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(Slate)   According to Fox News, solar power just won't work in America. Because it's not sunny here like it is in Germany   ( slate.com) divider line
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2013-02-08 09:30:59 AM  
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2013-02-08 09:35:50 AM  
Do they even hear themselves at Fox?  They're like flesh-covered bots.
 
2013-02-08 09:39:44 AM  
The problem is that we're so much more densely populated than they are.  I mean they just have giant expanses of farmland and forests everywhere.  America is all densely populated cities, we could never have a place to put solar equipment.  Maybe this would work in Japan, but not here.
 
2013-02-08 09:40:55 AM  
Mind numbingly stupid, as always.
 
2013-02-08 09:44:27 AM  

Diogenes: Do they even hear themselves at Fox?


Sure they do.  They say exactly what they intend.  They know what the facts are, they just don't care.  Facts have nothing to do with why Fox News is in business.

FNC, particularly Fox & Friends, is best viewed as a kind of performance art conducted for the amusement of a particular audience.  And they are very good at it.  For instance, Gretchen Carlson isn't really an airheaded moron - she just plays one on TV.  In reality, she's an accomplished violinist who studied at Stanford and Oxford and graduated with honors.  She's not nearly as idiotic as the character she plays on Fox & Friends.
 
hej [TotalFark]
2013-02-08 09:45:37 AM  
I see it time and time again, but I've never understood this innate aversion conservatives have to being environmentally responsible.  It's as if shiatting all over the world is the only way they get joy.
 
2013-02-08 09:46:36 AM  
Dummkopf.
 
2013-02-08 09:46:51 AM  
Why can no one ever figure out that, once you've run out of oil to drive your economy, grow your food, and heat your homes, that's it? Your civilization is done unless you have something to replace it?

Renewable resources is the onlyway to have our current decadent, overpopulated society survive into the future. You can acknowledge that renewables are difficult to exploit and transient, but that just means you're consuming more energy than you should be anyway. Maybe the world can't handle 3 billion people with cars, TV's, and eleven thousand different kinds of crap shipped in across the planet.

I doubt these people realize there is no do-over if, in 2050 when major energy (and materials) sources are exhausted, the elderly morons making these calls now go "Oh shiat, we should have invested that in something a little less temporary." Regret is not a substitute for thermodynamics.

/apologies for rant, this kind of cognitive dissonance annoys me to no end
//just like the occasional smoker I see at work acting surprised and outraged that, 25 years after they started to smoke, they've been told they are facing dramatically reduced quality of life in their few remaining years
 
2013-02-08 09:48:19 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Diogenes: Do they even hear themselves at Fox?

Sure they do.  They say exactly what they intend.  They know what the facts are, they just don't care.  Facts have nothing to do with why Fox News is in business.

FNC, particularly Fox & Friends, is best viewed as a kind of performance art conducted for the amusement of a particular audience.  And they are very good at it.  For instance, Gretchen Carlson isn't really an airheaded moron - she just plays one on TV.  In reality, she's an accomplished violinist who studied at Stanford and Oxford and graduated with honors.  She's not nearly as idiotic as the character she plays on Fox & Friends.


Book smart people can and do believe some nutty shiat.
 
2013-02-08 09:49:38 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Book smart people can and do believe some nutty shiat.


For example, Deepak Chopra.

/QUANTUM MECHANICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.
 
2013-02-08 09:50:02 AM  

ThreadSinger: Why can no one ever figure out that, once you've run out of oil to drive your economy, grow your food, and heat your homes, that's it? Your civilization is done unless you have something to replace it?


It's very difficult to get someone to understand something when they are paid a lot of money to not understand it.

www.southernstudies.org
 
2013-02-08 09:51:02 AM  

ILostMyPassword: The problem is that we're so much more densely populated than they are.  I mean they just have giant expanses of farmland and forests everywhere.  America is all densely populated cities, we could never have a place to put solar equipment.  Maybe this would work in Japan, but not here.


Hey, I hear Dick Morris just got fired -- there's an opening at Fox for you!
 
2013-02-08 09:52:41 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Doc Daneeka: Diogenes: Do they even hear themselves at Fox?

Sure they do.  They say exactly what they intend.  They know what the facts are, they just don't care.  Facts have nothing to do with why Fox News is in business.

FNC, particularly Fox & Friends, is best viewed as a kind of performance art conducted for the amusement of a particular audience.  And they are very good at it.  For instance, Gretchen Carlson isn't really an airheaded moron - she just plays one on TV.  In reality, she's an accomplished violinist who studied at Stanford and Oxford and graduated with honors.  She's not nearly as idiotic as the character she plays on Fox & Friends.

Book smart people can and do believe some nutty shiat.


Gretchen Carlson doesn't portray a person with strange or fringe beliefs.  She portrays a moron.  Someone who lacks basic understanding of simple concepts or even the meanings of common words.  There's just no way that they character she plays is at all consistent with her real-life background.
 
2013-02-08 09:56:58 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Doc Daneeka: Diogenes: Do they even hear themselves at Fox?

Sure they do.  They say exactly what they intend.  They know what the facts are, they just don't care.  Facts have nothing to do with why Fox News is in business.

FNC, particularly Fox & Friends, is best viewed as a kind of performance art conducted for the amusement of a particular audience.  And they are very good at it.  For instance, Gretchen Carlson isn't really an airheaded moron - she just plays one on TV.  In reality, she's an accomplished violinist who studied at Stanford and Oxford and graduated with honors.  She's not nearly as idiotic as the character she plays on Fox & Friends.

Book smart people can and do believe some nutty shiat.


Nutty is one thing.  But we're talking about stuff that defies common sense and common experience.

Intentional propaganda I get.  But when you're saying crap like this or that distributive property in math is liberal indoctrination of students, you've crossed over from the province of propaganda into the realm of the insane.
 
2013-02-08 09:57:13 AM  
Solar power doesn't really work in Germany. But one of the reasons is that we are just as sunny as Alaska, yeah.
 
2013-02-08 09:59:39 AM  
I've never been to Germany myself, but I was in Switzerland (which is basically Germany-lite) for a few days in the summer and it was sunny EVERY SINGLE DAY.  So it stands to reason that Germany is also sunny every single day.  Way to try to skew the argument with your fancy charts, but I was actually there.
 
2013-02-08 10:03:11 AM  
i21.photobucket.com

"And when he planned to steal our sunlight, he crossed that line between everyday villainy and cartoonish super-villainy."
 
2013-02-08 10:04:57 AM  

ILostMyPassword: The problem is that we're so much more densely populated than they are.  I mean they just have giant expanses of farmland and forests everywhere.  America is all densely populated cities, we could never have a place to put solar equipment.  Maybe this would work in Japan, but not here.


You could always put small solar panels on top of those pesky buildings.  As opposed to in the middle of a large forest full of tall trees that create shade underneath.  I doubt the Sierra Club would approve of solar panels bolted to the giant sequoias.
 
2013-02-08 10:06:46 AM  
The northernmost part of the contiguous 48 states is the Northwest Angle Inlet in Lake of the Woods, Minnesota. It's at 49°23′N

The closest (well known) German place to that (approximate) line of latitude in Germany? Nuremberg. Here's a map of Germany. Everywhere north of this Nuremberg dot is on a Canadian line of latitude.

media.web.britannica.com

What the f*** are these conservative people smoking?
 
2013-02-08 10:07:49 AM  

ILostMyPassword: The problem is that we're so much more densely populated than they are.  I mean they just have giant expanses of farmland and forests everywhere.  America is all densely populated cities, we could never have a place to put solar equipment.  Maybe this would work in Japan, but not here.


farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2013-02-08 10:10:22 AM  
 Of course it 'works' but is it cost effective.

Remove all the government subsidies and see what happens.
 
2013-02-08 10:11:00 AM  
Judging from that interview, I'd say the guest on the show had a few investments in nat gas.
 
2013-02-08 10:14:06 AM  

CujoQuarrel: Of course it 'works' but is it cost effective.

Remove all the government subsidies and see what happens.


www.awea.org
 
2013-02-08 10:15:04 AM  

Diogenes: Do they even hear themselves at Fox?  They're like flesh-covered bots.


It's hard to hear inside the echo chamber.

www.gapingvoid.com
 
2013-02-08 10:15:09 AM  

hej: I see it time and time again, but I've never understood this innate aversion conservatives have to being environmentally responsible.  It's as if shiatting all over the world is the only way they get joy.


We HAVE to use up all our non-renewable resources as quickly as we can so that Jebus can come back.  Or something.
 
2013-02-08 10:15:57 AM  

CujoQuarrel: Of course it 'works' but is it cost effective.

Remove all the government subsidies and see what happens.


Cool. Let's start with ending the projected $110B to gas/oil over the next 10 years, deal?
 
2013-02-08 10:20:52 AM  

Dr Dreidel: CujoQuarrel: Of course it 'works' but is it cost effective.

Remove all the government subsidies and see what happens.

Cool. Let's start with ending the projected $110B to gas/oil over the next 10 years, deal?


This. And for a comparison from the graph I posted above: for all renewable energy sources, it has been $5.93 billion in federal subsidies in a 15 year period from 1994 to 2009.
 
2013-02-08 10:21:45 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Diogenes: Do they even hear themselves at Fox?

Sure they do.  They say exactly what they intend.  They know what the facts are, they just don't care.  Facts have nothing to do with why Fox News is in business.

FNC, particularly Fox & Friends, is best viewed as a kind of performance art conducted for the amusement of a particular audience.  And they are very good at it.  For instance, Gretchen Carlson isn't really an airheaded moron - she just plays one on TV.  In reality, she's an accomplished violinist who studied at Stanford and Oxford and graduated with honors.  She's not nearly as idiotic as the character she plays on Fox & Friends.


I finally figured out what F&F reminds me of.the television newscasters in Do Android Dream of Electric Sheep.  The replicants that were on 24/7 and would just spend the most insane crap.  It was never questioned and 'real' people just nodded and watched.  For some reason that part and Deckard's trip in the desert always stuck with me.  I need to back and reread those portions.

So I guess my question is this: Are the Dooce, the Blonde and the Dumb guy just advanced robots and not human at all? If in the desert, would they flip a tortoise on its back?
 
2013-02-08 10:26:38 AM  

ILostMyPassword: The problem is that we're so much more densely populated than they are.  I mean they just have giant expanses of farmland and forests everywhere.  America is all densely populated cities, we could never have a place to put solar equipment.  Maybe this would work in Japan, but not here.


Not only that, but people forget that the sun rises on Germany six or seven hours before it ever gets to the US. So not only do they get all that extra sun time, but they get the strongest solar pressure. By the time it gets here the sun is tired from having shined all day. Ever see the sun set in Los Angeles? By the time it gets to the horizon, you can look  straight at it, it's so weak. I wouldn't try that on a Bavarian mountaintop!
 
2013-02-08 10:27:56 AM  

CujoQuarrel: Of course it 'works' but is it cost effective.

Remove all the government subsidies and see what happens.


Deal.  As long as we stop subsidizing fossil fuels, and plug up the carbon externality. Shake on it?

/Solar is on the verge of being cost effective against the highly subsidized fossil fuels even with no subsidies at all.
 
2013-02-08 10:31:40 AM  
Solar power is almost there, the biggest hurdle to overcome is power storage.

/family has an off the grid cabin in the woods we can power everything during the day at night 72 deep cycle batteries have just enough energy stored to power a few low voltage lights and the most energy efficient refrigerator n the market.  Want a hot shower? Take it during the day.
 
2013-02-08 10:35:32 AM  

ILostMyPassword: The problem is that we're so much more densely populated than they are.  I mean they just have giant expanses of farmland and forests everywhere.  America is all densely populated cities, we could never have a place to put solar equipment.  Maybe this would work in Japan, but not here.


You can't be that god-damn stupid to actually believe what you just posted so I have to believe you were sarcastically playing the role of a Fox-News watcher.

/reread your post and caught the Japan thing.
//I haven't had my coffee or cigarette this morning

(what is so funny is most of the Fox news listeners are in the midwest (i.e. flyover country) or in the high desert.  Cognitive dissonance FTL.)
 
2013-02-08 10:56:20 AM  
i891.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-08 10:57:43 AM  

wingnut396: So I guess my question is this: Are the Dooce, the Blonde and the Dumb guy just advanced robots and not human at all?

Advanced

robots? Pfft. No robot in history has ever been so incapable of intelligent, humanistic thought as these three morons. Line robots building cars are more rational and capable of critical thought than these three.

So I'm going to go have to go with "no, they're so stupid they have to be human".
/ yet, somehow, they're still a minimum of ten times smarter than anything that tunes in to watch them on purpose...
 
2013-02-08 11:02:33 AM  

i.imgur.com 

F***in' Earth's tilt and geography, how does it work?

 
2013-02-08 11:08:55 AM  
So did Gretchen Carlson voluntarily take an icepick to the higher reasoning center of her brain as a condition for taking the Fox & Friends job, or does she just fake it and go home every night planning to finally cut her wrists and die in the bathtub?
 
2013-02-08 11:17:38 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: So did Gretchen Carlson voluntarily take an icepick to the higher reasoning center of her brain as a condition for taking the Fox & Friends job, or does she just fake it and go home every night planning to finally cut her wrists and die in the bathtub?


You underestimate the power of human greed.  Some people just don't give a fark what they do as long as they are living the life and getting paid.  Fark everyone else. Its not really all that different from how a human trafficker can steal kids and force them into prostitution and feel no remorse for their actions.  They only care about bad stuff when it impact them personally.
 
2013-02-08 11:33:06 AM  
They problem is with solar is that it just simply wont work. There isn't near enough power density to make a dent, the sun doesn't shine at night, there's no place to mount the panels, it's too expensive plus the panels have to be replaced every 8-years.
 
2013-02-08 11:34:28 AM  
Sociopaths... because, SOSHALIZM!!!!
 
2013-02-08 11:37:15 AM  
One of my friends installed solar panels on their suburban roof and they're already selling their surplus energy back to the local power company.  They expect their $15K investment to be returned within four years.

I hope to follow their example as soon as possible.
 
2013-02-08 11:37:24 AM  

MrSteve007: They problem is with solar is that it just simply wont work. There isn't near enough power density to make a dent, the sun doesn't shine at night, there's no place to mount the panels, it's too expensive plus the panels have to be replaced every 8-years.


It would be like deriving power from something as capricious as the wind.  Purely the realm of science fiction, that.
 
2013-02-08 11:37:53 AM  

MrSteve007: They problem is with solar is that it just simply wont work. There isn't near enough power density to make a dent, the sun doesn't shine at night, there's no place to mount the panels, it's too expensive plus the panels have to be replaced every 8-years.


That should cover most of the talking points.
 
2013-02-08 11:45:12 AM  

Hollie Maea: That should cover most of the talking points.


Well, don't forget that they kill endangered land turtles, blind pilots from reflection from the sun, pollute the world's rivers via their manufacturing, are easily damaged by hail and are decimated by hurricanes.

The only way forward for this country, especially to be economically competitive with an emerging China, is via clean coal and natural gas. Simply put, they're clean and natural, it's right in their name - and we have at least a 100 years worth of energy from each.
 
2013-02-08 11:45:26 AM  

MrSteve007: They problem is with solar is that it just simply wont work. There isn't near enough power density to make a dent, the sun doesn't shine at night, there's no place to mount the panels, it's too expensive plus the panels have to be replaced every 8-years.


You're talking out of your ass, electricity can be stored in these newfangled things called batteries (and it's not the only way of storing the energy), a building usually comes with a roof in this era of history, there's that ass talking we were talking about earlier, and it's the batteries that have to be replaced every five to ten years (not the panels, which pay for themselves in around 8 years, so now your s**t's all retarded).
 
2013-02-08 11:46:27 AM  

MrSteve007: Hollie Maea: That should cover most of the talking points.

Well, don't forget that they kill endangered land turtles, blind pilots from reflection from the sun, pollute the world's rivers via their manufacturing, are easily damaged by hail and are decimated by hurricanes.

The only way forward for this country, especially to be economically competitive with an emerging China, is via clean coal and natural gas. Simply put, they're clean and natural, it's right in their name - and we have at least a 100 years worth of energy from each.


...and now I just see I was trolled hard.

Bravo sir. Bravo.
 
2013-02-08 11:50:26 AM  

MrSteve007: Hollie Maea: That should cover most of the talking points.

Well, don't forget that they kill endangered land turtles, blind pilots from reflection from the sun, pollute the world's rivers via their manufacturing, are easily damaged by hail and are decimated by hurricanes.

The only way forward for this country, especially to be economically competitive with an emerging China, is via clean coal and natural gas. Simply put, they're clean and natural, it's right in their name - and we have at least a 100 years worth of energy from each.


So in 200 years, what then? Hope we've unlocked the secrets of fusion, or can we start building PV farms then? (Well, we'd probably want to start ramping up whatever replaces them at least a few years before they run out - it'll take energy to make our cold fusion reactor, right? Takes time to build and hook up to the system, make sure it can handle capacity - that kind of thing.) So why not give ourselves a century or so lead time, just to make sure? For comparison, it's estimated to take ~15 years to completely turn over the consumer car fleet. Considering we're still using some of the same energy plants as 30-40 years ago, I'm guessing it takes longer than 15 years to turn over our energy production "fleet".

// also, are you taking inflation into account (more people using more devices that use more energy means an exponential rise in energy use, not linear)?
 
2013-02-08 11:57:18 AM  

Dr Dreidel: So in 200 years, what then? Hope we've unlocked the secrets of fusion, or can we start building PV farms then? (Well, we'd probably want to start ramping up whatever replaces them at least a few years before they run out - it'll take energy to make our cold fusion reactor, right? Takes time to build and hook up to the system, make sure it can handle capacity - that kind of thing.) So why not give ourselves a century or so lead time, just to make sure? For comparison, it's estimated to take ~15 years to completely turn over the consumer car fleet. Considering we're still using some of the same energy plants as 30-40 years ago, I'm guessing it takes longer than 15 years to turn over our energy production "fleet".

// also, are you taking inflation into account (more people using more devices that use more energy means an exponential rise in energy use, not linear)?


Keep in mind that the amount of energy that goes into a solar panel far exceeds that of the power that comes out of them. We'd have to import our power from Mexico and Canada just to keep solar manufacturing plants open. Plus the fact that you need 5x's the amount of base load for every watt of installed solar.
 
2013-02-08 12:01:44 PM  

MrSteve007: Keep in mind that the amount of energy that goes into a solar panel far exceeds that of the power that comes out of them.


OMG THERMODYNAMICS

MrSteve007: We'd have to import our power from Mexico and Canada just to keep solar manufacturing plants open. Plus the fact that you need 5x's the amount of base load for every watt of installed solar.


Cites/math, plz.
 
2013-02-08 12:21:21 PM  

MrSteve007: clean coal


Good to know I can just throw you on ignore and not risk missing anything real or interesting.
 
2013-02-08 12:33:20 PM  
Most people who watch FOX figure they'll be dead by the time energy reaches a crisis point. So party hard now, and fark the future.

Kinda like most CEO's.
 
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