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(Some Guy)   Ex-cop alleged cop-killer Chris Dorners, still loose and on a shooting rampage in LA, left this manifesto   (boywithgrenade.org) divider line 410
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2013-02-07 07:14:16 PM
17 votes:
Having read the manifesto, which seems pretty clear-headed, and details real allegations of very serious corruption and racism within LAPD, am I wrong to want this guy to achieve some of his objectives?
2013-02-07 07:15:19 PM
11 votes:
Strange to find myself rooting for a cop. Hmm.... ex-cop, that is.
2013-02-07 07:58:52 PM
8 votes:
Wow.

This guy Dorners might be a bit off the deep end, but WTF is the LAPD doing ramming and shooting up vehicles on the merest hint Dorners might be in the vehicle?!?!? This is like one of those bad 80s movies where the ex-cop is fighting a corrupt police department, which is throwing every effort.... geez.

LA has always been "La-La" land, but I think it's safe to say there are some very nasty things going on right now.

There are no good guys here. Dorners has taken the law into his own hands and doesn't care about the collateral damage, and the LAPD thinks it is open season to kill a rogue cop who "crossed the blue line".

There certainly is substance in Dorners' charges, and the way the LAPD is handling this, it's clear that part of his "manifesto" is completely accurate (still doesn't justify his crimes, though). Honestly, the State of California needs to step in with the State Police and National Guardsmen and shut them down right now before more innocents die. The Governor can use the excuse that he is simply putting the LAPD, all potential targets, into protective custody. House them on Alcatraz, and don't let them off until Dorners is in custody (or dead) and after his charges have been investigated.

I've stated this before here on Fark - Cops, prosecutors, judges who pervert the law to send KNOWN innocent people to jail should suffer the penalties they inflicted - if for no other reason than that they allowed the actual criminal to walk free. Corruption cannot be tolerated. Police officers ramming and firing on vehicles without concern? That shows a level of corruption that cannot be allowed to continue.
2013-02-07 07:20:25 PM
8 votes:

NewportBarGuy: I'm not reading all that sh*t.

If he took that much time to write all that, I'm just gonna say he's guilty.


So you really don't believe that there is any chance that the LAPD would be racist and unfair in any way?  The guy's a nutjob and obviously he's airing his grievances in the worst possible way (would it be THAT hard to find a journalist who wants to break these big allegations, assuming they're true?!), but I have to admit that his rant isn't that far fetched.  Frankly, some parts of it aren't even all that surprising.
2013-02-07 10:50:32 PM
7 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Nothing made it okay, and I don't see anyone saying it's okay to kill innocents.

At the same time, the cops are dirty and they're trying to shut him up... so what other innocents have no voice which he tried to speak for and was shut down?  Two wrongs don't make a right, but the LAPD is not innocent, and it was be an awful shame if the LAPD got a slap on the wrist for their own slaughter of innocents just because those innocents aren't connected to a cop.  You know what I mean?

Yep.  Using force to drop an armed and extremely dangerous killer is an attempt to silence them.  We should forgive the man his silly trespasses because he is truly acting in the interest of justice.


He's acting in the interests of horror, sorrow and desperation.  The most dangerous person is the person who just doesn't give a fk anymore, the person who has no hope and says 'fk it'.  Well, Mr, Dorner has said 'fk it'.

And instead of being the bright lights in all this, the LAPD -- as so many before  me have commented -- is doing everything in their power to prove him right. Everybody involved in that sorry ass security detail which shot at those two women delivery papers should be hung out to dry and never be employed as a cop again.  How fked up is it that it's easier to lose one's job doing the right thing (whistle-blowing), than it is to lose one's job for nearly killing two innocent women (shooting first, questions later)?

Something's wrong, and to focus solely on Dorner as that wrong ensures that justice will never be served.
2013-02-07 08:44:35 PM
7 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: HindiDiscoMonster:

I know my first reaction when being shot at would be to stop and ask the shooter why they are shooting at me... O.o

Those cops just asked me to pull over.  Well, I'm not sure, maybe I should drive away as quickly as possible.

Sorry, but the people decided to attempt to evade for whatever their reasons are.  They chose the wrong time to try to evade.


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It was an undercover vehicle who RAMMED THEM FIRST (Note the damage on the side), then proceeded to get out and shoot up the vehicle.

As for the LAPD's story, are we really going to unquestioningly believe it, at any rate?

I'm no cop hater, but you have to be pretty stupid and blind to think there isn't something pretty damn bad going on right now.

As I said above, this story has no good guys, and the fact that one set of bad guys is the farkin' LAPD, should scare people.
2013-02-07 07:28:57 PM
7 votes:
Definitely some fodder for an investigative journalist, too bad there aren't any left
2013-02-07 08:07:22 PM
6 votes:
I'm about halfway through his "manifesto." Assuming most of it is mostly accurate the guy is too respectable to be an L.A. cop.
2013-02-07 07:35:34 PM
6 votes:
But as far wreaking bloody unholy vengeance on the LAPD,  he's got my full moral support.


So you're glad he killed 3 people - morally you support him killing more.
Wow.
Wow.


Meh, Cops kill people all the time. I bet you don't whine much about that.

When he's shot as many innocent people as the LAPD, then I'll reappraise my position on the matter.
2013-02-07 07:24:09 PM
6 votes:

Langston: Some of it sounds totally rational and sane, but other parts of it sound sort of nutty.

One thing's for sure, though. This guy sounds dangerous as f*ck.


No where near as dangerous as the crazed mob that's hunting him.
2013-02-07 07:16:55 PM
6 votes:
i read bits and pieces --


this is just some big black guy who thinks the world is out to get him. He got pissed his whinging and biatching didn't get taken seriously and is using it as an excuse to murder innocent people.

He thinks the world owes him something for being black. He's not some honorable saint, he's a murdering piece of shiat, and I truly hope when they do catch him, they shoot on site and wait till he's dead to call the paramedics.

All this supposedly stems from a complaint he lodged about a suspect being kicked/abused... she he got all bent out of shape over that, but sees nothing wrong with putting bullets into people's brains?

The sad thing is I've known more than one black person that has this "I'm black, I'm oppressed, I never succeeded because of the color of my skin, everything I do is okay" way of thinking.
2013-02-08 01:20:47 AM
5 votes:
The sad part is that the LAPD are doing nothing but proving every point he is trying to make.  Gunning down innocent civilians in the middle of the day because of what kind of truck they were driving?  They have already lost.
2013-02-08 01:05:55 AM
5 votes:
No matter what happens this will not become a big story in the news. There is too much truth in it.

Its already off the front pages of all the major news websites and the story is not even done yet.

Wake up America. The media... TV.... the networks... the government... corporations...they are NOT your friends. They are not on your side. You are an asset. That is all.
2013-02-07 11:31:40 PM
5 votes:

MurphyMurphy: higher code


Sure, there are cops that hold *themselves* to a higher code, yet they never do anything about the other 99% that are corrupt.  As a sworn police officer they're supposed to arrest criminals, yet they all know of the corrupt officers in their own departments and still refuse to arrest those officers because of that 'thin blue line'.  Fark them, if I'm ever actually assigned to a jury where a cop is used as an eye witness, I will hang that jury until the cows come home to make sure that they can't convict someone who's potentially innocent.
2013-02-07 11:17:54 PM
5 votes:
If and when he dies, and they view his previous brain scans after the concussions, they are going to find that it was the concussions themselves that permanently scarred him. Being prone to depression is a symptom of post-concussion syndrome. The severity of the depression is a result of the adversity he encountered trying to be a good cop in a corrupt system.
2013-02-07 11:09:32 PM
5 votes:

JungleBoogie: LesserEvil: Also, I have no idea where Farkers are getting info on the newspaper deliver girl shootings, but I can't find any reference on how many officers were involved. For all we know, it was a lone officer (who reloaded 3 times).

If you have more info, please share the link... I haven't seen a single word on the victims of those shootings (and they were victims of the LAPD).

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/07/16888732-women-shot-by-co ps -were-just-delivering-papers


Thanks.

So, we have the blue truck fired upon by 30 rounds (at least, given the count of an LAPD supporter in this thread), but supposedly only 3 find their mark, on two passengers. The other vehicle is rammed (the rear wheel is completely gone) and also riddled with bullets (there is a photo showing bullet holes low in the drivers' side windshield), but somehow, miraculously, the driver was not injured (airbag must be bulletproof).

I'm doubtful we are being told the whole truth of the extent of injuries/condition of the victims, but if it's the truth, that's some horrible fire control. When I shot on the range with the venerable 1911 I could lay a nice grouping in the target. I was a 3rd award Rifle Expert, and coached when I was in Okinawa, but even the worst guys on our range could do better than that at the distance those officers were probably shooting from, even with pistols.

The whole thing is just disturbing. Police officers that unload everything they have, but can't kill the innocent occupants of vehicles they can't properly identify. I hadn't realized Mr Magoo had joined the LAPD. Has anybody done a door-to-door check to see if any stray bullets killed anybody nearby?
2013-02-07 10:47:24 PM
5 votes:
Los Angeles is a big city.  People get murdered here pretty much every single day.  None of those murders have ever drawn our the resources that we're seeing today.  Hey, LAPD, if you wouldn't put out extra effort if some poor schmuck like me gets murdered in the street, then why should I give two licks if one of your own gets killed?

This whole thing stinks mightily of corruption & revenge.  I know he's going down, probably within the next twenty four hours,  but I honestly wouldn't mind if he takes out a few more cops on the way.
2013-02-07 10:26:41 PM
5 votes:

Delawheredad: If he were a white tea-bagger you Farkers would ALL be  itching to put the final bullet into the guy, This thread is really sickening.


Look, a**hole, he's killing cops.

You know, the friendly Andy Griffith with the badge guys who keep the bad bad people away from you? Three strikes laws, tough on criminals, more prisons and all that dandy Truth Justice and the American Way stuff? Cops?? You know?? Cops?? Bad boys bad boys, whatcha gonna do?

Wasn't YOUR side of the aisle cheering on the so called Second Amendment solutions and screaming for a revolution against the oppressive gubmint and death panels awhile back?

Well here we are with a former Navy/LAPD guy with his head stuck on RAAAAGE, who's playing for keeps in real life, just as you wanted, and all of a sudden you really really don't want your Red Dawn Super Adventure Party and are instead desperately clutching your Sparkly Crying Eagle Vomit Bag.

You people are a laugh riot.
2013-02-07 10:16:27 PM
5 votes:
Sadly, this post will be swept away in the sea of derp, but...

There's a line. That line is taking a human life. For those who think, "Good for him, killing LAPD, because those guys have killed so many innocents already..."

Do you think the same when a vigilante kills an abortion doctor? Do you think the same when, say, a mother guns down a man who killed her child due to negligence? Where's the line for you, acceptable and unacceptable murder? You decry things like "it's OK when our side does it, since your side does it too", but this is the same thing.

NOTE: I am not saying whether or not this guy's complaints are valid. I'm sure there are dirty cops. He may have not gotten a fair shake. But what makes you think, OK. Now I'm just gonna murder people? What made that OK?

He shot this girl

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2013-02-07 09:17:00 PM
5 votes:

Corn_Fed: aving read the manifesto, which seems pretty clear-headed, and details real allegations of very serious corruption and racism within LAPD, am I wrong to want this guy to achieve some of his objectives?


OnlyM3: Another violent leftist. His hero was Piers Morgan and other CNN liberals. No wonder.


accelerus: i read bits and pieces --


this is just some big black guy who thinks the world is out to get him. He got pissed his whinging and biatching didn't get taken seriously and is using it as an excuse to murder innocent people.

He thinks the world owes him something for being black. He's not some honorable saint, he's a murdering piece of shiat, and I truly hope when they do catch him, they shoot on site and wait till he's dead to call the paramedics.

All this supposedly stems from a complaint he lodged about a suspect being kicked/abused... she he got all bent out of shape over that, but sees nothing wrong with putting bullets into people's brains?

The sad thing is I've known more than one black person that has this "I'm black, I'm oppressed, I never succeeded because of the color of my skin, everything I do is okay" way of thinking.


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2013-02-07 07:50:03 PM
5 votes:

Langston: Some of it sounds totally rational and sane, but other parts of it sound sort of nutty.

One thing's for sure, though. This guy sounds dangerous as f*ck.


Gets nuttier once he decides he needs to wrap up every loose thought in his head before he doesn't have one anymore. The celebrity shout-outs make him seem crazier than he probably was not too long ago.

FTFA: "Off the record, I love your new bangs, Mrs. Obama. "

accelerus: this is just some big black guy who thinks the world is out to get him.


Uppity negro. Got it.

I mean, it must be because he's black right? Because no white guy has ever gone on a crazy killing spree when he felt his world had been turned upside down.
2013-02-07 07:37:17 PM
5 votes:

Zoth: Molavian: Begoggle: Zoth: Strange to find myself rooting for a cop. Hmm.... ex-cop, that is.

You are sick.

Right?  The guy is clearly a gun-grabber.

Well, I'll admit that Dorners sort of lost points for that.

But as far wreaking bloody unholy vengeance on the LAPD, he's got my full moral support.

They've Farked with a lot of people and finally they Farked with the wrong one.

A well deserved comeuppance.

The police have already shot 2 innocent people (and tried to shoot a 3rd but were apparently too incompetent actually hit the person).

I think they're doing a pretty good job of justifying this guy's grudge against them.


Normally I'm not that person who roots for cop killers (and I'm still not.  This guy is off the deep end) but I can't help but feel that maybe the LAPD needs some sort of wake up call.
2013-02-07 07:30:13 PM
5 votes:

Molavian: Begoggle: Zoth: Strange to find myself rooting for a cop. Hmm.... ex-cop, that is.

You are sick.

Right?  The guy is clearly a gun-grabber.


Well, I'll admit that Dorners sort of lost points for that.

But as far wreaking bloody unholy vengeance on the LAPD, he's got my full moral support.

They've Farked with a lot of people and finally they Farked with the wrong one.

A well deserved comeuppance.

The police have already shot 2 innocent people (and tried to shoot a 3rd but were apparently too incompetent actually hit the person).

I think they're doing a pretty good job of justifying this guy's grudge against them.
2013-02-07 07:29:36 PM
5 votes:

NewportBarGuy: To be honest? I don't really care if it's true. Sure, some reporter should look into it to make sure. I'm hoping that comes after this guy gets blown away or he eats a bullet himself.


That's probably how all of this will end.  But, if he's right and the LAPD is that corrupt, then some light needs to be shed on that fact.  The problem is that by being a murderer and a scumbag, he's going to damage his posthumous credibility significantly.  My point is, this guy had a bone to pick, and it's hardly a stretch of the imagination to think that his allegations might be legit.  And that's why it does matter whether his manifesto is rooted in truth----this shiat needs to be investigated.

But his behavior is going to make the problem, assuming it exists, much harder to solve.  No politician is going to want to talk about investigating the LAPD now that the public's sympathy is on their side.
2013-02-07 07:28:06 PM
5 votes:
Input error: Unable to determine who to root for.
2013-02-07 07:22:43 PM
5 votes:

OnlyM3: Another violent leftist. His hero was Piers Morgan and other CNN liberals. No wonder.


4/10. Would have only been 2/10, but you used the word leftist in conjunction with CNN, so you get a bonus point for that. You get another bonus point for conflating being someone's hero with agreeing with something that person once said.

Next time, try using more words like 'marxist' and 'fascist' completely out of context. I do think your work has promise, but this just feels a bit phoned in. I'm not quite feeling the frothing-at-the-mouth ignorance fueled rage. Looking forward to your future contributions though.
2013-02-07 07:19:18 PM
5 votes:
I guess the suspect posted it...but what proof is there he wrote it, it's just text.
His Facebook page?

Am I claiming something afoul?
No, I'm just asking what proof there is that this guy wrote it.
2013-02-07 07:10:11 PM
5 votes:
Some of it sounds totally rational and sane, but other parts of it sound sort of nutty.

One thing's for sure, though. This guy sounds dangerous as f*ck.
2013-02-08 12:57:48 AM
4 votes:
It doesn't matter if he's a lefty or a righty. To the rest of the world watching this he is American.
2013-02-07 11:31:07 PM
4 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: SubBass49: I'm gonna guess that his life spiraled out of control after that.  He lost his military career/clearance after they caught wind of his LAPD firing (according to his manifesto).  This completely farked his life.  I completely understand everything he's done with the exception of targeting family members of the people that wronged him.  Someone's kids should always be off limits, no matter what.

Alright.  You condone murder.  Brilliant!

Pro tip: You don't lose clearance over being fired from your other gig.  Now a psych writeup...


Pro tip, you smug ignorant coont, if you think that being terminated from government service for lying isn't going to cost you your security clearance you're either monumentally stupid or incredibly dishonest.
2013-02-07 11:15:01 PM
4 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: deprogramming


Racism isn't real! KKK is a myth! Happy meals for everyone because they have all the nutrition a young man needs!

Sure, this guy's over the line. But two wrong don't make a right, and LAPD got some 'splainin' to do. No matter how much "white pride" you project on random internet boards it's not going to change history one iota - there are things that are happening NOW, in 2013, that should have been out the moment we signed the constitution. Thankfully, people like me aren't going to believe it's all good just because Two Broke Girls cast a black guy as the resident coke head - oh wait, that's exactly why it's NOT all good - I see prejudice every single day.

I hope you aren't presuming I'm white or black.. but let me tell you, i grew up in a place that gives a lie to any notion racism is a thing of the past. It's a thing of the  present and haters gonna hate... lovers gonna love... but Truth - that just sits there, waiting for someone to dig it up. Perhaps, but not entirely to the extent of, this guy.

I know one thing - the LAPD aint offering to arbitrate, are they? Shoot to kill? They are supposed to  take a bullet for civilians. That's the oath they took, but look at em. Look at those bullet holes. The homeless veterans getting beaten, the silence of the force against it's own..

that ain't healthy bub and only a Happy Meal Thinker would say it is.
2013-02-07 10:28:50 PM
4 votes:

Corn_Fed: Kumana Wanalaia: Corn_Fed:  Go Dorner!

Did his manifesto seem venomous and rage-filled to you?


Yeah, I read it and had a very different reaction.  The guy seems to be level-headed, if obviously very pissed at this point.

The fact that, after five years of trying to whistle-blow within the system, and going through the proper channels, and NONE of us had ever heard of this last week, tells me that it was useless to try to try that avenue anymore.

His life and reputation was ruined, and was out of other options. I wish he hadn't targeted the daughter of his opponent--he lost his moral credibility on that. But if he'd stayed true strictly to those who were corrupting the system, he'd be deserving of a statue.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that needs to be addressed.

It won't.  It'll get buried, just like a real discussion of his note is going to get buried under tabloidism and misrepresentation.
2013-02-07 09:04:25 PM
4 votes:
I read the whole thing. Absolutely fascinating. He's literate and thoughtful. But see below:

1) His perception is that he lost everything - reputation and clearance - as a result of retribution from filing the internal complaint against Evans for roughing up the arrestee.

2) He attacked the other officers (Magana and Burdios) for saying "N-gger".

3) He says, "If possible, I want my brain preserved for science/research to study the effects of severe depression on an individual's brain. Since 6/26/08 when I was relieved of duty and 1/2/09 when I was terminated I have been afflicted with severe depression."

The one disconnect I saw was that... he thinks it's acceptable to physically attack people who use racial slurs. About the officers using the N-word, he says this: "I stated to Burdios, "Don't f--king say that". At that point there was pushing and shoving and we were separated by several other officers. What I should have done, was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in his skull and Officer Magana's skull. The Situation would have been resolved effective, immediately."

His perception is that they took everything from him - he specifically states the most important thing is his reputation, and his clearance which is worth prestige and money.

He's like a nerd, except in a massively powerful body, with actual combat training. So his nerd rage spirals to this. And he doesn't have any... internal rev limiter.

The depression plus the perception that he had everything taken from him in his termination, which he thinks is a result of doing the right thing, is what I think has led to this. Plus he's got no rage limiter.

This quote was hilariously surreal: "Larry David, I agree. 72-82 degrees is way to hot in a residence. 68 , degrees is perfect."
2013-02-07 08:32:39 PM
4 votes:

wambu: bogey: Not to many Farkers.
There's a reason they greenlit 3 articles about it already.
Drew & his fellows have been anti- bad cop for years now.

FTFY

Really, who is pro- bad cop except cops?


Most of Maricopa County, AZ.
2013-02-07 08:18:35 PM
4 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: NewportBarGuy: I'm not reading all that sh*t.

If he took that much time to write all that, I'm just gonna say he's guilty.

So you really don't believe that there is any chance that the LAPD would be racist and unfair in any way?  The guy's a nutjob and obviously he's airing his grievances in the worst possible way (would it be THAT hard to find a journalist who wants to break these big allegations, assuming they're true?!), but I have to admit that his rant isn't that far fetched.  Frankly, some parts of it aren't even all that surprising.


FUN FACT: The LAPD can be corrupt as all hell and at the same time this guy could be guilty of killing innocent people.
2013-02-07 08:16:50 PM
4 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Agarista: I cannot condone murder.  Murder for revenge over a career lost is disgusting.
Some tiny tiny part of me keeps trying to root for this guy, though.

Like I said two threads down, Dorner must have though, "If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em" ...at least in terms of tactics.

I cannot defend his actions, nor the actions of the police who shot at random trucks.
The best end is to have him stand trial before all he has harmed and accused, so they may testify as well. It does seem like the police are not willing to let that happen, and are willing to sacrifice more unrelated parties to prevent it from happening.  Let's hope my presumption turns out to be incorrect.

Dorne's gonna die in a hail of bullets.  He's gonna die because he wants to die, and the cops are happy to oblige him.

The cops didn't shoot at a "random" vehicle.  They shot at a vehicle that matched a description of the suspect's, approaching them slowly with headlights off at 5:00 a.m., after something was thrown out of its window.  They aren't "willing to sacrifice more unrelated parties."  They're scared shiatless and trigger-happy.  I would be the same in their position.


The only thing that really matched was the type of vehicle (ie. truck).
And if we allow them to shoot at all vehicles that drive "suspiciously" while being a truck - we're going to end up with a lot more victims. We should have higher expectations for the people we hire to protect our society.
2013-02-07 08:12:08 PM
4 votes:
Let's face it, most cops are low-class brutes who join to fulfill paramilitary fantasies.

There is no denying that there is a cop-culture that is protective of its own, at the expense of the truth or to society.

Most cops may be "good cops," but the bad cops number more than "just a few bad apples." I'd bet that 1/3rd of LAPD are bad cops.
2013-02-07 08:07:13 PM
4 votes:
I'd like to see other agencies get involved because I think it'd be best if he's taken alive, which the LAPD won't do. While his crimes are pretty bad regardless of the LAPD's behavior (murdering someone's family is indefensible), it would be nice to see someone actually investigate the LAPD as well. He might have all kinds of additional evidence, and I think he'd be willing to divulge it without being offered any kind of deal.

Best ending here would involve a trial for him but also a trial for those members of the LAPD he mentions, if there's any substance to the accusations at all.
2013-02-07 07:46:44 PM
4 votes:

Br34ch: Begoggle, maybe just go to sleep? You are going to be really agitated otherwise.

Therefore, drink milk, pee, proceed to sleep. I will say hi to you when you wake up tomorrow. Promise.


Just put him on ignore, I have him tagged as "cop fellating troll" now.  Easier than trying to engage him in his masturbation session.

jigger: Amos Quito: lack of warmth: RaiderFanMikeP: LL Cool J will play him in the movie

I almost wonder if he thinks he is LL Cool J playing himself in the movie about him.  Stated in another way, he watched waaay too many movies.   If any of the corruption he stated is true, this is not how to handle it.

What would you have suggested?

He could have written a tell-all book, gone to the media, made numerous youtube videos, started a blog and a podcast, and gotten the word out. It might have started changes, maybe. This won't.


That would have just gotten him ignored or at best, killed.  Or do you think no other cop in L.A's history has ever tried to fight the corruption?  This guy's not even the 10th.  You can find their stories, but you have to dig a bit.   He's a crazed ant fighting an elephant thats destroyed his life trying to get the world to notice and hurt the elephant.  He will get noticed, not in a good way, he wont ever do shiat to the lapd, nothing ever will.  Nothing he or anyone else could ever ever do would ever fix the police in L.A.

You would have to destroy all of L.A with all the cops there in order to "fix" that problem.  You cant fix it, you have to burn it down to bare earth and replant new seeds.  And then pray that the earth isnt so corrupt that it infects the new growth.

Enjoy the show.  Nothing ever gets better and none of us makes it out of here alive.  Let that knowledge comfort you.
2013-02-07 07:39:44 PM
4 votes:
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2013-02-07 07:37:43 PM
4 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: "(LAPD Chief) Beck attributed a pair of shootings by police officers in Torrance, south of Los Angeles, to mistaken identity. In one of the instances, officers fired on two women who were in a blue pickup delivering newspapers, the Los Angeles Times reported."

Sigh.


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Nope, totally not trying to kill the guy who knows about all the corruption, abuse, and racism.
2013-02-07 07:37:16 PM
4 votes:

Kumana Wanalaia: Corn_Fed:  Go Dorner!

Did his manifesto seem venomous and rage-filled to you?



Yeah, I read it and had a very different reaction.  The guy seems to be level-headed, if obviously very pissed at this point.

The fact that, after five years of trying to whistle-blow within the system, and going through the proper channels, and NONE of us had ever heard of this last week, tells me that it was useless to try to try that avenue anymore.

His life and reputation was ruined, and was out of other options. I wish he hadn't targeted the daughter of his opponent--he lost his moral credibility on that. But if he'd stayed true strictly to those who were corrupting the system, he'd be deserving of a statue.
2013-02-07 07:36:23 PM
4 votes:

jigger: Amos Quito: lack of warmth: RaiderFanMikeP: LL Cool J will play him in the movie

I almost wonder if he thinks he is LL Cool J playing himself in the movie about him.  Stated in another way, he watched waaay too many movies.   If any of the corruption he stated is true, this is not how to handle it.

What would you have suggested?

He could have written a tell-all book, gone to the media, made numerous youtube videos, started a blog and a podcast, and gotten the word out. It might have started changes, maybe. This won't.


Christopher Dorner's Anderson Cooper Package: Los Angeles Shooting Suspect Mailed Parcel To CNN Host (VIDEO)

I do NOT condone what Dorner has done, but a few days ago CNN would have ignored this "parcel".

They won't now.
2013-02-07 07:29:16 PM
4 votes:
Wayne LaPierre, President of the NRA, you're a vile and inhumane piece of shiat.

Well, at least he's competent to stand trial.  High IQ, even.
2013-02-07 07:18:06 PM
4 votes:

OnlyM3: Another violent leftist. His hero was Piers Morgan and other CNN liberals. No wonder.

No worries. You still have Ted Nugent.
2013-02-07 07:16:29 PM
4 votes:
Another violent leftist. His hero was Piers Morgan and other CNN liberals. No wonder.
2013-02-08 04:11:33 PM
3 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: relcec: [latimesblogs.latimes.com image 640x418]

Like a couple freepers were saying, they were going for headshots.  In this very thread, the question was raised about 'what if there was a hostage in there?'

Every cop involved in the newspaper ladies shooting should be fired.


they should be fired, then charged.
and we know they will never be fired or charged.
and because they are the front line of the justice system and therefore will never be, cannot be held criminally accountable in 99% of the illegal this wanton disregard of civilian life will never ever change until there is a civil remedy.

when cops are finally held to account for negligent actions like everyone else in society and are able to held personally liable and have their homes, their cars, and their pensions taken away and given to their innocent victims this might, might change.
right now they are all immune both in the criminal system and civil legal system. that's why they act like they can act with impunity, they are excempt from punishment that regulates the rest of society.
2013-02-08 04:07:58 PM
3 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: relcec: [latimesblogs.latimes.com image 640x418]

Like a couple freepers were saying, they were going for headshots.  In this very thread, the question was raised about 'what if there was a hostage in there?'

Every cop involved in the newspaper ladies shooting should be fired.


No.

They should be in jail.
2013-02-08 03:26:32 AM
3 votes:
Godspeed Chris Dorner.
2013-02-08 01:37:07 AM
3 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Who said it would be acceptable?


The police that opened fire.

supershaft: Not an apologist for cops at all, but what we have is two women wounded by overly jumpy cops. Nobody killed in this case except the ones Dorner has allegedly killed.
From what someone posted earlier in the thread it sounds like tomorrow will be a bad day to be driving a light colored car, trucks should be good again.


If I went up to a truck delivering newspapers and put 20 rounds into it because I "thought" there might be a murderer in there what would happen to me?  Why should the cops who shot two women face anything less then charges of attempted murder?
2013-02-07 11:30:50 PM
3 votes:

Corn_Fed: Having read the manifesto, which seems pretty clear-headed, and details real allegations of very serious corruption and racism within LAPD, am I wrong to want this guy to achieve some of his objectives?


No. Speaking from a chaotic neutral standpoint. LAPD and the rest of the nationwide gang needs a good kick in the teeth.
2013-02-07 11:30:49 PM
3 votes:

beta_plus: LookForTheArrow: beta_plus: Begoggle: do know that a gun rampage and threats to kill other people and their families has a way of undermining everything he said about his moral compass.

Most Farkers would happily kill the children of their enemies if they could do so with impunity.  They are not a group of well adjusted people.

WHOA, not so fast there... i'm sure you meant "We are not a group of well adjusted people".

Unless your mental illness has progressed to full blown schitz, that is...

I'm arguably one of the most hated members of this site, and have the time outs to prove it.  Suddenly you want to include me?

/unlike my enemies, I can still distinguish between fantasy and reality


Enemies... on Fark.com. You sure about that Fantasy/Reality thing, buckko-me-boy?
2013-02-07 11:30:16 PM
3 votes:
Can we get a Hero tag here? Like someone said early on (and I've read every 600+ comments) the guy who wrongly dismissed him and wouldn't remove himself as a conflict of interest now hopefully has enough regret for getting his daughter and her fiance killed that he too, hopefully, kills himself. There are really no bad ways this can end so long as he keeps targetting cops. Hopefully he won't have to resort to killing anymore of their families. And he has now shined a light on what seems to be a disgustingly corrupt system.

To add on to the fun, the cops will now have what looks like four separate lawsuits for criminal negligence in shooting random people. They did a great job of proving how they're not interested in legal justice, and instead intent on covering up all wrongdoing. If I had any respect for the LAPD, it was entirely lost when they decided to start shooting and ramming random cars that don't fit the description of the suspect vehicle.

Hopefully after the lawsuits, there will be numerous terminations for everyone involved in the shootings, and everyone going up the ladder involved in these corruption charges and coverups.

Then I give Mr. Dorner permission to die.
2013-02-07 11:06:26 PM
3 votes:

LesserEvil: Also, I have no idea where Farkers are getting info on the newspaper deliver girl shootings, but I can't find any reference on how many officers were involved. For all we know, it was a lone officer (who reloaded 3 times).

If you have more info, please share the link... I haven't seen a single word on the victims of those shootings (and they were victims of the LAP


Here's one story;  http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=8 9 84352

I read a more detailed story earlier which I can't find right now but it went something like;
Two LA Cops were sitting in a car in Torrance assigned to provide security to presumably either a cop named in the manifesto or a member of a cops family. While sitting there, the bright blue toyota truck drove down the street delivering newspapers in the early am. The police opened fire, I did not see an article that went into detail of how or why, while that was going down, two regular torrance cops responded to a call for backup from the two LA cops, while on the way they had a collision with another pickup truck, this time a honda ridgeline, within a few blocks of the call. Theses second officers thought the honda was the truck in question and opened fire. Two women were wounded from the blue toyota and apparently nobody was injured from the honda shooting.
2013-02-07 11:00:23 PM
3 votes:

beta_plus: This woman would be alive today if liberals did not preach a culture of hate.

[a.scpr.org image 216x324]


Worse than trolling.  Not funny either.  Worse than any attempt I've seen or composed myself.
2013-02-07 10:37:10 PM
3 votes:
LAPD vs LAPD?


I really hope no one "innocent" gets hurt here... but at the same time I have to admit part of me thinks this couldn't happen to a nicer group of corrupt scum.

Until good cops start letting the sunlight in and exposing the corrupt ranks for what they are, you will continue to have the status quo: complete lack of respect for the law and it's enforcers and an organization who's injustices propagate further injustice.

What the fark do people expect? We know them to be in large numbers nothing more than the largest street gang in the nation. We do and historically have turned a blind eye to much considering it the better of two evils.... but what do you do when that balance seems skewed? When the lesser evil you embraced becomes the greater?

No easy answers. And it's not just the police, all of this is mearly symptomatic of greater societal and governmental problems that continue unaddressed.

What do you do if you are a principled person that tries to open those curtains and expose injustice, only to have that system you faithfully serve turn on you? Well whatever you feel you have to I suppose, which is where this guy is.
And remember, this is one man doing the unthinkable that thousands of other victims of the system have dreamed of doing. In perspective, this story isn't even shocking. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.

With our current power structure our only hope of fixing our police ails from inside the system lies with the FBI, but as they can't seem to keep a budget and their manpower is spent everywhere but oversight of law enforcement it seems we have nowhere to turn to expect results.

I can't myself morally condone these "2nd amendment solutions"
At the same time, they aren't at all surprising for me to see. We reap what we sow in this world.
2013-02-07 09:52:07 PM
3 votes:

Greywar: Are most cops good. Yup.


Then why don't they arrest the bad ones??
2013-02-07 09:38:31 PM
3 votes:
If only it was not against the Fark rules for me to say what I actually think about the "note the word socialist" guy
2013-02-07 09:33:34 PM
3 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: BSABSVR:

So yeah.  Not the smartest way to operate when you are delivering papers in the middle of the night.

Also known as exactly how people deliver newspapers.

Really?  Lots of paperboys who decide, when they are flagged down, to attempt to full speed out of the area?

The shots are all to the rear of the vehicle and the scene extends over quite a wide area.  Looks like the cops firing had to continue firing for quite awhile before the truck rolled to a stop.  You would assume the first spotting/flagging down would stop you.  Or the second, or the first shots.

But these people decided to get out toot sweet.  Not normal delivery boy behavior.


yes, if someone is blowing my ride full of holes i'm going to stop, because hey, i'm sure they just want to talk.
2013-02-07 09:15:36 PM
3 votes:
So far The cops have:
Shot two innocent people even though their truck was the wrong color AND model
Shot AT another vehicle
Found his truck on fire
Had several of their own shot
Had two relatives of a ex-lapd officer shot.

At a guess this guys going to do more, and if his allegations are true I can kinda get it.  He has nothing worth living for other then his name.  For some folks thats what matters.  And looking at the truck of the two innocent women delivering news papers its obvious they dont intend to even think about taking him alive.  So he is going to fight like that.

Now here is the interesting thing, the Wikipedia entry indicates he got on a naval base, but didn't check out of it....what did he take from there that he needed?

He is doing asymmetrical warfare, and if he is even moderately successful other people will choose to target cops instead of random folks, Thats whats freaking the cops out, plus the whole targeting their families (a classic insurrectionist asymmetrical warfare move).  What if people are finally tired of corrupt cops, and everyone who KNOWS that they were setup and their life ruined by a cop....decides to go after them and their families?  It would be insane.

Are most cops good.  Yup.  The problem is the effect of the bad cops is WAY out of proportion to their numbers.
2013-02-07 09:10:51 PM
3 votes:

Pincy: Wow, the guy is all over the place.  Can he pick a few talking points and stick to them please.


end of life brain dumps rarely are well structured or rationally laid out, even when they are written by the most intelligent of people
2013-02-07 09:10:18 PM
3 votes:
Matching the description of his vehicle or not dosn't really matter, He's probably smart enough to not drive his own car around right now...

I wouldn't be surprised if someone (aside from Dorner) who has a grudge against the LAPD were to take this chance to kill a few cops, since they have the best chance to away with it right now, as Dorner will probably end up dead and unable to say he didn't do that particular one.
2013-02-07 08:43:47 PM
3 votes:

pyrotek85: InitialCommentGuy: pyrotek85: Exactly. I'm not sure why the police are allowed to fire on a vehicle like that. Even if the occupants refused to come out or sped away, the cops seems like they've gone trigger happy.

Welcome to the new Active Shooter guidelines.  In these situations immediate full force response is acceptable.  Could have been avoided by just pulling over and actually following the rule of law.

So they're sentenced to death then, is that it?


Think of it as a drone strike and it'll be obvious its perfectly legal.
2013-02-07 08:36:24 PM
3 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: BSABSVR:

So yeah.  Not the smartest way to operate when you are delivering papers in the middle of the night.

Also known as exactly how people deliver newspapers.

Really?  Lots of paperboys who decide, when they are flagged down, to attempt to full speed out of the area?

The shots are all to the rear of the vehicle and the scene extends over quite a wide area.  Looks like the cops firing had to continue firing for quite awhile before the truck rolled to a stop.  You would assume the first spotting/flagging down would stop you.  Or the second, or the first shots.

But these people decided to get out toot sweet.  Not normal delivery boy behavior.


I know my first reaction when being shot at would be to stop and ask the shooter why they are shooting at me... O.o
2013-02-07 08:32:22 PM
3 votes:

occamswrist: LesserEvil: BarkingUnicorn: Agarista: I cannot condone murder.  Murder for revenge over a career lost is disgusting.
Some tiny tiny part of me keeps trying to root for this guy, though.

Like I said two threads down, Dorner must have though, "If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em" ...at least in terms of tactics.

I cannot defend his actions, nor the actions of the police who shot at random trucks.
The best end is to have him stand trial before all he has harmed and accused, so they may testify as well. It does seem like the police are not willing to let that happen, and are willing to sacrifice more unrelated parties to prevent it from happening.  Let's hope my presumption turns out to be incorrect.

Dorne's gonna die in a hail of bullets.  He's gonna die because he wants to die, and the cops are happy to oblige him.

The cops didn't shoot at a "random" vehicle.  They shot at a vehicle that matched a description of the suspect's, approaching them slowly with headlights off at 5:00 a.m., after something was thrown out of its window.  They aren't "willing to sacrifice more unrelated parties."  They're scared shiatless and trigger-happy.  I would be the same in their position.

Neither truck matched the description at all. One was a blue Chevy pickup, the other was a black Honda king cab. The Honda was rammed and then riddled with bullets, and unlike most stories, we have no idea what happened to the passengers in those vehicles.

The LAPD is on a rampage.

There are procedures for dealing with known hostile occupants of vehicles. The LAPD have to deal with it all the time... none of those procedures involve what we've seen.

What's a Honda king cab?


Whatever the hell this monstrosity is:

img2u.info
Honda version of a Chevy Avalanche? I just called it that because it's a 4-door truck.

The other vehicle (Blue Chevy) that somehow looks like a "black Scion Pickup":

img2u.info

...of course, these cops are trusted to offer eye witness testimony in traffic stops without question. They can't even properly identify vehicles or even the color of those vehicles. WTF?
2013-02-07 08:17:50 PM
3 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: I would be the same in their position.


You should never be a cop.  Neither should any of these other cops.  You shouldnt have a CCL either, cuz your going to kill some innocent person when your feeling paranoid and feel justified about it.  But reality is you can carry a gun wherever you want, and your probably going to kill some black kid for asking for change or spilling a soda on your something stupid.

fark dude why you gotta kill people?  wtf is wrong with you?


/shiat dont kill me!
2013-02-07 08:12:08 PM
3 votes:
Of course his 'manifesto' is going to ramble a bit - what would you write if you needed to cover EVERYTHING because you knew you were going to die? He is going to be shot by the LAPD, of course.

And for the record, the Oakland PD is about to be completely taken over by the Feds for being SO corrupt. While I don't condone murder, and he is obviously having mental problems (that he admits), he should not have killed anyone. Of course, tell that to a cop.
2013-02-07 07:58:15 PM
3 votes:

wambu: bogey: Not to many Farkers.
There's a reason they greenlit 3 articles about it already.
Drew & his fellows have been anti- bad cop for years now.

FTFY

Really, who is pro- bad cop except cops?


Snivelling toadies, bootlickers, and those that get their jollies from unbridled authority.
2013-02-07 07:53:48 PM
3 votes:
Aside from the whole killing innocent people thing, I was fascinated by his manifesto. It didn't seem crazy or wackadoodle. He made some very valid arguments regarding his perception of his situation. He probably should have found a more constructive way to vent is frustration though. Also I liked his list of people he gave shout-outs to.
2013-02-07 07:49:07 PM
3 votes:
From his rant, he seems like such a nice guy FOR A CRAZY PERSON.
2013-02-07 07:47:41 PM
3 votes:
Dorner would fit right in at Fark.

In love with Piers Morgan, Chris Matthews and Anderson Cooper? Check!

Watches CNN and MSNBC like a religious zealot receiving divine instruction? Check!

Insane hatred for George Zimmerman and Wayne LaPierre? Check!

Control-freak regarding guns? Check!

Seething cauldron of barely-contained rage? Check!

Career failure? Check!

Relationship failure? Check!

Dorner the Establishment Liberal Rampage Killer.

He almost certainly has a Total Fark subscription and a couple of alts.
2013-02-07 07:38:49 PM
3 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: Watubi: Definitely some fodder for an investigative journalist, too bad there aren't any left

I wish he'd just found an eager young, idealistic journalist, and laid out these complaints for him/her.  Then he might actually have affected some kind of change in the LAPD.  Instead, people are dying needlessly AND his narrative is no longer particularly credible, since almost no one is going to look at this guy as a martyr.  He might have accomplished something as an actual whistle-blower though.


As documented in his manifesto, he sort of tried those things. And it got him nowhere.

As weird of a way it is, it is probably the most effective way to get people fired up about what he's talking about. I mean, just look at the reaction on Facebook (and Fark). Lots of people are finding his manifesto to be very convincing. Looks like he succeeded in some measure...
2013-02-07 07:35:30 PM
3 votes:
If he was going after the specific officers who wronged him, I could support him. If he was going after just police in general, I could understand. But killing innocent family members is farked up. fark this guy and his "good name".
2013-02-07 07:29:59 PM
3 votes:

flamingboard: Input error: Unable to determine who to root for.



Just root AGAINST all current and former LAPD cops and you'll be fine.
2013-02-07 07:28:44 PM
3 votes:

NewportBarGuy: HMS_Blinkin: So you really don't believe that there is any chance that the LAPD would be racist and unfair in any way? The guy's a nutjob and obviously he's airing his grievances in the worst possible way (would it be THAT hard to find a journalist who wants to break these big allegations, assuming they're true?!), but I have to admit that his rant isn't that far fetched. Frankly, some parts of it aren't even all that surprising.

To be honest? I don't really care if it's true. Sure, some reporter should look into it to make sure. I'm hoping that comes after this guy gets blown away or he eats a bullet himself.


Then you're a blithering idiot.

Go Dorner!
2013-02-07 07:28:38 PM
3 votes:

Cuthbert Allgood: As a white guy driving a black scion tonight in LA, I'm concerned the LAPD might mistake me for Dorners and shoot up my car.


//kinda serious



With those trigger happy cops, I'd be nervous flying over LA in an airliner @ 30,000 feet.
2013-02-07 07:25:17 PM
3 votes:
This guy obviously has a victim complex and no idea what true justice is.

I'm sure he genuinely believes he's in the right, but when you become a cop, you swear to protect and uphold the Constitution. Killing anyone who offends you is pretty much a violation of everything you claim to have dedicated yourself to.
2013-02-07 07:23:05 PM
3 votes:
Tebow, I really wanted to see you take charge of an offense again and the game. You are not a good QB by todays standards, but you are a great football player who knows how to lead a team and WIN. You will be "Tebowing" when you reach your next team. I have faith in you. Get out of that circus they call the Jets and away from the reality TV star, Rex Ryan, and Mark Rapist Sanchez.

God this is epic.
2013-02-07 07:23:05 PM
3 votes:
Honestly, it's really freaking long and is all over the map. There's a big bit up front about his specific reasons for why he's angry at the LAPD and the officers that (he says) turned on him, but then it rambles all over the place. Politics, friendships, shiat that happened to him in middle school, missing the third installment of the Hangover...

I feel badly that his live was screwed up like this, and I don't know how much of it is other people's fault and how much of it is his fault. I do know that a gun rampage and threats to kill other people and their families has a way of undermining everything he said about his moral compass.

Sadly, the last of the blood hasn't been shed here.
2013-02-07 07:21:44 PM
3 votes:

accelerus: i read bits and pieces --


this is just some big black guy who thinks the world is out to get him. He got pissed his whinging and biatching didn't get taken seriously and is using it as an excuse to murder innocent people.

He thinks the world owes him something for being black. He's not some honorable saint, he's a murdering piece of shiat, and I truly hope when they do catch him, they shoot on site and wait till he's dead to call the paramedics.

All this supposedly stems from a complaint he lodged about a suspect being kicked/abused... she he got all bent out of shape over that, but sees nothing wrong with putting bullets into people's brains?

The sad thing is I've known more than one black person that has this "I'm black, I'm oppressed, I never succeeded because of the color of my skin, everything I do is okay" way of thinking.


Yep, that's the sad thing about all this. That there are more uppity black people.
2013-02-07 07:21:36 PM
3 votes:
Begoggle, maybe just go to sleep? You are going to be really agitated otherwise.

Therefore, drink milk, pee, proceed to sleep. I will say hi to you when you wake up tomorrow. Promise.
2013-02-07 07:16:27 PM
3 votes:

Zoth: Strange to find myself rooting for a cop. Hmm.... ex-cop, that is.


You are sick.
2013-02-09 12:50:20 AM
2 votes:
Phinn: strawmen

Calling something a strawman does not a strawman make.  The peanut gallery here seems to get it but you don't. So I'll put it in pictures simple enough for you to understand.

I am not arguing about politics. I am arguing that the logic of your underlying premise is wrong. You are a lazy thinker that relies upon a simple dichotomy of "this or that" that thinking.

This is your world, where everything can be broken down upon the fundamental dichotomy between authoritarianism and libertarianism. This dichotomy, you have already stated, is the axis upon which the events of the world turn:
i.imgur.com
According to you, you occupy a station at the end of extreme libertarianism that allows you to see the way the world really actually, really works, the cold hard truths of reality:
i.imgur.com
Now, also populating your world are sheeple. Central-rightist, establishment republicans, leftists, casual consumers of the cable news, etc.They are not necessarily bad people, but their continued ignorance and apathy helps lend power to the authoritarian power structure of the state, which is funamendally opposed to liberty:
i.imgur.com
Also inhabiting your world are the cops, who are the mailed fist of the state:
i.imgur.com
Now, Dorner was himself a sheeple, according to you. We could quibble about his exact position on the spectrum, but on the whole he's no better or worse than the average person.
i.imgur.com

Then Dorner sees the real LAPD, the corruption endemic to government that you have seen all along, and his mind snaps:
i.imgur.com
He has seen the world as it truly is. The police are the jackbooted thugs of the state, they are corrupt, and they do not represent the world as the liberal media has portrayed it. This desperation causes him to strike out. He allegedly murders three people.

Now, where are we to asses this act along your continuum that - according to you - is the fundamental driver of society? You cannot tell me it is a political act - you have spent pages arguing that this man was so twisted by the political agenda pushed by the leftist media that he snapped. You cannot argue that he is pushed to striking out by politics, but the targets of his rampage are an arbitrary and apolitical choice. That just doesn't fly and it defies logic - he is expressly targeting the jackbooted thugs of the state that are the embodiment of the authoritarianism he has grown to hate.

So Dorner commits a political act. Where then does this act fall, if not to towards authoritarianism. There is only one other way this political act can occur along this axis: CLOSER TOWARDS YOU. Dorner shares your view of the world now - he sees the evil inherent to the LAPD and the programming of the liberal media.


i.imgur.com
What to make of this but that Dorner is a phoenix of libertarianism, and his stand against the jackbooted thugs of the state a glorious rebirth into the warming fires of libertarian thought? He has come to all of the truths that you yourself have. He sees the world as it really is. He has proven the ultimate sovereignty of violence that is the birthright of the human race. He has made the ultimate choice to fight his oppressors.

He has become you.
2013-02-08 04:28:47 PM
2 votes:
Elegy: stuff that which is good...

One bone to pick: Can we stop saying "cop-killer", as though it is extra bad to kill cops?
Isn't it enough he kills people? "Murderer" isn't enough here?
2013-02-08 03:57:49 PM
2 votes:
In 2012 there were 555 homicides in LA - about 45 per month.

While this case is certainly unique in many ways, the overwhelming response by law enforcement in an interesting phenomenon.

It seems that cops react differently when cops are targeted.

Asymmetrical indeed.
2013-02-08 03:41:29 PM
2 votes:

BronyMedic:
It seems like it's not just his mindset, though.

There have been plenty of FARKers in the past 900 pages which have cheered this guy on, or attempted to justify his actions or minimize them by saying "But, but LAPD..."

I think more than one person in this thread needs to seek serious psychological help for their sociopathic leanings.


There are some who cheer him on (welcometofark.jpg) but don't confuse those with people who think that the LAPD's heavy handed approach is ALSO a problem. They are BOTH serious problems, in my opinion. The LAPD has to answer for its inappropriate action, and this murderer must be caught or killed, the sooner the better. I think the bulk of the people here would agree with that.
2013-02-08 02:49:29 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Girion47: Considering his success in the Navy

He didn't kill anybody in high school either, guess that makes him a good guy.


It doesn't make him a liar, which is what you are accusing him to be.
Nobody says he is a "good" guy, except for him in his manifesto, where he doth protest too much about it. They are just saying that he is right about the LAPD's corruption, and that neither side is "good".
2013-02-08 01:52:11 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: LesserEvil: Popcorn Johnny is an obvious troll. What the "Multiple civilian witnesses" testified is that they didn't see the suspect get kicked. That's not the same as saying he didn't get kicked. What Popcorn Johnny stated is, at best, disingenuous. One would also hardly fault the suspect with mental issues to file a report against a member of the force that kicked him, particularly the LAPD.

Dorner claimed that his training officer kicked the suspect in the head while making the arrest.  There were multiple witnesses that said that wasn't true.   End of story, the suspect wasn't kicked, Dorner lied and was terminated.

So we should believe a father with dollar signs in his eyes that wasn't at the scene and only claimed his son had been abused well after the fact and when he learned that Dorner was making claims of abuse?

Nice trolling, cop hater.


Nice troll, but again, the witnesses saying they didn't see it is not the same as saying it didn't happen.

As for taking sides, I'm firmly on "neither" here. I'm sure there are a lot of honorable LAPD officers on the force. That doesn't mean there isn't corruption there. I don't hate the police, and I have several family members who are decorated LEOs at the local and state levels.

I personally don't want anybody else to be hurt in this mess. Three people have been shot at by the LAPD for driving trucks in the dark - that's not on the asshat Dorner, it's on the asshats who fired on them without following proper police procedure in order to exact vengeance on a guy who crossed the blue line.
2013-02-08 12:28:23 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Multiple civilian witnesses testified that the training officer did not kick the suspect nor did the suspect say anything about being kicked while receiving treatment. Dude is obviously lying and what rightly terminated.


The civilian witnesses were hotel employees whose jobs were on the line.  A lot of people have the mentality 'don't rock the boat'.  What would testifying against the Chupacabra woman have done for those employees?  As Dorner proves, rocking the boat just means you'll get kicked off that boat.

And there's more in what he wrote beyond her kicking a mentally challenged dude in the face and the only ones being willing to stand up to her and against that behavior are another cop and the dude's father.

Dorner was sick of the cavalier 'us' versus 'them' attitude of the force he joined.  Dorner actually bought the 'protect and serve' bullshiat.   He became disillusiond by all the nastiness, in attitude and in action, directed towards civilians by his fellow police officers.   This dude who has served this country gets to corrupt ass LAPD and tries to follow the rules -- and finds out that following the rules gets you canned.

Dorner follows all the rules, and meanwhile -- this is the important part -- he sees those who don't follow the rules, who do not act in the best interest of the community, he sees those people rise and rise high.  Dorner breaks.

Dorner is teling the truth in his letter, and the fact that the LAPD is willing to shoot to kill anyone no questions asked, they don't want him telling the truth.

At least, they don't want him telling the truth before they get all their own legal ducks in a row and stories all straightened out if the unheard of happens and they let him live to speak.
2013-02-08 12:04:12 PM
2 votes:

Kubo: A tip for all Farkers who claim to be unsure of which side they should be on in all this:

When in doubt, choose the side that hasn't voiced an intention to target and kill wives and children as a means to even some playing field.

Unless, of course, that would make you lose your edge. Then your hands are tied.


Read the manifesto.  Read what happened.  Read what he witnessed.  This is the purest example of "I don't condone, but I understand" for many, many people we've seen in years.  The net is overflowing with people who don't trust the LAPD's version of events and are angry at the media's handling (and that's from people who want him dead and people who sympathize with him).

As for you making it a 'either or' choice.... no fking way.  Right, choose the side which opens fire on innocent civilians, rams the cars of innocent civilians who look nothing like Dorner and whose trucks look nothing like Dorners.

No.

You'd make a great jurist for Simi Valley, though.
2013-02-08 11:46:30 AM
2 votes:
And all of this brings up a scary thought: Maybe it would be better if we did swap out police for soldiers.

I'm generally liberal in my thinking, though I am now a non-participant in the political process. I mention this so I don't get any accusations of being either a bleeding-heart Democrat or a fascist Republican. I am neither. I'm not a libertarian, either. I'm apolitical. All politicians at the national level are liars, self-serving scumbags, and tools of the corporate ruling class.

That being said, I've always been opposed to the idea of a nation policed by soldiers. I mean, it just sounds so  sinister  if you don't think about it. A bunch of soldiers keeping tabs on the civilians? It's Orwellian. It's the kind of thing you expect in a dictatorship, right?

But then we look at all these issues we're having with civilian cops. More and more, we're finding that putting guns and authority into the hands of the guys who gave weaker kids indian burns and wedgies in high school is a  bad thing.  More and more, we're finding out that the people who choose to be cops are mostly sociopaths and violent assholes who joined up because they like hurting people. More and more we learn that our police are  f♥cking idiots  who accidentally catch and harm the wrong people while letting the real criminals get away. Events like this one remind us that the police departments are, by and large, corrupt from the top down. Cops are a  gang  these days, and they look out for themselves a lot more than the look out for civilians.

Yeah, yeah. There are some good cops. Some idealistic people do join up. Dorners might have been one of these "good cops" when he got there, but he found out pretty quickly that the department was as much a criminal organization as the ones he was hoping to bust up. He learned, like we have numerous times, that the LAPD (and many other departments) was controlled and populated by sick, selfish, egomaniacal mental cases who had no intention of letting morality sneak into their long-standing system.

Now, I'm not saying soldiers are above reproach, or that they can't slip up or become corrupt themselves, but if you really look at the discipline and structure of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marines versus the discipline and structure of the civilian police departments, you can't help but notice that the military does tend to run a tighter ship, and they generally make sure that people within their ranks are properly disciplined when they step out of line. They make sure that protocols remain firmly in place. They do not like to be embarrassed by a soldier who treats civilians poorly. They do not like having their honor or integrity questioned because it is important to them. They remain physically fit and must be psychologically evaluated to remain within the ranks.

In short, they're everything police should be.

So maybe it wouldn't be so terrible to turn our police into a military organization. Maybe it would be right to train then and expect the kind of professionalism and honor we do from our soldiers. Maybe it would be good for them to report, via a chain of command, to superiors that lead up to the President of the United States? Maybe letting the Pentagon have control over our police wouldn't be such a horrible thing in this day and age.

The trick, of course, is making sure they know they serve us, and not the other way around. The trick with a military police force is keeping them from becoming our keepers instead of our protectors.

Either way, we clearly have problems with our police in this country. Our cops grow increasingly corrupt, and there's nobody who can clean up the departments because the police ARE the authority in any given city, county, or state.

For that matter, our justice system is a bit of a corrupt mess, too. Maybe it's time we made judges work for their jobs and be subject to standard at-will employment, instead of electing them into cushy seats where they can roost for decades. We've made the justice system so convoluted that civilians have little chance to protect themselves if they find themselves falsely arrested and accused.

I don't know what my point is here. I just think the police have failed us, and will only get worse as their ranks fill with more corrupt individuals who climb to the top and hire more sociopaths like themselves.

Because honestly: What despot wants to surround himself with sane, decent, honorable men?
2013-02-08 09:51:16 AM
2 votes:
Read this yesterday, it was a pretty strange read.  The guy doesn't come off as a raving lunatic, more like someone who just let something fester and fester in his head until it became a full blown revenge plot.  Maybe he WAS wronged, maybe he DOES have a valid point.  But whatever story he had to tell is going to be lost to the story of his murderous rampage now.
2013-02-08 09:07:41 AM
2 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: Bontesla:

Seems legit.

The car had it coming... or "going" as it were.

The vehicle was in the area of a protection detail dealing with a target who suggested using guerrilla tactics.  They were driving in the dark, passed up several homes in view of the detail, then pitched a parcel at the home of the protected.  They refused to ID, were running without lights, and proceeded to speed up as plainclothes came towards the car with guns and badges.

So yeah.  Not the smartest way to operate when you are delivering papers in the middle of the night.


So instead of flashing their lights and asking the truck to pull over and come out with hands up, they walk up to the car with guns drawn and start shooting it without looking at the occupants inside (which were female)?   Some mighty fine police work there.

/Chris Dorners is modern day superhero
//I hope he takes out those racist cops mentioned in manifesto before this is over
2013-02-08 08:50:52 AM
2 votes:

MagicMissile: 100 Watt Walrus: MagicMissile: Its ALWAYS a liberal gone crazy doing the shootings. ALWAYS.

You just keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Just keep ignoring facts and burying your head in the sand. Its what your kind does best.



Know how I know you didn't read the manifesto?

1/10
2013-02-08 06:59:17 AM
2 votes:
Holy crap! I just heard on the radio that police in some locality in California went all "OK Corral" on two women in a pickup truck. Even better, they claim that a truck that the article says was "of a different make, model, and color" was somehow "similar to" Dorner's!

Seriously, if you want to start disarming people in a meaningful way, start with the government- sponsored thugs first!
2013-02-08 06:52:44 AM
2 votes:
Sweet Jesus this thread is full of sociopathic assholes.
2013-02-08 06:37:56 AM
2 votes:

CuttySupreme: The Larch: CuttySupreme: I figured he would be a liberal.  I hope this makes the anti-gunner's heads explode in disbelief.

Were you surprised when you found out that he wasn't a liberal?

And, since I'm kind of slow, can you give me some clue what an "anti-gunner" and a "pro-gunner" are?

He is obviously a liberal.  He praises Dianne Feinstein, the AWB, Barack Obama, Ellen Degeneres,allowing women in combat, Trayvon Martin, a bunch of liberal journalists.

He also praised Dianne Feinstein and the new AWB and demonized Wayne LaPierre, which is ironic since he has several "assault rifles".

Anti-gunner = Pro gun control


Not ironic at all, when you look at the philosophy behind gun control.

Very few people are "anti-gun". They know they'll need guns to enforce laws, so they are really about centralizing power into a few hands.
Governments aren't in the habit of making money. Before they give, they first have to take. To give alot and build alot they need to take alot.
The idea of maximizing the relative power of a few goes hand in hand with maximizing their ability to "get things done".   Its an authoritarian mindset.

This guy abused his status as a cop to become a bully, a thug, and eventually a murderous vigilante. He's all about Authoritarianism, to the point of being tyrannical.

There isn't any irony in tying someones hands just so you can boss them around more efficiently. Especially if resistance is slowing thedevelopment of your personal utopia. If you are the one in charge (or agree with those who are) then it makes sense why you'd want all the guns.
It also makes sense why you'd complain when some company sells a matching trump card to the peasantry.
Its like a direct insult to your authority.
2013-02-08 05:29:58 AM
2 votes:

Kubo: A tip for all Farkers who claim to be unsure of which side they should be on in all this:

When in doubt, choose the side that hasn't voiced an intention to target and kill wives and children as a means to even some playing field.

Unless, of course, that would make you lose your edge. Then your hands are tied.


Is he crazy and doing bad things? absolutely
is the LAPD a corrupt entity? absolutely
he's killed a couple of innocent people already
so has the LAPD (although they probably do it on a near daily basis you just never hear about it)


this is one of those "both sides are bad" situations
2013-02-08 03:43:46 AM
2 votes:

ongbok: I would go with the second option. Think about it, he sent out his manifesto, got media attention with his killing spree, now people are talking about his manifesto and the accusations he has made. I'm willing to say that in his mind his job is done, and he knew once he killed those cops and the cops family, that he wouldn't ever live to speak his mind in front of a camera. Plus if he killed himself someplace where it would take a while to find his body, then the manhunt for him would continue to draw news coverege for a few more days, which in turn would keep people talking about his claims of corruption.


Can you imagine the mindfark to the targets listed in the manifesto if he did just nip off and shoot himself somewhere he won't be found? They'd have to live their entire lives never knowing if he was dead or was going to step out of the shadows someday and kill them or their family.

Actually, that might be his plan. If he actually wanted to go after them, he would have had to be an absolute idiot (or incredibly arrogant) to mention them in the manifesto. They've all had plenty of time to go into protective custody now and they're not going to come out for a while, whereas if he had went from target to target without raising attention there's a chance that nobody would have tied the killings to one another or figured out who he was until he was done. Maybe he's already killed the ones he really wanted to go after and just wanted to terrorize the rest. Or maybe those aren't really his targets.
2013-02-08 03:24:59 AM
2 votes:

doglover: The Larch: doglover: Can we deploy Special Ops on this guy as "a threat to national security" ?

I doubt we need to, but it would make for a good training mission to deploy against a trained guy with real weapons.

My understanding is that SpecOps leaves a lot of collateral damage.  They're not police officers.

If SpecOps was involved, those two elderly asian women delivering newspapers probably wouldn't have gone to the hospital.  And there would be a lot of other people who probably wouldn't go to the hospital, too.

There's Special Ops and then there's Special Ops.

I was thinking Sniper Scouts to find him. The vets call themselves HOG for hunter of gunman. Well, we have a gunman terrorizing one of our largest cities.


Actually there are several gunman, and they're wearing badges.  It's fked up this dude has to be hunted down, but the cops acting like trigger happy anti-civilian hard ons in the morning  and pussy stay in door anti-civilian cowards in the evening... they get a pass?:

Nah, man, that ain't right.  That ain't right at all.
2013-02-08 01:39:05 AM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Warlordtrooper: Would one of the resident cop apologists like to explain how murdering innocent people because they were driving the wrong kind of car is somehow acceptable police policy?

Who said it would be acceptable?


These days, any time a cop is frightened, nervous, or feels threatened they have the green light to blast caps at whatever has their pussy upset. It seems all of LAPD is scared and anyone is fair game..... after all, they are just defending themselves... those people looked liked they posed a threat.
2013-02-08 01:38:23 AM
2 votes:

Owangotang: Atypical Person Reading Fark: Owangotang: Talk about fairness and justice with obsessive attention to detail regarding your own experiences of being marginalized and shafted...

Make orphans?

It's not about fairness or justice at all to this asshole, it is pure narcissism. The world is unfair, dipsh*t. Get over it. Real men work to make it better.No one gives the tiniest mouse turd that you think Louis CK is awesome, you arrogant sack of monkey sh*t. I hope you die of hypothermia in the higher elevations as your asinine Rambo fantasy slips from your mind and you are filled with nothing but cold and quiet.

What's interesting, though, is that many of us encounter at least this degree of narcissism in some coworker or another on a daily basis - it's practically the new normal.

I'd argue it is most visible while driving to work. There is nothing wrong with narcissism itself, it's acting upon it that causes grief.


Yes, I agree about the driving to work part.  The tailgating at 89 mph, trying to force the target to go 95.  Freud said a certain degree of narcissism was healthy, but then, there's the malignant kind.

This guy's manifesto doesn't strike me as overly saturated with personality disorder or mental illness.  Surely, sometimes good people just go bonkers when they are constantly forced to contend with bad people.  This guy went way bonkers, though - those two kids who were shot in Irvine were killed in what they thought was a safe haven, far from any hint of crime, and only because one had a father who was a weakling and a toady.

I think the only hint of narcissism in the manifesto comes from his confidence that he can find and harm so many people.  Seems to me he's angrier at some of the others, other than Quan, but he knew how to find Quan's kid.  He actually uses the future tense a little too confidently.
2013-02-08 01:27:20 AM
2 votes:
Would one of the resident cop apologists like to explain how murdering innocent people because they were driving the wrong kind of car is somehow acceptable police policy?
2013-02-08 01:21:02 AM
2 votes:
Hopefully nobody finds him and the cops are looking over their shoulders for the rest of their corrupt lives.
2013-02-08 01:20:57 AM
2 votes:
90% of cops make the other 10% look bad.

I'm glad the at least one of the 10% finally stood up and called them out, even if it means costing him his life.

True change never comes with the spilling of some blood. Its not a good thing, but its the facts of being human. I really hope some good comes of this, however,  I have lost faith enough in the media and in government enough to know that it won't.
2013-02-08 01:18:37 AM
2 votes:

ongbok: Atypical Person Reading Fark: Coelacanth: I'm trying to figure out how this guy ditched his car in Big Bear and then escaped. It's been awhile since I've been there, but it's pretty much a white majority up there. Unless he stole or had another car stashed away up there, it would take him maybe a day or two to hike back down to Riverside.

If I were him, I'd have had cars stashed in a few places.

Or friends who live in the woods.

The guy has probably killed himself somewhere out in the woods.


I bet not.  But, at this point, as the cops keep saying endless "He could be anywhere."

Think of the nightmare for cops if they can't find his body.  A friend of mine disappeared in the National Forest near there 30 years ago, dog was found, body never found.  Is he really up there?  No one will ever know.

Cops be looking over their shoulders for months and years to come.  He knows where their kids to go school, where their wives work, and he wants them to suffer.  This is the crime of the so-far century, in my view.  But I'm easily stirred up by things like this.
2013-02-08 12:26:37 AM
2 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: The cops didn't shoot at a "random" vehicle.  They shot at a vehicle that matched a description of the suspect's, approaching them slowly with headlights off at 5:00 a.m., after something was thrown out of its window.  They aren't "willing to sacrifice more unrelated parties."  They're scared shiatless and trigger-happy.  I would be the same in their position.


The only way that truck was "approaching" anyone was if the newspaper delivery driver was driving in reverse.
2013-02-08 12:18:16 AM
2 votes:

GregoryD: I read the complaints filed against this training officer. Here is the tldr version:

Basically he alleges that his trainer kicked a mentally disabled man. Hotel employees didn't see the trainer kick the man.

The man's father said he said he was kicked shortly after the incident.

The trainer alleges that reason Dorner filed the complaint was because Dorner was doing poorly.

Both acknowledge they didn't get along very well.

----------

So it comes down to:

Do you believe the trainer and the hotel employees?

Or do you believe Dorner and the father of the mentally disabled man.


wait, what can possibly be gained by falsely accusing your trainer of kicking a suspect?
get yourself fired?
what could the hotel employee in LA possibly have for saying they didn't witness a police assault?
not get deported? and the witness didn't say he was never kicked. she said she went back inside before he was even cuffed.
2013-02-08 12:14:24 AM
2 votes:
Wow.

I agree; some of it does sound kind of "nutty" but man, some of his shiat is just...yeah. I think the nuttier parts are just someone who wants to get every thing in their head out because they're not going to get a chance to say it again. LAPD is in for one shiatstorm.

I feel kind of crazy because I realized I was shaking my head in agreement with a lot of it.  Christ.
2013-02-07 11:49:20 PM
2 votes:
Snotnose:I can't believe the news media hasn't picked up on the 2 trucks LAPD have shot.  There was 1 sentence about it in whatever I'm watching now (oh, I have the technology.  ABC World News), but during the 20 minute segment on this during the local news broadcast nary a word.

/ pretty happy at the moment I'm white


Of course there's not.  That would contradict the current narrative that the cops are all white knight do gooders that are only here for our protection!  If you start exposing them as the ruthless, trigger happy thugs that they are people might start to understand where this guy is coming from.
2013-02-07 11:33:00 PM
2 votes:
This is how the police are supposed to handle a suspected hostile vehicle.

Los Angeles County Deputies, not LAPD. No bullets fired.

The car had been falsely reported stolen by the driver's boyfriend after a fight

Overreaction? Not really, just procedure. Procedure the LAPD can't be bothered with, apparently.
2013-02-07 11:31:32 PM
2 votes:
Cops are only out to hurt people!? What the HELL?

Tell that to the CHP officers who got five star commendations from the governor of California for their
service during the 1977 windstorm.

Tell that to the two BPD officers who knocked on my door in 2006 when a neighbor heard me crying
in distress when I was severely ill, waited patiently on my doorstep for me to change from sleeping
clothes to street clothes, and took me to get the help I needed.

I'm never EVER happy when the cops turn into "pigs," and I get really angry when they turn corrupt.
But I've been lucky, I guess, to have had only good examples around me, and very few encounters
with the police at all.
2013-02-07 11:29:35 PM
2 votes:

spidermilk: What kind of crazy person is only sad about going on a suicidal rampage because they will miss The Hangover III?!??!

This whole story is pretty sad and scary. Also, the cops accidentally shooting women?? So this is normal for LAPD?


Yes.  I don't know where you live, but yes.  Perhaps this all started with the "old woman" killing (where the woman was shot for waving a fork or something - the officer could clearly see she was an old woman with a fork, everyone around her could see; like the ultimate victim in this story, she was schizophrenic.  Some people feel it's heart-breaking to see an elderly schizophrenic woman with a fork get killed point blank by a cop emptying his gun - some people said he should have used less than lethal force against that fork...but he did not).

That was just the beginning of a media highlit string of escapades (covered far better, btw, by the San Francisco papers than the Los Angeles ones).

It is very sad and scary.  Yet, this time, the people who are the most scared are different people than usual.  Even the cops I know are afraid of other cops, and when they stockpile weapons and you ask them why, they pretty much tell you they have two groups to fear:  criminals and cops.
2013-02-07 11:22:43 PM
2 votes:

thisisarepeat: A soldier that will not shoot through a human shield is not fit to serve. War is not fought as a series of domestic disturbances. Don't compare cops to soldiers. Soldiers just want themselves and their fellow soldiers to live once they have been dropped in a place where everyone wants to kill them. Cops drive around looking for someone to harm.


First, there is a pretty big difference between shooting through a human shield and maliciously including innocents in your war zone free-for-all.

Most of our wars are actually considered police actions. reconcile that with your perceptions on war. our current war (the longest in our history) currently revolves entirely around being and training a police force.

Soldiers and cops both want to go home after work alive and well. Also, they are not only comparable, depending on their mission they can be identical. Most people need to actually read the posse comitatus act, not just presume they understand what it says.

Your making broad generalizations and some pretty big leaps of logic. I'm as skeptical and distrusting of police as the next guy but you seem to be in the "all cops are bad" arena which is just ridiculous and ignorant out of anyone over the age of 13.
2013-02-07 11:20:46 PM
2 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Atypical Person Reading Fark: That LAPD would fired on TWO "innocent" cars in one manhunt is not surprising.  The LAPD act scared, maybe they have reason to be.  Their behavior is not, in general, good.  And I am a law abiding citizen.

I don't know so much if it's the LAPD are scared as that they're determined to fulfill at all costs this vengeful code of honour which decrees that alleged cop killers have to die before they're brought to trial, regardless of the risk to the general public. Why the hell do the rest of us put up with this nonsense? Have everyone's brains been addled by too many crime dramas on TV, so that most people think it acceptable for the police to do an end- run around due process in certain situations?

/but then again I am a conservative, and so a dangerous anti- government type


Well, I don't know what I am, but I am an anti-government type.  I don't think they were so scared before today - they're scared now.  Watching them go door to door tonight, with bullet proof vests and armored vehicles in residential neighborhoods is pathetic.  If someone else were at risk, they would not do any of this.

They do not know how to win the respect of the people, which is essential to their job.

I am two degrees from one his first victims (the male), as he was a student of someone I know well.  That's how the story broke first here, but their was something strange from the beginning about the handling of this story (by local police and journalists).

It looks to me like the men they have out in the street tonight stopping people at intersections and searching them (I see no women so far) are not their regular LAPD people.  They have called in the reserves and the reserves look uncomfortable (police from stations outside the LA area, who see little of this kind of action).

I wonder if the Federal drones are on the way.  Stay tuned.
2013-02-07 11:15:34 PM
2 votes:

supershaft: LesserEvil: Also, I have no idea where Farkers are getting info on the newspaper deliver girl shootings, but I can't find any reference on how many officers were involved. For all we know, it was a lone officer (who reloaded 3 times).

If you have more info, please share the link... I haven't seen a single word on the victims of those shootings (and they were victims of the LAP

Here's one story;  http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=8 9 84352

I read a more detailed story earlier which I can't find right now but it went something like;
Two LA Cops were sitting in a car in Torrance assigned to provide security to presumably either a cop named in the manifesto or a member of a cops family. While sitting there, the bright blue toyota truck drove down the street delivering newspapers in the early am. The police opened fire, I did not see an article that went into detail of how or why, while that was going down, two regular torrance cops responded to a call for backup from the two LA cops, while on the way they had a collision with another pickup truck, this time a honda ridgeline, within a few blocks of the call. Theses second officers thought the honda was the truck in question and opened fire. Two women were wounded from the blue toyota and apparently nobody was injured from the honda shooting.


OK, so TWO cops unloaded 30 rounds on the truck... they have 15 round magazines I guess.

As I said above, I have to take the condition of the victims and the cops' stories with a grain of salt. Things simply don't add up in the face of simple logic.

This whole mess is tragic from every angle. Disturbed ex-cop goes off the deep end and starts killing, the LAPD respond as if they are the bad guys in some 80s action movie. The Feds and State need to get in there and get things under control.
2013-02-07 11:12:20 PM
2 votes:
InitialCommentGuy: LookForTheArrow: Kittypie070:
Wasn't YOUR side of the aisle cheering on the so called Second Amendment solutions and screaming for a revolution against the oppressive gubmint and death panels awhile back?


Yes, yes they were. But what they meant was when happens to  foreigners liberals black people conservatives someone other than me.

So much straw blowing around.

I am embarrassed to be a liberal after seeing how far the ideology has fallen into snapping cattiness and idiocy.


brojsimpson.com

Uh, meow?

That's real funny, cuz you don't sound like a liberal to me. You sound like a blowhard.
2013-02-07 11:08:07 PM
2 votes:

SubBass49: InitialCommentGuy: thisisarepeat: he was terminated for turning in superior officers

And so what did he do in the next five years after that?  Because termination -> murderer doesn't jibe well.

I'm gonna guess that his life spiraled out of control after that.  He lost his military career/clearance after they caught wind of his LAPD firing (according to his manifesto).  This completely farked his life.  I completely understand everything he's done with the exception of targeting family members of the people that wronged him.  Someone's kids should always be off limits, no matter what.


I agree, but in a paramilitary organization like the police, they're taught to do whatever they have to do to accomplish an objective.  Kids in Afghanistan are not "off limits," nor in many other places in the world - people are that pissed off.

A lot of people are pissed off at the LAPD, this guy simply is one of those with absolutely nothing to lose.  When you take everything from a person (everything) and, in the course of their career, make it very hard for them to have a regular (civilian-type) life, you're playing with fire already.

Today's paramilitary and military managers are pathetically narcissistic, promoted endlessly for no reason at all, with certain gangster like tendencies.  It's well known.
2013-02-07 11:06:29 PM
2 votes:

Atypical Person Reading Fark: He set a big wheel in motion.


I highly doubt it.  You couldnt clean up the corruption in a place like L.A with a 100 foot tidal wave of borax and scouring pads.  A bit that i didnt even know and was pointed out in the TLDRmanifesto was that the two main characters of the Rodney King beatings, still cops, now in positions of real power on the force.

That sound like a system that can be saved?
2013-02-07 11:05:57 PM
2 votes:

MurphyMurphy: thisisarepeat: For a Murphy, you don't know much about war.

I can tell you from experience, there are soldiers and cops out there that hold themselves to a higher code.

I still hold high expectations, as Americans we should always be expecting better.

It's left me cynical. But as the saying goes; show me a cynic and I'll show you a disappointed idealist.


A soldier that will not shoot through a human shield is not fit to serve.  War is not fought as a series of domestic disturbances.  Don't compare cops to soldiers.  Soldiers just want themselves and their fellow soldiers to live once they have been dropped in a place where everyone wants to kill them.  Cops drive around looking for someone to harm.
2013-02-07 11:04:19 PM
2 votes:

Atypical Person Reading Fark: That LAPD would fired on TWO "innocent" cars in one manhunt is not surprising.  The LAPD act scared, maybe they have reason to be.  Their behavior is not, in general, good.  And I am a law abiding citizen.

What a story.

He is fighting corruption because, due to his actions, at least one corrupt higher-up will be examined and curtailed.  Too bad it takes that much to accomplish it.  I strongly suspect that many careers will be ruined by this, and of course, entire lives.  I am guessing that the manifesto is correct in some respects:  that other cops know something of which he speaks.  He set a big wheel in motion.


Unfortunately, I think it's more likely that after killing him, the LAPD will issue a statement saying that he was delusional and there was no basis for any of his claims.

/not a "cop-hater"
2013-02-07 10:59:40 PM
2 votes:

thisisarepeat: For a Murphy, you don't know much about war.


I can tell you from experience, there are soldiers and cops out there that hold themselves to a higher code.

I still hold high expectations, as Americans we should always be expecting better.

It's left me cynical. But as the saying goes; show me a cynic and I'll show you a disappointed idealist.
2013-02-07 10:59:35 PM
2 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: thisisarepeat: he was terminated for turning in superior officers

And so what did he do in the next five years after that?  Because termination -> murderer doesn't jibe well.


I'm gonna guess that his life spiraled out of control after that.  He lost his military career/clearance after they caught wind of his LAPD firing (according to his manifesto).  This completely farked his life.  I completely understand everything he's done with the exception of targeting family members of the people that wronged him.  Someone's kids should always be off limits, no matter what.
2013-02-07 10:54:16 PM
2 votes:

NewportBarGuy: LesserEvil: All three of them exercised poor judgment

Not being there, and not having any f*cking clue what happened aside from supposition, I'd just choose to hear what the board finds in their after action report. If it's unjustified, fire them and put them on trial.

Once that first round goes off, you and the people next to you just unload. That may not be procedure, but it's instinctive and if they were trained in the military, that is the first thing they learned. Shoot until you see nothing moving.

I'm not making any excuses for anyone. I'm just trying to be realistic.


There are procedures. They did not positively identify the vehicle, and they fired on it. Negligent in the best of light, criminally negligent without much effort.

They also found his vehicle this morning:
img2u.info
...yet they still have an alert out. Worse, they don't even know what his license plate number is (I guess they don't have access to DMV records, more of the excellent police work)

These guys are incompetent at best. Evil at worst.

Also, I have no idea where Farkers are getting info on the newspaper deliver girl shootings, but I can't find any reference on how many officers were involved. For all we know, it was a lone officer (who reloaded 3 times).

If you have more info, please share the link... I haven't seen a single word on the victims of those shootings (and they were victims of the LAPD).
2013-02-07 10:53:13 PM
2 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: ExperianScaresCthulhu: What path should he take?  When all else fails, what are more constructive ways to fight evil and corruption when your name is ruined by the very system which is supposed to represent justice?  You're right, shooting folks ain't the way.

But neither is giving up and giving in and letting go.  There has to be a constructive way to fight and be heard.  But maybe there isn't. Maybe he's doing his squeaky wheel thing.

Five years is a long time to suffer in silence while evil prospers.  You know what I mean?

No one wins :(

What specifically has he actually done during this time other than writing a pile of drivel which will go down as his manifesto?  How did he attempt to fight corruption?


he was terminated for turning in superior officers
2013-02-07 10:23:26 PM
2 votes:

Jclark666: Amos Quito: I, for one, believe that the LAPD will learn a VALUABLE LESSON from this episode: Don't fire whistle-blowers.


Kill them.

It's like they've never seen <i>Training Day</i>.



goddammit I hate the new comments box so much
2013-02-07 10:21:56 PM
2 votes:

LesserEvil: It looks like they reloaded their pistols several times. Nope, nothing like an assassination squad might do.


I count about 30 holes. That is one full clip from each officer.

Try again?
2013-02-07 10:21:55 PM
2 votes:

beta_plus: Most Farkers would happily kill the children of their enemies if they could do so with impunity.  They are not a group of well adjusted people.


To the extent that this is true, it's more a reflection on the state of our society and the deep hatred that many Americans feel towards those who are unlike them -- especially in political orientation -- and towards those who have wronged them in even some trivial way in the past. Fark is just a mirror on that society, albeit a kind of funhouse mirror where things are unreasonably magnified to reflect the introversion and obsessiveness of its posters.
2013-02-07 10:13:46 PM
2 votes:
Wow. I got that initialcommentdouchebag off of my feed and 50 something posts freed up.....lol


/hmmmmm
2013-02-07 10:08:11 PM
2 votes:

fredklein: Greywar: Are most cops good. Yup.

Then why don't they arrest the bad ones??


Well they are increadibly outnumbered.  Because the first statement is blatantly false.  When you include corrupt cops, also include the enablers who allow corrupt cops.  That would bring us to about 99% of the police force. You are either a corrupt cop or know the cops around you who ARE corrupt.  Why are they not arresting the corrupt cops who are harming the citizens they have "sworn" to protect?

Cops swearing "To protect and serve" is as much of a joke pledge as "do no harm" is for doctors.   Any person taking either cops or doctors seriously on anything hasn't seen the world through an honest eye.
2013-02-07 10:04:33 PM
2 votes:
OK, I just realized two things.

This is what they refer to when they talk about a 'Second Amendment Solution"

And

The Second Amendment pretty much guarantees you the right to kill almost anyone you think needs killing. Granted, there are usually consequences, but the odds are pretty good that you can take out at least one, and probably more than one, person you think needs killing.
2013-02-07 09:55:55 PM
2 votes:

fredklein: Greywar: Are most cops good. Yup.

Then why don't they arrest the bad ones??


Today you are seeing why.
2013-02-07 09:44:11 PM
2 votes:
Seriously, literally delete the entire main page. fark this piece of shiat thread.
2013-02-07 09:39:08 PM
2 votes:
So fark is all about hating on cops and the constant injustice they ditch out, but when someone finally stands up to them in the only avenue we really have left since they hold all the power, fark calls him a crazy nutjob?  Makes perfect sense.

/hey man
//nice shot
///go kill some more pigs
2013-02-07 09:38:48 PM
2 votes:

occamswrist: Pincy: Wow, the guy is all over the place.  Can he pick a few talking points and stick to them please.

I like how he supports an assault weapons ban but then promises to run around killing people with all of his firearms.


Thats why there is no looser here.  Cop? check, piece of shiat that thinks only HE should be able to carry a firearm? check

The only reason I don't want him dead right now is that he's killing cops/cops families.  No, cop families don't necessarily deserve to die for the sins of their cop, but cops certainly target the loved ones of their suspects.  Bottom line, it sucks that its gone this far, but you cant vilify a man for using the same tactics against cops families that cops would use against yours if you dont kiss their ass.
2013-02-07 09:37:17 PM
2 votes:

Greywar: He is doing asymmetrical warfare, and if he is even moderately successful other people will choose to target cops instead of random folks, Thats whats freaking the cops out, plus the whole targeting their families (a classic insurrectionist asymmetrical warfare move).  What if people are finally tired of corrupt cops, and everyone who KNOWS that they were setup and their life ruined by a cop....decides to go after them and their families?  It would be insane.


Like many people who've read Dorner's manifesto I can't help but feel a sneaking sympathy with his opinions, even as I detest his actions: he clearly saw and was willing to identify a moral corruption in the LAPD that he couldn't do anything about, but which he knew was dangerous to the functioning of a well- ordered society because it eroded the faith that people are supposed to have in the authorities. That being said, the worst kind of moral corruption is to target innocents, and he has done exactly that by going after his colleague's family. That is not justice, but an equal and opposite kind of corruption. It's a shame, too, because reading Dorner's words one can discern a misapplied intelligence that could have been put to better use elsewhere -- now he'll simply end up being killed by the police and eventually forgotten.
2013-02-07 09:28:14 PM
2 votes:

Kaenneth: Matching the description of his vehicle or not dosn't really matter, He's probably smart enough to not drive his own car around right now...

I wouldn't be surprised if someone (aside from Dorner) who has a grudge against the LAPD were to take this chance to kill a few cops, since they have the best chance to away with it right now, as Dorner will probably end up dead and unable to say he didn't do that particular one.



Yeah, like LAPD cops ridding their ranks of more potential "squealers".
2013-02-07 09:24:37 PM
2 votes:
He spouts the same opinions as many Farkers. Farkers being Farkers, rather than question their beliefs and views lift up this man as a hero. If he were white and a tea partier you folks would be itching to put the bullet in him yourselves.. It is really weird to watch.
2013-02-07 09:17:33 PM
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: I_C_Weener: Having skimmed the "manifesto" here are my impressions:

1.  He feels he was wrongly forced out of the LAPD for being a whistle blower.
2.  He lists numerous instances of misconduct that if true should result in a lot of firings.  He gives details that can be verified by the media.
3.  He is for gun control.
4.  He hates Zimmerman.
5.  He thinks that Charlie Sheen "rocks"

Ah, the clarity of the insane.

See, you are getting a glimpse into the mind of a liberal.


Relax.  Go flamewar somewhere else.
2013-02-07 09:09:13 PM
2 votes:

pyrotek85: BSABSVR:

People (armed) without uniforms running from the shadows at you in the wee hours! Who wouldn't stop and have a chat?

It's not that you disagree, it's that you're a dishonest shiat. It's sad but not shocking you can't tell the difference.

It's not even like it was Dorner they were firing on and they got a little too giddy about it. They obviously didn't even verify a target before shooting.


The sad thing is, it was probably one cop who was overly high strung who shot, then everyone else went in instinct.

The tragic thing is these two women's deaths are the type of thing this guy was trying to expose before he list his shiat an decided to become worse than what he hated.

The worst thing is that a month from now, it will be about the heroic LAPD stopping a madman, and the rest of the casualties will be mostly lost to history.
2013-02-07 08:56:37 PM
2 votes:

Begoggle: bogey: Begoggle: bogey: Begoggle: bogey: Begoggle: LOL yeah right. Whatever. Why you white-knighting Drew?

Drew makes me feel all warm and squishy inside. That, and the fact that you are full of shiat.

LOL except I'm not.
Hell, you can read this very thread with all the cop hate.  Can't you?

And not one word from Drew.
You are full of shiat.

You're right, I shouldn't have said that about Drew.
Like I said, he probably just likes the hits/ad revenue that such threads bring.

He probably does like to make more money rather than less. The problem is, if he didn't post threads about a major story like this we'd have some other wackadoodle in here biatching about him ignoring it.

Well THREE threads about this were posted already.  A bit excessive yes?
Plus I doubt anyone would be biatching about ignoring half the anti-cop threads that get posted - some cop in some city called someone a bad word... GREENLIGHT!!!


And they all seem to have been busy threads. People want to talk about this.
I  guess you could try Farkback and explain why you shouldn't be subjected to links to stories lots of other people want to talk about. Drew's very wise and understanding. I'm sure he would offer you several brilliant suggestions on how to fix your problem.
2013-02-07 08:56:08 PM
2 votes:
i94.photobucket.com
2013-02-07 08:54:34 PM
2 votes:

IamAwake: Bontesla: Not at all. Dorner knows he's going to destroy families once he exposes the corruption. In his manifesto - he urges his enemies to come clean with their families. He seems to be indicating that he doesn't intend on killing them.

err...except he said this:

"I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I'm terminating yours.  Quan, Anderson, Evans, and BOR members Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead."

Seems a little, um, like he was planning on killing their kids.


Seriously. When you farkbags root for him, you accept that cops kids are fair game.

That is despicable bullshiat, Bontesla.
2013-02-07 08:54:27 PM
2 votes:

utah dude: uh... 11,400 words... can someone read it for me and summarize? i'm much too busy looking at pictures of cats.


Summary in less than 40 words:

"LAPD is corrupt and racist.  I'm going to kill as many of them as I can before they take me down.  Also, here's a long list of people I like: (long list of people he likes)"
2013-02-07 08:54:18 PM
2 votes:
Obama needs to send in the national guard, order the LAPD to stand down, and declare the city under martial law until this is sorted out. There are no more innocents.
2013-02-07 08:46:58 PM
2 votes:

Amos Quito: No where near as dangerous as the crazed mob that's hunting him


While on overtime ka ching . Lot of Officers going to have a new boat this summer.
2013-02-07 08:43:53 PM
2 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: HindiDiscoMonster:

I know my first reaction when being shot at would be to stop and ask the shooter why they are shooting at me... O.o

Those cops just asked me to pull over.  Well, I'm not sure, maybe I should drive away as quickly as possible.

Sorry, but the people decided to attempt to evade for whatever their reasons are.  They chose the wrong time to try to evade.


you know how i know you have never delivered a paper?

hint 1: it's hard to tell what someone is wearing at night with no headlights
hint 2: they (the victims) may not have spoken perfect english and as such may not have understood the commands being yelled at them
hint 3: when unknown persons pointing something roughly gun shaped at you in LA you flee unless you want to die that is
2013-02-07 08:37:03 PM
2 votes:

Bontesla: Mitrovarr: Bontesla: They're obviously dead. The question is by whom and for what?
It's equally plausible that the daughter has been helping Dorner collect evidence of corruption ever since he left the PD. He finally lands the "smoking gun" - which unfortunately implicates the daughter's father. She didn't expect this and tips her father that Dorner knows and he wants to expose the scandal. The father tips his co-conspirators who decide to tie up all the loose ends framing and discrediting Dorner.

Dorner hears about this on Sunday/Monday and freaks. He starts mailing out packages to famous people in the media (like Anderson Cooper) and starts running.

Naturally this is purely speculative. I'm saying that the story fits all of the evidence we have and is a plausible alternative to the narrative we're hearing about. In fact - it's slightly more plausible then a guy coming after someone's daughter for an incident that happened three years ago.

Doesn't make sense given the manifesto. If that had happened he would have been less 'grar I'm coming after your kids' and more 'holy crap these people are dangerous they murder their own children to silence them'.

Not at all. Dorner knows he's going to destroy families once he exposes the corruption. In his manifesto - he urges his enemies to come clean with their families. He seems to be indicating that he doesn't intend on killing them.


Uh no. In his manifesto he specifically says he's going after their family members.
2013-02-07 08:31:05 PM
2 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: I wish he'd just found an eager young, idealistic journalist, and laid out these complaints for him/her. Then he might actually have affected some kind of change in the LAPD


no, not so much.  I know a very capable journalist, whom I've talked to about being sexually assaulted by LAPD last year.  She's working with a few other people who also were.  I've pretty much decided to just let it go, since about a week later the Orange County crap happened, and I knew that it would just mean countless months of my time, harrassment, etc - and I'd accomplish absolutely nothing.  I'll talk to a couple journalists, sure, but they won't get anywhere.  I wouldn't get anywhere if I tried, either.  I stay out of LA - and OC, too - as much as I can now.

I do think it's cute you still believe in the press, though!
2013-02-07 08:30:54 PM
2 votes:
What I should have done, was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in his skull and Officer Magana's skull.

And that's where he lost me.  The words were all more or less spelled correctly up to that point, even if they weren't used correctly (he says spurned when he means spurred).  It got iffy when he said he lunged over the seat and tried to strangle the n-word guy.

Kids, let's see where he went wrong.

Other Cop: n*****, n*****, n*****, n*****, n*****
This Guy: Please don't say that word, it's offensive.
Other Cop: I'll say it when I want to say it.

Measured response: You're on report, shiat-for-brains, and I'm going to make it a point not to like you.
His response: "You have failed me for the last time!" *choke*
His ideal response: BOOM!  Headshot.

Also, that much attention to detail concerning exactly which type of bullet and powder load (I'm assuming that's what the grain-stuff is) is kinda eerie.  Also, the way he phrases it makes it sound like he was going to use the same bullet for each skull.  That's economical.
2013-02-07 08:30:23 PM
2 votes:
The LAPD shot 47 people in just 2011.

Chris Dorners - 3
LAPD -  ∞
2013-02-07 08:29:53 PM
2 votes:
So, what percentage of people are rooting for the ex-cop?
2013-02-07 08:29:33 PM
2 votes:

Bontesla: They're obviously dead. The question is by whom and for what?
It's equally plausible that the daughter has been helping Dorner collect evidence of corruption ever since he left the PD. He finally lands the "smoking gun" - which unfortunately implicates the daughter's father. She didn't expect this and tips her father that Dorner knows and he wants to expose the scandal. The father tips his co-conspirators who decide to tie up all the loose ends framing and discrediting Dorner.

Dorner hears about this on Sunday/Monday and freaks. He starts mailing out packages to famous people in the media (like Anderson Cooper) and starts running.

Naturally this is purely speculative. I'm saying that the story fits all of the evidence we have and is a plausible alternative to the narrative we're hearing about. In fact - it's slightly more plausible then a guy coming after someone's daughter for an incident that happened three years ago.


Doesn't make sense given the manifesto. If that had happened he would have been less 'grar I'm coming after your kids' and more 'holy crap these people are dangerous they murder their own children to silence them'.
2013-02-07 08:24:56 PM
2 votes:
Seems like a pretty normal guy. But lost his marbles. I probably wouldn't sleep well knowing he mentioned my name.


i452.photobucket.com
2013-02-07 08:24:46 PM
2 votes:

noheadphones: Zoth: Probably not, since he likely condones murder in the name of vengeance, being a cop and all.  That's your logic anyway.

I suspect he feels differently about it when it's his loved ones getting targeted. (Unless the cop is the one doing the targeting of his own loved ones. They've got quite the problem with domestic violence, it seems.)

They always do.

Cops are awesome at justifying their own crimes while they nitpick at others.

You are justifying vengeance and acting above the law and yet decry it at the same time.   Not a bad troll though.  8/10


"If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for the law: it invites every man to become a law unto himself, it invites anarchy."  SCOTUS Justice Louis D,. Brandeis.
2013-02-07 08:24:18 PM
2 votes:

Mitrovarr: Bontesla: I've yet to see any damning evidence that he's killed the daughter/fiance.

What's the alternative? They're not dead? Someone else killed them at the very same moment this guy released his manifesto and went on the run? Someone else killed them and he took credit? Short of conspiracy theory territory, I just don't see any other reasonable possibility than him having done it. I mean, he says he's going after their families in the manifesto.


They're obviously dead. The question is by whom and for what?
It's equally plausible that the daughter has been helping Dorner collect evidence of corruption ever since he left the PD. He finally lands the "smoking gun" - which unfortunately implicates the daughter's father. She didn't expect this and tips her father that Dorner knows and he wants to expose the scandal. The father tips his co-conspirators who decide to tie up all the loose ends framing and discrediting Dorner.

Dorner hears about this on Sunday/Monday and freaks. He starts mailing out packages to famous people in the media (like Anderson Cooper) and starts running.

Naturally this is purely speculative. I'm saying that the story fits all of the evidence we have and is a plausible alternative to the narrative we're hearing about. In fact - it's slightly more plausible then a guy coming after someone's daughter for an incident that happened three years ago.
2013-02-07 08:23:21 PM
2 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Agarista: I cannot condone murder.  Murder for revenge over a career lost is disgusting.
Some tiny tiny part of me keeps trying to root for this guy, though.

Like I said two threads down, Dorner must have though, "If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em" ...at least in terms of tactics.

I cannot defend his actions, nor the actions of the police who shot at random trucks.
The best end is to have him stand trial before all he has harmed and accused, so they may testify as well. It does seem like the police are not willing to let that happen, and are willing to sacrifice more unrelated parties to prevent it from happening.  Let's hope my presumption turns out to be incorrect.

Dorne's gonna die in a hail of bullets.  He's gonna die because he wants to die, and the cops are happy to oblige him.

The cops didn't shoot at a "random" vehicle.  They shot at a vehicle that matched a description of the suspect's, approaching them slowly with headlights off at 5:00 a.m., after something was thrown out of its window.  They aren't "willing to sacrifice more unrelated parties."  They're scared shiatless and trigger-happy.  I would be the same in their position.


Neither truck matched the description at all. One was a blue Chevy pickup, the other was a black Honda king cab. The Honda was rammed and then riddled with bullets, and unlike most stories, we have no idea what happened to the passengers in those vehicles.

The LAPD is on a rampage.

There are procedures for dealing with known hostile occupants of vehicles. The LAPD have to deal with it all the time... none of those procedures involve what we've seen.
2013-02-07 08:15:37 PM
2 votes:

styckx: The only time I remember such a large sway of the country completely terrified of one person was when the D.C. shiat was happening..  This guy isn't going after innocents entirely but it's clear he really has no concern for the well being of anyone as long as he takes his targets out.


Has it been independently established that he caused collateral damage, or is it possible that the LAPD is blaming unrelated killings on him to garner more public support? It wouldn't be the first time the cops lied to the public.

I'd missed this story until now, being distracted by the impending blizzard here and other matters.
2013-02-07 08:15:31 PM
2 votes:

Bontesla: I've yet to see any damning evidence that he's killed the daughter/fiance.


What's the alternative? They're not dead? Someone else killed them at the very same moment this guy released his manifesto and went on the run? Someone else killed them and he took credit? Short of conspiracy theory territory, I just don't see any other reasonable possibility than him having done it. I mean, he says he's going after their families in the manifesto.
2013-02-07 08:12:02 PM
2 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: Bontesla: Solution? Shoot the car! Attack the car!

Yes. That's the solution.

You are currently being hunted by someone who knows squad tactics, urban warfare, guerrilla and gangland attack methods.  A vehicle without lights rounds the corner, kills the lights, matches the description at a distance of your stalker, slow rolls your house...

That's Drive By 101, followed by short stop, fire, and get out ASAP.  The target stops, pitches out an unidentified package, then refuses to stop when approached by officers and attempts to flee.

That's completely normal behavior.  Yep, nothing suspicious there, and hell we should just continue our approach with guns in holsters with absolutely no offensive threat.

They refused identification and attempted to leave.  Was it the best response? No.  Was it a viable response? Yeah, sorry, it was.


Hoooleeeeshiatballs. You are farking nuts.  I hope you are just trolling.
2013-02-07 08:11:56 PM
2 votes:
Who drew first blood?

Lots of interesting points in the beginning, but it turned into one of those Academy Award speeches where the music is playing and the recipient is still thanking people towards the end.
2013-02-07 08:11:45 PM
2 votes:
This guy has mental issues and I hope he's held responsible for his recent actions.

With that said, I hope the LAPD burns and burns brightly.
2013-02-07 08:01:06 PM
2 votes:

Begoggle: Not to many Farkers.
There's a reason they greenlit 3 articles about it already.
Drew & his fellows have been anti-cop for years now.


It's the top story on every news site right now.

I seem to remember a lot of recent greenlit stories about Twinkies.
Is Fark anti-Twinkie? I doubt it.
2013-02-07 08:00:34 PM
2 votes:
Who needs a semi-auto rifle with 30 bullets? Anyone on this guys shiat list.
2013-02-07 07:59:47 PM
2 votes:

Begoggle: bogey: Begoggle: Langston: Honestly, it's really freaking long and is all over the map. There's a big bit up front about his specific reasons for why he's angry at the LAPD and the officers that (he says) turned on him, but then it rambles all over the place. Politics, friendships, shiat that happened to him in middle school, missing the third installment of the Hangover...

I feel badly that his live was screwed up like this, and I don't know how much of it is other people's fault and how much of it is his fault. I do know that a gun rampage and threats to kill other people and their families has a way of undermining everything he said about his moral compass.

Sadly, the last of the blood hasn't been shed here.

Not to many Farkers.
There's a reason they greenlit 3 articles about it already.
Drew & his fellows have been anti- bad cop for years now.

FTFY

But to them, every cop is a bad cop.
FTFY.


You really believe Drew is some kind of rabid cop hater? You've been here nearly as long as I have and I can't think of one single thing the man has ever said to even remotely support that assertion. If you have quotes I'd love to see them.
2013-02-07 07:59:30 PM
2 votes:

Begoggle: Zoth: Molavian: Begoggle: Zoth: Strange to find myself rooting for a cop. Hmm.... ex-cop, that is.

You are sick.

Right?  The guy is clearly a gun-grabber.

Well, I'll admit that Dorners sort of lost points for that.

But as far wreaking bloody unholy vengeance on the LAPD,  he's got my full moral support.


So you're glad he killed 3 people - morally you support him killing more.
Wow.
Wow.


You morally support the troops - morally you support them killing people.
2013-02-07 07:53:54 PM
2 votes:
I can empathize with him to a degree.
It was hard for me as a teenager to adjust to the lack of justice and "karma" in reality.
This man was likely a great person, pushed over the edge by a world he wasn't willing to accept.

Although, he lost me towards the end though with the shoutouts. Perhaps that's the "crazy" part of him.
2013-02-07 07:51:28 PM
2 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: Amos Quito:
Christopher Dorner's Anderson Cooper Package: Los Angeles Shooting Suspect Mailed Parcel To CNN Host (VIDEO)

I do NOT condone what Dorner has done, but a few days ago CNN would have ignored this "parcel".

They won't now.

Yes.  CNN would have ignored a treatise on systematic corruption in the LAPD including names, dates, and times of felonies.  They would have never investigated such a package at all.

This disconnect required to believe this is staggering.



LOL!

You think outfits like CNN don't get boatloads of bullshiat from "nutbars" every farking day?

What makes you think they'd pay some disgruntled fired cop any mind?
2013-02-07 07:50:21 PM
2 votes:
I cannot condone murder.  Murder for revenge over a career lost is disgusting.
Some tiny tiny part of me keeps trying to root for this guy, though.

Like I said two threads down, Dorner must have though, "If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em" ...at least in terms of tactics.

I cannot defend his actions, nor the actions of the police who shot at random trucks.
The best end is to have him stand trial before all he has harmed and accused, so they may testify as well. It does seem like the police are not willing to let that happen, and are willing to sacrifice more unrelated parties to prevent it from happening.  Let's hope my presumption turns out to be incorrect.
2013-02-07 07:47:36 PM
2 votes:

TomD9938: Everything else bieng equal, would this guy be such a FARK-Hero if he were white?


Would you have typed that if you weren't white?
2013-02-07 07:43:36 PM
2 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: Amos Quito:
Christopher Dorner's Anderson Cooper Package: Los Angeles Shooting Suspect Mailed Parcel To CNN Host (VIDEO)

I do NOT condone what Dorner has done, but a few days ago CNN would have ignored this "parcel".

They won't now.

Yes.  CNN would have ignored a treatise on systematic corruption in the LAPD including names, dates, and times of felonies.  They would have never investigated such a package at all.

This disconnect required to believe this is staggering.


I don't know. I can see them ignoring it. They ignore all sorts of shiat, even stuff like that.
2013-02-07 07:32:27 PM
2 votes:
The only time I remember such a large sway of the country completely terrified of one person was when the D.C. shiat was happening..  This guy isn't going after innocents entirely but it's clear he really has no concern for the well being of anyone as long as he takes his targets out.
2013-02-07 07:30:29 PM
2 votes:

Amos Quito: lack of warmth: RaiderFanMikeP: LL Cool J will play him in the movie

I almost wonder if he thinks he is LL Cool J playing himself in the movie about him.  Stated in another way, he watched waaay too many movies.   If any of the corruption he stated is true, this is not how to handle it.

What would you have suggested?


He could have written a tell-all book, gone to the media, made numerous youtube videos, started a blog and a podcast, and gotten the word out. It might have started changes, maybe. This won't.
2013-02-07 07:26:59 PM
2 votes:

NewportBarGuy: I'm not reading all that sh*t.


It's actually somewhat interesting.  When I clicked I thought I'd just skim it to judge the kook level, but I ended up reading prolly 2/3 of it.

/ guy reminds me of Stevie King
// needs a farking editor
2013-02-07 07:26:47 PM
2 votes:
I saw this movie before, innocent/honest cop gets set up by dirty cops.

/There's two sides two this story
2013-02-07 07:22:29 PM
2 votes:

zvoidx: I guess the suspect posted it...but what proof is there he wrote it, it's just text.
His Facebook page?

Am I claiming something afoul?
No, I'm just asking what proof there is that this guy wrote it


i47.tinypic.com
2013-02-07 07:21:51 PM
2 votes:

Corn_Fed: Having read the manifesto, which seems pretty clear-headed, and details real allegations of very serious corruption and racism within LAPD, am I wrong to want this guy to achieve some of his objectives?



Considering he likely murdered innocent people during this rampage... Sorry, but yes. Yes, it's wrong.

And can we PLEASE stop giving these people the attention they want? It only encourages other psychos to lash out similarly.
2013-02-07 07:17:04 PM
2 votes:

Corn_Fed: Having read the manifesto, which seems pretty clear-headed, and details real allegations of very serious corruption and racism within LAPD, am I wrong to want this guy to achieve some of his objectives?


Yes.
2013-02-07 07:09:29 PM
2 votes:
LL Cool J will play him in the movie
2013-02-10 04:17:08 AM
1 votes:

khyberkitsune: And she's an LAPD cop - his stated farking target. Ain't no innocence there, you ignorant piece of brony crap.


upload.wikimedia.org

Monica Quan is NOT a cop. She has a degree in exercise and sport science, and she's an assistant NCAA coach. It is tradition in some departments, if you're telling the truth, to bury a child of a police officer with that officer's badge.

Nothing you say is going to be taken at face value. Absolutely nothing. Either post the proof that she was a "secret police officer", which is not being reported ANYWHERE, or admit you're lying and trolling, and go sulk in shame while we point and laugh at you.
2013-02-10 03:50:21 AM
1 votes:

khyberkitsune: BronyMedic: You do realize that he murdered the daughter of an LAPD officer, a woman who had nothing to do with his case, right?

And she's an LAPD cop - his stated farking target. Ain't no innocence there, you ignorant piece of brony crap.

So was her Fiance. Again, stated target.

Bronies, so ignorant as to listen to what the news says, and not doing investigative journalism yourself.

And stupid diatribes like above from the brony scum is what you get.


can you provide a link where it states that she was a police officer?
All I can find is that she was the Cal State Fullerton assistant women's basketball coach
and her finace was University of Southern California public safety officer .

He targeted her because of her father, Randall Quan,  who represented him at his hearing and is a former LAPD officer.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/05/monica-quan-keith-lawrence- de ad_n_2623013.html
http://www.sportsgrid.com/ncaa-basketball/monica-quan-murder-cal-sta te -fullerton-assistant-coach/
2013-02-09 05:55:33 PM
1 votes:

nekom: There are an awful lot of graphs in this thread.  Few of them meaningful.


I believe this graph is very meaningful to the discussion.

img.photobucket.com
2013-02-09 04:40:44 PM
1 votes:

Elegy: Phinn: strawmen

Calling something a strawman does not a strawman make.  The peanut gallery here seems to get it but you don't. So I'll put it in pictures simple enough for you to understand.

I am not arguing about politics. I am arguing that the logic of your underlying premise is wrong. You are a lazy thinker that relies upon a simple dichotomy of "this or that" that thinking.

This is your world, where everything can be broken down upon the fundamental dichotomy between authoritarianism and libertarianism. This dichotomy, you have already stated, is the axis upon which the events of the world turn:


-----------------------

Thank you for attempting to address what I have been talking about.  I have read your post several times in an effort to give it serious attention.  I appreciate the effort you put in trying to analyze the logic behind my comments.  The pictures were certainly entertaining.

After thinking about what you have said, it's clear that you are completely wrong.

First, your diagram "Your World," with the single axis along the authoritarian scale, is not complete.  The political world looks more like this:

wrobels.org
I would place Dorners (prior to his murderous rampage) somewhere just below the final "L" in the word "Liberal."  Near the center, but about one notch closer to the Left side of the center line, and a notch or two closer south of the Centrist line, thus making him a mildly authoritarian leftist.  A moderate.

Now, here is where your analysis of my comments completely jumps off the rails:

Elegy: Now, where are we to asses this [mass murder rampage] along your continuum that - according to you - is the fundamental driver of society? You cannot tell me it is a political act - you have spent pages arguing that this man was so twisted by the political agenda pushed by the leftist media that he snapped. You cannot argue that he is pushed to striking out by politics, but the targets of his rampage are an arbitrary and apolitical choice. That just doesn't fly and it defies logic - he is expressly targeting the jackbooted thugs of the state that are the embodiment of the authoritarianism he has grown to hate.

So Dorner commits a political act. Where then does this act fall, if not to towards authoritarianism. There is only one other way this political act can occur along this axis: CLOSER TOWARDS YOU. Dorner shares your view of the world now - he sees the evil inherent to the LAPD and the programming of the liberal media.


This is all somewhat confusing, since in one breath you say "You cannot tell me it is a political act" and in the next you say "Dorner commits a political act."  I assume you left out the word "not" in your initial assertion, which would be corrected to say, "You cannot tell me it is NOT a political act."  Please correct me if I'm wrong on this, since that's the only edit that makes any sense here.

So, it's your assertion that the murderous rampage was a "political act," and I must admit this because I have spent all this time arguing the connection between the murder and his politics.

Fine.  Let's take a closer look at this proposition of yours -- his murder as a "political act."

I do not see how the act of a mass murder revenge spree could move Dorners' political position to the left or right.  It was a lone wolf act, and Leftists are nothing if not collectivists.  I suppose you could say that it is somewhat "right-ish," because of the individualistic aspect of the retaliation, as a sort of "self-help" remedy to his list of perceived injustices.  Fine, that's arguable, but not terribly interesting to me.

I do not, however, see any evidence in the text of his manifesto for a rejection of authoritarianism generally.  Authoritarianism is defined by violence.  It is, literally, the institutionalization of violence -- using armed men to commit all sorts of violent acts, and further, purporting that these acts are ethical by putting the perpetrators in fancy costumes and handing them little metal insignia, and making them recite an oath, and paying them with tax money.  (I suppose the State could even go a step further and sprinkle fairy dust on its foot soldiers, and in so doing, pretend that it is the presence of fairy dust that washes away all criminality!)

It is simply not logical to conclude that a murderous revenge spree (especially when one that targets is the innocent family members of the people who allegedly wronged you), is an act of anti-authoritarianism.  These are (assuming Dorners has actually done these things) acts of pure aggression.  It is his attempt to impose his (now warped and skewed) sense of justice on others.  The act of writing his manifesto was his justification for these killings.  He has spent an apparently long time justifying these acts to himself.  He does not claim that killing these people is a matter of self-defense.  He claims that the people who wronged him deserve to lose the things in their lives most precious to them.

These are acts of punishment.  These are acts that evidence a deeply statist mindset.  Statists are the ones who dreamed up the idea of "punishment" in the first place.  Libertarians (and especially anarchists, as the ultimate libertarians) do not believe in the ethical legitimacy of revenge or punishment at all.  They hold that one wrong act cannot compensate for the other.  They believe in restitution, as the only form of legitimate compensatory remedy for ethical wrongs, along with self-defense, and also perhaps along with the power of social ostracism (i.e., merely withdrawing social support from people who cannot live peacefully and respect the persons and property of others).  Those are the three main types of anti-authoritarian social remedies -- restitution for wrongs, ostracism of the people who won't live in social peace, and the use of force (but employed only in self-defense and defense of others).

In contrast, Statists use force in other ways -- to collect fines, incarcerate offenders, levy taxes, impose penalties, and issue edicts controlling peoples social and economic lives, none of which can be justified as a form of either restitution, ostracism or self-defense.

There is nothing remotely anti-authoritarian in Dorners manifesto.  He repeatedly states his affirmation of Statist authority.  At one point he quotes the Thomas Jefferson line about the "tree of liberty" being refreshed with the "blood of tyrants, " but is careful to note, "This quote is not directed toward the US government which I fully support 100%."

He even openly states his ethical framework:  "I am here to change and make policy. The culture of LAPD versus the community and honest/good officers needs to and will change. I am here to correct and calibrate your morale compasses to true north."

"Make policy."

Think about that one.

Who makes policy?

Governments.

Libertarians and anarchists are natural law proponents, for the most part.  They believe that no mere mortal has the power to "make policy."  They believe that it is our job to discover the laws of nature and ethical society, which are abstract and universal and unalterable, like scientific truth and mathematics.

The only rational conclusion to be drawn from the Dorners situation is that his intense psychological break (as evidenced by the manifesto and murder spree) pushed Dorners to a point where he could not restrain his deep pre-existing desire for violence and aggression.  He is, according to his own words and actions, attempting to become the State -- a policy maker, a more moral version of the State.  He is "correcting and calibrating your moral compasses to true north."

This is not rejecting Statism (and authoritarianism generally). Not at all!  He is trying to save Statism from the corruption of its unworthy representatives.  He is trying to rescue Statism and purify it.

He is, in short, acting as though he believes he can usurp the role of the State, to supplant its corrupt and unworthy officers, to replace them as the ultimate arbiter of just force and unjust force, based on the idea that he will do the justice that its current occupants (in the LAPD hierarchy especially) have failed to do.

He has not rejected his (moderately leftist) ideology at all.  He is affirming it, by purporting to purge the government of its defilers, even though he expects it to cost him his life.

That's how much preserving his liberal ideology means to him.
2013-02-08 10:04:56 PM
1 votes:
Ah. Think it's time for y'all to cool yer biatch-jets and get some grub & beer in ya.

Whatcha say?

www.quinnandco.com

www.buckshappening.com
2013-02-08 09:48:05 PM
1 votes:

404 page not found: Do you honestly believe it is within your scope-of-practice as a NREMT-P to diagnose, let alone assess, someone's psychological status over the internet and behind anonymous* aliases? If you're kidding, I had a good laugh. If you are serious, you should seek some sort of higher education so you can have the necessary means to have the necessary means to achieve your dreams of becoming a brilliant psychiatrist. If not, STFU and surrender your national registration


nathantimmel.com

You need to calm the fark down, first, and stop taking the internet so seriously.

Saying someone has sociopathic behavior is not a diagnosis. It's pointing out their acting like a sociopath. Celebrating the murders of people just because they are a cop, or related to them, and then cheering on a murderer IS Sociopathic behavior.

But nice irrelvant jab at me. If I wanted to diagnose someone, I'd tell them to see their farking doctor. Since I'm not handing out ICD codes, and telling people that is what's wrong with them, you have no freakin' idea about what you're talking about.

If you, however, want to get into an actual discussion about the principle of paramedics using field differential and/or nursing diagnoses, I'd be happy to take that up in my email so it's not considered threadshiatting about irrelevant topics.
2013-02-08 09:38:43 PM
1 votes:

khyberkitsune: BronyMedic: He murdered three innocent people, you asshole

How the fark do you know they're innocent? You're not a farking psychic.

This is the GOD DAMNED LA farkING PD. Hello, motherfarking 1992. Hello RAMPART. Hello the Feds currently thinking of locking Compton down.

Holy shiat you're as ignorant as ever.

You thinking those cops were innocent makes me farking laugh.

I've got cop friends here in Riverside going "Every LA cop is pretty much corrupt, welcome to the 1970s."

Innocent, my ass, you ignorant piece of brony crap.


You do realize that he murdered the daughter of an LAPD officer, a woman who had nothing to do with his case, right? His stated reason was "He wanted her dad to lose the family he never had a chance to have"
You do realize he murdered a coach at a college who he claimed was a lawyer on his case, right? Not an LAPD officer.
You do realize he murdered a cop that was completely UNRELATED to his case, right?

I'll let that sink in for a second while you masturbate over the fact he killed someone on the LAPD. But you're right. I'm sure they all did something worthy of being shot in the face for.

farking idiot.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Has it been proven he actually did it?


In the same way that James Holmes has not been proven to be the one who shot up the movie theatre in Aurora, that Jared Laughner hasn't been proven to be the one that capped giffords, and that Aspie idiot who murdered 23 people in Newtown hasn't been proven to have done it.

Unless you're wanting to promote the same type of Conspiracy Theory that the Sideshow Bob fanboys are wanting to promote.
4.bp.blogspot.com

INFOWARS SAID THE LAPD KILLED THEM AND FRAMED HIM! ITS TRUE I SAY! - idiot.
2013-02-08 07:46:11 PM
1 votes:

Jimmysolson: justtray: Good news everybody. The 6 police officers who opened fire on the wrong cars with no warning are "on paid administrative leave."

So everything's good right? Move along, nothing to see here.

Promotions pending.


Apparently you are right.  They are now researching the shooting victims thoroughly to see if they can pin them with some long-past crime, unpaid ticket, anything.  They might even use "guilt by association" on these three victims, who were harmed yesterday by the LAPD, as in "association with anyone who ever did anything."  I really feel for those three hapless people.

But as cops say, "We know we can't catch everyone, but if youpiss us off or come on our radar, we can find something to arrest you for."
2013-02-08 07:44:02 PM
1 votes:

styckx: Apparently they confirmed he's no longe rin Big Bear by following his tracks


Sort of.  They followed his tracks for 5 miles (still in the general area, as the area is large) and then gave up.  Then they announced on television multiple times that they gave up.  One would be tempted to say that they are trying to lull him into a false sense of security (if he has a phone, he has this information, unless he's an idiot, which he is not), except that they really have taken their forces down off the mountain and concentrated them in the places they are accustomed to concentrating forces:  his mom's house, his ex-wife's house, his ex-wife's workplace.

Meanwhile, "sightings" of him occur everywhere - every large black male (and of course, anyone who could possibly resemble him in any way, whether in a white car or another truck) is being reported to the police.  Police have called off answering "low level calls."  So...his revolution has at least a temporary effect.

Airwaves are filled with (anonymous but convincing) cops calling in to support him.  And a lot of stupid cops saying the most asinine things possible on television.  You'd have to hear it to believe it.

Well, some of you have very good imaginations - so you can imagine.
2013-02-08 06:46:32 PM
1 votes:

Kittypie070: If I just shot up the newspaper delivery lady's truck with eleventy million rounds of ammo I wouldn't be on no "paid administrative leave", I'd be in the motherfarking sh*tcan, wearing a crappy orange jumpsuit and leg irons.

Fark that noise.


Exactly
2013-02-08 06:40:35 PM
1 votes:
If I just shot up the newspaper delivery lady's truck with eleventy million rounds of ammo I wouldn't be on no "paid administrative leave", I'd be in the motherfarking sh*tcan, wearing a crappy orange jumpsuit and leg irons.

Fark that noise.
2013-02-08 06:15:24 PM
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: Pretty sad that LAPD cops can't tell a Toyota Tundra from a Honda Ridgeline from a Nissan Titan.


Just the presence/absence of a roof rack would have done it.
2013-02-08 05:49:58 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Yeah. They are innocent. They had nothing to do with what happened to him.


Firstly, the people he shot were cops. So, unless you know all the interpersonal dynamics of the police, you can't state for sure that they had "nothing to do with what happened to him"

Second, Exactly what did the two women in this truck:

latimesblogs.latimes.com

have to do with him?

Answer: NOTHING.

At the best, your point is that BOTH sides are targeting innocents.
2013-02-08 05:41:14 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: He murdered three innocent people, you asshole.


I think you mean "THE COPS (the very cops he has pissed off) CLAIM he murdered three innocent people, you asshole."
2013-02-08 05:05:31 PM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: relcec: [latimesblogs.latimes.com image 640x418]

Like a couple freepers were saying, they were going for headshots.  In this very thread, the question was raised about 'what if there was a hostage in there?'

Every cop involved in the newspaper ladies shooting should be fired.


Fired is too light, they should be brought up on attempted murder charges.
2013-02-08 04:47:52 PM
1 votes:

Elegy: You are also implying - ITG style - that you are strong enough to take these truths, whereas Dorner was not.


Out of all the straw men you ruthlessly dismantle, this one jumps out.

I am not claiming to be tougher than him.  I stated that I admired his integrity (up to the part about committing mass murders), based on his account of the entirely plausible and believable story about Teresa "Chupacabra" Evans, which I believe was bolstered by the insane, random street-spraying that the LAPD has done in order to stop Dorners. Someone upthread called him wishy washy, and I retorted that he was a sniper and a cop, and a mass murderer, none of which is particularly soft.

I am, however, arguing that Dorners was unusually invested in the liberal smokescreen.  (There is, of course, a conservative smokescreen -- they just use different myths to sell their program to masses of supporters. In his case, he bought into the liberal one.)  It was the total loss of that high investment of his, which met with a rough demise when it conflicted with a cold LAPD reality, that caused him to snap.
2013-02-08 04:47:25 PM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu:
Every cop involved in the newspaper ladies shooting should be fired.

.. out of a cannon.

Unless there are some details I haven't caught yet, that was just 100% jacked! I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt, but they should have lit that car up and pulled them over, THEN determined if they were any threat. I understand that they are on edge, but this is just totally unacceptable. They ought to be brought up on criminal charges and sued into oblivion. I'll bet those women had to literally fight of lawyers wanting to take their case with a stick.
2013-02-08 04:42:27 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: tlars699: Maybe we should stop militarizing the police force, and granting them immunity for their wrong doings, so this would never happen?

If you want a European-Style police force, like the UK, you're going to have to adopt European culture in the process.

That means giving up a few freedoms some sections of America aren't willing to. Like the Second Amendment. (Remember, in countries with large numbers of unarmed police, there are large numbers of unarmed citizens.)

The above will NEVER happen in our lifetime.


nice strawman.
this nations police force is militarized for one reason: to fight the war on drugs and the well armed criminal element that relies on massive profits created by prohibition.
2013-02-08 04:34:50 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: tlars699: Maybe we should stop militarizing the police force, and granting them immunity for their wrong doings, so this would never happen?

If you want a European-Style police force, like the UK, you're going to have to adopt European culture in the process.

That means giving up a few freedoms some sections of America aren't willing to. Like the Second Amendment. (Remember, in countries with large numbers of unarmed police, there are large numbers of unarmed citizens.)

The above will NEVER happen in our lifetime.


Militarization =/= arming police. Also, granting police immunity from being punished for wrong doings =/= militarization of police.
You can do both, and treat both as seperate actions, without violating Second Amendment rights of everyone.

First off, make it a requirement that nepotism is not allowed- you can't have relatives who work in the same department, nor can you use a relation as a reference to obtain a job in a police dept.
2013-02-08 04:27:00 PM
1 votes:

tlars699: Maybe we should stop militarizing the police force, and granting them immunity for their wrong doings, so this would never happen?


If you want a European-Style police force, like the UK, you're going to have to adopt European culture in the process.

That means giving up a few freedoms some sections of America aren't willing to. Like the Second Amendment. (Remember, in countries with large numbers of unarmed police, there are large numbers of unarmed citizens.)

The above will NEVER happen in our lifetime.
2013-02-08 04:17:43 PM
1 votes:
Phinn: So much more stuff

Before we begin, let me say it is the rare farker that will stand and defend his principles. Good on you, and I'm enjoying it. Now....

First, I want to begin where you said Like you, I think the left/right dichotomy is largely bullshiat and a matter of PR and window-dressing and then went to say the only political/ideological axis that matters is the one running between the poles of authoritarian to libertarian.

In other words, you call one dichotomy bullshiat, and offer in its place.... THE EXACT SAME DICHOTOMY WITH FANCY NEW "IAN" ENDINGS! A dichotomy is an example of lazy thinking, every farking time. Stop it.

Then there's the part where you say:
You: That's a rather weak and transparent attempt to set up a straw man. I obviously never said that one had to be a "steely-eyed conservative" in order to see the world for what it truly is.

i.imgur.com

 Go read this post again. It's full of "libruls is stoopids!!!!!!1!1" and "da gubments" even if it is well written. You have an obvious ideological axe to grind against perceived "leftists" and "liberals" and spend quite a lot of space detailing their numerous faults. In this post you rather backhandedly include "center-rightist" as well, but it is clear that even they are worthy of the derision of a true believer like yourself being being so far along the axis of leftism, or, as you call it "authoritarianism". It is evident from your tone, style, and content that you are one in the know, and your intent is to educate all of us on exactly why Dorner went wrong: the liberal ideology that prepares him to "believe" in the lies of good government.


What appears to have happened is some kind of psychological break, brought on by the stress of being thoroughly disillusioned, by being forced to realize that the government he has so loyally served is just another criminal gang, albeit one that is very well organized, and has a really good PR department.

And this is what I'm getting at... you've been arguing for pages now that this psychological break stems from his recognition of these larger external truths that you yourself perceive, but that we (your audience) do not. You are effectively arguing that Dorner has seen the light and recognized what government truly is and truly stands for, and that the exposer to that truth has caused him to snap. You are also implying - ITG style - that you are strong enough to take these truths, whereas Dorner was not.

But you yourself just spent several pages telling us that liberals CANNOT SEE THESE LARGER TRUTHS AND CANNOT RECOGNIZE THE GOVERNMENT FOR WHAT IT IS.

Ergo by your own logic, Dorner - the real, present day, going on a rampage Dorner not the sane but brainwashed Dorner from the past - must be a conservative because he is one of the people that has seen the truth. He has truly seen the light. It caused him to snap, to be sure, but he has seen it.

By your own arguments, you are claiming an insane cop-killer as one of your own people.
2013-02-08 04:04:22 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: nekom: BronyMedic:
Yeah. They are innocent.  They had nothing to do with what happened to him.

The people who died in the Oklahoma city bombing had nothing to do with Waco or Ruby Ridge either. In a deranged mind, don't look for logic. Someone screwed him, and now someone, ANYONE, has to pay. If they are vaguely law enforcement related, they are part of the whole `system' that screwed him. That's his mindset, it seems.

It seems like it's not just his mindset, though.

There have been plenty of FARKers in the past 900 pages which have cheered this guy on, or attempted to justify his actions or minimize them by saying "But, but LAPD..."

I think more than one person in this thread needs to seek serious psychological help for their sociopathic leanings.


I think we both agree on the suggestions of "Marital Law".

Bad Idea. As you state, the role of cop and of solider are qualitatively different. It's not just that soldiers have bigger better guns, they've got an entirely different mission than the police.

Part of the public confusion of this may have to do with the militarization of police forces over the past 10 or 15 years. As the police increasingly adopt military style clothing, equipment, and tactics some members of the public can be left with the impression that the police are "military lite" and then come to the conclusion that we need to be using the full strength item.

There's a anecdote from when the Military was out helping the cops after the LA riots, which I think is instructive. It's true story and you can probably google it without too much trouble.

A cop was paired up with a soldier and they responded to a domestic violence call.

There's an obvious disturbance taking place inside, so the cop decides to "go in" and tells the solider "Cover Me."

The soldier then obliges by laying SUPPRESSING FIRE into the house to cover the cop's advance. Not exactly what the cop had in mind, but completely consistent with the solider's training. Amazingly no one was shot.

Now, on to the "Dorner" issue.

People, primates, and even other mammals have an innate sense of "fairness". There's plenty of research into this. I'll let you look it up for yourself, won't take you but a few minutes.

When one group (in this case the LAPD) consistently dominates, intimidates, abuses, and murders people, that just violates people's innate sense of what's right. There's no mystery there.

So when someone comes along (Dorner), and starts to repay that legacy of cruelty, some people are going to support that. That's a normal, healthy reaction to seeing some measure of justice and reciprocity being meted out.

Try to keep in mind, that one man's Hero is necessarily another man's villain.

Even your Heros.
2013-02-08 03:56:07 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: relcec: people like you are why this country is so farked up.
if this beating was caught on film you'd be the first person in here saying the beating was necessary to force compliance.

He murdered three innocent people, you asshole. Stop trying to paint someone as anything different than what he is. A coward, and a murderer. He chose to murder instead of fight and make a change.

Three people who had NOTHING to do with what happened to him.

He didn't even have the balls to target the people he felt screwed him over. No. He killed two unarmed, defenseless people, and then shot a campus cop on a totally DIFFERENT department just to make people suffer. He targeted the families instead.

But don't let that impede your hero worship of the guy.


Is there proof he actually killed the chick and her cop boyfriend?

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/SD-Manhunt-Suspects-Property-Ba d ge-San-Diego--190189011.html">http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/S D-Manhunt-Suspects-Property-Bad ge-San-Diego--190189011.html

- Around 1:45 a.m. Thursday, two Riverside officers were shot after they responded to a call for assistance from Magnolia and Arlington Avenues (map). Someone had reported seeing the suspect's vehicle in that location. "By all accounts, it appears they were stopped at a red light and just ambushed by the suspect," said Riverside Lt. Guy Toussaint. One Riverside officer was pronounced dead at the scene. The second officer was taken to a nearby hospital where the officer underwent surgery, police said.

(so............. did he actually say at any time that he shot those two cops while they were stopped at a red light? is 'I saw his car' as good as a conviction? we've already seen what the cops think 'his car' looks like. twice.)

- Corona Sgt. Brent Nelson confirmed that the Riverside shooting is connected to another Thursday morning shooting in Corona.
LAPD's Newton Division confirmed early Thursday that two of its officers were involved in a confrontation with a man believed to be Dorner.

The officers were en route to a special detail to protect individuals named on the manifesto at 1:25 a.m. when they spotted Dorner's vehicle.

They started to follow the vehicle and ran its plates. They were told the plates did not match the vehicle according to LAPD Sgt. Lopez.

As they were making the turn off the freeway, they were shot at Lopez said.

While officials could not confirm the type of weapon used in the Corona shooting, Lopez said, " I would say it's a safe bet that he's carrying a semi-automatic rifle."

One officer suffered a graze wound to the forehead and was treated at the scene.

A third officer-involved shooting was reported at about 5:30 a.m. in Torrance. Officers said that shooting was connected to the Dorner search.


(so.....................  two cops again think they've spotted Dorner's vehicle (again, we've already seen twice how shiatty the cops' eyes are when it comes to  id'ing his truck).  They run the plates and the plates don't match.. but they were so sure it was his vehicle.  So they turn off the freeway, and somebody shoots at the cops. From what direction?  Who knows? What's the description of the vehicle that shot at them this time and was it or was it not put up on Cali's highways for motorists to be on the lookout for? Because this time they're sure, for reals, it's Dorner who did it. Scout's honor!)

(Bullshiat.)

(The only way these shootings are connected is that the cops got shot at.  That is not the same as Dorner actually doing the do.)

(Unless he's got wizard powers and can be everywhere they want him to be.)

/"Dorner's LAPD badge and photo identification were found near Lindbergh Field by an airport shuttle driver. "
// like someone else asked: if he's an ex-cop, what was his badge doing in a field?  who had access to it to drop it in a field?
2013-02-08 03:31:09 PM
1 votes:
BronyMedic:
The fact that you're defending this man's actions is slimy. He didn't even have the balls to "go after" the cops he named. Instead he picked family members who had nothing to do with what happened to him.

tlars699: I'm not saying he's right to do this, but they are not innocent just because you say they are...

Yeah. They are innocent.  They had nothing to do with what happened to him.


I am not defending his actions. He will most likely be caught and sentenced to death, and I am not against this outcome.
 I am merely pointing out that all of his targets thus far have been LAPD(unlike the LAPD's targets), and are connected to the corruption involved, and quite possibly corrupt themselves.

How do you know the bolded statement is true? Other than Ms. Quan, whose father is the Quan who bungled his case, quite possibly purposefully, none of the other victims have been named. Also, while he has a list of names in the manifesto, it is clear that he hasn't named all of the people he has seen guilty of corruption and using their position of power to their own advantage/amusement.

He also hasn't killed every target, and whether or not he is capable of such, let us assume for a moment that he is: He hasn't killed every single person- perhaps he is skilled enough to hold back his judgment from those whose corruption level he may not know about.

I would also like to say here, that if he eats his own bullet than face the damn consequences, he will lose all credibility with me, and I will concede any points you have made to you.

Since you started the ad hominem with an "I feel" statement- oh wait, no, you didn't. You have just assumed and are judgemental like every other Farker. Congratulations!!
2013-02-08 03:29:22 PM
1 votes:
Martial law: the greater evil.
As hard and as comparatively high a discipline as our troops are held to, I would not wish this even in my worst nightmares, even for the very best and noblest reasons.

Corrupt police: the lesser evil.
Shiatkickers, good-ole boys, gangs with badges, and power freaks. Pepper Spray Pigs.

Both evil.

But the lesser evil can be dealt with, though the way is hard.

If the people of the city of Los Angeles have the will to call for it to be done, it can be done.

The greater evil is irreversible. There is no coming back from it. Ever.
2013-02-08 03:20:32 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: relcec: tlars699: Meanwhile, the LAPD have put two actually innocent people in the hospital, and shot at another, and damaged his property.


they tried to murder two people for trying to to conceal identity with window tinting, driving slowly in a four wheel vehicle (which matches the number of wheels on the suspects car), furtive movements (reaching down to pick something up) and throwing something, possibly a bomb, onto a lawn at 5 am;
for delivering the morning paper.

No one is doubting the stupidity of the person that did that.

It still doesn't justify the murder of four people out of a revenge killing, and then the attempted murder of two more. Even if you're trying to make a moral equivilance, four dead bodies are still higher in this than what the LAPD has done.


that's not simply stupidity, and this isn't even that f*cking unusual. if it was usual you wouldn't have to be in here twice a weak defending morally bankrupt killers on the force.

that is an example of grossest recklessness imaginable, the manifestation of pure indifference for the destruction of human life.
if those per old women had died it would quite simply be murder. the fact that these cops haven't already been arraigned on multiple serious felonies and kicked off the force just speaks to the problems this maniac pointed out and which you refuse to even admit exist.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depraved-heart_murder
Depraved-heart murder, also known as depraved-indifference murder, is an American legal term for an action that demonstrates a "callous disregard for human life" and results in death. In most states, depraved heart killings constitute second-degree murder.[1]
If no death results, such acts would generally be defined as reckless endangerment and possibly other crimes, such as assault.
2013-02-08 02:58:18 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Girion47: Considering his success in the Navy I'm willing to believe him over some biatch cop that is proud of her ability to abuse her fellow civilians and get away with it.

That's nice. I can tell you're not biased in any way, shape, or form, and have entered into this with a completely open mind.

At any rate, he lost every shred of credibility the moment he targeted three innocent people who had nothing to do with what happened to him just to make someone tangentially related to it suffer horrifically.

He's a rabid animal that needs to be put down at this point.


I'm not saying he's right to do this, but they are not innocent just because you say they are...

The girl was a LAPD officer, whose father was corrupt, as he was originally a Chief, and became a lawyer   for the union, to supposedly represent the officers, but works for the majority of the union/station to support status quo.
Her fiance is also in the LAPD.
The two cops who were assaulted in the vehicle at the intersection were also LAPD. He only killed one of them. He calls out each and every corrupt cop by name that he knows of in his manifesto, and claims he knows how to find them.
He did not harm the old man who owned the boat that he attempted to take, he tied him up, and the man was left unharmed.

Meanwhile, the LAPD have put two actually innocent people in the hospital, and shot at another, and damaged his property.
2013-02-08 02:58:18 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: relcec: he was still working when he accused her of abuse, wtf can be gained by accusing her of abuse?

He accused her of abuse two weeks after the incident and after finding out his training officer was reporting that he was a fark up.

You really don't understand what was to be gained?


you keep acting like lying about his boss was a ticket to easy street. but he got exactly what we would expect him to get for complaining about another officer abusing a suspect.
the truth is if this guy wanted to remain a cop he should have shut the f*ck up like the rest of the gang, and only his superiors had motivation to lie.
2013-02-08 02:57:13 PM
1 votes:

Elegy: Do me a favor and watchOccupation: Dreamland. I had the fortunate opportunity to watch it with an army vet who had already been deployed twice and was getting a masters en route to his third deployment. He said it is spot on for the army experience of the occupation in Iraq.

In any event, it illustrates the differences between how a soldier goes about policing a population and your daily experience of how the police go about policing. It is a qualitatively different thing, as you will see.


Anyone who wants to turn the US Military against the civilian population as a force for policing has no idea what kind of utter hell they are unleashing. US Soldiers are weapons of destruction - surgical weapons - but weapons none the less. They are not policemen. They have no idea of reasonable force, of justifiable homicide, and of constitutional liberties that you are afforded. Martial law is just that. You do as they say, or you find yourself at the end of a beat down or worse - a firing squad.

You do not want to see an America that is policed by the US Army.
2013-02-08 02:54:26 PM
1 votes:

ZeroCorpse: And all of this brings up a scary thought: Maybe it would be better if we did swap out police for soldiers.

I'm generally liberal in my thinking, though I am now a non-participant in the political process. I mention this so I don't get any accusations of being either a bleeding-heart Democrat or a fascist Republican. I am neither. I'm not a libertarian, either. I'm apolitical. All politicians at the national level are liars, self-serving scumbags, and tools of the corporate ruling class.

That being said, I've always been opposed to the idea of a nation policed by soldiers. I mean, it just sounds so  sinister  if you don't think about it. A bunch of soldiers keeping tabs on the civilians? It's Orwellian. It's the kind of thing you expect in a dictatorship, right?

But then we look at all these issues we're having with civilian cops. More and more, we're finding that putting guns and authority into the hands of the guys who gave weaker kids indian burns and wedgies in high school is a  bad thing.  More and more, we're finding out that the people who choose to be cops are mostly sociopaths and violent assholes who joined up because they like hurting people. More and more we learn that our police are  f♥cking idiots  who accidentally catch and harm the wrong people while letting the real criminals get away. Events like this one remind us that the police departments are, by and large, corrupt from the top down. Cops are a  gang  these days, and they look out for themselves a lot more than the look out for civilians.

Yeah, yeah. There are some good cops. Some idealistic people do join up. Dorners might have been one of these "good cops" when he got there, but he found out pretty quickly that the department was as much a criminal organization as the ones he was hoping to bust up. He learned, like we have numerous times, that the LAPD (and many other departments) was controlled and populated by sick, selfish, egomaniacal mental cases who had no intention of letting morality sneak into their long-standing system.

Now, I'm not saying soldiers are above reproach, or that they can't slip up or become corrupt themselves, but if you really look at the discipline and structure of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marines versus the discipline and structure of the civilian police departments, you can't help but notice that the military does tend to run a tighter ship, and they generally make sure that people within their ranks are properly disciplined when they step out of line. They make sure that protocols remain firmly in place. They do not like to be embarrassed by a soldier who treats civilians poorly. They do not like having their honor or integrity questioned because it is important to them. They remain physically fit and must be psychologically evaluated to remain within the ranks.

In short, they're everything police should be.

So maybe it wouldn't be so terrible to turn our police into a military organization. Maybe it would be right to train then and expect the kind of professionalism and honor we do from our soldiers. Maybe it would be good for them to report, via a chain of command, to superiors that lead up to the President of the United States? Maybe letting the Pentagon have control over our police wouldn't be such a horrible thing in this day and age.

The trick, of course, is making sure they know they serve us, and not the other way around. The trick with a military police force is keeping them from becoming our keepers instead of our protectors.

Either way, we clearly have problems with our police in this country. Our cops grow increasingly corrupt, and there's nobody who can clean up the departments because the police ARE the authority in any given city, county, or state.

For that matter, our justice system is a bit of a corrupt mess, too. Maybe it's time we made judges work for their jobs and be subject to standard at-will employment, instead of electing them into cushy seats where they can roost for decades. We've made the justice system so convoluted that civilians have little chance to protect themselves if they find themselves falsely arrested and accused.

I don't know what my point is here. I just think the police have failed us, and will only get worse as their ranks fill with more corrupt individuals who climb to the top and hire more sociopaths like themselves.

Because honestly: What despot wants to surround himself with sane, decent, honorable men?


Do me a favor and watchOccupation: Dreamland. I had the fortunate opportunity to watch it with an army vet who had already been deployed twice and was getting a masters en route to his third deployment. He said it is spot on for the army experience of the occupation in Iraq.

In any event, it illustrates the differences between how a soldier goes about policing a population and your daily experience of how the police go about policing. It is a qualitatively different thing, as you will see.
2013-02-08 02:51:55 PM
1 votes:
people like you are why this country is so farked up.
if this beating was caught on film you'd be the first person in here saying the beating was necessary to force compliance.
2013-02-08 02:50:49 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: relcec: and what motivation could dorner possibly have for making up a  story about his supervisor abusing a suspect?

Perhaps that he learned that his training officer had filed a report that he was a fark up and not cutting it as on officer.  You know, basic facts that you would know if you took 5 minutes to read the facts before going on a cop hating rant.


That report wasn't filed until after he reported her. So your point- it is invalid.
2013-02-08 02:49:02 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: relcec: and what motivation could dorner possibly have for making up a  story about his supervisor abusing a suspect?

Perhaps that he learned that his training officer had filed a report that he was a fark up and not cutting it as on officer.  You know, basic facts that you would know if you took 5 minutes to read the facts before going on a cop hating rant.


he was still working when he accused her of abuse, wtf can be gained by accusing her of abuse?
was he looking to ensure he'd absolutely get fired, be unable to collect unemployment benefits, get arrested for filing a false report, and lose his security clearance with the navy?
why do you believe the people with every reason to lie and not the person whose best interests would have been served by not saying anything at all?
2013-02-08 02:34:10 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: relcec: and what motivation could dorner possibly have for making up a  story about his supervisor abusing a suspect?

Perhaps that he learned that his training officer had filed a report that he was a fark up and not cutting it as on officer.  You know, basic facts that you would know if you took 5 minutes to read the facts before going on a cop hating rant.


Considering his success in the Navy I'm willing to believe him over some biatch cop that is proud of her ability to abuse her fellow civilians and get away with it.
2013-02-08 02:20:33 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Dorner claimed that his training officer kicked the suspect in the head while making the arrest. There were multiple witnesses that said that wasn't true. End of story, the suspect wasn't kicked, Dorner lied and was terminated.


no, cops said the suspect wasn't kicked. the hotel girl said she went back inside while they were still struggling with the suspect in the bushes.
and what motivation could dorner possibly have for making up a  story about his supervisor abusing a suspect?
he wants to get fired? maybe shot in the face for his trouble?
the motivation for officers to lie is very clear. people get fired if they don't. people get killed.
what was dorners motivation?
2013-02-08 02:04:38 PM
1 votes:

Kubo:
And while I will not defend the LAPD's dipshiattery, did you stop to think that the mistake they made wouldn't have occurred if this dummy hadn't decided to wage his own little war?


These are two distinct situations, as far as I'm concerned. The LAPD needs to be investigated and heavily sued over their egregious overreaction. Also, this murderer needs to be killed or captured soon. They are only tangentally related.
2013-02-08 01:03:58 PM
1 votes:
In traditional cultures you either settle a dispute amicably and fairly, or war ensues. When the state claims a monopoly on violence, they paint other users of violence as incompetent, crazy, or evil.. but how sustainable is that.
2013-02-08 11:59:24 AM
1 votes:
IF Dorner's basic charge is true - that he was removed in retaliation for filing a complaint against another officer - that will force some introspection at the LAPD. And no doubt, that charge will be investigated by the media at large.

Here's a guy perfectly suited to soldiering: fearless, powerful, conscientious (I get this from the manifesto) and a berserker. And he perceived he had that career path taken away from him. And a lot of people, men especially, define themselves by their career. Getting a job in that field with the blot he had on his resume would have likely been quite difficult.

However, he's absolutely in the wrong for killing the young lady and her fiance, and the other cop. He's totally gone upriver.

I look forward to seeing some investigation of whether the initial charges and the retribution are true.
2013-02-08 11:26:31 AM
1 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: Warlordtrooper: If I went up to a truck delivering newspapers and put 20 rounds into it because I "thought" there might be a murderer in there what would happen to me?  Why should the cops who shot two women face anything less then charges of attempted murder?

Waaaah! I don't get to do what duly appointed representatives of the law do! These police officers get to do things I don't! Waaaaah!

There will be a report, and an investigation.  Welcome to policy that exists.  Want to change it?  Vote.


As someone who has consulted and worked in law enforcement policy in SoCal for 18 years, I can tell you "voting" won't do it.  Especially in the LAPD, where the Chief is appointed (Sheriff's departments are a bit different; I've campaigned for three Sheriffs in a different county, and yes, having a community-oriented Sheriff does make a difference).

What you have to do with LAPD (aside from avoid them at all costs) is you have to file citizen complaints and then sue them.  Over and over.  That makes a small dent.

If you really think changing Villaragoisa into some other mayor would change this situation, I believe you're mistaken.
2013-02-08 10:56:38 AM
1 votes:
You know. What do you think was a bigger factor in this guy snapping (And, yes, as corrupt as the LAPD is, starting off by murdering cop's kids makes him 'snapped') : "Liberal vs Conservative" or "This organization of justice I dedicated my life just burned me for actually caring about justice."

Oh, and seriously. Even if you take all of LAPD's statements on the two vehicles they shot up as 100% true on officer testimony again (Officers who KNOW they're looking at lengthy prison stays and will be looking to reduce that)...they're a freaking menace that need to be taken off the streets. And do you really think they might not, y'know, be lying about what warnings they shouted...or when. And of course, absolutely zero forgiveness for some paper girls in a suburb who might have just flat-out paniced at gunfire.
2013-02-08 10:49:24 AM
1 votes:

Elegy: Phinn: Stuff

So you're saying he was a wishy washy liberal who was hoping for the best. By that logic, he became a conservative when he picked up his gun and took action against the evil institutions that wronged him.

Dorner is a conservative then. I'm glad we settled that.


Center-left and center-right are indistinguishable.  That's why Dorners had such fondness for David Gergen and George H.W. Bush, along with the usual gushing praise for Chris Matthews and Wolf Blitzer.

These two ideologies differ from each other only in terms of PR style and aesthetic, superficial cultural preferences.  Moderate liberals are just Blue State, urban, coastal versions of moderate conservatives in less-urban Red State flyover country.  The people who control the media are mostly coastal and urban, which is why the media is mostly center-left instead of center-right.

Dorners is clearly not wishy-washy, or else he could not have been a sniper and a rampage killer.  He's more like a puppy -- he believed what the authority figures in his life told him, hook, line and sinker.  He was a kind of idealist, although based on extremely simplistic notions of right and wrong, as defined by the conventions of CNN and other mainstream liberal media.

He's a staunch, died-in-the-wool, center-left moderate.  It's the ideology that denies that it's an ideology.

He HATED anything outside of that narrow comfort zone.  He hated people who professed an ideology, and hated them for being (openly) ideological.

What he realized, after he lost his life to Teresa "Kick to the Chest" Evans, was that the center-left ideology he'd swallowed his whole life was the instrument of his enslavement, that the only thing that sociopaths who run the government wanted from him was his subservience and his muscle, not his opinion.

That's what made him go crazy -- the stark conflict between a lifetime of moderate liberalism and the undeniable reality behind the LAPD. He couldn't reconcile them, so he had to annihilate it all.

Dorners appears to be a true rarity -- a liberal with an unusual amount of integrity.  The two can't really live together inside the same person.  People like him usually just get used up for a few decades, then crawl away and quietly die somewhere, though.  If they'd given him a pension, he probably would have politely drank himself to death instead of going on a murder spree.
2013-02-08 10:24:34 AM
1 votes:
Phinn: Stuff

S
o you're saying he was a wishy washy liberal who was hoping for the best. By that logic, he became a conservative when he picked up his gun and took action against the evil institutions that wronged him.

Dorner is a conservative then. I'm glad we settled that.
2013-02-08 10:15:22 AM
1 votes:

ethics-gradient: Questions from Britain:
Will this lead to copycats like mass shootings? After all if the police are as unscupulous and unprincipled in (parts) of the US as I've gathered then I would've expected "Dorners" to occur fairly often. Maybe just because so few people have the level of training he's had.


we have so many it's not a question of copycat, but 'which day of the week'. also he's not had a lot of training, just the minimum needed to be in the navy and then to be a cop. it's really not demanding.

I'd got the idea that the LAPD and NYPD at least had significantly upped their game. True?

there have been significant improvements in transparency and accountability as well as overall comportment in the last 10-15 years, however, these remain very, very large paramilitary organizations operating in huge, poor urban environments, and abuse is commonplace. Its a hell of a lot better than the police in Spain or India or Beijing, anyway.
2013-02-08 10:14:19 AM
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: nekom: Read this yesterday, it was a pretty strange read.  The guy doesn't come off as a raving lunatic, more like someone who just let something fester and fester in his head until it became a full blown revenge plot.  Maybe he WAS wronged, maybe he DOES have a valid point.  But whatever story he had to tell is going to be lost to the story of his murderous rampage now.

Yeah, when you start thanking women for sex, it becomes less of a manifesto and more of a stream of consciousness.


It's a last words brain dump at the end, because he's made up his mind he's going to die.  The whole document does not seem like it was written in the same sitting, or even on the same day, based on some inconsistencies in grammar and shifts in tone/subject.
2013-02-08 09:41:17 AM
1 votes:

ZombiesezCafeeeeeennnn: You are an asshole.


There's a certain sweet, childlike innocence to the typical establishment center-left mindset.  We politely call these people what they prefer to call themselves -- liberals.  But in fact they are actually just the opposite -- well-meaning most of the time, but so short-sighted in their thinking, so utterly incapable of systemic or abstract thought, that it makes them very closed-minded, easily manipulated, and able to be led around, and above all, completely incapable of adaptation or acting outside a very narrow range of precepts and ideals, which have been defined for them.

These are the people for whom the "sheep" metaphor was invented.

Take Chris Dorner, for example, who exhibits all of the typical traits of your average closed-minded, mainstream liberal.  Watches CNN and MSNBC to get his daily dose of well-packaged righteous indignation.  He has a grossly overdeveloped sense of his own importance in the world.  Not a deep thinker by any stretch of the imagination.  His manifesto was not much more than a list of TV personalities (who he seemed to think were his friends), and did not contain a single abstract proposition.

Clearly, Dorner is not an intellectual, or capable of seeing himself in any light other than in terms of his own personal history, which is why he listed off his prior addresses and some of his personal history.  These are the things that define him.

The one time he entered the world of ideas was this disciplinary review board, which became the defining moment of his sad little life.  He went into the Navy, and then the LAPD mistakenly assuming that the people running the operation were actually devoted to the principles they declare themselves to be -- defense of AMERICA!, or JUSTICE!!!

What he (and all soft-headed liberals) fail to realize is that these systems -- the military, the government generally, and certainly the LAPD -- are not organized around lofty principles of fairness and justice and goodness and ethical purity, etc.  He expected the BOR to be the place where justice would be served.

His expectations were ... misplaced.

The stated ideals and goals of organizations like the US government and the LAPD are lies.  These organizations are created and operated by the most ruthless, shallow, hollow, empty personalities in the world.  You do not rise to the top of the American Empire, or even the LAPD, without being a sociopath, if not outright psychopath.  They create certain founding myths to manipulate people like Dorner, and liberals generally.

This is why the Teresa "Chupacabra" Evans was never going to lose at her disciplinary hearing, and why the LAPD had absolutely ZERO interest in hearing about Dorner's complaint of her excessive force.  He was a gadfly to them, a pain in the ass (and still is).  She is the kind of psycho chain-dog they want and need.  They DO NOT CARE about justice or fairness or helping the little guy or any of that pablum.  They only care about their own power.  They care about the tax and spend system that keeps them there.  They care about appearances, because it is the good PR that helps grease the system that keeps the status quo in place.  Dorner was bad for appearances.

The reality of the LAPD (and the government generally) was too much for Dorner, so it chewed him up and is in the process of spitting him out.  That's what liberals are to the people in charge -- food.  Useful idiots.  Not much better than farm animals.  You're supposed to nod as you watch your acceptable, mainstream TV and listen to whatever Walter Cronkite/Peter Jennings/Tom Brokow/Soledad O'Brien tell you.  They get to define the acceptable range of opinion, not you.

Dorner looks like he actually believed all the lies, the poor sap.  He's like a grown-up kid, who never understood how the world really works.  And so now he is absolutely furious because no one ever told him that there is no Santa Claus, not until after he'd devoted his whole life to the mainstream liberal program.

Now, at this advanced stage of his life, he realized that all of the lofty ideals that the "authorities" have been feeding him (whether they were actual military commanders or his LAPD employers, or Obama and Michelle, or the talking heads on TV) has all been bullshiat -- a carefully orchestrated and sophisticated lie designed to placate him and secure his undying loyalty.

When Dorner finally saw the ugly reality of our society, in the form of Teresa "Excessive Force" Evans being given a pass (and how could it go any other way?  Honestly!), he snapped.  He couldn't take it.

Dorner went nuts when he was confronted with the reality of his enslavement.  I don't imagine that you or any other mainstream liberal (or their center-right counterparts) want to face that reality, either.

So, you call me an asshole, because it makes you feel better.  It's your main defense mechanism, a wall that allows you to avoid facing what being a mainstream liberal really means.

Go back to sleep.  It's what you're going to do anyway.
2013-02-08 09:30:10 AM
1 votes:

Atypical Person Reading Fark: Worse than trolling.  Not funny either.  Worse than any attempt I've seen or composed myself.


Luckily you can say almost anything you want to on Fark as long as you don't call an actual registered poster a mean name
2013-02-08 09:12:25 AM
1 votes:

MagicMissile: Where's Chris Kyle when you need him..... I hope they take this insane douchebag out with a .50 cal Barrett.

What an insane commie racist piece of shiat. How did he get by all the checks to become a police officer? This is disturbing.


Commie racist liberal that wanted really badly to vote for Jon Huntsman, and gives props to Chris Christie?

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2013-02-08 08:44:22 AM
1 votes:

Kubo: A tip for all Farkers who claim to be unsure of which side they should be on in all this:

When in doubt, choose the side that hasn't voiced an intention to target and kill wives and children as a means to even some playing field.

Unless, of course, that would make you lose your edge. Then your hands are tied.


so which isn't shooting at innocents?
2013-02-08 05:04:48 AM
1 votes:

The Larch: CuttySupreme: I figured he would be a liberal.  I hope this makes the anti-gunner's heads explode in disbelief.

Were you surprised when you found out that he wasn't a liberal?

And, since I'm kind of slow, can you give me some clue what an "anti-gunner" and a "pro-gunner" are?


He is obviously a liberal.  He praises Dianne Feinstein, the AWB, Barack Obama, Ellen Degeneres,allowing women in combat, Trayvon Martin, a bunch of liberal journalists.

He also praised Dianne Feinstein and the new AWB and demonized Wayne LaPierre, which is ironic since he has several "assault rifles".

Anti-gunner = Pro gun control
2013-02-08 04:29:03 AM
1 votes:

bootman: ongbok: but I think he really did kill himself and that manifesto will be the last we hear from him.

If that is the case ~6' ~270lb. African American males across the country will need to assume a fetal position for the foreseeable future.


They have been doing so since the 60's. Hell every black man between 5' 2" and 6' 6" no matter the weight been doing that for some time.

You obviously have never been told you fit the description just because you are the same color as the perp, even though you don't fit any of the physical description of the person.
2013-02-08 04:20:39 AM
1 votes:

ongbok: but I think he really did kill himself and that manifesto will be the last we hear from him.


If that is the case ~6' ~270lb. African American males across the country will need to assume a fetal position for the foreseeable future.
2013-02-08 04:04:14 AM
1 votes:

Mitrovarr: ongbok: I would go with the second option. Think about it, he sent out his manifesto, got media attention with his killing spree, now people are talking about his manifesto and the accusations he has made. I'm willing to say that in his mind his job is done, and he knew once he killed those cops and the cops family, that he wouldn't ever live to speak his mind in front of a camera. Plus if he killed himself someplace where it would take a while to find his body, then the manhunt for him would continue to draw news coverege for a few more days, which in turn would keep people talking about his claims of corruption.

Can you imagine the mindfark to the targets listed in the manifesto if he did just nip off and shoot himself somewhere he won't be found? They'd have to live their entire lives never knowing if he was dead or was going to step out of the shadows someday and kill them or their family.

Actually, that might be his plan. If he actually wanted to go after them, he would have had to be an absolute idiot (or incredibly arrogant) to mention them in the manifesto. They've all had plenty of time to go into protective custody now and they're not going to come out for a while, whereas if he had went from target to target without raising attention there's a chance that nobody would have tied the killings to one another or figured out who he was until he was done. Maybe he's already killed the ones he really wanted to go after and just wanted to terrorize the rest. Or maybe those aren't really his targets.


I really think that this spree was just to get his claims out to the media. I could be wrong, but I think he really did kill himself and that manifesto will be the last we hear from him. However the LAPD actions over the next few days will bring the claims he made in his manifesto to light.

Sometimes it take the actions of a mad man to bring about revolution, or in this case to uncover corrupt practices and to bring about change.
2013-02-08 03:09:23 AM
1 votes:

Langdon_777: steerforth: ''Those lesbian officers in supervising positions who go to work, day in day out, with the sole intent of attempting to prove your misandrist authority (not feminism) to degrade male officers. You are a high value target."

This guy's a Farker.

Those paragraphs made me think that the manifesto we linked to was added too by farker types, esp. when later he is praising gay & lesbians for their commitment to equality (the whole Elen paragraph.)


It's that weird Farker thing where even though the screed is out and out nutjobedness, it is all spelled correctly with reasonably good sentence structure. I think you're on to something there.
2013-02-08 03:05:48 AM
1 votes:
You don't seem to want to accept the fact you're dealing with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best, with guns, with knives, with his bare hands. A man who's been trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat puke. In Iraqis his job was to dispose of enemy personnel. To kill! Period! Win by attrition. Well Dorner was the best. Well, maybe not the best, but he is a huge black guy with a bunch of guns.
2013-02-08 03:02:10 AM
1 votes:

ongbok: seelorq: ongbok: seelorq: Atypical Person Reading Fark: Kittypie070: Does anyone even remember Posse Comitatus?

Military can't be used as Po-Po.

Sheesh you guys.

What if they declare him a terrorist?  The word is used so randomly...it can be stretched just a bit.

1992 LA riots. Troops deployed pursuant to Insurrection Act.

Do you mean the National Guard? Because the governor of the state has control over the National Guard, but to send in Federal troops, the president would have to suspend Posse Comitatus, which isn't going to happen for this guy.

California Army National Guard, yes, but also over 3500 US infantry, MPs, and Marines. Study it out.

So you are saying that the governor of California has the authority to suspend Posse Comitatus  and mobilize the U;S Army and Marines? Maybe you should study it out.


Did I say that? No. The US military was deployed in LA in 1992. It happened. Go read about why.
And stop putting farking words in my mouth.
2013-02-08 03:00:05 AM
1 votes:

steerforth: ''Those lesbian officers in supervising positions who go to work, day in day out, with the sole intent of attempting to prove your misandrist authority (not feminism) to degrade male officers. You are a high value target."

This guy's a Farker.


Those paragraphs made me think that the manifesto we linked to was added too by farker types, esp. when later he is praising gay & lesbians for their commitment to equality (the whole Elen paragraph.)
2013-02-08 02:46:27 AM
1 votes:
Postscript:

I hope that walking-tragedy-turned-scumbag-disgrace freezes to death in the boonies and the coyotes gnaw on his ass.

And as a result of all this rotten bloody bullsh*t the gods damn LAPD gets the Augean Stables treatment from the Feds.

Or from Satan. Or ANYBODY, dammit.

One can only hope.

Good night all.
2013-02-08 02:37:27 AM
1 votes:
parasol-

No, he just wants you understand how you'll never understand like he does. That's what he does. He UNDERSTANDS better than you do. Understand?
2013-02-08 02:20:49 AM
1 votes:

All_Farked_Up: He made a lot of good points. Unfortunately his message will be marginalized because of this rampage.



We likely wouldn't have read any of his points, good or ridiculous, without the rampage. The universe is a strange place indeed.

I'm late to the thread. Sorry if it's already been posted.
2013-02-08 02:20:21 AM
1 votes:
InitialCommentGuy -

I've read all your posts and this last struck me "There will be a report, and an investigation"

Yes, indeed

Most mornings I'm up by 4:30 am, slurping coffee on the porch, pre-dawn. Our street is heavily wooded and curves, and yet? i can HEAR the car the paper delivery man drives - he drives slowly and stops at more than one house.

I'd like to see the report written by an officer who was presumably parked parallel to the road with the specific intent to look for threats who ended up in firing his (or her) weapon. I wasn't there and can't say what happened (although your posts indicate you were) - but, yes, that report would interest me.
2013-02-08 02:10:17 AM
1 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: Warlordtrooper: If I went up to a truck delivering newspapers and put 20 rounds into it because I "thought" there might be a murderer in there what would happen to me?  Why should the cops who shot two women face anything less then charges of attempted murder?

Waaaah! I don't get to do what duly appointed representatives of the law do! These police officers get to do things I don't! Waaaaah!

There will be a report, and an investigation.  Welcome to policy that exists.  Want to change it?  Vote.


Really now? And exactly where are " duly appointed representatives of the law" given power to unload rounds?

1. Fleeing Felon... armed.
2. Confirmed suspect, actively dangerous to themselves or others..
3. Persons threatening grave harm to the officer. (Same as any other citizen)

What group do these people that the LAPD have been shooting up fall into?

Vote... hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahha

Oh... You were serious.
Poor man.
2013-02-08 02:05:21 AM
1 votes:

LincolnLogolas: I have to wonder if this is going to be one of those incredibly anticlimactic events where he manages to get away for long enough to where the public loses interest. Then he's picked up in a routine traffic stop a few years later, and a few people go "Oh, THAT guy? I thought they had got him already. Huh."

Or maybe he's found his way well into the mountains, found a nice quiet cave, and killed himself, to where nobody finds the body for a few years. Same effect, really.It WOULD be nice if this actually led to some good external investigations of LAPD practices, but I doubt it.


I would go with the second option. Think about it, he sent out his manifesto, got media attention with his killing spree, now people are talking about his manifesto and the accusations he has made. I'm willing to say that in his mind his job is done, and he knew once he killed those cops and the cops family, that he wouldn't ever live to speak his mind in front of a camera. Plus if he killed himself someplace where it would take a while to find his body, then the manhunt for him would continue to draw news coverege for a few more days, which in turn would keep people talking about his claims of corruption.
2013-02-08 02:01:47 AM
1 votes:

JohnnyApocalypse: He shot this girl


Allegedly.

Not saying he didn't. Just saying that's only assumed at this point.
2013-02-08 01:56:23 AM
1 votes:

seelorq: Atypical Person Reading Fark: Kittypie070: Does anyone even remember Posse Comitatus?

Military can't be used as Po-Po.

Sheesh you guys.

What if they declare him a terrorist?  The word is used so randomly...it can be stretched just a bit.

1992 LA riots. Troops deployed pursuant to Insurrection Act.


Do you mean the National Guard? Because the governor of the state has control over the National Guard, but to send in Federal troops, the president would have to suspend Posse Comitatus, which isn't going to happen for this guy.
2013-02-08 01:55:43 AM
1 votes:
I have to wonder if this is going to be one of those incredibly anticlimactic events where he manages to get away for long enough to where the public loses interest. Then he's picked up in a routine traffic stop a few years later, and a few people go "Oh, THAT guy? I thought they had got him already. Huh."

Or maybe he's found his way well into the mountains, found a nice quiet cave, and killed himself, to where nobody finds the body for a few years. Same effect, really.It WOULD be nice if this actually led to some good external investigations of LAPD practices, but I doubt it.
2013-02-08 01:49:25 AM
1 votes:

Atypical Person Reading Fark: Kittypie070: Does anyone even remember Posse Comitatus?

Military can't be used as Po-Po.

Sheesh you guys.

What if they declare him a terrorist?  The word is used so randomly...it can be stretched just a bit.


They don't even need to. Posse Comitatus doesn't say you can't use military as police.

It says that the President (or Federal Govt) may not use our Federal Armed forces to enforce civilian law. I say President because while the act states Federal Government, the only other entity in the Federal Government that could issue orders is the same entity that is permitted to bypass the Act should it be necessary (riots and the like)

Any member of the military can be a cop. Nat Guard troops are permitted to be used as a police force as well. There are enough exceptions that Posse Comitatus (like so many important historical document meant to restrict our Fed government) is basically "this is law... unless we say it isn't"
2013-02-08 01:42:57 AM
1 votes:

Atypical Person Reading Fark: Kittypie070: Does anyone even remember Posse Comitatus?

Military can't be used as Po-Po.

Sheesh you guys.

What if they declare him a terrorist?  The word is used so randomly...it can be stretched just a bit.


1992 LA riots. Troops deployed pursuant to Insurrection Act.
2013-02-08 01:35:48 AM
1 votes:

GregoryD: Elegy: the one nearly twice that length that rambles on about Michelle Obama's hair and gun control?

that is the real one.

the slimed down version was edited. the names and shoutouts were removed

CNN got mailed a copy on feb 1

conspiratards claim the reverse


Ok. So you're saying the "unedited" one with all the dopey shout outs is the original one, and the shorter coherent one is actually the edited one.

Interesting.

Of course, so far the major networks are refusing to publish the original manifesto, so can I ask how you know which is which?

/not a conspiracy tard
//just curious
2013-02-08 01:34:11 AM
1 votes:

Langston: Honestly, it's really freaking long and is all over the map. There's a big bit up front about his specific reasons for why he's angry at the LAPD and the officers that (he says) turned on him, but then it rambles all over the place. Politics, friendships, shiat that happened to him in middle school, missing the third installment of the Hangover...

I feel badly that his live was screwed up like this, and I don't know how much of it is other people's fault and how much of it is his fault. I do know that a gun rampage and threats to kill other people and their families has a way of undermining everything he said about his moral compass.

Sadly, the last of the blood hasn't been shed here.


- it starts as an explanation, and turns into a suicide note.
-
2013-02-08 01:31:13 AM
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: Would one of the resident cop apologists like to explain how murdering innocent people because they were driving the wrong kind of car is somehow acceptable police policy?


Not an apologist for cops at all, but what we have is two women wounded by overly jumpy cops. Nobody killed in this case except the ones Dorner has allegedly killed.
From what someone posted earlier in the thread it sounds like tomorrow will be a bad day to be driving a light colored car, trucks should be good again.
2013-02-08 01:25:15 AM
1 votes:
We saw the two ladies shot in the first truck on teevee. Anyone hear anything about the driver of the second one that got rammed and then blam blammed? Teevee says no injuries. Why no news interviews? That is, after the pants were changed and all. You'd think they'd want to dish. Detained instead?
2013-02-08 01:23:38 AM
1 votes:

Atypical Person Reading Fark: Owangotang: Talk about fairness and justice with obsessive attention to detail regarding your own experiences of being marginalized and shafted...

Make orphans?

It's not about fairness or justice at all to this asshole, it is pure narcissism. The world is unfair, dipsh*t. Get over it. Real men work to make it better.No one gives the tiniest mouse turd that you think Louis CK is awesome, you arrogant sack of monkey sh*t. I hope you die of hypothermia in the higher elevations as your asinine Rambo fantasy slips from your mind and you are filled with nothing but cold and quiet.

What's interesting, though, is that many of us encounter at least this degree of narcissism in some coworker or another on a daily basis - it's practically the new normal.


Narcissism? Like the LAPD shooting up two  automobiles drivin by innocents out of pure dumb guessing Dorner was driving them?

LAPD is not innocent and a lot of what Dorner says is most likely truth and holds a lot of ground. LAPD shooting up innocents car with assassination squads proves it. There are no winners in this regardless. LAPD is corrupt and while Dorner makes a lot of valid points his killing of innocents negates any sanity his words had.
2013-02-08 01:20:22 AM
1 votes:
Does anyone even remember Posse Comitatus?

Military can't be used as Po-Po.

Sheesh you guys.
2013-02-08 01:17:58 AM
1 votes:
Talk about fairness and justice with obsessive attention to detail regarding your own experiences of being marginalized and shafted...

Make orphans?

It's not about fairness or justice at all to this asshole, it is pure narcissism. The world is unfair, dipsh*t. Get over it. Real men work to make it better.No one gives the tiniest mouse turd that you think Louis CK is awesome, you arrogant sack of monkey sh*t. I hope you die of hypothermia in the higher elevations as your asinine Rambo fantasy slips from your mind and you are filled with nothing but cold and quiet.
2013-02-08 01:14:29 AM
1 votes:
Have not been following this story all day,  what happened to those incidents where police supposedly thought the guy was in a vehicle and opened fire only to find out they killed innocent people?

Are those innocent people ever going to see justice for this?
Will the cops who shot those people ever see murder charges?
2013-02-08 01:13:35 AM
1 votes:

Coelacanth: I'm trying to figure out how this guy ditched his car in Big Bear and then escaped. It's been awhile since I've been there, but it's pretty much a white majority up there. Unless he stole or had another car stashed away up there, it would take him maybe a day or two to hike back down to Riverside.


why do you presume this guy hasn't a friend in the world? he could have gotten someone else to drop it off and melt away, false trail. That's "unconventional".
2013-02-08 01:09:24 AM
1 votes:
I'm trying to figure out how this guy ditched his car in Big Bear and then escaped. It's been awhile since I've been there, but it's pretty much a white majority up there. Unless he stole or had another car stashed away up there, it would take him maybe a day or two to hike back down to Riverside.
2013-02-08 01:03:00 AM
1 votes:

Elegy: So wait. Which is the real manifesto? The 11 page, extremely coherent one, or the one nearly twice that length that rambles on about Michelle Obama's hair and gun control?


There seems to be 3 variants out there

1. - Full names etc
2. - One with the names removed
3. - One that looks like someone from 9gag edited it
2013-02-08 12:58:07 AM
1 votes:
We live in an insane asylum


//and all the inmates are heavily armed
2013-02-08 12:55:01 AM
1 votes:

Atypical Person Reading Fark: doglover: Can we deploy Special Ops on this guy as "a threat to national security" ?

I doubt we need to, but it would make for a good training mission to deploy against a trained guy with real weapons.

It looks like that's what the LAPD would most like to happen, given that right now they are trying to stay out of sight (and sending SARS personnel in to the more rugged terrain where Dorner may be traveling.)

Drones, I keep saying.  Feds will bring in drones.


The guy probably has killed himself by now. He has gotten the media's attention. got everybody talking about his manifesto, and in his mind exposed the police force's corruption, so in his mind his job is done. He probably went someplace out of the way and killed himself, and won't be found for a while.
2013-02-08 12:49:28 AM
1 votes:

doglover: Can we deploy Special Ops on this guy as "a threat to national security" ?

I doubt we need to, but it would make for a good training mission to deploy against a trained guy with real weapons.


My understanding is that SpecOps leaves a lot of collateral damage.  They're not police officers.

If SpecOps was involved, those two elderly asian women delivering newspapers probably wouldn't have gone to the hospital.  And there would be a lot of other people who probably wouldn't go to the hospital, too.
2013-02-08 12:34:27 AM
1 votes:

Atypical Person Reading Fark: pedrop357: supershaft: pedrop357: NHP is looking for a White 2005 Lexus with NV plate 534SUV (maybe 543SUV-forgot) in connection with this.  I don't know if NHP is as trigger happy as the LAPD, but I'd be scared if I was driving a Lexus of any color with Metro or Henderson PD nearby

Where'd you get that? Just curious

overheard on scanner

Hearing "white car" on scanner here too (SoCal).  So, tomorrow, the Lexus/similar drivers in light colored cars should call in sick.


Or the bus. But then it will go out that he is taking public transportation, and you can guess what is next.
2013-02-08 12:17:23 AM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: I, for one, believe that the LAPD will learn a VALUABLE LESSON from this episode: Don't fire whistle-blowers.


Kill them.


Well, to be fair, it is easier than avoiding the original offense.
2013-02-08 12:08:38 AM
1 votes:
What a bunch of pussies:

"Police officers in the area are taking defensive positions and trying to remain indoors as much as possible -- declining to respond to minor "barking dog"-type calls, http://abcnews.go.com/US/lapd-officer-suspected-shooting-cops-two-slay ings/story?id=18427632">according to ABC News -- in hopes of not becoming his next victim. "
2013-02-08 12:06:20 AM
1 votes:
so he accused his training supervisor of kicking of kicking a suspect in the head and they fired him for lying?
and then they go out randomly trying to murder people in pickup trucks?
that police force is out of control and really needs to be burned to the ground.
2013-02-08 12:04:02 AM
1 votes:

Atypical Person Reading Fark: beta_plus: This woman would be alive today if liberals did not preach a culture of hate.

[a.scpr.org image 216x324]

Worse than trolling.  Not funny either.  Worse than any attempt I've seen or composed myself.


I dunno. Let's ask her what she thinks... oh that's right.

/You must have missed the Sandy Hook threads
2013-02-08 12:01:56 AM
1 votes:
well, this thread certainly has everything.
i guess i'm happy that i live in a small town, work for a respected local business, am white, and own a home.
sure, every once in a while the cops give me a speeding ticket, i'm nice to them, they tell me how to get it knocked down (when they don't just let me off with a warning).
i'm nice because i realize they pretty much deal with the worst my area has to offer on a regular basis, and the one time i've had to call them they showed up really quickly and i was glad.
i can't imagine what "the worst" of somewhere like LA is like.
but...yeah, even in my small town, there are officers that are dicks.  even in a small, rural county the job attracts petty tyrants.
i can't imagine the dicks that become cops in large cities.  i also can't imagine the shiat decent cops put up with in large cities.
i mean i guess it's a hard job no matter where you are, but a bunch of assholes want that job because of the power it entails.
so it's likely this guy's complaints are legit.......BUT
he killed that dude's daughter?  and her fiance?
and also shot some other cops and killed one?

ExperianScaresCthulhu:

No one wins :(
2013-02-07 11:54:14 PM
1 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: KrispyKritter: if America was the great country the propaganda pushers pretend it is this affair would lead to our President having the entire PD in question under deep investigation. this would be the start of a new and better day.

We should encourage prospective serial killers to go through with their actions if it helps to provide them a platform for their political views.

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>Hot as Helter Skelter


I agree. But Charlie is not a good example. Charlie was a spoiled little boy, a recidivist, a drug abuser, a user of people and an all-around jail learned scumbag. His charades were not political. He was angry after having the briefest touch with fame in recording. An awake and aware manager in The Beach Boys record label recognized Charlie as an ex-convict and a general ne'r-do-well with whom the clean cut all American pop band could not afford to be associated with.
That man saw to it the plug was pulled and Charlie lost his contacts and watched his dream of being a recording star go down the drain. That same fellow had lived at the house where the Helter Skelter Polansky/Folger (etcetera) murders took place. Charlie was so batshiat crazy he didn't even care that the recording executive no longer lived there, in the house where he (charlie) had attended a party years before.
It wasn't a black/white thing. That was to sell newspapers. And it had nothing to do with politics either. Charlie was just an asshole.
2013-02-07 11:52:30 PM
1 votes:

Fano: First Green Lantern and now Judge Dredd. What beloved heroes will not be rebooted as african americans?


This story actually reminds me more of Two-Face in The Dark Knight.
2013-02-07 11:47:56 PM
1 votes:

justtray: Atypical Person Reading Fark: justtray: Can we get a Hero tag here? Like someone said early on (and I've read every 600+ comments) the guy who wrongly dismissed him and wouldn't remove himself as a conflict of interest now hopefully has enough regret for getting his daughter and her fiance killed that he too, hopefully, kills himself. There are really no bad ways this can end so long as he keeps targetting cops. Hopefully he won't have to resort to killing anymore of their families. And he has now shined a light on what seems to be a disgustingly corrupt system.

To add on to the fun, the cops will now have what looks like four separate lawsuits for criminal negligence in shooting random people. They did a great job of proving how they're not interested in legal justice, and instead intent on covering up all wrongdoing. If I had any respect for the LAPD, it was entirely lost when they decided to start shooting and ramming random cars that don't fit the description of the suspect vehicle.

Hopefully after the lawsuits, there will be numerous terminations for everyone involved in the shootings, and everyone going up the ladder involved in these corruption charges and coverups.

Then I give Mr. Dorner permission to die.

The way you tell it, I can hear Samurai swinging their swords in the air  -  and one man making the decision to fall, at last, upon his own blade.

I suppose I could have been more poetic =)


I think you did a good job laying it out and this is exactly how I feel. The LAPD for years has been a horrible place to be for a cop and it's organization is roten to the core. I think his manifesto brings up some good points and like others I wish they could be investigated but they won't be they will be silenced. There are a lot of people who need to be fired and to fall on their sword but I am afraid the leadership in LAPD right now are doing everything they can to cover their own asses.

This whole thing plays out kind of like the Samuel L Jackson movie "the negotiator." Except now the LAPD are jumpy and putting bullets into 4 people for no reason.
2013-02-07 11:46:00 PM
1 votes:

Jacobin: Serpico on steroids


WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM
WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM
WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM
WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM
WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM
WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM


NO!! NO!!

He's NOT Serpico, you IDIOT!!

Go eat a bowl of soap soup and learn not to besmirch the names of your betters!!
2013-02-07 11:42:41 PM
1 votes:

FlyingJ: Strange part is since he's gave a shout-out to John & Ken from KFI-AM in there they've actually been somewhat sympathetic, delving into his original complaints against the LAPD & how that termination on the abuse report boned his Security Clearance with the Navy & snowballed...


They didn't sound sympathetic to me at all. They accused him of being a moral purist, someone who had unrealistic standards in what he expected from others. They mocked his repeated reporting of bad behavior from fellow officers to the higher-ups, comparing him to a tattle-tale child. Basically their psychological narrative is that he grew up expecting the police to be good guys, and when he was disappointed to find out the reality he turned psycho. So the lesson from J&K: never expect or demand good from anyone, or you'll become a homicidal monster.

I like J&K, and think they get a lot of things right, but sometimes they can be downright irrational and nihilistic. The thing that grinds my gears about their take on this is that they're normally the kings of demanding that people do the right thing. They yelled and screamed for a year at the Fullerton cops for looking the other way on the Kelly Thomas case (as they should have). They yelled and screamed for years at Cardinal Roger Mahony for looking the other way on pedophile priests (again, as they should have). I don't see how any of that is different from this guy's grievances against the LAPD. Now there's no question that he's a nutter and an evil homicidal maniac, but I don't doubt that he's right about LAPD's corruption, how the force is filled with bad guys who ought to be exposed (not all of them, obviously, probably not even a majority, but as the saying goes, a few bad apples yadda blah etc.). If he could have contained his behavior to the realm of civility, he could have been a hero.
2013-02-07 11:31:35 PM
1 votes:

justtray: Can we get a Hero tag here? Like someone said early on (and I've read every 600+ comments) the guy who wrongly dismissed him and wouldn't remove himself as a conflict of interest now hopefully has enough regret for getting his daughter and her fiance killed that he too, hopefully, kills himself. There are really no bad ways this can end so long as he keeps targetting cops. Hopefully he won't have to resort to killing anymore of their families. And he has now shined a light on what seems to be a disgustingly corrupt system.

To add on to the fun, the cops will now have what looks like four separate lawsuits for criminal negligence in shooting random people. They did a great job of proving how they're not interested in legal justice, and instead intent on covering up all wrongdoing. If I had any respect for the LAPD, it was entirely lost when they decided to start shooting and ramming random cars that don't fit the description of the suspect vehicle.

Hopefully after the lawsuits, there will be numerous terminations for everyone involved in the shootings, and everyone going up the ladder involved in these corruption charges and coverups.

Then I give Mr. Dorner permission to die.


The way you tell it, I can hear Samurai swinging their swords in the air  -  and one man making the decision to fall, at last, upon his own blade.
2013-02-07 11:26:07 PM
1 votes:

Langdon_777: Subject titles would have been a nice start in improving the readability of this rant. Oh and a content page and index.


He was in a hurry.  Still way better than my (college) students' term papers. Way, way better.  Or most police reports I've read.
2013-02-07 11:24:36 PM
1 votes:
What kind of crazy person is only sad about going on a suicidal rampage because they will miss The Hangover III?!??!

This whole story is pretty sad and scary. Also, the cops accidentally shooting women?? So this is normal for LAPD?
2013-02-07 11:23:05 PM
1 votes:

beta_plus: This woman would be alive today if liberals did not preach a culture of hate.

[a.scpr.org image 216x324]


You are trying extra hard for attention tonight. Are you lonely?
2013-02-07 11:13:20 PM
1 votes:

Atypical Person Reading Fark: That LAPD would fired on TWO "innocent" cars in one manhunt is not surprising.  The LAPD act scared, maybe they have reason to be.  Their behavior is not, in general, good.  And I am a law abiding citizen.


I don't know so much if it's the LAPD are scared as that they're determined to fulfill at all costs this vengeful code of honour which decrees that alleged cop killers have to die before they're brought to trial, regardless of the risk to the general public. Why the hell do the rest of us put up with this nonsense? Have everyone's brains been addled by too many crime dramas on TV, so that most people think it acceptable for the police to do an end- run around due process in certain situations?

/but then again I am a conservative, and so a dangerous anti- government type
2013-02-07 11:12:57 PM
1 votes:

LesserEvil: JungleBoogie: LesserEvil: Also, I have no idea where Farkers are getting info on the newspaper deliver girl shootings, but I can't find any reference on how many officers were involved. For all we know, it was a lone officer (who reloaded 3 times).

If you have more info, please share the link... I haven't seen a single word on the victims of those shootings (and they were victims of the LAPD).

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/07/16888732-women-shot-by-co ps -were-just-delivering-papers

Thanks.

So, we have the blue truck fired upon by 30 rounds (at least, given the count of an LAPD supporter in this thread), but supposedly only 3 find their mark, on two passengers. The other vehicle is rammed (the rear wheel is completely gone) and also riddled with bullets (there is a photo showing bullet holes low in the drivers' side windshield), but somehow, miraculously, the driver was not injured (airbag must be bulletproof).

I'm doubtful we are being told the whole truth of the extent of injuries/condition of the victims, but if it's the truth, that's some horrible fire control. When I shot on the range with the venerable 1911 I could lay a nice grouping in the target. I was a 3rd award Rifle Expert, and coached when I was in Okinawa, but even the worst guys on our range could do better than that at the distance those officers were probably shooting from, even with pistols.

The whole thing is just disturbing. Police officers that unload everything they have, but can't kill the innocent occupants of vehicles they can't properly identify. I hadn't realized Mr Magoo had joined the LAPD. Has anybody done a door-to-door check to see if any stray bullets killed anybody nearby?


If they found any bodies they would be labeled as gang related.
2013-02-07 11:12:46 PM
1 votes:

AndreMA: InitialCommentGuy: Multiple plainclothes individuals and cops run forward in the middle of your route, declare, tell you to pull over.

Because carjackers are unable to yell "Stop! Police!"


It's entirely possible that people out at 5 am delivering newspapers in LA didn't speak a word of English.
2013-02-07 11:12:42 PM
1 votes:

LesserEvil: JungleBoogie: LesserEvil: Also, I have no idea where Farkers are getting info on the newspaper deliver girl shootings, but I can't find any reference on how many officers were involved. For all we know, it was a lone officer (who reloaded 3 times).

If you have more info, please share the link... I haven't seen a single word on the victims of those shootings (and they were victims of the LAPD).

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/07/16888732-women-shot-by-co ps -were-just-delivering-papers

Thanks.

So, we have the blue truck fired upon by 30 rounds (at least, given the count of an LAPD supporter in this thread), but supposedly only 3 find their mark, on two passengers. The other vehicle is rammed (the rear wheel is completely gone) and also riddled with bullets (there is a photo showing bullet holes low in the drivers' side windshield), but somehow, miraculously, the driver was not injured (airbag must be bulletproof).

I'm doubtful we are being told the whole truth of the extent of injuries/condition of the victims, but if it's the truth, that's some horrible fire control. When I shot on the range with the venerable 1911 I could lay a nice grouping in the target. I was a 3rd award Rifle Expert, and coached when I was in Okinawa, but even the worst guys on our range could do better than that at the distance those officers were probably shooting from, even with pistols.

The whole thing is just disturbing. Police officers that unload everything they have, but can't kill the innocent occupants of vehicles they can't properly identify. I hadn't realized Mr Magoo had joined the LAPD. Has anybody done a door-to-door check to see if any stray bullets killed anybody nearby?


I heart you.  Indeed, one of the more disturbing aspects of this - and it's ongoing.  Even the police here, some 50 miles away from the epicenter of this, are acting all crazy.  Even CalTrans guys are freaked out, where I live.  The freakin' local crossing guard is worried the police will think ever big SUV going by is the Killer.
2013-02-07 11:10:50 PM
1 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: SubBass49: I'm gonna guess that his life spiraled out of control after that.  He lost his military career/clearance after they caught wind of his LAPD firing (according to his manifesto).  This completely farked his life.  I completely understand everything he's done with the exception of targeting family members of the people that wronged him.  Someone's kids should always be off limits, no matter what.

Alright.  You condone murder.  Brilliant!

Protip: You don't lose clearance over being fired from your other gig.  Now a psych writeup...


Yes, you do.  The reservist camps and bases they use, here in SoCal will deny clearance over an unpaid parking ticket.  Where TF are you getting your information?  It's true it usually takes them more than a few months, but they can and do constantly repeal clearances, for the tiniest reason.  This is not the first or only outburst related to that issue.  But it's the military, they can do whatever they want (YELLOW ALERT).  Since I've seen people denied clearance for far less, I do not find it at all incredible.
2013-02-07 11:03:11 PM
1 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: thisisarepeat: he was terminated for turning in superior officers

And so what did he do in the next five years after that?  Because termination -> murderer doesn't jibe well.


I believe he spent much of the intervening time trying to overturn the firing by going through the state courts. At least that's what I gather from the document following the manifesto in the linked article (dated October 3, 2011). So the question is "what did he do in the 18 months after that?"

I'd guess that some of that year and a half was spent trying to find additional ways to work within the system to overturn what he perceived as a terrible injustice.
2013-02-07 11:00:11 PM
1 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: thisisarepeat: he was terminated for turning in superior officers

And so what did he do in the next five years after that?  Because termination -> murderer doesn't jibe well.


He probably tried for a while to find a way to get revenge without being prosecuted.
2013-02-07 10:58:38 PM
1 votes:

LesserEvil: Also, I have no idea where Farkers are getting info on the newspaper deliver girl shootings, but I can't find any reference on how many officers were involved. For all we know, it was a lone officer (who reloaded 3 times).

If you have more info, please share the link... I haven't seen a single word on the victims of those shootings (and they were victims of the LAPD).


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/07/16888732-women-shot-by-co ps -were-just-delivering-papers
2013-02-07 10:58:32 PM
1 votes:
That LAPD would fired on TWO "innocent" cars in one manhunt is not surprising.  The LAPD act scared, maybe they have reason to be.  Their behavior is not, in general, good.  And I am a law abiding citizen.

What a story.

He is fighting corruption because, due to his actions, at least one corrupt higher-up will be examined and curtailed.  Too bad it takes that much to accomplish it.  I strongly suspect that many careers will be ruined by this, and of course, entire lives.  I am guessing that the manifesto is correct in some respects:  that other cops know something of which he speaks.  He set a big wheel in motion.
2013-02-07 10:57:36 PM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Jackson Herring: Seriously, literally delete the entire main page. fark this piece of shiat thread.

versus what?  figuratively delete it?

what a surprise to find cop haters on fark - some who want to root for this out of control liberal killer with a gun.

pathetic.


Liberals literally cause every problem you've ever had or you will ever have in your life.
I wish I could buy you a life time supply of handkerchiefs to dry your never ending tears.
2013-02-07 10:47:26 PM
1 votes:

JungleBoogie: Being a cop,

E

verything you say is now irrelevant.  You are part of the problem, you are a danger to all of us.  Frankly you scare the shiat out of me.   Everything you say now after that line is either propaganda or a simple reflection of what has been beaten into your head in the system that has absorbed you.  Your not even a person any more, your just a appendage to a machine that eats what it wants and poops out misery.  The only real question is are you aware of it and dont care or are you like most who believe that everything the machine does is for the best of the citizens?

But.....Please dont hunt me down and kill my family just because I believe that you belong to a corrupt system running rampant and farking over civilians though.  I would really appreciate it.  Please?

/dont taze me bro!
or shoot me, or make up charges, or threaten to kill me and plant evidence because your kid hurt his hand beating up my son and knocking out my sons tooth...strangely oddly specific that last one dont ya think so?
2013-02-07 10:47:22 PM
1 votes:

LesserEvil: All three of them exercised poor judgment


Not being there, and not having any f*cking clue what happened aside from supposition, I'd just choose to hear what the board finds in their after action report. If it's unjustified, fire them and put them on trial.

Once that first round goes off, you and the people next to you just unload. That may not be procedure, but it's instinctive and if they were trained in the military, that is the first thing they learned. Shoot until you see nothing moving.

I'm not making any excuses for anyone. I'm just trying to be realistic.
2013-02-07 10:46:51 PM
1 votes:

MurphyMurphy: I really hope no one "innocent" gets hurt here...


I see his first two victims were complete innocents.

I now no longer care what his mission or message is. Whatever injustice he was battling, he has become the greater evil.

Do what you will in this world, but leave the bystanders and unaffiliated out of it.
2013-02-07 10:44:09 PM
1 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Corn_Fed: Kumana Wanalaia: Corn_Fed:  Go Dorner!

Did his manifesto seem venomous and rage-filled to you?


Yeah, I read it and had a very different reaction.  The guy seems to be level-headed, if obviously very pissed at this point.

The fact that, after five years of trying to whistle-blow within the system, and going through the proper channels, and NONE of us had ever heard of this last week, tells me that it was useless to try to try that avenue anymore.

His life and reputation was ruined, and was out of other options. I wish he hadn't targeted the daughter of his opponent--he lost his moral credibility on that. But if he'd stayed true strictly to those who were corrupting the system, he'd be deserving of a statue.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that needs to be addressed.

It won't.  It'll get buried, just like a real discussion of his note is going to get buried under tabloidism and misrepresentation.

So if I don't get my way after five years I should take the most extreme path possible?

Well, Emma Stone hasn't called back after my offer... Best fire up the van and get my chloroform.


What path should he take?  When all else fails, what are more constructive ways to fight evil and corruption when your name is ruined by the very system which is supposed to represent justice?  You're right, shooting folks ain't the way.

But neither is giving up and giving in and letting go.  There has to be a constructive way to fight and be heard.  But maybe there isn't. Maybe he's doing his squeaky wheel thing.

Five years is a long time to suffer in silence while evil prospers.  You know what I mean?

No one wins :(
2013-02-07 10:43:57 PM
1 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: LookForTheArrow: InitialCommentGuy: LookForTheArrow: Kittypie070:
Are you always so diametrically opposed to logic?


1967 NRA establishes a gun ban in response to uppity black folk with guns. Now they want them when Obama's in the Black House. Not getting a rise outta me this thread, Jack.
2013-02-07 10:42:27 PM
1 votes:

Kittypie070: Delawheredad: If he were a white tea-bagger you Farkers would ALL be  itching to put the final bullet into the guy, This thread is really sickening.

Wasn't YOUR side of the aisle cheering on the so called Second Amendment solutions and screaming for a revolution against the oppressive gubmint and death panels awhile back?


Let's recapitulate the argument so far... Delawheredad claims that Farkers are hypocrites because normally they are quick to identify violent shooters as being "teabaggers" or some other kind of right- winger that they hate. You, in reply, are accusing  Delawheredad of being the sort of anti- government type who would cheer the murder of policemen. This isn't really any kind of an answer because 1) the original point Delawheredad was making is correct -- almost every shooting is initially identified on Fark as being the fault of conservatives and 2) you have no way of knowing whether or not Delawheredad is the kind of conservative who is sufficiently opposed to the excesses of the US government that he would consider violence as an alternative; you don't even know if he has any objection to the general nature of the US government at all. (Many conservatives still cling to the idea that authorities are naturally to be deferred to under most or all circumstances).

In short, if you live in an ideological echo- chamber you will have no idea that real- life conservatives may be more complex than the caricatures of them you have constructed in your mind.
2013-02-07 10:40:16 PM
1 votes:

Bontesla: BarkingUnicorn: Agarista: I cannot condone murder.  Murder for revenge over a career lost is disgusting.
Some tiny tiny part of me keeps trying to root for this guy, though.

Like I said two threads down, Dorner must have though, "If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em" ...at least in terms of tactics.

I cannot defend his actions, nor the actions of the police who shot at random trucks.
The best end is to have him stand trial before all he has harmed and accused, so they may testify as well. It does seem like the police are not willing to let that happen, and are willing to sacrifice more unrelated parties to prevent it from happening.  Let's hope my presumption turns out to be incorrect.

Dorne's gonna die in a hail of bullets.  He's gonna die because he wants to die, and the cops are happy to oblige him.

The cops didn't shoot at a "random" vehicle.  They shot at a vehicle that matched a description of the suspect's, approaching them slowly with headlights off at 5:00 a.m., after something was thrown out of its window.  They aren't "willing to sacrifice more unrelated parties."  They're scared shiatless and trigger-happy.  I would be the same in their position.

The only thing that really matched was the type of vehicle (ie. truck).
And if we allow them to shoot at all vehicles that drive "suspiciously" while being a truck - we're going to end up with a lot more victims. We should have higher expectations for the people we hire to protect our society.


I think you're being trolled, because this dumbass is ignoring the fact that these two women were driving away from two armed men who weren't in police uniform, that's standard practice in any major city and any plainclothes cop should realize they are suspect, even when holding up some shiny piece of metal.
2013-02-07 10:38:37 PM
1 votes:

ShawnDoc: ZeroCorpse: From the way he's talking, I think it would be easy to find him. Just look for the heavily-armed Black guy wearing this on his chest:

The Punisher doesn't kill cops or the children of those who wronged him.



Unless they're dirty.
2013-02-07 10:38:30 PM
1 votes:

JohnnyApocalypse: Sadly, this post will be swept away in the sea of derp, but...

There's a line. That line is taking a human life. For those who think, "Good for him, killing LAPD, because those guys have killed so many innocents already..."

Do you think the same when a vigilante kills an abortion doctor? Do you think the same when, say, a mother guns down a man who killed her child due to negligence? Where's the line for you, acceptable and unacceptable murder? You decry things like "it's OK when our side does it, since your side does it too", but this is the same thing.

NOTE: I am not saying whether or not this guy's complaints are valid. I'm sure there are dirty cops. He may have not gotten a fair shake. But what makes you think, OK. Now I'm just gonna murder people? What made that OK?

He shot this girl

[media.sacbee.com image 341x512]


Nothing made it okay, and I don't see anyone saying it's okay to kill innocents.

At the same time, the cops are dirty and they're trying to shut him up... so what other innocents have no voice which he tried to speak for and was shut down?  Two wrongs don't make a right, but the LAPD is not innocent, and it was be an awful shame if the LAPD got a slap on the wrist for their own slaughter of innocents just because those innocents aren't connected to a cop.  You know what I mean?
2013-02-07 10:36:49 PM
1 votes:
i50.tinypic.com
2013-02-07 10:34:13 PM
1 votes:
He made a lot of good points. Unfortunately his message will be marginalized because of this rampage.
2013-02-07 10:33:31 PM
1 votes:
Just read a story that they're doing door to door searches in Big Bear, SWAT teams combing the woods, and urging residents to stay indoors. Given that the car was first reported at 8:30 this morning it seems unlikely that he is still hanging around there. I suppose the police have no choice but to make sure but if his goal is to fark with the heads of law enforcement he's doing a fine job. He could just hole up in some little shiat hotel somewhere for a couple days then pop up again and start this all over again.
I said this in an earlier thread, that gigantic pumpkin sized head of his is going to make it difficult for him to blend in anywhere, he pretty much needs to hide out during the day and do his mischief at night.
2013-02-07 10:32:53 PM
1 votes:

NewportBarGuy: LesserEvil: It looks like they reloaded their pistols several times. Nope, nothing like an assassination squad might do.

I count about 30 holes. That is one full clip from each officer.

Try again?


So... three officers, and NONE  OF THEM could see that the TOYOTA TACOMA was BRIGHT BLUE, not a Dark Grey Nissan Titan with a light package? All three of them exercised poor judgment and shot up the vehicle and its occupants for delivering newspapers in the early morning hours?

Was one on a ride-along?

I've seen LAPD handle a "hostile vehicle" situation.... PROCEDURE involves a spotlight (or 10)  on said vehicle, and plenty of backup.

Fine police work, Lou.

I am no cop hater. Dorner is a murderer who is clearly off the deep end, but the LAPD is no better, it seems. I'm glad our local police aren't like that.
2013-02-07 10:29:55 PM
1 votes:

Snotnose: I can't believe the news media hasn't picked up on the 2 trucks LAPD have shot. There was 1 sentence about it in whatever I'm watching now (oh, I have the technology. ABC World News), but during the 20 minute segment on this during the local news broadcast nary a word.

/ pretty happy at the moment I'm white


I would not want to be anyone driving a pickup truck within 50 miles of LA at the moment, white or black. Any police involved shooting is going to be defended by 'I was in fear for my life ... because Dorner...' - right or wrong, that's how it's going to be spun.
2013-02-07 10:27:09 PM
1 votes:

noheadphones: Zoth: Strange to find myself rooting for a cop. Hmm.... ex-cop, that is.

Yeah it was awesome when he killed those 2 innocent non-cops.


So what does that make the LAPD for gunning down people who don't look anything like him in vehicles which don't look anything like his?  Dude had a mental breakdown at some point.

LAPD has no excuse.

/I don't think he should take out family members
//Everybody else on the list can take care of themselves if they're that dirty
///Leave the family out of it, though
2013-02-07 10:26:14 PM
1 votes:

thisisarepeat: That makes them my enemy, and enemies deserve only death. I will not give them death, I have sacrificed enough.


Ha ha.  You have done nothing.  You've talked like a big man online because you're overcompensating for whatever shiatpile of loserdom you farking subsist in in meatspace.

You're not awesome, you're not badass, you're not persecuted and you're not scary.  Knock it the fark off.
2013-02-07 10:24:50 PM
1 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: Really?  Lots of paperboys who decide, when they are flagged down, to attempt to full speed out of the area?


Hope I'm never in that situation but, if I know I've done nothing wrong except maybe drive without headlights, and someone starts shooting at me, I suspect I'll floor it and get the eff out of there.  Isn't that what they teach bodyguard driverss?  Extricate yourself from the situation, then think?

I can't believe the news media hasn't picked up on the 2 trucks LAPD have shot.  There was 1 sentence about it in whatever I'm watching now (oh, I have the technology.  ABC World News), but during the 20 minute segment on this during the local news broadcast nary a word.

/ pretty happy at the moment I'm white
2013-02-07 10:18:41 PM
1 votes:

BSABSVR: thisisarepeat: The cops evidently consider my kids fair game.

1.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  You should have learned this somewhere around age 7.

2.  Nobody outside your immediate family gives a fark who you or your kids are (and maybe not even them) , let's not pretend otherwise.   If you want to puff yourself up, go to a farking strip club.  Either way, leave me out of it, you needily self-important goddamn loser.


I would love for your first point to be true.  I'm moving so that it might.  The fact of the matter is cops are bullies, they SEARCH for a reason to do you harm, god help you if you tell them that you will NOT comply with their commands because they have not served in combat, they have never known the fear and dread that comes with sharing a battlespace with a determined enemy, they have not soiled the sand with their blood and they know nothing of sacrifice in the name of this nation.  I have, and I will again.  All those assholes ever had to do was leave me alone.  I bother no one, so they have no duty to protect anyone from me.  They choose to harass me because I told them that they deserve no authority over me and I will not acknowledge it.  THAT is why they bother me.  I don't respect their AUTHORITI!  as cartman would put it.  You dont know me, so you dont give two shiats about me or my family, and neither do the pigs in your community.  Here in my small texas town, i'm Pablo Escabar  because weed makes my PTSD survivable longer.  The pigs farking hate that I won't quit and that I will tell them and any judge the same.  They can do nothing to me that hasnt been visited upon me already in a vastly more severe form, and that sticks in their fake badass craw so terribly that they hang around my house harassing visitors.  That makes them my enemy, and enemies deserve only death.  I will not give them death, I have sacrificed enough. They could just leave me alone, but they can not, for I have challenged their authority over what I consume personally.  DIAF.
2013-02-07 10:06:14 PM
1 votes:

accelerus: i read bits and pieces --


this is just some big black guy who thinks the world is out to get him. He got pissed his whinging and biatching didn't get taken seriously and is using it as an excuse to murder innocent people.

He thinks the world owes him something for being black. He's not some honorable saint, he's a murdering piece of shiat, and I truly hope when they do catch him, they shoot on site and wait till he's dead to call the paramedics.

All this supposedly stems from a complaint he lodged about a suspect being kicked/abused... she he got all bent out of shape over that, but sees nothing wrong with putting bullets into people's brains?

The sad thing is I've known more than one black person that has this "I'm black, I'm oppressed, I never succeeded because of the color of my skin, everything I do is okay" way of thinking.


If you replace the world "black" with "psychotic and delusional" I'll agree with everything you said here.

I have a close relative who is quite white and who, oddly enough, was also drummed off the police force and out of the military.  He thinks exactly along the lines of this manifesto and I feel about him the exact way you described in your post.  Fortunately for society, he is where he needs to be, locked up behind bars, and that happened before anyone died.
2013-02-07 10:04:14 PM
1 votes:
I, for one, believe that the LAPD will learn a VALUABLE LESSON from this episode: Don't fire whistle-blowers.


Kill them.
2013-02-07 10:03:28 PM
1 votes:
If thisisarepeat is half as badass as he pretends to be on the internet he'd be more than just talk.

/Go shootin', fat boy.  Go shootin'
2013-02-07 10:03:28 PM
1 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: Multiple plainclothes individuals and cops run forward in the middle of your route, declare, tell you to pull over.


Because carjackers are unable to yell "Stop! Police!"
2013-02-07 10:00:48 PM
1 votes:

Delawheredad: If he were a white tea-bagger you Farkers would ALL be  itching to put the final bullet into the guy, This thread is really sickening.


If my aunt had balls, you'd all be trying to suck her cock.
2013-02-07 10:00:10 PM
1 votes:
Most folks don;t quite understand that it is almost impossible to be a good cop in a city like LA or most major American cities due to it's environment. If you are a 'good' person joining the force you will either quit or you would become a 'bad' cop immediately or eventually become a bad cop. The latter 'bad' as in evil bad and former as in ineffective and useless on the job bad. Either way it is a negative for the job desriciption.

Think about it... would you rather prefer a bunch of A-type douchebags Vic Mackey typesgoing after MS-13, aryan brotherhood or even street thugs or nice folks like Sheriff Andy Taylor and Ponchorella and Baker types?

Who do you think will be effective at their jobs?
2013-02-07 09:58:52 PM
1 votes:
2013-02-07 09:57:16 PM
1 votes:
Dave Brubeck was pretty great, though.

But gushing praise for Michelle Obama's bangs? That's pure, unadulterated crazy, right there.
2013-02-07 09:54:51 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: Greywar: Are most cops good. Yup.

Then why don't they arrest the bad ones??


www.people.quotejunkie.com
2013-02-07 09:53:09 PM
1 votes:
For those of you rooting for this guy, keep in mind who his first two kills were. A young woman who was the daughter of the cop who defended him at the misconduct hearings, and her fiance. What crime did either of them commit?

Mind you, I believe the guy. I believe that he probably was booted for reporting a superior officer's abuse... but when four of his victims had nothing to do with what happened to him.. man, he lost all credibility and he just became another killer. The first two were totally innocent, and he killed one cop and wounded another who were simply targets of opportunity.
2013-02-07 09:43:59 PM
1 votes:

StopLurkListen: LesserEvil: LesserEvil: "black Scion Pickup":

Sorry... dunno where I picked that up from.

At any rate, here is his truck:

[i.imgur.com image 491x283]

Black Honda Titan, looking nothing like the vehicles the LAPD attacked. I think Dorners set it on fire and abandoned it.

It's a Nissan Titan, or is that the joke?

...anyway, for the sake of argument, human color sense is extremely poor in low light. Dark blue, blue, gray, black can all look alike in low light conditions.

Stay safe LAPD. And if you're not wanted in LA, I'd happily raise my taxes to pay for you to come up and be my police officers.


unless you live in new orleans, you should reconsider your offer.
2013-02-07 09:43:55 PM
1 votes:

Mrbogey: Etchy333: Well, at least he's competent to stand trial. High IQ, even.

When you find yourself saying that a deranged murderer is sane and sensible it makes you look worse, not the murderer look better.


That statement of mine is saying that I would like him to stand trial and be held to account for his actions. In fact, writing him off as simply "deranged" and incapable of understanding consequences of his actions, as you are doing, could be interpreted as a defense for his actions.
2013-02-07 09:43:49 PM
1 votes:

thisisarepeat: The cops evidently consider my kids fair game.


1.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  You should have learned this somewhere around age 7.

2.  Nobody outside your immediate family gives a fark who you or your kids are (and maybe not even them) , let's not pretend otherwise.   If you want to puff yourself up, go to a farking strip club.  Either way, leave me out of it, you needily self-important goddamn loser.
2013-02-07 09:43:33 PM
1 votes:

StrangeQ: So fark is all about hating on cops and the constant injustice they ditch out, but when someone finally stands up to them in the only avenue we really have left since they hold all the power, fark calls him a crazy nutjob?  Makes perfect sense.

/hey man
//nice shot
///go kill some more pigs


Simple logic is so farking rare.  Congrats
2013-02-07 09:42:29 PM
1 votes:

StrangeQ: So fark is all about hating on cops and the constant injustice they ditch out, but when someone finally stands up to them in the only avenue we really have left since they hold all the power, fark calls him a crazy nutjob?  Makes perfect sense.

/hey man
//nice shot
///go kill some more pigs


you forgot this:

25.media.tumblr.com
2013-02-07 09:39:58 PM
1 votes:

GRCooper: Do. Not. Know. Whether. To. Click. "Funny". Or. "Smart".

Brain hurts now.


www.cyclonefanatic.com
2013-02-07 09:39:02 PM
1 votes:
Cross posted to the other thread:
http://www.lvrj.com/news/search-for-ex-cop-stretches-to-las-vegas-19 0 2 30101.html

NHP put a BOLO for a 2005 White Lexus NV plate 534SUV  (or maybe 543, forget)
2013-02-07 09:37:39 PM
1 votes:

Hector Remarkable: Your manifesto sucks.


The real travesty here is that it took this long for someone to say this.
2013-02-07 09:37:06 PM
1 votes:
The LAPD is retaliating by shooting at random pickup trucks. That'll show him!
2013-02-07 09:36:58 PM
1 votes:
Any one rooting for a side in this is a farking idiot. This is sad.
His tone kind of reminds me of the scene in Falling Down where the guy is protesting in front of the bank and he looks at the main character and says "remember me'.
I read his words and I will remember him
2013-02-07 09:32:33 PM
1 votes:
just hope the LAPD doesn't shoot the actual LL cool J by mistake.
2013-02-07 09:30:39 PM
1 votes:
fark the main page jesus christ
2013-02-07 09:25:04 PM
1 votes:
When a person says a crazy thing we can dismiss all the rational things they say -correct?
2013-02-07 09:24:04 PM
1 votes:

TomD9938: Everything else bieng equal, would this guy be such a FARK-Hero if he were white?


If he were white then he'd be identified as a probable "teabagger" (or whatever the right- wing bogeyman of the moment happens to be -- "NRA member" and "survivalist" seem to fit the bill at the moment), so he'd get very little sympathy from Farkers unless he were explicitly committed to violence in a radical left- wing cause. The important thing to remember is that it is acceptable to be anti- police but not to be anti- government, even though the police are agents of the government. I believe the literary term for this is "doublethink".
2013-02-07 09:21:43 PM
1 votes:

Tom-Servo: //but seriously, why the fark do you have to ride in the middle of the farking road even when there is a goddam bike lane!!!


A bit of a derail, but here we go. It's because bike lanes are crap. Full of rocks, gravel, and broken glass, usually too narrow, sometimes full of parked cars, frequently slanted for draining purposes, and often there's a big concrete edge right in the middle of the damn thing, just waiting to make you crash.

Also, if there's a bike lane with parked cars to the right of it, it's unsafe. You risk getting doored.

If none of those things are true I will ride in a bike lane, and so will most people. But they're pretty common.
2013-02-07 09:16:38 PM
1 votes:
If he holes up, we might see the first drone strike of a US citizen on US soil. A little sooner than I expected.
2013-02-07 09:16:10 PM
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: Having skimmed the "manifesto" here are my impressions:

1.  He feels he was wrongly forced out of the LAPD for being a whistle blower.
2.  He lists numerous instances of misconduct that if true should result in a lot of firings.  He gives details that can be verified by the media.
3.  He is for gun control.
4.  He hates Zimmerman.
5.  He thinks that Charlie Sheen "rocks"

Ah, the clarity of the insane.


See, you are getting a glimpse into the mind of a liberal.
2013-02-07 09:15:58 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: rwfan: Amos Quito: rwfan: Amos Quito: lack of warmth: RaiderFanMikeP: LL Cool J will play him in the movie

I almost wonder if he thinks he is LL Cool J playing himself in the movie about him.  Stated in another way, he watched waaay too many movies.   If any of the corruption he stated is true, this is not how to handle it.

What would you have suggested?

Not murdering innocent people?  Or are you good with that?


Yep. I'm totally on board with that, chum.

So you believe that the LA Cops are now totally justified for shooting at random pick-ups? Right?

/Tit for tat

Yo dumbass show me where I said that.


You implied that I was "good with" his murdering innocent people.

Are you not familiar with the phrase "tit for tat", asshat?


Yes shiathead I am familiar with the phrase.  I just think you are a real piece of shiat for being on board with the murdering of innocent people just because the LA cops shot at a random pick-up.  You are an appalling human being.
2013-02-07 09:10:27 PM
1 votes:
Having skimmed the "manifesto" here are my impressions:

1.  He feels he was wrongly forced out of the LAPD for being a whistle blower.
2.  He lists numerous instances of misconduct that if true should result in a lot of firings.  He gives details that can be verified by the media.
3.  He is for gun control.
4.  He hates Zimmerman.
5.  He thinks that Charlie Sheen "rocks"

Ah, the clarity of the insane.
2013-02-07 09:05:39 PM
1 votes:

BSABSVR: IamAwake: Bontesla: Not at all. Dorner knows he's going to destroy families once he exposes the corruption. In his manifesto - he urges his enemies to come clean with their families. He seems to be indicating that he doesn't intend on killing them.

err...except he said this:

"I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I'm terminating yours.  Quan, Anderson, Evans, and BOR members Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead."

Seems a little, um, like he was planning on killing their kids.

Seriously. When you farkbags root for him, you accept that cops kids are fair game.

That is despicable bullshiat, Bontesla.


BSABSVR: IamAwake: Bontesla: Not at all. Dorner knows he's going to destroy families once he exposes the corruption. In his manifesto - he urges his enemies to come clean with their families. He seems to be indicating that he doesn't intend on killing them.

err...except he said this:

"I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I'm terminating yours.  Quan, Anderson, Evans, and BOR members Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead."

Seems a little, um, like he was planning on killing their kids.

Seriously. When you farkbags root for him, you accept that cops kids are fair game.

That is despicable bullshiat, Bontesla.


The cops evidently consider my kids fair game.  I think the only reason they haven't gone violent is the same reason I haven't.  Not going to get away with it.  It's not because we don't wish each other to die in the worst possible way.
2013-02-07 09:04:40 PM
1 votes:

Begoggle: So you're saying Fark attracts cop-hating insanity people who want the cops held to a high standard and accountable for their actions?
Yeah, we agree.
Finally we are on the same page.


FTFY yet again.
I'm gonna have to start charging you for all the free editing.
2013-02-07 09:04:22 PM
1 votes:

ISO15693: Dorner says the killings will stop if the LAPD admits railroading him.

"Beck, the Los Angeles police chief, said Thursday that Dorner's case had been "thoroughly reviewed" and said the department would not apologize to Dorner or clear his name, even if it meant that the lives of many would be saved."


Proving that he is unfit for command and needs to be removed from his position of authority.
2013-02-07 09:04:22 PM
1 votes:
he kills people.
2013-02-07 09:03:06 PM
1 votes:
BSABSVR:

People (armed) without uniforms running from the shadows at you in the wee hours! Who wouldn't stop and have a chat?

It's not that you disagree, it's that you're a dishonest shiat. It's sad but not shocking you can't tell the difference.


It's not even like it was Dorner they were firing on and they got a little too giddy about it. They obviously didn't even verify a target before shooting.
2013-02-07 09:03:03 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-02-07 09:00:05 PM
1 votes:

StopLurkListen: LesserEvil: LesserEvil: "black Scion Pickup":

Sorry... dunno where I picked that up from.

At any rate, here is his truck:

[i.imgur.com image 491x283]

Black Honda Titan, looking nothing like the vehicles the LAPD attacked. I think Dorners set it on fire and abandoned it.

It's a Nissan Titan, or is that the joke?

...anyway, for the sake of argument, human color sense is extremely poor in low light. Dark blue, blue, gray, black can all look alike in low light conditions.

Stay safe LAPD. And if you're not wanted in LA, I'd happily raise my taxes to pay for you to come up and be my police officers.


I corrected myself in a post a couple down.

At any rate, they were delivering papers. Cop cars are supposed to have spotlights, but if it's an undercover car, and you can't properly identify the vehicle because of the poor light, don't ram it and riddle the vehicle and it's occupants with bullets on a whim. As I said before, the LAPD and every police organization in the US have PROCEDURES for dealing with a suspect vehicle. They clearly weren't followed here... and we have no idea if the people shot at by the police are alive or dead. Great police work, there, Lou.

Essentially, you'd welcome police officers that will open fire on any vehicle they cannot properly identify and attempt to kill the occupants on the off chance it might have somebody dangerous in it. Great.

I sure don't want these cops in my town. Our police do just fine, thank you (I know several of them, none of them have ever opened fire on random vehicles).
2013-02-07 08:58:55 PM
1 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: BSABSVR:

Now that I'm slightly calmer, let me readdress your idiocy, then I will wish bladder cancer on you again.

People who deliver newspapers wake up at shiatty hours of the day. They often drive slowly through neighborhoods throwing parcels at houses.

Should someone with a gun run at them in the dark, they are unlikely to stop and talk it out.

Once shot, people often do not exhibit perfectly rational behavior. Or complete muscle control.

Now farking kill yourself.

Multiple plainclothes individuals and cops run forward in the middle of your route, declare, tell you to pull over.

But yes, tell someone who disagrees with your brilliant opinions on the Internet to die of a terrible disease.


People (armed) without uniforms running from the shadows at you in the wee hours! Who wouldn't stop and have a chat?

It's not that you disagree, it's that you're a dishonest shiat. It's sad but not shocking you can't tell the difference.
2013-02-07 08:58:15 PM
1 votes:
ontariolightning:

KKK - Founded and run by democrats
-Multiple murders, bombings, rapes etc...
*don't even try to claim they were conservatives or republicans.


"National Socialist Workers Party." (Note the word "socialist.)
- 6 million Jews


appmakr-clientimages.s3.amazonaws.com

If the words match, the shoe fits right?
2013-02-07 08:58:04 PM
1 votes:

Omahawg: OnlyM3: ontariolightning

KKK - Founded and run by democrats
-Multiple murders, bombings, rapes etc...
*don't even try to claim they were conservatives or republicans.


yes, the white sheets were the libbiest libs who ever libed. disgusting to watch those anonymous bleeding hearts hiding behind their white sheets while out in FORCE supporting equality and justice for all. truly, a travesty. also note their atheistic angle of burning crosses which no jebus lover would ever condone

0/10


Things have changed since back then. The Democrats are now Republicans and the Republicans are now crazy people.
2013-02-07 08:57:57 PM
1 votes:

Etchy333: Well, at least he's competent to stand trial. High IQ, even.


When you find yourself saying that a deranged murderer is sane and sensible it makes you look worse, not the murderer look better.
2013-02-07 08:54:59 PM
1 votes:
HERO.


Lego_Addict
This guy has mental issues and I hope he's held responsible for his recent actions.

I don't know- I mean, California is already having so many economic problems, and now you want them to throw him a parade?


BarkingUnicorn
"If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for the law: it invites every man to become a law unto himself, it invites anarchy." SCOTUS Justice Louis D,. Brandeis.

You don't even need to RSVP!
2013-02-07 08:52:58 PM
1 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: BSABSVR:

So yeah.  Not the smartest way to operate when you are delivering papers in the middle of the night.

Also known as exactly how people deliver newspapers.

Really?  Lots of paperboys who decide, when they are flagged down, to attempt to full speed out of the area?

The shots are all to the rear of the vehicle and the scene extends over quite a wide area.  Looks like the cops firing had to continue firing for quite awhile before the truck rolled to a stop.  You would assume the first spotting/flagging down would stop you.  Or the second, or the first shots.

But these people decided to get out toot sweet.  Not normal delivery boy behavior.


Now that I'm slightly calmer, let me readdress your idiocy, then I will wish bladder cancer on you again.

People who deliver newspapers wake up at shiatty hours of the day. They often drive slowly through neighborhoods throwing parcels at houses.

Should someone with a gun run at them in the dark, they are unlikely to stop and talk it out.

Once shot, people often do not exhibit perfectly rational behavior. Or complete muscle control.

Now farking kill yourself.
2013-02-07 08:49:25 PM
1 votes:

Zoth: Molavian: Begoggle: Zoth: Strange to find myself rooting for a cop. Hmm.... ex-cop, that is.

You are sick.

Right?  The guy is clearly a gun-grabber.

Well, I'll admit that Dorners sort of lost points for that.

But as far wreaking bloody unholy vengeance on the LAPD, he's got my full moral support.

They've Farked with a lot of people and finally they Farked with the wrong one.

A well deserved comeuppance.

The police have already shot 2 innocent people (and tried to shoot a 3rd but were apparently too incompetent actually hit the person).

I think they're doing a pretty good job of justifying this guy's grudge against them.


So what would have been wrong with, in this scenario, going to the nearest newspaper with all available evidence and giving some enterprising reporter a great story? Public humiliation, or ANY OTHER OPTION, is better than going and killing people.

/I damn well hope this guy's allegations are investigated, but this was not an appropriate response.
2013-02-07 08:46:38 PM
1 votes:
Begoggle you have some cop jizz on your face.

No, the other side.

You got it.
2013-02-07 08:46:33 PM
1 votes:

OnlyM3: ontariolightning

KKK - Founded and run by democrats
-Multiple murders, bombings, rapes etc...
*don't even try to claim they were conservatives or republicans.



yes, the white sheets were the libbiest libs who ever libed. disgusting to watch those anonymous bleeding hearts hiding behind their white sheets while out in FORCE supporting equality and justice for all. truly, a travesty. also note their atheistic angle of burning crosses which no jebus lover would ever condone

0/10
2013-02-07 08:45:48 PM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: True or not, police investigators should look into it.


Absolutely. Just as soon as they scrape this dick off the pavement.
2013-02-07 08:45:27 PM
1 votes:

Bontesla: Not at all. Dorner knows he's going to destroy families once he exposes the corruption. In his manifesto - he urges his enemies to come clean with their families. He seems to be indicating that he doesn't intend on killing them.


err...except he said this:

"I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I'm terminating yours.  Quan, Anderson, Evans, and BOR members Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead."

Seems a little, um, like he was planning on killing their kids.
2013-02-07 08:38:44 PM
1 votes:

Bontesla: Not at all. Dorner knows he's going to destroy families once he exposes the corruption. In his manifesto - he urges his enemies to come clean with their families. He seems to be indicating that he doesn't intend on killing them.


That isn't what I got from the excerpts I've seen so far.

Also, if that had happened, I'm pretty sure he would have specifically mentioned it. I can't imagine him not, actually, since he goes into so much detail about the rest of the corruption he saw. That would be one of the worst things, and one of the ones with the most evidence to verify it.
2013-02-07 08:37:26 PM
1 votes:
ontariolightning

OnlyM3: Another violent leftist. His hero was Piers Morgan and other CNN liberals. No wonder.
No worries. You still have Ted Nugent.

"Conservative" Body Count:
Ted Nugent - 0


Liberal Body Count:
Ted Kaczynski [liberal eco wacko]
- 3 murders / 23+ injured

Andrew Joseph Stack III [anti bush/business]
- 1 murder / 13 injured

Lee Harvey Oswald [Communist]
- 2 murders / 1 injured

Floyd Lee Corkins
- Attempted mass murder (Family Research Center)

John Patrick Bedell [registered democrat]
- Attempted mass murder (Pentagon shooter)

James Von Brunn [anti-Christian, 9/11 'truther' who hated the Bushes and 'the neo-cons']
- Attempted mass murder (Holocaust museum shooter)

Bill Ayers [obama mentor / Weather Underground]
- Multiple terrorist attacks and murder of police officers

Carol Anne Burger [ huff-po writer]
Her last article stated "" Yes, those Christians and Palin fans -- they're the ones you have to watch out for"
- stabbed her roommate 222 times with a screwdriver before she killed herself.

John Allen Muhammad & Lee Boyd Malvo [ Nation of Islam liberals ]
- At least 10 murders
*blamed on white "conservative" man. The Police even refused to investigate j.a.m. even after his license plate was run at SEVERAL murder scenes. (Nice work chief moose)

"Occupy" riots
-Multiple shootings, murders, rapes.

KKK - Founded and run by democrats
-Multiple murders, bombings, rapes etc...
*don't even try to claim they were conservatives or republicans.


Amy Bishop [ Fanatical Obama supporter ]
- 3 murders / 3 wounded (mass shooting

Brandon Darby, David McKay and Bradley Crowder
- Arrested for manufacturing bombs for use at RNC 2008

"National Socialist Workers Party." (Note the word "socialist.)
- 6 million Jews
2013-02-07 08:36:38 PM
1 votes:

basemetal: So, what percentage of people are rooting for the ex-cop?


Zero; only animals do that.
2013-02-07 08:35:50 PM
1 votes:

KidneyStone: I'm confused.  Is this a gun thread or not?


When guns are outlawed, will the LAPD still have guns?
2013-02-07 08:34:39 PM
1 votes:

ISO15693: I was totally on this guy's side until

"Charlie Sheen, you're effin awesome."

Now I am conflicted.

Seriously, though - while I do not wish death on anyone, He is specifically targeting epic a-holes in the LAPD, an organization with a fairly clear history of epic corruption - corruption that has resulted in innumerable deaths.

I may find it hard to hope for his capture. I sort-of hope he remains uncaptured for a few months, as long as he doesnt kill any non LAPD.


Like the woman he already killed?
2013-02-07 08:30:27 PM
1 votes:

HighlanderRPI: It was an interesting read until it turned into a really farked up Oscar's acceptance speech. Be interesting to see if any journalists actually try to validate his claims - doubtful because there are no real investigative journalists anymore.

I actually found the stuff about LAPD corruption highly believable, but he obviously went off the deep end along the line. But go ahead, keep on blaming the guns - not the mental health issues in this country and the stigmatization of those who seek mental health assistance.

Oh, and the only proof you need that he is nuts - "The honorable President George H.W. Bush, they never give you enough credit for your successful Presidency."


In my manifesto I'm calling out Millard Fillmore.
2013-02-07 08:29:10 PM
1 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: Bontesla:

Seems legit.

The car had it coming... or "going" as it were.

The vehicle was in the area of a protection detail dealing with a target who suggested using guerrilla tactics.  They were driving in the dark, passed up several homes in view of the detail, then pitched a parcel at the home of the protected.  They refused to ID, were running without lights, and proceeded to speed up as plainclothes came towards the car with guns and badges.

So yeah.  Not the smartest way to operate when you are delivering papers in the middle of the night.


Also known as exactly how people deliver newspapers.
2013-02-07 08:27:55 PM
1 votes:
It was an interesting read until it turned into a really farked up Oscar's acceptance speech. Be interesting to see if any journalists actually try to validate his claims - doubtful because there are no real investigative journalists anymore.

I actually found the stuff about LAPD corruption highly believable, but he obviously went off the deep end along the line. But go ahead, keep on blaming the guns - not the mental health issues in this country and the stigmatization of those who seek mental health assistance.

Oh, and the only proof you need that he is nuts - "The honorable President George H.W. Bush, they never give you enough credit for your successful Presidency."
2013-02-07 08:27:10 PM
1 votes:

Bontesla: The only thing that really matched was the type of vehicle (ie. truck).
And if we allow them to shoot at all vehicles that drive "suspiciously" while being a truck - we're going to end up with a lot more victims. We should have higher expectations for the people we hire to protect our society.



Also, I would NOT want to be a large bald black gentleman in the vicinity of Los Angeles right now.
2013-02-07 08:27:00 PM
1 votes:
It just doesn't get any better than this.  Even when he is finally shot on sight (probably while attempting to surrender) its just another dead pig.
2013-02-07 08:26:02 PM
1 votes:

KiwDaWabbit: I'm surprised that this type of thing doesn't happen more often.

It's not that I want it to. I don't. The sad thing is it will because we tacitly approve of this kind of behavior in the U.S.


"Tacitly?"  Y'know how I know you haven't read this thread? :-)
2013-02-07 08:25:23 PM
1 votes:

Br34ch: Begoggle, maybe just go to sleep? You are going to be really agitated otherwise.

Therefore, drink milk, pee, proceed to sleep. I will say hi to you when you wake up tomorrow. Promise.


I also agree that he should drink pee.
2013-02-07 08:23:46 PM
1 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: Amos Quito:
Christopher Dorner's Anderson Cooper Package: Los Angeles Shooting Suspect Mailed Parcel To CNN Host (VIDEO)

I do NOT condone what Dorner has done, but a few days ago CNN would have ignored this "parcel".

They won't now.

Yes.  CNN would have ignored a treatise on systematic corruption in the LAPD including names, dates, and times of felonies.  They would have never investigated such a package at all.

This disconnect required to believe this is staggering.


Wait until Amos tells you who he blames....
2013-02-07 08:23:32 PM
1 votes:
Damn.


Get some.
2013-02-07 08:22:52 PM
1 votes:
Unfortunately this sort of rampage is going to become more and more common until we address the chronic shortage of guns in Obama's America.
2013-02-07 08:20:44 PM
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: Bontesla: Mitrovarr: I'd like to see other agencies get involved because I think it'd be best if he's taken alive, which the LAPD won't do. While his crimes are pretty bad regardless of the LAPD's behavior (murdering someone's family is indefensible), it would be nice to see someone actually investigate the LAPD as well. He might have all kinds of additional evidence, and I think he'd be willing to divulge it without being offered any kind of deal.

Best ending here would involve a trial for him but also a trial for those members of the LAPD he mentions, if there's any substance to the accusations at all.

I've yet to see any damning evidence that he's killed the daughter/fiance.

don't worry, the LAPD will "find" some to justify his assassination.


Indeed. The dude is crazy and I hope he's stopped ASAP, but I also would love for him to be brought in alive. Both to pay for his crimes, and (if the corruption alleges is accurate) to aid with an investigation into the LAPD.

If he's still in LA though, I doubt that'll happen. Seems like the cops are in a "shoot first" mode right now, and it's hard to blame them given their own are being attacked, so he's pretty doomed unless he turns himself in (and maybe even then, depending how trigger happy they are).

Either way, hoping no more innocents get hurt. That's the priority.
2013-02-07 08:19:25 PM
1 votes:
I'm surprised that this type of thing doesn't happen more often.

It's not that I want it to. I don't. The sad thing is it will because we tacitly approve of this kind of behavior in the U.S.
2013-02-07 08:15:35 PM
1 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: Amos Quito:

LOL!

You think outfits like CNN don't get boatloads of bullshiat from "nutbars" every farking day?

What makes you think they'd pay some disgruntled fired cop any mind?

Logic.  If he didn't fill the package with the nonsensical manifesto and put in 'just the facts'?  He would have been easily vetted within 30 minutes and two phone calls.  Random Nut doesn't have so much information, and isn't a former LAPD beat walker.

Again, disconnect.



Bullshiat.

1. LAPD corrupt? LOL! So what else is new?
2. Former FIRED cop whines about corruption and doesn't get a "fair hearing"?  Not news.

CNN calls LAPD: "Oh yeah, he was a nutcase - a liar, misogynist, a racist and a bully. We had to fire him."
CNN: Sorry to trouble you, but we were just following up. Thanks for your time, officer

Not news.
2013-02-07 08:12:52 PM
1 votes:

Snotnose: NewportBarGuy: I'm not reading all that sh*t.

It's actually somewhat interesting.  When I clicked I thought I'd just skim it to judge the kook level, but I ended up reading prolly 2/3 of it.

/ guy reminds me of Stevie King
// needs a farking editor


It would have been 100 times better if he'd had an editor. But who the hell would edit this without calling the cops on his ass? Incidentally, I got a green light!
2013-02-07 08:12:18 PM
1 votes:

Agarista: I cannot condone murder.  Murder for revenge over a career lost is disgusting.
Some tiny tiny part of me keeps trying to root for this guy, though.

Like I said two threads down, Dorner must have though, "If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em" ...at least in terms of tactics.

I cannot defend his actions, nor the actions of the police who shot at random trucks.
The best end is to have him stand trial before all he has harmed and accused, so they may testify as well. It does seem like the police are not willing to let that happen, and are willing to sacrifice more unrelated parties to prevent it from happening.  Let's hope my presumption turns out to be incorrect.


Dorne's gonna die in a hail of bullets.  He's gonna die because he wants to die, and the cops are happy to oblige him.

The cops didn't shoot at a "random" vehicle.  They shot at a vehicle that matched a description of the suspect's, approaching them slowly with headlights off at 5:00 a.m., after something was thrown out of its window.  They aren't "willing to sacrifice more unrelated parties."  They're scared shiatless and trigger-happy.  I would be the same in their position.
2013-02-07 08:11:39 PM
1 votes:

InitialCommentGuy: Bontesla: Solution? Shoot the car! Attack the car!

Yes. That's the solution.

You are currently being hunted by someone who knows squad tactics, urban warfare, guerrilla and gangland attack methods.  A vehicle without lights rounds the corner, kills the lights, matches the description at a distance of your stalker, slow rolls your house...

That's Drive By 101, followed by short stop, fire, and get out ASAP.  The target stops, pitches out an unidentified package, then refuses to stop when approached by officers and attempts to flee.

That's completely normal behavior.  Yep, nothing suspicious there, and hell we should just continue our approach with guns in holsters with absolutely no offensive threat.

They refused identification and attempted to leave.  Was it the best response? No.  Was it a viable response? Yeah, sorry, it was.


It's a viable response to pump any vehicle full of rounds because . . . the guy they're hunting is dangerous?

*lol*

No.
2013-02-07 08:11:22 PM
1 votes:

Bontesla: Mitrovarr: I'd like to see other agencies get involved because I think it'd be best if he's taken alive, which the LAPD won't do. While his crimes are pretty bad regardless of the LAPD's behavior (murdering someone's family is indefensible), it would be nice to see someone actually investigate the LAPD as well. He might have all kinds of additional evidence, and I think he'd be willing to divulge it without being offered any kind of deal.

Best ending here would involve a trial for him but also a trial for those members of the LAPD he mentions, if there's any substance to the accusations at all.

I've yet to see any damning evidence that he's killed the daughter/fiance.


don't worry, the LAPD will "find" some to justify his assassination.
2013-02-07 08:11:19 PM
1 votes:

The One True TheDavid: I'm about halfway through his "manifesto." Assuming most of it is mostly accurate the guy is too respectable to be an L.A. cop.


The firs half is OK but the second half is pure crazy.

Don't get too specific about it or fark will pull your post like they just did mine. Lamers...
2013-02-07 08:10:00 PM
1 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: But his behavior is going to make the problem, assuming it exists, much harder to solve. No politician is going to want to talk about investigating the LAPD now that <b>the public's sympathy is on their side</b>.


That seems like a pretty big assumption.
2013-02-07 08:09:18 PM
1 votes:

Bontesla: Solution? Shoot the car! Attack the car!

Yes. That's the solution.


You are currently being hunted by someone who knows squad tactics, urban warfare, guerrilla and gangland attack methods.  A vehicle without lights rounds the corner, kills the lights, matches the description at a distance of your stalker, slow rolls your house...

That's Drive By 101, followed by short stop, fire, and get out ASAP.  The target stops, pitches out an unidentified package, then refuses to stop when approached by officers and attempts to flee.

That's completely normal behavior.  Yep, nothing suspicious there, and hell we should just continue our approach with guns in holsters with absolutely no offensive threat.

They refused identification and attempted to leave.  Was it the best response? No.  Was it a viable response? Yeah, sorry, it was.
2013-02-07 08:07:37 PM
1 votes:

Kumana Wanalaia: Did his manifesto seem venomous and rage-filled to you?


Yeah somewhat.
2013-02-07 08:04:37 PM
1 votes:
Judging by the amount of trolls in here trying to ascribe his beliefs to all liberals, this guy must be on to something.
2013-02-07 08:03:31 PM
1 votes:
Probably not, since he likely condones murder in the name of vengeance, being a cop and all.  That's your logic anyway.

I suspect he feels differently about it when it's his loved ones getting targeted. (Unless the cop is the one doing the targeting of his own loved ones. They've got quite the problem with domestic violence, it seems.)

They always do.

Cops are awesome at justifying their own crimes while they nitpick at others.
2013-02-07 07:59:42 PM
1 votes:

StoPPeRmobile: Why does any sportsman need a 30 round magazine for hunting? Why does anyone need a suppressor?


Those 2 items are illegal in California, so you see the ban worked.
2013-02-07 07:58:35 PM
1 votes:
I was really hoping for some 'usual suspects new york city's finest taxi service' type of whistle blowing. I hope he has more to say, if he makes to any kind of holding cell.
2013-02-07 07:58:16 PM
1 votes:
too bad. i would have enjoyed a beer or four with the guy, I think

sad he snapped when he felt like he had nowhere else to go but crazytown
2013-02-07 07:56:37 PM
1 votes:

accelerus: i read bits and pieces --


this is just some big black guy who thinks the world is out to get him. He got pissed his whinging and biatching didn't get taken seriously and is using it as an excuse to murder innocent people.

He thinks the world owes him something for being black.



He's your reason for a ban. All wrapped up, nice and neat.

"If you had a well regulated AWB, this would not happen. The time is now to reinstitute a ban that will save lives. Why does any sportsman need a 30 round magazine for hunting? Why does anyone need a suppressor? Why does anyone need a AR15 rifle? This is the same small arms weapons system utilized in eradicating Al Qaeda, Taliban, and every enemy combatant since the Vietnam war. "
2013-02-07 07:56:02 PM
1 votes:
well, that was a full bucket of crazy.

if you find yourself
a) in the manifesto portion of your life, and
b) that manifesto involves Tebow, Chris Rock, and Kelly Clarkson

you've really, really, really mismanaged your crazy-freakout time. you only get one of these, for chrissakes.


Larry David, I agree. 72-82 degrees is way to hot in a residence. 68 , degrees is perfect.

what in the actual factual fark.

i get the reference, i'm just baffled that it's showing up in somebody's 'Ok, i'ma killa buncha people now' missive.

i can understand the Take-5 thing, tho.
2013-02-07 07:55:20 PM
1 votes:
Strange part is since he's gave a shout-out to John & Ken from KFI-AM in there they've actually been somewhat sympathetic, delving into his original complaints against the LAPD & how that termination on the abuse report boned his Security Clearance with the Navy & snowballed...
2013-02-07 07:54:46 PM
1 votes:

TomD9938: Everything else bieng equal, would this guy be such a FARK-Hero if he were white?


What?!

He isn't white?!

*swoons* *wets pants* *grabs guns*
2013-02-07 07:52:38 PM
1 votes:
This guy has a short fuse... maybe that's why he became a cop?

Thinking you should shoot someone for calling you names? Seriously? Punching a kid out who called you names in elementary school? Did I miss the part where he followed proper channels to tell a teacher about it? No? Oh, I'm sorry, your moral compass must be off. By all means, beating up kids at the first sign of being dicks is a totally morally correct response.

 I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the LAPD complaints are true. And I understand the anger and frustration behind it. But threatening to kill people's kids over it is stupid. They're kids, they're not responsible for any of this. But that's okay cuz his moral compass is pointed true north. (Or some-such dumbassery.)

 And I stopped reading at the political rant. This guy can't even stay on topic in his "manifesto", so guess it's pretty safe to call him "nuts" and move on.

/whatever complaints he has about the LAPD is lost under the douchebaggery he filled his manifesto with.
2013-02-07 07:52:33 PM
1 votes:

bogey: Not to many Farkers.
There's a reason they greenlit 3 articles about it already.
Drew & his fellows have been anti- bad cop for years now.

FTFY


Really, who is pro- bad cop except cops?
2013-02-07 07:49:18 PM
1 votes:
Dorner's call for a reset might come in handy. Or "ignore" as we call it here
2013-02-07 07:44:18 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: jigger: Amos Quito: lack of warmth: RaiderFanMikeP: LL Cool J will play him in the movie

I almost wonder if he thinks he is LL Cool J playing himself in the movie about him.  Stated in another way, he watched waaay too many movies.   If any of the corruption he stated is true, this is not how to handle it.

What would you have suggested?

He could have written a tell-all book, gone to the media, made numerous youtube videos, started a blog and a podcast, and gotten the word out. It might have started changes, maybe. This won't.

Christopher Dorner's Anderson Cooper Package: Los Angeles Shooting Suspect Mailed Parcel To CNN Host (VIDEO)

I do NOT condone what Dorner has done, but a few days ago CNN would have ignored this "parcel".

They won't now.


TFA that you linked says they handed the parcel over to LAPD.
2013-02-07 07:42:24 PM
1 votes:
How is the MSM handling this on tv (I cut the cable this summer)

Online they seem to be being pretty fair, linking to the manifesto and not taking anything out of context.. Are they being the same on TV?
2013-02-07 07:40:52 PM
1 votes:
that's a lot of reading but worth it. I love this man. if America was the great country the propaganda pushers pretend it is this affair would lead to our President having the entire PD in question under deep investigation. this would be the start of a new and better day.

when all is said and done it's going to be what Stevie Wonder sang all over again.

We are amazed but not amused
By all the things you say that you'll do
Though much concerned but not involved
With decisions that are made by you
But we are sick and tired of hearing your song
Telling how you are gonna change right from wrong
'Cause if you really want to hear our views
"You haven't done nothing"!


-- you know the rest. you've heard it for far too long.
2013-02-07 07:40:33 PM
1 votes:
Amos Quito:
Christopher Dorner's Anderson Cooper Package: Los Angeles Shooting Suspect Mailed Parcel To CNN Host (VIDEO)

I do NOT condone what Dorner has done, but a few days ago CNN would have ignored this "parcel".

They won't now.


Yes.  CNN would have ignored a treatise on systematic corruption in the LAPD including names, dates, and times of felonies.  They would have never investigated such a package at all.

This disconnect required to believe this is staggering.
2013-02-07 07:38:42 PM
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Amos Quito: jigger: Amos Quito: lack of warmth: RaiderFanMikeP: LL Cool J will play him in the movie

I almost wonder if he thinks he is LL Cool J playing himself in the movie about him.  Stated in another way, he watched waaay too many movies.   If any of the corruption he stated is true, this is not how to handle it.

What would you have suggested?

He could have written a tell-all book, gone to the media, made numerous youtube videos, started a blog and a podcast, and gotten the word out. It might have started changes, maybe. This won't.

Christopher Dorner's Anderson Cooper Package: Los Angeles Shooting Suspect Mailed Parcel To CNN Host (VIDEO)

I do NOT condone what Dorner has done, but a few days ago CNN would have ignored this "parcel".

They won't now.


Maybe. But the book had to come first. Or at least the podcasts. But now his message is going out in an entirely different context and it won't garner him much sympathy from the majority of regular dumbass Americans.
2013-02-07 07:38:20 PM
1 votes:

noheadphones: Zoth: Strange to find myself rooting for a cop. Hmm.... ex-cop, that is.

Yeah it was awesome when he killed those 2 innocent non-cops.


You liked that part too?

I bet the cop father of the woman he killed has some regrets right about now, wouldn't you say?
2013-02-07 07:36:11 PM
1 votes:

noheadphones: Zoth: Strange to find myself rooting for a cop. Hmm.... ex-cop, that is.

Yeah it was awesome when he killed those 2 innocent non-cops.


allegedly
2013-02-07 07:35:50 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: lack of warmth: RaiderFanMikeP: LL Cool J will play him in the movie

I almost wonder if he thinks he is LL Cool J playing himself in the movie about him.  Stated in another way, he watched waaay too many movies.  If any of the corruption he stated is true, this is not how to handle it.

Yeah. He should have just reported it to his superiors.


"Signed, Rollo Tommasi"
2013-02-07 07:35:12 PM
1 votes:

Begoggle: Langston: Honestly, it's really freaking long and is all over the map. There's a big bit up front about his specific reasons for why he's angry at the LAPD and the officers that (he says) turned on him, but then it rambles all over the place. Politics, friendships, shiat that happened to him in middle school, missing the third installment of the Hangover...

I feel badly that his live was screwed up like this, and I don't know how much of it is other people's fault and how much of it is his fault. I do know that a gun rampage and threats to kill other people and their families has a way of undermining everything he said about his moral compass.

Sadly, the last of the blood hasn't been shed here.

Not to many Farkers.
There's a reason they greenlit 3 articles about it already.
Drew & his fellows have been anti- bad cop for years now.




FTFY
2013-02-07 07:35:00 PM
1 votes:
www.zodiackiller.com
2013-02-07 07:33:42 PM
1 votes:
This reminds me of any of the countless ramblings  I get from inmates. They are all innocent and they have all been set up. It wears thin and makes you suspicious of anyone who says it.
2013-02-07 07:33:27 PM
1 votes:
This is the most rational, reasonable, and temperate essay written by an Obama supporter you'll find anywhere online.

That, and he's killed fewer Americans than Obama has killed with drones and he published HIS rationale without having to have the senate goad him into it.

He loves Obama, hates Christians, and digs gun control. I bet Chris Matthews is having leg tingles right about now.

Prediction: This guy is already being fast tracked for Atty. General in Obama's 3rd term.
2013-02-07 07:32:47 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: flamingboard: Input error: Unable to determine who to root for.


Just root AGAINST all current and former LAPD cops and you'll be fine.


Indeed. fark the police and carry on.
2013-02-07 07:32:22 PM
1 votes:
Corn_Fed:  Go Dorner!

From google:

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Did his manifesto seem venomous and rage-filled to you?
2013-02-07 07:31:55 PM
1 votes:

Watubi: Definitely some fodder for an investigative journalist, too bad there aren't any left


I wish he'd just found an eager young, idealistic journalist, and laid out these complaints for him/her.  Then he might actually have affected some kind of change in the LAPD.  Instead, people are dying needlessly AND his narrative is no longer particularly credible, since almost no one is going to look at this guy as a martyr.  He might have accomplished something as an actual whistle-blower though.
2013-02-07 07:28:11 PM
1 votes:
"(LAPD Chief) Beck attributed a pair of shootings by police officers in Torrance, south of Los Angeles, to mistaken identity. In one of the instances, officers fired on two women who were in a blue pickup delivering newspapers, the Los Angeles Times reported."

Sigh.
2013-02-07 07:26:11 PM
1 votes:

lack of warmth: RaiderFanMikeP: LL Cool J will play him in the movie

I almost wonder if he thinks he is LL Cool J playing himself in the movie about him.  Stated in another way, he watched waaay too many movies.   If any of the corruption he stated is true, this is not how to handle it.


What would you have suggested?
2013-02-07 07:25:03 PM
1 votes:
If he had just stuck to the LAPD grievances, this may be a little bit easier to swallow.
Still, the guy has a point...
2013-02-07 07:24:06 PM
1 votes:

RaiderFanMikeP: LL Cool J will play him in the movie


I almost wonder if he thinks he is LL Cool J playing himself in the movie about him.  Stated in another way, he watched waaay too many movies.  If any of the corruption he stated is true, this is not how to handle it.
2013-02-07 07:20:06 PM
1 votes:
Well that settles everything. Give him his job back along with back pay and a promotion. I mean, damn. He's the good guy and those dead guys were getting in the way of justice.

I can't do it anymore. Shoot this M-effer on site and parade his corpse around L.A.
2013-02-07 07:18:18 PM
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What I should have done, was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in his skull and Officer Magana's skull.

Ha! We need the FARK gun club in here to critique his suggested weapon and post pictures of their own gun collections and personal recommendations.
2013-02-07 07:17:12 PM
1 votes:
I'm not reading all that sh*t.

If he took that much time to write all that, I'm just gonna say he's guilty.
 
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