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(Hampton Roads)   Virginia wants to make "dooring" bicyclists illegal. Subby has always heard it referred as "door-checking"   (hamptonroads.com) divider line 155
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2013-02-08 07:34:04 AM  
Oh, that is certainly a well written law with no ambiguity whatsoever.  Nope, I certainly feel confident that I didn't look at the cop the wrong way and he won't slap a $100 fine (plus probably $200 in fees) on me with no real way to prove otherwise.
 
2013-02-08 07:36:32 AM  
And people wonder why bicycles cruise down the middle of the lane.
 
2013-02-08 07:38:48 AM  

EatenTheSun: A violation would carry a $100 civil penalty.

Worth it.


Can you buy a season pass?
 
2013-02-08 07:41:52 AM  

edmo: And people wonder why bicycles cruise down the middle of the lane.


this
 
2013-02-08 07:44:40 AM  

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: I love riding my bike. Most fun I have had getting some exercise aside from martial arts class or sex butt guys


You get exercise from sex butt guys?

Is that in martial arts class, or does that happen later?
 
2013-02-08 07:47:02 AM  

LDM90: They should somehow work tipping into these bicyclist threads. The comments would be in the 1000s!


Do you tip your courier that delivered by bike? Obviously he could use extra cash to afford a car.
 
2013-02-08 07:50:19 AM  

Valiente: When I was a cycle courier, it was called "the door prize".

CSB: Saw someone opening a door without a mirror check, right in front of me, and instead of veering out into traffic, I veered into their exiting left leg.

It sounds like celery being snapped inside a towel. The bone, not the screaming.

/CSB.
//I clip the occasional texting jaywalker, too. People think evolution is passive. It's not.


I would love to run you over with my suv......then back up over you.
 
2013-02-08 07:53:10 AM  

Vodka Zombie: I've always heard it referred to as assault or assault with a deadly weapon.


Yep. Nothing to see here. Move along.
 
2013-02-08 07:54:48 AM  
Let me make sure I understand.  They want to make it illegal?  That means right now it is not illegal?

*makes weekend plans*
 
2013-02-08 07:57:52 AM  
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2013-02-08 08:09:44 AM  
Valiente:  I consider my fellow humans incapable of logic or impulse control.

Says the person who's first impulse is to try and break someone's leg when they could have avoided them or 'clips' people for not paying attention to them.

~rolls eyes~
 
2013-02-08 08:11:14 AM  
As a hiker(urban and woods), and cyclist who does the daily commute by car - most cyclists are assholes.

Ever noticed a cyclist not being an asshole? No, and you shouldn't, either. That's the point.
 
2013-02-08 08:19:37 AM  

MythDragon: IAMTHEINTARWEBS: I love riding my bike. Most fun I have had getting some exercise aside from martial arts class or sex butt guys

You get exercise from sex butt guys?

Is that in martial arts class, or does that happen later?


OH man. Never post before caffiene. There's my little PSA for you all.

I did make me LOL though
so I got that going for me
 
2013-02-08 08:20:01 AM  
I don't understand this shiat.  Who would open their door in the city (or anywhere else) without checking to see if there is a car coming?  You would have to be one narcissistic 'the world revolves around me biatch' to think it is up to some other guy in a car to be checking in case you happen to open your door.
 
2013-02-08 08:21:02 AM  
Wouldn't it already be illegal under the whole 'Battery' thing? I kind of always assumed it was.
 
2013-02-08 08:21:26 AM  

Valiente: When I was a cycle courier, it was called "the door prize".

CSB: Saw someone opening a door without a mirror check, right in front of me, and instead of veering out into traffic, I veered into their exiting left leg.

It sounds like celery being snapped inside a towel. The bone, not the screaming.

/CSB.
//I clip the occasional texting jaywalker, too. People think evolution is passive. It's not.


I was going to give you a 3/10 but then I saw you actually got a couple bites so....
 
2013-02-08 08:22:51 AM  

Valiente: When I was a cycle courier, it was called "the door prize".

CSB: Saw someone opening a door without a mirror check, right in front of me, and instead of veering out into traffic, I veered into their exiting left leg.

It sounds like celery being snapped inside a towel. The bone, not the screaming.

/CSB.
//I clip the occasional texting jaywalker, too. People think evolution is passive. It's not.


If you sound like the typical bicyclist who think they own the road. You take out pedestrians. Drivers take you out evolution and all that right?
 
2013-02-08 08:25:12 AM  

starsrift: As a hiker(urban and woods), and cyclist who does the daily commute by car - most cyclists are assholes.

Ever noticed a cyclist not being an asshole? No, and you shouldn't, either. That's the point.


Actually, when you're operating a several-thousand-lb vehicle, I'm pretty sure that noticing everything on the road is the point.  And, you know, even some things that aren't on the road, but might be soon.
 
2013-02-08 08:27:52 AM  
In NYC, the motorist is at fault for dooring a cyclist. Some of the bike lanes are not in actual door-clearance distances as they are supposed to be, so that doesn't help. This is why I like to ride in protected bike lanes and greenways. I avoid the streets except to get to a protected bike lane or greenway.
 
2013-02-08 08:29:20 AM  
CSB Time:

Was getting out of a taxi in DC one day and, I guess, some biker had decided that he REALLY needed to go around between the sidewalk and the cab.

Opened the door right into his front tire, dude went flying face first into the bumper of the car parked by the cab.

Looked like it hurt like hell
 
2013-02-08 08:30:03 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: You would have to be one narcissistic 'the world revolves around me biatch' to think it is up to some other guy in a car to be checking in case you happen to open your door.


Unfortunately, a lot of people's cars seem to contain a pocket universe, outside of which nothing is actually real or important.
 
2013-02-08 08:31:55 AM  
Article won't load.  I'm assuming they're making it illegal to NOT door-check bicyclists.
 
2013-02-08 08:32:04 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: I don't understand this shiat.  Who would open their door in the city (or anywhere else) without checking to see if there is a car coming?  You would have to be one narcissistic 'the world revolves around me biatch' to think it is up to some other guy in a car to be checking in case you happen to open your door.


A few years ago here in Nashville, I was friends with a bunch of self-professed "bike punks", who loved riding between cars as they were stopped at traffic lights. Like so:

[car]    [car]
[car] B [car]
[car]    [car]

They said they did it to piss off the "cagers" who had to stop and wait in line, while they were free to asshole themselves past. They said a lot of drivers tried to pop their door open real quick to force them to stop.
...not the brightest crayons in the toolbox.
 
2013-02-08 08:32:23 AM  

djones101: They should give out $100 bonuses for every pretentious bicycling hipster snob that gets door'd.  Sorry, but you do NOT own the lane and the entire road around it.


Wow that was Alpha. I bet you just REEK of Axe.
 
2013-02-08 08:35:18 AM  
You know, in my car, I'm held responsible for anything I hit while in motion.  A cyclist should be held accountable in the same way, get in the farking middle of the lane, I don't care, cruising next to doors is idiotic.

/Stay in the middle of the lane too, creeping up past a line of 20 cars at in intersection is a dick move and makes me want to door you myself.
 
2013-02-08 08:48:57 AM  
Assholes can be counted on to be assholes.
This applies no matter what you ride/drive.

From the fat angry asshole in the SUV who is passed off that they are stuck in traffic, to the pretentious asshole mainlining between rows of stopped cars to blow a stop sign.

Dipshiat drivers need to learn that they do NOT have a right to be on the road, and asshat cyclists need to learn that the rules apply to them too.

That said, I tend to side with the cyclist. I don't usually see a cyclist do on the road what hasn't been done with a car/truck. It's hardly fair to vilify a biker for blowing a stop sign when not a single car in a 15-long line of them don't come to a complete stop either.
 
2013-02-08 08:50:44 AM  

timswar:  A bicyclist SHOULD be in the center of the land and shouldn't veer to the side unless they feel the car behind them has sufficient room to pass safely.


In Virginia you could be cited for impeding the flow if you take the whole lane (certain situations excepted).

From VDOT:
Bicyclists operating a bicycle on a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place under conditions then existing shall ride as close as safely practicable to the right curb or edge of roadway. Exceptions to this are...

I think this is the largest problem with biking in general.  The laws vary too much from state to state and even from town to town.  Lets get some consistency in the laws (and there enforcement) and a lot of the problems between drivers and bikers will start to mellow out.

/Would ultimately work best if "don't be a dick" could be codified into law.
 
2013-02-08 08:51:04 AM  
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Not pleased. Not pleased at all.
 
2013-02-08 08:51:11 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: MmmmBacon: In Portlandia, you do that to a Cyclist, the rest of their pack will have you strung up from the nearest Starbucks sign in minutes.

My adventures with Portlandia bikers, summed:

"Cars suck!"
"Yeah, cars suck! They should be outlawed!"
"Bikers rule"
"Yeah! Cars suck! Air-polluting energy wasters for lazy bastards!"

"Um, By the way, I'm moving next week. Does anyone have a truck I can borrow?"
"Yeah, and, uh, I need some help getting groceries and a few things from the hardware store. Can somebody give me a ride?"


Oh, this is like the time you saved that antigun lady from being raped in a parking cellar, because you always carry a gun.

She's a member of the NRA now.
 
2013-02-08 08:53:31 AM  

Norad: Yay. Another 'dick cyclist/motorist' thread.


We need to get them all one the same road at the same time, let the first responders get some practice cleaning up the bodies and get on with our lives.
 
2013-02-08 08:56:25 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: However, bicyclists will now be arrested and given transvaginal ultrasounds as a matter of routine.


and we're done here.
 
2013-02-08 09:01:41 AM  
As long as it's still ok to do to the motorcyclist that thinks it's ok to go 50 between cars stuck in a traffic jam, I'm ok with this.
 
2013-02-08 09:04:39 AM  
Seems like this would do more damage to your car door than for it to be worth it.
 
2013-02-08 09:12:45 AM  
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As the great Chris Rock said, I don't agree, but I understand.
 
2013-02-08 09:20:07 AM  

DubtodaIll: Seems like this would do more damage to your car door than for it to be worth it.


Yeah, you know, twice in my life I've had cars with doors that had been "sprung" in one mishap or another.  You'd think they could be repaired, but frankly once a door has been sprung you have two choices: spend a lotta bucks with mechanics and bodyworkers trying to get it to open and close correctly, or just sell the car. The last option is a lot faster and easier on your nerves.
 
2013-02-08 09:21:08 AM  

DubtodaIll: Seems like this would do more damage to your car door than for it to be worth it.


Which is why cyclists should be required to carry insurance.  Must be nice to damage someone's car without financial liability.
 
2013-02-08 09:26:22 AM  

Girion47: DubtodaIll: Seems like this would do more damage to your car door than for it to be worth it.

Which is why cyclists should be required to carry insurance.  Must be nice to damage someone's car without financial liability.


People always with the insurance.  I know this is a ridiculous line of thinking but I'd like to see all insurance abolished and return to indentured servitude, duels, and self-reliance.  Just think it would be less paperwork and make people more responsible.
 
2013-02-08 09:30:10 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: I don't understand this shiat.  Who would open their door in the city (or anywhere else) without checking to see if there is a car coming?  You would have to be one narcissistic 'the world revolves around me biatch' to think it is up to some other guy in a car to be checking in case you happen to open your door.


What about the cyclists that ride to the right of cars on the sidewalk and get doored by a passenger getting out?  Do passengers have mirrors?  Also, does a bicyclist always make an easy to spot silouhette at a distance that may be closing at 20 or so mph?  Remember in this world, it is never one way or the other like law folks like to make it.  Besides, this will not change the way seniors kill younger folks.

/I do think it is funny when drivers' lose their doors to other vehicles.  If you can't see a vehicle in the mirror, then you shouldn't be driving.
 
2013-02-08 09:33:27 AM  
Frankly, if you throw open a car door without making sure there is nothing coming or in the vicinity, be it cyclist, pedestrian, mountain lion, trash can, Sherman tank, or jogger, you deserve to have the shiat beaten out of you. End of story.
 
2013-02-08 09:39:33 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: What if it is the passenger door and you pick of an idiot riding on the sidewalk. the cyclist should pay the driver $100


Not sure what the rules are in the various states.  In London, bicyclists can ride the wrong way up one-way streets.  Madness.  What they need to do is impose the same restrictions on bicyclists that they do on every other "motorist".  CBT, licensing, road taxes and insurance.  THEN they have the right to use the roads.  RFID tags for the bikes so they can be ticketed when they run red lights.
 
2013-02-08 09:42:38 AM  

Girion47: DubtodaIll: Seems like this would do more damage to your car door than for it to be worth it.

Which is why cyclists should be required to carry insurance.  Must be nice to damage someone's car without financial liability.


Completely THIS. They are usually the ones that are on the receiving end of the bodily damage, so if they want to compete with vehicles, they should be paying for their gamble.
 
2013-02-08 09:49:17 AM  

Valiente: When I was a cycle courier, it was called "the door prize".

CSB: Saw someone opening a door without a mirror check, right in front of me, and instead of veering out into traffic, I veered into their exiting left leg.

It sounds like celery being snapped inside a towel. The bone, not the screaming.

/CSB.
//I clip the occasional texting jaywalker, too. People think evolution is passive. It's not.


Favorited
 
2013-02-08 09:52:02 AM  

The Loaf: I think this is the largest problem with biking in general. The laws vary too much from state to state and even from town to town. Lets get some consistency in the laws (and there enforcement) and a lot of the problems between drivers and bikers will start to mellow out.


For new roads, sure.  But good luck getting the money to bring up ALL existing roads to that standard.
 
2013-02-08 09:54:09 AM  

pkellmey: Girion47: DubtodaIll: Seems like this would do more damage to your car door than for it to be worth it.

Which is why cyclists should be required to carry insurance.  Must be nice to damage someone's car without financial liability.

Completely THIS. They are usually the ones that are on the receiving end of the bodily damage, so if they want to compete with vehicles, they should be paying for their gamble.


Looking at the way the laws work and how people love to sue.  Wouldn't be it be better to just kill the cyclist and claim it was an accident then be sued by them?
 
2013-02-08 09:55:34 AM  

spawn73: Lenny_da_Hog: MmmmBacon: In Portlandia, you do that to a Cyclist, the rest of their pack will have you strung up from the nearest Starbucks sign in minutes.

My adventures with Portlandia bikers, summed:

"Cars suck!"
"Yeah, cars suck! They should be outlawed!"
"Bikers rule"
"Yeah! Cars suck! Air-polluting energy wasters for lazy bastards!"

"Um, By the way, I'm moving next week. Does anyone have a truck I can borrow?"
"Yeah, and, uh, I need some help getting groceries and a few things from the hardware store. Can somebody give me a ride?"

Oh, this is like the time you saved that antigun lady from being raped in a parking cellar, because you always carry a gun.

.

Or like that time Michael Jackson come over to his house to use the bathroom?
Or like that he saved those old people from that nursing home fire, right ?
Or like the time he ate his weight in Godfather's pizza ?
Or like the time he told us about the fifty Iranian terrorists who took over all the Sizzler steakhouses in the city ?
 
2013-02-08 09:59:28 AM  
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Oh look, it's THIS thread again.
 
2013-02-08 10:08:08 AM  
we've got plenty of bike lanes in Austin so the cyclists can play make believe tour de france. Great, grand, good for you. You're  leading a healthy active lifestyle while I drink beer. What I hate is when the bike lane ends and they have to join a roadway with no bike lane and they hold up traffic. Also too, it seems that even though they are a vehicle on the road, they seem to get away with more traffic violations than a driver of a car/truck----i.e. riding on the sidewalk, crossing an intersection at a red light, no reflectors or lights to make them visible. Yesterday, I had a "gang" of cyclists in all the same uniforms pass me illegally on both sides while I was waiting at a red light and proceed to go through it because "no cars were coming". I would love to try and get out of that ticket in a car/truck with that excuse.
 
2013-02-08 10:12:29 AM  

Mach10: Assholes can be counted on to be assholes.
This applies no matter what you ride/drive.

From the fat angry asshole in the SUV who is passed off that they are stuck in traffic, to the pretentious asshole mainlining between rows of stopped cars to blow a stop sign.

Dipshiat drivers need to learn that they do NOT have a right to be on the road, and asshat cyclists need to learn that the rules apply to them too.

That said, I tend to side with the cyclist. I don't usually see a cyclist do on the road what hasn't been done with a car/truck. It's hardly fair to vilify a biker for blowing a stop sign when not a single car in a 15-long line of them don't come to a complete stop either.


Two favorites in one thread! A new record! Exclamation marks!!
 
2013-02-08 10:21:48 AM  

fireclown: [watermarked.cutcaster.com image 450x296]
Oh look, it's THIS thread again.


Image thief!
 
2013-02-08 10:22:53 AM  

LDM90: They should somehow work tipping into these bicyclist threads. The comments would be in the 1000s!


Dear Consumerist,

I recently had my fixed-gear Specialized serviced at a local zero-landfill bicycle shop.  When Sage, the resident cogsmith, had finished his 110-point check of my cycle, was it impolite of me to not tip him?

Graciously,

Sven Morningstar,  Mother Earth's Humble Custodian
 
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