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(Hampton Roads)   Virginia wants to make "dooring" bicyclists illegal. Subby has always heard it referred as "door-checking"   (hamptonroads.com) divider line 156
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2013-02-08 10:22:53 AM

LDM90: They should somehow work tipping into these bicyclist threads. The comments would be in the 1000s!


Dear Consumerist,

I recently had my fixed-gear Specialized serviced at a local zero-landfill bicycle shop.  When Sage, the resident cogsmith, had finished his 110-point check of my cycle, was it impolite of me to not tip him?

Graciously,

Sven Morningstar,  Mother Earth's Humble Custodian
 
2013-02-08 10:33:17 AM

jaybeezey: Vodka Zombie: I've always heard it referred to as assault or assault with a deadly weapon.

Really? I always heard that you should be careful when riding your bicycle and follow the rules of the road.


What does that have to do with motorists opening doors without checking if it's safe to do?
 
2013-02-08 10:37:09 AM
It's funny, I was taught at 5 that you stay away from parked cars. If you hit them, it's your fault.
 
2013-02-08 10:37:15 AM

Langdon Alger: we've got plenty of bike lanes in Austin so the cyclists can play make believe tour de france. Great, grand, good for you. You're  leading a healthy active lifestyle while I drink beer. What I hate is when the bike lane ends and they have to join a roadway with no bike lane and they hold up traffic. Also too, it seems that even though they are a vehicle on the road, they seem to get away with more traffic violations than a driver of a car/truck----i.e. riding on the sidewalk, crossing an intersection at a red light, no reflectors or lights to make them visible. Yesterday, I had a "gang" of cyclists in all the same uniforms pass me illegally on both sides while I was waiting at a red light and proceed to go through it because "no cars were coming". I would love to try and get out of that ticket in a car/truck with that excuse.


The reason bikes are allowed to coast through a red light or stop sign when no cars are coming is because they're MORE of a hazard if they stop. Once completely stopped, a bicycle takes considerable time and effort to accelerate to a safe speed again. That holds up traffic, slows everyone at the intersection, puts the cyclist and other drivers in danger, and does nobody any good.

In many states it is legal for a bike to coast through a red light or stop sign if they show reasonable caution and yield to traffic at the intersection for exactly these reasons.

If you have some sort of "if they can do it, why can't I?" envy going on, then just consider how much it pisses you off to be stuck behind a stopped cyclist trying to get up to speed again. I'm sure you're riding their ass the whole way.

How hard is it to have some courtesy on the road, anyway? You're not getting there much faster if you blow past the slow cars and cyclists. You might gain an extra minute at your destination, but at the cost of high stress and increased personal risk.

Personally, when I did ride, I stayed on the sidewalks and in bike lanes whenever possible (and yes, the sidewalk is legal in my state). I don't want to be out there with the impatient assholes any more than they want me to be holding them up by only going 25-30 mph most of the time.

This doesn't mean I approve of cyclists and their obnoxious behavior. It doesn't help bike commuters like me when cyclists give everything on two wheels a bad name. Any time I see some jackass riding the middle of the road when there's a bike lane, I'm pissed. When a lane is provided to you, USE IT. Don't be an asshole and tie up traffic because you feel you have the right to the road. Maybe you do, legally-speaking, but you're still being a dick about it if you don't let traffic pass or just use the bike lane. The cars can't use the bike lane (or shouldn't try, anyway), so show some courtesy and get the fark over so the cars can be on their way.

Basically, it's like this: If the guy on the bike is wearing a little Spandex/Lycra outfit with bare legs and ridiculously expensive shoes/pedals, it's a cyclist and chances are he's going to be an asshole. If the guy on the bike is wearing jeans and a t-shirt, he's probably just a guy on a bike-- a bike commuter-- and he's not out to ruin your day; He just wants to get somewhere and he doesn't have or want to use a car.

One more thing: Any moron who has earbuds or headphones on while riding a bike deserves to be road pizza from the inevitable accident. Aside from the possibility of the corded variety slipping loose and ending up tangled in your wheels or chain, there's the fact that you can't hear your environment and aren't able to react properly.  When you're on a bike you need ALL your senses. Don't be a dumb-ass, and don't be a prick.

"Share the road" applies to the cyclists, too. They act like it's something that only applies to cars, but damned if a lot of cyclists don't start shiat just because they can.
 
2013-02-08 10:37:37 AM
While I'm no fan of how many cyclists ride, the fine for this should be higher.  Dickish behavior is dickish.
 
2013-02-08 10:40:57 AM
Some of the absolutely insane cyclists that I've talked to act like dooring is the worst crime in the world. You know what? It sucks. People need to look at what's coming before opening their door. I'm in agreement.

However, some of those very same people refuse to wear helmets because, "if a car hits you going 60 mph the helmet is going to do just enough to save you and make you like, a vegetable." Really? Weren't you concerned with running into the door of a stationary car a minute ago? When you fall from that and hit your head on the pavement, a helmet might come in handy.

Someone who writes stuff online that I like to read hit an unmarked pothole, flipped over his bike, and ended up with a broken collarbone yesterday. He was wearing a helmet which helped out a whole lot in that situation.
 
2013-02-08 10:42:35 AM

EatenTheSun: A violation would carry a $100 civil penalty.

Worth it.


At that price, you can't afford to  not do it.
 
2013-02-08 10:46:31 AM
What kind of moron doesn't check before opening their door anyway?  Regardless of whether you want to be a prick and hit a cyclist there are cars on the road too. Such inattention can cost an arm and a door.
 
2013-02-08 10:52:32 AM

louiedog: However, some of those very same people refuse to wear helmets because, "if a car hits you going 60 mph the helmet is going to do just enough to save you and make you like, a vegetable." Really? Weren't you concerned with running into the door of a stationary car a minute ago? When you fall from that and hit your head on the pavement, a helmet might come in handy.


I've been a cyclist longer than most of this thread has been alive, and I just about NEVER hear that line of reasoning, with the sole exception of ABATE members.  I just don't hear it from bicyclists.
 
2013-02-08 10:59:48 AM
Some of you people are ridiculous with a inflated sense of self worth.

1. How is it possible to "hate" someone on a bicycle? How is it any type of inconvenience to share the road?
2. How is it the cyclists fault if a driver swings open thier door without looking first? Classic example of putting property above human well-being.
3. On that note, you aren't happy if they hug the bike lane divider in order to stay out of the door zone, then you're angry if they get doored.
4. Why would you care if a cyclist creeps through an intersection against the red light? Is it because you can't? That's like being white and getting mad because black people are "allowed" to drop the N-Bomb and you aren't. Isn't the word still offensive? Consider that it's very much like riding a motorcycle in that it's better to stay ahead of traffic (as much as possible) in order to be seen.
5. How the hell does a cyclist cause traffic congestion? Isn't the presence of too many cars in one place the reason for said traffic congestion?
6. Why would you be upset if a cyclist passes you in traffic? Is this like the opening scene of Office Space?
7. The pedestian has the right of way above the cyclist. The pedestrian owns the crosswalk. The cyclist has the right of way above the automobile. The cyclist is not allowed to travel on the sidewalk. That's why it's called a sidewalk and not a sideride. Therefore, the cyclist does own the lane. Embrace it. Love it. It's the law.

The simple fact is that the cyclists are more frightened than you are. It's literally life and death. A lot of drivers think that the road is their personal Grand-Prix race. I get harrassed at least twice a week by motorists. Mostly by people that want to turn right on a red light and I'm in the bike lane. They want me to get out of their way. If I were to run the light, if possible, they would be mad because I did so. We just can't win.

A month ago a lady decided that she wanted to turn right into a parking lot. Chick-Bow-Wow, I want to be over there now. No blinkers. From a dead stop in traffic to veering right. I slammed against her SUV so hard that I dented the door. At first she wanted to yell at me until she realized her fault. She's lucking I wasn't hurt worse. Not because I'm vindictive, but because the emotional trama and legal liabilities would have crushed her.

Last week a guy got doored because the passenger opened up their door. The car abruptly stopped and the door swung open and he cut is jaw on the door. It took a couple minutes to explain to the driver/passenger the many ways both were at fault. They were driving in a dedicated bus/bike lane on Market St. in SF.

The truth is that you're just hateful, angry, impatient people. Your rage is the problem, not someone traveling at 20mph. You don't want to realize that some people can't afford cars or want one in the first place. It's easier and faster to ride my bike to the grocery store instead of owning a car or using an expensive cab. Some of you actually think that riding a bike makes the rider a second class citizen. A "hipster", "hippie" or some other pejorative.

Are cyclists jerks? Sometimes. Are motorists jerks? Yes, more often than not.
 
2013-02-08 11:01:20 AM

fireclown: louiedog: However, some of those very same people refuse to wear helmets because, "if a car hits you going 60 mph the helmet is going to do just enough to save you and make you like, a vegetable." Really? Weren't you concerned with running into the door of a stationary car a minute ago? When you fall from that and hit your head on the pavement, a helmet might come in handy.

I've been a cyclist longer than most of this thread has been alive, and I just about NEVER hear that line of reasoning, with the sole exception of ABATE members.  I just don't hear it from bicyclists.


The people who I know and consider friends who use bikes to commute never say it. It's only the fringe people they meet through cyclist events. And honestly, I don't think I've heard it since leaving San Francisco. The cyclists who I've met outside of SF tend not to be so extreme.
 
2013-02-08 11:08:52 AM
If they make it illegal does that up the point value?
 
2013-02-08 11:09:36 AM
If you want to use the lane that is fine.  But you should also be expected to go the speed limit just like any motorists.   Can't pedal that fast?  Move to the shoulder and let traffic pass.
 
2013-02-08 11:11:15 AM

MajorityWhip: 1. How is it possible to "hate" someone on a bicycle? How is it any type of inconvenience to share the road?


When traffic in a single lane road has to go 2 MPH because the guy riding a bicycle can't pedal any faster.  Yes that is an inconvenience and don't you dare to pretend that it isn't.
 
2013-02-08 11:14:47 AM

louiedog: The people who I know and consider friends who use bikes to commute never say it. It's only the fringe people they meet through cyclist events. And honestly, I don't think I've heard it since leaving San Francisco. The cyclists who I've met outside of SF tend not to be so extreme.


That's sounding a little Friend-Of-A-Friend--y.

/been to a lot of cycling events
//known a lot of kinds of riders.
///will let this drop now.
 
2013-02-08 11:16:59 AM
Don't ride bikes, but if I did, and someone deliberately "door checked" me, I would seriously consider:

Slowing down (for my personal safety and control)

Then intentionally crash into the door so as to do as much damage to the car as possible. (unless the car was a beater)

Intentional "door checking" seems rather rare to me anyway though with my admittedly limited perspective.

/not ITG, just seems that most "door check" attempts would be rather limited in "usefullness"/punking value compared to the potential for it to backfire.
 
2013-02-08 11:19:42 AM

fireclown: louiedog: However, some of those very same people refuse to wear helmets because, "if a car hits you going 60 mph the helmet is going to do just enough to save you and make you like, a vegetable." Really? Weren't you concerned with running into the door of a stationary car a minute ago? When you fall from that and hit your head on the pavement, a helmet might come in handy.

I've been a cyclist longer than most of this thread has been alive, and I just about NEVER hear that line of reasoning, with the sole exception of ABATE members.  I just don't hear it from bicyclists.


I actually hear it fairly often, especially from younger bicyclists. It could be because of how strong the pressure is for wearing helmets in my area and the young just being rebels without a clue.
 
2013-02-08 11:26:57 AM
Which is stupid as for insurance purposes you are at-fault in Virginia if you open your door into traffic and it'shiat by a car.
 
2013-02-08 11:37:15 AM

jaybeezey: Vodka Zombie: I've always heard it referred to as assault or assault with a deadly weapon.

Really? I always heard that you should be careful when riding your bicycle and follow the rules of the road.


If i flung my car door open into traffic without looking and a close passing car takes it off, is it my fault for being an idiot, or should they have avoided it?
 
2013-02-08 11:56:43 AM
I don't know what it means but I've heard it's a good idea to roll the window down first and also just as confusing I heard something about bonus score for field goals?
 
2013-02-08 11:58:48 AM

MajorityWhip: 7. The pedestian has the right of way above the cyclist. The pedestrian owns the crosswalk. The cyclist has the right of way above the automobile. The cyclist is not allowed to travel on the sidewalk. That's why it's called a sidewalk and not a sideride. Therefore, the cyclist does own the lane. Embrace it. Love it. It's the law.


Actually, that varies by state.

In Michigan it's perfectly legal (and in many cases preferred) for a cyclist to ride the sidewalk, providing that he remembers that pedestrians have right-of-way and yields to them whenever necessary.
 
2013-02-08 12:12:52 PM

ZeroCorpse: MajorityWhip: 7. The pedestian has the right of way above the cyclist. The pedestrian owns the crosswalk. The cyclist has the right of way above the automobile. The cyclist is not allowed to travel on the sidewalk. That's why it's called a sidewalk and not a sideride. Therefore, the cyclist does own the lane. Embrace it. Love it. It's the law.

Actually, that varies by state.

In Michigan it's perfectly legal (and in many cases preferred) for a cyclist to ride the sidewalk, providing that he remembers that pedestrians have right-of-way and yields to them whenever necessary.


Completely legal in Illinois as well. Interestingly enough, you are also required to make an audible noise when approaching pedestrians from behind,
 
2013-02-08 12:17:51 PM

darthaegis: Valiente:  I consider my fellow humans incapable of logic or impulse control.

Says the person who's first impulse is to try and break someone's leg when they could have avoided them or 'clips' people for not paying attention to them.

~rolls eyes~




What's the big deal? It's only a $100 fine. That's like, half of a speeding ticket around here.
 
2013-02-08 12:25:12 PM
From TFA Comments:
Submitted byWm D Tabor DDS  Thu, 02/07/2013 at 7:24 am
No one is 'flinging' anything into your path, they are simply getting out of their car.

Bicycles, even properly ridden, are hard to see, especially because of the way a person's mind works. When they look in that left side mirror to see if its clear, they are looking for cars and trucks. They are not accustomed to being passed on the left by a bicycle and the mind registers what it is looking for. It often doesn't register a bicycle if it is where it is not expected any more than you see the details of the background when you are ridding. You see the tree you might hit, you don't see the squirrel sitting on one of the branches.

They are not being negligent, they are being human.

Be aware of that when you ride and you won't get hurt.


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OH SO MUCH THIS!!!!
 
2013-02-08 12:36:33 PM

ZeroCorpse: Basically, it's like this: If the guy on the bike is wearing a little Spandex/Lycra outfit with bare legs and ridiculously expensive shoes/pedals, it's a cyclist and chances are he's going to be an asshole. If the guy on the bike is wearing jeans and a t-shirt, he's probably just a guy on a bike-- a bike commuter-- and he's not out to ruin your day; He just wants to get somewhere and he doesn't have or want to use a car.


...and THIS too.

/I suspect it's the spandex uniform that makes them think they are a super hero or something.
 
2013-02-08 01:03:05 PM
ZeroCorpse:  Basically, it's like this: If the guy on the bike is wearing a little Spandex/Lycra outfit with bare legs and ridiculously expensive shoes/pedals, it's a cyclist and chances are he's going to be an asshole. If the guy on the bike is wearing jeans and a t-shirt, he's probably just a guy on a bike-- a bike commuter-- and he's not out to ruin your day; He just wants to get somewhere and he doesn't have or want to use a car.

Yup. This, a thousand times.
 
2013-02-08 01:17:49 PM
CSB Time:

I'm a daily bike commuter.  I was riding on my normal route down a fairly quiet neighborhood street.  I saw an oncoming car and I also heard a car coming up behind me at the same time.  I could see that all 3 of us were going to converge in the same spot on the road.  Trying to be nice, I skirted the right side as far as I could so I wasn't in the way.  Usually I am pretty good about checking side mirrors for people getting out of their cars, but at this moment I was looking at the oncoming car.

Right as all 3 of us started to converge a guy did the kick open door thing right as I was approaching his back quarter panel.  I didn't see the door open as much as I heard it.  Because of the timing, I didn't hit the open door, I hit the door frame, the impact being on my right hand and then also my right shin that hit the edge of the open door.  It immediately threw my bike on the ground and I did a sort of half-corkscrew out of my bike seat (and my clipless pedals) into the air and landed on my back.  The impact on the ground made my head whip backwards into the pavement.  I was wearing a helmet and I will never forget the sound it made on the road; it was just the loudest plastic sounding THWACK.  The first thought in my head was "wow that helmet worked great".  I slowly stood up and surveyed the damage.  Meanwhile the people in the two cars had gotten out and also the guy that had opened the door and they were all sort of panicking and making sure I was OK.  My leg had a pretty deep bruise but was not broken, my finger required quite a few stitches and it was kind of misaligned for awhile, but ultimately it healed all of the way.

The lesson learned is fark being polite to cars sometimes.  Sometimes you just have to ride in the middle of the damn road and take your space.  I was trying to be too polite.  Of course now when this same situation arises, I stand my ground in the middle of the road, but of course I have a different set of problems in that the guy behind me sometimes honks, or waits and then speeds around me like I'm the worst person in the world.  I still try to stay out of the way, but if it requires me to put myself in danger, I'm going to get in the middle of the road where everyone can see me.

Ultimately the problem is with the way our roads are designed.  Most cities are not laid out to handle bikers and cars in a sensible way.  Combine that with the fact that people in general don't really know how to react when they see a bike, and you get a lot of confusion.
 
2013-02-08 01:25:06 PM
Anyone who rides a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac
 
2013-02-08 01:35:40 PM
Website not loading for me. I assuem that this is exactly what it sounds like? People hitting bicyclists with doors? On purpose? Asshole move. On accident? I think both sides need to work to be more aware of the other. If you are riding up and see someone pull into a spot or move like they are reaching for the door, use your brain...
 
2013-02-08 01:35:43 PM

letrole: Anyone who rides a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac


Noone has to feign disgust over a Big Mac, it's genuine.
 
2013-02-08 01:38:26 PM

Norad: Yay. Another 'dick cyclist/motorist' thread.


Never ridden a dick cycle. is it hard?
 
2013-02-08 01:47:10 PM

Mikey1969: Norad: Yay. Another 'dick cyclist/motorist' thread.

Never ridden a dick cycle. is it hard?


I imagine it is in spurts.
 
2013-02-08 02:00:59 PM

Mikey1969: Norad: Yay. Another 'dick cyclist/motorist' thread.

Never ridden a dick cycle. is it hard?


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Now, IT is easily operated using four flexigrip handles. Two of them are on each side. Left side for throttle, right side for steering. The third flexigrip is gently inserted into the anus, to keep the driver in place. It extends into his anus and ...there we go. Now, the final flexigrip is directly in front of the driver so that its small switches can be operatered with the mouth, as such.
 
2013-02-08 02:03:54 PM
That's why I always go bike riding on the bomb ranges. There tends to be less traffic.
spacebison.com
 
2013-02-08 02:07:00 PM

robbiex0r: jaybeezey: Vodka Zombie: I've always heard it referred to as assault or assault with a deadly weapon.

Really? I always heard that you should be careful when riding your bicycle and follow the rules of the road.

What does that have to do with motorists opening doors without checking if it's safe to do?


Nothing, the Cool Kids™ just like to bag on cyclists, no matter what the topic. In reality, this(like pretty much everything else in life) is a two-way street. Cyclists need to pull their heads out of their asses and be aware(Many don't seem to notice where they are), and people in cars need to do the same damn thing.
 
2013-02-08 02:25:37 PM

Mikey1969: Nothing, the Cool Kids™ just like to bag on cyclists, no matter what the topic. In reality, this(like pretty much everything else in life) is a two-way street. Cyclists need to pull their heads out of their asses and be aware(Many don't seem to notice where they are), and people in cars need to do the same damn thing.


Well said sir.  Now can we move on to the real issue:  SKiiers vs Snowboarders?
 
2013-02-08 02:38:56 PM

fireclown: Mikey1969: Nothing, the Cool Kids™ just like to bag on cyclists, no matter what the topic. In reality, this(like pretty much everything else in life) is a two-way street. Cyclists need to pull their heads out of their asses and be aware(Many don't seem to notice where they are), and people in cars need to do the same damn thing.

Well said sir.  Now can we move on to the real issue:  SKiiers vs Snowboarders?


Same thing, both groups need to meet in the middle and remember the rule that the uphill rider is responsible. Skiers and snowboarders both seem to forget this rule and run you over without hesitation.
 
2013-02-08 02:42:49 PM
ZeroCorpse:
Actually, that varies by state.

In Michigan it's perfectly legal (and in many cases preferred) for a cyclist to ride the sidewalk, providing that he remembers that pedestrians have right-of-way and yields to them whenever necessary.


And it's more dangerous for the cyclist to be on the sidewalk. Why? Because cars roll through stop signs and cross walks all the time. Motorists are able to see a pedestrian better than a cyclist going faster. If the bike is further out into the lane, it gives the driver the time needed to stop.

Warlordtrooper:
When traffic in a single lane road has to go 2 MPH because the guy riding a bicycle can't pedal any faster.  Yes that is an inconvenience and don't you dare to pretend that it isn't.

Are you exagerating or did you mean 20mph? What's the speed limit anyway, 35?  You're correct, it is an inconvenience. Learn to live with it. Your precious life isn't going to collapse because you lost a 30 seconds while trying to pass. You're just impatient. You're one of those people that intimidate by honking your horn. If I could hand you this big green nugget on my desk, I would. Relax.

What the Fark is up with the spandex prejudice? Why are you profiling? Are we dealing with some hidden homosexual desires here? What if the person is training for a decathalon? Why would you treat the person differently than someone biking to work?

//some of you are farking weird
 
2013-02-08 02:46:14 PM

Mikey1969: fireclown: Mikey1969: Nothing, the Cool Kids™ just like to bag on cyclists, no matter what the topic. In reality, this(like pretty much everything else in life) is a two-way street. Cyclists need to pull their heads out of their asses and be aware(Many don't seem to notice where they are), and people in cars need to do the same damn thing.

Well said sir.  Now can we move on to the real issue:  SKiiers vs Snowboarders?

Same thing, both groups need to meet in the middle and remember the rule that the uphill rider is responsible. Skiers and snowboarders both seem to forget this rule and run you over without hesitation.


Muslims and Jews?
 
2013-02-08 02:48:58 PM
The funniest thing is we have a bunch of cyclists claiming that bikes should follow the same rule of the road as cars. Then in the same breath they want the car to be guilty of opening their door. If I am driving my car, and I shear the door off a parked vehicle, the parked car is not at fault.

You want to be on a road and have the same laws as cars, go for it. You do not get to pick and choose.
 
2013-02-08 02:58:37 PM

fireclown: Mikey1969: fireclown: Mikey1969: Nothing, the Cool Kids™ just like to bag on cyclists, no matter what the topic. In reality, this(like pretty much everything else in life) is a two-way street. Cyclists need to pull their heads out of their asses and be aware(Many don't seem to notice where they are), and people in cars need to do the same damn thing.

Well said sir.  Now can we move on to the real issue:  SKiiers vs Snowboarders?

Same thing, both groups need to meet in the middle and remember the rule that the uphill rider is responsible. Skiers and snowboarders both seem to forget this rule and run you over without hesitation.

Muslims and Jews?


Stay in your own corner, believe what you want, but quit trying to kill each other or take what's theirs because your brand of religion doesn't equal their brand of religion. If your Book calls for the killing of 'them', maybe it's time to get a new book. If you don't like something about them, it doesn't justify starting a war... Another two-way street.

How am I doing so far? The religion one is a toughie...
 
2013-02-08 03:04:43 PM

pkellmey: ZeroCorpse: MajorityWhip: 7. The pedestian has the right of way above the cyclist. The pedestrian owns the crosswalk. The cyclist has the right of way above the automobile. The cyclist is not allowed to travel on the sidewalk. That's why it's called a sidewalk and not a sideride. Therefore, the cyclist does own the lane. Embrace it. Love it. It's the law.

Actually, that varies by state.

In Michigan it's perfectly legal (and in many cases preferred) for a cyclist to ride the sidewalk, providing that he remembers that pedestrians have right-of-way and yields to them whenever necessary.

Completely legal in Illinois as well. Interestingly enough, you are also required to make an audible noise when approaching pedestrians from behind,



Cycling laws, like a number of other traffic ordinances, are minucipal ordinances rather than state laws.
In Louisville, KY, for instance, it is illegal for anyone over the age of 11 to ride their bike on the sidewalk, and if you are in the designated "downtown" area no-one of any age is permitted to ride on the sidewalk.
 
2013-02-08 03:05:04 PM

thiefofdreams:  If I am driving my car, and I shear the door off a parked vehicle, the parked car is not at fault.


Wrong. I mean yeah if you completely sideswipe a parked car with a closed door, sure, but thats not what were talking about. If you open your car door without looking on a tight street and another car takes it off, its your fault, your car door was not a pedestrian in a crosswalk, your car door impeded the flow of traffic. The onus is on you to check for oncoming cars before opening your door, not for a driver to watch every single parked car theyre passing at 35mph.
 
2013-02-08 03:08:18 PM

give me doughnuts: pkellmey: ZeroCorpse: MajorityWhip: 7. The pedestian has the right of way above the cyclist. The pedestrian owns the crosswalk. The cyclist has the right of way above the automobile. The cyclist is not allowed to travel on the sidewalk. That's why it's called a sidewalk and not a sideride. Therefore, the cyclist does own the lane. Embrace it. Love it. It's the law.

Actually, that varies by state.

In Michigan it's perfectly legal (and in many cases preferred) for a cyclist to ride the sidewalk, providing that he remembers that pedestrians have right-of-way and yields to them whenever necessary.

Completely legal in Illinois as well. Interestingly enough, you are also required to make an audible noise when approaching pedestrians from behind,


Cycling laws, like a number of other traffic ordinances, are minucipal ordinances rather than state laws.
In Louisville, KY, for instance, it is illegal for anyone over the age of 11 to ride their bike on the sidewalk, and if you are in the designated "downtown" area no-one of any age is permitted to ride on the sidewalk.


Never knew that.   Our bikers here are thankfully rare.  Because they usually end up dead.
 
2013-02-08 03:10:02 PM

fireclown: Mikey1969: Nothing, the Cool Kids™ just like to bag on cyclists, no matter what the topic. In reality, this(like pretty much everything else in life) is a two-way street. Cyclists need to pull their heads out of their asses and be aware(Many don't seem to notice where they are), and people in cars need to do the same damn thing.

Well said sir.  Now can we move on to the real issue:  SKiiers vs Snowboarders?



Snowboarders are the scum of the Earth. You should earn a bounty for each one you kill.
 
2013-02-08 03:19:26 PM

Cyno01: thiefofdreams:  If I am driving my car, and I shear the door off a parked vehicle, the parked car is not at fault.

Wrong. I mean yeah if you completely sideswipe a parked car with a closed door, sure, but thats not what were talking about. If you open your car door without looking on a tight street and another car takes it off, its your fault, your car door was not a pedestrian in a crosswalk, your car door impeded the flow of traffic. The onus is on you to check for oncoming cars before opening your door, not for a driver to watch every single parked car theyre passing at 35mph.


You know how I know you have never had someone open a door in front of your car. Because my insurance company would love to know how you would have won the court case that ended with them paying because some jackwad opened his truck door as I was passing him in my car.

I am sure their lawyers are waiting for your phone call right now.
 
2013-02-08 03:49:42 PM
If someone doored me intentionally, you can guarantee, if I was still capable of getting up and walking, that I'd apply my U-Lock to their face.
 
2013-02-08 04:21:51 PM

louiedog: Some of the absolutely insane cyclists that I've talked to act like dooring is the worst crime in the world. You know what? It sucks. People need to look at what's coming before opening their door. I'm in agreement.

However, some of those very same people refuse to wear helmets because, "if a car hits you going 60 mph the helmet is going to do just enough to save you and make you like, a vegetable." Really? Weren't you concerned with running into the door of a stationary car a minute ago? When you fall from that and hit your head on the pavement, a helmet might come in handy.

Someone who writes stuff online that I like to read hit an unmarked pothole, flipped over his bike, and ended up with a broken collarbone yesterday. He was wearing a helmet which helped out a whole lot in that situation.


I always caught myself on my forearms... I would have road rash up and down my arms and legs(Still have a few scars just from road rash), but never once broke anything. I agree, the unmarked pothole thing sucks, I did it once, and the only upside was that I got great tips the next two weeks, I guess people felt sorry for me... :)
 
2013-02-08 04:35:28 PM
Speaking as someone who had emergency brain surgery without anesthetic of any type because I was hit by a car, I must say that most cyclists don't pay adequate attention to the world around them. If you're on a bike, and you haven't done everything in your power to ensure that there won't be an accident, it's at least 50% your fault.
 
2013-02-08 05:12:35 PM

thiefofdreams: Cyno01: thiefofdreams:  If I am driving my car, and I shear the door off a parked vehicle, the parked car is not at fault.

Wrong. I mean yeah if you completely sideswipe a parked car with a closed door, sure, but thats not what were talking about. If you open your car door without looking on a tight street and another car takes it off, its your fault, your car door was not a pedestrian in a crosswalk, your car door impeded the flow of traffic. The onus is on you to check for oncoming cars before opening your door, not for a driver to watch every single parked car theyre passing at 35mph.

You know how I know you have never had someone open a door in front of your car. Because my insurance company would love to know how you would have won the court case that ended with them paying because some jackwad opened his truck door as I was passing him in my car.

I am sure their lawyers are waiting for your phone call right now.


AK may just have some weird traffic laws, from a quick google for car door fault it seems that in most states the parked car is almost always at fault in that scenario, with lots of specific statutes in some cases. You seem pretty pissed about it, so im guessing you agree that it was the parked guys fault even if not legally in your state?
 
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