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(BBC)   PNG woman burned alive for sorcery, file size being larger than 500KB   (bbc.co.uk ) divider line
    More: Scary, Papua New Guinea, provincial police, news style, Port Moresby  
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2013-02-07 11:19:42 AM  
Wow, that seems harsh PNG. What GIFs?
 
2013-02-07 11:21:12 AM  
Isn't this close to Santa Cruz Islands where they've had like 100 5-plus earthquakes in the last few days?
 
2013-02-07 11:23:20 AM  
This is not a repeat of 1692.
 
2013-02-07 11:25:54 AM  
This is just another aspect of religious beliefs.

Religion = Superstition + $$$$$
 
2013-02-07 11:32:28 AM  

Paris1127: Wow, that seems harsh PNG. What GIFs?


Still no answer? BMP.
 
2013-02-07 11:35:27 AM  

Paris1127: Wow, that seems harsh PNG. What GIFs?


I can see this causing a TIFF
 
2013-02-07 11:35:54 AM  

Snarfangel: Paris1127: Wow, that seems harsh PNG. What GIFs?

Still no answer? BMP.


Must have been one hell of a TIFF to go that extreme.
 
2013-02-07 11:36:34 AM  
* grr * Pavia_Resistance !
 
2013-02-07 11:41:31 AM  
I guess she PICT the wrong day to take up sorcery.
 
2013-02-07 11:48:58 AM  
That's so RAW
 
2013-02-07 11:49:58 AM  
We only use hellfire missiles on wedding and funerals for not being "democratic." Burning? That is pretty savage.

\ We are civilized.
 
2013-02-07 11:58:05 AM  
Better burn MP4 they cast a spell on you.
 
2013-02-07 11:58:40 AM  
They're just a bunch of SVGs
 
2013-02-07 12:13:32 PM  
Was she hot?


/so going to hell for this
 
2013-02-07 12:29:22 PM  
And friends wonder why I'm such a staunch proponent of skepticism. "Oh, let them have their beliefs. What's the harm?" Well here ya go. THIS is the harm.
 
2013-02-07 12:29:59 PM  
Joke's on them, now they're going to have to deal with a pissed off ghost.

www.indiewire.com
 
2013-02-07 12:35:46 PM  

Police and firefighters were unable to intervene, the paper said.
The Post Courier newspaper said they had been outnumbered by the crowd and chased away. Both newspapers published graphic photos of the incident on their front pages.


Police have guns?  What you're dealing with is a mob that's murdering someone.  If you don't have the numbers of police to handle the mob without using guns, then use your guns.  This was a murder in process and every member of the mob is guilty.
 
2013-02-07 12:41:49 PM  
FTFA : 'Local Christian bishop David Piso told the National that sorcery-related killings were a growing problem, and urged the government "to come up with a law to stop such practice".'

Umm, so PNG does not have murder laws already???
They do not need new laws, they need proper law enforcement. arrest EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of the crowd, and charge them with 1st degree murder. Have a public trial and get a couple scientists to rip apart their justifications for thinking she was a witch (as almost guranteed it was just someone pointing a finger at an outsider/loner)... then give them whatever the scentence is for murder there. Repeat until it sinks in that you can not just accuse someone of being a witch and expect to get away with it.
 
2013-02-07 12:45:13 PM  
"Lossless format" my ass!
 
2013-02-07 12:50:18 PM  
She must've been PSD when that verdict came down.
 
2013-02-07 01:03:20 PM  
This is not the time for joking, we must show the family members compression.
 
2013-02-07 01:05:00 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: This is just another aspect of religious beliefs.

Religion = Superstition + $$$$$


How much money is there in burning New Guinea women?
 
2013-02-07 01:40:00 PM  

Mouser: Inflatable Rhetoric: This is just another aspect of religious beliefs.

Religion = Superstition + $$$$$

How much money is there in burning New Guinea women?


Don't ask.
 
2013-02-07 01:55:33 PM  

MythDragon: This is not the time for joking, we must show the family members compression.


oh zip it will you...
 
2013-02-07 02:16:14 PM  

sjmcc13: FTFA : 'Local Christian bishop David Piso told the National that sorcery-related killings were a growing problem, and urged the government "to come up with a law to stop such practice".'

Umm, so PNG does not have murder laws already???
They do not need new laws, they need proper law enforcement. arrest EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of the crowd, and charge them with 1st degree murder. Have a public trial and get a couple scientists to rip apart their justifications for thinking she was a witch (as almost guranteed it was just someone pointing a finger at an outsider/loner)... then give them whatever the scentence is for murder there. Repeat until it sinks in that you can not just accuse someone of being a witch and expect to get away with it.



According to another article: In 1971, the country introduced a Sorcery Act to criminalise the practice. But PNG's law reform commission recently proposed to repeal it after a rise in attacks on people thought to practise black magic.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/1252822/ 1/ .html

Just gives a bit more insight as to why the public officials may not have been too pushy about helping the poor girl.  Seems Sorcery is considered a fact there and who would want to help a child murderer anyway?  (from that POV)
 
2013-02-07 02:18:49 PM  
Local Christian Bishops tend to teach that the devil's magic can kill people.  Stop teaching people that Sky Wizards are real and that sky wizards think women are lesser beings and you might come up with a way to stop such practice.
 
2013-02-07 02:22:51 PM  
If she weighed as much as a duck, then it's a fair cop.
 
2013-02-07 02:26:27 PM  

WhoGAS: According to another article: In 1971, the country introduced a Sorcery Act to criminalise the practice. But PNG's law reform commission recently proposed to repeal it after a rise in attacks on people thought to practise black magic.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/1252822/ 1/ .html

Just gives a bit more insight as to why the public officials may not have been too pushy about helping the poor girl.  Seems Sorcery is considered a fact there and who would want to help a child murderer anyway?  (from that POV)


That just makes it a matter for Law Enforcement, not Lynch Mobs.
 
2013-02-07 02:36:41 PM  
It's always horrible when innocents are taken as TARGAs for superstitious beliefs.
 
2013-02-07 02:43:17 PM  

Mouser: How much money is there in burning New Guinea women?


Reach into one and find out?


Though, more seriously, the article bore out the problem pretty succinctly right here:

Police and firefighters were unable to intervene, the paper said.
The Post Courier newspaper said they had been outnumbered by the crowd and chased away.


Superstition let run rampant doesn't help, but if you can't effectively enforce law and order, well, any excuse for murder is pretty much going to win out.
 
2013-02-07 02:45:52 PM  

sjmcc13: FTFA : 'Local Christian bishop David Piso told the National that sorcery-related killings were a growing problem, and urged the government "to come up with a law to stop such practice".'

Umm, so PNG does not have murder laws already???
They do not need new laws, they need proper law enforcement. arrest EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of the crowd, and charge them with 1st degree murder. Have a public trial and get a couple scientists to rip apart their justifications for thinking she was a witch (as almost guranteed it was just someone pointing a finger at an outsider/loner)... then give them whatever the scentence is for murder there. Repeat until it sinks in that you can not just accuse someone of being a witch and expect to get away with it.



You know how I know you are a witch?

WITCH

/ meh
 
2013-02-07 02:56:42 PM  
sjmcc13:

That just makes it a matter for Law Enforcement, not Lynch Mobs.

I agree.

My point was that because it seems the prevalent mindset, that sorcery is true and real even at the topmost levels of their government, and, therefore, that is why the Law Enforcement did not fight as hard as they could have to try to save the girl.

Regardless as to how you and I feel, think or believe based on how we grew up and what our environment taught us to be right, it seems to me that the Law Enforcement in this case was simply allowing the mob justice to play out because they may actually believe the same as the mob.

But, of course, that's my opinion and, in the scheme of things, right or wrong, it doesn't matter because there is still a young woman laying dead.  That will never change.
 
2013-02-07 03:05:21 PM  
I know some Dutch missionaries working there and that happens quite frequently.  Say what you want about Christians but we usually do not burn people...

/They send themselves to, well, you know.....
 
2013-02-07 03:11:31 PM  

Lee451: I know some Dutch missionaries working there and that happens quite frequently.  Say what you want about Christians but we usually do not burn people...

/They send themselves to, well, you know.....


Um, have you looked at their demographics? it is mostly Christian. Just to much uneducated people who do not accept things.
 
2013-02-07 03:30:44 PM  
I believe in magic(tm) and in karma(karma as a teacher/way toward God (Gods act/justice)) - not so often used as a punishment.

Anyway, how can they prove its magic without asking the most supreme / God / Holy Spirit / etc ?

1 John 3:15 (in basic english): ".. and you may be certain that no taker of life has eternal life in him."

and even if they were not true christians, the bible says in Deut 32:35 (KJV):
"
To me belongeth vengeance and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste."

so, they were prob. unsaved(false) and clueless/blind about even the basics.
 
2013-02-07 04:15:42 PM  
They are definitely tough on crime there.
 
2013-02-07 05:47:06 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: This is just another aspect of religious beliefs.

Religion = Superstition + $$$$$


Do you ever say ANYTHING other than "Durrrr, religion BAD!"?
 
2013-02-07 07:19:17 PM  

socoloco: Burning? That is pretty savage.


Given only two choices, I'd rather be exploded than burned.

Also, at least in theory, we only bomb people that we cannot apprehend. I know that isn't always actually what happens, and that's a genuine problem, but blowing up someone that would shoot at us if we stopped by to arrest them is not not exactly analogous to detaining and then immolating an unarmed person in public with the support of that person's peers.

/ I'm against both bombings and burnings, but I'm also against bad analogies
 
2013-02-08 09:58:14 AM  
was her name PAM?
 
2013-02-08 10:17:58 AM  

harbingerofdoom: was her name PAM?


Of course not, The charges would never stick.
 
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