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(io9)   This list of the 10 most incompetent space captains in the universe doesn't include Captain Janeway from Voyager, most likely because her incompetency is so obvious that she doesn't need to be listed   (io9.com) divider line 142
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2013-02-08 06:41:51 AM
She *did* get the job done... and tame Q to some extent.

I think she was ok.
 
2013-02-08 06:51:01 AM
Crais?

Really?

He was the most interesting character on Farscape!

Yes, he gave up everything to avenge his brothers death, and the whole thing started over something he totally got wrong... but he learned, he grew... he grew beyond the rigid boundaries of Peacekeeper life. He manipulated his way in and out of Peacekeeper ranks on multiple occasions... was quite possibly more cunning and resourceful than Scorpy, and ultimately saved Moya and her crew, while dealing a massive blow to both the peacekeepers and Scarrans, and redeeming Talyns tortured soul in the process.
 
2013-02-08 07:09:26 AM
She got them home didn't she, so STFU.
 
2013-02-08 07:12:23 AM
Janeway made a conscious decision to strand everyone in the Delta quadrant. That wasn't incompetence, it was just being a farking coont.

Picard is the incompetent one. He had a chance to plant a virus into the Borg and wipe them all out for good but he felt sorry for one and didn't do it, a decision that probably cost thousands of lives. That's incompetence. His ass should have been court martial-ed for that shiat. Then again, if he did go through with it, he would have killed Seven of Nine.

/and Ozzle was an admiral, not a captain
 
2013-02-08 08:09:32 AM

Mugato: Janeway made a conscious decision to strand everyone in the Delta quadrant. That wasn't incompetence, it was just being a farking coont.

Picard is the incompetent one. He had a chance to plant a virus into the Borg and wipe them all out for good but he felt sorry for one and didn't do it, a decision that probably cost thousands of lives. That's incompetence. His ass should have been court martial-ed for that shiat. Then again, if he did go through with it, he would have killed Seven of Nine.

/and Ozzle was an admiral, not a captain


You better take that back, or I'll so internet-vendetta you.
 
2013-02-08 08:24:34 AM
Space Jesus laughs at this list.

Also, Crais doesn't belong on it.
 
2013-02-08 08:25:11 AM
D'oh: Stupid picture:
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2013-02-08 08:44:45 AM
Im watching through Voyager right now. Every time she lands the ship, I die inside a little.
 
2013-02-08 08:47:01 AM

Cythraul: You better take that back, or I'll so internet-vendetta you.


Yeah, explain your reasoning to all the people who were assimilated because of Picard's incompetence.

Speaking of the Borg and the article mentions Captain EO, the Queen chick in Captain EO looked a lot like the Borg queen and to 10 year old me she was scary but now I think she was kind of hot.
 
2013-02-08 08:54:08 AM
...actually as a 10 year old the queen chick wasn't the one I should have been scared of in Captain EO.

RexTalionis: D'oh: Stupid picture:
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What did Sisko do that was incompetent?
 
2013-02-08 08:54:10 AM

Shadow Blasko: Crais?

Really?

He was the most interesting character on Farscape!

Yes, he gave up everything to avenge his brothers death, and the whole thing started over something he totally got wrong... but he learned, he grew... he grew beyond the rigid boundaries of Peacekeeper life. He manipulated his way in and out of Peacekeeper ranks on multiple occasions... was quite possibly more cunning and resourceful than Scorpy, and ultimately saved Moya and her crew, while dealing a massive blow to both the peacekeepers and Scarrans, and redeeming Talyns tortured soul in the process.


I always enjoyed Crais as a character, but he was an awful officer.  Even for a sadistic, fascist military state, his level of "don't give a shiat about the troops" was over the top.

But I agree with you and Byalar Crais as a person.
 
2013-02-08 08:54:16 AM

Mugato: Cythraul: You better take that back, or I'll so internet-vendetta you.

Yeah, explain your reasoning to all the people who were assimilated because of Picard's incompetence.

Speaking of the Borg and the article mentions Captain EO, the Queen chick in Captain EO looked a lot like the Borg queen and to 10 year old me she was scary but now I think she was kind of hot.


I think Picard more than had the skills to be an effective Star Ship captain.  Given his overall record as a Captain, I'd say he's more than made up for a few bad judgement calls.

Keep in mind, he also contributed to the death of the Borg queen, which should have been the end of that whole species.  But the writers kept putting the Borg into other Star Trek series, for some reason.

In real life, great leaders have made mistakes that cost hundreds, even thousands of people their lives.  Yet we still view them as very competent.

I can't believe I'm arguing over a fictional sci-fi character.
 
2013-02-08 08:59:13 AM
#1 is a good pick.  I'm ashamed that I didn't think of him going in.

/and farking ackbar walked right into that trap.  Farker got lucky.
 
2013-02-08 09:05:35 AM

Mugato: ...actually as a 10 year old the queen chick wasn't the one I should have been scared of in Captain EO.

RexTalionis: D'oh: Stupid picture:
[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 549x468]

What did Sisko do that was incompetent?


See the previous comment - "Space Jesus laughs at this list. "
 
2013-02-08 09:05:59 AM
 the Imperial Fleet drops out of hyperspace too close to Hoth, alerting the Rebels to the Imperial attack too soon and losing the element of surprise.

If given the choice between dropping out of hyperspace right on top of the planet, or a million miles away, I'd tend to think being right on their doorstep would give the element of surprise.   It seems like the rebels have less time to react if they're getting pummeled in the next 5 minutes vs 12 hours later.  Maybe it just wasn't written well, that part always bugged me.
 
2013-02-08 09:08:54 AM
To be honest I can't help but think Kirk is the worst of the Star Trek lot. He takes a lot of stupid risks outside good order and discipline and he's a hothead. Not really the guy who should be in charge of an exploration vessel or primary instrument of foreign policy.
 
2013-02-08 09:09:47 AM
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2013-02-08 09:10:37 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: If given the choice between dropping out of hyperspace right on top of the planet, or a million miles away, I'd tend to think being right on their doorstep would give the element of surprise.   I


Coming out too close set off all sorts of alarms and allowed the rebels to not only begin evacuation proceedings but also get their defenses organized.

Had the fleet come out much further away from Hoth, out of detection range, they could have coasted in with little to no advance warning for the rebels and wiped them out with ease.

/ at least that's always been my take
 
2013-02-08 09:11:05 AM
"Kif im feeling captain's itch!"
 
2013-02-08 09:11:50 AM
cosmicorigins.com

/#11?
 
2013-02-08 09:13:30 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: the Imperial Fleet drops out of hyperspace too close to Hoth, alerting the Rebels to the Imperial attack too soon and losing the element of surprise.

If given the choice between dropping out of hyperspace right on top of the planet, or a million miles away, I'd tend to think being right on their doorstep would give the element of surprise.   It seems like the rebels have less time to react if they're getting pummeled in the next 5 minutes vs 12 hours later.  Maybe it just wasn't written well, that part always bugged me.



They were able to see their warp signature or whatever on the fancy sensing equipment or something.

  It makes sense if you are willing to accept it is possible without explanation, this is Star Wars not Star Trek.
 
2013-02-08 09:14:13 AM
Damn you for getting me hooked on battlestar galactica
 
2013-02-08 09:14:50 AM
Captain Janeway could destroy an enemy battle cruiser with just the sound of her voice.  If you can call that "sound".
 
2013-02-08 09:15:44 AM

SuperSeriousMan: BraveNewCheneyWorld: If given the choice between dropping out of hyperspace right on top of the planet, or a million miles away, I'd tend to think being right on their doorstep would give the element of surprise.   I

Coming out too close set off all sorts of alarms and allowed the rebels to not only begin evacuation proceedings but also get their defenses organized.

Had the fleet come out much further away from Hoth, out of detection range, they could have coasted in with little to no advance warning for the rebels and wiped them out with ease.

/ at least that's always been my take


That was the only argument I could make too, but the way I see it, going in at sub light speed should tip them off just as easily.  I guess they have cloaking devices that don't work in hyperspace, but it was never explained.
 
2013-02-08 09:16:19 AM

thecpt: #1 is a good pick.  I'm ashamed that I didn't think of him going in.

/and farking ackbar walked right into that trap.  Farker got lucky.


#1 shouldn't have been #1 since Zapp Brannigan is just a parody of a starship captain (and Leela's foil) and is suppose to be that incompetent.  All the other ones were suppose to be competent but acted in really incompetent ways, or as Captain Ramius would put it, they "...acted stupidly"
 
2013-02-08 09:18:06 AM
As much as I love Futarama references, the whole point of his character is that he is incompetent. Including him on the list is like including the Generals in a list of bad basketball teams.
 
2013-02-08 09:18:22 AM
What never made sense about Voyager was that Janeway survived the trip; any sane crew would have spaced her before the first year was over. But, then again...they can't have been sane: Neelix survives, too.
 
2013-02-08 09:20:03 AM

Copperbelly watersnake: As much as I love Futarama references, the whole point of his character is that he is incompetent. Including him on the list is like including the Generals in a list of bad basketball teams.


By this logic, Irresponsible Captain Tylor shouldn't be on that list either.
 
2013-02-08 09:20:31 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: SuperSeriousMan: BraveNewCheneyWorld: If given the choice between dropping out of hyperspace right on top of the planet, or a million miles away, I'd tend to think being right on their doorstep would give the element of surprise.   I

Coming out too close set off all sorts of alarms and allowed the rebels to not only begin evacuation proceedings but also get their defenses organized.

Had the fleet come out much further away from Hoth, out of detection range, they could have coasted in with little to no advance warning for the rebels and wiped them out with ease.

/ at least that's always been my take

That was the only argument I could make too, but the way I see it, going in at sub light speed should tip them off just as easily.  I guess they have cloaking devices that don't work in hyperspace, but it was never explained.


I think the issue was that the landing craft had to be prepped after exiting hyperspace. It would have been better to have them prepped and launched while out of range so that they were already en route to the surface when the rebels detected them.
 
2013-02-08 09:21:03 AM

Faddy: BraveNewCheneyWorld: the Imperial Fleet drops out of hyperspace too close to Hoth, alerting the Rebels to the Imperial attack too soon and losing the element of surprise.

If given the choice between dropping out of hyperspace right on top of the planet, or a million miles away, I'd tend to think being right on their doorstep would give the element of surprise.   It seems like the rebels have less time to react if they're getting pummeled in the next 5 minutes vs 12 hours later.  Maybe it just wasn't written well, that part always bugged me.


They were able to see their warp signature or whatever on the fancy sensing equipment or something.

  It makes sense if you are willing to accept it is possible without explanation, this is Star Wars not Star Trek.


I would agree that dropping out of hyperspace on top of the planet is the way to go.  Seriously, unless you can hide yourself in a nearby asteroid field, or cloak your entire fleet, you are going to be detected anyways.  So the question is, get detected just as you exit hyperspace right on top of them or get detected scootering along at sub-light speed heading towards the planet which would allow them even more reaction time?  The choice is obvious (look at what happened tothe Death Star lumbered towards the moon base in Star Wars).
 
2013-02-08 09:21:09 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: but it was never explained.


I'm sorry, but if you need an explanation for that then there is no way you could enjoy the Star Wars movies.  How does a lightsaber just end?  How can the force spread across solar systems if it acts as a physical wave?  I don't think audiences were as demanding 30 years ago, and I still don't want to hear that much about battleship detection systems in a movie.
 
2013-02-08 09:21:17 AM
Zapp number 1 works, but that means that Kirk should be number 2 since Zapp is Kirk with only a little more retardation
 
2013-02-08 09:23:42 AM

johnnyboog: Damn you for getting me hooked on battlestar galactica


I had the opportunity to meet Michael Hogan (Tigh) a couple years ago. I told.him how much his character reminds me of my father.

He looked me up and down and said "You POOR bastard."

It was pretty awesome.
 
2013-02-08 09:23:51 AM

feanorn: any sane crew would have spaced her before the first year was over.


Captain Chakotay. 'nuff said.
 
2013-02-08 09:25:57 AM
 
2013-02-08 09:26:12 AM
I have to disagree with #7.
He was effectively disabled and from a Human perspective the Mimbari's actions were hostile. It is even clear from Ducat's (sp???) reaction that he knew it could be taken as an offensive posture.

The real problem there was the generals/government who sent him there after they had been specifically told it was a bad idea..
 
2013-02-08 09:26:21 AM
I think Lee Adama should be on that list for his "rescue" over New Caprica.

Let's sacrifice the more modern, better equipped battlestar for the aging Galactica.
 
2013-02-08 09:27:08 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: feanorn: any sane crew would have spaced her before the first year was over.

Captain Chakotay. 'nuff said.


Yeah, I think Janeway was wise to promote Chakotay to her number 1.  Chakotay is an even more questionable leader.
 
2013-02-08 09:29:46 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Captain Janeway could destroy an enemy battle cruiser with just the sound of her voice.  If you can call that "sound".


She should have had a burning cigarette in every scene.  "Mr. Paris...(*smoke ring smoke ring SMOKE RING*)...red alert!"

Janeway was probably the most by-the-book of them all, for better or worse.  Makes her a pretty good captain, actually, just dull and one-note.
 
2013-02-08 09:30:53 AM

PsyLord: Philip Francis Queeg: feanorn: any sane crew would have spaced her before the first year was over.

Captain Chakotay. 'nuff said.

Yeah, I think Janeway was wise to promote Chakotay to her number 1.  Chakotay is an even more questionable leader.


Ah, the Quayle/Biden Gambit. You're probably right.
 
2013-02-08 09:32:34 AM

bhcompy: Zapp number 1 works, but that means that Kirk should be number 2 since Zapp is Kirk with only a little more retardation


Speech...impediment...is not...retardation!
 
2013-02-08 09:33:38 AM
So....I am catching up with scifi and have gotten about ten episodes into Babylon 5 and six episodes into Farscape.  Do either of them get better?  Bcause, outside of a few interesting moments on B5, they both have been snoozefests.

/ and I prefer " thoughtful" scifi!
 
2013-02-08 09:34:16 AM
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2013-02-08 09:35:22 AM

Copperbelly watersnake: I think Lee Adama should be on that list for his "rescue" over New Caprica.

Let's sacrifice the more modern, better equipped battlestar for the aging Galactica.


Pegasus was much more vulnerable to electronic warfare because of the automated systems that she presumably used to keep those turrents firing up to her last seconds. I suspect Galactica could not have done that without.a skeleton crew that Lee did not have.

... I had to talk to a cop because of that episode.

Anyway, in exchange for one capital ship, he essentially saved the human species so, you know, the stakes were pretty high.
 
2013-02-08 09:36:05 AM

Mugato: Janeway made a conscious decision to strand everyone in the Delta quadrant. That wasn't incompetence, it was just being a farking coont.

Picard is the incompetent one. He had a chance to plant a virus into the Borg and wipe them all out for good but he felt sorry for one and didn't do it, a decision that probably cost thousands of lives. That's incompetence. His ass should have been court martial-ed for that shiat. Then again, if he did go through with it, he would have killed Seven of Nine.


I really doubt the plan would have worked anyway. They gave Hugh a sense of individuality, and it didn't spread through the whole Borg collective either; it was just among a small group of Borg that got cut off from the rest (being "rescued" by Lore). They would have done the same thing with a virus infection. The Borg survived quite a long time, it's a bit unreasonable to think they had no strategies to defend against attacks like this. (Remember, this "virus" was basically nothing more than a picture by M.C. Escher, designed to confuse the Borg.)
 
2013-02-08 09:38:42 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: So....I am catching up with scifi and have gotten about ten episodes into Babylon 5 and six episodes into Farscape.  Do either of them get better?  Bcause, outside of a few interesting moments on B5, they both have been snoozefests.

/ and I prefer " thoughtful" scifi!


B5 does get better. The best part of the show is the G'kar/Molari (sp?) relationship, which develops over several seasons.

It's no BSG or DS9, but it is rewarding.
 
2013-02-08 09:39:05 AM
Um... Crais was  extremely competent.  The dude successfully subverted like a quarter of an entire damned military empire for months and reassigned a small arm of the military to his  personal use, all without provoking any real inquiry in his subordinates and while doing the rest of his job well enough, and managing his political allies well enough, that they not only didn't reel him back in for over a year, but when they retrieved him he  wasn't even reassigned, much less fired.

In fact, the whole problem was that he was smarter and more competent than basically everyone else in the command structure, had he not been he'd never have gotten away with any of his shiat.

Insubordinate, dangerous, and rather insane?  Yes.  Incompetent?  fark no.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: the Imperial Fleet drops out of hyperspace too close to Hoth, alerting the Rebels to the Imperial attack too soon and losing the element of surprise.

If given the choice between dropping out of hyperspace right on top of the planet, or a million miles away, I'd tend to think being right on their doorstep would give the element of surprise.   It seems like the rebels have less time to react if they're getting pummeled in the next 5 minutes vs 12 hours later.  Maybe it just wasn't written well, that part always bugged me.


I think the issue was more that the ships need time to maneuver into an actual blockade pattern, and they can't control their arrival point from warp with sufficient precision to drop in in perfect order.  If they land farther out and approach under impulse then by the time they were tripping proximity alarms and orbital defenses they'd already have the overlapping fields of fire set up to prevent anything from escaping.

Then, in episode 1 the "blockade" was an equatorial ring of ships that didn't even bother to cover the north or south hemisphere of the planet, so I guess I may be overestimating George Lucas here.
 
2013-02-08 09:40:27 AM

dajoro: Marcus Aurelius: Captain Janeway could destroy an enemy battle cruiser with just the sound of her voice.  If you can call that "sound".

She should have had a burning cigarette in every scene.  "Mr. Paris...(*smoke ring smoke ring SMOKE RING*)...red alert!"

Janeway was probably the most by-the-book of them all, for better or worse.  Makes her a pretty good captain, actually, just dull and one-note.


Janeway was CONSTANTLY second guessing herself.
 
2013-02-08 09:44:28 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: So....I am catching up with scifi and have gotten about ten episodes into Babylon 5 and six episodes into Farscape.  Do either of them get better?  Bcause, outside of a few interesting moments on B5, they both have been snoozefests.

/ and I prefer " thoughtful" scifi!


I found that both did. The shows need to set the characters first.

B5 is a bit of a slow build, as it there are arcs that start in season 1 that end in season 5.
 
2013-02-08 09:44:46 AM

PanicMan: dajoro: Marcus Aurelius: Captain Janeway could destroy an enemy battle cruiser with just the sound of her voice.  If you can call that "sound".

She should have had a burning cigarette in every scene.  "Mr. Paris...(*smoke ring smoke ring SMOKE RING*)...red alert!"

Janeway was probably the most by-the-book of them all, for better or worse.  Makes her a pretty good captain, actually, just dull and one-note.

Janeway was CONSTANTLY second guessing herself.


Enterprise is a flagship, cream of the crop.

Voyager was crewed with.scrubs and farkups, including the.captain.
 
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