left.
 
2013-02-08 03:30:56 PM

ALC59: Old story, the media said his kid went there he didn't, you people only read what you want
Obamas kids don't go there and yet he uses Sandy Hook for his own personal/political agenda, but no one else is allowed
Where did he find the black kid, all the pictures i've seen of sandy hook were of only white kids
just like the super bowl, had to throw Keys in the mix just for some color


[i.imgur.com image 371x500]


As someone who lost most of my family and history in the holocaust, I think I'm qualified to say that anyone who would make any kind of a comparison between Hitler and Obama for the sake of this political pissing match has MUCH more in common with the ideals and the character of Adolph Hitler and the Nazi Party than those you accuse.

/tagged "neo-nazi asshole"

//DIAF, DIAF today you worthless POS
 
2013-02-08 03:43:08 PM

udhq: ALC59: Old story, the media said his kid went there he didn't, you people only read what you want
Obamas kids don't go there and yet he uses Sandy Hook for his own personal/political agenda, but no one else is allowed
Where did he find the black kid, all the pictures i've seen of sandy hook were of only white kids
just like the super bowl, had to throw Keys in the mix just for some color


[i.imgur.com image 371x500]

As someone who lost most of my family and history in the holocaust, I think I'm qualified to say that anyone who would make any kind of a comparison between Hitler and Obama for the sake of this political pissing match has MUCH more in common with the ideals and the character of Adolph Hitler and the Nazi Party than those you accuse.

/tagged "neo-nazi asshole"

//DIAF, DIAF today you worthless POS


How so?
 
2013-02-08 03:46:32 PM

Frank N Stein: udhq: ALC59: Old story, the media said his kid went there he didn't, you people only read what you want
Obamas kids don't go there and yet he uses Sandy Hook for his own personal/political agenda, but no one else is allowed
Where did he find the black kid, all the pictures i've seen of sandy hook were of only white kids
just like the super bowl, had to throw Keys in the mix just for some color


[i.imgur.com image 371x500]

As someone who lost most of my family and history in the holocaust, I think I'm qualified to say that anyone who would make any kind of a comparison between Hitler and Obama for the sake of this political pissing match has MUCH more in common with the ideals and the character of Adolph Hitler and the Nazi Party than those you accuse.

/tagged "neo-nazi asshole"

//DIAF, DIAF today you worthless POS

How so?


You know what, I take that back. I was going to make a stupid comment about your family's history doesn't make you an expert at blah blah blah but it would have been insensitive and assholish so I apologize.
 
2013-02-08 03:51:16 PM
While we're on the subject of gun control, if you need a 15 round magazine to protect your home as opposed to a 10 round one, shouldn't you be more worried about your marksmanship?
 
2013-02-08 03:54:01 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?

Given that the only reason people listened to him was he let people think he had a child in Sandy Hook Elementary it's a pretty huge deal. If that was unimportant why didn't he set the record straight immediately?

Oh right he's someone you agree with so he is beyond criticism.



He never claimed to be a Sandy Hook parent and actually refuted it on several occasions.Unfortunately the media was already in full WHARRGARBL mode, so no one bothered to listen.
 
2013-02-08 04:12:17 PM
Guys he didn't "lie." He only "deceived."

It matters, for reasons...
 
2013-02-08 04:12:56 PM

zarberg: While we're on the subject of gun control, if you need a 15 round magazine to protect your home as opposed to a 10 round one, shouldn't you be more worried about your marksmanship?


Shut the fark up.
 
2013-02-08 04:14:37 PM
Also, please remember, it's the Liberals who make knee jerk decisions based on emotional appeal.

Don't forget that.
 
2013-02-08 04:19:41 PM

zarberg: While we're on the subject of gun control, if you need a 15 round magazine to protect your home as opposed to a 10 round one, shouldn't you be more worried about your marksmanship?


No. Next question.
 
2013-02-08 04:22:43 PM

Deep Contact: Did the cops ever produce how he entered the school?
Any video of the shooter at the school?
Was the dead shooter shown to press?
Any bodies shown to reporters to verify shootings?

Need this or it didn't happen.


4/10. good job, good effort.

/cops don't pull reporters over to the bodies to prove that murders actually happened. anywhere. ever.
 
2013-02-08 04:23:44 PM

gadian: Shryke: To all you dolts insisting he lied, try reading the farking article.

I'm more than willing to bet the farm that he was intentionally "ambiguous".  He knew what people would think and yet he has plausible deniability.


I live in Georgia about 4 miles from where a home invasion happened where a woman, home alone with her kids, shot the intruder 5 times. It was national news, you might have heard about it. You had better believe I've been double-checking my locks and getting my wife some practice time at the range.

But, then again, I wasn't actually IN the house where the home invasion happened, and it wasn't MY wife and kids who were in danger, so I wasn't really affected by it in any way. It's not like it hit too close to home or anything.
 
2013-02-08 04:27:02 PM
jigger

studebaker hoch: NEWSFLASH: People lie./pretty much constantly.

Hmm, maybe just maybe the people who reported his being a "Sandy Hook Father" misunderstood him and assumed, yet did not lie? Sometimes people can be honestly wrong, even people you distrust.


The best liars never actually lie.

"We never said that".

/ Life is trying to beat seven billion people at their own game.
 
2013-02-08 04:27:18 PM

justtray: Guys he didn't "lie." He only "deceived."

It matters, for reasons...


I suppose if one's retarded, his speech could have deceived.
 
2013-02-08 04:31:12 PM

Frank N Stein: justtray: Guys he didn't "lie." He only "deceived."

It matters, for reasons...

I suppose if one's retarded, his speech could have deceived.


Coming from someone who has me tagged as being a liar, I find that quite ironic. How do you manage to handle that cognitive dissonance?
 
2013-02-08 04:33:33 PM
Let's be clear about this; Bill Stevens didn't lie in his testimony.

Breitbart, Townhall, and the rest of the right-wingnut blogosphere did.

That is all.
 
2013-02-08 04:34:19 PM

justtray: Frank N Stein: justtray: Guys he didn't "lie." He only "deceived."

It matters, for reasons...

I suppose if one's retarded, his speech could have deceived.

Coming from someone who has me tagged as being a liar, I find that quite ironic. How do you manage to handle that cognitive dissonance?


I don't have you tagged as being a liar.
 
2013-02-08 04:36:04 PM

Hickory-smoked: Let's be clear about this; Bill Stevens didn't lie in his testimony.

Breitbart, Townhall, and the rest of the right-wingnut blogosphere did.

That is all.


This is true. These people, I suppose you pin them as being on "my side", were chomping at the bit to get a pro-gun person who was close to the Sandy Hook shooting. Either by willful lying or terrible oversight, they marked this guy as their man.
 
2013-02-08 04:41:39 PM

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


You imply that "liberals" never lie and cheat to win. If you believe that, I have a nice piece of land I'd like you to take a look at. It's a bargain. Really. Super good deal.
 
2013-02-08 04:44:57 PM

SurelyShirley: ALC59:
[i.imgur.com image 371x500]

When did Hitler ban firearms? I'm sure, you can cite a historical document, and not just NRA propaganda, right?


He can't. Because it's a lie.

On the other hand, I can verify that Hitler only banned firearms in the hands of the perceived enemies of the Nazi party, such as Jews and Communists, at the same time he was enacting other laws to deny them basically ALL fundamental rights as German citizens.

He actually repealed Weimar law that prohibited general gun ownership.

Peer review, biatches:

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf
 
2013-02-08 04:49:24 PM

Frank N Stein: justtray: Frank N Stein: justtray: Guys he didn't "lie." He only "deceived."

It matters, for reasons...

I suppose if one's retarded, his speech could have deceived.

Coming from someone who has me tagged as being a liar, I find that quite ironic. How do you manage to handle that cognitive dissonance?

I don't have you tagged as being a liar.


I retract my statement then. I know you have me tagged as a derogitory homosexual term, however, since you were so willing to share it. I guess I assumed it was being used as an acronym for liar.
 
2013-02-08 04:55:34 PM

gadian: Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that he wasn't a Sandy Hook father doesn't negate what he said.

Yeah, it does.  He was making an appeal to an emotion to which he has no real connection.  It is essentially a lie in this context.


Watch the video of the guy's testimony before speaking of context.
 
2013-02-08 05:00:20 PM

eggrolls: SurelyShirley: ALC59:
[i.imgur.com image 371x500]

When did Hitler ban firearms? I'm sure, you can cite a historical document, and not just NRA propaganda, right?

He can't. Because it's a lie.

On the other hand, I can verify that Hitler only banned firearms in the hands of the perceived enemies of the Nazi party, such as Jews and Communists, at the same time he was enacting other laws to deny them basically ALL fundamental rights as German citizens.

He actually repealed Weimar law that prohibited general gun ownership.

Peer review, biatches:

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf


Hey, man.  Don't let facts and reality in get in the way of what we know feels right.
 
2013-02-08 05:01:05 PM

over_and_done: Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Agreed. The next time some fruitloop goes off and start hosing down people with an automatic weapon, I sincerely hope this jackass takes a bullet. Or maybe he lives and somebody close to his heart takes a bullet. See how ACTUAL grief feels, farkhead.


I'd like you to provide a single citation of a fully automatic weapon used in a massacre in the last 20, 30, or hell, 50 years. You can't.
 
2013-02-08 05:03:45 PM

tgambitg: over_and_done: Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Agreed. The next time some fruitloop goes off and start hosing down people with an automatic weapon, I sincerely hope this jackass takes a bullet. Or maybe he lives and somebody close to his heart takes a bullet. See how ACTUAL grief feels, farkhead.

I'd like you to provide a single citation of a fully automatic weapon used in a massacre in the last 20, 30, or hell, 50 years. You can't.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre
 
2013-02-08 05:09:58 PM

stampylives: tgambitg: over_and_done: Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Agreed. The next time some fruitloop goes off and start hosing down people with an automatic weapon, I sincerely hope this jackass takes a bullet. Or maybe he lives and somebody close to his heart takes a bullet. See how ACTUAL grief feels, farkhead.

I'd like you to provide a single citation of a fully automatic weapon used in a massacre in the last 20, 30, or hell, 50 years. You can't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre


Let's get a little more current:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

The only fatalities were the shooters, but not for want of trying on their part.
 
2013-02-08 05:12:18 PM

eggrolls: stampylives: tgambitg: over_and_done: Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Agreed. The next time some fruitloop goes off and start hosing down people with an automatic weapon, I sincerely hope this jackass takes a bullet. Or maybe he lives and somebody close to his heart takes a bullet. See how ACTUAL grief feels, farkhead.

I'd like you to provide a single citation of a fully automatic weapon used in a massacre in the last 20, 30, or hell, 50 years. You can't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

Let's get a little more current:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

The only fatalities were the shooters, but not for want of trying on their part.


Kinda hard to call that a "massacre" though.
 
2013-02-08 05:16:35 PM
He never said he was.  He's from the town and has a daughter of similar age.

A bunch of butt hurt liberals trying to make something out of nothing to further their anti-gun agenda.
 
2013-02-08 05:20:48 PM
I think at this point we are all Sandy Hook fathers, brothers, mothers and sisters.


/Not really
//Anyone want to go target shooting?
 
2013-02-08 05:25:15 PM

Phony_Soldier: I think at this point we are all Sandy Hook fathers, brothers, mothers and sisters.


/Not really
//Anyone want to go target shooting?


I broke the dam.
 
2013-02-08 05:29:04 PM

stampylives: tgambitg: over_and_done: Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Agreed. The next time some fruitloop goes off and start hosing down people with an automatic weapon, I sincerely hope this jackass takes a bullet. Or maybe he lives and somebody close to his heart takes a bullet. See how ACTUAL grief feels, farkhead.

I'd like you to provide a single citation of a fully automatic weapon used in a massacre in the last 20, 30, or hell, 50 years. You can't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre


Ok, I should have been more clear. Militaries massacre all the time. And they have access to automatic weapons. A civilian shooter causing a massacre with automatic weapons, in the US.

The point I was trying to make was that civilian ownership of true assault rifles is extremely limited. Just because something looks big and scary, doesn't mean it will put out a hail of bullets in a short amount of time. Every weapon used in a 'massacre' lately has been a single shot per trigger pull weapon. But that won't stop idiots from claiming that these people have automatic weapons, or describing semi-autos as being able to do what is exclusively in the realm of automatic weapons. That's where I think a lot of people who are in favor of regulations (that would not really change the body count or severity of these awful events) mess up. They aren't educated on what these weapons can or cannot do, but instead rely on emotions to guide them, which is always a bad thing when it comes to legislation. (re: PATRIOT Act, and others of that nature)
 
2013-02-08 06:38:48 PM
I just have to say this is just SOOO TYPICAL of the lying we have come to expect from wing nuts and conservatards. This asshole lied about having his child killed IN FRONT OF CONGRESS!!! WHAT KIND OF SICK SICK DERANGED ANIMAL DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT?!?!?!

Luckily these lies only do them more harm than good as it gives us more ammo we need as we debunk them. That's the difference between us and them, our side as FACTS, wing nuts have lies and emotions.

fark you wing nuts. Yes we are coming for your guns! Get ready because the elected government has more than you
 
2013-02-08 07:03:33 PM
talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?

Weaver95: pretty much, yeah.


How so? What did he say that is suddenly not true because it wasn't his kid who got killed?
 
2013-02-08 07:07:35 PM
FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Republicans see the other side as the enemy, as un-American.  The Democrats are sane enough to realize that we are all the same nation and that differing opinions can in fact co-exist.


Unless, of course, you happen to disagree with them.
 
2013-02-08 07:21:52 PM
FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?

When liberals post shiat like this, only to find out it wasn't a lie/cheat, how does that make you feel?  Does it make you realize that you are no different that the Sean Hannities or Rush's?  Of course not, other wise you wouldnt be posting that shiat to begin with
 
2013-02-08 07:40:41 PM
Since when was he ever a father of one of the dead Sandy Hook children?  He says quite clearly when introducting himself that his daughter was from another class in Sandy Hooks Elementary.  Not the one that got shot.  What farking idiots in the media would feel the need to lie to say his kid was one of them?
 
2013-02-08 07:40:43 PM
Paranoid GOP guntards lying? GTFO!
 
2013-02-08 07:44:57 PM

ChuDogg: I just have to say this is just SOOO TYPICAL of the lying we have come to expect from wing nuts and conservatards. This asshole lied about having his child killed IN FRONT OF CONGRESS!!! WHAT KIND OF SICK SICK DERANGED ANIMAL DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT?!?!?!

Luckily these lies only do them more harm than good as it gives us more ammo we need as we debunk them. That's the difference between us and them, our side as FACTS, wing nuts have lies and emotions.

fark you wing nuts. Yes we are coming for your guns! Get ready because the elected government has more than you


You didn't even read the article.
 
2013-02-08 08:04:23 PM

Diogenes: Buncha vultures on both "sides" using this situation.  Pretty sick.


I wouldn't call the real parents vultures, would you? I wouldn't call Rep Giffords a vulture, would YOU?
 
2013-02-08 08:06:30 PM

ALC59: Old story, the media said his kid went there he didn't, you people only read what you want
Obamas kids don't go there and yet he uses Sandy Hook for his own personal/political agenda, but no one else is allowed
Where did he find the black kid, all the pictures i've seen of sandy hook were of only white kids
just like the super bowl, had to throw Keys in the mix just for some color


I don't know if you're a troll and frankly I don't care. I do know that either way your post was the lowest of the low here on Fark and that's saying something!
 
2013-02-08 08:23:59 PM

Novart: You didn't even read the article.


I'm pretty sure he was trying to imply that "this is what librul's really think!"...which they don't... mostly... and the ones that do can f*ck off just a hard and fast as the right wing whackanuts.
 
2013-02-08 08:26:18 PM

cretinbob: Paranoid GOP guntards lying? GTFO!


I know right? It's kind of expected from the anti gun crowd what with all their crooked and cooked statistics. It wouldn't be as shocking as when the pro gun side who does not have a history of lying does it....but in this case the guy didn't lie, so you have that going for you, which is nice.
 
2013-02-08 08:28:09 PM
Oh and when that other dad's speech got edited to make it look like he was being heckled... well that was just as slimy as this. He asked a question and some people answered... a little stupidly and dickishly but they didn't interrupt him like the first edits flying around made it look like.

I went through a half dozen versions trying to find an unedited clip because it looked very suspicious. Sure enough I eventually found one buried in teh youtubes.
 
2013-02-08 08:36:53 PM

Giltric: cretinbob: Paranoid GOP guntards lying? GTFO!

I know right? It's kind of expected from the anti gun crowd what with all their crooked and cooked statistics. It wouldn't be as shocking as when the pro gun side who does not have a history of lying does it....but in this case the guy didn't lie, so you have that going for you, which is nice.


He didn't "technically" lie but he worded things in a way to mislead the listener into believing his daughter was in the school. The guy is a disingenuous sheister with an agenda. His crassness and jingoistic puppet show while using those dead kids as a soapbox was disgusting. He had NOTHING to offer to the discussion and the only reason anyone has heard of him was because he twisted the truth.

He is scum as are those who spread his scumbaggery. I bet the only reason he cleared things up was because he knew he was eventually gonna get called out for it after it started going national.
 
2013-02-08 08:55:37 PM

here to help: He didn't "technically" lie but he worded things in a way to mislead the listener into believing his daughter was in the school.


my name is bill stevens i live in newtown my 5th grade daughter was in lockdown on dec 14th 2012 unfortunately her classmates little sister was murdered in SH that day when lockdown and 911 wasnt enough to protect her from an evil person.

Still not seeing the lie or misleading statement.

Alot of people think lockdown is assinine.....especially after Cho went classroom to classroom shooting people who locked themselves in their classrooms....

They even do a lockdown for a bomb threat.......how many victims do they want?
 
2013-02-08 09:29:34 PM

Frank N Stein: eggrolls: stampylives: tgambitg: over_and_done: Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Agreed. The next time some fruitloop goes off and start hosing down people with an automatic weapon, I sincerely hope this jackass takes a bullet. Or maybe he lives and somebody close to his heart takes a bullet. See how ACTUAL grief feels, farkhead.

I'd like you to provide a single citation of a fully automatic weapon used in a massacre in the last 20, 30, or hell, 50 years. You can't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

Let's get a little more current:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

The only fatalities were the shooters, but not for want of trying on their part.

Kinda hard to call that a "massacre" though.


Agreed, but the incident was hardly a ringing endorsement for all those AR-15 fetishists out there.
 
2013-02-09 12:50:33 AM

eggrolls: Frank N Stein: eggrolls: stampylives: tgambitg: over_and_done: Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Agreed. The next time some fruitloop goes off and start hosing down people with an automatic weapon, I sincerely hope this jackass takes a bullet. Or maybe he lives and somebody close to his heart takes a bullet. See how ACTUAL grief feels, farkhead.

I'd like you to provide a single citation of a fully automatic weapon used in a massacre in the last 20, 30, or hell, 50 years. You can't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

Let's get a little more current:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

The only fatalities were the shooters, but not for want of trying on their part.

Kinda hard to call that a "massacre" though.

Agreed, but the incident was hardly a ringing endorsement for all those AR-15 fetishists out there.


But the weapons that they used were fundamentally different from standard AR-15s.
 
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