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2013-02-08 10:48:59 AM  
So the Islanders' goalie corps consists of a guy who's under contract until 2021, but has spent the majority of the last four seasons on the disabled list; a an almost-40-year-old who hasn't played in a year; and a guy who was suspended by the team when he refused to report after being claimed on waivers. Could somebody please tell me how in the hell Garth Snow still has a job?
 
2013-02-08 11:45:01 AM  

puckrock2000: Garth Snow


You'd think a former goalie would be better at picking goalies.

I Think Wang has probably more to do with that than he should as well.
 
2013-02-08 12:48:40 PM  

mentula: one poster on that article claims that the islanders didn't need this trade to make the floor. so, jokes aside (unlikely, this being fark), some internet poster knows the islanders economics better than the islanders do?

SupplySideJesus:  Instead of making those beliefs known in a way that everyone could respect

there is no way to render his beliefs in any way that anyone could respect


I respect Tim's right to his beliefs, and his right to articulate them as he sees fit. I don't think anyone has a problem with that (of course your mileage may vary depending on where you lean politically). But when you use the Boston Bruins as a vehicle to advance that opinion, then refuse to talk about it when asked, then take your ball and go home, possibly to the detriment of your team... it leaves little doubt as to what you're all about.
 
2013-02-08 01:05:47 PM  

JohnHall: desertgeek: fatalvenom: Usually I think my Headlines are better, but ya got me on this one Subby.

Big question, this doesn't free up any Bruins cap-room for this season before the trade DL, does it?

Yes it does.

And +1 internets to  Subby

No it doesn't...

FTA:

Thomas' contract still counts towards the Bruins' salary cap obligations, since he is over the age of 35. Thomas announced last summer that he was taking a year off from hockey


It is just poorly worded in the article. Read the sentence immediately prior to the one you quoted. It should have read more like that it had still counted towards the cap. http://capgeek.com/bruins
 
2013-02-08 01:13:39 PM  

JohnHall: desertgeek: fatalvenom: Usually I think my Headlines are better, but ya got me on this one Subby.

Big question, this doesn't free up any Bruins cap-room for this season before the trade DL, does it?

Yes it does.

And +1 internets to  Subby

No it doesn't...

FTA:

Thomas' contract still counts towards the Bruins' salary cap obligations, since he is over the age of 35. Thomas announced last summer that he was taking a year off from hockey


Yes it does, the sentence was poorly written. What you quoted is referring to him being suspended, the contract counts no matter what as long as he is a member of the Bruins. Now that he is traded his cap hit is the problem of the Islanders. But neither team has to shell out a penny of the contract as long as he does not show up.
 
2013-02-08 01:18:50 PM  

JohnHall: desertgeek: fatalvenom: Usually I think my Headlines are better, but ya got me on this one Subby.

Big question, this doesn't free up any Bruins cap-room for this season before the trade DL, does it?

Yes it does.

And +1 internets to  Subby

No it doesn't...

FTA:

Thomas' contract still counts towards the Bruins' salary cap obligations, since he is over the age of 35. Thomas announced last summer that he was taking a year off from hockey


Think of it this way: When Team A trades a player to Team B, Team B accepts all obligations and costs of the player's contract  unless Team A agrees to pay no greater than 50% of the player's contract which would be reflected on the cap hit as well, if I understand things correctly.

Because this trade was all about cap space and nothing more, Boston isn't taking any of Thomas' remaining contract. He was suspended without pay by the Bruins for not reporting to the team. He will be suspended without pay by the Isles for not reporting. Neither side loses any money in this. But suspended players are still counted on the team's salary cap.
 
2013-02-08 01:31:39 PM  

desertgeek: Because this trade was all about cap space and nothing more, Boston isn't taking any of Thomas' remaining contract. He was suspended without pay by the Bruins for not reporting to the team. He will be suspended without pay by the Isles for not reporting. Neither side loses any money in this. But suspended players are still counted on the team's salary cap.


...if the player was at least 35 when the contract was signed. Lubomir Visnovsky wasn't counting against the Islanders cap until he was re-instated.  (which all by itself solved the cap floor problem, but the Thomas thing isn't going to cost them anything anyway.)
 
2013-02-08 02:14:34 PM  

sno man: desertgeek: Because this trade was all about cap space and nothing more, Boston isn't taking any of Thomas' remaining contract. He was suspended without pay by the Bruins for not reporting to the team. He will be suspended without pay by the Isles for not reporting. Neither side loses any money in this. But suspended players are still counted on the team's salary cap.

...if the player was at least 35 when the contract was signed. Lubomir Visnovsky wasn't counting against the Islanders cap until he was re-instated.  (which all by itself solved the cap floor problem, but the Thomas thing isn't going to cost them anything anyway.)



Plus, now if they decide to trade any of their expiring-contract assets as rentals, they don't have to worry about taking back salary just to stay above the floor.

I even read a Bob MacKenzie tweet saying that, basically, the Isles can 'toll' the contract to next year if Thomas still hasn't reported by end-of-season (as they did with Nabokov last year), such that the cap hit is applied to next season (again, with no cash to be paid), and next season, and next... well, in perpetuity, technically. At least until he reports/retires, then it would begin to count down toward expiry. Madness...
 
2013-02-08 03:17:12 PM  

skinink: Fark Tim Thomas. He could have been a sports legend in Boston for helping the Bruins win a Stanley cup after decades of futility. Instead he made the whole thing political and then decided he needed time away from the team for some kind of "sabbatical". FFS, Tim, you were going to meet the President at the White House as a champion. It's not like Obama was going to ask you to personally endorse Obamacare.


He is a legend.

Theo Epstein is also a legend.

Theo Epstein skipped a White House meeting. No one cared.

This entire thing was generated by the Boston media that can't get enough of themselves. Even the hockey media in general is still baffled about why it blew up so much.
 
2013-02-08 05:23:51 PM  

meddleRPI: skinink: Fark Tim Thomas. He could have been a sports legend in Boston for helping the Bruins win a Stanley cup after decades of futility. Instead he made the whole thing political and then decided he needed time away from the team for some kind of "sabbatical". FFS, Tim, you were going to meet the President at the White House as a champion. It's not like Obama was going to ask you to personally endorse Obamacare.

He is a legend.

Theo Epstein is also a legend.

Theo Epstein skipped a White House meeting. No one cared.

This entire thing was generated by the Boston media that can't get enough of themselves. Even the hockey media in general is still baffled about why it blew up so much.


But Theo didn't turn into an insufferable douche and make it all about himself when he missed the White House visit.

That little twerp had his all about me moment when he dressed in a gorilla suit.
 
2013-02-08 05:27:53 PM  

fatalvenom: meddleRPI: skinink: Fark Tim Thomas. He could have been a sports legend in Boston for helping the Bruins win a Stanley cup after decades of futility. Instead he made the whole thing political and then decided he needed time away from the team for some kind of "sabbatical". FFS, Tim, you were going to meet the President at the White House as a champion. It's not like Obama was going to ask you to personally endorse Obamacare.

He is a legend.

Theo Epstein is also a legend.

Theo Epstein skipped a White House meeting. No one cared.

This entire thing was generated by the Boston media that can't get enough of themselves. Even the hockey media in general is still baffled about why it blew up so much.

But Theo didn't turn into an insufferable douche and make it all about himself when he missed the White House visit.

That little twerp had his all about me moment when he dressed in a gorilla suit.


Neither did Tim Thomas. Epstein didn't turn into an insufferable douche because no one so much as asked him about it. The media basically went to 11 the minute they saw Timmy not there. shiat hit the fan on Twitter even before the event was done.

Tim Thomas made a statement through his Facebook page, and then refused to discuss the situation anymore after that. Not sure how that became "making it all about himself."

Like his reasoning or not, it was something he wished to keep to himself. It was the media, KPD in particular, that wouldn't shut up about it.
 
2013-02-08 06:00:20 PM  

puckrock2000: So the Islanders' goalie corps consists of a guy who's under contract until 2021, but has spent the majority of the last four seasons on the disabled list; a an almost-40-year-old who hasn't played in a year; and a guy who was suspended by the team when he refused to report after being claimed on waivers. Could somebody please tell me how in the hell Garth Snow still has a job?


Given the limitations that come with running the Islanders he really hasn't done that bad of a job. I wouldn't be upset to see him replaced by someone with more of a track record, but I'm not calling for his head either.
 
2013-02-08 06:02:05 PM  

meddleRPI: fatalvenom: meddleRPI: skinink: Fark Tim Thomas. He could have been a sports legend in Boston for helping the Bruins win a Stanley cup after decades of futility. Instead he made the whole thing political and then decided he needed time away from the team for some kind of "sabbatical". FFS, Tim, you were going to meet the President at the White House as a champion. It's not like Obama was going to ask you to personally endorse Obamacare.

He is a legend.

Theo Epstein is also a legend.

Theo Epstein skipped a White House meeting. No one cared.

This entire thing was generated by the Boston media that can't get enough of themselves. Even the hockey media in general is still baffled about why it blew up so much.

But Theo didn't turn into an insufferable douche and make it all about himself when he missed the White House visit.

That little twerp had his all about me moment when he dressed in a gorilla suit.

Neither did Tim Thomas. Epstein didn't turn into an insufferable douche because no one so much as asked him about it. The media basically went to 11 the minute they saw Timmy not there. shiat hit the fan on Twitter even before the event was done.

Tim Thomas made a statement through his Facebook page, and then refused to discuss the situation anymore after that. Not sure how that became "making it all about himself."

Like his reasoning or not, it was something he wished to keep to himself. It was the media, KPD in particular, that wouldn't shut up about it.



If he had wanted to keep it to himself he never would have posted it on his Facebook page to begin with.   He made his reasons for not going public then refused to talk about it.
 
2013-02-08 08:11:22 PM  
"We have acquired an asset for our organization," Islanders general manager Garth Snow said.

Looks like we have a frontrunner for endorsement of the year.
 
2013-02-08 08:33:49 PM  

meddleRPI: skinink: Fark Tim Thomas. He could have been a sports legend in Boston for helping the Bruins win a Stanley cup after decades of futility. Instead he made the whole thing political and then decided he needed time away from the team for some kind of "sabbatical". FFS, Tim, you were going to meet the President at the White House as a champion. It's not like Obama was going to ask you to personally endorse Obamacare.

He is a legend.

Theo Epstein is also a legend.

Theo Epstein skipped a White House meeting. No one cared.

This entire thing was generated by the Boston media that can't get enough of themselves. Even the hockey media in general is still baffled about why it blew up so much.


Oh my heaven, you're twisting around what happened with Theo and the White House. Stop lying. Here's a link about it:

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bostonred-sox&i d= 16128&city=boston
 
kab
2013-02-09 01:11:45 AM  

Flappyhead: If he had wanted to keep it to himself he never would have posted it on his Facebook page to begin with. He made his reasons for not going public then refused to talk about it.


Pretty much this.   Thanks for the cup, and now good riddance.
 
2013-02-09 12:16:18 PM  

skinink: meddleRPI: skinink: Fark Tim Thomas. He could have been a sports legend in Boston for helping the Bruins win a Stanley cup after decades of futility. Instead he made the whole thing political and then decided he needed time away from the team for some kind of "sabbatical". FFS, Tim, you were going to meet the President at the White House as a champion. It's not like Obama was going to ask you to personally endorse Obamacare.

He is a legend.

Theo Epstein is also a legend.

Theo Epstein skipped a White House meeting. No one cared.

This entire thing was generated by the Boston media that can't get enough of themselves. Even the hockey media in general is still baffled about why it blew up so much.

Oh my heaven, you're twisting around what happened with Theo and the White House. Stop lying. Here's a link about it:

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bostonred-sox&i d= 16128&city=boston


Really? What part of

"Bush was still in office when the Sox won again in 2007. Epstein did not attend the '08 ceremony"

did I get wrong?
 
2013-02-09 12:20:09 PM  

Flappyhead: meddleRPI: fatalvenom: meddleRPI: skinink: Fark Tim Thomas. He could have been a sports legend in Boston for helping the Bruins win a Stanley cup after decades of futility. Instead he made the whole thing political and then decided he needed time away from the team for some kind of "sabbatical". FFS, Tim, you were going to meet the President at the White House as a champion. It's not like Obama was going to ask you to personally endorse Obamacare.

He is a legend.

Theo Epstein is also a legend.

Theo Epstein skipped a White House meeting. No one cared.

This entire thing was generated by the Boston media that can't get enough of themselves. Even the hockey media in general is still baffled about why it blew up so much.

But Theo didn't turn into an insufferable douche and make it all about himself when he missed the White House visit.

That little twerp had his all about me moment when he dressed in a gorilla suit.

Neither did Tim Thomas. Epstein didn't turn into an insufferable douche because no one so much as asked him about it. The media basically went to 11 the minute they saw Timmy not there. shiat hit the fan on Twitter even before the event was done.

Tim Thomas made a statement through his Facebook page, and then refused to discuss the situation anymore after that. Not sure how that became "making it all about himself."

Like his reasoning or not, it was something he wished to keep to himself. It was the media, KPD in particular, that wouldn't shut up about it.


If he had wanted to keep it to himself he never would have posted it on his Facebook page to begin with.   He made his reasons for not going public then refused to talk about it.


In the era of "THE FANS DESERVE TO KNOW!!!11!!1!" what makes you think that by making no statement whatsoever, it would have been any better?

He made a statement about why he declined the invite, as any athlete would be expected to.

Epstein no-shows in 2008, and gives a bullshiat excuse. Oh, that's OK.

Manny no-shows in 2008, gives no reason. Oh, that's OK.

Tim Thomas no-shows in 2012, gives an honest reason, OMG BETRAYAL OF THE HIGHEST ORDER.

You're just blinded by politics. Just admit it. Stop trying to rationalize it. It's OK.
 
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