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(NPR)   More and more people are turning to fast food chains like McDonald's for healthier options, and as a result are boosting their profits   (npr.org) divider line 69
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2013-02-08 12:35:52 AM
What's ironic?  Smaller portions require less product, pretty much the same amount of labor, and all other fixed costs (rent, utilities, etc) stay pretty much the same.  Of course a small french fry or small drink should be more profitable for a restaurant.  That's the whole reason portions got out of control in the first place.  It's cheaper to offer more matter on the plate than it is to do almost anything else that a restaurant can get a competitive advantage from.  Once you're cooking a fry you need the labor of washing, cutting, frying, serving, cashiering, cleaning up after the customer, etc.  Basically a fixed cost per customer order regardless of portion size.  Cutting and frying may take marginally longer, but not long enough to raise the overall labor cost typically.

That or if you're offering a healthy product that the competition doesn't, and it increases the number of customers you have it doesn't mean you have to change any of the fixed costs, maybe you'll need an extra employee or two to cover the extra customers, but the extra employees (if your pricing structure is properly accounted for) should pay for themselves from the extra customers they allow you to serve.  Add in the idea that places like Whole Foods seem to make work of people being willing to pay a premium for higher quality food and it should be easy to offer items that has less materials costs (fats are expensive) with a higher markup as a percentage over cost than the burger or fried food.

I'm not sure why any of this would be surprising.  That's the formula, more or less, that Subway seems to have been using for years.  Make people feel like they're getting a great value that's a healthier choice, a large enough portion that they'll be happy, but with a version that's healthy if they want it, and make sure that people have the perception of that being the best quick service option between value, quality, and healthiness.
 
2013-02-08 01:25:33 AM
I see.
 
2013-02-08 02:11:36 AM
It's like ten thousand sporks when all you need is a knife.
 
2013-02-08 02:24:18 AM
My 12 year old son watched "Super Size Me" and now he refuses to eat fast food. I'm not discouraging him in the least.
 
2013-02-08 02:26:05 AM

log_jammin: My 12 year old son watched "Super Size Me" and now he refuses to eat fast food. I'm not discouraging him in the least.


Now just show him "Super High Me" and he'll be ready to move to Portland.
 
2013-02-08 02:31:50 AM

davidphogan: Now just show him "Super High Me"


I'd rather he watched Dane Cook.
 
2013-02-08 02:39:12 AM

davidphogan: What's ironic?  Smaller portions require less product, pretty much the same amount of labor, and all other fixed costs (rent, utilities, etc) stay pretty much the same.  Of course a small french fry or small drink should be more profitable for a restaurant.  That's the whole reason portions got out of control in the first place.  It's cheaper to offer more matter on the plate than it is to do almost anything else that a restaurant can get a competitive advantage from.  Once you're cooking a fry you need the labor of washing, cutting, frying, serving, cashiering, cleaning up after the customer, etc.  Basically a fixed cost per customer order regardless of portion size.  Cutting and frying may take marginally longer, but not long enough to raise the overall labor cost typically.


I seem to recall hearing a while back that the packaging the food comes in costs them more than the food itself.
 
2013-02-08 02:49:51 AM

fusillade762: I seem to recall hearing a while back that the packaging the food comes in costs them more than the food itself.


Depends on the item/restaurant/packaging, but definitely possible.  I managed a place where per cup the cup cost more than the soda or coffee.  That's why refills were 1/2 price versus buying a cup of drink.  I can't think of many other foods where that would be true, I'm sure there are exceptions, but fountain drinks and coffee would be the really obvious ones to me.
 
2013-02-08 03:02:16 AM
log_jammin:  I'd rather he watched Dane Cook.

I'm calling child protective services.
 
2013-02-08 04:14:06 AM

log_jammin: davidphogan: Now just show him "Super High Me"

I'd rather he watched Dane Cook.


i'm calling the gay police!
 
2013-02-08 04:17:21 AM
How are people boosting their profits by eating fast food?

Sounds like some kinda pyramid scheme.
 
2013-02-08 04:20:33 AM
Eh, I'm all for eating healthier, but I'd rather not have to get out of my car to do so.

God bless you, Fast Food
 
2013-02-08 04:21:11 AM

SpdrJay: How are people boosting their profits by eating fast food?

Sounds like some kinda pyramid scheme.



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2013-02-08 04:23:03 AM

log_jammin: My 12 year old son watched "Super Size Me" and now he refuses to eat fast food. I'm not discouraging him in the least.


Well its good that hes not eating fast food. But personally all I learned from that film was that if you force feed yourself crappy food even after you're full, you're going to make yourself sick.
 
2013-02-08 04:27:21 AM

SpdrJay: How are people boosting their profits by eating fast food?


Pronoun Trouble
 
2013-02-08 04:31:43 AM
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2013-02-08 04:49:18 AM
Sheesh.....

First the Hunt/Murder" thread now this Chain Restaurants Sales story.

NPR is really firing on all the derp cylinders this week.
 
2013-02-08 04:51:32 AM

log_jammin: davidphogan: Now just show him "Super High Me"

I'd rather he watched Dane Cook.


Why? You want him to grow up and steal jokes for a living, too?
 
2013-02-08 04:55:08 AM

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rape is fun
 
2013-02-08 05:04:11 AM
We're still ordering the burger and fries, mind you. But we're going for smaller portions and shunning sugary drinks.


It's freedom fries atMcDees!
 
2013-02-08 05:08:01 AM
www.zombiechristmas.com
 
2013-02-08 05:09:10 AM

davidphogan: What's ironic?  Smaller portions require less product, pretty much the same amount of labor, and all other fixed costs (rent, utilities, etc) stay pretty much the same.  Of course a small french fry or small drink should be more profitable for a restaurant.  That's the whole reason portions got out of control in the first place.  It's cheaper to offer more matter on the plate than it is to do almost anything else that a restaurant can get a competitive advantage from.  Once you're cooking a fry you need the labor of washing, cutting, frying, serving, cashiering, cleaning up after the customer, etc.  Basically a fixed cost per customer order regardless of portion size.  Cutting and frying may take marginally longer, but not long enough to raise the overall labor cost typically.

That or if you're offering a healthy product that the competition doesn't, and it increases the number of customers you have it doesn't mean you have to change any of the fixed costs, maybe you'll need an extra employee or two to cover the extra customers, but the extra employees (if your pricing structure is properly accounted for) should pay for themselves from the extra customers they allow you to serve.  Add in the idea that places like Whole Foods seem to make work of people being willing to pay a premium for higher quality food and it should be easy to offer items that has less materials costs (fats are expensive) with a higher markup as a percentage over cost than the burger or fried food.

I'm not sure why any of this would be surprising.  That's the formula, more or less, that Subway seems to have been using for years.  Make people feel like they're getting a great value that's a healthier choice, a large enough portion that they'll be happy, but with a version that's healthy if they want it, and make sure that people have the perception of that being the best quick service option between value, qualityI, and healthiness.


I have no idea what you are talking about.  Whay is a subway?hh
 
2013-02-08 05:12:28 AM

Mitch Mitchell: davidphogan: What's ironic?  Smaller portions require less product, pretty much the same amount of labor, and all other fixed costs (rent, utilities, etc) stay pretty much the same.  Of course a small french fry or small drink should be more profitable for a restaurant.  That's the whole reason portions got out of control in the first place.  It's cheaper to offer more matter on the plate than it is to do almost anything else that a restaurant can get a competitive advantage from.  Once you're cooking a fry you need the labor of washing, cutting, frying, serving, cashiering, cleaning up after the customer, etc.  Basically a fixed cost per customer order regardless of portion size.  Cutting and frying may take marginally longer, but not long enough to raise the overall labor cost typically.

That or if you're offering a healthy product that the competition doesn't, and it increases the number of customers you have it doesn't mean you have to change any of the fixed costs, maybe you'll need an extra employee or two to cover the extra customers, but the extra employees (if your pricing structure is properly accounted for) should pay for themselves from the extra customers they allow you to serve.  Add in the idea that places like Whole Foods seem to make work of people being willing to pay a premium for higher quality food and it should be easy to offer items that has less materials costs (fats are expensive) with a higher markup as a percentage over cost than the burger or fried food.

I'm not sure why any of this would be surprising.  That's the formula, more or less, that Subway seems to have been using for years.  Make people feel like they're getting a great value that's a healthier choice, a large enough portion that they'll be happy, but with a version that's healthy if they want it, and make sure that people have the perception of that being the best quick service option between value, qualityI, and healthiness.

I have no idea what you are talking about.  Whay ...


yes. whay is health food.  subway is health food.
 
2013-02-08 05:24:44 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Mitch Mitchell: davidphogan: What's ironic?  Smaller portions require less product, pretty much the same amount of labor, and all other fixed costs (rent, utilities, etc) stay pretty much the same.  Of course a small french fry or small drink should be more profitable for a restaurant.  That's the whole reason portions got out of control in the first place.  It's cheaper to offer more matter on the plate than it is to do almost anything else that a restaurant can get a competitive advantage from.  Once you're cooking a fry you need the labor of washing, cutting, frying, serving, cashiering, cleaning up after the customer, etc.  Basically a fixed cost per customer order regardless of portion size.  Cutting and frying may take marginally longer, but not long enough to raise the overall labor cost typically.

That or if you're offering a healthy product that the competition doesn't, and it increases the number of customers you have it doesn't mean you have to change any of the fixed costs, maybe you'll need an extra employee or two to cover the extra customers, but the extra employees (if your pricing structure is properly accounted for) should pay for themselves from the extra customers they allow you to serve.  Add in the idea that places like Whole Foods seem to make work of people being willing to pay a premium for higher quality food and it should be easy to offer items that has less materials costs (fats are expensive) with a higher markup as a percentage over cost than the burger or fried food.

I'm not sure why any of this would be surprising.  That's the formula, more or less, that Subway seems to have been using for years.  Make people feel like they're getting a great value that's a healthier choice, a large enough portion that they'll be happy, but with a version that's healthy if they want it, and make sure that people have the perception of that being the best quick service option between value, qualityI, and healthiness.

I have no idea what you are talking about.  Whay ...

yes. whay is health food.  subway is health food.


If you have aides like Jared
 
2013-02-08 05:28:21 AM
People still believe fast food outlets' "healthier options" are actually healthy? Bwahahahahahaha (gasp) ha
 
2013-02-08 05:30:58 AM
look.  you don't NEED to EXERCISE.  just eat SUBWAY and you'll lose muscle, fat, etc..
 
2013-02-08 05:31:52 AM

Bob Down: People still believe fast food outlets' "healthier options" are actually healthy? Bwahahahahahaha (gasp) ha


I think the salads are the highest fat items on the menu at McDonalds.  All that ranch dressing.
 
2013-02-08 05:32:48 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Bob Down: People still believe fast food outlets' "healthier options" are actually healthy? Bwahahahahahaha (gasp) ha

I think the salads are the highest fat items on the menu at McDonalds.  All that ranch dressing.


yeah but a trillion $ goes to charity
mr. farmer / actor / comedian Newman sez so.
 
2013-02-08 05:52:39 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Bob Down: People still believe fast food outlets' "healthier options" are actually healthy? Bwahahahahahaha (gasp) ha

I think the salads are the highest fat items on the menu at McDonalds.  All that ranch dressing.


I eat the napkins.
 
2013-02-08 06:08:41 AM

log_jammin: davidphogan: Now just show him "Super High Me"

I'd rather he watched Dane Cook.


No one really watches Dane cook.

'Suffers' I think is the word you want there.
 
2013-02-08 06:30:50 AM
McD's idea of health food

fatnewsfeed.com
 
2013-02-08 06:32:28 AM
They haven't been turning to "healthier options." They've been turning to cheaper options - which have higher profit margins, overall. Any health benefits are incidental.

Instead of a Big Mac meal super-sized, they get the cheeseburger meal regular-sized because it's a bit less expensive.

It's not health - it's cost.
 
2013-02-08 07:26:11 AM
Healthy or not, I tried the Mighty Wings yesterday...and they were actually not bad.
 
2013-02-08 07:27:45 AM

cirby: They haven't been turning to "healthier options." They've been turning to cheaper options - which have higher profit margins, overall. Any health benefits are incidental.

Instead of a Big Mac meal super-sized, they get the cheeseburger meal regular-sized because it's a bit less expensive.

It's not health - it's cost.




We'll just overlook McDonalds fruit salads, grilled chicken, fajita wraps, etc.
 
2013-02-08 08:45:15 AM
Restaurants offer healthier food when customers start wanting healthier food?


The free market - how does that work?
 
2013-02-08 08:57:24 AM
Grilled chicken southwest salad with Balsamic dressing at McDonald's has 325 calories, tons of flavor and feels substantial enough to call a meal. Yes, they're $5 but I am thankful that I can find that meal any time I want to have it or need to eat fast food.

I've lost over 150lbs. and I've kept it off and I eat at McDonald's probably three times a week.
 
2013-02-08 09:17:13 AM

log_jammin: My 12 year old son watched "Super Size Me" and now he refuses to eat fast food. I'm not discouraging him in the least.


See now what I do is teach my son the truth on matters and let him decide rather then use a basically propaganda style "documentary" to modify his behavior with what amounts to lies.  I suppose you are going to set him up with "An Inconvenient Truth" next so he turns off the lights?

//is currently cutting
///had a McD's classic grilled chicken yesterday
////400 calories or so
//not a fatty
 
2013-02-08 09:22:48 AM
Was the stupid tag on vacation?
 
2013-02-08 09:33:46 AM

Pocket_Fisherman: log_jammin: My 12 year old son watched "Super Size Me" and now he refuses to eat fast food. I'm not discouraging him in the least.

See now what I do is teach my son the truth on matters and let him decide rather then use a basically propaganda style "documentary" to modify his behavior with what amounts to lies.  I suppose you are going to set him up with "An Inconvenient Truth" next so he turns off the lights?

//is currently cutting
///had a McD's classic grilled chicken yesterday
////400 calories or so
//not a fatty


I like how you took the phrase "my 12 year old son watched" and turned it into "I made my son watch".
 
2013-02-08 09:36:13 AM

TheOriginalEd: Was the stupid tag on vacation?


What's stupid about it?  McDonalds is better than most places now as they put the calories right on the menu when you order.  I know its the internet but lets not just follow meme's and "common knowledge" about subjects with derp like predictability.

If I don't have time/energy to make my own lunch or dinner at least I know approximately what I'm getting from McD's.  I know not only the calories but the amount of protein, carbs, and fats.  I'm in better shape than 90% of my age group and McDonalds actually helps maintain that.

The only thing stupid here is people who are so sure of themselves that they refuse to even contemplate the idea that "fast food" doesn't have to be unhealthy.  If I had two double quarter pounders, it would be stupid and unhealthy, but those are choices.  You can be just as stupid and unhealthy at places like Panera, or the Whole Foods prepared foods section.
 
2013-02-08 09:45:07 AM

likefunbutnot: Grilled chicken southwest salad with Balsamic dressing at McDonald's has 325 calories, tons of flavor and feels substantial enough to call a meal. Yes, they're $5 but I am thankful that I can find that meal any time I want to have it or need to eat fast food.

I've lost over 150lbs. and I've kept it off and I eat at McDonald's probably three times a week.


I agree. Those southwest salads are awesome-sauce. Newman's lowfat dressing, a good amount of protein, and a ton of tasty goodness. By any almost all measures, they're extremely healthy & filling meals - they just happen to be served at McDonalds. Although at 41% of your daily sodium, they're a little high in salt, but not terribly.

/mmmm, I want one right now.
 
2013-02-08 09:45:49 AM

log_jammin: Pocket_Fisherman: log_jammin: My 12 year old son watched "Super Size Me" and now he refuses to eat fast food. I'm not discouraging him in the least.

See now what I do is teach my son the truth on matters and let him decide rather then use a basically propaganda style "documentary" to modify his behavior with what amounts to lies.  I suppose you are going to set him up with "An Inconvenient Truth" next so he turns off the lights?

//is currently cutting
///had a McD's classic grilled chicken yesterday
////400 calories or so
//not a fatty

I like how you took the phrase "my 12 year old son watched" and turned it into "I made my son watch".


Well you seemed so pleased with the results, why not?  You are letting him believe in the boogie man because you think it serves a greater good for him.  I think its best to teach rational and logical thinking, as well as a healthy dose of skepticism to what they watch.
 
2013-02-08 09:47:33 AM

MrSteve007: likefunbutnot: Grilled chicken southwest salad with Balsamic dressing at McDonald's has 325 calories, tons of flavor and feels substantial enough to call a meal. Yes, they're $5 but I am thankful that I can find that meal any time I want to have it or need to eat fast food.

I've lost over 150lbs. and I've kept it off and I eat at McDonald's probably three times a week.

I agree. Those southwest salads are awesome-sauce. Newman's lowfat dressing, a good amount of protein, and a ton of tasty goodness. By any almost all measures, they're extremely healthy & filling meals - they just happen to be served at McDonalds. Although at 41% of your daily sodium, they're a little high in salt, but not terribly.

/mmmm, I want one right now.


Unless you have some salt sensitivity issues, don't worry about the salt.  Sodium is one of those health scares that don't really exist in reality.
 
2013-02-08 09:52:55 AM
Pocket_Fisherman:  I think its best to teach rational and logical thinking, as well as a healthy dose of skepticism to what they watch.

Me too... that's why my kids get exposed to nothing but Ayn Rand and Glenn Beck.
 
2013-02-08 09:59:40 AM

Pocket_Fisherman: log_jammin: Pocket_Fisherman: log_jammin: My 12 year old son watched "Super Size Me" and now he refuses to eat fast food. I'm not discouraging him in the least.

See now what I do is teach my son the truth on matters and let him decide rather then use a basically propaganda style "documentary" to modify his behavior with what amounts to lies.  I suppose you are going to set him up with "An Inconvenient Truth" next so he turns off the lights?

//is currently cutting
///had a McD's classic grilled chicken yesterday
////400 calories or so
//not a fatty

I like how you took the phrase "my 12 year old son watched" and turned it into "I made my son watch".

Well you seemed so pleased with the results, why not?  You are letting him believe in the boogie man because you think it serves a greater good for him.  I think its best to teach rational and logical thinking, as well as a healthy dose of skepticism to what they watch.


Hilarious.
 
2013-02-08 10:00:13 AM

Pocket_Fisherman: Unless you have some salt sensitivity issues, don't worry about the salt. Sodium is one of those health scares that don't really exist in reality.


Oh, I agree. Just offset it with drinking more water and don't go overboard.

One thing that I find interesting though, last year I went on a month long cruise. Over the course of the cruise, the chefs aboard the ship must have been slowly and steadily lowing the overall salt intake of the passengers, because by the time I got back, for the first week, everything I ate at restaurants tasted like they were first dipped in the ocean.
 
2013-02-08 10:06:45 AM

SpdrJay: How are people boosting their profits by eating fast food?

Sounds like some kinda pyramid scheme.


"profits" is Swahili for "waistline"
 
2013-02-08 10:11:11 AM

davidphogan: fusillade762: I seem to recall hearing a while back that the packaging the food comes in costs them more than the food itself.

Depends on the item/restaurant/packaging, but definitely possible.  I managed a place where per cup the cup cost more than the soda or coffee.  That's why refills were 1/2 price versus buying a cup of drink.  I can't think of many other foods where that would be true, I'm sure there are exceptions, but fountain drinks and coffee would be the really obvious ones to me.


Yeah, even 40 years ago the costs for a soda were: Cup, ice, soda.
 
2013-02-08 10:15:22 AM
I once lost 70 pounds by eating nothing but Wendy's chili and Wendy's value menu caesar salads for six months.

Seriously. It worked!
 
2013-02-08 10:24:16 AM
Disgusting how people will eat shiat tier food and think it's healthy regardless of what that food is. It's the substance retards, not the calories.
 
2013-02-08 10:28:10 AM

MrSteve007: Pocket_Fisherman: Unless you have some salt sensitivity issues, don't worry about the salt. Sodium is one of those health scares that don't really exist in reality.

Oh, I agree. Just offset it with drinking more water and don't go overboard.

One thing that I find interesting though, last year I went on a month long cruise. Over the course of the cruise, the chefs aboard the ship must have been slowly and steadily lowing the overall salt intake of the passengers, because by the time I got back, for the first week, everything I ate at restaurants tasted like they were first dipped in the ocean.


Heh now there is a challenge.  Eating healthy on a month long cruise.
 
2013-02-08 10:37:24 AM

MrSteve007: Pocket_Fisherman: Unless you have some salt sensitivity issues, don't worry about the salt. Sodium is one of those health scares that don't really exist in reality.

Oh, I agree. Just offset it with drinking more water and don't go overboard.

One thing that I find interesting though, last year I went on a month long cruise. Over the course of the cruise, the chefs aboard the ship must have been slowly and steadily lowing the overall salt intake of the passengers, because by the time I got back, for the first week, everything I ate at restaurants tasted like they were first dipped in the ocean.


Terrible advice. Salt is a killer. Drinking water isn't going to somehow 'dilute' it.
 
2013-02-08 10:45:51 AM

Pocket_Fisherman: Heh now there is a challenge. Eating healthy on a month long cruise.


On a single week cruise, people go crazy with unlimited food. When it comes to longer cruises, it's pretty easy to adjust, especially when you have a bajillion days a sea. I usually fall into this routine.

Breakfast: two egg benedict, bowl of fresh fruit
Lunch: Hot dog or burger, side of pasta, another bowl of fruit.
Afternoon Snack: soft serve
Dinner: steak (or lobster), baked potato and salad.

As for daily exercise, I'll spend an hour swimming laps or running up on deck for 3-4 miles. I always feel full and typically end up dropping 5-10 lbs on a cruise like that.

/prepping for a double trans-Atlantic this July.
 
2013-02-08 11:11:23 AM

stellarossa: Terrible advice. Salt is a killer. Drinking water isn't going to somehow 'dilute' it.


Believe what you will. I regularly run marathons, climb mountains, teach scuba diving on the weekends, and am a very active guy - so my case is different from most office workers who sit on their butts all day. My blood work is almost textbook, yet I eat fast food every day.

I know that when running marathons and attempting to drink only water, is a very good way to get yourself put in the hospital via hyponatremia - that's why most runners have bananas and have very salty Gatorade. After about 200 milligrams, your kidneys start working to dump the excess sodium via urine. When combined with aerobic activity and high levels of water intake, my kidneys are working overtime to remove waste (including salt) and fluid from my blood stream.

Or as most runners say "drink enough water until your piss is clear, then you know you're drinking enough."
 
2013-02-08 12:31:59 PM

stellarossa: MrSteve007: Pocket_Fisherman: Unless you have some salt sensitivity issues, don't worry about the salt. Sodium is one of those health scares that don't really exist in reality.

Oh, I agree. Just offset it with drinking more water and don't go overboard.

One thing that I find interesting though, last year I went on a month long cruise. Over the course of the cruise, the chefs aboard the ship must have been slowly and steadily lowing the overall salt intake of the passengers, because by the time I got back, for the first week, everything I ate at restaurants tasted like they were first dipped in the ocean.

Terrible advice. Salt is a killer. Drinking water isn't going to somehow 'dilute' it.



Take clues from your body. I eat a ton of salt, because my body craves it. I drink 1.5 gallons of water a day. Since I started exercising a year ago my blood pressure has fallen from 150/90 to 120/70. My resting heart rate is about 54 bpm.

I eat more salt than ever before. Please tell me how it is killing me.
 
2013-02-08 12:56:18 PM

Pangea: stellarossa: MrSteve007: Pocket_Fisherman: Unless you have some salt sensitivity issues, don't worry about the salt. Sodium is one of those health scares that don't really exist in reality.

Oh, I agree. Just offset it with drinking more water and don't go overboard.

One thing that I find interesting though, last year I went on a month long cruise. Over the course of the cruise, the chefs aboard the ship must have been slowly and steadily lowing the overall salt intake of the passengers, because by the time I got back, for the first week, everything I ate at restaurants tasted like they were first dipped in the ocean.

Terrible advice. Salt is a killer. Drinking water isn't going to somehow 'dilute' it.


Take clues from your body. I eat a ton of salt, because my body craves it. I drink 1.5 gallons of water a day. Since I started exercising a year ago my blood pressure has fallen from 150/90 to 120/70. My resting heart rate is about 54 bpm.

I eat more salt than ever before. Please tell me how it is killing me.


That which dehydrates causes death. How do you ingest your salt?

Also: eating a ton of salt because your body 'craves it' is also a terrible idea. Exercising is a good idea.
 
2013-02-08 02:16:24 PM

Nuclearbroods: Disgusting how people will eat shiat tier food and think it's healthy regardless of what that food is. It's the substance retards, not the calories.


Came in here to say this. If people ate real food, learned about healthy eating, and did more cooking for themselves they wouldn't need to count calories.

/also does anyone else think several of the posters in here must work for McDs or something?
 
2013-02-08 02:32:39 PM

MrSteve007: stellarossa: Terrible advice. Salt is a killer. Drinking water isn't going to somehow 'dilute' it.

Believe what you will. I regularly run marathons, climb mountains, teach scuba diving on the weekends, and am a very active guy - so my case is different from most office workers who sit on their butts all day. My blood work is almost textbook, yet I eat fast food every day.

I know that when running marathons and attempting to drink only water, is a very good way to get yourself put in the hospital via hyponatremia - that's why most runners have bananas and have very salty Gatorade. After about 200 milligrams, your kidneys start working to dump the excess sodium via urine. When combined with aerobic activity and high levels of water intake, my kidneys are working overtime to remove waste (including salt) and fluid from my blood stream.

Or as most runners say "drink enough water until your piss is clear, then you know you're drinking enough."


You gave general advice (to dilute salt by drinking more water). You got (correctly) told your advice was terrible. Then you replied by stating that as a marathon runner you're a special case. Which you are, but it doesn't make your general advice any less terrible.

Hyponatermia doesn't have anything to do with it. That's a completely different issue.
 
2013-02-08 02:40:09 PM
stellarossa:

That which dehydrates causes death. How do you ingest your salt?

Also: eating a ton of salt because your body 'craves it' is also a terrible idea. Exercising is a good idea.


I won't even pretend this makes any sense.  You are a crazy person.  Stop giving advice.  Its bad.
 
2013-02-08 02:47:09 PM

stellarossa: How do you ingest your salt?


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2013-02-08 02:47:14 PM

Pocket_Fisherman: stellarossa:

That which dehydrates causes death. How do you ingest your salt?

Also: eating a ton of salt because your body 'craves it' is also a terrible idea. Exercising is a good idea.

I won't even pretend this makes any sense.  You are a crazy person.  Stop giving advice.  Its bad.


You didn't answer the question. I shall answer it for you. Salt in raw food is fine. Salt in anything else, not fine. Eating a 'ton' of salt for whatever reason, craving or naivety, bad idea.
 
2013-02-08 06:26:29 PM

Pocket_Fisherman: Unless you have some salt sensitivity issues, don't worry about the salt.  Sodium is one of those health scares that don't really exist in reality.


Sodium is kind of a mixed bag. Either you're going to die from excess sodium or you're not. Even among big families it seems to vary. You got the line that dies "mysteriously" because of sodium and then you have the branch which refuses to die. Even when we wish they would [clenched teeth].

My doctor thinks my sodium is too high. I dunno, whatever? Less sodium wouldn't hurt directly. But it sure sounds farking boring: bran muffins and vegetable soup? fark. That .22 is sure looking delicious by comparison.
 
2013-02-08 06:40:41 PM

stellarossa: Pangea: stellarossa: MrSteve007: Pocket_Fisherman: Unless you have some salt sensitivity issues, don't worry about the salt. Sodium is one of those health scares that don't really exist in reality.

Oh, I agree. Just offset it with drinking more water and don't go overboard.

One thing that I find interesting though, last year I went on a month long cruise. Over the course of the cruise, the chefs aboard the ship must have been slowly and steadily lowing the overall salt intake of the passengers, because by the time I got back, for the first week, everything I ate at restaurants tasted like they were first dipped in the ocean.

Terrible advice. Salt is a killer. Drinking water isn't going to somehow 'dilute' it.


Take clues from your body. I eat a ton of salt, because my body craves it. I drink 1.5 gallons of water a day. Since I started exercising a year ago my blood pressure has fallen from 150/90 to 120/70. My resting heart rate is about 54 bpm.

I eat more salt than ever before. Please tell me how it is killing me.

That which dehydrates causes death. How do you ingest your salt?

Also: eating a ton of salt because your body 'craves it' is also a terrible idea. Exercising is a good idea.


Everything you have written is mostly true.

The problem areas are those which are untrue. Eating salt because you can is ridiculous. We had a family friend who pre-salted every bite. She's dead.

Salt, however, is required for life. It's kind of one of those odd stipulations: you need me but I'll kill you!

The problem is that the comparison level is faulty. Yes, godforsaken stinky corporations shove too much salt into their pre-packaged products. Yes, Americans in particular consume too much of these products.

The comparison level is faulty because it is not a normal distribution. 1500 mg is average, really? Americans by and large are north of 1500 by at least 1000 on average.

So why do American salt-addicts continue to live while people desperate for salt are dying right now?

The calculations are simply wrong. That's the real answer! Now it would be absurd to say that Americans in general are "healthy" because we are not even close. But if salt is our problem, then so is clean water the problem of the developing world. Find me an American who drinks too much water, there's probably a thousand or more in the developing world who don't get enough salt.
 
2013-02-08 06:46:35 PM

likefunbutnot: Grilled chicken southwest salad with Balsamic dressing at McDonald's has 325 calories, tons of flavor and feels substantial enough to call a meal. Yes, they're $5 but I am thankful that I can find that meal any time I want to have it or need to eat fast food.

I've lost over 150lbs. and I've kept it off and I eat at McDonald's probably three times a week.


stfu i eat mcdonalds everyday and don't gain a pound either
but i'm 50 pounds overweight
 
2013-02-08 06:51:48 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: likefunbutnot: Grilled chicken southwest salad with Balsamic dressing at McDonald's has 325 calories, tons of flavor and feels substantial enough to call a meal. Yes, they're $5 but I am thankful that I can find that meal any time I want to have it or need to eat fast food.

I've lost over 150lbs. and I've kept it off and I eat at McDonald's probably three times a week.

stfu i eat mcdonalds everyday and don't gain a pound either
but i'm 50 pounds overweight


You seem to be kidding, but the truth is there. You can eat anywhere you want. Get it grilled, get the salad, put the dressing/sauce on the side. And then only tip the tines of the fork into the dressing.

Nobody said it would be easy. Or tasty. My aunt, my uncle, and my mother decided to have gastric bypass. I decided early that I would never look like them. I hate to say that, but it's true. I love them all and I respect their decisions. I intentionally limited myself because I saw what I could become.
 
2013-02-08 08:26:49 PM
got to wonder what the hell they were eating before then...

/although i admittedly did eat fast food today... i was in between many hours of exertion and basically with no other options...
 
2013-02-08 08:30:48 PM

casual disregard: Jon iz teh kewl: likefunbutnot: Grilled chicken southwest salad with Balsamic dressing at McDonald's has 325 calories, tons of flavor and feels substantial enough to call a meal. Yes, they're $5 but I am thankful that I can find that meal any time I want to have it or need to eat fast food.

I've lost over 150lbs. and I've kept it off and I eat at McDonald's probably three times a week.

stfu i eat mcdonalds everyday and don't gain a pound either
but i'm 50 pounds overweight

You seem to be kidding, but the truth is there. You can eat anywhere you want. Get it grilled, get the salad, put the dressing/sauce on the side. And then only tip the tines of the fork into the dressing.

Nobody said it would be easy. Or tasty. My aunt, my uncle, and my mother decided to have gastric bypass. I decided early that I would never look like them. I hate to say that, but it's true. I love them all and I respect their decisions. I intentionally limited myself because I saw what I could become.


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2013-02-09 12:18:10 AM
McDonalds, whatever. Look, it's a successful franchise. If they didn't exist someone else would be serving cheap fast food. You WANT to make them a better citizen. You DON'T want to do is to hurt them -- someone else will just fill the gap.

Do any of you remember the protests over their their polystyrene packaging made from CFCs that were damaging the ozone and producing gigantic landfill refuse? You got them to change, now almost all their packaging is paper, except for maybe the cup lids and straws.

But is all this going to landfill? Probably -- but in the last few months the McDonalds in my area now separate their refuse stream into "compost" and "trash" bins for the customers. Now, whether the customers are any good at sorting is another issue ... but if they switch to vegetable-based cup lids and straws, it won't matter, all of their customer-side waste will be biodegradable.

But their food supply chain is ecologically damaging too - clear cutting lands for cattle farming, and overfishing. Well, they did just announce that soon all of their fish will be certified sustainably caught, if that certification actually means anything that will be a good thing. (We have to work on the beef-clearcutting thing. And getting Americans to eat a little less beef would be a good thing too, for a lot of reasons.)

Yeah, you can get some healthier things at McDonalds now because you're all making them change. Good for you! Everyone's happy. Except maybe their underpaid employees. We gotta do something about that too...
 
2013-02-09 10:55:15 AM

Pocket_Fisherman: log_jammin: Pocket_Fisherman: log_jammin: My 12 year old son watched "Super Size Me" and now he refuses to eat fast food. I'm not discouraging him in the least.

See now what I do is teach my son the truth on matters and let him decide rather then use a basically propaganda style "documentary" to modify his behavior with what amounts to lies.  I suppose you are going to set him up with "An Inconvenient Truth" next so he turns off the lights?

//is currently cutting
///had a McD's classic grilled chicken yesterday
////400 calories or so
//not a fatty

I like how you took the phrase "my 12 year old son watched" and turned it into "I made my son watch".

Well you seemed so pleased with the results, why not?  You are letting him believe in the boogie man because you think it serves a greater good for him.  I think its best to teach rational and logical thinking, as well as a healthy dose of skepticism to what they watch.


Wait wait wait...Are you complaining that someone is actually being a parent for once? Haven't we established that the childhood obesity epidemic is a parental problem, and now you're throwing a fit because a parent is actually trying to be part of the solution? Dafuq is wrong with you?
 
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