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(Hampton Roads)   Virginia wants to make "dooring" bicyclists illegal. Subby has always heard it referred as "door-checking"   (hamptonroads.com) divider line 48
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2013-02-08 12:34:47 AM
6 votes:
A violation would carry a $100 civil penalty.

Worth it.
2013-02-08 06:38:49 AM
4 votes:

MmmmBacon: In Portlandia, you do that to a Cyclist, the rest of their pack will have you strung up from the nearest Starbucks sign in minutes.


My adventures with Portlandia bikers, summed:

"Cars suck!"
"Yeah, cars suck! They should be outlawed!"
"Bikers rule"
"Yeah! Cars suck! Air-polluting energy wasters for lazy bastards!"

"Um, By the way, I'm moving next week. Does anyone have a truck I can borrow?"
"Yeah, and, uh, I need some help getting groceries and a few things from the hardware store. Can somebody give me a ride?"
2013-02-08 07:20:33 AM
3 votes:

Wolf892: ninja parades that no one sees


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2013-02-08 07:08:48 AM
3 votes:

djones101: They should give out $100 bonuses for every pretentious bicycling hipster snob that gets door'd.  Sorry, but you do NOT own the lane and the entire road around it.


Yes, they do own the lane in my state (NC) and I suspect others. It's a non-motorized vehicle and if there isn't a specific bike lane set up they have just as much of a right to the road as anyone else. A bicyclist SHOULD be in the center of the land and shouldn't veer to the side unless they feel the car behind them has sufficient room to pass safely.

Of course. They're also supposed to follow all the other normal traffic laws. Stoplights/Stop signs, yield signs, no turn on Red signs. Being on a bike doesn't make you some special car/pedestrian hybrid, it just makes you another vehicle on the road.
2013-02-08 06:46:43 AM
3 votes:
So one might assume, but I'm cool with the rules. Doing a mirror check is one of them. If I am in my lane, the onus is not on me to anticipate your sudden door booting, although mostly, I do, but that's because I consider my fellow humans incapable of logic or impulse control.

Dick cyclists annoy me as well as any driver, but physics favours the powered, one tonne object over "Lance the barista".
2013-02-08 06:41:10 AM
3 votes:

djones101: They should give out $100 bonuses for every pretentious bicycling hipster snob that gets door'd.  Sorry, but you do NOT own the lane and the entire road around it.


Valiente: When I was a cycle courier, it was called "the door prize".

CSB: Saw someone opening a door without a mirror check, right in front of me, and instead of veering out into traffic, I veered into their exiting left leg.

It sounds like celery being snapped inside a towel. The bone, not the screaming.

/CSB.
//I clip the occasional texting jaywalker, too. People think evolution is passive. It's not.


You two were made for each other.
2013-02-08 06:40:34 AM
3 votes:
Seems like a lot of trouble to carry a whole door around just for smacking cyclists.
2013-02-08 06:34:33 AM
3 votes:
They should give out $100 bonuses for every pretentious bicycling hipster snob that gets door'd.  Sorry, but you do NOT own the lane and the entire road around it.
2013-02-08 02:29:00 AM
3 votes:

EatenTheSun: A violation would carry a $100 civil penalty.

Worth it.


Seriously. I would have never considered doing this as I thought it would result in criminal charges... but $100 fine? That makes it tempting.
2013-02-08 02:25:56 AM
3 votes:
I would think "dooring" fits under "unsafe operation of a motor vehicle."
2013-02-08 12:22:24 AM
3 votes:
I've always heard it referred to as assault or assault with a deadly weapon.
2013-02-08 12:18:01 AM
3 votes:
You'd think that would already qualify as criminal recklessness of some sort.
2013-02-08 10:59:48 AM
2 votes:
Some of you people are ridiculous with a inflated sense of self worth.

1. How is it possible to "hate" someone on a bicycle? How is it any type of inconvenience to share the road?
2. How is it the cyclists fault if a driver swings open thier door without looking first? Classic example of putting property above human well-being.
3. On that note, you aren't happy if they hug the bike lane divider in order to stay out of the door zone, then you're angry if they get doored.
4. Why would you care if a cyclist creeps through an intersection against the red light? Is it because you can't? That's like being white and getting mad because black people are "allowed" to drop the N-Bomb and you aren't. Isn't the word still offensive? Consider that it's very much like riding a motorcycle in that it's better to stay ahead of traffic (as much as possible) in order to be seen.
5. How the hell does a cyclist cause traffic congestion? Isn't the presence of too many cars in one place the reason for said traffic congestion?
6. Why would you be upset if a cyclist passes you in traffic? Is this like the opening scene of Office Space?
7. The pedestian has the right of way above the cyclist. The pedestrian owns the crosswalk. The cyclist has the right of way above the automobile. The cyclist is not allowed to travel on the sidewalk. That's why it's called a sidewalk and not a sideride. Therefore, the cyclist does own the lane. Embrace it. Love it. It's the law.

The simple fact is that the cyclists are more frightened than you are. It's literally life and death. A lot of drivers think that the road is their personal Grand-Prix race. I get harrassed at least twice a week by motorists. Mostly by people that want to turn right on a red light and I'm in the bike lane. They want me to get out of their way. If I were to run the light, if possible, they would be mad because I did so. We just can't win.

A month ago a lady decided that she wanted to turn right into a parking lot. Chick-Bow-Wow, I want to be over there now. No blinkers. From a dead stop in traffic to veering right. I slammed against her SUV so hard that I dented the door. At first she wanted to yell at me until she realized her fault. She's lucking I wasn't hurt worse. Not because I'm vindictive, but because the emotional trama and legal liabilities would have crushed her.

Last week a guy got doored because the passenger opened up their door. The car abruptly stopped and the door swung open and he cut is jaw on the door. It took a couple minutes to explain to the driver/passenger the many ways both were at fault. They were driving in a dedicated bus/bike lane on Market St. in SF.

The truth is that you're just hateful, angry, impatient people. Your rage is the problem, not someone traveling at 20mph. You don't want to realize that some people can't afford cars or want one in the first place. It's easier and faster to ride my bike to the grocery store instead of owning a car or using an expensive cab. Some of you actually think that riding a bike makes the rider a second class citizen. A "hipster", "hippie" or some other pejorative.

Are cyclists jerks? Sometimes. Are motorists jerks? Yes, more often than not.
2013-02-08 08:32:23 AM
2 votes:

djones101: They should give out $100 bonuses for every pretentious bicycling hipster snob that gets door'd.  Sorry, but you do NOT own the lane and the entire road around it.


Wow that was Alpha. I bet you just REEK of Axe.
2013-02-08 07:38:48 AM
2 votes:

EatenTheSun: A violation would carry a $100 civil penalty.

Worth it.


Can you buy a season pass?
2013-02-08 07:20:57 AM
2 votes:

Valiente: When I was a cycle courier, it was called "the door prize".

CSB: Saw someone opening a door without a mirror check, right in front of me, and instead of veering out into traffic, I veered into their exiting left leg.

It sounds like celery being snapped inside a towel. The bone, not the screaming.

/CSB.
//I clip the occasional texting jaywalker, too. People think evolution is passive. It's not.


Next time you run a red light 'cause you think the traffic laws don't apply to you, I hope someone door checks you to keep you from getting plowed by right of way traffic.

Get in the traffic lane or get off the road.


CSB time,
Just last night, on a road with a full lane width shoulder, after sunset, there was a guy on a bike straddling the right hand white line between the right hand lane and the shoulder. No lights, on a black bicycle with no reflectors, and he was wearing black, and he was shouting at the cars for crowding HIS space.

I love riding my bike. Most fun I have had getting some exercise aside from martial arts class or sex but guys like the guy above... make me hate cyclists. I have to make a concerted effort not to be prejudiced because of a$$holes like this.
2013-02-08 07:17:17 AM
2 votes:
People take riding a bike and driving way too seriously. Do you know what's best? Walk. Bike riders, you get just as many health benefits from walking...drivers, if you are going to the store at the end of your street, walk there....
Free up the road for the ninja parades that no one sees passing through.
2013-02-08 07:10:54 AM
2 votes:
What if it is the passenger door and you pick of an idiot riding on the sidewalk. the cyclist should pay the driver $100
2013-02-08 07:01:23 AM
2 votes:

natas6.0: Working for over a decade in 'frisco
I've learned that cyclists who act like arseholes usually get it in the end
or rather
 dragged by a car, crushed against walls/other vehicles etc
or in one glorious case I worked..hit by a cement truck
driver swears he never saw the idiot playing chicken with him

Hard to keep a straight face with the crying friends and family in their cycling tights
on a good note, the company successfully sued for the loss and cleaning
 of a truck full of cement
so all ended well



Worst.  Poem.  Ever.
2013-02-08 06:57:03 AM
2 votes:
A friend of mine had a cyclist hit his car door on a quiet residential street once.  I remember it well.  "Close the dooooooor.......   Thump."  The cyclist had to pay for the damages to the door.

Slow down and pay attention morons.
2013-02-08 06:56:05 AM
2 votes:
Working for over a decade in 'frisco
I've learned that cyclists who act like arseholes usually get it in the end
or rather
 dragged by a car, crushed against walls/other vehicles etc
or in one glorious case I worked..hit by a cement truck
driver swears he never saw the idiot playing chicken with him

Hard to keep a straight face with the crying friends and family in their cycling tights
on a good note, the company successfully sued for the loss and cleaning
 of a truck full of cement
so all ended well
2013-02-08 06:38:00 AM
2 votes:

Vodka Zombie: I've always heard it referred to as assault or assault with a deadly weapon.


Really? I always heard that you should be careful when riding your bicycle and follow the rules of the road.
2013-02-08 03:22:06 AM
2 votes:
In Portlandia, you do that to a Cyclist, the rest of their pack will have you strung up from the nearest Starbucks sign in minutes.
2013-02-08 10:37:15 AM
1 votes:

Langdon Alger: we've got plenty of bike lanes in Austin so the cyclists can play make believe tour de france. Great, grand, good for you. You're  leading a healthy active lifestyle while I drink beer. What I hate is when the bike lane ends and they have to join a roadway with no bike lane and they hold up traffic. Also too, it seems that even though they are a vehicle on the road, they seem to get away with more traffic violations than a driver of a car/truck----i.e. riding on the sidewalk, crossing an intersection at a red light, no reflectors or lights to make them visible. Yesterday, I had a "gang" of cyclists in all the same uniforms pass me illegally on both sides while I was waiting at a red light and proceed to go through it because "no cars were coming". I would love to try and get out of that ticket in a car/truck with that excuse.


The reason bikes are allowed to coast through a red light or stop sign when no cars are coming is because they're MORE of a hazard if they stop. Once completely stopped, a bicycle takes considerable time and effort to accelerate to a safe speed again. That holds up traffic, slows everyone at the intersection, puts the cyclist and other drivers in danger, and does nobody any good.

In many states it is legal for a bike to coast through a red light or stop sign if they show reasonable caution and yield to traffic at the intersection for exactly these reasons.

If you have some sort of "if they can do it, why can't I?" envy going on, then just consider how much it pisses you off to be stuck behind a stopped cyclist trying to get up to speed again. I'm sure you're riding their ass the whole way.

How hard is it to have some courtesy on the road, anyway? You're not getting there much faster if you blow past the slow cars and cyclists. You might gain an extra minute at your destination, but at the cost of high stress and increased personal risk.

Personally, when I did ride, I stayed on the sidewalks and in bike lanes whenever possible (and yes, the sidewalk is legal in my state). I don't want to be out there with the impatient assholes any more than they want me to be holding them up by only going 25-30 mph most of the time.

This doesn't mean I approve of cyclists and their obnoxious behavior. It doesn't help bike commuters like me when cyclists give everything on two wheels a bad name. Any time I see some jackass riding the middle of the road when there's a bike lane, I'm pissed. When a lane is provided to you, USE IT. Don't be an asshole and tie up traffic because you feel you have the right to the road. Maybe you do, legally-speaking, but you're still being a dick about it if you don't let traffic pass or just use the bike lane. The cars can't use the bike lane (or shouldn't try, anyway), so show some courtesy and get the fark over so the cars can be on their way.

Basically, it's like this: If the guy on the bike is wearing a little Spandex/Lycra outfit with bare legs and ridiculously expensive shoes/pedals, it's a cyclist and chances are he's going to be an asshole. If the guy on the bike is wearing jeans and a t-shirt, he's probably just a guy on a bike-- a bike commuter-- and he's not out to ruin your day; He just wants to get somewhere and he doesn't have or want to use a car.

One more thing: Any moron who has earbuds or headphones on while riding a bike deserves to be road pizza from the inevitable accident. Aside from the possibility of the corded variety slipping loose and ending up tangled in your wheels or chain, there's the fact that you can't hear your environment and aren't able to react properly.  When you're on a bike you need ALL your senses. Don't be a dumb-ass, and don't be a prick.

"Share the road" applies to the cyclists, too. They act like it's something that only applies to cars, but damned if a lot of cyclists don't start shiat just because they can.
2013-02-08 09:33:27 AM
1 votes:
Frankly, if you throw open a car door without making sure there is nothing coming or in the vicinity, be it cyclist, pedestrian, mountain lion, trash can, Sherman tank, or jogger, you deserve to have the shiat beaten out of you. End of story.
2013-02-08 09:21:08 AM
1 votes:

DubtodaIll: Seems like this would do more damage to your car door than for it to be worth it.


Which is why cyclists should be required to carry insurance.  Must be nice to damage someone's car without financial liability.
2013-02-08 08:51:11 AM
1 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: MmmmBacon: In Portlandia, you do that to a Cyclist, the rest of their pack will have you strung up from the nearest Starbucks sign in minutes.

My adventures with Portlandia bikers, summed:

"Cars suck!"
"Yeah, cars suck! They should be outlawed!"
"Bikers rule"
"Yeah! Cars suck! Air-polluting energy wasters for lazy bastards!"

"Um, By the way, I'm moving next week. Does anyone have a truck I can borrow?"
"Yeah, and, uh, I need some help getting groceries and a few things from the hardware store. Can somebody give me a ride?"


Oh, this is like the time you saved that antigun lady from being raped in a parking cellar, because you always carry a gun.

She's a member of the NRA now.
2013-02-08 08:35:18 AM
1 votes:
You know, in my car, I'm held responsible for anything I hit while in motion.  A cyclist should be held accountable in the same way, get in the farking middle of the lane, I don't care, cruising next to doors is idiotic.

/Stay in the middle of the lane too, creeping up past a line of 20 cars at in intersection is a dick move and makes me want to door you myself.
2013-02-08 08:27:52 AM
1 votes:
In NYC, the motorist is at fault for dooring a cyclist. Some of the bike lanes are not in actual door-clearance distances as they are supposed to be, so that doesn't help. This is why I like to ride in protected bike lanes and greenways. I avoid the streets except to get to a protected bike lane or greenway.
2013-02-08 08:20:01 AM
1 votes:
I don't understand this shiat.  Who would open their door in the city (or anywhere else) without checking to see if there is a car coming?  You would have to be one narcissistic 'the world revolves around me biatch' to think it is up to some other guy in a car to be checking in case you happen to open your door.
2013-02-08 08:09:44 AM
1 votes:
Valiente:  I consider my fellow humans incapable of logic or impulse control.

Says the person who's first impulse is to try and break someone's leg when they could have avoided them or 'clips' people for not paying attention to them.

~rolls eyes~
2013-02-08 07:34:04 AM
1 votes:
Oh, that is certainly a well written law with no ambiguity whatsoever.  Nope, I certainly feel confident that I didn't look at the cop the wrong way and he won't slap a $100 fine (plus probably $200 in fees) on me with no real way to prove otherwise.
2013-02-08 07:32:16 AM
1 votes:
Who's responsible if the door gets hit by another car?

Would actually like to know... came very close to hitting a person and their door when they jumped out of the back seat without looking at the gas station last night.
2013-02-08 07:30:45 AM
1 votes:

Wolf892: People take riding a bike and driving way too seriously. Do you know what's best? Walk. Bike riders, you get just as many health benefits from walking...drivers, if you are going to the store at the end of your street, walk there....
Free up the road for the ninja parades that no one sees passing through.


It'd take me a little too long to walk 17 miles to work.

Seriously though, I was always taught as a cyclist, among other things, that getting doored is your own fault.  I know people who cycle in more urban settings skirt or outright break a lot of traffic laws routinely, but there's no excuse.  I try my absolute best to stay a door width away from parked cars and take the lane if I have to.  Usually in that type of place traffic is going slow enough that I can keep up with it anyway.  All of the stories I've heard of people getting doored involve traffic going slower, and then they try to pass on the right.  Which is not legal or safe or smart by any stretch of the imagination.
2013-02-08 07:13:05 AM
1 votes:

Valiente: When I was a cycle courier, it was called "the door prize".

CSB: Saw someone opening a door without a mirror check, right in front of me, and instead of veering out into traffic, I veered into their exiting left leg.

It sounds like celery being snapped inside a towel. The bone, not the screaming.

/CSB.
//I clip the occasional texting jaywalker, too. People think evolution is passive. It's not.



Valiente: Dick cyclists annoy me as well as any driver


Do you even have any self-awareness?
2013-02-08 07:11:55 AM
1 votes:
Drexl's Eye
you have a point
and you made me spit pistachio all over my screen
2013-02-08 07:05:42 AM
1 votes:

LDM90: They should somehow work tipping into these bicyclist threads. The comments would be in the 1000s!


Never happen, you have to be clean to work in a restaurant.
2013-02-08 07:03:23 AM
1 votes:
I had that happen to me in midtown manhattan in 2006. Very painful. I got real lucky. my skin "is like piece of iron". Shouldv'e been a lot more injured. Haven't biked since then. I think I will start biking again soon though. I will just be more careful this time.
2013-02-08 06:54:53 AM
1 votes:
Got doored about 5 years ago. Would have been okay, but unfortunately there was a car behind me that drove over me when I was on the ground.
/painful story, bro
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-08 06:53:43 AM
1 votes:
I would have thought it would be covered under simple assault. Strange that it's not.
2013-02-08 06:51:32 AM
1 votes:
I saw a bicyclist get doored once. It was hilarious.

I laughed even harder as the ambulance carried away his corpse.
2013-02-08 06:48:37 AM
1 votes:
However, bicyclists will now be arrested and given transvaginal ultrasounds as a matter of routine.
2013-02-08 06:44:49 AM
1 votes:

EatenTheSun: A violation would carry a $100 civil penalty.

Worth it.


Thread done
2013-02-08 06:44:46 AM
1 votes:

lolpix: You'd think that would already qualify as criminal recklessness of some sort.


This. It seems like this bill is targeting a problem that doesn't really exist.  Between whatever current traffic laws are on the books and the inevitable lawsuit by the cyclist, you can pretty much bank on getting reamed by the courts.  Even if it was an accident.

/But you gotta court the spandex brigade vote somehow...
2013-02-08 06:40:34 AM
1 votes:
I avoid riding in places with parallel parked cars as much as I can, but when I do, I'm constantly on the lookout for people in the cars.

So I'll probably be killed by a short blue hair in a big ol Cadillac, one of these days.
2013-02-08 06:37:39 AM
1 votes:
Yay. Another 'dick cyclist/motorist' thread.
2013-02-08 06:37:24 AM
1 votes:
When I was a cycle courier, it was called "the door prize".

CSB: Saw someone opening a door without a mirror check, right in front of me, and instead of veering out into traffic, I veered into their exiting left leg.

It sounds like celery being snapped inside a towel. The bone, not the screaming.

/CSB.
//I clip the occasional texting jaywalker, too. People think evolution is passive. It's not.
2013-02-08 06:37:20 AM
1 votes:

djones101: They should give out $100 bonuses for every pretentious bicycling hipster snob that gets door'd.  Sorry, but you do NOT own the lane and the entire road around it.


Hey, hey, everyone!  This guy is EDGY /and/ COOL.  Acknowledge him!
 
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