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(The Atlantic)   The problem with introverted kids these days is that they are introverted   (theatlantic.com) divider line 26
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2013-02-08 01:39:59 AM  
10 votes:
I am always amazed in these threads how many farkers were the smartest kids in the class
2013-02-08 01:37:06 AM  
5 votes:
Why the hell would you want to turn kids upside down to begin with?
2013-02-08 03:33:20 AM  
3 votes:
You'll all need to learn to dress nicely for job interviews at some point in your life. Therefore, I'm going to make part of your English grade dependent on clothing.
2013-02-08 01:17:40 AM  
3 votes:

Transubstantive: I get it, but introversion really is a problem if you want to succeed emotionally and professionally in our culture.  Just take a look at Reddit's foreveralone subreddit to see how these kind of people can end up.


submitting things they see three days later on fark?
2013-02-08 02:05:59 AM  
2 votes:
Let's homogenize! If a kid is introverted, thoughtful, slower to answer, more careful in his/her responses, let's get rid of that nonsense with a quickness. Nothing great in our foundation was ever built on that. Individuality is for communists. No great person in history has spent hours or days even in quiet contemplation or taken time to consider the proper response. Let's spit that stuff out as fast as we can because faster is better!
2013-02-08 01:59:26 AM  
2 votes:

KrispyKritter: Why the hell would you want to turn kids upside down to begin with?



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2013-02-08 01:54:23 AM  
2 votes:
Extroverting should require a license ensuring the bearer is capable of public interaction without reflexively spewing douche juice everywhere. Then cheeseballs like the lady who wrote this article for would be legally obligated to always remain very very quiet and life would be so nice.
2013-02-08 01:16:52 AM  
2 votes:
I get it, but introversion really is a problem if you want to succeed emotionally and professionally in our culture.  Just take a look at Reddit's foreveralone subreddit to see how these kind of people can end up.
2013-02-08 10:18:38 AM  
1 votes:
I'm not an introvert.  I just find 99.9999% of the things people talk about to be absolutely boring and useless.
2013-02-08 07:36:47 AM  
1 votes:
And lefties need to learn to write with their right hand or we'll dock their grades too.

/sarcsm
2013-02-08 07:30:49 AM  
1 votes:

cptjeff: Class participation grades are not dependent on loudness or quantity of comments.


That's exactly what they were when I was in school. A requirement that you make a comment or ask a question in every class session, even if you had absolutely nothing of substance to say. I am an introvert. That doesn't mean I am incapable of participation, or that I fear speaking up and having a debate. It only means that I find being around other people takes a lot of energy out of me, and that I don't open my mouth just to hear myself talk like the vaunted extroverts.

Lenny_da_Hog: It takes just a second to prompt a team member's input. It takes forever to get a roomful of extroverts to shut their mouths and stop competing for attention.


This is why I (engineer) dread any meeting that involves a lot of sales people. They never shut up, but they never actually say anything either.

MayoSlather: And they always feel they need to mention it. I'd argue anyone can work hard and get good grades, but it takes a lot more skill to figure out what the bare minimum of work can be done to get a passing grade. You know how many A's on finals I had to pull out my ass just to pass with C-? It's not easy being this lazy.


Sounds similar to my strategy in engineering school. I did the absolute minimum outside of class work required to graduate. It wasn't that I was opposed to learning. I just wasn't interested in being that nerd who studied 24/7 either. People call it slacking. I call it attaining maximum efficiency.

Serious Black: I had the lowest final exam score of anyone who got an A in the course. I was so proud of myself that day.


I had a class in my last semester in which I figured out how many questions I had to answer correctly on the final and still get an A for the semester, and once I knew I had that in the bank I just left the rest of the test blank and left.

Being an introvert is most definitely not seen as a negative in my profession. I have successfully avoided all manner of personality testing (and was asked not to attend future 'trainings' from the HR department) because I used my ability to communicate to tell them what a farking waste of my time it is to have me draw pictures of my goals rather than actually do the work that brings in revenue and that their job largely consists of creating preschool type busywork that doesn't justify their salaries. Between that and not giving the expected answer regarding teaching someone to be a leader, I'm generally not liked by HR. The upper management of our technical division is a different story, so I've been pretty successful. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I work for a company where what you say is far more important than how often you say it, and it is expected that you say what needs to be said, not what people want to hear. Blowing sunshine is not considered a positive attribute here.
2013-02-08 06:50:56 AM  
1 votes:

MayoSlather: Mazzic518: Hermit Tard: I am always amazed in these threads how many farkers were the smartest kids in the class

God damned MENSA meeting in here

And they always feel they need to mention it. I'd argue anyone can work hard and get good grades, but it takes a lot more skill to figure out what the bare minimum of work can be done to get a passing grade. You know how many A's on finals I had to pull out my ass just to pass with C-? It's not easy being this lazy.


I was the opposite. I would crush the first few exams and papers in a class and then figure out what was the bare minimum I could do to keep the A. My most virtuoso performance at this was physics my sophomore year of undergrad. We were graded on three tests and a final exam. I got high A's on the first two and a low A on the third. Figured out I could get an A for the semester with a B-, and I hit that mark perfectly! I had the lowest final exam score of anyone who got an A in the course. I was so proud of myself that day.
2013-02-08 06:39:39 AM  
1 votes:

Mazzic518: Hermit Tard: I am always amazed in these threads how many farkers were the smartest kids in the class

God damned MENSA meeting in here


And they always feel they need to mention it. I'd argue anyone can work hard and get good grades, but it takes a lot more skill to figure out what the bare minimum of work can be done to get a passing grade. You know how many A's on finals I had to pull out my ass just to pass with C-? It's not easy being this lazy.
2013-02-08 05:43:15 AM  
1 votes:

Hermit Tard: I am always amazed in these threads how many farkers were the smartest kids in the class


Very few say "I was the most delusional kid in class". It is at least as important an achievement.
2013-02-08 04:29:01 AM  
1 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: No, they aren't. As I mentioned, industry seeks out introverts and doesn't expect those people to be attention whores for sixty years, unless they're in PR, sales, or marketing.


Ever have to take part in a meeting? That's the skill it's teaching.

Lenny_da_Hog: I'm rock-solid introvert on the scale. I do just fine giving lectures and leading project meetings, but when I'm not leading, I'm quiet until and unless my input is required. Competing for attention is not a required job skill.


This isn't about competing for attention- this is about learning how to not sound like an idiot when your input is required.

Lenny_da_Hog: You don't know what you're talking about. Do you think introverts are *incapable* of speaking publicly? That social aversion disorder is the same as introversion? Do you even know what an introvert is?


I think everybody is incapable of speaking intelligently in a public setting without practice making arguments out loud. I'm an introvert. I'm also much more comfortable in meetings and much more capable in social settings in general as a result of teachers who required class engagement. I've take that to the point of being much more comfortable than other fairly accomplished people I was with at the time in speaking and presenting a case in meetings with US Representatives and Senators.

You need to learn how to make the case for your argument out loud, and there isn't any way to do that besides actually doing it. Introvert or not, you need to learn how to do that.

Class participation grades are not dependent on loudness or quantity of comments. Unless the teacher is incompetent, class participation grades are based on how well you make your case, not how often you make your case. This really isn't the evil you seem to think it is.
2013-02-08 04:07:20 AM  
1 votes:

cptjeff: Lenny_da_Hog: Her introverted students will be *able* to compete with people who love attention, they'll just be more stressed out by it for an entire semester/year for no good reason.

This is where you're wrong. There is a pretty damn good reason- so they can learn how to argue their point in a group context, and do it well. That's not something that you just magically know how to do with no practice whatsoever. Even if you know the subject matter, you're not going to be very successful in that corporate job if you come across as a bumbling moron who can't string two words together in a meeting.


You don't know what you're talking about. Do you think introverts are *incapable* of speaking publicly? That social aversion disorder is the same as introversion? Do you even know what an introvert is?
2013-02-08 03:57:17 AM  
1 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: Her introverted students will be *able* to compete with people who love attention, they'll just be more stressed out by it for an entire semester/year for no good reason.


This is where you're wrong. There is a pretty damn good reason- so they can learn how to argue their point in a group context, and do it well. That's not something that you just magically know how to do with no practice whatsoever. Even if you know the subject matter, you're not going to be very successful in that corporate job if you come across as a bumbling moron who can't string two words together in a meeting.
2013-02-08 03:54:23 AM  
1 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: cptjeff: Lenny_da_Hog: If this teacher were teaching public speech or the like, I could see her point.

She's taking it upon herself as an ENGLISH teacher to grade on social interaction, just because she thinks the students might need it at some point. That shouldn't be her concern.

Oh, get over yourself, life skills aren't confined to any one class. Teaching students to be full and well rounded individuals is hardly some great evil. Learning argumentation and how to defend an argument most certainly IS an element of english class, and doing using those skills in oral form is a rather necessary skill in life.

I missed where it was a debate class.

English is required for continued education. Debate isn't. Neither is public speech or fashion. A participation component is just a competition for attention whores, and ignores good teaching principles that say, "different students learn the same content differently."


My english classes taught drama as well as literature and asked for analysis in many different forms, including oral. Speaking to other people and arguing your point is a fundamental part of human life, regardless of subject. Classes, especially those in humanities, are intended to teach skills as well as subject matter, and this is a fairly basic life skill. Don't like it? Tough. They're gonna have to do it for the next 60 years anyway.
2013-02-08 02:56:51 AM  
1 votes:

Serious Black: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Introverts just want to be left alone. When something is worth saying, we say it.

The problem in situations like this teacher is talking about is that extroverts often monopolize time to say things because that's the way that they form coherent thoughts. It can be hard for an introvert to put together a coherent thought in that kind of environment when they're constantly getting new information to synthesize into the whole.


Then we make it socially acceptable to smack the loud ones.

/If you need me, I'll be in my Unabomber-style shack
2013-02-08 02:52:39 AM  
1 votes:

Xexi: fisker: These are the kind of kids that shoot up schools, right?

I hope you're joking; the inter webs are notorious for hiding sarcasm in forum threads.

/INTJ


I love threads in fark where people start pulling out personality types, INTP and INTJ are hilariously overrepresented here. I guess internet forums late at night are an INTx flystrip. Which, well, fits.

/INTP
2013-02-08 02:47:58 AM  
1 votes:
article is not asinine, its the truth.  *preaching coming up* ->  The author is reiterating that parents are responsible for their kids' behavior.  Tons and tons of parents still come up short, so these kinds of articles must be written.  If we dont like taking extra time to help our quiet children, then they are more likely be upset and they just do not yet know how to understand why people dont like their introvert behavior.  Humans are biased against introverts, i think that is a timeless truth.  An introvert will be ignored and then the endless mixed emotions surging through their brain will confuse the living shiat out of them until they breakdown.  The breakdown WOULD NOT happen if they were adequately helped to deal wid it.  Yes, adequate help for an introvert means more work for the parents, probably lots more work.  I assume these certain parents think its not worth the extra time?  That is just idiotic because its the needs of the offspring of their own womb.  OK, ignore your dogs needs, its a frickin dog, who cares if he has fleas?  But for these certain parents to not realize their own flesh and blood little learners are worth endless help to address their societal shortcomings is preposterous.  Its totally natural to hate on the quiet kids and say theyre trying to be difficult and so deserve to be ignored or punished.  So at the point the difficult YET honorable thing to do is deny the natural bias and make way more time in the schedule to help them, its quite simple to me.
2013-02-08 02:35:57 AM  
1 votes:
These are the kind of kids that shoot up schools, right?
2013-02-08 02:28:45 AM  
1 votes:

Need_MindBleach: How long until Introversion shows up on the DSM?


Introversion is not a mental disorder, so never.
2013-02-08 02:26:10 AM  
1 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: Abacus9: Ivo Shandor: Extroverts need to learn to shut the hell up unless they have something worth saying.

^

why?  in what country?  are u gay?

the only decent people worth talking to are extroverts.  the introverts i wanna find a gun and shoot them all with guano.  and I'M an introvert.  so says my parents (social anxiety disorder)


You are obviously a disturbed individual if it enrages you that some people prefer to keep to themselves.
2013-02-08 01:22:08 AM  
1 votes:
They gave all the extroverted kids Ritalin and such because "they have ADHD". Teachers can't deal with active kids anymore. If they don't sit down and shut up, there has to be something wrong with them!

Ohhhh no, now all the kids are sitting down and shutting up!
2013-02-08 01:21:36 AM  
1 votes:
Maybe I still don't want to talk to you.
 
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