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(Yahoo)   Microsoft will now do for Games by doing what it did for Internet Browsers and Computers   (ca.news.yahoo.com) divider line 46
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2013-02-08 12:02:46 AM
Who can we blame for this?
 
2013-02-08 06:58:19 AM

real_headhoncho: Who can we blame for this?


No one, since it is most likely not going to happen.

I would not be surprised if this was an intentional leak by any one of the three big manufacturers to "test the waters" so to speak and see what would happen.

Eventually.. Yes, it probably will happen, but not on the 720 / Durango.. not at launch at least.

Rumors. Not just Fleetwood Mac's best album.
 
2013-02-08 07:24:05 AM

real_headhoncho: Who can we blame for this?


kara.allthingsd.com
 
2013-02-08 07:31:08 AM
 
2013-02-08 07:31:35 AM

Shadow Blasko: I would not be surprised if this was an intentional leak by any one of the three big manufacturers to "test the waters" so to speak and see what would happen.


You're crazy if you think Nintendo would pull this move.

And I'll be okay with an always on console....IF THE GAMES COSTED LIKE 5 DOLLARS AT LAUNCH DATE.

I'm not gonna pay 60 bucks and eat that investment just because some idiotic executive can't suck cock better.
 
2013-02-08 07:44:59 AM
Oh look, it's this thread again.
 
2013-02-08 07:46:06 AM
So... it's Steam?

/but but but the sales.  (if you think it's a deal to have to keep track of a specific store for sales on a game which may or may not go on sale, you might be the perfect consumer)
 
2013-02-08 07:51:05 AM

kim jong-un: So... it's Steam?

/but but but the sales.  (if you think it's a deal to have to keep track of a specific store for sales on a game which may or may not go on sale, you might be the perfect consumer)


No, the perfect consumer will buy a game on release day regardless of price.
 
2013-02-08 07:53:50 AM
Comcast and Verizon will put a stop to this ASAP. Image during the holiday season when a bunch of people downloading 100+ gigs worth of games. I think the next generation of games will be 50+ gigs minimum.

CSB?
I got a letter from Comast after I downloaded RAGE (22GB) twice off Steam telling me I needed to upgrade to a business line beacuse, I was using too much bandwith.
 
2013-02-08 08:00:27 AM
Repeating thread is a repeat.

Also, this won't happen.  MS will say they will do this, and then they will back off and play nice again prior to launch.  I know they have been hit hard by piracy, but they really aren't this stupid.  If MS does this, everybody will buy a PS4.  If Sony backs them up, everybody will use Steam & PC gaming.  It's a lose-lose.
 
2013-02-08 08:12:11 AM
I took my son to gamestop because he wanted to get Metal of Honor Warfighter.  He found a used copy that was 10 bucks less than new.  The clerk at the checkout pointed out that he would have to spend $10 to buy a new activation code for the game since it was used, so he just bought a new one.

If the console manufacturers do allow used games in next gen console, I expect more game studios will start this practice of making people pay a fee to re-activate a used game on a different console.

//Steam FTW
 
2013-02-08 08:13:08 AM
I need to chime in as a guy that lives in an area (the flat lands in the middle of Michigan) that barely gets high speed internet. We can only get satellite or 1.5 DSL where I live, no cable. If I have to get all my games online, OR have an internet connection to just play my games, I'll flip.

I don't have some high powered pipeline, hell if I am playing NFS:MW on PSN and my kid fires up his x-box I lag out. Making me do everything online is a sure fire way to get me to go to the competition
 
2013-02-08 08:13:29 AM
repeats are only allowed if it's MS bashing.

/or whatever company it's cool to hate these days
 
2013-02-08 08:18:25 AM

blue_2501: Repeating thread is a repeat.

Also, this won't happen.  MS will say they will do this, and then they will back off and play nice again prior to launch.  I know they have been hit hard by piracy, but they really aren't this stupid.  If MS does this, everybody will buy a PS4.  If Sony backs them up, everybody will use Steam & PC gaming.  It's a lose-lose.


Microsoft knows how many 360's they sold and how many 360 users got online. Wake up. Always-on is fine for the majority. Going to Steam isn't a credible threat - Steam requires online connectivity too.
 
2013-02-08 08:18:29 AM

real_headhoncho: Who can we blame for this?


If it does happen, I'd say consumers.  DRM measures have been ever increasing in their inconvenience to the customer, and in their draconian nature, yet people still shell out the dough for products those measures supposedly protect.  As long as people keep buying, they're going to keep at this game.

Also, the 'legitimate pirate' who downloads games illegally to "demo test" the game before purchase, or to "stick it" to companies that supposedly screw over their customers probably don't help either, as it adds justification to these companies for these restrictions.

I doubt it'll happen anyway.  I gave this some thought last night and I'm willing to bet there are enough players out there who don't want the constant internet connection to their console to give companies like Microsoft pause before attempting to implement something like this.
 
2013-02-08 08:18:30 AM
If MS does this, then I'd say there's a 100 percent chance of Sony also doing it.

There's NO WAY Microsoft would be dumb enough to make a console that pisses people off this much, and be the ONLY one...right?

....RIGHT???
 
2013-02-08 08:19:30 AM

kim jong-un: So... it's Steam?

/but but but the sales.  (if you think it's a deal to have to keep track of a specific store for sales on a game which may or may not go on sale, you might be the perfect consumer)


Steam does have an offline play option for most of its games, does it not?
 
2013-02-08 08:23:39 AM
There's an easier way to eradicate the used game business.

Just sell games like you sell Windows/Office:  the customer buys a one-time use activation key that can only be used on one machine.
 
2013-02-08 08:23:39 AM
I liked the WWII games they put out. A Bridge Too Far was kind of convoluted as in most scenarios the Germans' static 88 controlled everything so it was three hours to rush around it.
 
2013-02-08 08:25:29 AM
Steam's offline play option is very temperamental. It randomly decides when it will and won't work. Origin's is actually better despite Origin itself not being that great.

Both Microsoft and Sony have denied these rumours in the past. I highly doubt it would happen this generation as all three console makers would need to switch at the same time as they would drive the market to the competition by forcing this.
 
2013-02-08 08:27:45 AM

Derwood: There's an easier way to eradicate the used game business.

Just sell games like you sell Windows/Office:  the customer buys a one-time use activation key that can only be used on one machine.


Only be used on one console?  And what if my console breaks and I need to buy a new one, yet I still want to play all my previously purchased games?

Or what if I want to take my game over to a friend's house to play it?
 
2013-02-08 08:29:00 AM
It's pointless to do this sort of protection on disks. There's a much more efficient way to kill the secondary market: digital delivery. Expect the XBox1440 to use no physical media.

I envision a future where players can store games directly on their controllers, bring the controller to a friend's house, and play.
 
2013-02-08 08:29:40 AM

starsrift: blue_2501: Repeating thread is a repeat.

Also, this won't happen.  MS will say they will do this, and then they will back off and play nice again prior to launch.  I know they have been hit hard by piracy, but they really aren't this stupid.  If MS does this, everybody will buy a PS4.  If Sony backs them up, everybody will use Steam & PC gaming.  It's a lose-lose.

Microsoft knows how many 360's they sold and how many 360 users got online. Wake up. Always-on is fine for the majority. Going to Steam isn't a credible threat - Steam requires online connectivity too.


This isn't the sticking point.  It's the "we aren't going to support used games" argument.  This would end them if they actually believed it was going to work.
 
2013-02-08 08:33:48 AM
FTFH Microsoft will now do for Games by doing what it did for Internet Browsers and Computers

Make them fairly ubiquitous worldwide?
 
2013-02-08 08:34:35 AM
Steam: you're not buying a physical product, and you can use it across literally any and every PC that can run steam.  You can have the same game installed on ten computers, even if you can only play one at a time.  You also have offline mode, which runs fine for the vast majority of users, and most complaints are because people are too stupid to not run offline mode correctly the first time (protip: be online, run offline mode once, turn back online; this fixes about 80% of the offline mode complaints).

Proposal by this article: you're buying a physical product which can only be used on a specific console, cannot be used on a new console, cannot be used on a console you have at grandma's house, cannot be used on more than anything except the first machine you put it into.  There is no offline mode.  If your next goes off, you're farked.

See the difference?
 
2013-02-08 08:36:32 AM

blue_2501: This isn't the sticking point.  It's the "we aren't going to support used games" argument.  This would end them if they actually believed it was going to work.


The majority of console gamers are gonna pay 4-7 times the cost of a console to get a computer to play console games and to use an online platform that doesn't even permit refunds, nevermind trade used games, in order to make a point?

I don't think so.
 
2013-02-08 08:40:55 AM

starsrift: blue_2501: This isn't the sticking point.  It's the "we aren't going to support used games" argument.  This would end them if they actually believed it was going to work.

The majority of console gamers are gonna pay 4-7 times the cost of a console to get a computer to play console games and to use an online platform that doesn't even permit refunds, nevermind trade used games, in order to make a point?

I don't think so.


That wasn't true for the current generation and it sure as hell isn't going to be true for this one.
 
2013-02-08 08:51:51 AM
It was only a matter of time until the video game industry reached a saturation point and the flawed ideals of our capitalism pushed them to try and continue to grow at a rate that's impossible. I expect them to continue to attempt to squeeze every last dollar out of a rapidly splintering consumer base and there will be a few spectacular implosions in the coming years.
 
2013-02-08 08:52:04 AM
media.giantbomb.com
 
2013-02-08 08:52:53 AM
Glad this is about Xbox amd not PS but glad to see it's still a rumor and nothing is actually confirmed yet I await Feburary 20th with sweaty palms though.
 
2013-02-08 08:56:28 AM

MayoSlather: It was only a matter of time until the video game industry reached a saturation point and the flawed ideals of our capitalism pushed them to try and continue to grow at a rate that's impossible. I expect them to continue to attempt to squeeze every last dollar out of a rapidly splintering consumer base and there will be a few spectacular implosions in the coming years.


Like a bursting of a video game entertainment bubble?  It'll be 1983 all over again, heh.
 
2013-02-08 08:59:01 AM

MayoSlather: It was only a matter of time until the video game industry reached a saturation point and the flawed ideals of our capitalism pushed them to try and continue to grow at a rate that's impossible. I expect them to continue to attempt to squeeze every last dollar out of a rapidly splintering consumer base and there will be a few spectacular implosions in the coming years.



Right you are.

I wonder if, somehow, Nintendo will emerge from the coming meltdown as the only company left standing.

Crazy as it sounds, I'm sticking with them.
 
2013-02-08 09:01:01 AM

Sargun: Steam: you're not buying a physical product, and you can use it across literally any and every PC that can run steam.  You can have the same game installed on ten computers, even if you can only play one at a time.  You also have offline mode, which runs fine for the vast majority of users, and most complaints are because people are too stupid to not run offline mode correctly the first time (protip: be online, run offline mode once, turn back online; this fixes about 80% of the offline mode complaints).

Proposal by this article: you're buying a physical product which can only be used on a specific console, cannot be used on a new console, cannot be used on a console you have at grandma's house, cannot be used on more than anything except the first machine you put it into.  There is no offline mode.  If your next goes off, you're farked.

See the difference?


I would assume they would make it per gamer id.  That way all you have to do is log on to another console to play the game.  At least that is the way I would make it work.
 
2013-02-08 09:01:20 AM
Used game stores will do fine bc this bs is going to result in a lot of people holding on to their 360s and PS3s.
 
2013-02-08 09:01:59 AM

Pick13: Comcast and Verizon will put a stop to this ASAP. Image during the holiday season when a bunch of people downloading 100+ gigs worth of games. I think the next generation of games will be 50+ gigs minimum.

CSB?
I got a letter from Comast after I downloaded RAGE (22GB) twice off Steam telling me I needed to upgrade to a business line beacuse, I was using too much bandwith.


The $5/month is worth it.  You get prioritized packets and a 24/7 SLA and get your monthly fee reduced if you have an outage over 4 hours.
 
2013-02-08 09:08:06 AM

Cythraul: MayoSlather: It was only a matter of time until the video game industry reached a saturation point and the flawed ideals of our capitalism pushed them to try and continue to grow at a rate that's impossible. I expect them to continue to attempt to squeeze every last dollar out of a rapidly splintering consumer base and there will be a few spectacular implosions in the coming years.

Like a bursting of a video game entertainment bubble?  It'll be 1983 all over again, heh.


Except this time we will all be glad if the big boys like Activision, EA, MS, and Sony fall. I swear 1994-2001 was like the golden age of video games. Then game publishers figured out they can try to dick us like talking picture box publishers do.

There was a period of time there where I was buying like a game a month for a long time, and now it's only a couple a year, if that. I can't/won't be assed to pay 60 bucks for something with limited replays/limited installations/activations and whatever else hoop jumping you assholes dream up to prove to you I'm not a "pirate".
 
2013-02-08 09:11:12 AM

Copperbelly watersnake: Used game stores will do fine bc this bs is going to result in a lot of people holding on to their 360s and PS3s.


Not without new titles to trade for.
 
2013-02-08 09:12:06 AM
A console that's wide open to anyone who wants to write games for it, would really screw this plan up. Oh hey what do you know, a console like that is on the way.
 
2013-02-08 09:13:20 AM

sleeper2995: Glad this is about Xbox amd not PS but glad to see it's still a rumor and nothing is actually confirmed yet I await Feburary 20th with sweaty palms though.


Guess you missed the PS3 thread in January about them patenting a type of DRM to stop used games on Playstation. Both companies have played around with it, but actually implementing it is a whole different beast.

osiris111: I took my son to gamestop because he wanted to get Metal of Honor Warfighter.  He found a used copy that was 10 bucks less than new.  The clerk at the checkout pointed out that he would have to spend $10 to buy a new activation code for the game since it was used, so he just bought a new one.

If the console manufacturers do allow used games in next gen console, I expect more game studios will start this practice of making people pay a fee to re-activate a used game on a different console.

//Steam FTW


The activation code is for multiplayer only, the single-player part of the game is fully open to him. No game comes "deactivated", it's only access to the multiplayer servers that you get.

I feel more sorry that he spent $60 on that terrible game. It was so bad it actually made EA take a step back and think about what they wanted to do with the MOH name.
 
2013-02-08 09:13:48 AM
There's no way that MS will do this if Sony won't. That's console suicide.

Either both consoles will go this way or neither will
 
2013-02-08 09:14:35 AM

Ed Grubermann: Didn't we already have a thread about this? Oh, yeah. Here in is.http://www.fark.com/comments/7578121/The-next-Xbox-will-require-an -int ernet-connection-to-use-will-not-play-second-hand-games-as-new-games-w ill-ship-with-a-one-time-activation-code


But we didn't enter the activation code for that thread so we can buy it used.
 
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2013-02-08 09:22:26 AM

WhyteRaven74: A console that's wide open to anyone who wants to write games for it, would really screw this plan up. Oh hey what do you know, a console like that is on the way.


It's already existed for a while.  It's called "Xbox".
 
2013-02-08 09:28:33 AM

doczoidberg: Right you are.

I wonder if, somehow, Nintendo will emerge from the coming meltdown as the only company left standing.

Crazy as it sounds, I'm sticking with them.


Well, Nintendo is not that dumb, for once. And second, they live through their own IPs something that MS and Sony don't really have, besides Halo in the case of MS. Nintendo is, by far, the largest game software producer in the world, they can be fine on their own. They're the Apple of the videogames world.
 
2013-02-08 09:35:10 AM

rocky_howard: They're the Apple of the videogames world.

 
2013-02-08 09:35:56 AM
Microsoft already tried to do shiatty copy protection on games. This is shiatty copy protection on consoles.
 
2013-02-08 09:38:26 AM
Crap. gif didn't load, and now I can't find a screen cap of DD smashing the house in anger.
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