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(Slate)   You know that "Sandy Hook father" who spoke so eloquently on behalf of gun rights and vowed that the government would take his right to protect his daughter from his "cold, dead hands?" Yup, he's not a Sandy Hook father   (slate.com) divider line 217
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2013-02-08 09:37:49 AM  
Why can't the liberal media get its facts straight?

Lamestream drive by limosine liberal Hollywood Ivory tower pointy head Upper West side Media running roughshod over the truth. No surprises here.
 
2013-02-08 09:40:02 AM  
and I was just joking the other day when I said he was an actor.
 
2013-02-08 09:42:41 AM  
Caught int he lie. What to do, what to do?  Blame the media!


"Unlike the Liberal media who don't let facts get in the way, I just wanted to let you know that my daughter does not attend Sandy Hook Elementary"
 
2013-02-08 09:44:46 AM  
so that negates what he said then?
 
2013-02-08 09:47:52 AM  

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


It puts it in a very different context.
 
2013-02-08 09:53:25 AM  

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


pretty much, yeah.
 
2013-02-08 09:55:24 AM  

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


pretty much.
 
2013-02-08 10:15:17 AM  

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


I certainly devalues his contribution.
 
2013-02-08 10:17:54 AM  
why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?
 
2013-02-08 10:25:14 AM  

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


Because telling the truth and playing by the rules is a surefire way for them to get their asses handed to them on a silver platter.
 
2013-02-08 10:25:23 AM  
Buncha vultures on both "sides" using this situation.  Pretty sick.
 
2013-02-08 10:25:32 AM  
The fact that he wasn't a Sandy Hook father doesn't negate what he said.  I have always thought that it was a bad idea to make policy based on the emotions of a victim of a crime.  Policy should come from reasoned thought and debate.  Just like I don't want the families of murder victims to control death penalty policy, neither do I want the families of Sandy Hook victims to dictate gun control policy, either for more gun control or less.

That said, the fact that his daughter was one mile away and was clearly personally affected, while not negating what he said, should be taken for what it is: emotion.  We should listen to these people for sure, but need to take it with a grain of salt.
 
2013-02-08 10:29:51 AM  

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


because they're on the side of the lord god almighty, that's why.
 
2013-02-08 10:34:40 AM  
This is why we'll never have nice things.

Thanks Obama.

/joking on the last line
 
2013-02-08 10:36:42 AM  
When did You Tube become the "media"? And when did incessantly posting a link to Facebook become the "media"?  The way I saw this was someone took the video from the hearings, posted it with their own slant, it went viral and bunch of "news" organization reported it.

Oh wait, I guess that is the media today.
 
2013-02-08 10:39:20 AM  

Ennuipoet: When did You Tube become the "media"? And when did incessantly posting a link to Facebook become the "media"?


About the time every news organization out there decided that objectivity didn't sell ads and they had to have shocking bias 24/7
 
2013-02-08 10:40:13 AM  
The fact that he wasn't from Sandy Hook doesn't negate his testimony.  The fact that is was trite and stupid does.
 
2013-02-08 10:42:46 AM  
It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Now, having said that. Good luck with the high cap mag ban.
 
2013-02-08 10:52:22 AM  
This wasn't really his doing. Some wires were crossed and everyone seems to have just run with it.
 
2013-02-08 10:53:06 AM  
"Sick" tag taking an early lunch break?
 
2013-02-08 10:53:14 AM  

EvilEgg: The fact that he wasn't from Sandy Hook doesn't negate his testimony


It does kind of adjust the value of it though. Mostly what it does is make me want to krotchpunt the people who were trying to use it with the Sandy Hook label to play on the emotions of the people watching it.
 
2013-02-08 10:54:04 AM  

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


Libs just do phony charities and steal the money for themselves
 
2013-02-08 10:54:28 AM  
A gun freak lying? Color me shocked.
 
2013-02-08 10:54:36 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that he wasn't a Sandy Hook father doesn't negate what he said.


Yeah, it does.  He was making an appeal to an emotion to which he has no real connection.  It is essentially a lie in this context.
 
2013-02-08 10:54:42 AM  
"I will tell you here today, you will take my ability to protect my Victoria from my cold, dead hands."

Because little Vicky will surely end up raped, murdered, and raped if you can't have 30 rounds in your AR-15.
 
2013-02-08 10:55:31 AM  
There are actually a couple of "Sandy Hook father" videos out there. One is this guy. The other is a father of one of the kids in the school and he basically says the same thing: banning guns isn't going to stop insane or evil people from doing insane or evil things.
 
2013-02-08 10:55:32 AM  
But he was a still a Nigerian prince, though.  Right?
 
2013-02-08 10:55:45 AM  
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2013-02-08 10:56:00 AM  
vernonFL

Why can't the liberal media get its facts straight?

Fixed for reality.
 
2013-02-08 10:56:22 AM  

Weaver95: talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?

pretty much, yeah.


So given that your sorry butt has nothing to do with anything involved with the story or I would wager anything to do with recent gunviolence stories, I shall just ignore your opinion because according to you the only opinions that count these days are those directly effected...  You know what Im sorry I cant even follow your logic to complete this sentence coherently.
 
2013-02-08 10:56:49 AM  

Frank N Stein: It's sad that someone would lie like this. The parents have been through hell and would GLADLY switch places with you if they could have their kids back. In short, get farked and don't stand on the graves of kids.

Now, having said that. Good luck with the high cap mag ban.


3D guns and wild hogs for everyone!
 
2013-02-08 10:57:21 AM  

To all you dolts insisting he lied, try reading the farking article.

"In fairness to Stevens, the misinformation was not his doing. While his Weenerss were a little ambigious-he said that his daughter "was in lockdown" during the shooting and that "her classmate's little sister was murdered in Sandy Hook that day"-he's already gone out of his way to correct the error,

Thank you for the nice article about my testimony in Hartford. Unlike the Liberal media who don't let facts get in the way, I just wanted to let you know that my daughter does not attend Sandy Hook Elementary, but was in "lock down" nonetheless on December 14, 2012 at Reed Intermediate School (5th & 6th grade) about a mile away with her classmates, one of whom lost his little sister that day.
 
2013-02-08 10:58:21 AM  
It's as if people see thing and make "assumptions" about what they see, and sometimes those "assumptions" are seen to be "wrong" when the thing is seen in "context".
 
2013-02-08 10:58:52 AM  

Nightsweat: A gun freak lying? Color me shocked.


What, specifically, did he state that was proved to be a lie?
 
2013-02-08 10:59:19 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that he wasn't a Sandy Hook father doesn't negate what he said.  I have always thought that it was a bad idea to make policy based on the emotions of a victim of a crime.  Policy should come from reasoned thought and debate.  Just like I don't want the families of murder victims to control death penalty policy, neither do I want the families of Sandy Hook victims to dictate gun control policy, either for more gun control or less.

That said, the fact that his daughter was one mile away and was clearly personally affected, while not negating what he said, should be taken for what it is: emotion.  We should listen to these people for sure, but need to take it with a grain of salt.


but the problem like you said is gun debate unfortunately goes hand in hand with emotions as well. Not much stock is put into 'facts' anymore but rather emotions.. especially  on the pro gun side. It's impossible to have a functional mature debate when one side is 100% convinced it's all about 'the secrit mooslin kenyan wanting to take ALL our guns away!'

Most people who listen to him will listen with their hearts (emotions) not so much with their minds. That alone should negate what he said even if the actual words themselves have meaning to some.
 
2013-02-08 11:00:24 AM  
So why did they let him speak?  It is like he was hired to perform.
 
2013-02-08 11:00:32 AM  

Shryke: To all you dolts insisting he lied, try reading the farking article.


I'm more than willing to bet the farm that he was intentionally "ambiguous".  He knew what people would think and yet he has plausible deniability.
 
2013-02-08 11:00:56 AM  
The following day, Brietbart.com stated plainly that she had "survived the crime at Sandy Hook." On Tuesday, the Daily Caller did the same, explaining that she had "survived the tragic Sandy Hook Elementary shooting." We heard a similar story from Townhall.com, as well as from a spate of other conservative sites.

Unlike the Liberal media who don't let facts get in the way, I just wanted to let you know that my daughter does not attend Sandy Hook Elementary,


Hmmm...
 
2013-02-08 11:01:07 AM  
Haven't really paid attention to this 'til now.  Are we sure he didn't fabricate his precious "Victoria", too?

And is it just me, or do parents have to scream about "My daughter, my daughter, my daughter" a little too much?  Don't young sons need help and protection, too?  Or do we need future Britney Spearses and Hillary Clintons with through-the-roof self-esteems that badly?
 
2013-02-08 11:01:19 AM  

Biness: This wasn't really his doing. Some wires were crossed and everyone seems to have just run with it.


Don't you dare rob the whack jobs of their opportunity to make a logic leap from the stratosphere and declare since someone got a story wrong this guy lied and now more than ever we need to ban handguns and any weapon that contains plastic or shoots bullets.  Don't you do it!

/if a invented a semiauto rifle that would also perform on demand abortions, do you think I could get the loonies in New York State to sign off on it even if it did more than 7 abortions with a single magazine?
 
2013-02-08 11:01:41 AM  

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


Not at all.
 
2013-02-08 11:03:03 AM  
So nice he was able to get a few jokes in there and make the audience guffawOL. Very tasteful.
 
2013-02-08 11:03:05 AM  

gadian: Shryke: To all you dolts insisting he lied, try reading the farking article.

I'm more than willing to bet the farm that he was intentionally "ambiguous".  He knew what people would think and yet he has plausible deniability.


Surely it isn't your biased ear. Ho hum, Slate disagrees with you.
 
2013-02-08 11:03:48 AM  
The court of public opinion is much more important here than the truth, so in that case, this guy won one.  But he should be ashamed of himself.  HE DOES NOT KNOW REALLY WHAT HE WOULD FEEL IF HIS KID WERE INDISCRIMINATELY MOWED DOWN BY A WEAPON OF WAR.  He does not REALLY know how he would then feel about guns.  He's just a Douchebag who's kid was in no danger at all.  BUT to the derp heads, he's a tragic hero and that will not change in the light of the truth.  The public's attention has moved on and this guy served his purpose - not as a father, but as a tool for gun makers.

/why are we all so stupid?
 
2013-02-08 11:05:33 AM  

Shryke: gadian: Shryke: To all you dolts insisting he lied, try reading the farking article.

I'm more than willing to bet the farm that he was intentionally "ambiguous".  He knew what people would think and yet he has plausible deniability.

Surely it isn't your biased ear. Ho hum, Slate disagrees with you.



"Victoria is a fifth-grader at Reed Intermediate School, located about a mile or so from the elementary school that was the scene of the tragic mass shooting. In fairness to Stevens, the misinformation was not his doing."

Clearly he has NO business offering an opinion on the matter.
 
2013-02-08 11:05:55 AM  

FlashHarry: why is it "conservatives" feel they constantly have to lie and cheat to win?


Because fascists and other sociopaths and psychopaths always believe their ends justify their means.

/Malcolm X excluded...by any means necessary
 
2013-02-08 11:05:55 AM  

talulahgosh: so that negates what he said then?


Actually it was his conservative bias that re-framed it.  His words remain the same.  I did not think he was profound, just a strong advocate for owning guns.
 
2013-02-08 11:07:18 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: The fact that he wasn't a Sandy Hook father doesn't negate what he said.  I have always thought that it was a bad idea to make policy based on the emotions of a victim of a crime.  Policy should come from reasoned thought and debate.  Just like I don't want the families of murder victims to control death penalty policy, neither do I want the families of Sandy Hook victims to dictate gun control policy, either for more gun control or less.

That said, the fact that his daughter was one mile away and was clearly personally affected, while not negating what he said, should be taken for what it is: emotion.  We should listen to these people for sure, but need to take it with a grain of salt.


But emotion is precisely what he was relying on. So fark him.
 
2013-02-08 11:07:39 AM  
Knows a thing or two about acting
l2.yimg.com
 
2013-02-08 11:08:20 AM  

The Singing Bush: The following day, Brietbart.com stated plainly that she had "survived the crime at Sandy Hook." On Tuesday, the Daily Caller did the same, explaining that she had "survived the tragic Sandy Hook Elementary shooting." We heard a similar story from Townhall.com, as well as from a spate of other conservative sites.

Unlike the Liberal media who don't let facts get in the way, I just wanted to let you know that my daughter does not attend Sandy Hook Elementary,

Hmmm...


This.  I think his using the phrase "the liberal media" did more to negate what he said than the actual error.  It paints him as an obvious partisan which calls his motives into question -- nobody speaking earnestly and objectively is going to trot out a line like that.  It means he's a FOX News viewer and as such he can't be relied on any more than an NRA shill.
 
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