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(Hampton Roads)   Virginia wants to make "dooring" bicyclists illegal. Subby has always heard it referred as "door-checking"   (hamptonroads.com) divider line 156
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2013-02-08 12:18:01 AM  
You'd think that would already qualify as criminal recklessness of some sort.
 
2013-02-08 12:22:24 AM  
I've always heard it referred to as assault or assault with a deadly weapon.
 
2013-02-08 12:34:47 AM  
A violation would carry a $100 civil penalty.

Worth it.
 
2013-02-08 12:36:44 AM  
It's only assault if you mean to hit someone. The actual article is more about opening your door without making sure it's safe to do so.
 
2013-02-08 01:47:49 AM  
mojoimage.com


"What's happening, Luther?"


/not a bicycle, but still funny
 
2013-02-08 02:25:56 AM  
I would think "dooring" fits under "unsafe operation of a motor vehicle."
 
2013-02-08 02:29:00 AM  

EatenTheSun: A violation would carry a $100 civil penalty.

Worth it.


Seriously. I would have never considered doing this as I thought it would result in criminal charges... but $100 fine? That makes it tempting.
 
2013-02-08 03:22:06 AM  
In Portlandia, you do that to a Cyclist, the rest of their pack will have you strung up from the nearest Starbucks sign in minutes.
 
2013-02-08 06:34:33 AM  
They should give out $100 bonuses for every pretentious bicycling hipster snob that gets door'd.  Sorry, but you do NOT own the lane and the entire road around it.
 
2013-02-08 06:34:42 AM  

MmmmBacon: In Portlandia, you do that to a Cyclist, the rest of their pack will have you strung up from the nearest Starbucks sign in minutes.


I was engaging in angry mob justice before it was cool.
 
2013-02-08 06:37:20 AM  

djones101: They should give out $100 bonuses for every pretentious bicycling hipster snob that gets door'd.  Sorry, but you do NOT own the lane and the entire road around it.


Hey, hey, everyone!  This guy is EDGY /and/ COOL.  Acknowledge him!
 
2013-02-08 06:37:24 AM  
When I was a cycle courier, it was called "the door prize".

CSB: Saw someone opening a door without a mirror check, right in front of me, and instead of veering out into traffic, I veered into their exiting left leg.

It sounds like celery being snapped inside a towel. The bone, not the screaming.

/CSB.
//I clip the occasional texting jaywalker, too. People think evolution is passive. It's not.
 
2013-02-08 06:37:39 AM  
Yay. Another 'dick cyclist/motorist' thread.
 
2013-02-08 06:38:00 AM  

Vodka Zombie: I've always heard it referred to as assault or assault with a deadly weapon.


Really? I always heard that you should be careful when riding your bicycle and follow the rules of the road.
 
2013-02-08 06:38:01 AM  
This ain't the end of dooring. Beautiful friend.
No safety or surprise, the end.
 
2013-02-08 06:38:49 AM  

MmmmBacon: In Portlandia, you do that to a Cyclist, the rest of their pack will have you strung up from the nearest Starbucks sign in minutes.


My adventures with Portlandia bikers, summed:

"Cars suck!"
"Yeah, cars suck! They should be outlawed!"
"Bikers rule"
"Yeah! Cars suck! Air-polluting energy wasters for lazy bastards!"

"Um, By the way, I'm moving next week. Does anyone have a truck I can borrow?"
"Yeah, and, uh, I need some help getting groceries and a few things from the hardware store. Can somebody give me a ride?"
 
2013-02-08 06:39:43 AM  

Norad: Yay. Another 'dick cyclist/motorist' thread.

 
2013-02-08 06:39:47 AM  
but what's the fine for damaging my poor car door?
 
2013-02-08 06:40:34 AM  
I avoid riding in places with parallel parked cars as much as I can, but when I do, I'm constantly on the lookout for people in the cars.

So I'll probably be killed by a short blue hair in a big ol Cadillac, one of these days.
 
2013-02-08 06:40:34 AM  
Seems like a lot of trouble to carry a whole door around just for smacking cyclists.
 
2013-02-08 06:41:10 AM  

djones101: They should give out $100 bonuses for every pretentious bicycling hipster snob that gets door'd.  Sorry, but you do NOT own the lane and the entire road around it.


Valiente: When I was a cycle courier, it was called "the door prize".

CSB: Saw someone opening a door without a mirror check, right in front of me, and instead of veering out into traffic, I veered into their exiting left leg.

It sounds like celery being snapped inside a towel. The bone, not the screaming.

/CSB.
//I clip the occasional texting jaywalker, too. People think evolution is passive. It's not.


You two were made for each other.
 
2013-02-08 06:44:46 AM  

lolpix: You'd think that would already qualify as criminal recklessness of some sort.


This. It seems like this bill is targeting a problem that doesn't really exist.  Between whatever current traffic laws are on the books and the inevitable lawsuit by the cyclist, you can pretty much bank on getting reamed by the courts.  Even if it was an accident.

/But you gotta court the spandex brigade vote somehow...
 
2013-02-08 06:44:49 AM  

EatenTheSun: A violation would carry a $100 civil penalty.

Worth it.


Thread done
 
2013-02-08 06:46:43 AM  
So one might assume, but I'm cool with the rules. Doing a mirror check is one of them. If I am in my lane, the onus is not on me to anticipate your sudden door booting, although mostly, I do, but that's because I consider my fellow humans incapable of logic or impulse control.

Dick cyclists annoy me as well as any driver, but physics favours the powered, one tonne object over "Lance the barista".
 
2013-02-08 06:48:15 AM  
I've never seen anything like this, but there's not a huge amount of cycling done in HR in general. Are the the drivers pulling up almost on the sidewalk and hitting people when they open the door? Are they stopping just on the right side and flinging their doors open?
 
2013-02-08 06:48:37 AM  
However, bicyclists will now be arrested and given transvaginal ultrasounds as a matter of routine.
 
2013-02-08 06:48:43 AM  
They should somehow work tipping into these bicyclist threads. The comments would be in the 1000s!
 
2013-02-08 06:50:36 AM  

Capo Del Bandito: I've never seen anything like this, but there's not a huge amount of cycling done in HR in general. Are the the drivers pulling up almost on the sidewalk and hitting people when they open the door? Are they stopping just on the right side and flinging their doors open?


that's how to troll, right there
 
2013-02-08 06:51:32 AM  
I saw a bicyclist get doored once. It was hilarious.

I laughed even harder as the ambulance carried away his corpse.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-08 06:53:43 AM  
I would have thought it would be covered under simple assault. Strange that it's not.
 
2013-02-08 06:54:53 AM  
Got doored about 5 years ago. Would have been okay, but unfortunately there was a car behind me that drove over me when I was on the ground.
/painful story, bro
 
2013-02-08 06:56:05 AM  
Working for over a decade in 'frisco
I've learned that cyclists who act like arseholes usually get it in the end
or rather
 dragged by a car, crushed against walls/other vehicles etc
or in one glorious case I worked..hit by a cement truck
driver swears he never saw the idiot playing chicken with him

Hard to keep a straight face with the crying friends and family in their cycling tights
on a good note, the company successfully sued for the loss and cleaning
 of a truck full of cement
so all ended well
 
2013-02-08 06:57:03 AM  
A friend of mine had a cyclist hit his car door on a quiet residential street once.  I remember it well.  "Close the dooooooor.......   Thump."  The cyclist had to pay for the damages to the door.

Slow down and pay attention morons.
 
2013-02-08 06:59:06 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: djones101: They should give out $100 bonuses for every pretentious bicycling hipster snob that gets door'd.  Sorry, but you do NOT own the lane and the entire road around it.

Hey, hey, everyone!  This guy is EDGY /and/ COOL.  Acknowledge him!


It's possible you are your not edgy at all and think Bicycling hipsters do own the lane.
//just throwing that out there
 
2013-02-08 06:59:58 AM  
farm1.static.flickr.com

/ what a REAL doorcheck looks like
// tips hat to TACPs & FACs
 
2013-02-08 07:01:23 AM  

natas6.0: Working for over a decade in 'frisco
I've learned that cyclists who act like arseholes usually get it in the end
or rather
 dragged by a car, crushed against walls/other vehicles etc
or in one glorious case I worked..hit by a cement truck
driver swears he never saw the idiot playing chicken with him

Hard to keep a straight face with the crying friends and family in their cycling tights
on a good note, the company successfully sued for the loss and cleaning
 of a truck full of cement
so all ended well



Worst.  Poem.  Ever.
 
2013-02-08 07:03:23 AM  
I had that happen to me in midtown manhattan in 2006. Very painful. I got real lucky. my skin "is like piece of iron". Shouldv'e been a lot more injured. Haven't biked since then. I think I will start biking again soon though. I will just be more careful this time.
 
2013-02-08 07:05:42 AM  

LDM90: They should somehow work tipping into these bicyclist threads. The comments would be in the 1000s!


Never happen, you have to be clean to work in a restaurant.
 
2013-02-08 07:08:48 AM  

djones101: They should give out $100 bonuses for every pretentious bicycling hipster snob that gets door'd.  Sorry, but you do NOT own the lane and the entire road around it.


Yes, they do own the lane in my state (NC) and I suspect others. It's a non-motorized vehicle and if there isn't a specific bike lane set up they have just as much of a right to the road as anyone else. A bicyclist SHOULD be in the center of the land and shouldn't veer to the side unless they feel the car behind them has sufficient room to pass safely.

Of course. They're also supposed to follow all the other normal traffic laws. Stoplights/Stop signs, yield signs, no turn on Red signs. Being on a bike doesn't make you some special car/pedestrian hybrid, it just makes you another vehicle on the road.
 
2013-02-08 07:10:54 AM  
What if it is the passenger door and you pick of an idiot riding on the sidewalk. the cyclist should pay the driver $100
 
2013-02-08 07:11:55 AM  
Drexl's Eye
you have a point
and you made me spit pistachio all over my screen
 
2013-02-08 07:13:05 AM  

Valiente: When I was a cycle courier, it was called "the door prize".

CSB: Saw someone opening a door without a mirror check, right in front of me, and instead of veering out into traffic, I veered into their exiting left leg.

It sounds like celery being snapped inside a towel. The bone, not the screaming.

/CSB.
//I clip the occasional texting jaywalker, too. People think evolution is passive. It's not.



Valiente: Dick cyclists annoy me as well as any driver


Do you even have any self-awareness?
 
2013-02-08 07:17:17 AM  
People take riding a bike and driving way too seriously. Do you know what's best? Walk. Bike riders, you get just as many health benefits from walking...drivers, if you are going to the store at the end of your street, walk there....
Free up the road for the ninja parades that no one sees passing through.
 
2013-02-08 07:20:33 AM  

Wolf892: ninja parades that no one sees


cassandraparkin.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-08 07:20:57 AM  

Valiente: When I was a cycle courier, it was called "the door prize".

CSB: Saw someone opening a door without a mirror check, right in front of me, and instead of veering out into traffic, I veered into their exiting left leg.

It sounds like celery being snapped inside a towel. The bone, not the screaming.

/CSB.
//I clip the occasional texting jaywalker, too. People think evolution is passive. It's not.


Next time you run a red light 'cause you think the traffic laws don't apply to you, I hope someone door checks you to keep you from getting plowed by right of way traffic.

Get in the traffic lane or get off the road.


CSB time,
Just last night, on a road with a full lane width shoulder, after sunset, there was a guy on a bike straddling the right hand white line between the right hand lane and the shoulder. No lights, on a black bicycle with no reflectors, and he was wearing black, and he was shouting at the cars for crowding HIS space.

I love riding my bike. Most fun I have had getting some exercise aside from martial arts class or sex but guys like the guy above... make me hate cyclists. I have to make a concerted effort not to be prejudiced because of a$$holes like this.
 
db2
2013-02-08 07:24:43 AM  
What about front-bumpering? Still okay?
 
2013-02-08 07:25:05 AM  
i46.tinypic.com
Y'all are posting in a cycle troll thread.
 
2013-02-08 07:30:45 AM  

Wolf892: People take riding a bike and driving way too seriously. Do you know what's best? Walk. Bike riders, you get just as many health benefits from walking...drivers, if you are going to the store at the end of your street, walk there....
Free up the road for the ninja parades that no one sees passing through.


It'd take me a little too long to walk 17 miles to work.

Seriously though, I was always taught as a cyclist, among other things, that getting doored is your own fault.  I know people who cycle in more urban settings skirt or outright break a lot of traffic laws routinely, but there's no excuse.  I try my absolute best to stay a door width away from parked cars and take the lane if I have to.  Usually in that type of place traffic is going slow enough that I can keep up with it anyway.  All of the stories I've heard of people getting doored involve traffic going slower, and then they try to pass on the right.  Which is not legal or safe or smart by any stretch of the imagination.
 
2013-02-08 07:32:16 AM  
Who's responsible if the door gets hit by another car?

Would actually like to know... came very close to hitting a person and their door when they jumped out of the back seat without looking at the gas station last night.
 
2013-02-08 07:32:42 AM  

Valiente: When I was a cycle courier, it was called "the door prize".

CSB: Saw someone opening a door without a mirror check, right in front of me, and instead of veering out into traffic, I veered into their exiting left leg.

It sounds like celery being snapped inside a towel. The bone, not the screaming.

/CSB.
//I clip the occasional texting jaywalker, too. People think evolution is passive. It's not.


And likewise, when a cyclist bows through a red light or stop sign in front of me as I'm driving through an intersection I just keep on driving.
 
2013-02-08 07:34:04 AM  
Oh, that is certainly a well written law with no ambiguity whatsoever.  Nope, I certainly feel confident that I didn't look at the cop the wrong way and he won't slap a $100 fine (plus probably $200 in fees) on me with no real way to prove otherwise.
 
2013-02-08 07:36:32 AM  
And people wonder why bicycles cruise down the middle of the lane.
 
2013-02-08 07:38:48 AM  

EatenTheSun: A violation would carry a $100 civil penalty.

Worth it.


Can you buy a season pass?
 
2013-02-08 07:41:52 AM  

edmo: And people wonder why bicycles cruise down the middle of the lane.


this
 
2013-02-08 07:44:40 AM  

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: I love riding my bike. Most fun I have had getting some exercise aside from martial arts class or sex butt guys


You get exercise from sex butt guys?

Is that in martial arts class, or does that happen later?
 
2013-02-08 07:47:02 AM  

LDM90: They should somehow work tipping into these bicyclist threads. The comments would be in the 1000s!


Do you tip your courier that delivered by bike? Obviously he could use extra cash to afford a car.
 
2013-02-08 07:50:19 AM  

Valiente: When I was a cycle courier, it was called "the door prize".

CSB: Saw someone opening a door without a mirror check, right in front of me, and instead of veering out into traffic, I veered into their exiting left leg.

It sounds like celery being snapped inside a towel. The bone, not the screaming.

/CSB.
//I clip the occasional texting jaywalker, too. People think evolution is passive. It's not.


I would love to run you over with my suv......then back up over you.
 
2013-02-08 07:53:10 AM  

Vodka Zombie: I've always heard it referred to as assault or assault with a deadly weapon.


Yep. Nothing to see here. Move along.
 
2013-02-08 07:54:48 AM  
Let me make sure I understand.  They want to make it illegal?  That means right now it is not illegal?

*makes weekend plans*
 
2013-02-08 07:57:52 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-08 08:09:44 AM  
Valiente:  I consider my fellow humans incapable of logic or impulse control.

Says the person who's first impulse is to try and break someone's leg when they could have avoided them or 'clips' people for not paying attention to them.

~rolls eyes~
 
2013-02-08 08:11:14 AM  
As a hiker(urban and woods), and cyclist who does the daily commute by car - most cyclists are assholes.

Ever noticed a cyclist not being an asshole? No, and you shouldn't, either. That's the point.
 
2013-02-08 08:19:37 AM  

MythDragon: IAMTHEINTARWEBS: I love riding my bike. Most fun I have had getting some exercise aside from martial arts class or sex butt guys

You get exercise from sex butt guys?

Is that in martial arts class, or does that happen later?


OH man. Never post before caffiene. There's my little PSA for you all.

I did make me LOL though
so I got that going for me
 
2013-02-08 08:20:01 AM  
I don't understand this shiat.  Who would open their door in the city (or anywhere else) without checking to see if there is a car coming?  You would have to be one narcissistic 'the world revolves around me biatch' to think it is up to some other guy in a car to be checking in case you happen to open your door.
 
2013-02-08 08:21:02 AM  
Wouldn't it already be illegal under the whole 'Battery' thing? I kind of always assumed it was.
 
2013-02-08 08:21:26 AM  

Valiente: When I was a cycle courier, it was called "the door prize".

CSB: Saw someone opening a door without a mirror check, right in front of me, and instead of veering out into traffic, I veered into their exiting left leg.

It sounds like celery being snapped inside a towel. The bone, not the screaming.

/CSB.
//I clip the occasional texting jaywalker, too. People think evolution is passive. It's not.


I was going to give you a 3/10 but then I saw you actually got a couple bites so....
 
2013-02-08 08:22:51 AM  

Valiente: When I was a cycle courier, it was called "the door prize".

CSB: Saw someone opening a door without a mirror check, right in front of me, and instead of veering out into traffic, I veered into their exiting left leg.

It sounds like celery being snapped inside a towel. The bone, not the screaming.

/CSB.
//I clip the occasional texting jaywalker, too. People think evolution is passive. It's not.


If you sound like the typical bicyclist who think they own the road. You take out pedestrians. Drivers take you out evolution and all that right?
 
2013-02-08 08:25:12 AM  

starsrift: As a hiker(urban and woods), and cyclist who does the daily commute by car - most cyclists are assholes.

Ever noticed a cyclist not being an asshole? No, and you shouldn't, either. That's the point.


Actually, when you're operating a several-thousand-lb vehicle, I'm pretty sure that noticing everything on the road is the point.  And, you know, even some things that aren't on the road, but might be soon.
 
2013-02-08 08:27:52 AM  
In NYC, the motorist is at fault for dooring a cyclist. Some of the bike lanes are not in actual door-clearance distances as they are supposed to be, so that doesn't help. This is why I like to ride in protected bike lanes and greenways. I avoid the streets except to get to a protected bike lane or greenway.
 
2013-02-08 08:29:20 AM  
CSB Time:

Was getting out of a taxi in DC one day and, I guess, some biker had decided that he REALLY needed to go around between the sidewalk and the cab.

Opened the door right into his front tire, dude went flying face first into the bumper of the car parked by the cab.

Looked like it hurt like hell
 
2013-02-08 08:30:03 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: You would have to be one narcissistic 'the world revolves around me biatch' to think it is up to some other guy in a car to be checking in case you happen to open your door.


Unfortunately, a lot of people's cars seem to contain a pocket universe, outside of which nothing is actually real or important.
 
2013-02-08 08:31:55 AM  
Article won't load.  I'm assuming they're making it illegal to NOT door-check bicyclists.
 
2013-02-08 08:32:04 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: I don't understand this shiat.  Who would open their door in the city (or anywhere else) without checking to see if there is a car coming?  You would have to be one narcissistic 'the world revolves around me biatch' to think it is up to some other guy in a car to be checking in case you happen to open your door.


A few years ago here in Nashville, I was friends with a bunch of self-professed "bike punks", who loved riding between cars as they were stopped at traffic lights. Like so:

[car]    [car]
[car] B [car]
[car]    [car]

They said they did it to piss off the "cagers" who had to stop and wait in line, while they were free to asshole themselves past. They said a lot of drivers tried to pop their door open real quick to force them to stop.
...not the brightest crayons in the toolbox.
 
2013-02-08 08:32:23 AM  

djones101: They should give out $100 bonuses for every pretentious bicycling hipster snob that gets door'd.  Sorry, but you do NOT own the lane and the entire road around it.


Wow that was Alpha. I bet you just REEK of Axe.
 
2013-02-08 08:35:18 AM  
You know, in my car, I'm held responsible for anything I hit while in motion.  A cyclist should be held accountable in the same way, get in the farking middle of the lane, I don't care, cruising next to doors is idiotic.

/Stay in the middle of the lane too, creeping up past a line of 20 cars at in intersection is a dick move and makes me want to door you myself.
 
2013-02-08 08:48:57 AM  
Assholes can be counted on to be assholes.
This applies no matter what you ride/drive.

From the fat angry asshole in the SUV who is passed off that they are stuck in traffic, to the pretentious asshole mainlining between rows of stopped cars to blow a stop sign.

Dipshiat drivers need to learn that they do NOT have a right to be on the road, and asshat cyclists need to learn that the rules apply to them too.

That said, I tend to side with the cyclist. I don't usually see a cyclist do on the road what hasn't been done with a car/truck. It's hardly fair to vilify a biker for blowing a stop sign when not a single car in a 15-long line of them don't come to a complete stop either.
 
2013-02-08 08:50:44 AM  

timswar:  A bicyclist SHOULD be in the center of the land and shouldn't veer to the side unless they feel the car behind them has sufficient room to pass safely.


In Virginia you could be cited for impeding the flow if you take the whole lane (certain situations excepted).

From VDOT:
Bicyclists operating a bicycle on a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place under conditions then existing shall ride as close as safely practicable to the right curb or edge of roadway. Exceptions to this are...

I think this is the largest problem with biking in general.  The laws vary too much from state to state and even from town to town.  Lets get some consistency in the laws (and there enforcement) and a lot of the problems between drivers and bikers will start to mellow out.

/Would ultimately work best if "don't be a dick" could be codified into law.
 
2013-02-08 08:51:04 AM  
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Not pleased. Not pleased at all.
 
2013-02-08 08:51:11 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: MmmmBacon: In Portlandia, you do that to a Cyclist, the rest of their pack will have you strung up from the nearest Starbucks sign in minutes.

My adventures with Portlandia bikers, summed:

"Cars suck!"
"Yeah, cars suck! They should be outlawed!"
"Bikers rule"
"Yeah! Cars suck! Air-polluting energy wasters for lazy bastards!"

"Um, By the way, I'm moving next week. Does anyone have a truck I can borrow?"
"Yeah, and, uh, I need some help getting groceries and a few things from the hardware store. Can somebody give me a ride?"


Oh, this is like the time you saved that antigun lady from being raped in a parking cellar, because you always carry a gun.

She's a member of the NRA now.
 
2013-02-08 08:53:31 AM  

Norad: Yay. Another 'dick cyclist/motorist' thread.


We need to get them all one the same road at the same time, let the first responders get some practice cleaning up the bodies and get on with our lives.
 
2013-02-08 08:56:25 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: However, bicyclists will now be arrested and given transvaginal ultrasounds as a matter of routine.


and we're done here.
 
2013-02-08 09:01:41 AM  
As long as it's still ok to do to the motorcyclist that thinks it's ok to go 50 between cars stuck in a traffic jam, I'm ok with this.
 
2013-02-08 09:04:39 AM  
Seems like this would do more damage to your car door than for it to be worth it.
 
2013-02-08 09:12:45 AM  
cdn.cyclingforums.com
As the great Chris Rock said, I don't agree, but I understand.
 
2013-02-08 09:20:07 AM  

DubtodaIll: Seems like this would do more damage to your car door than for it to be worth it.


Yeah, you know, twice in my life I've had cars with doors that had been "sprung" in one mishap or another.  You'd think they could be repaired, but frankly once a door has been sprung you have two choices: spend a lotta bucks with mechanics and bodyworkers trying to get it to open and close correctly, or just sell the car. The last option is a lot faster and easier on your nerves.
 
2013-02-08 09:21:08 AM  

DubtodaIll: Seems like this would do more damage to your car door than for it to be worth it.


Which is why cyclists should be required to carry insurance.  Must be nice to damage someone's car without financial liability.
 
2013-02-08 09:26:22 AM  

Girion47: DubtodaIll: Seems like this would do more damage to your car door than for it to be worth it.

Which is why cyclists should be required to carry insurance.  Must be nice to damage someone's car without financial liability.


People always with the insurance.  I know this is a ridiculous line of thinking but I'd like to see all insurance abolished and return to indentured servitude, duels, and self-reliance.  Just think it would be less paperwork and make people more responsible.
 
2013-02-08 09:30:10 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: I don't understand this shiat.  Who would open their door in the city (or anywhere else) without checking to see if there is a car coming?  You would have to be one narcissistic 'the world revolves around me biatch' to think it is up to some other guy in a car to be checking in case you happen to open your door.


What about the cyclists that ride to the right of cars on the sidewalk and get doored by a passenger getting out?  Do passengers have mirrors?  Also, does a bicyclist always make an easy to spot silouhette at a distance that may be closing at 20 or so mph?  Remember in this world, it is never one way or the other like law folks like to make it.  Besides, this will not change the way seniors kill younger folks.

/I do think it is funny when drivers' lose their doors to other vehicles.  If you can't see a vehicle in the mirror, then you shouldn't be driving.
 
2013-02-08 09:33:27 AM  
Frankly, if you throw open a car door without making sure there is nothing coming or in the vicinity, be it cyclist, pedestrian, mountain lion, trash can, Sherman tank, or jogger, you deserve to have the shiat beaten out of you. End of story.
 
2013-02-08 09:39:33 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: What if it is the passenger door and you pick of an idiot riding on the sidewalk. the cyclist should pay the driver $100


Not sure what the rules are in the various states.  In London, bicyclists can ride the wrong way up one-way streets.  Madness.  What they need to do is impose the same restrictions on bicyclists that they do on every other "motorist".  CBT, licensing, road taxes and insurance.  THEN they have the right to use the roads.  RFID tags for the bikes so they can be ticketed when they run red lights.
 
2013-02-08 09:42:38 AM  

Girion47: DubtodaIll: Seems like this would do more damage to your car door than for it to be worth it.

Which is why cyclists should be required to carry insurance.  Must be nice to damage someone's car without financial liability.


Completely THIS. They are usually the ones that are on the receiving end of the bodily damage, so if they want to compete with vehicles, they should be paying for their gamble.
 
2013-02-08 09:49:17 AM  

Valiente: When I was a cycle courier, it was called "the door prize".

CSB: Saw someone opening a door without a mirror check, right in front of me, and instead of veering out into traffic, I veered into their exiting left leg.

It sounds like celery being snapped inside a towel. The bone, not the screaming.

/CSB.
//I clip the occasional texting jaywalker, too. People think evolution is passive. It's not.


Favorited
 
2013-02-08 09:52:02 AM  

The Loaf: I think this is the largest problem with biking in general. The laws vary too much from state to state and even from town to town. Lets get some consistency in the laws (and there enforcement) and a lot of the problems between drivers and bikers will start to mellow out.


For new roads, sure.  But good luck getting the money to bring up ALL existing roads to that standard.
 
2013-02-08 09:54:09 AM  

pkellmey: Girion47: DubtodaIll: Seems like this would do more damage to your car door than for it to be worth it.

Which is why cyclists should be required to carry insurance.  Must be nice to damage someone's car without financial liability.

Completely THIS. They are usually the ones that are on the receiving end of the bodily damage, so if they want to compete with vehicles, they should be paying for their gamble.


Looking at the way the laws work and how people love to sue.  Wouldn't be it be better to just kill the cyclist and claim it was an accident then be sued by them?
 
2013-02-08 09:55:34 AM  

spawn73: Lenny_da_Hog: MmmmBacon: In Portlandia, you do that to a Cyclist, the rest of their pack will have you strung up from the nearest Starbucks sign in minutes.

My adventures with Portlandia bikers, summed:

"Cars suck!"
"Yeah, cars suck! They should be outlawed!"
"Bikers rule"
"Yeah! Cars suck! Air-polluting energy wasters for lazy bastards!"

"Um, By the way, I'm moving next week. Does anyone have a truck I can borrow?"
"Yeah, and, uh, I need some help getting groceries and a few things from the hardware store. Can somebody give me a ride?"

Oh, this is like the time you saved that antigun lady from being raped in a parking cellar, because you always carry a gun.

.

Or like that time Michael Jackson come over to his house to use the bathroom?
Or like that he saved those old people from that nursing home fire, right ?
Or like the time he ate his weight in Godfather's pizza ?
Or like the time he told us about the fifty Iranian terrorists who took over all the Sizzler steakhouses in the city ?
 
2013-02-08 09:59:28 AM  
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Oh look, it's THIS thread again.
 
2013-02-08 10:02:22 AM  

djones101: They should give out $100 bonuses for every pretentious bicycling hipster snob that gets door'd.  Sorry, but you do NOT own the lane and the entire road around it.


In quite a few states if the cyclist may take the entire lane if it is needed for his/her safety.

Very rare have I ever seen a cyclist take an entire lane for no reason unless there are no cars nearby.

but hey if you are incapable of sharing the lane you should consider turning in your DL.
 
2013-02-08 10:08:08 AM  
we've got plenty of bike lanes in Austin so the cyclists can play make believe tour de france. Great, grand, good for you. You're  leading a healthy active lifestyle while I drink beer. What I hate is when the bike lane ends and they have to join a roadway with no bike lane and they hold up traffic. Also too, it seems that even though they are a vehicle on the road, they seem to get away with more traffic violations than a driver of a car/truck----i.e. riding on the sidewalk, crossing an intersection at a red light, no reflectors or lights to make them visible. Yesterday, I had a "gang" of cyclists in all the same uniforms pass me illegally on both sides while I was waiting at a red light and proceed to go through it because "no cars were coming". I would love to try and get out of that ticket in a car/truck with that excuse.
 
2013-02-08 10:12:29 AM  

Mach10: Assholes can be counted on to be assholes.
This applies no matter what you ride/drive.

From the fat angry asshole in the SUV who is passed off that they are stuck in traffic, to the pretentious asshole mainlining between rows of stopped cars to blow a stop sign.

Dipshiat drivers need to learn that they do NOT have a right to be on the road, and asshat cyclists need to learn that the rules apply to them too.

That said, I tend to side with the cyclist. I don't usually see a cyclist do on the road what hasn't been done with a car/truck. It's hardly fair to vilify a biker for blowing a stop sign when not a single car in a 15-long line of them don't come to a complete stop either.


Two favorites in one thread! A new record! Exclamation marks!!
 
2013-02-08 10:21:48 AM  

fireclown: [watermarked.cutcaster.com image 450x296]
Oh look, it's THIS thread again.


Image thief!
 
2013-02-08 10:22:53 AM  

LDM90: They should somehow work tipping into these bicyclist threads. The comments would be in the 1000s!


Dear Consumerist,

I recently had my fixed-gear Specialized serviced at a local zero-landfill bicycle shop.  When Sage, the resident cogsmith, had finished his 110-point check of my cycle, was it impolite of me to not tip him?

Graciously,

Sven Morningstar,  Mother Earth's Humble Custodian
 
2013-02-08 10:33:17 AM  

jaybeezey: Vodka Zombie: I've always heard it referred to as assault or assault with a deadly weapon.

Really? I always heard that you should be careful when riding your bicycle and follow the rules of the road.


What does that have to do with motorists opening doors without checking if it's safe to do?
 
2013-02-08 10:37:09 AM  
It's funny, I was taught at 5 that you stay away from parked cars. If you hit them, it's your fault.
 
2013-02-08 10:37:15 AM  

Langdon Alger: we've got plenty of bike lanes in Austin so the cyclists can play make believe tour de france. Great, grand, good for you. You're  leading a healthy active lifestyle while I drink beer. What I hate is when the bike lane ends and they have to join a roadway with no bike lane and they hold up traffic. Also too, it seems that even though they are a vehicle on the road, they seem to get away with more traffic violations than a driver of a car/truck----i.e. riding on the sidewalk, crossing an intersection at a red light, no reflectors or lights to make them visible. Yesterday, I had a "gang" of cyclists in all the same uniforms pass me illegally on both sides while I was waiting at a red light and proceed to go through it because "no cars were coming". I would love to try and get out of that ticket in a car/truck with that excuse.


The reason bikes are allowed to coast through a red light or stop sign when no cars are coming is because they're MORE of a hazard if they stop. Once completely stopped, a bicycle takes considerable time and effort to accelerate to a safe speed again. That holds up traffic, slows everyone at the intersection, puts the cyclist and other drivers in danger, and does nobody any good.

In many states it is legal for a bike to coast through a red light or stop sign if they show reasonable caution and yield to traffic at the intersection for exactly these reasons.

If you have some sort of "if they can do it, why can't I?" envy going on, then just consider how much it pisses you off to be stuck behind a stopped cyclist trying to get up to speed again. I'm sure you're riding their ass the whole way.

How hard is it to have some courtesy on the road, anyway? You're not getting there much faster if you blow past the slow cars and cyclists. You might gain an extra minute at your destination, but at the cost of high stress and increased personal risk.

Personally, when I did ride, I stayed on the sidewalks and in bike lanes whenever possible (and yes, the sidewalk is legal in my state). I don't want to be out there with the impatient assholes any more than they want me to be holding them up by only going 25-30 mph most of the time.

This doesn't mean I approve of cyclists and their obnoxious behavior. It doesn't help bike commuters like me when cyclists give everything on two wheels a bad name. Any time I see some jackass riding the middle of the road when there's a bike lane, I'm pissed. When a lane is provided to you, USE IT. Don't be an asshole and tie up traffic because you feel you have the right to the road. Maybe you do, legally-speaking, but you're still being a dick about it if you don't let traffic pass or just use the bike lane. The cars can't use the bike lane (or shouldn't try, anyway), so show some courtesy and get the fark over so the cars can be on their way.

Basically, it's like this: If the guy on the bike is wearing a little Spandex/Lycra outfit with bare legs and ridiculously expensive shoes/pedals, it's a cyclist and chances are he's going to be an asshole. If the guy on the bike is wearing jeans and a t-shirt, he's probably just a guy on a bike-- a bike commuter-- and he's not out to ruin your day; He just wants to get somewhere and he doesn't have or want to use a car.

One more thing: Any moron who has earbuds or headphones on while riding a bike deserves to be road pizza from the inevitable accident. Aside from the possibility of the corded variety slipping loose and ending up tangled in your wheels or chain, there's the fact that you can't hear your environment and aren't able to react properly.  When you're on a bike you need ALL your senses. Don't be a dumb-ass, and don't be a prick.

"Share the road" applies to the cyclists, too. They act like it's something that only applies to cars, but damned if a lot of cyclists don't start shiat just because they can.
 
2013-02-08 10:37:37 AM  
While I'm no fan of how many cyclists ride, the fine for this should be higher.  Dickish behavior is dickish.
 
2013-02-08 10:40:57 AM  
Some of the absolutely insane cyclists that I've talked to act like dooring is the worst crime in the world. You know what? It sucks. People need to look at what's coming before opening their door. I'm in agreement.

However, some of those very same people refuse to wear helmets because, "if a car hits you going 60 mph the helmet is going to do just enough to save you and make you like, a vegetable." Really? Weren't you concerned with running into the door of a stationary car a minute ago? When you fall from that and hit your head on the pavement, a helmet might come in handy.

Someone who writes stuff online that I like to read hit an unmarked pothole, flipped over his bike, and ended up with a broken collarbone yesterday. He was wearing a helmet which helped out a whole lot in that situation.
 
2013-02-08 10:42:35 AM  

EatenTheSun: A violation would carry a $100 civil penalty.

Worth it.


At that price, you can't afford to  not do it.
 
2013-02-08 10:46:31 AM  
What kind of moron doesn't check before opening their door anyway?  Regardless of whether you want to be a prick and hit a cyclist there are cars on the road too. Such inattention can cost an arm and a door.
 
2013-02-08 10:52:32 AM  

louiedog: However, some of those very same people refuse to wear helmets because, "if a car hits you going 60 mph the helmet is going to do just enough to save you and make you like, a vegetable." Really? Weren't you concerned with running into the door of a stationary car a minute ago? When you fall from that and hit your head on the pavement, a helmet might come in handy.


I've been a cyclist longer than most of this thread has been alive, and I just about NEVER hear that line of reasoning, with the sole exception of ABATE members.  I just don't hear it from bicyclists.
 
2013-02-08 10:59:48 AM  
Some of you people are ridiculous with a inflated sense of self worth.

1. How is it possible to "hate" someone on a bicycle? How is it any type of inconvenience to share the road?
2. How is it the cyclists fault if a driver swings open thier door without looking first? Classic example of putting property above human well-being.
3. On that note, you aren't happy if they hug the bike lane divider in order to stay out of the door zone, then you're angry if they get doored.
4. Why would you care if a cyclist creeps through an intersection against the red light? Is it because you can't? That's like being white and getting mad because black people are "allowed" to drop the N-Bomb and you aren't. Isn't the word still offensive? Consider that it's very much like riding a motorcycle in that it's better to stay ahead of traffic (as much as possible) in order to be seen.
5. How the hell does a cyclist cause traffic congestion? Isn't the presence of too many cars in one place the reason for said traffic congestion?
6. Why would you be upset if a cyclist passes you in traffic? Is this like the opening scene of Office Space?
7. The pedestian has the right of way above the cyclist. The pedestrian owns the crosswalk. The cyclist has the right of way above the automobile. The cyclist is not allowed to travel on the sidewalk. That's why it's called a sidewalk and not a sideride. Therefore, the cyclist does own the lane. Embrace it. Love it. It's the law.

The simple fact is that the cyclists are more frightened than you are. It's literally life and death. A lot of drivers think that the road is their personal Grand-Prix race. I get harrassed at least twice a week by motorists. Mostly by people that want to turn right on a red light and I'm in the bike lane. They want me to get out of their way. If I were to run the light, if possible, they would be mad because I did so. We just can't win.

A month ago a lady decided that she wanted to turn right into a parking lot. Chick-Bow-Wow, I want to be over there now. No blinkers. From a dead stop in traffic to veering right. I slammed against her SUV so hard that I dented the door. At first she wanted to yell at me until she realized her fault. She's lucking I wasn't hurt worse. Not because I'm vindictive, but because the emotional trama and legal liabilities would have crushed her.

Last week a guy got doored because the passenger opened up their door. The car abruptly stopped and the door swung open and he cut is jaw on the door. It took a couple minutes to explain to the driver/passenger the many ways both were at fault. They were driving in a dedicated bus/bike lane on Market St. in SF.

The truth is that you're just hateful, angry, impatient people. Your rage is the problem, not someone traveling at 20mph. You don't want to realize that some people can't afford cars or want one in the first place. It's easier and faster to ride my bike to the grocery store instead of owning a car or using an expensive cab. Some of you actually think that riding a bike makes the rider a second class citizen. A "hipster", "hippie" or some other pejorative.

Are cyclists jerks? Sometimes. Are motorists jerks? Yes, more often than not.
 
2013-02-08 11:01:20 AM  

fireclown: louiedog: However, some of those very same people refuse to wear helmets because, "if a car hits you going 60 mph the helmet is going to do just enough to save you and make you like, a vegetable." Really? Weren't you concerned with running into the door of a stationary car a minute ago? When you fall from that and hit your head on the pavement, a helmet might come in handy.

I've been a cyclist longer than most of this thread has been alive, and I just about NEVER hear that line of reasoning, with the sole exception of ABATE members.  I just don't hear it from bicyclists.


The people who I know and consider friends who use bikes to commute never say it. It's only the fringe people they meet through cyclist events. And honestly, I don't think I've heard it since leaving San Francisco. The cyclists who I've met outside of SF tend not to be so extreme.
 
2013-02-08 11:08:52 AM  
If they make it illegal does that up the point value?
 
2013-02-08 11:09:36 AM  
If you want to use the lane that is fine.  But you should also be expected to go the speed limit just like any motorists.   Can't pedal that fast?  Move to the shoulder and let traffic pass.
 
2013-02-08 11:11:15 AM  

MajorityWhip: 1. How is it possible to "hate" someone on a bicycle? How is it any type of inconvenience to share the road?


When traffic in a single lane road has to go 2 MPH because the guy riding a bicycle can't pedal any faster.  Yes that is an inconvenience and don't you dare to pretend that it isn't.
 
2013-02-08 11:14:47 AM  

louiedog: The people who I know and consider friends who use bikes to commute never say it. It's only the fringe people they meet through cyclist events. And honestly, I don't think I've heard it since leaving San Francisco. The cyclists who I've met outside of SF tend not to be so extreme.


That's sounding a little Friend-Of-A-Friend--y.

/been to a lot of cycling events
//known a lot of kinds of riders.
///will let this drop now.
 
2013-02-08 11:16:59 AM  
Don't ride bikes, but if I did, and someone deliberately "door checked" me, I would seriously consider:

Slowing down (for my personal safety and control)

Then intentionally crash into the door so as to do as much damage to the car as possible. (unless the car was a beater)

Intentional "door checking" seems rather rare to me anyway though with my admittedly limited perspective.

/not ITG, just seems that most "door check" attempts would be rather limited in "usefullness"/punking value compared to the potential for it to backfire.
 
2013-02-08 11:19:42 AM  

fireclown: louiedog: However, some of those very same people refuse to wear helmets because, "if a car hits you going 60 mph the helmet is going to do just enough to save you and make you like, a vegetable." Really? Weren't you concerned with running into the door of a stationary car a minute ago? When you fall from that and hit your head on the pavement, a helmet might come in handy.

I've been a cyclist longer than most of this thread has been alive, and I just about NEVER hear that line of reasoning, with the sole exception of ABATE members.  I just don't hear it from bicyclists.


I actually hear it fairly often, especially from younger bicyclists. It could be because of how strong the pressure is for wearing helmets in my area and the young just being rebels without a clue.
 
2013-02-08 11:26:57 AM  
Which is stupid as for insurance purposes you are at-fault in Virginia if you open your door into traffic and it'shiat by a car.
 
2013-02-08 11:37:15 AM  

jaybeezey: Vodka Zombie: I've always heard it referred to as assault or assault with a deadly weapon.

Really? I always heard that you should be careful when riding your bicycle and follow the rules of the road.


If i flung my car door open into traffic without looking and a close passing car takes it off, is it my fault for being an idiot, or should they have avoided it?
 
2013-02-08 11:56:43 AM  
I don't know what it means but I've heard it's a good idea to roll the window down first and also just as confusing I heard something about bonus score for field goals?
 
2013-02-08 11:58:48 AM  

MajorityWhip: 7. The pedestian has the right of way above the cyclist. The pedestrian owns the crosswalk. The cyclist has the right of way above the automobile. The cyclist is not allowed to travel on the sidewalk. That's why it's called a sidewalk and not a sideride. Therefore, the cyclist does own the lane. Embrace it. Love it. It's the law.


Actually, that varies by state.

In Michigan it's perfectly legal (and in many cases preferred) for a cyclist to ride the sidewalk, providing that he remembers that pedestrians have right-of-way and yields to them whenever necessary.
 
2013-02-08 12:12:52 PM  

ZeroCorpse: MajorityWhip: 7. The pedestian has the right of way above the cyclist. The pedestrian owns the crosswalk. The cyclist has the right of way above the automobile. The cyclist is not allowed to travel on the sidewalk. That's why it's called a sidewalk and not a sideride. Therefore, the cyclist does own the lane. Embrace it. Love it. It's the law.

Actually, that varies by state.

In Michigan it's perfectly legal (and in many cases preferred) for a cyclist to ride the sidewalk, providing that he remembers that pedestrians have right-of-way and yields to them whenever necessary.


Completely legal in Illinois as well. Interestingly enough, you are also required to make an audible noise when approaching pedestrians from behind,
 
2013-02-08 12:17:51 PM  

darthaegis: Valiente:  I consider my fellow humans incapable of logic or impulse control.

Says the person who's first impulse is to try and break someone's leg when they could have avoided them or 'clips' people for not paying attention to them.

~rolls eyes~




What's the big deal? It's only a $100 fine. That's like, half of a speeding ticket around here.
 
2013-02-08 12:25:12 PM  
From TFA Comments:
Submitted byWm D Tabor DDS  Thu, 02/07/2013 at 7:24 am
No one is 'flinging' anything into your path, they are simply getting out of their car.

Bicycles, even properly ridden, are hard to see, especially because of the way a person's mind works. When they look in that left side mirror to see if its clear, they are looking for cars and trucks. They are not accustomed to being passed on the left by a bicycle and the mind registers what it is looking for. It often doesn't register a bicycle if it is where it is not expected any more than you see the details of the background when you are ridding. You see the tree you might hit, you don't see the squirrel sitting on one of the branches.

They are not being negligent, they are being human.

Be aware of that when you ride and you won't get hurt.


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OH SO MUCH THIS!!!!
 
2013-02-08 12:36:33 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Basically, it's like this: If the guy on the bike is wearing a little Spandex/Lycra outfit with bare legs and ridiculously expensive shoes/pedals, it's a cyclist and chances are he's going to be an asshole. If the guy on the bike is wearing jeans and a t-shirt, he's probably just a guy on a bike-- a bike commuter-- and he's not out to ruin your day; He just wants to get somewhere and he doesn't have or want to use a car.


...and THIS too.

/I suspect it's the spandex uniform that makes them think they are a super hero or something.
 
2013-02-08 01:03:05 PM  
ZeroCorpse:  Basically, it's like this: If the guy on the bike is wearing a little Spandex/Lycra outfit with bare legs and ridiculously expensive shoes/pedals, it's a cyclist and chances are he's going to be an asshole. If the guy on the bike is wearing jeans and a t-shirt, he's probably just a guy on a bike-- a bike commuter-- and he's not out to ruin your day; He just wants to get somewhere and he doesn't have or want to use a car.

Yup. This, a thousand times.
 
2013-02-08 01:17:49 PM  
CSB Time:

I'm a daily bike commuter.  I was riding on my normal route down a fairly quiet neighborhood street.  I saw an oncoming car and I also heard a car coming up behind me at the same time.  I could see that all 3 of us were going to converge in the same spot on the road.  Trying to be nice, I skirted the right side as far as I could so I wasn't in the way.  Usually I am pretty good about checking side mirrors for people getting out of their cars, but at this moment I was looking at the oncoming car.

Right as all 3 of us started to converge a guy did the kick open door thing right as I was approaching his back quarter panel.  I didn't see the door open as much as I heard it.  Because of the timing, I didn't hit the open door, I hit the door frame, the impact being on my right hand and then also my right shin that hit the edge of the open door.  It immediately threw my bike on the ground and I did a sort of half-corkscrew out of my bike seat (and my clipless pedals) into the air and landed on my back.  The impact on the ground made my head whip backwards into the pavement.  I was wearing a helmet and I will never forget the sound it made on the road; it was just the loudest plastic sounding THWACK.  The first thought in my head was "wow that helmet worked great".  I slowly stood up and surveyed the damage.  Meanwhile the people in the two cars had gotten out and also the guy that had opened the door and they were all sort of panicking and making sure I was OK.  My leg had a pretty deep bruise but was not broken, my finger required quite a few stitches and it was kind of misaligned for awhile, but ultimately it healed all of the way.

The lesson learned is fark being polite to cars sometimes.  Sometimes you just have to ride in the middle of the damn road and take your space.  I was trying to be too polite.  Of course now when this same situation arises, I stand my ground in the middle of the road, but of course I have a different set of problems in that the guy behind me sometimes honks, or waits and then speeds around me like I'm the worst person in the world.  I still try to stay out of the way, but if it requires me to put myself in danger, I'm going to get in the middle of the road where everyone can see me.

Ultimately the problem is with the way our roads are designed.  Most cities are not laid out to handle bikers and cars in a sensible way.  Combine that with the fact that people in general don't really know how to react when they see a bike, and you get a lot of confusion.
 
2013-02-08 01:25:06 PM  
Anyone who rides a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac
 
2013-02-08 01:35:40 PM  
Website not loading for me. I assuem that this is exactly what it sounds like? People hitting bicyclists with doors? On purpose? Asshole move. On accident? I think both sides need to work to be more aware of the other. If you are riding up and see someone pull into a spot or move like they are reaching for the door, use your brain...
 
2013-02-08 01:35:43 PM  

letrole: Anyone who rides a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac


Noone has to feign disgust over a Big Mac, it's genuine.
 
2013-02-08 01:38:26 PM  

Norad: Yay. Another 'dick cyclist/motorist' thread.


Never ridden a dick cycle. is it hard?
 
2013-02-08 01:47:10 PM  

Mikey1969: Norad: Yay. Another 'dick cyclist/motorist' thread.

Never ridden a dick cycle. is it hard?


I imagine it is in spurts.
 
2013-02-08 02:00:59 PM  

Mikey1969: Norad: Yay. Another 'dick cyclist/motorist' thread.

Never ridden a dick cycle. is it hard?


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Now, IT is easily operated using four flexigrip handles. Two of them are on each side. Left side for throttle, right side for steering. The third flexigrip is gently inserted into the anus, to keep the driver in place. It extends into his anus and ...there we go. Now, the final flexigrip is directly in front of the driver so that its small switches can be operatered with the mouth, as such.
 
2013-02-08 02:03:54 PM  
That's why I always go bike riding on the bomb ranges. There tends to be less traffic.
spacebison.com
 
2013-02-08 02:07:00 PM  

robbiex0r: jaybeezey: Vodka Zombie: I've always heard it referred to as assault or assault with a deadly weapon.

Really? I always heard that you should be careful when riding your bicycle and follow the rules of the road.

What does that have to do with motorists opening doors without checking if it's safe to do?


Nothing, the Cool Kids™ just like to bag on cyclists, no matter what the topic. In reality, this(like pretty much everything else in life) is a two-way street. Cyclists need to pull their heads out of their asses and be aware(Many don't seem to notice where they are), and people in cars need to do the same damn thing.
 
2013-02-08 02:25:37 PM  

Mikey1969: Nothing, the Cool Kids™ just like to bag on cyclists, no matter what the topic. In reality, this(like pretty much everything else in life) is a two-way street. Cyclists need to pull their heads out of their asses and be aware(Many don't seem to notice where they are), and people in cars need to do the same damn thing.


Well said sir.  Now can we move on to the real issue:  SKiiers vs Snowboarders?
 
2013-02-08 02:38:56 PM  

fireclown: Mikey1969: Nothing, the Cool Kids™ just like to bag on cyclists, no matter what the topic. In reality, this(like pretty much everything else in life) is a two-way street. Cyclists need to pull their heads out of their asses and be aware(Many don't seem to notice where they are), and people in cars need to do the same damn thing.

Well said sir.  Now can we move on to the real issue:  SKiiers vs Snowboarders?


Same thing, both groups need to meet in the middle and remember the rule that the uphill rider is responsible. Skiers and snowboarders both seem to forget this rule and run you over without hesitation.
 
2013-02-08 02:42:49 PM  
ZeroCorpse:
Actually, that varies by state.

In Michigan it's perfectly legal (and in many cases preferred) for a cyclist to ride the sidewalk, providing that he remembers that pedestrians have right-of-way and yields to them whenever necessary.


And it's more dangerous for the cyclist to be on the sidewalk. Why? Because cars roll through stop signs and cross walks all the time. Motorists are able to see a pedestrian better than a cyclist going faster. If the bike is further out into the lane, it gives the driver the time needed to stop.

Warlordtrooper:
When traffic in a single lane road has to go 2 MPH because the guy riding a bicycle can't pedal any faster.  Yes that is an inconvenience and don't you dare to pretend that it isn't.

Are you exagerating or did you mean 20mph? What's the speed limit anyway, 35?  You're correct, it is an inconvenience. Learn to live with it. Your precious life isn't going to collapse because you lost a 30 seconds while trying to pass. You're just impatient. You're one of those people that intimidate by honking your horn. If I could hand you this big green nugget on my desk, I would. Relax.

What the Fark is up with the spandex prejudice? Why are you profiling? Are we dealing with some hidden homosexual desires here? What if the person is training for a decathalon? Why would you treat the person differently than someone biking to work?

//some of you are farking weird
 
2013-02-08 02:46:14 PM  

Mikey1969: fireclown: Mikey1969: Nothing, the Cool Kids™ just like to bag on cyclists, no matter what the topic. In reality, this(like pretty much everything else in life) is a two-way street. Cyclists need to pull their heads out of their asses and be aware(Many don't seem to notice where they are), and people in cars need to do the same damn thing.

Well said sir.  Now can we move on to the real issue:  SKiiers vs Snowboarders?

Same thing, both groups need to meet in the middle and remember the rule that the uphill rider is responsible. Skiers and snowboarders both seem to forget this rule and run you over without hesitation.


Muslims and Jews?
 
2013-02-08 02:48:58 PM  
The funniest thing is we have a bunch of cyclists claiming that bikes should follow the same rule of the road as cars. Then in the same breath they want the car to be guilty of opening their door. If I am driving my car, and I shear the door off a parked vehicle, the parked car is not at fault.

You want to be on a road and have the same laws as cars, go for it. You do not get to pick and choose.
 
2013-02-08 02:58:37 PM  

fireclown: Mikey1969: fireclown: Mikey1969: Nothing, the Cool Kids™ just like to bag on cyclists, no matter what the topic. In reality, this(like pretty much everything else in life) is a two-way street. Cyclists need to pull their heads out of their asses and be aware(Many don't seem to notice where they are), and people in cars need to do the same damn thing.

Well said sir.  Now can we move on to the real issue:  SKiiers vs Snowboarders?

Same thing, both groups need to meet in the middle and remember the rule that the uphill rider is responsible. Skiers and snowboarders both seem to forget this rule and run you over without hesitation.

Muslims and Jews?


Stay in your own corner, believe what you want, but quit trying to kill each other or take what's theirs because your brand of religion doesn't equal their brand of religion. If your Book calls for the killing of 'them', maybe it's time to get a new book. If you don't like something about them, it doesn't justify starting a war... Another two-way street.

How am I doing so far? The religion one is a toughie...
 
2013-02-08 03:04:43 PM  

pkellmey: ZeroCorpse: MajorityWhip: 7. The pedestian has the right of way above the cyclist. The pedestrian owns the crosswalk. The cyclist has the right of way above the automobile. The cyclist is not allowed to travel on the sidewalk. That's why it's called a sidewalk and not a sideride. Therefore, the cyclist does own the lane. Embrace it. Love it. It's the law.

Actually, that varies by state.

In Michigan it's perfectly legal (and in many cases preferred) for a cyclist to ride the sidewalk, providing that he remembers that pedestrians have right-of-way and yields to them whenever necessary.

Completely legal in Illinois as well. Interestingly enough, you are also required to make an audible noise when approaching pedestrians from behind,



Cycling laws, like a number of other traffic ordinances, are minucipal ordinances rather than state laws.
In Louisville, KY, for instance, it is illegal for anyone over the age of 11 to ride their bike on the sidewalk, and if you are in the designated "downtown" area no-one of any age is permitted to ride on the sidewalk.
 
2013-02-08 03:05:04 PM  

thiefofdreams:  If I am driving my car, and I shear the door off a parked vehicle, the parked car is not at fault.


Wrong. I mean yeah if you completely sideswipe a parked car with a closed door, sure, but thats not what were talking about. If you open your car door without looking on a tight street and another car takes it off, its your fault, your car door was not a pedestrian in a crosswalk, your car door impeded the flow of traffic. The onus is on you to check for oncoming cars before opening your door, not for a driver to watch every single parked car theyre passing at 35mph.
 
2013-02-08 03:08:18 PM  

give me doughnuts: pkellmey: ZeroCorpse: MajorityWhip: 7. The pedestian has the right of way above the cyclist. The pedestrian owns the crosswalk. The cyclist has the right of way above the automobile. The cyclist is not allowed to travel on the sidewalk. That's why it's called a sidewalk and not a sideride. Therefore, the cyclist does own the lane. Embrace it. Love it. It's the law.

Actually, that varies by state.

In Michigan it's perfectly legal (and in many cases preferred) for a cyclist to ride the sidewalk, providing that he remembers that pedestrians have right-of-way and yields to them whenever necessary.

Completely legal in Illinois as well. Interestingly enough, you are also required to make an audible noise when approaching pedestrians from behind,


Cycling laws, like a number of other traffic ordinances, are minucipal ordinances rather than state laws.
In Louisville, KY, for instance, it is illegal for anyone over the age of 11 to ride their bike on the sidewalk, and if you are in the designated "downtown" area no-one of any age is permitted to ride on the sidewalk.


Never knew that.   Our bikers here are thankfully rare.  Because they usually end up dead.
 
2013-02-08 03:10:02 PM  

fireclown: Mikey1969: Nothing, the Cool Kids™ just like to bag on cyclists, no matter what the topic. In reality, this(like pretty much everything else in life) is a two-way street. Cyclists need to pull their heads out of their asses and be aware(Many don't seem to notice where they are), and people in cars need to do the same damn thing.

Well said sir.  Now can we move on to the real issue:  SKiiers vs Snowboarders?



Snowboarders are the scum of the Earth. You should earn a bounty for each one you kill.
 
2013-02-08 03:19:26 PM  

Cyno01: thiefofdreams:  If I am driving my car, and I shear the door off a parked vehicle, the parked car is not at fault.

Wrong. I mean yeah if you completely sideswipe a parked car with a closed door, sure, but thats not what were talking about. If you open your car door without looking on a tight street and another car takes it off, its your fault, your car door was not a pedestrian in a crosswalk, your car door impeded the flow of traffic. The onus is on you to check for oncoming cars before opening your door, not for a driver to watch every single parked car theyre passing at 35mph.


You know how I know you have never had someone open a door in front of your car. Because my insurance company would love to know how you would have won the court case that ended with them paying because some jackwad opened his truck door as I was passing him in my car.

I am sure their lawyers are waiting for your phone call right now.
 
2013-02-08 03:49:42 PM  
If someone doored me intentionally, you can guarantee, if I was still capable of getting up and walking, that I'd apply my U-Lock to their face.
 
2013-02-08 04:21:51 PM  

louiedog: Some of the absolutely insane cyclists that I've talked to act like dooring is the worst crime in the world. You know what? It sucks. People need to look at what's coming before opening their door. I'm in agreement.

However, some of those very same people refuse to wear helmets because, "if a car hits you going 60 mph the helmet is going to do just enough to save you and make you like, a vegetable." Really? Weren't you concerned with running into the door of a stationary car a minute ago? When you fall from that and hit your head on the pavement, a helmet might come in handy.

Someone who writes stuff online that I like to read hit an unmarked pothole, flipped over his bike, and ended up with a broken collarbone yesterday. He was wearing a helmet which helped out a whole lot in that situation.


I always caught myself on my forearms... I would have road rash up and down my arms and legs(Still have a few scars just from road rash), but never once broke anything. I agree, the unmarked pothole thing sucks, I did it once, and the only upside was that I got great tips the next two weeks, I guess people felt sorry for me... :)
 
2013-02-08 04:35:28 PM  
Speaking as someone who had emergency brain surgery without anesthetic of any type because I was hit by a car, I must say that most cyclists don't pay adequate attention to the world around them. If you're on a bike, and you haven't done everything in your power to ensure that there won't be an accident, it's at least 50% your fault.
 
2013-02-08 05:12:35 PM  

thiefofdreams: Cyno01: thiefofdreams:  If I am driving my car, and I shear the door off a parked vehicle, the parked car is not at fault.

Wrong. I mean yeah if you completely sideswipe a parked car with a closed door, sure, but thats not what were talking about. If you open your car door without looking on a tight street and another car takes it off, its your fault, your car door was not a pedestrian in a crosswalk, your car door impeded the flow of traffic. The onus is on you to check for oncoming cars before opening your door, not for a driver to watch every single parked car theyre passing at 35mph.

You know how I know you have never had someone open a door in front of your car. Because my insurance company would love to know how you would have won the court case that ended with them paying because some jackwad opened his truck door as I was passing him in my car.

I am sure their lawyers are waiting for your phone call right now.


AK may just have some weird traffic laws, from a quick google for car door fault it seems that in most states the parked car is almost always at fault in that scenario, with lots of specific statutes in some cases. You seem pretty pissed about it, so im guessing you agree that it was the parked guys fault even if not legally in your state?
 
2013-02-08 06:00:24 PM  
It can only be defined as opening your door to block a motorist traveling next to you. Intentional assault is already illegal. In Virginia, most farked up place in the USA, the law would condemn it worse than rape. Read the Virginia Code if you don't believe me! You just raped a legal motorist, do you feel good about that?
 
2013-02-08 06:20:01 PM  

Valiente: When I was a cycle courier, it was called "the door prize".

CSB: Saw someone opening a door without a mirror check, right in front of me, and instead of veering out into traffic, I veered into their exiting left leg.

It sounds like celery being snapped inside a towel. The bone, not the screaming.

/CSB.
//I clip the occasional texting jaywalker, too. People think evolution is passive. It's not.


oo look
an edgy cyclist

glad to meet you, i'm interweb tough guy

hope to see you in person someday so we can 'properly' meet each other
 
2013-02-08 10:36:53 PM  
In Virginia drivers are already expected to exit from the passenger side of the car, I don't see why we need any additional information. Open your car door and get hit by "Whatever" and it's your fault. Why does this need more elaboration?
 
2013-02-08 10:46:04 PM  

Valiente: When I was a cycle courier, it was called "the door prize".

CSB: Saw someone opening a door without a mirror check, right in front of me, and instead of veering out into traffic, I veered into their exiting left leg.

It sounds like celery being snapped inside a towel. The bone, not the screaming.

/CSB.
//I clip the occasional texting jaywalker, too. People think evolution is passive. It's not.


When walking down the sidewalk, I've been known to randomly swerve to the right and left without warning. Sometimes that results in a bicyclist (illegally riding on the sidewalk and speeding up behind me without warning) swerving into oncoming traffic in the street to avoid hitting me. Sometimes, however, he just hits me with the bike. Since I weigh 316 pounds this results in the rider leaving the bike seat and sailing into oncoming traffic.

You're right. Evolution is not passive.
 
2013-02-09 03:35:46 AM  
One thing that pedestrians and drivers can agree on:  Cyclists are self righteous douchebags who demand that the roads and sidewalks belong to them and the rules of neither apply to them.

"Dooring" sounds better as a new sport, rather than a problem to be solved.
 
2013-02-09 04:33:18 AM  

UseLessHuman: In Virginia drivers are already expected to exit from the passenger side of the car, I don't see why we need any additional information. Open your car door and get hit by "Whatever" and it's your fault. Why does this need more elaboration?


FTFY. Thank you for your kindness and logic. Thank you.
 
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