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(The Citizen)   Swedish Guy: Judge, you should toss my DUI charge because I wasn't drunk -- I drink a lot, every day, and therefore I have a high tolerance. Judge: Seems legit   (thelocal.se) divider line 60
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2013-02-07 05:08:12 PM
Wait, are you trying to tell me that the laws in Sweden aren't zero tolerance, and the judge can use contributing factors (like the fact that there was no injury) in applying sentencing? What a novel idea.

/Land of the free is a joke.
 
2013-02-07 05:08:59 PM
I don't know exactly how much a pomille is - but there's some logic to this.  Heavy drinkers just aren't intoxicated at .08, for example.

If you're driving drunkenly, by all means, we should give you a DUI. If you're pulled over for a run of the mill speeding infraction....you don't necessarily deserve it.
 
2013-02-07 05:09:14 PM
There is some truth to that. Legal BAC levels are arbitrary, in the states at least.
 
2013-02-07 05:18:55 PM
Vad är hans FARK handtag?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-07 05:19:08 PM
a blood alcohol content of exactly 1.0 promille, five-times over Sweden's legal limit of 0.2 promille

That's .10% compared to the legal limit of .02%. Being sober is not a defense to drunk driving charges in America and he would still be convicted.
 
2013-02-07 05:26:12 PM
After reading the judgement, the kid's expression in the middle ad. says it for me.  I had a coworker who played a game to decide who drove after a night of drinking.  The first person who could put the key in the ignition drove, while they all drank waiting on one them to get the key in.  So, I am not amused by this poor logic.
 
2013-02-07 05:50:17 PM

Sleeping Monkey: There is some truth to that. Legal BAC levels are arbitrary, in the states at least.


They're arbitrary for exactly this reason.  It's very hard to determine the level of intoxication of someone.  It's a lot easier to detect their alcohol consumption.  That said though, I thought the US had Driving While Intoxicated, as opposed to Driving Under the Influence.  Isn't that why you guys have the road side sobriety tests?
 
2013-02-07 05:54:03 PM

SJKebab: They're arbitrary for exactly this reason. It's very hard to determine the level of intoxication of someone. It's a lot easier to detect their alcohol consumption. That said though, I thought the US had Driving While Intoxicated, as opposed to Driving Under the Influence. Isn't that why you guys have the road side sobriety tests?


Its called different things in different states.  I've heard DUI, DWI, OWI...
 
2013-02-07 05:56:02 PM

Sleeping Monkey: There is some truth to that. Legal BAC levels are arbitrary, in the states at least.


While I personally feel 0.08 is too low... you gotta have a number.  Just like age of consent, driving age, speed limits, etc.

Otherwise you're inviting more shenanigans by the cops, judges, etc.
 
2013-02-07 06:08:35 PM
Driving drunk is like most things: you get better with practice.
 
2013-02-07 06:13:58 PM

grokca: Vad är hans FARK handtag?


"Drew Curits"
 
2013-02-07 06:17:09 PM
.02 seems like a really low limit, but then it seems like pretty much every country takes driving while intoxicated more seriously than the United States.
 
2013-02-07 06:17:23 PM

Kingly Weevil: I don't know exactly how much a pomille is - but there's some logic to this.  Heavy drinkers just aren't intoxicated at .08, for example.

If you're driving drunkenly, by all means, we should give you a DUI. If you're pulled over for a run of the mill speeding infraction....you don't necessarily deserve it.


Even if he doesn't look or act intoxicated his reaction times are likely to be affected by the alcohol.
 
2013-02-07 06:17:34 PM
for years i've read it is costly and difficult to have a driver's license & motor vehicle in swiss cheese, and their punishments for drunk drivers are extreme. i suspect this old fart was close relations to someone of importance.
 
2013-02-07 06:17:51 PM

SJKebab: Sleeping Monkey: There is some truth to that. Legal BAC levels are arbitrary, in the states at least.

They're arbitrary for exactly this reason.  It's very hard to determine the level of intoxication of someone.  It's a lot easier to detect their alcohol consumption.  That said though, I thought the US had Driving While Intoxicated, as opposed to Driving Under the Influence.  Isn't that why you guys have the road side sobriety tests?


If you blow under the limit and fail the sobriety test because you really did forget where your nose is, you are going to jail.  If you blow over the limit it doesn't matter if you can recite the greek alphabet backwards while spinning a hula-hoop on your penis, you are going to jail.

/that last one might have been a bad example.
 
2013-02-07 06:18:36 PM

downstairs: SJKebab: They're arbitrary for exactly this reason. It's very hard to determine the level of intoxication of someone. It's a lot easier to detect their alcohol consumption. That said though, I thought the US had Driving While Intoxicated, as opposed to Driving Under the Influence. Isn't that why you guys have the road side sobriety tests?

Its called different things in different states.  I've heard DUI, DWI, OWI...


dewey

fusillade762: Driving drunk is like most things: you get better with practice.


true. some are more cautious when loaded.
 
2013-02-07 06:19:08 PM
skal pa sverige.
 
2013-02-07 06:21:04 PM
Can someone tell me why there are almonds in that stock photo drink?
 
2013-02-07 06:21:48 PM
I didn't see where TFA mentions why he was pulled over initially. If it was because he was weaving all over the road, I'd facepalm, but if it was for something like a taillight out, I'd be more forgiving.
 
2013-02-07 06:21:49 PM

Kingly Weevil: I don't know exactly how much a pomille is - but there's some logic to this.  Heavy drinkers just aren't intoxicated at .08, for example.

If you're driving drunkenly, by all means, we should give you a DUI. If you're pulled over for a run of the mill speeding infraction....you don't necessarily deserve it.


Ha! Speeding? When did you last get your vehicle inspected? Or is you registration a few days out of date? Could you step out of the car sir? Have you been drinking?
 
2013-02-07 06:23:07 PM
Meh...let the drunked off. His liver will shut down any day now with that much alcohol going through his body
 
2013-02-07 06:24:50 PM
Glögg glögg glögg glögg bork bork bork bork.
 
2013-02-07 06:25:45 PM

fusillade762: Driving drunk is like most things: you get better with practice.


www.badmovienite.com
 
2013-02-07 06:26:22 PM
So why was he pulled over in the first place? Was he swerving or driving the wrong way or were there beer bubbles emanating from his car? He claims he didn't feel under the influence at all while driving - so he is just a crappy driver?
 
2013-02-07 06:26:55 PM

Gig103: Wait, are you trying to tell me that the laws in Sweden aren't zero tolerance, and the judge can use contributing factors (like the fact that there was no injury) in applying sentencing? What a novel idea.


Assuming you can afford to get a license here (Sweden), I dare you to drive drunk on it.

This case is an anomaly. Hell, drunk driving itself in this country is an anomaly. It just isn't done. In my ten years here I've come across exactly one incident of it, and that was a family of Irish tourists who took me back to my place so we could all drink whiskey.
 
2013-02-07 06:28:12 PM
In legal circles, I believe that is known as the Oksana Bayul defense.
 
2013-02-07 06:31:07 PM
This could pose useful in Wisconsin
 
2013-02-07 06:32:37 PM

Gig103: /Land of the free is a joke.


wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net
Whoever told you that is your enemy
 
2013-02-07 06:35:41 PM
I once got pulled for speeding by a LEO. He said that he smelled alcohol on my breath and asked me to do some sobriety tests.
I obliged. I had not had alcohol for at least 12 hours. I passed the tests and he let me go with a ticket for speeding.

Fark: I smelled alcohol on HIS breath!
 
2013-02-07 06:36:43 PM

KrispyKritter: for years i've read it is costly and difficult to have a driver's license & motor vehicle in swiss cheese, and their punishments for drunk drivers are extreme. i suspect this old fart was close relations to someone of importance.


Was that a weird autocorrect?
 
2013-02-07 06:56:38 PM
Precision Boobery: It shouldn't be hard to make these tests required for ignition the way breathalyzers can be. You get up to two chances for each test, and if you take them both the scores are averaged. Based on the results, the car's computer decides how fast you can safely go and doesn't let you exceed that speed. The results could let you start your car with the same restrictions for up to some length of time, say three or four hours, and you could take the tests again after one hour if you screwed up before (or have sobered up since).

This is insanity on at least 80 different levels.
 
2013-02-07 06:59:38 PM
i220.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-07 07:08:44 PM

Precision Boobery: Done in one.  BAC means nothing.  If you can test his visual acuity, reaction time, and coordination and find them as good as someone who is old and/or sleepy, there's no reason he shouldn't be on the road next to idiot teenagers or people who have the flu.

Now, if you want to enact some sensible standards that prohibit everyone I just mentioned from driving (or at least driving over a certain speed), I'd be for that.  Otherwise, there are many, many people driving legally who are more of a threat than this guy probably was.

It shouldn't be hard to make these tests required for ignition the way breathalyzers can be.  You get up to two chances for each test, and if you take them both the scores are averaged.  Based on the results, the car's computer decides how fast you can safely go and doesn't let you exceed that speed.  The results could let you start your car with the same restrictions for up to some length of time, say three or four hours, and you could take the tests again after one hour if you screwed up before (or have sobered up since).



Or, how about we just don't drive after drinking.  Not a difficult concept.  People feel that THEY are able to drive after they drink just fine, or that THEY can drink while on the phone, or THEY can drink while applying make up, etc., but how about we just treat piloting thousands of pounds that has the potential to maim or kill someone with a little more care, and make that important phone call after we get home, apply make up before we leave, or drive while sober?  OK?
 
2013-02-07 07:10:02 PM
So... this is the precident we've all been waiting for, right?

/fish drink like me.
//not an alcoholic, I just drink like one.
///I only drink on days that start with a T
//today, tomorrow, Tuesday...
 
Xai
2013-02-07 07:18:46 PM
Dumbass? for having a legal system with common sense?

You mock them while here in the US we have people jailed for life for growing a single pot plant, or face 50 years in jail for copying freely available data.
 
2013-02-07 07:33:12 PM

Precision Boobery: Done in one. BAC means nothing.


Wrong. BAC is closely tied to impairment. The majority of drivers are impaired at 0.08. NTSB did a study to confirm this.
 
2013-02-07 07:41:34 PM

Precision Boobery: Done in one.  BAC means nothing.  If you can test his visual acuity, reaction time, and coordination and find them as good as someone who is old and/or sleepy, there's no reason he shouldn't be on the road next to idiot teenagers or people who have the flu.

Now, if you want to enact some sensible standards that prohibit everyone I just mentioned from driving (or at least driving over a certain speed), I'd be for that.  Otherwise, there are many, many people driving legally who are more of a threat than this guy probably was.

It shouldn't be hard to make these tests required for ignition the way breathalyzers can be.  You get up to two chances for each test, and if you take them both the scores are averaged.  Based on the results, the car's computer decides how fast you can safely go and doesn't let you exceed that speed.  The results could let you start your car with the same restrictions for up to some length of time, say three or four hours, and you could take the tests again after one hour if you screwed up before (or have sobered up since).


You sound like you drive while drunk.  Frequently.
 
2013-02-07 07:44:37 PM

Precision Boobery: I forgot to add that even though you are licensed, you are still not trusted to negotiate even a simple 4-way intersection, as evidenced by "no right on red" and "left on green arrow only" signs.

And yes, "BAC means nothing" was too strong, but it means less than an arbitrary level indicates it does.


Next, you'll tell us that speed limits are also completely arbitrary and skewed in favor of the local municipality generating revenue and unjustly penalize drivers just operating their vehicles at the speed they feel is safe, given the current conditions on the road.
 
2013-02-07 07:55:18 PM

valkore: You sound like you drive while drunk. Frequently.


He also sounds like he rationalizes driving while drunk. Frequently.
 
2013-02-07 07:56:48 PM
Troll science IRL.
 
2013-02-07 07:59:14 PM
I passed "field sobriety tests" at nearly .30 - didn't help me any.
 
2013-02-07 07:59:15 PM
A certain TFer (who I will not call out by name because that's against the rules) has used this same line of argument in defense of his own admitted recidivist drinking and driving.

I have him farkied in red as "Drunk Driver Asshole."

If he shows up in this thread, I'll be sure to tell him this thread is about him.

Because he's a drunk driver asshole.
 
2013-02-07 08:09:57 PM
No man better deserved Fark's Hero tag more than this gentleman.

Subby, you fail.  If it were up to me, you would be exiled.
 
2013-02-07 08:19:49 PM
I've known people who drove quite well over the limit and were too jumpy & twitchy under it. Alcohol tolerance is a fact, while BAC is an arbitrary measurement good only for collecting fines and recruiting for AA.
 
2013-02-07 08:23:31 PM
TheDavid has been drinking
TheDavid has been drinking
TheDavid has been drinking
That's me

It's much worse when I "sing" it, trust me.
 
2013-02-07 08:38:38 PM

Slartibeerfest: Can someone tell me why there are almonds in that stock photo drink?


Because glogg is mulled wine and has spices and (often) almonds in it.
 
2013-02-07 10:39:53 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
Agrees

/not obscure
 
2013-02-07 11:16:36 PM
ExcaliburPrime111:
Or, how about we just don't drive after drinking.  Not a difficult concept.  People feel that THEY are able to drive after they drink just fine, or that THEY can drink while on the phone, or THEY can drink while applying make up, etc., but how about we just treat piloting thousands of pounds that has the potential to maim or kill someone with a little more care, and make that important phone call after we get home, apply make up before we leave, or drive while sober?  OK?

I can drink and talk on the phone just fine! How else would I ever get the courage to talk to women if I wasn't first highly intoxicated?
 
2013-02-08 01:08:43 AM
I'm not sure a drunk's own opinion on whether he's capable of driving is the best way to determine this sort of thing.
 
2013-02-08 01:22:22 AM
ITT: self righteous and pretentious anuses
 
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