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2013-02-07 09:35:34 PM  
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2013-02-07 09:42:21 PM  
I thought those twins were under WW's breast plate?
 
2013-02-07 11:59:42 PM  
Don't we sorta need a Wonder Woman movie first? And to make sure "Man of Steel" doesn't suck?
 
2013-02-08 12:07:38 AM  
I say go with the Justice League: Detroit version
 
2013-02-08 12:48:15 AM  
Well that's not surprising. WB hasn't shown any evidence they understand how to handle a comic book property. Nolan's Batman slipped under their radar when it first came out so it never occurred to them to fix it.
 
2013-02-08 01:08:36 AM  

fusillade762: Don't we sorta need a Wonder Woman movie first? And to make sure "Man of Steel" doesn't suck?


No. You don't need any set up movies at all.

Seven Samurai, Lord of the Rings, Dirty Dozen, Oceans 11 all had groups of different characters interacting. Pulp Fictions had multiple storylines with multiple characters.

What you do need to do us have compelling interaction and an interesting threat to the world.
 
2013-02-08 01:49:18 AM  
There will never be a Wonder Woman movie. Period. You can't make a Wonder Woman movie. Full half the US wouldn't be able to get past the idea of a woman doing something besides making sandwiches. Suspension of disbelief would break with the first action scene. The idea that a woman can be a superhero is just not going to work for a mainstream film audience.
 
2013-02-08 02:33:01 AM  

unlikely: There will never be a Wonder Woman movie. Period. You can't make a Wonder Woman movie. Full half the US wouldn't be able to get past the idea of a woman doing something besides making sandwiches. Suspension of disbelief would break with the first action scene. The idea that a woman can be a superhero is just not going to work for a mainstream film audience.


Eh, Catwoman, Storm, Hit Girl, Mystique, etc... kinda disprove that. Granted, they didn't have their own movies, but their popularity shows that the public does approve of female superheroes.

That said, Wonder Woman is utterly bland and uncompelling.
 
2013-02-08 03:02:15 AM  
If you thought "Just what does Black Widow do in a firefight when they have the Hulk around?" while watching the Avengers they just wait until "An enormous star goat is about to attack the earth! This is a job for Hawkman and Aquaman and...hey, not only did Superman kick the goat's ass while we were talking Flash tattooed Dickbutt on our foreheads. Not cool, guys!"
 
2013-02-08 04:03:46 AM  

unlikely: There will never be a Wonder Woman movie. Period.


Well, not if the plot's going to center around that...
 
2013-02-08 04:27:28 AM  

Demagog_Dog: unlikely: There will never be a Wonder Woman movie. Period.

Well, not if the plot's going to center around that...


lolz. i see what you did there...
 
2013-02-08 06:25:08 AM  

Demagog_Dog: unlikely: There will never be a Wonder Woman movie. Period.

Well, not if the plot's going to center around that...


"By Menses' corpuscles, I must staunch that flow!"
 
2013-02-08 06:27:09 AM  
 
2013-02-08 06:54:10 AM  

unlikely: There will never be a Wonder Woman movie. Period. You can't make a Wonder Woman movie. Full half the US wouldn't be able to get past the idea of a woman doing something besides making sandwiches. Suspension of disbelief would break with the first action scene. The idea that a woman can be a superhero is just not going to work for a mainstream film audience.


Beatrix Kiddo, Laura Croft and Milla Jovovich  would like a word with you.

Wonder Woman can't work as a movie because she's a stupid farking character. An Amazon who wears American flag underwear and carries a lasso that makes people tell the truth and bracelets that deflect bullets. Oh, and she flies an invisible jet. She's like a Mad Libs of super heroes.
 
2013-02-08 07:08:19 AM  

unlikely: There will never be a Wonder Woman movie. Period. You can't make a Wonder Woman movie. Full half the US wouldn't be able to get past the idea of a woman doing something besides making sandwiches. Suspension of disbelief would break with the first action scene. The idea that a woman can be a superhero is just not going to work for a mainstream film audience.


Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin know what you mean.
 
2013-02-08 07:09:42 AM  
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Casting calls begin next week.
 
2013-02-08 07:33:08 AM  
Darth_Lukecash:Seven Samurai, Lord of the Rings, Dirty Dozen, Oceans 11 all had groups of different characters interacting. Pulp Fictions had multiple storylines with multiple characters.

Pulp fiction only had two storylines and two characters with actual story devoted to them (Bruce Willis and Travolta), every other character was a setpiece.

The Dirty Dozen and Oceans 11 were "ensemble" in name only, with only one to three characters getting an actual character beyond "asian dude that can fit in a box" (and this is being very generous to the characterization).

Seven Samurai and Lord of the Rings were directed at an audience of people assumed to be highly literate and willing to sit through 3-4 hours for a single film.

So if that's where your expectations are, your choices are:
-- Sit through a 3.5-hour movie about cartoon characters from your childhood who are bound by "status quo is god" due to another company not wanting their character altered wrt existing properties
-- Have a Justice League movie that's not actually about the Justice League, where it's a story with one or two protagonists with their membership in the league being the background/setting and no real time or writing being used on the other members.

... actually, that second one sounds fine by me.  Having the Flash and the Green Lantern run around in the background and play support in a movie that's mostly about Superman and Batman having some bro-bonding over kicking alien arse wouldn't be half-bad, I think.

//Note that the Avengers, taken as an individual movie, really only had a plot-arc for the Hulk and Hawkeye/Black Widow.  If the other movies didn't exist it would fall into category 2 as well.
 
2013-02-08 07:43:21 AM  

fusillade762: Don't we sorta need a Wonder Woman movie first? And to make sure "Man of Steel" doesn't suck?


I don't think we do.  I mean, Marvel did it smart because it was something new, and (let's face facts), not many people knew who a lot of their main characters were.  Us geeks knew Thor, Loki, Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Nick Fury, but I think the vast majority of folks knew vaguely of Captain America and only remember Hulk thanks to the cheesy TV show.  Iron Man wasn't really on the public radar until the first movie turned into a big hit.

With DC, everyone in the world knows their big three.  We don't need a Batman or Superman set up story (even if we are getting one) because everyone in the world knows their origins.  Wonder Woman's origins may be vague (especially since they've been changed a few times since her creation, for the better I might add), but at least she had a popular TV show in the past.  The rest could be introduced fairly easily and maybe spin off into their own movie should it prove profitable. 

There's a lot less buildup needed to pull off a Justice League movie.  Though I really wish that they'd let Paul Dini have the script, or at the very least adapt the first season of Justice League Unlimited into a series of movies.  In my opinion, that's the best treatment DC's heavy hitters AND C-Listers have ever received.  Superman was the most powerful, but certainly not unbeatable.  Wonder Woman was strong in her own right, but not the man-hating superbeing she is sometimes portrayed as.  Manhunter was tragic, Flash/Wally West was great comedic relief, and Green Lantern was cool and not Ryan Reynolds.  And Batman was completely badass and brooding, with the capability to stand with the big boys but was still inescapably human when it came down to it.  

The overall story line was great too, because the government's reaction to the world's super powered protectors joining forces in an unapproved and ungoverned army they had no hope of possibly defeating had to be terrifying to them.  

But, barring Dini's involvement, really anyone doing the current run of DC animated DVD features would be a great choice.  They are doing some incredible things over there. The Manchester Black storyline itself would be great to see in live action.  Hell with that, make the damn Justice League movie animated.  I think with Simpsons entering it's 35th season, Family guy and it's multiple variants, Adult Swim, and how many other animated shows for adults, you could make a case to the general public that it's not just for kids simply because it's animated.  And you can do so much more without it looking cheesy as all get out like happens with live action.  

Superman's suit, iconic as it may be, never looks good in live action.

/nerd rant off
//don't worry, I'll give myself a wedgie later
 
2013-02-08 07:48:18 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Pulp fiction only had two storylines and two characters with actual story devoted to them (Bruce Willis and Travolta), every other character was a setpiece.


Dude, the entire story was about Samuel Jackson's redemption.

I didn't bother with the rest of your post because it was probably equally clueless.
 
2013-02-08 08:02:30 AM  

Shadowknight: fusillade762: Don't we sorta need a Wonder Woman movie first? And to make sure "Man of Steel" doesn't suck?

I don't think we do.  I mean, Marvel did it smart because it was something new, and (let's face facts), not many people knew who a lot of their main characters were.  Us geeks knew Thor, Loki, Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Nick Fury, but I think the vast majority of folks knew vaguely of Captain America and only remember Hulk thanks to the cheesy TV show.  Iron Man wasn't really on the public radar until the first movie turned into a big hit.



This is probably one of the greatest strengths that the Avengers movies had, since it was a B list characters, they had more creative freedom on how they worked the storylines, without needing to keep X characters fan base happy. If you have either of Marvel's big 2 (Spiderman and Wolervine) had been in Avengers, you would have studio execs pushing to make sure that they were center character in the film. This was something that hurt X 1 & 3, while X2 just ran with it.

How apeshiat will Batman fans go, if Batman doesn't come off as the main character in a Justice league movie? More to ther point, how worried will studio execs be of that possibility?
 
2013-02-08 08:11:46 AM  

Shadowknight: Though I really wish that they'd let Paul Dini have the script, or at the very least adapt the first season of Justice League Unlimited into a series of movies. In my opinion, that's the best treatment DC's heavy hitters AND C-Listers have ever received.


That's what i don't get. WB has a fairly decent-to-awesome library of Justice League stories from their animated shows. How hard can it actually be to use that as a template.

So, don't do the Avengers-here's-the-origin-story-movie-for-various-characters-building -up-to-a-combined-movie thing. The very first scene of the Justice League movie should be all of the heroes announcing combining their efforts in the Watchtower. From that point on you can siphon all sorts of movies by focusing on every A, B, C and D list hero DC has using the Watchtower as a common thread.

There were so many good concepts in there.The world's human governments becoming more and more concerned with the collection of power lording over them. The underlying disdain for the lesser-powered heroes who were only used for crowd control and mopping up. The schism between talented human heroes and "gifted" heroes. What do you do with heroes who are past their prime?
 
2013-02-08 08:15:22 AM  
Form of an Ice Hole!

/got nothing.
 
2013-02-08 08:19:13 AM  
The wonder twins?

But Power Girl isn't in the Justice League
 
2013-02-08 08:24:10 AM  

overfienduglar: This is probably one of the greatest strengths that the Avengers movies had, since it was a B list characters, they had more creative freedom on how they worked the storylines, without needing to keep X characters fan base happy. If you have either of Marvel's big 2 (Spiderman and Wolervine) had been in Avengers, you would have studio execs pushing to make sure that they were center character in the film. This was something that hurt X 1 & 3, while X2 just ran with it.

How apeshiat will Batman fans go, if Batman doesn't come off as the main character in a Justice league movie? More to ther point, how worried will studio execs be of that possibility?


Well, in most versions of Justice League storylines, Batman is pretty central.  He's the, dare I say, HUMAN component.  He's the guy we wish we were, just a normal guy who pushed himself past limits until he can stand toe-to-toe with gods.  

That said, I agree with what you're saying.  Whedon had a lot of room to play, as did Favro and the rest, simply because they were only known to the geeks in the world.  But I think Superman and Batman, being the most established both here in the real world and as characters in their own universe, they would almost have to be the two biggest.  And it doesn't hurt that they are counterpoint to each other too.  Superman is big, public, and is a moral absolute.  He's the Big Blue Boy Scout.  Batman has his moral absolutes of no killing and no guns, but beyond that anything else is game.  He beats the snot out of people he vastly outclasses, sneaks in and breaks the law to find out what he needs, and has no qualms about planning for and acquiring devices needed to take out every member of his own team.  They are the opposite spectrum of the same side.

Maybe instead of jumping head first into a Justice League movie, maybe start it out with an adaptation of "World's Finest."  Show Superman and Batman doing their own things in their own cities (no origin stories needed, damn it) and having reason to meet up.  Maybe a direct translation of the Joker/Luthor team up (and it would give them a reason to finally show Luthor as more than a real estate conman, like they always do in live action) that happened in the animated series.  Either way, it would establish them as power hitters in the universe, with subtle hints about other heroes existing in the world in other places (mention of that "fast talking smart ass in Central City" or something).  Then come into the Justice League movie, they are already in place as anchor pieces with their interpersonal drama out of the way, and able to concentrate on the rest of the ensemble.  And if it proves profitable, expand out in a series of prequel origin stories for each character.
 
2013-02-08 08:27:29 AM  

snowshovel: That's what i don't get. WB has a fairly decent-to-awesome library of Justice League stories from their animated shows. How hard can it actually be to use that as a template.


Exactly.  Their books got a little confusing, but anything from the Timm/Dini universe is ready made.

snowshovel: What do you do with heroes who are past their prime?


I loved me the Wildcat/Black Canary interactions.
 
2013-02-08 08:33:51 AM  
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2013-02-08 08:43:46 AM  
If DC really wants to up the ante, they need to get smart, and big with their ideas.  I don't mean comic book big, but IDEA big.

So, you have the regular world.  Muggers and pedophiles and politicians.  There's an alien, who can stop a mugger, but no matter how fast he is, he can't stop them all.  What are the consequences of that on petty crime?  Do they organize, or go underground?  Do police get complacent, hoping Superman will show up and do the job for them?  How does the government change it's domestic policy knowing that Superman is based in the US?  How does China react?  Superman drives the world towards good, but it's an uneven drive.

There's a vigilante, justice-based, who has no mercy for those who harm others.  He's smart, and can track down any criminal better than anyone.  How does his actions and touch influence the secret agencies around the world?  Sure, he could jump in and rescue hostages in Tehran, but he's smart enough and connected enough to know who was behind the kidnapping.  Who does he tell?  Batman seeks out and destroys evil in its domain, but that domain is everywhere.  He could take out entire criminal organizations, but knows that certain balance must be maintained to avoid destructive power struggles.  He prioritizes crime by his perception of its danger.

And then there's the goddess out of time, the literal diplomat of the ancient gods to modern man.  She fits nowhere, but can go anywhere, as she has no political ties.  Have her costume be smart and take on elements of the people she is currently fighting for, or possibly take on international elements, culture symbols instead of flags.  Make her the world's public Ambassador.  How would the world change with the paladin of the gods watching negotiations?  When the UN convened to discuss international human trafficking, how would the discussions go with Wonder Woman standing on the stage?

And then you throw in your bad guy who threatens these areas, who can derail Superman's inspiration of good, thwart Batman in the domains of crime, and destabilize Wonder Woman's influence around the world.  It doesn't have to be an alien or a mythical monster as the big bad.  The source of the problem should be internal to humanity, but have consequences of mythical monsters or unknown threats.  They beat the threats, but all that does is reveal that the problem is not so easily identified or centralized.

And don't any of this with a word of exposition.
 
2013-02-08 08:55:56 AM  
Darth_Lukecash:  No. You don't need any set up movies at all. Seven Samurai, Lord of the Rings, Dirty Dozen, Oceans 11 all had groups of different characters interacting. Pulp Fictions had multiple storylines with multiple characters.

In the broad sense I agree with you, we don't *need* set-up movies for a well-done ensemble movie.

But the odds of a  Kurosawa working on the JLA film strikes me as fairly slim.
 
2013-02-08 08:56:52 AM  
The JLA movie will never get made because there is not one guiding editorial hand who has an abiding
understanding of the comics dictating the pace of the movies.

Everything at Warner Brothers has to go through so many management layers that the product will
inevitably get watered down.
 
2013-02-08 09:11:04 AM  

2wolves: I thought those twins were under WW's breast plate?


Form of bath water.
 
2013-02-08 09:15:05 AM  
Sorry Warner Bros.  It's a simple matter of supply and demand and you are far too late to this party.

Disney/Marvel is the king of the iconic entertainment world and there's no parking lot on the earth big enough to bury them under.  By the time the new Lucasfilms properties and Marvel's "Phase 2" (not to mention new content from Pixar, Disney Animation, The Muppets, etc.) hit the theaters you'll be sacrificing babies and virgins to raise Nolan's credibility and Ledger's corpse from the dead just to distract the movie-going public from Disney's onslaught for a few minutes.

Just let it go, Warner.  You've proven, beyond a shadow of any doubt, your movie studio execs have not one original creative thinker among your sea of ass-kissing, focus-grouping, think-tanking, demographic-studying, market-researching suits.  Any attempt to parrot Disney/Marvel Studio's cinematic achievements will be viewed as exactly that and with the current surplus of comic book themed movies flooding our theaters, you will bear the brunt of the negative public fallout.  Take your laurels for Nolan's work on the Batman character and learn the lessons from Green Lantern, your attempts to start a Wonder Woman movie/TV show, and what will undoubtedly be the failure of Man of Steel.

Just let it go, Warners.  Let. It. Go.

And while I'm dreaming, I'd like a frickin transporter please...
 
2013-02-08 09:23:47 AM  
Actually, instead of some huge world shattering McGuffin like the Avengers, the best thing they could do might be "just another day in the Watchtower".

Sure have an alien invasion, some crazy supervillain shiat or a natural disaster, but the story is really just these different characters all working side by side every day. This is normality for them.

Warner Bros would never allow it.
 
2013-02-08 09:27:48 AM  

overfienduglar: ...
How apeshiat will Batman fans go, if Batman doesn't come off as the main character in a Justice league movie? More to ther point, how worried will studio execs be of that possibility?


Speaking as a Batman fan, not at all. But I am pretty pissed off that Batman was barely a character in his own recent run of movies, that kind of sucked.
 
2013-02-08 09:36:53 AM  

unlikely: Full half the US wouldn't be able to get past the idea of a woman doing something besides making sandwiches.




I disagree, ( maybe an 8th of the US believes that, and most of them are old and won't be around much longer...)
Still, this comment made me laugh.
 
2013-02-08 09:54:52 AM  
Why not just do Kingdom Come?  I think it's a perfectly good movie for how humans would deal with super powered beings, being scared of all of them and wanting to get rid of them, no matter how 'good' they are.
 
2013-02-08 09:56:55 AM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: Actually, instead of some huge world shattering McGuffin like the Avengers, the best thing they could do might be "just another day in the Watchtower".

Sure have an alien invasion, some crazy supervillain shiat or a natural disaster, but the story is really just these different characters all working side by side every day. This is normality for them.

Warner Bros would never allow it.


Actually, that's not a bad idea. You could even have the heroes telling tales about their adventures in the universe. Green Lantern and Superman can talk about fighting evil on other planets. Wonder Woman can talk about fighting a Greek god. Batman can just sit there or speak about his back being broken. Manhunter could talk about cases he worked on as a detective. Flash can be the comedy part of the group. Aquaman can actually tell tales of the evils of the deep. Things that Atlantis had to deal with.
 
2013-02-08 10:01:57 AM  

Mugato: Dude, the entire story was about Samuel Jackson's redemption.


That's kind of like saying Grease was a story about Vi helping a young beauty-school student, but sure, you roll with those ridiculously large-scale imaginary plot restructures if it makes you happy.
 
2013-02-08 10:07:44 AM  

DaWormyPimpsta: [snip]


They already made Watchmen.
 
2013-02-08 10:45:07 AM  

Shadowknight: Maybe instead of jumping head first into a Justice League movie, maybe start it out with an adaptation of "World's Finest." Show Superman and Batman doing their own things in their own cities (no origin stories needed, damn it) and having reason to meet up. Maybe a direct translation of the Joker/Luthor team up (and it would give them a reason to finally show Luthor as more than a real estate conman, like they always do in live action) that happened in the animated series. Either way, it would establish them as power hitters in the universe, with subtle hints about other heroes existing in the world in other places (mention of that "fast talking smart ass in Central City" or something). Then come into the Justice League movie, they are already in place as anchor pieces with their interpersonal drama out of the way, and able to concentrate on the rest of the ensemble. And if it proves profitable, expand out in a series of prequel origin stories for each character.


This makes a LOT of sense. Batman / Superman is one of the strongest contrasting duos in comics, especially since you can work in a lot of the dynamic of social commentary that the two characters represent. Batman and Superman are iconic of characters as they represent attitudes of moral certainty. Contrasting those attitudes and showing how they can compliment each other rather than oppose could produce a lot of good film.

Not to mention it would be easier to develop the character for the two on the screen rather than pulling in a large cast or going through the travesty of 'origin stories' that we've been through hundreds of times.

Plus, you'd have a lot to play with between Luthor and the Joker; some of my favorite scenes in all of the animated universe was the interplay between the two.

And you can add subtle hints about possible future projects by doing name drops and references and see how the audience reacts.


I don't want to leave Wonder Woman out, but I don't think there are a lot of writers that can handle her. Too many overplay the whole 'Female on a Pedestal' goddess aspect, and others play her too much as background wallpaper. If I had my druthers, I would play up her confusion-in that she comes from (essentially) a Utopia and can't seem to grasp why 'normals' act like the Greek gods of old [torturous and evil].

Plus I'm not sure she has any villains that could stand up to (or collaborate with) Luthor and the Joker. Unless you bring someone like Hades into the mix.

Luthor: All right missy! You're going to be dead! Do you hear me? Dead!
Harley: Blah blah blah... EEP! Look at that cute hitchiker!
Joker: YOO HOO!
[Screech of tires]
Luthor: Oof!
[Door opens]
Joker: Lexy old pal! Have I got a deal for you...!
 
2013-02-08 10:45:45 AM  
Sorry, but the only Justice League I'm into is JL8, formerly Little league. Best version of the group ever.
 
2013-02-08 11:15:03 AM  

fusillade762: Don't we sorta need a Wonder Woman movie first? And to make sure "Man of Steel" doesn't suck?


We don't need a Wonder Woman movie, or another Smallville centered Superman movie, or a rebooted Batman, or a Martian Manhunter movie, or anything else.

The core characters in the JLA are well known popular culture staples, and there's no need to go through years of creaky origin story movies (where you might end up with another Green Lantern debacle).  The movie can start with a fully functioning JLA and hit the ground running.  Follow this up with individual movies based on breakout characters.

As for a storyline, I'm not as familiar with the DC universe as I am with Marvel, but the alternate earth destroyed in a nuclear war storyline might be interesting, or the other alternate earth where the JLA are supervillians.
 
2013-02-08 11:22:23 AM  

Great_Milenko: As for a storyline, I'm not as familiar with the DC universe as I am with Marvel, but the alternate earth destroyed in a nuclear war storyline might be interesting, or the other alternate earth where the JLA are supervillians


I think that's The Crime Syndicate of America (Earth 3). They did a great job with them on the JLU.
 
2013-02-08 12:29:09 PM  
Screw it. The JLA is just too goofy to work in the way WB would like (Serious and epic), and they're just not smart enough to make a JLA movie with some wit and fun, like Avengers.

At this point, I think WB and DC would be better off just going back to the Silver Age versions of all their characters and making movies that are straight-up camp.
 
2013-02-08 12:30:20 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: unlikely: There will never be a Wonder Woman movie. Period. You can't make a Wonder Woman movie. Full half the US wouldn't be able to get past the idea of a woman doing something besides making sandwiches. Suspension of disbelief would break with the first action scene. The idea that a woman can be a superhero is just not going to work for a mainstream film audience.

Eh, Catwoman, Storm, Hit Girl, Mystique, etc... kinda disprove that. Granted, they didn't have their own movies, but their popularity shows that the public does approve of female superheroes.

That said, Wonder Woman is utterly bland and uncompelling.


Hawk Girl and her brand of ass whooping might be compelling, esp if can ales tries live action
 
2013-02-08 12:52:34 PM  

Mugato: unlikely: There will never be a Wonder Woman movie. Period. You can't make a Wonder Woman movie. Full half the US wouldn't be able to get past the idea of a woman doing something besides making sandwiches. Suspension of disbelief would break with the first action scene. The idea that a woman can be a superhero is just not going to work for a mainstream film audience.

Beatrix Kiddo, Laura Croft and Milla Jovovich  would like a word with you.

Wonder Woman can't work as a movie because she's a stupid farking character. An Amazon who wears American flag underwear and carries a lasso that makes people tell the truth and bracelets that deflect bullets. Oh, and she flies an invisible jet. She's like a Mad Libs of super heroes.


And her Rogues? Hades? Giganta? Cheetah? She has the lamest foes this side of Aquaman . Flash has lame enemies but at least they are quirky and weird.
 
2013-02-08 01:21:57 PM  

Confabulat: Well that's not surprising. WB hasn't shown any evidence they understand how to handle a comic book property. Nolan's Batman slipped under their radar when it first came out so it never occurred to them to fix it.


No, it didn't slip under them; Nolan gave them an ultimatium: "Let me make MY Batman movie, or I walk away."  DC blinked, needing cash from one of their superhero franchises and the fact Marvel was gaining.
 
2013-02-08 01:32:02 PM  
Wonder Twins?

Only if they get her to reprise the role.
www.smallvilleph.com

/or not. Like her better as Claudia in W13 anyways.
 
2013-02-08 02:41:05 PM  

Rwa2play: Confabulat: Well that's not surprising. WB hasn't shown any evidence they understand how to handle a comic book property. Nolan's Batman slipped under their radar when it first came out so it never occurred to them to fix it.

No, it didn't slip under them; Nolan gave them an ultimatium: "Let me make MY Batman movie, or I walk away."  DC blinked, needing cash from one of their superhero franchises and the fact Marvel was gaining.


My problem with Nolan is that by the third movie, he had turned "Nolan's Batman" into A) a mouthpiece for his convoluted and contradictory personal musing on the nature of justice or B) A copy-paste script Frakenstein of several different Batman comic storylines.

Nolan's Batman is therefore not Batman.
 
2013-02-08 04:29:50 PM  
I can understand DC not wanting to copy Marvel's vision, but it resulted in the third highest grossing movie of all time. Doing a reverse of that just to be different is a terrible idea. If the idiots would have made Joss Whedon's Wonder Woman movie years ago they are the ones who would have had a leg up on Marvel. If they made a better Green Lantern move that would have helped as well.There also needs to be a Flash movie. I understand the difficulties in making such a movie given his Rogue's Gallery. If it were realistic the movie would be over in the blink of an eye. That's why the Big Bad has to be the Dark Flash. Just give up on it for now.
 
2013-02-08 04:39:45 PM  

imashark: A) a mouthpiece for his convoluted and contradictory personal musing on the nature of justice or B) A copy-paste script Frakenstein of several different Batman comic storylines.


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I got elements of No Man's Land, Knightfall, and maybe Officer Down out of that movie.
 
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