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2013-02-07 02:43:30 PM

Onkel Buck: But we are still cool with the way Sharia torments women right?


...no?
 
2013-02-07 02:45:07 PM

mrmyxolodian: tallguywithglasseson: Voiceofreason01: Yep, called it: Missouri Synod

Was going to say, either Missouri or Wisconsin.

I thought WELS. I know they have similar rules.
My wife is a recovering member of that church. Sad, sad stuff they indoctrinate them with,


I expected WELS, myself, but someone pointed out that anyone from the WI synod wouldn't have even gone in the first place, and I remembered.  I was dragged to a WELS church until I was 18 and could put my foot down properly.

Now I sleep in on Sundays.  It's awesome.
 
2013-02-07 02:45:17 PM

GoodyearPimp: OminousAnonymous: Anybody want to come to my house for Kahlua coffee and "special" lemon bars?  I am starting a new religion where everyone has to be nice to each other.  That's the only rule.

Are we talking cyanide/Jim Jones "special", or chronic/Snoop Lion "special"?


Lol I would never poison anyone - I promise!
 
2013-02-07 02:45:28 PM

rufus-t-firefly: SKY CAKE!


Amusing, but it's becoming more and more clear that the impetus for civilization was neither cake, nor religion.

It was beer:

http://www.livescience.com/25855-stone-age-beer-brewery-discovered.h tm l

NickBush24: TL;DR: Moron leader of group dedicated to an invisible sky daddy throws a hissy fit because one of the members attended meeting with people who believe in other invisible sky daddies.

/amidoingitright?


More like "meeting with people who believe in the exact same invisible sky daddy, but their fan club has slightly different by-laws".
 
2013-02-07 02:45:57 PM

GoodyearPimp: OminousAnonymous: Anybody want to come to my house for Kahlua coffee and "special" lemon bars?  I am starting a new religion where everyone has to be nice to each other.  That's the only rule.

Are we talking cyanide/Jim Jones "special", or chronic/Snoop Lion "special"?


I've got a really good Jonestown joke, but the punchline it just too damn long.
 
2013-02-07 02:46:13 PM

Onkel Buck: But we are still cool with the way Sharia torments women right?


Being mad about one thing does not mean that everything else is cool.  I can think that this apology was needless and stupid, and still believe that sharia law treats women like crap.  In fact, I can simultaneously find displeasure with A LOT of things about A LOT of religions.
 
2013-02-07 02:46:58 PM

OminousAnonymous: I am starting a new religion where everyone has to be nice to each other. That's the only rule.


We tried that 2000 years. A good chunk of the people who got in on the ground floor were killed for it.
 
2013-02-07 02:47:16 PM
You know, because praying makes such a huge difference, either way.
 
2013-02-07 02:47:41 PM
threadjack: yet another fark redesign no one asked for and which doesn't aid functionality

/not over it, yet
 
2013-02-07 02:48:13 PM

Voiceofreason01: Yep, called it: Missouri Synod


ELCA Lutherans are totally different. I grew up in an ELCA Lutheran church family and we actually pooled our youth group with a temple and a mosque so we could have enough kids to field a hockey team against the Roman Catholics.
 
2013-02-07 02:48:15 PM

Voiceofreason01: Yep, called it: Missouri Synod


That was my guess.

Wife was ELCA before we both went Episcopal.  Can't imagine the pastor at her old church needing to apologize.
 
2013-02-07 02:49:42 PM
Lutheran pastor = Catholic priest officially allowed to f*ck.
 
2013-02-07 02:51:00 PM

enry: Wife was ELCA before we both went Episcopal.


Mrs. Nuisance's grandfather was a Baptist Lay Deacon.

He would have called you "Whiskeypalians".

CSB-i-L!
 
2013-02-07 02:51:22 PM

Earguy: You know that bumper sticker that says, "God said it, I believe it, that settles it"?

Too many people have taken it too seriously.


http://www.jhuger.com/kissing-hanks-ass
 
2013-02-07 02:51:51 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Have the crazies gotten to the Lutherans, too? They used to be just about coffee and lemon bars. Fark religion.


Key words: Missouri Synod.  Anything with "MIssouri" in the name has got to be bad news.
 
2013-02-07 02:52:02 PM
Someone needs to nail some theses on the  Missouri Synod's front door.
 
2013-02-07 02:52:13 PM
fark religion, and all the nutjobs who feel the need to inflict it upon the human race.
 
2013-02-07 02:52:51 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Raised in Missouri Synod. Practicing Deist. 'Nuf Said


How does one practice deism?

"Oh vague, disinterested, disconnected, unknown, possible creator of the universe, please continue to ignore my prayers..."
 
2013-02-07 02:53:06 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: I grew up in an ELCA Lutheran church family and we actually pooled our youth group with a temple and a mosque so we could have enough kids to field a hockey team against the Roman Catholics.


Priorities, I guess.
 
2013-02-07 02:53:31 PM
www.column10.com

He did WHAT?
 
2013-02-07 02:53:34 PM
Not a churchgoer myself, but when did one of the basic tenets of the majority of Chrisianity change?  When did the notion that Christ had no problem with the competition become so popular?  Sure, Christ was fairly tolerant of sinners, but he did insruct them to stop that stuffor suffer dire consequences.  Was there a part where he said there were several paths to heaven? I only remember hearing things like "Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me'." (John 14:6)
 
2013-02-07 02:54:09 PM

Craptastic: ManRay: Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me.

I've always wondered about that commandment. Isn't that Old Testament God admitting that there are other gods out there flying around?


Apparently he was jealous of a Golden Calf.
 
2013-02-07 02:54:35 PM
he may feel he has to apologize to his church...

but i think the rest of us might say THANKS for being there
 
2013-02-07 02:55:25 PM
Add me to the list of reformed LCMS folk that called it before reading the article.
We went ELCA when I was in HS, then my dad went back to MS about a decade ago. Makes me sad to hear him rant about other Lutherans that will share communion with other denominations and ordain women and homos.

/I'm a godless heathen these days
 
2013-02-07 02:55:49 PM

wellreadneck: Not a churchgoer myself, but when did one of the basic tenets of the majority of Chrisianity change? When did the notion that Christ had no problem with the competition become so popular? Sure, Christ was fairly tolerant of sinners, but he did insruct them to stop that stuffor suffer dire consequences. Was there a part where he said there were several paths to heaven? I only remember hearing things like "Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me'." (John 14:6)


All of the "competition" we're discussing here also follows Christ.  Thus Christianity.
 
2013-02-07 02:58:42 PM

Dr Dreidel: As a Catholic friend of mine said recently: "Shiat like this is why people are leaving the Church in droves. The beliefs we can deal with on our own, or through discussions with our priests. The hypocrisies and lack of compassionate behavior evident in the behavior of Church officials - those same things the Church accuses the rest of the world of lacking - are far more off-putting."



Yup. It's the believers themselves who are turning youth away from belief. We have incredible access to information now. It's easy enough now to research how various churches and "christian" people have stood on the wrong side of every worthy struggle throughout history - slavery, segregation, gay rights, frigging heliocentrism, birth control, kiddy diddling, etc.. It's easy to find out about all that stuff now and think, "Wow... so they could be just as wrong on the issues of today too. So how come I'm supposed to think they're somehow special and have more answers then anyone else? Because they say so?"

And then you have prominent christians flagrantly violating the teachings of their own damn "prophet" like they do in this story, and all credibility of the teachings are lost on anyone with an ounce of free thought or skepticism. Even if you still want to believe in the religion itself, you sure won't want to have anything to do with the church.

"In every country and in every age the priest has been hostile to liberty; he is always in allegiance to the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection of his own" - Thomas Jefferson
 
2013-02-07 02:58:51 PM
The thing about these versions of Christianity that I never got is how they deal with the Bible...do they have their own versions in which 90% of what Jesus did and said is redacted to avoid undermining their views?
 
2013-02-07 02:59:30 PM
ahhh, the good old missouri synod.

I was brought up in a Missouri Synod family. I once asked my dad what the difference was and he said they believed in the literal interpretation of the bible. I asked him about some of the more violent parts and crazy rules in Leviticus to which he gave me a long winded explanation about how things can be interpreted differently at different periods of time.
The irony was completely lost on him.
 
2013-02-07 02:59:32 PM
So, should he have killed the infidels instead of praying with them? LUTHER ACKBAR LALALALALALALALA! Is that how it works in the Lutheran church?
 
2013-02-07 02:59:34 PM
"If you had known what  this means, 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice,you would not have condemned the guiltless." --Matthew 12:7

Seems the Lutheran church doesn't read scripture or do what it says, either. No surprise, there.

And people wonder why, though a follower of and believer in Christ, I rarely set foot inside a church and tend to be very careful about using the word Christian to describe myself except when it is simpler because it's the only word people understand. It is because of the church and actions like this: where a man who does what is right has to apologize for it because of the rules and traditions of men.

Church leaders might want to think about not only going back and reading scripture, but actually doing what it says.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." --Ghandi (disputed)
 
2013-02-07 03:00:10 PM

Dr Dreidel: As a Catholic friend of mine said recently: "Shiat like this is why people are leaving the Church in droves. The beliefs we can deal with on our own, or through discussions with our priests. The hypocrisies and lack of compassionate behavior evident in the behavior of Church officials - those same things the Church accuses the rest of the world of lacking - are far more off-putting."


Is your friend Martin Luther (name sake of Lutherans), because he nailed a note to a church door that pretty much boiled down to this which is kind of ironic.
 
2013-02-07 03:00:29 PM

SomethingToDo: * Reads Wikipedia *
Ah. I see. Not so much Lutherans as a German variation on the whole American feral Baptist thing.


Yay America, it's like we have a perennial neurotic/religious complex that won't go away.  Probably started with the "abolish slavery" movement, where the churches got on the right side, which happened to be the winning side.  Next came the swagger - where's the next demon to eradicate?  Non-WASP Immigration (enact limits).  Demon rum, WCTA was on it (check).  Demon pot, KKK was on it (check).  (okay, uncheck the rum, too much crime.)  No more demons?  Radar stays up ready to hit anything new, like racial equal rights, or women's equal rights, or gay equal rights....

/got to build Jerusalem in this green and pleasant land in 26 minutes
//seriously though, what part of "It is finished!" went over our heads?
 
2013-02-07 03:01:12 PM

Deucednuisance: rufus-t-firefly: SKY CAKE!

Amusing, but it's becoming more and more clear that the impetus for civilization was neither cake, nor religion.

It was beer:

http://www.livescience.com/25855-stone-age-beer-brewery-discovered.h tm l

NickBush24: TL;DR: Moron leader of group dedicated to an invisible sky daddy throws a hissy fit because one of the members attended meeting with people who believe in other invisible sky daddies.

/amidoingitright?

More like "meeting with people who believe in the exact same invisible sky daddy, but their fan club has slightly different by-laws".


sooo youre saying the cake is a lie?
 
2013-02-07 03:01:56 PM
I grew up Missouri Synod, even went to a LCMS school K-8th grade. I switched to the ELCA in college because the LCMS was too conservative. I particularly didn't like their stance on women in the church - no leadership roles so no female pastors, church presidents etc.
 
2013-02-07 03:02:01 PM
On the subject of Lutheran lunatics, there's a sect of the Lutheran Church of Australia that seems to be closer to these Synod types than anything. I couldn't tell you the exact name of their denomination, but in the small rural area I grew up in, the Lutherans were Bible-thumping, abstinence-only, don't-say-gay Young Earth creationists. Co-faith worship wasn't expressly forbidden, but it was generally frowned upon.

/Wasn't part of the church, but my school was.
 
2013-02-07 03:02:41 PM

Craptastic: ManRay: Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me.

I've always wondered about that commandment. Isn't that Old Testament God admitting that there are other gods out there flying around?


You know how in English, the word "god" can mean "a thing people worship" or it can mean "a deity, like the one claimed by the Abrahamic faiths"?

Like that. "Thou shalt not place an intermediary between thyselves and ME." Kind of like they would soon do with the Golden Calf (reading the story, the people were concerned they had lost Moses, so they built a thing that could act as intermediary, as Mo had).

// in Judaism, anyway
// the same way the text refers to "the strange gods" of other faiths
// I have heard opinions state that there are other "powers" in the cosmos; and we should recognize that these powers are not "before" god, they act according to his will as well
// but what do I know, I'm one of those "armchair apatheists" that only spent 16 years in religious schools
 
2013-02-07 03:02:45 PM

PirateKing: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Raised in Missouri Synod. Practicing Deist. 'Nuf Said

How does one practice deism?

"Oh vague, disinterested, disconnected, unknown, possible creator of the universe, please continue to ignore my prayers..."



+1, and you owe my company a new keyboard.
 
2013-02-07 03:03:33 PM

Anderson's Pooper: mrmyxolodian: tallguywithglasseson: Voiceofreason01: Yep, called it: Missouri Synod

Was going to say, either Missouri or Wisconsin.

I thought WELS. I know they have similar rules.
My wife is a recovering member of that church. Sad, sad stuff they indoctrinate them with,

I grew up LC-MS and am now ELCA.  I knew it was LC-MS without reading it because the WSLC wouldn't have gone in the first place. The only Wisconsin Synod thing I've ever been to was a fire and brimstone wedding.  Yeah, read that again, fire and brimstone wedding.

/The Lutheran church, where "take drink ye all of it" means chug it!!


...How the hell do you do a 'fire and brimstone wedding'?
 
2013-02-07 03:03:42 PM

ManRay: Craptastic: ManRay: Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me.

I've always wondered about that commandment. Isn't that Old Testament God admitting that there are other gods out there flying around?

Apparently he was jealous of a Golden Calf.


And there lies the problem. Apparently god has a lot of issues. From sending his only son to death (what, he forgot to take out the trash), his only son, mind you, that was conceived via "spiritual" rape. He's a jealous god, an angry god, but he loves you. But don't fark him over or he'll fark you back. He works in mysterious ways, oh yes he does. OH OH! My favorite of you "christians": person dies in a hospital during surgery, doctor's fault. Said person lives, it's a miracle and it was god's will for him to survive. yearh, fark religion.
 
2013-02-07 03:04:44 PM
FTA: "There is sometimes a real tension between wanting to bear witness to Christ and at the same time avoiding situations which may give the impression that our differences with respect to who God is, who Jesus is, how he deals with us, and how we get to heaven, really don't matter in the end," Harrison wrote.

So, basically he's apologizing for behaving in a reasonable, genial manner, and generally being a decent human being.

Nifty.

ct.fra.bz

You know, people wonder why we faithless waggle eyebrows at the claims that the religious have the market cornered on human decency.

To be clear: This would be why.
 
2013-02-07 03:05:06 PM

Onkel Buck: But we are still cool with the way Sharia torments women right?


This isn't a my team vs your team" thing.
 
2013-02-07 03:05:28 PM
The Wisconsin Synod - and apparently still Missouri - don't do the 'public prayer' thing because they feel it shows approval on what is taught, believed, or practiced by the other demoninations. It isn't that they feel they are 'better' or that anyone else isn't welcome in a WELS church - and that includes gay people.They just haven't changed the beliefs the synod was founded on like many other demoninations have through the years.

/The more you know.....
 
2013-02-07 03:05:34 PM

lennavan: wellreadneck: Not a churchgoer myself, but when did one of the basic tenets of the majority of Chrisianity change? When did the notion that Christ had no problem with the competition become so popular? Sure, Christ was fairly tolerant of sinners, but he did insruct them to stop that stuffor suffer dire consequences. Was there a part where he said there were several paths to heaven? I only remember hearing things like "Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me'." (John 14:6)

All of the "competition" we're discussing here also follows Christ.  Thus Christianity.


So, when the article says "interfaith", they just mean several flavors of Christianity?
 
2013-02-07 03:06:08 PM

lennavan: All of the "competition" we're discussing here also follows Christ. Thus Christianity.


"The December prayer vigil was attended by President Barack Obama, leaders from Christian, Muslim and Jewish faiths"

On the other hand, had he been praying alongside Fred Phelps I'm sure no apology would have been required.
 
2013-02-07 03:06:31 PM

lennavan: All of the "competition" we're discussing here also follows Christ.


They followed him right into Costco, in fact.
 
2013-02-07 03:07:21 PM
Jesus does hate when others pray to false Gods. In fact, to clarify, Gods word says:

Isaiah 43:10
"You are my witnesses," declares the Lord, "and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.

Acts 4:12
And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

1 Corinthians 8:6
Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Hosea 13:4
Yet I [am] the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for [there is] no saviour beside me.

Exodus 20:3
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
 
2013-02-07 03:07:55 PM

Some of the little ones murdered at Sandy Hook had not yet received Jesus Christ as their savior. Now they're in hell with Hitler.

 wallpaper.knowing-jesus.com
"You're headed to eternal damnation, my child."

 
2013-02-07 03:08:14 PM

Deucednuisance: More like "meeting with people who believe in the exact same invisible sky daddy, but their fan club has slightly different by-laws".


There are Christians who would vehemently deny that Christians, Muslims, and Jews worship the same god.  I have also encountered Jews who hold this position, and I suspect there are Muslims who would also.  Hell, this guy's Missouri Synod probably does not recognize Catholics as worshiping the same god.
 
2013-02-07 03:08:27 PM

GoodyearPimp: OminousAnonymous: Anybody want to come to my house for Kahlua coffee and "special" lemon bars?  I am starting a new religion where everyone has to be nice to each other.  That's the only rule.

Are we talking cyanide/Jim Jones "special", or chronic/Snoop Lion "special"?


I had assumed it was roofie "special" with an unspoken "Wink wink, nudge nudge" after "be nice to each other".
 
2013-02-07 03:08:59 PM

wellreadneck: lennavan: wellreadneck: Not a churchgoer myself, but when did one of the basic tenets of the majority of Chrisianity change? When did the notion that Christ had no problem with the competition become so popular? Sure, Christ was fairly tolerant of sinners, but he did insruct them to stop that stuffor suffer dire consequences. Was there a part where he said there were several paths to heaven? I only remember hearing things like "Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me'." (John 14:6)

All of the "competition" we're discussing here also follows Christ.  Thus Christianity.

So, when the article says "interfaith", they just mean several flavors of Christianity?


Hmmm, my bad, I was using the context of the posts in the thread, not the article.  But your interpretation is correct, my apologies.
 
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