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2013-02-07 06:03:57 PM
I enjoyed the hell out of the first two seasons, and am desperately in love with Alison Brie. But I just started the third season on dvd, and I seem to be struggling with it. I think I'm starting to see what a lot of people complain about.

Can we just go ahead and turn this into an Alison Brie thread?

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2013-02-07 06:11:16 PM
Why does Gillian Jacobs get ignored?  I appreciate Allison Brie too, but not to the exclusion of Gillian Jacobs.
 
2013-02-07 06:12:47 PM
Mike Hale of the New York Times savaged the show in his review in today's paper. He starts by saying that, before Harmon's departure, Community was "unapologetically smart." Now it's been "dumbed down, its humor broadened past recognition."

Um, did he watch the third season?  This started long before whatever mediocre episodes they've apparently produced in the beginning of Season 4.

By the end of last season, Community had basically become 20 minutes of self-referential wackiness, followed by 90 second of everyone hugging and learning the true meaning of Christmas.  That is, when it wasn't making 22 minutes of Law and Order references that anyone with a TV over the past 20 years could have come up with.

I realize I sound like a hater, but I really did love the first 1.5-2 seasons of this show.
 
2013-02-07 06:14:15 PM

Lenny and Carl: Why does Gillian Jacobs get ignored?  I appreciate Allison Brie too, but not to the exclusion of Gillian Jacobs.


It's because we are force fed blondes all the time they kind of get diluted. She is very hot but sexy brunettes are not as common in the entertainment world. I wouldn't mind this being a thread with both of them though.
 
2013-02-07 06:16:13 PM
Brie and Plaza are the most attractive things on tv these days. NBC has it locked up with those two.
 
2013-02-07 06:19:19 PM

Lenny and Carl: Why does Gillian Jacobs get ignored?  I appreciate Allison Brie too, but not to the exclusion of Gillian Jacobs.


Fair enough. I'm equal opportunity.

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2013-02-07 06:24:05 PM
I love Community and will not bash it. I also love Allison Brie, but god damn was her accent terrible in The Five Year Engagement.
 
2013-02-07 06:33:49 PM

Arachnophobe: I enjoyed the hell out of the first two seasons, and am desperately in love with Alison Brie. But I just started the third season on dvd, and I seem to be struggling with it. I think I'm starting to see what a lot of people complain about.

Can we just go ahead and turn this into an Alison Brie thread?

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Season 3 starts off slow, but picks up.
 
2013-02-07 06:45:36 PM
Holy gangnam bang bang. More Alison, yes.
 
2013-02-07 06:48:37 PM
Having read some of the reviews, I find it really interesting that a lot of the things they're complaining about are things that a lot of people thought were problems <i>last year.</i> The show being too gimmicky, too self-referential, and too reliant on one aspect of characters for jokes and plots are all problems that were evident in S3, especially towards the end. Kinda makes me suspect that the critics are just scrutinizing it more because they know that Harmon is gone, rather than the show's quality actually having declined all that much.
 
2013-02-07 06:56:50 PM
If it weren't for this show I would have never heard of Childish Gambino...which is farking awesome.
 
2013-02-07 06:58:31 PM
I enjoyed this program very much the first year, but somewhere around the time where Ken was living in the vent system, I found it hard to muster a damn to give.
 
2013-02-07 07:03:20 PM
I just wish they would tone down the overuse of Chang and the dean. Judging by the previews, it doesn't seem likely.
 
2013-02-07 07:04:23 PM
Season four will suck. The showrunners have said over and over again they've made every effort to make it like it was when Harmon was running it. Harmon put so much of himself into the show, all you're going to get from imitating Harmon's show is simply that: an imitation.
 
2013-02-07 07:04:32 PM
Now that the show has apparently turned to suck, it will probably run for another 6 years.  Smart, irreverent comedies are rarely rewarded in America.  Stupid, broad humored crap is.
 
2013-02-07 07:10:36 PM
It'll be awesome once Chang shoots Lori in the head.
 
2013-02-07 07:11:50 PM

havocmike: but somewhere around the time where Ken was living in the vent system


I love the show, but CHang is just a really annoying character now. I miss Senor Chang lording his authority and torturing his students
 
2013-02-07 07:11:54 PM

Arachnophobe: I enjoyed the hell out of the first two seasons, and am desperately in love with Alison Brie. But I just started the third season on dvd, and I seem to be struggling with it. I think I'm starting to see what a lot of people complain about.

Can we just go ahead and turn this into an Alison Brie thread?

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2013-02-07 07:21:52 PM
I'm looking forward to the new season. It has been a very enjoyable show.

The critics piling on doesn't bother me. I know what I like.
 
2013-02-07 07:26:39 PM
Critics love Big Bang theory, two broke girls, Whitney, friends, and other crap.
 
2013-02-07 07:31:29 PM

Apos: Arachnophobe: I enjoyed the hell out of the first two seasons, and am desperately in love with Alison Brie. But I just started the third season on dvd, and I seem to be struggling with it. I think I'm starting to see what a lot of people complain about.

Can we just go ahead and turn this into an Alison Brie thread?

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That one got my attention, the bukkake outtake one sealed the deal.
 
2013-02-07 07:40:04 PM

rcantley: That is, when it wasn't making 22 minutes of Law and Order references


It wasn't making "22 minutes of Law and Order" references.  It made a Law and Order episode.  It wasn't the normal show with L&O thrown in.  It copied a L&O episode perfectly and I though it was nice homage to a long running show that had just ended.
 
2013-02-07 07:41:35 PM

Flappyhead: Apos: Arachnophobe: I enjoyed the hell out of the first two seasons, and am desperately in love with Alison Brie. But I just started the third season on dvd, and I seem to be struggling with it. I think I'm starting to see what a lot of people complain about.

Can we just go ahead and turn this into an Alison Brie thread?

[i1126.photobucket.com image 850x530]


[www.toogoodforradio.com image 499x281]


That one got my attention, the bukkake outtake one sealed the deal.


My sentiments exactly.
 
2013-02-07 07:43:53 PM

Scythed: Having read some of the reviews, I find it really interesting that a lot of the things they're complaining about are things that a lot of people thought were problems <i>last year.</i> The show being too gimmicky, too self-referential, and too reliant on one aspect of characters for jokes and plots are all problems that were evident in S3, especially towards the end. Kinda makes me suspect that the critics are just scrutinizing it more because they know that Harmon is gone, rather than the show's quality actually having declined all that much.


Yup, that about says it all
 
2013-02-07 08:39:40 PM
Netflix should just buy up this show, let Harmon be the guy producing it again, and just make it a Netflix exclusive show. "House of Cards" was pretty good, and hopefully "Arrested Development" will be as well. One season of censor-free "Community" on demand would be great.
 
2013-02-07 08:53:19 PM

Russky: Scythed: Having read some of the reviews, I find it really interesting that a lot of the things they're complaining about are things that a lot of people thought were problems <i>last year.</i> The show being too gimmicky, too self-referential, and too reliant on one aspect of characters for jokes and plots are all problems that were evident in S3, especially towards the end. Kinda makes me suspect that the critics are just scrutinizing it more because they know that Harmon is gone, rather than the show's quality actually having declined all that much.

Yup, that about says it all


Thirded. Last season ended badly.
 
2013-02-07 09:31:51 PM
I mean, once the show copies a movie that came out a year ago and wasn't all that popular with the core audience, I think everyone figures it's over.
 
2013-02-07 10:22:51 PM
except for a few excellent episodes, the second season began the decline.

They were all -- hey, that Chang character's funny. LET'S CHANG ALL THE THINGS

That said, it's time to get HYPNOTIZED

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2013-02-07 10:34:42 PM

Dafatone: Arachnophobe: I enjoyed the hell out of the first two seasons, and am desperately in love with Alison Brie. But I just started the third season on dvd, and I seem to be struggling with it. I think I'm starting to see what a lot of people complain about.

Can we just go ahead and turn this into an Alison Brie thread?

[i1126.photobucket.com image 850x530]

Season 3 starts off slow, but picks up.


I agree.  Season 2 was obviously the best, but Season 3 had a lot of great episodes including Remedial Chaos Theory, which is by far one of the best episodes.  I also thought the end of the season was pretty perfect.
 
2013-02-07 10:34:53 PM
Community is what happens to a show that starts catering to internet forums.
 
2013-02-07 10:46:30 PM

Banacek: Community is what happens to a show that starts catering to internet forums.


Yeah. I think the show is way to self-conscious. It comes off as pandering and simple.

The Venture Bros. knows how to make references to pop culture and Internet culture without seeming like it's trying too hard. Community always stinks of "HEY! Let's mention this popular Internet thing in some ham-fisted way!"

But then, I'm not a big fan of modern prime time sitcoms. They all feel rather dumb to me. The best one in recent years was  Better Off Ted  and they killed it because it sailed over the heads of the majority of audience members.
 
2013-02-07 10:47:05 PM
Ah, dammit...

It's way TOO self-conscious. I didn't catch it in time.
 
2013-02-07 10:52:22 PM

ZeroCorpse: Banacek: Community is what happens to a show that starts catering to internet forums.

Yeah. I think the show is way to self-conscious. It comes off as pandering and simple.

The Venture Bros. knows how to make references to pop culture and Internet culture without seeming like it's trying too hard. Community always stinks of "HEY! Let's mention this popular Internet thing in some ham-fisted way!"

But then, I'm not a big fan of modern prime time sitcoms. They all feel rather dumb to me. The best one in recent years was  Better Off Ted  and they killed it because it sailed over the heads of the majority of audience members.


Better Off Ted was amazing. I wonder if the name (which isn't a good one) hurt the show.
 
2013-02-07 11:18:28 PM
how about no.bear
 
2013-02-08 12:28:48 AM

dehehn: I agree.  Season 2 was obviously the best, but Season 3 had a lot of great episodes including Remedial Chaos Theory, which is by far one of the best episodes.  I also thought the end of the season was pretty perfect.


The end of season 3 was pretty terrible and was basically a self-parody that wasn't self-aware, and the rest of the season suffered because it was meant to justify a season ender that should never have happened in the first place.

How does anyone justify Abed trying to cut off Jeff's arm in the final episode?  Sure, he was always a little nutty, but the point where Abed is a physical danger who seeks to inflict permanent bodily harm seems to cross a major line.  And Britta hears his plan and is in the court room when Abed walks in with a buzz saw, and she thinks nothing of it, because having an actual human reaction of "Hey, Abed said he's going to chop off Jeff's arm, maybe I should tell Jeff and the rest of group" would interfere with a cheap gag.  It also doesn't make sense even in Abed's deluded head.  He wanted to chop off Jeff's arm because...  he imagined a timeline where Jeff already lost it.  Okay?  And...?
 
2013-02-08 12:29:21 AM
That show is still on? The first season was great. Then the writing just got progressively dumber, as if the writers somehow mistook stupidity for cleverness. I thought it was cancelled. Honestly, I did.
 
2013-02-08 01:00:35 AM
I never saw it when it started but was told about it last year and started from season 1 and have watched all of them through the end of season 3. I like it, and the people complaining about it, and the people who "used to like it" or "it was better when" remind of the same people who complain about the Simpsons.
 
2013-02-08 02:55:49 AM

ZeroCorpse: Banacek: Community is what happens to a show that starts catering to internet forums.

Yeah. I think the show is way to self-conscious. It comes off as pandering and simple.

It insists upon itself.
 
2013-02-08 05:24:50 AM

OhioUGrad: I never saw it when it started but was told about it last year and started from season 1 and have watched all of them through the end of season 3. I like it, and the people complaining about it, and the people who "used to like it" or "it was better when" remind of the same people who complain about the Simpsons.


Makes sense since I am one of them.
Simpsons jumped the shark quite a while back. The Simpsons still have decent shows every once in a while but they aren't as common as before (usually the stinkers have Lisa as the main focus or more than two lines in the show) I think what happens is that the shininess of the show wears off and the allure that got you to watch the show in the first place disappears. Similar to when somebody upgrades to a newer product. The old one worked fine but it's not new. Only reason Simpsons is still on is Fox's incessant hard-on for it since it made the channel back in the 80s. Even Matt Groening thinks it has had its time. He said several years back that if he had a choice he would have canceled Simpsons and kept Futurama.

With Community, I think they made the mistake by thinking that doing more "special" episodes would get them more viewers. Instead what has happened is the special episodes are no longer special but have become the baseline. What this has done is when they do a non-special episode it falls flat.
 
2013-02-08 09:46:54 AM

Banacek: ZeroCorpse: Banacek: Community is what happens to a show that starts catering to internet forums.

Yeah. I think the show is way to self-conscious. It comes off as pandering and simple.

The Venture Bros. knows how to make references to pop culture and Internet culture without seeming like it's trying too hard. Community always stinks of "HEY! Let's mention this popular Internet thing in some ham-fisted way!"

But then, I'm not a big fan of modern prime time sitcoms. They all feel rather dumb to me. The best one in recent years was  Better Off Ted  and they killed it because it sailed over the heads of the majority of audience members.

Better Off Ted was amazing. I wonder if the name (which isn't a good one) hurt the show.


I think it was the Writers' Strike that hurt it the most.  Better Off Ted and Pushing Daisies both came along at exactly the wrong time.  The Strike killed any chance of them building up momentum.
 
2013-02-08 01:08:51 PM
I loved the first season up until the finale.

Dude kissing Brie and britta in one episode made me go 'if I wanted stupid childish melodrama I'd go watch glee'.
 
2013-02-09 12:05:24 AM
From Season 2:
A Fistful of Paintballs
For a Few Paintball More

Two of the best comedy episodes I've ever seen.

From Season 3:
Pillows and BlanketsA mock civil war documentary
and
Basic Lupine Urology  A mock CSI

Were two of the best of the series.
 
2013-02-09 09:48:45 AM

whitman00: From Season 2:
A Fistful of Paintballs
For a Few Paintball More
Two of the best comedy episodes I've ever seen.

From Season 3:
Pillows and BlanketsA mock civil war documentary
and
Basic Lupine Urology  A mock CSI Law & Order

Were two of the best of the series.


FTFY.

Also, I liked the Pillows and Blankets episode, but I thought its shtick got old by the end of the episode.
 
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