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2013-02-07 09:10:22 PM  
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2013-02-07 09:10:46 PM  

skylabdown: Once I heard someone make this point:  (I'm paraphrasing)

Is there anything more illegitimate than having one's lifestyle regulated by those who have no idea what that lifestyle is about?  How just is it to have those ignorant of an issue make decisions limiting the rights of those with absolute knowledge of an issue?

One recent example is the recent gun-grabber movement populated by those "against" the 2nd ammendment who don't even know the basic nomenclature.  They don't understand the difference between a clip and a magazine.  They have never fired a weapon before.  They think guns are "scary."  Yet, these folks are the ones trying to limit the rights of folks who have been brought up with guns being as ubiquitous as any other tool in the garage.

Hunters also deal with this problem.  Folks who have never hunted, never killed what they eat... People who think meat comes wrapped in styrofoam and plastic wrap... people who have never dirtied their own hands with the blood of animals they eat every day.  THESE people are the ones who feel qualified to tell hunters what is right and what is wrong.

Much like the author of this article.


This is and probably will remain the most correct and sensible statement in this entire thread.
 
2013-02-07 09:10:56 PM  

nigeman: I know this is a touchy subject but here is my 2 cents.

Hunters love the kill. The idea of taking another life, the final kicking of the animal is all part of the charm, otherwise why would they do it? Getting food isn't the answer. It's the fun of it.

Also I think hunters claiming that video games makes people violent is absurd.

that's all folks


... and yet, if you're not a vegetarian you're depending on other people to do your dirty work for you, just executing animals in an assembly line process so you can have your steak.

Hunters earn it. The animals have a far chance to get away. Thousands upon thousands of hunters come up empty every year. They catch, clean, butcher, and consume their kills. Their food didn't come from the freezer section of the supermarket.
 
2013-02-07 09:10:57 PM  

Government Fromage: I get the feeling a lot of people think this -- that huntersjust go out in the woods and blast away at deer or anything else that happens across their scope.


sadly i find a lot of supposed "hunters" do a lot to make it seem that way. Especially in the gun threads, when they claim they need AR-15s to kill a dozen or so "varmints" at a time. for those of us who hunt, the exterminators are a very frustrating group.
 
2013-02-07 09:11:30 PM  
As a 41 year old who hunted from the age of 8 to the age of 22 I say, it depends.   I grew up low middle class and at times would have qualified as poor.    Now I would feel bad even running over a squirrel by accident.     But back then I had a combination of angry male teenage hormones and immature brain development and I expressed my frustrations with violence though hunting.  Then in my early teens I felt bad about killing an animal that we would not eat, and I then just hunted for meat.  After I made enough money to satisfy all my food needs, I could not hunt if it wasn't for meat.   This was a the age of 17.  After getting my first girlfriend at 21, who had a serious animal rights agenda, it was harder to hunt than ever.  Essentially, I was converted in a way, but remained an athiest until I was 32.
So IMHO, hunting is evidence of human evolution in spirit.  In the future most people will hate it and think of anyone who kills an animal as a bad person.   Maybe at that point, we can see a society with less violence than now.
 
2013-02-07 09:11:38 PM  
I enjoy hunting for the sake of being in the woods and getting food for my family.  I don't enjoy the idea of killing, but all edible things I eat once had lived, even if it was vegetation.  Today I killed a minnow in the attempt to catch a larger fish (went ice fishing without any luck).  To kill and waste is murder, to kill for eating is necessary and who can really say that it isn't some animals' purpose is to lay down their lives so others live.  The cycle will carry on.  I say PETA members should continue their argument in front of wild carnivores.

/I could go for some venison right now.
//I did enjoy the taste of dead chicken, dead potatoes, and dead corn tonight
///my breakfast tomorrow will have dead wheat product (biscuit) & dead pig liquid (pork gravy) and well mixed destroyed unfertilized chicken embryos (scrambled eggs)
 
2013-02-07 09:12:14 PM  
ajgeek:
Actually, yes I did. But I'd wager that the polar bear isn't going to freeze to the ice or the wolf's pelt isn't going to be harvested once the nuisance is dead.

Why would they not harvest the wolfs pelt or head for mounting?
 
2013-02-07 09:13:31 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Hunters earn it. The animals have a far chance to get away. Thousands upon thousands of hunters come up empty every year. They catch, clean, butcher, and consume their kills. Their food didn't come from the freezer section of the supermarket.


i did this year. and i'm still kicking myself...

/new camp this year, still learning the area
//no excuse for hesitating on my one really good chance though :(
 
2013-02-07 09:14:06 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: You can't grill it until you kill it. That meat you ate for dinner didn't kill itself.


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2013-02-07 09:15:32 PM  

JDJoeE: Government Fromage: MyRandomName: ajgeek: Since the definition of murder means killing another human being, then technically no. However, killing anything that isn't going to be used in a functional way "food, clothing, tools" is BLOODY STUPID!

You think hunters just kill and leave the carcasses to rot?

I get the feeling a lot of people think this -- that huntersjust go out in the woods and blast away at deer or anything else that happens across their scope.

Perhaps they think everyone is some cartoonish trophy hunter who kills an animal just to add to their collection and just leaves the yummy bits to rot.


Akin to what I said above. Would you eat a wolf?
/If so why not a fat grain fed easy as hell to hunt dog?
 
2013-02-07 09:16:55 PM  
So does this mean vegetarians are cereal killers?
 
2013-02-07 09:17:22 PM  
And the angel of the Lord came unto me,
snatching me up from my
place of slumber,
and took me on high,
and higher still until we
moved in the spaces betwixt the air itself.
and he bore me unto a
vast farmland of our own midwest,
and as we descended cries of
impending doom rose from the soil.
one thousand, nay, a million
voices full of fear.
and terror possessed me then.
and I begged,

"Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?"
And the angel said unto me,
"These are the cries of the carrots,
the cries of the carrots.
You see, reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day
and to them it is the holocaust."
And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat
like the tears of one millions terrified brothers
and roared,
"Hear me now,
I have seen the light,
they have a consciousness,
they have a life,
they have a soul.
damn you!
let the rabbits wear glasses,
save our brothers...can I get an amen?
can I get a hallelujah? thank you, Jesus.

life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on...
this is necessary

it was daylight when you woke up in your ditch.
you looked up at your sky.
that made blue be your color.
you had your knife with you there too.
when you stood up there was goo all over your clothes.
your hands were sticky.
you wiped them on your grass,
so now your color was green.
oh Lord, why did everything always have
to keep changing like this?
you were already getting nervous again.
your head hurt and it rang when you stood up.
your head was almost empty.
it always hurt you when you woke up like this.
you crawled up out of your ditch unto your gravel road
and you began to walk
and waited for the rest of your mind to come back to you.
you could see the car parked far down the road
and you walked toward it.
if God is our father, you though,
then Satan must be our cousin.
why didn't anyone else understand these important things?
when you got to your car,
you tried all the doors,
but they were locked.
it was a red car and it was new.
there was an expensive leather camera case lying on the seat.
out across your field
you could see two tiny people walking by your woods.
you began to walk towards them.
now red was your color and of course,
those little people out there were yours too
 
2013-02-07 09:17:34 PM  

Land Ark: Don't be silly, if left unchecked, overpopulation would force many to be unable to sustain themselves and they will start to suffer and starve. Hunting is doing them a favor.

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They'll arrest you if you shoot shanty town residents, although one might argue you'd be doing them a favor too.
 
2013-02-07 09:21:06 PM  
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2013-02-07 09:21:15 PM  
Only if you are living this plot:

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2013-02-07 09:23:46 PM  
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2013-02-07 09:24:59 PM  
Pick you leeks in the spring.
Mark the trails of the venison.
Find the venison in the Autumn.
Harvest.
Eat seasoned venison.
 
2013-02-07 09:26:26 PM  
I grew up hunting but I really never see myself killing an animal unless it was about to kill me, someone else or if I was starving.

I don't mind the deer hunters mainly because there's an overpopulation in some parts.
It'd still be hard for me to kill one.

Although there is a squirrel that tries to get into my house I wouldn't mind slugging with a baseball bat.
 
2013-02-07 09:26:29 PM  

kim jong-un: Ego edo infantia cattus: nigeman: I know this is a touchy subject but here is my 2 cents.

Hunters love the kill. The idea of taking another life, the final kicking of the animal is all part of the charm, otherwise why would they do it? Getting food isn't the answer. It's the fun of it.

Also I think hunters claiming that video games makes people violent is absurd.

that's all folks

Your change is one penny.
Have a nice day.

I see you have it covered.  Except I think you can also add:  "I think anyone claiming that video games make people violent is absurd".


I hate taking the life of animals.  But I love how they taste.  If I could harvest venison like I harvest chives, I'd be quite happy.  Unfortunately, literally everything humans eat was once alive at some level, there is no getting around that.   Some people just have a line they have drawn based on cranial capacity and cuteness.


Wow, I didn't even see that they said "hunters claiming that video games..." My brain must have blown a logic fuse trying to read that.
 
2013-02-07 09:27:27 PM  
"Can hunters and animal advocates talk and listen together about their different ways of thinking through these issues?"

Maybe someplace, but it sure as hell isn't going to happen on Fark.
 
2013-02-07 09:27:35 PM  
Are hunters committing murder?

Sometimes, but it's not related to their hunting (usually).
 
2013-02-07 09:31:11 PM  
Sit down NPR, I have some bad news. The cows, pigs, chickens, and fish in the supermarket did not commit suicide.
 
2013-02-07 09:32:59 PM  
Are people who hit a squirrel in the road and drive off guilty of a hit and run? Leaving the scene of an accident?  "Manslaughter"?

Simply put, this is stupid and NPR has officially slipped to below TMZ on my "level of respect" spectrum...
 
2013-02-07 09:33:34 PM  

badhatharry: Sit down NPR, I have some bad news. The cows, pigs, chickens, and fish in the supermarket did not commit suicide.


at least the frogs get wheelchairs

well....don't they?

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2013-02-07 09:33:40 PM  

FuturePastNow: Deer don't have feelings. They're evil hellbeasts who like to run in front of me at night on the highway.


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Even on the interstate,  F.O.E.! ( ºДº)
 
2013-02-07 09:33:47 PM  
no

/I suspect I am not the only such post in this thread
 
2013-02-07 09:33:53 PM  

badhatharry: Sit down NPR, I have some bad news. The cows, pigs, chickens, and fish in the supermarket did not commit suicide.


That's covered in the piece.

The writer is wondering why people continue to kill animals themselves when they could go to the supermarket and buy all the cows, pigs, chickens and fish already dead and dressed for cooking.
 
2013-02-07 09:34:09 PM  
To me, murder means to kill something, whether it's human or a simple animal.

When we hunt animals, we shoot them with bullets or arrows, sometimes we club them to death. The end result is always a dead animal. I can't imagine of any fish who would willingly jump into a pan and present itself as "Ready to Fry!", nor can I think of any pig who would impale itself to a stick ready to be roasted. These animals, when they figure out that there's danger and you're out to get them, will run away or fight back. They won't willingly die for you, and to me, that means we are forcefully taking their lives, something that equates to murder.

Just think of it this way. What is the difference between a person who hunts and eats animals and a person who hunts and eats humans? You can say that hunting and killing animals is allowed by law, while hunting and eating humans is considered a crime in most societies. The end result is still the same, something or somebody dies to satisfy hunger.
 
2013-02-07 09:36:37 PM  

Lidocaine: Are people who hit a squirrel in the road and drive off guilty of a hit and run? Leaving the scene of an accident?  "Manslaughter"?

Simply put, this is stupid and NPR has officially slipped to below TMZ on my "level of respect" spectrum...


It's a commentary piece. It's not news. I think it asks a valid question...Why do people who don't need to kill animals continue to kill animals.

I agree that the use of the term "murder" is silly, but that's exactly the dialogue that the writer is trying to open.
 
2013-02-07 09:37:17 PM  

Big Man On Campus: Why would they not harvest the wolfs pelt or head for mounting?


I can't brain. Please do excuse me. They would harvest the wolf as well. Not sure how the meat is used, however.
 
2013-02-07 09:38:36 PM  

BronyMedic: It's not murder if you're intending to use as much of the animal as possible in tasty, tasty recipes. So remember that next time your city has a homeless problem.

/I'm not a...hah..."SERIAL" killer....


I've not seen any coyote recipes.
 
2013-02-07 09:38:50 PM  
clearly the answer is yes

And furthermore, just as clearly, eating hunted meat is cannibalism.
 
2013-02-07 09:39:26 PM  

MyRandomName: ajgeek: Since the definition of murder means killing another human being, then technically no. However, killing anything that isn't going to be used in a functional way "food, clothing, tools" is BLOODY STUPID!

You think hunters just kill and leave the carcasses to rot?


geos-nature.org
 
2013-02-07 09:39:47 PM  

KidneyStone: BronyMedic: It's not murder if you're intending to use as much of the animal as possible in tasty, tasty recipes. So remember that next time your city has a homeless problem.

/I'm not a...hah..."SERIAL" killer....

I've not seen any coyote recipes.


if it's anything like dog, which I'd guess it is, stick it in a stew and simmer for quite awhile.
 
2013-02-07 09:41:45 PM  

vernonFL: If you don't plan on eating it, yes.

If you don't plan on eating it then you are just killing for fun, and its murder.


I kill flies all the time. I guess that makes me a serial killer!
 
2013-02-07 09:41:52 PM  

lostcat: badhatharry: Sit down NPR, I have some bad news. The cows, pigs, chickens, and fish in the supermarket did not commit suicide.

That's covered in the piece.

The writer is wondering why people continue to kill animals themselves when they could go to the supermarket and buy all the cows, pigs, chickens and fish already dead and dressed for cooking.


That's one step away from only going to restaurants so you don't have to cook the dead animals yourself.
 
2013-02-07 09:42:52 PM  

nigeman: I know this is a touchy subject but here is my 2 cents.

Hunters love the kill. The idea of taking another life, the final kicking of the animal is all part of the charm, otherwise why would they do it? Getting food isn't the answer. It's the fun of it.

Also I think hunters claiming that video games makes people violent is absurd.

that's all folks


I shot a deer earlier this fall.  I had forgotten in the excitement of the hunt that my rifle was off by about 6" left at 100 yards, so what I aimed as a heart/lung shot ended up being a gut shot.  The deer ran about 100 yards before he fell, then took another four or five minutes to bleed out.  I cried as I stroked the deer's head, trying to make its death easier, if not less painful.  If you think it's all about the "final kicking of the animal" being "all the charm," you're incredibly, patently, and completely wrong.  I still feel bad about that shot, and wish like hell I hadn't taken it.  I would rather go without fresh venison than give an animal a lingering, painful death.
 
2013-02-07 09:42:58 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: No , but I would like to hunt the people who came up with the idea of hunting from the internet and helicopters


Why do you hate disabled people?
 
2013-02-07 09:44:15 PM  

badhatharry: lostcat: badhatharry: Sit down NPR, I have some bad news. The cows, pigs, chickens, and fish in the supermarket did not commit suicide.

That's covered in the piece.

The writer is wondering why people continue to kill animals themselves when they could go to the supermarket and buy all the cows, pigs, chickens and fish already dead and dressed for cooking.

That's one step away from only going to restaurants so you don't have to cook the dead animals yourself.


To be honest, I eat meat, but I used to never buy it at the store and bring it home because I always found handling raw meat a little disgusting. I love it when it's been well-cooked though, so I used to only eat meat when eating out (which I did, a lot).

Recently I've started experimenting with steak and grilling a bit, so I do pick up some meat every week.
 
2013-02-07 09:44:56 PM  

taurusowner: skylabdown: Once I heard someone make this point:  (I'm paraphrasing)

Is there anything more illegitimate than having one's lifestyle regulated by those who have no idea what that lifestyle is about?  How just is it to have those ignorant of an issue make decisions limiting the rights of those with absolute knowledge of an issue?

One recent example is the recent gun-grabber movement populated by those "against" the 2nd ammendment who don't even know the basic nomenclature.  They don't understand the difference between a clip and a magazine.  They have never fired a weapon before.  They think guns are "scary."  Yet, these folks are the ones trying to limit the rights of folks who have been brought up with guns being as ubiquitous as any other tool in the garage.

Hunters also deal with this problem.  Folks who have never hunted, never killed what they eat... People who think meat comes wrapped in styrofoam and plastic wrap... people who have never dirtied their own hands with the blood of animals they eat every day.  THESE people are the ones who feel qualified to tell hunters what is right and what is wrong.

Much like the author of this article.

This is and probably will remain the most correct and sensible statement in this entire thread.


Except it also applies to farking a six year-old.
 
2013-02-07 09:48:36 PM  

Maus III: Depends what animal you're hunting. Homo Sapiens? Yeah. Murder.


What if you eat them?
 
2013-02-07 09:49:53 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: taurusowner: skylabdown: Once I heard someone make this point:  (I'm paraphrasing)

Is there anything more illegitimate than having one's lifestyle regulated by those who have no idea what that lifestyle is about?  How just is it to have those ignorant of an issue make decisions limiting the rights of those with absolute knowledge of an issue?

One recent example is the recent gun-grabber movement populated by those "against" the 2nd ammendment who don't even know the basic nomenclature.  They don't understand the difference between a clip and a magazine.  They have never fired a weapon before.  They think guns are "scary."  Yet, these folks are the ones trying to limit the rights of folks who have been brought up with guns being as ubiquitous as any other tool in the garage.

Hunters also deal with this problem.  Folks who have never hunted, never killed what they eat... People who think meat comes wrapped in styrofoam and plastic wrap... people who have never dirtied their own hands with the blood of animals they eat every day.  THESE people are the ones who feel qualified to tell hunters what is right and what is wrong.

Much like the author of this article.

This is and probably will remain the most correct and sensible statement in this entire thread.

Except it also applies to farking a six year-old.


I was gonna say...It sounds exactly like what pedos say when defending their behavior online. "How can people who don't know the pure joy of a child's love tell us that we are wrong?!"
 
2013-02-07 09:49:56 PM  

lostcat: "Can hunters and animal advocates talk and listen together about their different ways of thinking through these issues?"


Why should they?
 
2013-02-07 09:50:29 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: lostcat: "Can hunters and animal advocates talk and listen together about their different ways of thinking through these issues?"

Why should they?


Quote from the article.
 
2013-02-07 09:52:14 PM  

KidneyStone: BronyMedic: It's not murder if you're intending to use as much of the animal as possible in tasty, tasty recipes. So remember that next time your city has a homeless problem.

/I'm not a...hah..."SERIAL" killer....

I've not seen any coyote recipes.


Killing coyotes is like killing rats.  Big big rats.
 
2013-02-07 09:54:09 PM  
Why are we singling out hunters?  If you hire somebody to kill an animal, how is that morally superior to killing it yourself?  If hunting is murder, then this is a holocaust.
 
2013-02-07 09:54:54 PM  

lostcat: BarkingUnicorn: lostcat: "Can hunters and animal advocates talk and listen together about their different ways of thinking through these issues?"

Why should they?

Quote from the article.


I know; I actually read the farking things.  That's why my comments are usually late.
 
2013-02-07 09:55:25 PM  
SUMMON DITTYBOPPER!


/NPR isn't even pretending anymore to be objective
 
2013-02-07 09:56:22 PM  

ajgeek: Since the definition of murder means killing another human being, then technically no. However, killing anything that isn't going to be used in a functional way "food, clothing, tools" is BLOODY STUPID!


What about killing animals that carry disease, or prey on your pets or livestock and threaten your livelihood?
 
2013-02-07 09:57:05 PM  

phrawgh: Only if two go out, but one returns.


www.virginmedia.com
 
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