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(Huffington Post)   Will the show be as funny and topical without Dan Harmon? Will Annie's Boobs show us Annie's boobs? Will Chevy Chase's character get the Charlie Harper treatment? It's FINALLY back, for real -- "Community", Season 4 premiere, 8 PM EST, NBC   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 92
    More: PSA, Dan Harmon, NBC, Tricia Helfer, Alison Brie, Chevy Chase, Pierce Hawthorne, showrunner, Joel McHale  
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2013-02-07 11:37:19 PM
Those of you who hate Chang probably aren't going to be too happy with this season. According to an interview with the new show-runners, he'll have an arc throughout the season, during which he will find some "redemption." That actor has become somewhat famous with the Hangover franchise and other appearances, so there's no way they're getting rid of him. I personally don't think he's that bad. The guy I'm thrilled they're getting rid of is Pierce, although he'll be in most of this new season. It's too bad they didn't get rid of Chase last year and found a way to keep Harmon, but it sounds like he was an out-of-control "artist" who didn't know how to deal with people who are there to make money.
 
2013-02-07 11:48:07 PM
The show FELT like Happy Endings, not Community - the filming and direction, the timing and delivery. But the characters didn't feel altered, it got some good laughs from me, and for people saying the Dean thing was over the top... have you been watching Community? I enjoyed it, and I'll remain cautiously optimistic; if it stays at this level, it'll be an entertaining, but not great, last season, and if it gets worse, well, I get an extra half hour per week.
 
2013-02-08 12:10:47 AM

Supes: It won't be the same. Wake me up when  Rick & Morty premieres this fall.


Thanks, Dan.
 
2013-02-08 12:14:16 AM
i liked it a lot.  remember how the show has unique themes for EVERY EPISODE.  Yeah this one is different because they're all different.
 
2013-02-08 12:15:27 AM

SymphonyXtasy: The show FELT like Happy Endings, not Community...


Can't say I agree with this at all, but you did get me thinking... on paper they do have a lot in common, but I can't say I've ever picked up on any actual similarities.
 
2013-02-08 12:16:40 AM
I liked it. Yeah, there was way too much going on. Subplots to subplots. Maybe should've stuck to the Hunger Deans with a minor Annie/Shirley prank subplot. Community Babies freaked me out. But mostly I'm just glad it's back.
 
2013-02-08 12:22:41 AM

Di Atribe: I liked it. Yeah, there was way too much going on. Subplots to subplots. Maybe should've stuck to the Hunger Deans with a minor Annie/Shirley prank subplot. Community Babies freaked me out. But mostly I'm just glad it's back.


I liked the inception theme, subplots of subplots, prank within a prank, happy place in a happy place.
 
2013-02-08 12:30:22 AM
It's too disjointed. They should've done the sitcom episode, hunger games episode or fountain wish episode. Not all 3.
 
2013-02-08 12:50:19 AM

thecpt: I liked the inception theme, subplots of subplots, prank within a prank, happy place in a happy place.


Ohmygod, we got Inceptioned!
 
2013-02-08 12:55:01 AM

Di Atribe: thecpt: I liked the inception theme, subplots of subplots, prank within a prank, happy place in a happy place.

Ohmygod, we got Inceptioned!


Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaam.
 
2013-02-08 01:09:32 AM

thecpt: Di Atribe: I liked it. Yeah, there was way too much going on. Subplots to subplots. Maybe should've stuck to the Hunger Deans with a minor Annie/Shirley prank subplot. Community Babies freaked me out. But mostly I'm just glad it's back.

I liked the inception theme, subplots of subplots, prank within a prank, happy place in a happy place.


So just like Inception, it replaces actual depth and organic plot flow for forced and superficial complexity for the sake of complexity?
 
2013-02-08 01:39:43 AM
Yeah, not enough of Annie's Boobs (the monkey, or otherwise) and not the best dialog.  Dodgy, uninspired plot... but you know what?  It wasn't Two and a Half Men or Big Bang or Broke Girls or any of a dozen other worse-all-the-time shows.  It only has a few more episodes left and I'll watch them and hope for another Fistful of Paintballs or Remedial Chaos Theory before it goes to Arrested Development Heaven.
 
2013-02-08 02:15:11 AM

The "Don't ask. Don't tell." joke was the worst joke in the history of the show.  I actually cringed.  And it ends the main plot with the Dean saying, "I don't know why I was so worried about change!" Really? That's about as subtle as a 2 x 4 to the face, and corny, to boot.


Andy Greenwald's review was spot on.  The characters have been "Stepfordized.". A show that once demanded your full attention for all it's brilliant little details is now broad, mild entertainment you can passively watch while you play on your iPad.


Here's the review I'm referring to


http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8919980/andy-greenwald-return-n bc- community


The ending was especially strong:



"Now it's a show about playing out the string and meeting corporate quotas. It's decent ventriloquism; it's passable karaoke. In its final-- and they will be final--episodes, Community isn't terrible. It's just terribly pointless. It turns out that the darkest timeline isn't the one in which Pierce is shot or Jeff loses his arm. It's the one where nothing bad happens at all."
 
2013-02-08 02:37:34 AM
The pacing was off, the writing was sloppy, the audio mix sounded bad on my not-so-state-of-the-art setup, and overall it felt like they decided to make an episode based on a fanfic script.  Hopefully it's not a sign of things to come, but it wasn't what I was hoping for.
 
2013-02-08 04:29:29 AM
What would be great is if that the show gets renewed for a few seasons now that Chevy is out.

And have Bill Murray come in and replace him as the straight guy.

/Bill Ghostbusting-ass Murray
//Fletch sucked and I LIKE bad movies
///boobies
 
2013-02-08 04:32:42 AM
Christ, how many Fark handles does Dan Harmon have anyway?
 
2013-02-08 04:32:52 AM
  It seemed a bit too rapid fire without sounding organic. It was like the time Pierce hired the joke writers so he could be funny at movie night.
 
2013-02-08 04:39:31 AM
Yeah this ep was clunky. But it was still nice to see Troy, Abed, Annie's rack and the gang again. They were trying too hard to please the fans though.

I know the critics and internet have been on a torches and pitchforks mentality since Harmon got the boot but im willing to wait till the season in swing to see how it goes.
 
2013-02-08 05:15:09 AM
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2013-02-08 08:52:02 AM

ItchyMcDoogle: Yeah this ep was clunky. But it was still nice to see Troy, Abed, Annie's rack and the gang again. They were trying too hard to please the fans though.

I know the critics and internet have been on a torches and pitchforks mentality since Harmon got the boot but im willing to wait till the season in swing to see how it goes.


My thoughts exactly.
 
2013-02-08 09:15:11 AM

Hugh2d2: It's like a spoof of Community... seems... off...


Very good description. I think I'm over it.
 
2013-02-08 09:16:38 AM
No wonder NBC didn't want anybody seeing this!
 
2013-02-08 09:43:55 AM
Very funny and clever, which I've come to expect from Community.

Lots of fun. I hope it gets the viewership it deserves.
 
2013-02-08 10:00:16 AM
I thought Abed TV was making fun of The Big Bang Theory.  With the laugh track and throw away gags and all.  Maybe he was just playing on sitcom tropes though
 
2013-02-08 10:21:21 AM
It's almost as if every sitcom ever, in the history of everything, "speeds up" and gets more wacky/zany/loud as time goes on.
 
2013-02-08 10:22:46 AM
I think the whole episode was *supposed* to be off, and they're just messing with us. The key is in Annie's "prank". Doesn't the whole episode seem like the stapler was moved over an inch? I think they're trying to be super ultra meta.

I mean, I recoiled from the laugh track, found the whole episode to be lacking in music, everyone felt off, but I bet that next week will be back to normal. So this was just a take off on Big Bang or whatever.
 
2013-02-08 11:02:56 AM

TheGhostofFarkPast: It's like when Ted McGinley would show up on a show in the 80/90's you knew it was about to be canceled.


There are exceptions to that rule:

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2013-02-08 11:15:00 AM
I thought it was decent. I'm kind of reserving full judgement until the next episode. My only real complaint would be that a full season centered around the show's inevitable ending might get old rather quick. For what it's worth, I'm not convinced Harmon staying on would've prevent a dip in quality.
 
2013-02-08 11:24:32 AM
It wasn't the best episode, but there are usually at least a few "off" episodes per season (the celebrity impersonaters one from last season springs to mind - ugh). I don't really get all of the catastrophizing and hyperbolic statements about how terrible the show is now though.

It's like everyone expects 100% perfection from every episode and acts like its the end of the world if it only achieves 80-90%. Season premieres are always a little off for me with most shows I watch as there is generally too much setting up of arcs to get into anything else.

I really really loved how Abed's anxieties about graduating and what will happen to the group reflected those of the hardcore Community fan who is desperately worried about their show changing or going away. It showed me that the show runners do get it.

Will it be a bit different without Harmon? Yes, but that doesn't mean it's automatically crap.

I think I might just avoid reading reviews for the rest of the season (unless it legit gets terrible - I'm looking at you, Chang) because Community is still my happy place and I want to keep it that way as long as possible.

I dunno, I guess I just like liking things...
 
2013-02-08 11:32:22 AM
HA! TV Nerds.

"It wasn't very good, so.....THIS IS THE END!!!!!"
 
2013-02-08 11:49:05 AM

Brittabot: I don't really get all of the catastrophizing and hyperbolic statements about how terrible the show is now though.


yeah, I would give it more than 1 episode before writing the show off. I thought it was pretty decent for what it was; no worse than some of the episodes in the latter half of season 3.
 
2013-02-08 12:26:09 PM
The whole episode felt off and disjointed, especially when they kept cutting to Abed going into his "happy place." Maybe it's just the new showrunners still trying to get their bearings. It could have done without the "Hunger Deans" subplot, which I felt could have been blown out as a separate episode easily.

For a first episode in a long time, I'd say it felt like being reunited with a significant other that you've been having a long-distance relationship with for the last six months. You're glad they're with you, but there's still that awkward period where you're adjusting to them actually being there. I'm not going to run around like the sky is falling yet.

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2013-02-08 12:33:58 PM

Brittabot: Season premieres are always a little off for me with most shows I watch as there is generally too much setting up of arcs to get into anything else.


All of very much this. There was a lot of stage-setting & that's why it felt like there was way too much going on.


Brittabot: I dunno, I guess I just like liking things...


Me too. I like that.
 
2013-02-08 01:14:20 PM
Naeva: I think the whole episode was *supposed* to be off, and they're just messing with us. The key is in Annie's "prank". Doesn't the whole episode seem like the stapler was moved over an inch? I think they're trying to be super ultra meta.

So basically the entire show was offputting on purpose.  And they wonder why they can't get more viewers to watch?

I mean, I recoiled from the laugh track, found the whole episode to be lacking in music, everyone felt off, but I bet that next week will be back to normal. So this was just a take off on Big Bang or whatever.

Instead of wasting time bashing other TV shows, Community should have spent their time making their own TV show better to watch.
 
2013-02-08 01:20:29 PM

schrodinger: Naeva: I think the whole episode was *supposed* to be off, and they're just messing with us. The key is in Annie's "prank". Doesn't the whole episode seem like the stapler was moved over an inch? I think they're trying to be super ultra meta.

So basically the entire show was offputting on purpose.  And they wonder why they can't get more viewers to watch?

I mean, I recoiled from the laugh track, found the whole episode to be lacking in music, everyone felt off, but I bet that next week will be back to normal. So this was just a take off on Big Bang or whatever.

Instead of wasting time bashing other TV shows, Community should have spent their time making their own TV show better to watch.


No, see, the people who love community are the people who hate anything else that smells like a sitcom.

So they appeal to the primary audience who is so much smarter/funnier/whatever than any plebe.
 
2013-02-08 01:36:40 PM

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Is that her impression of the girl getting eaten by the shark in the opening scene of Jaws?
 
2013-02-08 05:35:53 PM
I enjoyed it a lot, although I will concede that the show didn't *look* like it once did (filming-wise) and that it may have tried to juggle a bit too much at once instead of taking a more focused approach.

Still, I loved all the slaps at The Big Bang Theory.  Also, Fred Willard out of absolutely farkin' nowhere!


Champion of the Sun: I thought Abed TV was making fun of The Big Bang Theory.


Yeah, I thought that was the whole point of those animated transitions as we go from reality to Abed TV.  They stuck it to Glee before, so I assume that they were doing likewise with TBBT.

Which is fine, because I think that show is terrible.  (Mileages may vary.)
 
2013-02-08 05:39:06 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: I enjoyed it a lot, although I will concede that the show didn't *look* like it once did (filming-wise) and that it may have tried to juggle a bit too much at once instead of taking a more focused approach.

Still, I loved all the slaps at The Big Bang Theory.  Also, Fred Willard out of absolutely farkin' nowhere!


Champion of the Sun: I thought Abed TV was making fun of The Big Bang Theory.

Yeah, I thought that was the whole point of those animated transitions as we go from reality to Abed TV.  They stuck it to Glee before, so I assume that they were doing likewise with TBBT.

Which is fine, because I think that show is terrible.  (Mileages may vary.)


Was Willard a slap at Chevy Chase? His less-needy replacement?
 
2013-02-08 05:41:35 PM

Cletus C.: Was Willard a slap at Chevy Chase? His less-needy replacement?


Oh, definitely.

That, and a slap at the trope in which shows may replace an actor but decide to keep the character and just assume that no one cares (a la Bewitched).
 
2013-02-08 06:08:56 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: I enjoyed it a lot, although I will concede that the show didn't *look* like it once did (filming-wise) and that it may have tried to juggle a bit too much at once instead of taking a more focused approach.

Still, I loved all the slaps at The Big Bang Theory.  Also, Fred Willard out of absolutely farkin' nowhere!


Champion of the Sun: I thought Abed TV was making fun of The Big Bang Theory.

Yeah, I thought that was the whole point of those animated transitions as we go from reality to Abed TV.  They stuck it to Glee before, so I assume that they were doing likewise with TBBT.

Which is fine, because I think that show is terrible.  (Mileages may vary.)


You know, I listened to Yvette Nicole Brown on nerdist the other day and I don't think there's nearly as much malice or content behind these jabs as fans think; especially the ones who really dislike TBBT and Glee -- I happen to like TBBT but think Glee is dreadful.

The genius of Community is that it both sounds off the glaring flaws of the things it pokes fun at in a surprisingly articulate and accurate way but is also self-reflective by reminding itself that it shouldn't be hating on things and that doing so says much more about your own character than it does about your target. This is personified most often in Jeff's character but often is symbolized by the group's groupthink as well.

It's far less a message of ridicule and more of a hybrid of homage and parody of traditional TV formats. It no more or less made fun of TBBT than it did Law and Order. But for some reason, nobody read the Law and Order episode as "OMG, they totally pointed out how Law and Order sucks!".
 
2013-02-08 06:09:53 PM
s/content/contempt/

Brain no work good
 
2013-02-08 07:36:33 PM
I just watched it, it wasn't so bad.
 
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